Humankind Emerged on this Planet to Bring Life to Other Planetary Shores w/ Steve Wolfe #32

Hello, everybody. This is David Goldsmith, and welcome to the age of infinite. Personally, when I look into the future, I hear the that we might be entering into the 4th industrial revolution, which is connected devices. And I think to myself, really? Is that the future? I also hear about we're going to be going to planets far beyond and everywhere else in the world, and I say, okay, is that our lifetime? I wanna be more pragmatic here.

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Then to use those endeavors, that paradigm shifting the innovations and turn them back on earth to improve how we live on earth for all species. And today, we're gonna be exploring humankind emerges on this planet to bring life to other planetary shores. And we have with us today, Steve Wolf. How are you, Steve? Very good. David, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Glad to be here. Steve, is the deputy executive director of Spacecom. He's the co founder of Beyond Earth Institute.

You can look all this up online. And just in our little pre conversation, I real I was told I was informed where we actually met. The Steve and I met in my first ever my first ever space conference in 2014 in Hawaii at the Great Giant Leap. Now to give you a sense of this, I knew nothing about space and it would be the equivalent of showing up at a PHD conference in the wrong language. We're talking about dragons and thrusters and kilograms and and traveling. And I I was I was as lost as can be.

I felt like after the 1st day I was typing as fast as possible, I felt like the 13th warrior within Antonio Banderas is if you've ever seen it where he figures out a language by listening to other people speak. And through that event, one of the people I met was Steve. So thank you, Steve, for reminding me of that. That was amazing. Yeah. No, it was it was a great, great experience, a very auspicious.

It was, I was very fortunate to go there and actually I was invited out to that conference to talk about this, this very topic. My, the book that it was based that these thoughts are based on, had just come out. So, I was invited out there. I'm not sure if you caught that, my my session, but, but I I remember one there were a few things I remember from that event. The first buzz Aldrin was there. The guy who put the rover on the comet out of France was there.

These were a lot of people who've been in space forever. Oh, yeah. And Hank Hank was there. Who was was he Tetris guy? He he owns Tetris. Rogers. Yep. Yeah. And Rogers. And I think if you remember me, I was the one saying, no, that won't work. And no, that won't work. And no, that won't work. So it was an it was really a neat event. So I don't remember if I saw yours or not. To me, the whole event was surreal. I I stepped out of Earth into this meeting. And No. It was it was it was phenomenal.

It was very, very, very technically oriented. And, I had the distinct honor, I guess, I, at least I feel that, that it was an honor to, to give a, a presentation prior to the opening ceremonies of the, of the program, where we talked about, you know, what is it that motivates humankind to want to expand beyond earth, right?

So it was, it was time to discuss, take a moment to talk about the philosophy of that which is motivating us, before the conference of course, dug into a lot of highly technical things. So it was a great opportunity. Opportunity. It was, an unbelievable event. And for me to be there was just, I was the odd man out on the the cruise. So I'm assuming you have an outline for the 2 of us. So tell me, I'm assuming you have an outline. Can you give it to me, please? Please?

Yes. So the outline the outline is, first, how it all began. The big bang and the principles of expansion and complexity. Wait. How it all began? The big the big bang. And I'm gonna put dot, dot, dot, blank. It's a very narrow topic, obviously. Yeah. Well, no. No. The big bang, what was the rest of it? The big bang? Big bang and the principles of expansion and complexity. Principles expansion and complexity. Okay. Next. Next is the story of a maturing Earth. Maturing Earth. That was an easy one.

Next. Mhmm. Next. The evolutionary impulse hyphen. Humanity, humanity actually does have a purpose. Actually has a purpose. Mhmm. Okay. Next. Next. How do we know humanity has a purpose? The 6 endowments. Humanity has a purpose. I'm gonna write an essay here. The 6th and 6 endowments. Okay. Next. What are humanities or humankind's obligations? Okay. Obligations. Okay. Next. And what is the 7th endowment and why is it so important? The 7th endowment. And why is it so important?

