All right, we're live. Kuba, how are you sir? Doing great today. We just got finished recording another, an episode of a different podcast and now into another podcast, the A for Batching, right? Here we go, Agency Breakthrough. So welcome aboard. You're listening in a little conversation Kuba and I are having. This is very much not rehearsed as you can probably tell already. Kuba, let's give the backstory maybe like what is Agency Breakthrough? So Agency Breakthrough
is a new podcast we're starting in cooperation with ClickUp. And me and Gray here will be hosting. Hi, I'm Jakub, I'm Kuba Krajcer, head of marketing at ZenPilot. And this is Gray, co-founder at ZenPilot. Gray, say hi. That's me. Okay, so what we're trying to do here is
to start a new podcast for agencies, because that's never been done before. And... try and tell the stories of the breakthroughs that agencies have had and to help our listeners learn from that and to kind of, okay, I've got like a whole thing written out about this, can I just read the official show intro? Can you do it and I'll give you your sarcastic undertones, okay? Okay, so, welcome to Agency Breakthrough where we bring you real gritty stories of agency operators
who found the path to get past the plateau. Green use or plateau? Oh yeah, thank you. And the alliteration, have you noticed? Yeah. Ask, get past the plateau. Love it. Yeah, I love it. I love it because I wrote it. Whether it's hitting on a playbook for massive growth, scaling profit margins or finding a way to have an agency and a life, we're here to share how they achieved it and laugh a little along the way. I love how we kind of signal that this is going to
be funny. Please laugh. Please, please. We beg you. We'll make it put the loud track in. Yeah. Presented by Zenpilot and ClickUp and your hosts today are Jakub Graizard and Gray McKenzie and just because I mean I put myself first and you second, Gray. Excellent. Well, well written. I'm super excited for this. I mean, this all kind of stems from a conversation that Gaurav
Agarwal who leads growth at ClickUp and I had we were together in San Diego. at the beginning of February and just talking about, hey, here's what we're doing in terms of marketing, here's where you guys are going and how do we, you know, one of, so ClickUp's got, do you know about the Core 4 at ClickUp? The Core 4? No, you should enlighten me about that. So they've got these Core 4 market segments, who they, who kind of their biggest segments of customers
are and where their focus goes. And so, the agencies are one of the largest ones. If you just looked at logos, number of unique companies. Probably the largest. I actually don't know if that's true today. Let's say that it's true. We'll just make it up. It's only presented by ClickUp as well. So their endorsement is on this. I don't know if that's true. I would assume by head count that's not accurate or that it would not be the largest just because
most agencies are, you know, in SMB space. So it's not the big enterprise clients where they've had a ton of growth here. But anyways, we were comparing notes. And we're like, hey, we should produce some content together and we should do, like we're trying to target the agencies who are focused on streamlining their ops and have a heavy interest in ClickUp as a go-to
platform from a technology perspective. And they want more thought leadership so they pick the wrong people but basically folks who have an inside scoop into agencies which is the world that we've swum in, the world, the sea that we've swum in, the world that we've lived in. for the last 12 years or whatever. And so anyways, that led to that was the initial spark and you kind of took it and carried the ball from there. What was this experience like getting
to the point where we're actually hitting record and we're in the first show? Well, I remember the key point being actually coming from you. Because, well, we got in touch with ClickUp, right? We thought about what this is going to be and who we want to reach. And we want to reach kind of an agency audience here. What we like to call agency operators. I don't know, at some point, we should have a good piece of content to point you to about defining this
agency operator persona, building towards that. For me, the key moment was when we actually is going to make this podcast different. And that's the idea of this breakthrough that we're going to focus on. So it was a lot of back and forth, a lot of brainstorming between the two of us, and then a lot of feedback about this intro section that you just heard, which I think is like the sixth draft of this or something. So I thought, I'm trying to think of who might