I feel like 7 eaves. Okay. Now, which I've what I've shared with you is that I don't know anything about what we're going to talk about today. I don't have we've never discussed it. I have a piece of paper in front of me. Help me. Teach me teach me this. Let's start with number 1. How it all be, how it all began. Mhmm. The the big bang and the principle of exponential principle of exponential and complexity. Right.

So, you know, when, we're talking about the, you know, what is, what is that which is driving humankind to want to expand beyond earth? And in contemplating this question, really over over I literally over a lifetime. I don't know why I've haven't been able to let this go, but, you know, as you as you as with many things, as you peel back the layers of the onion, you know, you start to see patterns.

And in this case, in order to explain that one little that one little motive internal motivation, the story really gets very very big and actually encompasses the entire universe. And if you will bear with me, we'll maybe be able to connect all the dots my mind my mind is racing trying to figure out where you're gonna go. So yes, so no we we you know And we all know, the story of of the big bang 140000000 years ago The, the universe began. Right? And it was, in the big bang.

And it was a cloud of undifferentiated particles in a, a, a, a, extraordinarily small fraction of a second. All of matter that exists today in the universe was released in that single in that single moment. And, and what happened during that period? What happened during that period? Immediately, the the, the two aspects of that event, 2 aspects of that event. 1 was is that the particles were expanding. Right? Yeah. And we're still expanding today. Right?

We know that the scientists tell us that the universe is continuing to expand. Based upon trajectory and distances that are happening. And distances. Right. We know we we we know this from science. And then we also know that almost immediately within literally 3 minutes, the first, well, within less than a second, the the undifferentiated particles began to coalesce into identifiable subatomic particles.

Within 3 minutes of the big bang, there was there was the first atoms appeared in in the universe. And so and and ever since then, of course, it's been a process of increasing complexity. Right? So Adam's Cole Adam's Adam's coalesced into into molecules, gathered into rocky bodies, gathered into stars, and planets, and galaxies. And then ultimately, ultimately, the, the, these on rocky planets that were bombarded by, by, by, molecule fragments from exploding stars, and so forth.

Life emerged out of that process, right? So it's, so we know 2 things from this that, that, that the universe is expanding and it's and has been increasing in complexity. And so and we will be returning to this as we continue our discussion. Okay. And now I've got a question here before we go. Go ahead. The one thing, I had how we had Howard Blubaugh just recently. And this whole thing that we all know always gets me to say, I'm not sure we know. We assume we know. I mean Well, the the theories.

The the the the the the the the the the the The theories. It it's they're just this topic alone to believe we there was nothing and then there was something. I don't believe the human mind can completely comprehend that. Well, right. And you could, well, and and right. We could get into actually a very long, conversation, I suppose, on the on, on the theory of the big bang.

But we can, but I think that if you just look at even even not even going back that far, if you look at the evolution of the universe, we can see that it's been that that it is expanding. So that seems to be things like to expand. And this is really my my essential point is things like to expand and then things like to move towards, complexity. Right?

So, you know, so so and then that kinda gets us to the story of But but things like to expand is is a hypothesis in and of itself because I don't know if everything likes to expand. So does everything I mean, when you say it that way Well, you were talking about a a universal tendency. Right? So not every you know, when you, not everything is a certain way, but there are there there is universal tendencies.

And that's really that's what we're gonna be talking about here is brought is is general tendencies. So we're talking because Rick, because you because when you talk about when you talk about the human motivation, just back to human motivation to expand into outer space. Well, as we well know, you and aim you and I feel that immensely. Right? That desire, that passion and all that.

But we know that there are a lot of people out there that don't feel that way at all, you know, and don't see it, don't get it. So, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say that there's a tendency, right, towards expansion and towards expansion beyond earth. Right? And that sort of that that tendency actually has to overcome other kinds of, tendencies or actually I don't call them tendencies, inertia. Right? So there's there's inertia that is keeping us sort of anchored here on this planet.

And so this tendency to expand outward or desire to expand outward has to overcome the the the the the the opposite, efforts and opposite inertia. So if I was to reframe this because I'm trying to make sure that I've got your angle on this sort of way to to grasp that is The it's not that the universe wants to expand or it go that it wants to go to complexity is what you're saying is we have discovered that because it was a bang, the universe is expanding.