be listening to this, and how far do we go into definitions. But do you think, Ray, before we talk about why this is called agency breakthrough and why the breakthrough is, shall we define? ClickUp, Define, ZenPilot, just you know, the bare basics here so people aren't lost. Yeah. Why not? So, I'll take ClickUp and you can tell. I'll play ClickUp, you play ZenPilot. Hi. Okay. My name is ClickUp. I'm an incredible project management software. I've grown just with supreme
velocity over the last five plus years. This is going like seriously. So, I got to know Zeb. Chris Cunningham, the early team at ClickUp way back like end of 2017, early 2018. And this is coming out of four guys moving out to a house in Palo Alto together and working together. And then to go from that to a thousand people and raising all this money and growing just incredibly fast has been unbelievable to have kind of a, you know, a court side seat to watch
their growth. But ClickUp is... the fastest growing project management platform, they've probably expanded that. I should go look what's on their homepage right now. Sorry, my homepage, I forgot I'm ClickUp. Still says one after a bit small, all your work in place. So, there's all these different names that everyone's coming up with, you know, is it work management, is it productivity software, is it project management? We don't want to just get bundled down out
of the project management space. And so, ClickUp's built out this incredible product obviously that's got tooling around all the common project management stuff. tasks and docs and dashboards
but then around kind of the whiteboards and that's been a huge area of investment. We'll talk about and I think the cool thing about us getting to this from the outside, even though we're producing this with ClickUp is we can kind of be, you know, hey, critical of hey, here's the parts that still need to be improved and need the most attention inside ClickUp
and here's the stuff that we're most excited about on the platform. We're kind of able to call out your school things that other tools have done so we'll talk about some of those later on. But that's That's ClickUp in a nutshell. What is ZenPilot? OK, so I mean, first of all, to put you all at ease, the podcast here is not going to be about ClickUp. Just we're working hand in hand to produce it. And I'm happy to share my own story of how it happened upon
ClickUp maybe later on or in a different episode. What is ZenPilot? Hello, I am ZenPilot. And I saw and previously I wanted to create my own project management software called DoInbound. And then. I realized that what agencies have a problem with primarily is not the tool itself,
but the process and the people that are using the tool. So in order to kind of make that work, I, ZenPilot, decided on the best project management tool for agencies and at the time decided that is ClickUp and just decided to be the best team when it comes to implementing ClickUp for agencies and helping them get the most out of this tool and make it do things
that you wouldn't have thought. possible with ClickUp. Why thank you. And I have helped over 2,700 agencies and counting to just streamline their operations in ClickUp and get more visibility, more productivity, more done faster, and all that good stuff. How did I do? That's amazing. First of all, I love that you take advantage of me so well. And great job. Or we're gonna go. Okay, we're dropping the personas. This is getting too confusing.
That's right. All right, Kuba. Okay. Why agency breakthrough? Wow, you're asking me? Well, okay. So, here's how I am interpreting it. And kind of from what you imparted on me from this idea, which I want to point to you as the person that first said the words agency breakthrough, you know, all responsibility rests on you here. Why agency breakthrough? Because sometimes
what you need is that breakthrough moment that changes everything. The moment when you change one thing and it changes everything is the way I'm trying to phrase it consistently and failing. So what I mean here is the moment when you find the lever that you can pull that just gives you outsized results or just the one framework or the one mindset or whatever change, you know, sometimes it might be higher. Sometimes it might be kind of refocused to saying, going
broader, going narrower. The thing that you do that just changes your agency for the better, for good, and in a huge way. We want to tell those stories to inspire you, dear listeners, to find your own breakthrough moment and your breakthrough moment is not going to be the same as our guests probably. It's not about, oh, they focus on PPC, so we should focus on PPC or whichever, you know. But just to share kind of the thinking behind what made this
breakthrough possible so that you can have this thinking too. And you can also be on the lookout for... the levers that you can pull and you know, what you can take advantage of in your unique situation to have your breakthrough as well. So, we're telling these stories so you
can have your breakthrough. Does that sound about accurate? That's right. So, one of my breakthrough moments personally is our family started doing this thing where we do special time is what we call it and it's one-on-one time, my wife or I, one of us will take one of the four kids and we'll go on a quick date. and every Thursday morning. So, we rotate through, we have four kids. So, every eight weeks each kid gets to go with my wife and with me one
time. So, my daughter Laurel and I went to the library because she is an avid reader. She's eight years old and we were sitting in the library. She was reading a series of books. She was on the third and the fourth books and I was doodling on my sketch pad and I wrote down agency breakthrough and that's where The idea kind of started as hey, there's all these agency
podcasts. If you want to know a podcast, if you want to listen to a podcast about agency growth or how to market or how to hire or how to do ops or whatever else or you want to hear yet another the you know, a thousandth agency owner interview just kind of talking about the general story and I went to college and then I accidentally started an agency and then this happened and that happened and now here I am 20 years later and I've got a 50 person
team. That stuff's all out there. There's plenty of that. What I want here is I want kind of the sweetened condensed version of hey, here's a meaty problem that I was stuck on and we were bumping our heads and we were scraping our elbows against them while trying to solve this and eventually we found something that worked really well and I want you to be able to take that as motivation and inspiration and I also want it to be practical application
of how do I learn from that and some of these are going to be extremely applicable to your situation. You're gonna say, yes, I should do what Dean and Ryan Atworth did or I should do what Marcus at Impact did or I should do what Michael and Nicole at Bojo Media Labs did or whatever those examples are, you know, I can go do that thing. And then part of this
is just, hey, it's just fun to hear other people's stories. The good is exciting. The bad is what gives it all the context and it's the fun and the ability to kind of, hey, we're all wallowing through this together and in it together. So, I'm super excited to be hosting this with you, Kuba, and running it together. Can we talk about the three pieces, like three core pieces of
the show structure real quickly? Yeah, yeah. You're kind of leading to that, right? So, the breakthrough kind of the storytelling segment, let's say that's gonna be the middle of it and- for you to be able to contextualize the story, the first segment is gonna be, I mean, we're experimenting with various approaches here. Maybe we'll talk a little bit first between the two of us before we bring the guest on. But once the guest is on, we'll first ask about
kind of the context, you know, what is the scale of the agency? What are the numbers that they're willing to share just so you understand whether you're listening to an agency of 50 or 500 or over many million in revenue so you can kind of contextualize this in your head. So that's act one. what is the scale of this agency and kind of numbers based and just, you know, giving an idea of the scale. Act two, what Gray just discussed, the breakthrough story and you know,
just in a simple chronological way. What was like before? What was the breakthrough? What is life now, you know, after the breakthrough? And also, trying to help you replicate this or replicate the thinking that led to it, how might somebody else have this breakthrough as well and what are the pitfalls kind of along the way? things had happened a different way, this breakthrough never would have happened. So, that's kind of the whole second segment.
And I find it funny that we're discussing this today because also, I mean, one of the parts of our thinking behind this show is that we want to iterate an experiment. So, I wonder if we're going to be kind of laughing at this you know, in a few months time that we thought the show was going to be like this but totally not. But still, the concept is first context,
second breakthrough, third what? We're calling the crisp cornucopia. So just a lot of rapid fire recommendations, you know, I mean, you must have always experienced this and we want to help you as well to find new tools, new sources, new people to follow because everybody has, you know, that secret tool or secret weapon that, you know, they never shared about but actually, you know, there's this agency that we use for 70% of our content, you know, and