So therefore we are stuck in 1,000,000,000 of years of expansion. That's where we go. Our our universe will continue to expand until it doesn't. And then on the complexity side, we have seen through time that from a what you said, the the molecules turning into atoms and part separate time particles and then atoms is that we have seen that a complexity is continually forming. Therefore, we can continue to believe that complexity will continue to form. I say that right? Essentially.

Yes. Yes. Yes. It's been and, yes. And and these are and I would and I'm, you know, I'm postulating here, obviously, is that, or yep. That these are, these are tendencies that are that are at work. Right? That have been at work in the universe from the beginning and they're at work, now they were at work in the evolution of the planet and life that is on the planet. So Okay. Yes. So that that I can That's it. That's it.

Yeah. So what I want to say is that we tend to gravitate toward a complexity is probably to say that we are we see a complexity continue and we know we're expanding, so therefore that will continue. There's there's nobody stopping that or nothing stopping that. So we can put that into our formulaic reasoning that it will continue for at least a few more 1000000000 years. Right, right. And we'll, as we walk through this, I'll return to this as well.

We'll talk about examples of expansion and complexity and how it works and how this is sort of, I mean, it is also, you know, it is also the basis of the, of of the opposites, you know, that it is in a way the the the yin and yang of the universe, the male, the female. There is, you know, the the expansion is is the male outwardness. The the, you know, wanting to go out and the complexity is the female, is the nesting, is the is is is that aspect.

So it's like, how do we coalesce and protect and so forth. Oh, wow. So I I had never ever thought of it in that way. Mhmm. You brought in 22 distinct yin and yang, yang yang. So now you've got that they're that they need 1 h. I don't know if they need Right. So I think the root of this the root of this, even though you could look at it from a you could look at it from a, a, a cosmological standpoint, but also the, ultimately this is, is influencing, the, the balance of the universe as well.

The universe is balanced by its, its ability to expand outward and then to, and then to become complex. And I wouldn't just say contract or through gravity, but through, some, you know, complexity, meaning not just, not just dirt clumping together after all, you know, particles didn't just clump together. They came together to form something more complex that ultimately resulted in in life and all sorts of other good things. Okay. I'm I'm following you.

Okay. Okay. Okay. No, no. It's it's great because I might what happens, just so you know, if you knew me, you know me now for 6 years, I didn't realize that, is my mind immediately just hits, an explosion of ideas. And so I'm saying, okay, how does that work? How does the complexity gravity pulls atoms or some type of forces pull them together so they create? How was that creation?

So I just went through like evolutionary biology, gi, all in my head in a matter of a few seconds to say, where does it interact and where does it? So I'd like to hear more. Mhmm. Good. Well, so the, you know, this, and so the evolution, as I mentioned, the the universe could, carries on the, the massive clouds of, of gas and, and, and atoms ultimately form into galaxies and stars and, and planets, right? And then eventually of course, planets, particularly our planet.

Now we'll just focus on our planet is seeded with, what, what's called the, it's called star stuff. Right? That, supposedly the building blocks of life, you know, fall into the primordial soup, shake well and out pops, out pops life. And, and, the and and then and then we see and I don't and then we see from that emergence of life on earth. Right? And, the however that mechanism works, which we we just saw the whole other No.

No. So so I I wanna know what because it is seeded with this stuff of stars. So the I I get that that all these particles came together. So we came from the universe after the big bang, and I had to come from there. Do you believe As Carl Sagan tells us. Right? Yeah. Yes. Carl Sagan. I asked. If do you believe your personal belief that this, as you call it, soup of life, the soup, has it created life like humankind anywhere else or creatures that can do the types of things that we can do?

What's your thought? Yeah. I believe I I believe that it has. I believe that just just speaking very, very generally that once the conditions for life exist, and I can't imagine that we are unique amongst planets and anywhere in the universe, once it can and and and I don't know what the range of the conditions that are that are requisite would be. But once those conditions are right, I I think that yes, that that life does emerge. There is a tendency.

Again, it gets to this this complexity thing. Eventually, things get complex to the point of of, of, of creating life. Right. So I do, I, I do, I do think that that it, it is something that, When you, when you look up at night, you say there's something or somebody or some something out there. Yes. Yes. Yeah. The only difference is that their knees bend backwards. Right. It may be something like that. Exactly. It might be. And and yeah.

And, and whether they're, you know, whether they're already here or whether, you know Oh, okay. There are 100, you know, whether, you know, other questions like that, I just sort of put to the side because, you know, I I it's not I I haven't seen the you know I haven't seen an you know I haven't seen the proof. And and hopefully we'll see proof at some point that life exists. Hopefully we'll see proof that life exists in this solar system. Mhmm. That alone would be a game game changer.

We just realized we just saw that, is a that signs of life were apparent in the gas of Venus. And how awesome is that if if that were to be the case? I I I saw that a little bit. Can you just I I'm assuming you read a bunch a lot about this. Can you give me a little bit of what they found? Yeah. No. And I'm not the right person for that. No. That's okay. Just just the talking.

Yeah. No. It it there's there's a chemical signature that the scientists were able to detect within the within the clouds of Venus that implied that they were, that, that that could only have been produced or I shouldn't say only, that that that it was possible. It was a type of thing that life forms would would create. You know? So I, you know, I think we're talking about microbial Mhmm. Life if if if it's there or at all.

So and that's really the extent I I would not I I I would say and to say anything more would would probably, you know, really not not do the the real reports any service. I encourage people to look that up. Well, I I I, you know, there's only so much you could look up. One of the challenges that I face, there's a whole group of individuals, putting in classification. I don't wanna do too much of a broad brush who believe that we are the creatures of the universe and that's it and that we go out.

But then there are others who believe there's life in other places. And I I really do wonder what will happen behaviorally, psychologically to identify that it could be some that there could be life someplace else? And if there is, does that change the meaning of our lives? If if Right. If there's a religious connotation to somebody's thinking, how can that be? Because if there's a small one, maybe there's a big one.

You know, it changes everything because would this be the only planet that has religion? Does nobody else have religion? Or would we be as would humans be egocentric to say, well, then this would have been the beginning Mhmm. And others would have been later. So I think that's a that's a huge on this topic, that would be a huge On this. Game changer. Yeah. Oh, it would. And and and I I suspect that it it will. I I would be surprised if we do not encounter intelligent life. Certainly life.

I don't know if it's going to happen in our lifetime. But this also speaks to the, sort of the premise of what I'm talking, what, what I'm relaying here. And it, it is this, the next point if you see here well, let me let me just continue Okay. Continue a little bit on the the maturing earth. Yeah. And and and it does have to get to this notion of life, the emergence of life. Right?

So that there is a there is there is a pattern for existence that that I would that I would I would put forth that is, is determinant of how, how not only how the universe evolves and, and and forms and the mechanisms that, that, that are involved in the creation of galaxies and stars and so forth, but how this also ultimately plays a part in the in the create creating the opportunities for for life to emerge.

And that this this is how the universe comes into being and how and how life emerges in within the universe is something that was present at the moment of the creation of the universe. Right? The moment of the big bang. So Let's let's slow down for a minute. Yeah. Yeah. No. This is the heavy this is the heavy part because Yeah. Well, I obviously, I just put the hammer down. It's like, wait. Right. So you're just trying to do the summary. You can help me with this.

You're saying that you believe that the from the inception 14,000,000,000 years ago, and I always forget that number. I don't know why. 14,000,000,000 years ago, that the that inception also meant inherently that there'll be an inception of eventually, there'll be the creation of, creatures, species on this planet. You believe they're connected. That's right.

That there would be, and and and I I the analogy that we can use is the, you know, life at, a child, an infant whatever, a fetus comes from comes from nothing. Right? And it's, it's just a little bit of DNA code that mushes together. There's nothing there essentially. And, but there's a code. Right? It's a code to terms and determines what that, you know, adult, being will be like in many, many ways. Not every way, but in many ways.

And I think just as we have that kind of a DNA, I would say that there is a DNA of a kind that, that informs the evolution of, of the universe. So And therefore and therefore it informs all aspects of that. And, and if if I may So just add clarity. Are you saying it that in that DNA it was going to be on earth or that it would just happen someplace? Right. I would say that it would happen someplace. Right?