they never shared about it. So we want to uncover that as well to help you find the right. people to work with, the right tools to work with and that's gonna be kind of the last part of the show. At the end, maybe some shout outs, maybe some thoughts about who could be the next guest and you know, interview all of the agencies that way. Right. I think our job is really to ask the tough questions that people want to know like those second and third and fourth
order questions, you know, really where the magic comes from. Okay, it's great that you wrote a book. and all of a sudden this stuff pops up. Like how accessible is that to the... Basically, all the reasons as we're like, and this will be easy for me because I'm in that situation, hey, I'm running and owning a professional services firm that's this kind of in the typical size and has aggressive growth goals. But what are all the reasons that we instantly think
this couldn't work for me? Or there's something special about you or your situation or why you're just so lucky? and kind of throw that at guests and figure out okay, like you know, how can we help people really see that as something that is practical for them and it's not it
won't be practical for everyone but dig into that. Yeah. I would be happy if you know, we asked enough questions where our guests to some of them would honestly reply that part was just luck you know, and that's why you can't replicate every breakthrough exactly you know. this I prepared for, you know, that other obstacle I kind of surmounted but this other thing if it had happened, the breakthrough wouldn't have happened and I got lucky. I think, you know,
we have to be honest about these stories too. That's a great framework because I just think of a couple example breakthroughs. We'll probably have I mentioned Worth earlier, Worth e-commerce. We'll probably have Dean Dutro and Dean and Ryan will grab one of them at some point and bring them on the podcast. built an email marketing agency together, email marketing is no longer the cool way to say it, now you gotta call it retention marketing agency. So, email and SMS
and then whatever else that expands to. The names all change to this stuff about every 18 months or so. So, you gotta make sure that you're on the cutting edge of that. But their big breakthrough was building the growth side. of the business. So, originally, a ton of the work came from Upwork and they built a really cool mechanism for taking Upwork clients. I've seen very few agencies do this but take Upwork clients through a small, very clearly scoped
project and then convert them into a monthly retainer. And typically, Upwork fails because you've got extremely budget, people are there to find a discount from 90% of Upwork customers and it's really hard to turn them from being for the I'm here competing on cost to okay, now I'm... interested in quality and I want to work with you long term at a really profitable
rate for an agency. But they had a model for doing that, layered in outbound and wound up exiting and selling their agency just a couple years later at over a 7x multiple on EBITDA
which is unusual as well for kind of the early stage agencies. I love the beginning of their breakthrough because the piece that is harder to replicate is they were one of the first ones to really gain traction and grow pretty big and so their exit was at a point where the market was heating up and I'd be curious to hear, you know, hey, if someone else builds the exact same looking business today, do they get some kind of multiple on an exit and an
exit too that in their case they sold the smart bud but does someone else, are those opportunities the same? Are they better? Are they not? I don't know. Yeah, when you boil it down, all of these moves that you're making, they're an investment and to get a return on an investment, you have to time the market correctly, right? So, I do wonder what the guests are gonna say about that as well. Which, so we've already got kind of the first batch and we'll probably batch
release the first set of episodes. Got our first handful of guests booked. Who are you most excited about? Are the most excited about Marcus? Share it then. I'm gonna clip this and send this to everyone else by the way who don't know. Sorry, Gustav, can you say it again? I am the most excited about Marcus Sheridan of They Ask You Answer fame and from Impact. I don't know what to say here. I mean, Marcus's book influenced me when I was a young marketer. I mean, still
am by a lot of metrics, right? But you know, at the beginning of my marketing journey, I followed that book like gospel and like having an opportunity to interview him on the show is just such a treat. I love it how you didn't even give me a chance to be cool with Marcus but you already introduced me via email as the resident fanboy but it's like I would have gone that route anyway. I couldn't sleep when I got the email where he said yes so, yes.
So we're interviewing Marcus and that's the person that I'm definitely most excited about and he's like also like a consummate public speaker, you know. I'm so passionate about public speaking. I did Toastmasters for a time and I just love to get on stage so just having a chance to interact with somebody who is like... so much further on this path and doing keynotes and all these workshops, everything. Just love everything about that and I can't wait to record
that. Adam I had lunch two weeks ago, this rarely happens to me because we're all remote and we serve agencies all over the world. But I had lunch with a client two weeks ago and so, we're talking about kind of the whole business. We spent some time on ops and you know, what
we're doing on top of ClickUp which is super exciting for them. And then we were talking about marketing and how they were growing and it's mostly referral based but we're really leaning into content marketing and I specifically really like this book called They Ask You To Answer by this guy named Marcus and I was like, oh, tell me more. And so, I didn't want to,
you know, you just kill the conversation if you're like, you mean my friend Marcus? And it was so cool to hear that in the wild, like here's someone else, we've never talked about this stuff before, I've never made a recommendation. and is reading that. So, I'm super excited
to have Marcus and dig into his breakthrough moment as well. Maybe what we could do is we could just spend a couple minutes like one of the things that I like throwing at people, you said Chris Cornucopia and I was laughing but it's like, what are some of the recommendations that folks have? Maybe we could dig into some tool recommendations. Are you up for that? Yeah, definitely. I've got some stuff listed. Mine are not necessarily tools. I've got a
course slash book slash podcast and a book slash course. But yes, let's talk tools and other recommendations stuff you can take away from this. I'm gonna get yours first. But so, I think tool recommendations, not that unusual but doesn't happen on a ton of shows. But something, you know, Tim Ferriss, I think I'll popularize this, book recommendations happens probably even more commonly. Service provider recommendations is one thing that I want to ask people about.
Hey, we're all working in agencies, who do you like for whatever, accounting? Who do you like for? project management consulting, what do you like for sales consulting? Hiring HR, you know, one of the best professional services providers who you worked with. What is, so what do you have to recommend today? Okay, awesome. So the first thing that I have to recommend is building a second brain. I recently did a launch and learn about this at ZenPilot and it's a few things.
the person that kind of came up with the concept and popularized it recently turned it into a book before it was a book. I'm sorry, Tiago, but I feel like the best way to get on this is the free podcast that's still out there called Building a Second Brain. Just I think it's around 10 like bite-sized episodes about the various concepts. But the concept in general is it's a comprehensive note-taking system but... What I like about it is that it leaves a lot
of flexibility and room and a lot of ways you can adapt it to your own needs. So it was a minor breakthrough for me when I started my second brain and I started just collecting all of the resources and thoughts and ideas and sources that I have for various areas of what's in my first brain starting to put that in my second brain. So in a nutshell, the way
it's organized is you've got... and you can adapt it to your own needs, right? But it's about capturing the stuff that you're seeing online or hearing in a podcast or you know, you're reading through a blog and something stands out to you, put that in your second
brain. Map it to an area, do it for three months, six months, a year, all of a sudden when you're supposed to do a talk about like marketing, for example, or leadership, you've got this whole catalog of like pre-screened content or just your own original thoughts that you can put together a presentation about whatever area is near and dear to you. in minutes instead of hours. And you know, in a meta kind of way, when I was supposed to do the workshop about
the second brain idea, I used my notes from my second brain to put that together. So, that's my first recommendation not to go too deep into it, but you should look it up and I recommend you start with the podcast, Building a Second Brain. Second recommendation, I love to find ways to kind of recontextualize what I'm doing day to day to find more motivation, to energize myself. book that's I don't think super popular because I could talk about like Atomic Habits
or you know or maybe Tony Robbins stuff. I could but here's one that maybe you haven't heard about. It's called The Alter Ego Effect by Todd Herman. Now, I am super into like comic books, Marvel, superhero stuff and I have a very active imagination. That's one of the first things that the teacher said when I was at school like he's... cool but sometimes he just gets lost
in his own imagination and we can't snap him out of it. Anyway, the alter ego effect, the concept is that for various contexts in your life, so one context might be work, another might be sports, another might be family, another might be musicianship for example, I play bass so for me that tracks. For each of those, you come up with like a full persona that you embody when you're in that activity. So, when you're in family mode... you imagine yourself as one
kind of character. So, like for one character that I'm kind of following when I need to be kind of tender and caring as I try to be like Keanu Reeves for example, you know. It can be somebody real, it can be somebody fictional, it can be a character of your own invention but just this and there's research to back this up actually when you embody this different persona, you start acting differently, you start having different thoughts and ultimately that
leads to different actions and different. outcomes. So, the alter ego effect, it's a simple enough concept but I do recommend going through the book because it goes into much more detail of how to activate the persona, what kind of enemies the persona is that your alter ego is facing. It's just hugely inspirational and it really gives you this huge boost when you need it the most to activate your alter ego. So, those are my two. I love that. I've never
heard of that before but I wonder if I saw a thread on Twitter here at some point. where someone had a bunch of different alarms set on their phone and each of the names of the alarms was that kind of the personality. Does that come from the book or is that someone's spinoff of the idea? I suspect that- I'm going to work out at 6am so my alarm at 5.45 says
rad dad bod time or whatever identity I want to go adopt. Yeah. The one I saw was like 4.45 was like beast mode and then I think around eight or nine when work starts is like full focus and then the after work it was like best dad ever. Yep. You know? So and yes, these are the kind of you know, personalities that the personas that we need to kind of embody.