So we know that, well, and like a seed, like a like a like a tree, for example, an acorn is planted, you know, no 2 trees are alike. The branches twist this way and they twist that way. You know, probably no 2 gallic no 2 universes are alike. Right? I'm not talking about, multiverse theories. Right? So if you have, you know, galaxies will form this way and that way and clusters of galaxies will form this, you know, in in in any variety of ways.

And then the conditions, but but overall, the conditions for life are ultimately met. And then once those conditions for life are are met, therefore, life is allowed to emerge. And and and then, you know, use once once life emerges, then we begin the process of the planetary ecosystem, coming into being, right, and coming into being and maturing. And I don't think it's, you know, it's it on one sense, it's kinda hard to sort of think in those terms.

And another sense, we we so readily, are willing to, accept that life were to form, life is is able to form on other other planets and other galaxies and so forth. And there's there's all sorts of, calculations on how many, how many habitable, civilizations there are or or worlds there are and so forth out there, how many civilizations might be out there that are like ours. And, you know, we need some way to explain that.

Oh, and yeah. And I'm I'm I'm following you and at the same time, I I've I've wrestled with this construct. There's this belief that some things just happen. That's randomness. That your that your life, your meanings, your interactions, everything you do is random and therefore, you have you have free will. But there's the other side. I believe you can't be in the both same camp because they once one is chaos theory or randomness, and the other one is that things happen for a reason.

And that they do happen and therefore, there's a predetermination that they will happen. So it you're almost leaning towards when the big bang happened, there was something that 14000000000 years ago stuck in a little said a little code that said, by the way, in 14000000000 years or in 12000000000 years on another planet, another place in time, this will happen. Mhmm. Are you saying it was that that, like this was preordained? Well, yeah, I mean preordained is not not, not the not the best word.

I know it's not the best. It was the only one I came up with. Sorry. I was I was searching for 1, but I couldn't find it. It's a good word. I I think we I think we need to be willing to, to think in these terms, because if you think about the universe and its evolution as a whole, and if you especially if you're thinking about multiverses that we're not the only universe, that there any number of infinite, multiverses out there that are all kind of the same or maybe slightly different.

The, it is and that they all would well, we don't know about any other universe. We don't even know about this one. But, but that there should be, that that we should have gotten to this point, you know, you know, if there really wasn't some sort of plan, you know, and and, or or or a guiding principle or guiding code that was, you know, more, had had more information in it. It was so the the evolution was informed by something. Right?

So Mhmm. I don't wanna get into the whole god thing because I think that that's and I I I don't really ascribe to that. I think that these I think this process is ultimately a very natural, process, just for At the end same time, the way you're describing it though for at least for me, it's almost as if well, let me ask. Would it be that there could have been many different, let's call them DNAs, because that's what you used, many different DNAs, and Earth looks like 1.

If I was to use space words, planet x 49434ap instead of, a a human word, that planet has a different DNA sequence and therefore it is prime, or are we making the assumption that the DNA blocks for life only are arranged in the way in which we know them?

Yeah. No. That's that's a good question because I I think if that were to be the case, like say that there was, you know, say say that there was some sort of code that was non human that that that that the life would emerge some other way or intelligent life, intelligent civilization and some other way that was dramatically different from our own. I would say maybe maybe there is a reason for that in terms of the full scope of the future continuing evolution of the universe. Right?

So we're we're emerging it to a certain we're just becoming space faring, space faring people right now. If we connect with other space faring civilizations, you know, what does that mean? Right? So that whole thing, you know, and that might not be for another 1000 years. And to a certain extent, I don't I my thinking doesn't go my thinking doesn't go that far, but it's a it's a it's a good thing to to discuss it.

I mean, I when I when I I try not to be human centric when I when I analogize to space because it changes paradigms. And and to think that there are a 100,000,000,000 suns in, it was a 100, now I'm getting it wrong.

We've we've identified a 100,000,000,000 galaxies, and those galaxies are made of billions of stars and, and planets circling circuit and moons that when, if you were to take the complexity of that, let's use complexity as the word, it's so complex that there are so many that are made up of so many different concentrations of, components that there is a chance that there could be many different types of DNA. Right. And that to believe that there would be 1 to me is human centric.

Right. And I I agree with that. I I although, you know, I I would agree with that. And, I and I and and in terms of what constitutes this, this DNA that that makes life and what makes intelligent life may be highly determinant on the environment itself. So Mhmm. You know, that we know that the tendency is that life is created. Right? And the and the tendency is that life over time evolves and becomes more and more complex. Using earth using earth as its own.

So using earth, the presumption is is that this is not unique. Right? Obviously Correct. If that were not to happen on another planet, life would never go anywhere. Right? Or or what I'm saying is it could go in completely different direction because there was another whole there was another DNA set. Oh, right. Exactly. But right. And there may be and whether that what I'm what I'm getting at is, what am I getting at?

So you and it gets back to the well, getting back to the tree species, you know, kind of thing where, you know, you plant a tree in different locations. They look a lot different. Yeah. That's true. And they're they're no 2 of the same. They can, they they, they adapt.

Now what we could be seeing is and like I said, the unique, but but just but just, but let's get back to the story, if you will, about the maturing earth and and and, we there'll be plenty of other things I'm sure you wanna dig into. Yeah. So, as I was just mentioning You know you know I have you've heard the I have fun on these. They take you off. I'm looking forward to it. I was look I was definitely looking forward to it because, I I I enjoy this more than just about anything else.

And and to be honest, there there's not a lot lot, not enough people out there put it that way, that I can have these conversations with. So thank you. I I do enjoy this. I enjoy exploring. So this is the exploration of the kind of space. So, yeah, I love it. That's what this is.

And, you know, and I think what, it's one of these things, you know, where I you know, one of these things you just sit down, you contemplate, and you contemplate, and then, you know, you just gotta start writing it down, you know. And, and then you said that that David guy, oh my God, he's gonna be a pain. Oh, is that not a so so okay. Let's take this maturing life, this maturing, So you're you're you're, so again, you have what's interesting.

So now what's, you know, so now we maturing life on earth from, you know, from the single celled organisms to multi celled organisms to eventually evolving into plants and then, and then, and then animals. And you see, and here we have the, we see this, this, this process of what expansion and complexity. Right? Evolution is moving towards ever increasing complexity. Generally speaking, obviously, there, as my son reminds me, there are dead alleys in Darwin's theory where, and in in expansion.

I mean, every living thing wants to expand, wants to multiply and and and and, and expand. Now I get the expansion. I couldn't get your expansion, but now I get it. You we want to multiply as a as a is an example of expansion. Yes. That that is, that is our, that is our right. So, and so sort of that's and then that's where we and and then, and that's an evolving planet that where we are, where we have had gotten to for humans.

We've a planet that was teeming with life in the oceans and in the forests and vegetation was everywhere and the ecosystem was beautiful and balanced. And yes, there was, you know, there was a food chain and there was violence, but there was beauty and all this good stuff. And wow wasn't this great. Right? And why the hell why the hell do we need humans to come around and bring us the good thing going, didn't we? The earth had a good thing going. The earth had a good thing going.

And we are the virus, I think is the matrix. And then we were the virus. Right. Well, so that is it. That's the that's the, that's the what many people say. Right? That that humans came along, and we were the virus, and we began to do nasty things. And, of course, once the industrial age hit, we got really nasty in terms of how we treated, the the, the earth and the environment. Now what I'm gonna say here is a little bit, is is definitely radical, in in in that regard.

Remember, I'm the guy who showed up at a space conference and told people they were wrong. By the way, most of them didn't make it, but I won't I won't say too much about that. So okay. So be radical. Right. So the what I what I suggest is that that humans and their abilities, the things that they were endowed with beyond the they were gifted beyond any other species. And those things that allowed them to become civilized, and allowed them to evolve technology.

And that technology over time becoming what? More and more complex. That that was something that needed to happen because the planet itself was at a at a point where it was fully matured and it needed to engage the reproductive process. Right?

So Okay. We have a living organism, the planet as living beautiful organism needed an agent to emerge within her body that would effectuate the transference of the collective DNA that makes up that makes up the world and transmit that to other to other shores. And this was also in the original DNA that it would grow to a point and then over tax its planet and then it would go someplace else. Well, right. And I wouldn't even well, yes.