Is that related to the book? I don't know. I've seen more than one Twitter thread that seemed very heavily inspired by the alter ego effect but not mentioning, you know, to the point that it kind of quoted the same research. Like I was I even responded to one of those like, hey, you seem to be like... referring to something but not naming it by name. Not cool. But anyway, yes, like people catch on to this and then they share about it as well. I have shared about
this on my own LinkedIn as well and on TikTok. I used to do TikTok for a spell. So, I'm going to bring that back. I need to find this. That's awesome. Well, I have three all minor tools. I'll keep these pretty quick. First one is reflect, reflect.app. It is basically where my second brain winds up. The stuff that's not in, so click up all the team. All the work, all the tasks, even my personal tasks, birthday reminders, that kind of stuff is inside. ClickUp, Reflect
is all my notes. It's got awesome bi-directional linking and is really easily searchable and super low friction to use. A tool that I love using in conjunction with it is called Super Whisper and this is one have you heard of this? No, I haven't. Super early on, I don't even know if this is a business versus just like someone's toying around to build it for themselves and it's out there. Superwhisper.com. It's probably Mac only, I don't know. I think it is actually.
I had to download it and pull it in. I wish I could screen share right now. So, in my menu bar, I have this little triangle and when I press the keyboard shortcut or I just tap on it, all it does is there's a little green dot that's or sorry, red dot that turns on and it's recording. And then I press it again, I have my keyboard shortcut and it stops it. and it just copies whatever you said to the clipboard as text. But it is crazy fast and
so it's not instant. I was gonna say instant but it's not truly instant. It's like, I don't know, have a second or a second behind depending on how much you record. But the transcription is like 100%. It's perfect transcription of whatever you're doing. I haven't dictated anything super like I haven't taken you know, a five paragraph thing and dictated that out yet to see how to slice it up and punctuate it and whatever. But the text itself has been spot
on every single time for me. So, that's super helpful. I just want to record something and I want to paste it in, do whatever. A Slack message, click up into email, into wherever else. Superwhisper.com is what I use for that. So, question about that. So, does it trans- it transcribes word for word? It doesn't do like what AI sometimes does like summarize or you know, tamper with it? That's all it does right now is just literally word for word transcription.
For a painting. I've used that with chat GPT a good amount. Say my prompt out loud and then just command C, command V in the chat GPT, there we go. My last one and you'll notice the theme here around productivity but text expander. Do you use a text expander tool and did you use one prior to ZenPilot? I haven't prior to ZenPilot and actually just this week I started using it for the first time. Also related to chat GPT, I have this whole, this is a nice
town I hope for the listeners. I have this prompt save that has just a lot of context about ZenPilot because I mean go figure I end up using chat GPT for ZenPilot at all, a lot, right? So I don't want to have to explain kind of the target audience, the service lines, the size of the company, etc. each time. So now I have this prepared kind of this big chunk of text that's like here's what ZenPilot is again. I have saved that as just, you know, zp prompt template
or something and via text expander just paste itself right in there. So, yes, I started using it recently but that's just the first use case I found for it. You should talk about how it's used at zempilot because it's like much more comprehensive. So, we use it for a ton of stuff. I started with text expanders just like if I type QEM, in fact, I was at out at click up HQ in February and I'm typing in someone else's computer and I'm putting in my email address.
for them and I typed QEM, they left it and they were like, wait, what's your email at? I was like, what do you mean at? Like my handle? Are you talking about Twitter or something? And they were like, no, what's your QEM at what? I was like, no, it's not QEM, it's GrazeEmpower.com. Oh, I typed QEM because that's my email, like that automatically expands GrazeEmpower.com. Q phone. That's power of habit. So, there's all the really, really basic use cases like that. Hey, I just want to type three
keys and have it expand. And the powerful thing is about this, like when you have company-wide adoption of this, if you change anything about your company and everybody's using the short, you know, form for it, then you don't have to do so much work communicating because people are going to be using the same shortcut and just getting different output. Like let's say the official company address changed, you know. You could bury that in a wiki. or just update
the text expander prompt and people are gonna see that the output is different. Like instantly, everybody gets updated on that, you know? And nobody wants to spend time digging through a Wiki to find the official company address. So it's faster and it's more consistent and that's really a rare find. Out of office forms, intake forms, like whatever else, URLs, all of that stuff. Well, then you take it to the next level. And you can text expander is one
of the most powerful, it might be the most powerful text expander, I don't know. And like I use Raycast, we can talk about a bunch of different tools that probably have some of this functionality built in. But what's cool is you can have these little models pop up that pre kind of have spaces for hey, I need an input here. You can also have any characters on your keyboard. So for example, there's a form that I have to fill out a couple of times every week and I
type four things, four characters. and it goes through and so it fills out the first field, all these fields are sequential in order, then it hits tab on my keyboard, automatically goes to the second one, fills that in, hits tab, hit tab, and then enter. At the end, I actually have a prompt where I have to enter in something and then I have to hit tab and then it tabs through the rest and hits enter and submits it for me. So it's just a kind of a really
simple way to automate some of life. You're exactly right, it does help keep kind of brand solidarity or consistency across the team. but mostly a productivity thing. Yeah. So, any kind of text that you find yourself grabbing from a doc, you know, in another window on another screen, you could just be using Text Expander for it. What you're mentioning here, it really is reminding me to use Text Expander more because once you set it up and get that
habit, it just keeps paying off in terms of seconds and minutes saved. What do you, if anyone else is listening, I'm sorry, is using Text Expander, is listening, send us an email to breakthrough at Zenpilot.com and let us know what do you use as your starting key? Like for me, I use Q a lot or I use a period but primarily Q because I'm never gonna type QEM
for a word or anywhere else. So, pick whatever you want your starting thing to be and then that allows you to keep your, what your inputs can be extremely short which is super nice. Have you seen it? Go to typingmind.com. Have you ever heard of this? I can't. I've never shared this with you before. Better UI for chat GPT. I'm sold. I don't need to know anything else. So, you can uh, there's a paid version. You can download this. You can use your chat GPT API key. You can just use the web version
as well. But so this guy Tony who is awesome, he has built a bunch of these different kind of micro tools. And this one is getting a ton of his attention right now. He's done a really good job with this. But one of the cool, he's got a bunch of cool features kind of on top of it. Let me see, in March he hit, let's see, he released the MVP of this thing on March 6th. He hit 10k in revenue on March 10th. I'm trying to see if I've got, I don't have any
inside scoop here on what his revenue is right now. But anyways. TypingMind allows you to have all these, there's a whole bunch of custom prompts built into it. So you just press that and your prompt is already there. You can save your own as well. So if you weren't using TextExpander, something like TypingMind could also work for quickly plugging in your prompts. And then yeah, you can dial in the temperature and all the other kind of customizations on top of
it that you can do, which is pretty cool. That's great. I need to have a closer look at this off the call, but always nice to get a tool recommendation like that. All right, we could do a million tool recommendations. Let's close this thing out. I think format wise with where we go, I'm super excited to have folks like download all the rest of them that are available. Go listen to, we're gonna release here the first five of them all together. So, go listen to