Yes. And so Because it used the word I I I'm gonna pick on you. You said civilized. So so we we we became a civilized I don't know. Sometimes I have to question that. And, yes, we generated technology.

So So we were, so yes, I mean, if you wanna go back to the, the original sort of this DNA code, it, you know, the information, you know, obviously if you're speculating on a on some sort of DNA code that was in existence at the beginning of this of the of the universe, you you would add this to it.

That that part of the you know, that there there would be a process by which, and let's go back to the exploding stars that are depositing their organic, molecules onto a planetary surface and life emerges. So that is a process that, you know, happened on earth and it's happening all over the universe. So kind of that process. So kind of like a plant has grown up. It develops its seed. It's no longer and it has to spit it out, and it goes someplace else. That's right.

And so we are the we are the the agents within her body that will create the, we'll just say the the acorns or the seed pods, literally, right, with a harder hard external shell and carry the soft the the soft DNA material to other other planetary shores. And what's interesting, you know, is that this has been an unconscious process for the last 50000 years ever since we sort of came off the trees and came out of the forest and started, you know, walking upright.

And we started using stone tools and we started to, you know, we our our brain mass started to, problem solve. And, it was all in the ultimately, and what I'm suggesting is ultimately it was all in the service so that what? So that we could get to where we needed to get so that we could carry the seeds of life. So so so follow-up with that.

Is if you look if you look at the if you look at all throughout history, what has been one of the things that has fascinated fascinated culture or present in culture after culture, and it is the it is the monolith. It is the totem. It is the, it is the pyramid. It's that it is the tower, right, that is, that reaches to the heavens.

And so this the what I'm saying is the rocket, the image of the rocket, the future rocket that would take people off this planet was embedded into the psychology of the and and is a driving force for civilizations ever since we began to do things, you know, other, you know So I gotta I I I've got 2 points here, but let's take the first one. So do you believe that we have been visited and maybe these were brought to us?

I I don't, I I I, I don't doubt that I I that may be a possibility, but I also think that these these commonalities like these UFO, ancient UFO, types like to talk about how there's the commonalities between these cultures and they're all doing the same thing. I think it's as easily, explained not not because ancient aliens came around and and and taught the same things to all these different tribes.

I think that the that that tendency was, that tendency and desire and commonality was part of the, of this original original, DNA. I think if they're going to come, they're not gonna be in a rocket. They're gonna be in a ship and that wouldn't have the same shape. Well, probably not. Probably not. And that's why To make it all the way here from wherever they're coming from. Well, right.

So that, that that's more to, I guess, more to, to my point, that this image of the, you know obviously, I'm stretching the point a little bit, but It's okay. You see this No one's gonna hear this. Come on. Even in Washington. What's that? No one's gonna say, hey. That's the guy. But it's, you know, in a in a you know, even Washington DC, you see the Washington Monument. You know?

I mean, that's, you know, that's that's a that's a image of what would, what would eventually that's the image of a rocket. We didn't know what a rocket looked like, you know, before, you know, the 20th century. But, I think it was in, I was part of our psychology and that that's, that's what I suggest. And I, I can hear you. I'm trying to go through my head and saying, does every culture on this planet have it? I don't know. You've probably.

Well, that's the thing is, you know, again, it's a matter of tendencies. Right? So, again, you know, not every not every tree bears fruit. Right? So not every there's a chance that we're not gonna make it, you know? Well, that was the next one. That was the next one. But could could these rockets have also been very similar to, for example, the Cambodian history, which is very phallic? Could these rockets have also just been phallic?

Well, you know, I I, you know, it it it it could could have been obviously some of them were very, explicitly so. And, so, you know, I I I think the opportunity here is to, is is is to contextualize our how we have evolved as humans and this this moment and and how we can explain this moment. We're about where we're about to leave this planet.

And I think it's it's helpful to look at this in in in the full scope of our of our of our evolution that has brought us to this very moment, you know, where and and even interestingly, Elon Musk himself said this said this very thing that I just said, that we are the agents that have emerged from this planet to carry the seeds of life into space. He said that when, when the demo 2, launched right at that that same day in the press conference with with Dan and Doug, you know, the 2 astronauts.