those. Let us know. Email us breakthrough at zempile.com. How we can change the format. What works well for you? What do you love? the recommendations, they're really tactical like, oh, I can go type this in, I can buy this book on Amazon, I can go download this app. What questions do you want us to push harder on in the Breakthrough itself? We'll love the toy around with some of those things. Kuba, what else do we have here as we wrap up? Yeah, definitely
send us thoughts on breakthrough at zempilot.com. It's almost as if we like they ask you answer as a concept ourselves and we want to serve you, our audience here, right? So... Definitely share your thoughts and we'll keep that in mind as we're recording these. Even the format itself right now is, you know, we have an idea but we'll see how it develops over time. So if you have thoughts about, you know, maybe you could do a segment on this, segment on that,
we're open to that and let's discuss. Other things, I think it would be useful to remind the audience just who this is brought by just so, you know, to contextualize. So again, this... podcast, Agency Breakthrough is a cooperation between ZenPilot and ClickUp. At ZenPilot, we help agencies streamline operations and we do that by helping them implement ClickUp, but also improve their processes, finally get those SOPs and templates in order, and to train
the team. So there's like a cadence of daily, weekly, monthly checks to make sure that everything is in the system and tagged right in the system. We help with all of that and more for huge productivity and profit gains. And great, two words about ClickUp. Yeah, well, I am ClickUp just to remind you all. I am- Oh yes, yeah. Yeah. The go-to and fastest growing project management tool for agencies. If you're listening and you're not already using ClickUp, do yourself
a favor and go to ClickUp.com and check me out. I was gonna say check them out but check me out obviously or go to ZenPilot.com and look for the ClickUp for Agencies guide. We've got this awesome 47 page. Totally free guide. There's a long 4,000 word blog post that I originally wrote a couple years ago that's been updated a number of times since then. A million resources that we're putting out to help you for folks who, whether they want to use our services
or they just want to use all the free stuff, there's not a ton of secrets. There's some really cool stuff behind the scenes, especially around reporting that we want to do, but there's really, a lot of this is like, hey, you just got to get the basics in place. The coolest, I mean, the thing to understand about a tool like ClickUp... You're coming from a trailer or a base camp or on a sauna or something very simple, you can get overwhelmed by how powerful
ClickUp is. Yeah. And you've got all these, it's the curse of freedom is really what it is. Like, oh, I'm free to set it up this way, I'm free to set it up that way and that is exactly what we love about it is, hey, if you're a design team or a dev team and you see your
board view and we're trying to move stuff through and statuses, that's great. And if you're a project manager, you're going to be like, oh, I'm going to move this thing or you're super detailed or even like I am and you want a long list or a table view, you've got that and if you're a creative and you want a whiteboard view but you want to all be using the same core data, we're still working with tasks and they could all be in the same place, that freedom
is amazing and people who are new to the platform figuring out how to use the hierarchy best and how to use views and dashboards best, those are the three and custom fields, those are like the four core key features that you kind of need to wrap your head around and so we're just trying to short-cut that learning for people and help. Explain hey, here's why and here's
how so then pilot.com. Yeah, look in the header I just don't have this distinct feeling I have this distinct feeling great that you're like extremely excited about click up Maybe even enough to start a company all around it without me for it to say I might be a step too far. All right That's uh, that's absolutely true. I'm uh, I Like to think that I'm a fair fanboy that I am 100% rooting for for ClickUp and the whole team and at the same time, our job and
who we get paid by is our clients. And so, our job, you can understand since the beginning, what's the best tool for most agencies most of the time, that's where we're gonna go focus. And so, that led to ClickUp. All right, anything else for you? Let's wrap this up. Follow ZenPilot, follow ClickUp, follow me, follow Gray and- Those are the CTAs for today. We're really excited that you either, you know, listened to the very first episode of Agency Breakthrough
or you went back to listen to the first episode that puts you in a very exclusive club. So welcome and we hope you're going to enjoy the ride as much as we're enjoying it here. We'll see you in the next one, probably with our first guests or, you know, whichever else is next up in your favorite podcast platform. This has been a blast, Gray. Thank you for the time. Perfect. Thanks, Kuba.