Oh, okay. Now I I was this is, one of the people on the project moon that team reminded me I was supposed to watch the launch and I missed it because I didn't turn it on an hour and a half beforehand. I was sitting talking my wife, and I just missed it. So I didn't see any of that. So what I suggest is that there is a, you know, I looked at I asked the question.

I said, well, if what I'm saying is if what I'm thinking, what I'm saying is true, that humans emerged here for this purpose, then how do we how do we know that? You know, what is the what are the clues here? So So so before we get to that, before we get to the clues Mhmm. I not that you learn everything on a plane, I watch a ton of movies, but I did watch a documentary that had to do with life extinction by by human destruction of its own.

Not that in in almost all these cases that the there is this complexity, complexity, complexity, and then you get to a point where humans actually destroy their own possibility of getting there. Right. When you hear that and is that built into our DNA too? Yes. Yes. And I'll get I'll I'll explain that. I'll explain. All will be explained. Okay. No. The the again, this Thank you, master or sensei. Thank you. No. There are no You're saying grasshopper. No. They're not stopping.

They're not stopping. They're not stopping. They're not stopping. They're not stopping. We're like, the, there's no guarantees. Right? So, so we're at we're at we're at an inflection point. I think Musk further said that, that we time is limited. Right? We're kinda we're kinda reaching sort of this a pinnacle of capability, and we kinda need to keep going up the ladder. Right? And if we don't quite make enough progress, then things kinda fall back down and then we gotta kinda regroup.

And, the, the what what's important about what you said though is that, and again, I'm gonna go back to this analogy, about, you know, about reproduction. Right? So we we the earth matured. It now needs to send the seeds. That's just what life does. Life cannot help doing that that's what that's what life does. Not a positive. It's not negative. It's just what life does.

And, in order for the designated agent, the human race, to get to that point where it can build those seed pods and get us off get those that DNA off the planet, it needed to stress the body. And and isn't that exactly what a child in in a mother's womb does? Right? It stresses the pregnant woman's, body, in some cases extremely so, some, some people have a easier time of it. And I think that's probably true for worlds, you know, other worlds that are emerging this this way.

Probably some some So you're saying the challenges we have on earth are forcing us to make new choices? The challenges we're having on earth are result of, especially as the especially in in relation to the environmental damage that we're doing is a result of necessity, for us to It's for it's forcing delivery. It's forcing delivery. Right. It's forcing delivery.

And now what's interesting about this is and extremely important is that once the delivery takes place, the body has to the body has to has to, has to heal itself. Right? And there are mechanisms for the body to heal itself. And I think and and and so what that has done, has created what what I call a a twin obligation. Right? So I the the premise of this whole discussion is the notion that, life extending beyond earth is an obligation that humans have to the planet that gave it life. Right?

So the the the life extending beyond earth is an obligation that you and I, the humanity, has to the planet that gave it life. Now the important thing though is when, at the same time that we are feeling this need to extend life beyond Earth, there are some of us that are feeling are that have the role and responsibility and equal obligation to heal the planet. Right?

So we're kind of at this cusp where some of us, you and I are part of this group, and all the people that you're talking to are part of this group that feel a passionate need to, extend in life off the planet. And so we are bound and determined to figure out any way how to do that, and we will do that. And there's others of in the population who feel an obligation to planetary stewardship, and they're looking to repair the planet. So the 2 must go hand in hand.

And and guys like Bezos and Musk are kinda in this. This is right. This sort of They're on one they're one extreme of the this. Well well well, Musk is particularly interested because he's he's as interested in restoring the balance within, with, the ecological balance as much as has he's interested in expanding life. So he's sort of holding both of these obligations, internally, which makes him particularly, particularly interesting. And, so these so so this is all very important.

So Well, it's interest you you don't know enough about Project Moon Hut, but our narrative is to create a box of the roof and a door on the moon, which is Bruce named us Project Moon Hut from NASA. Box of the roof and door on the through the accelerated development of an Earth and space based ecosystem. Then to take those endeavors, those that paradigm shifting and those innovations and turn them back on earth to improve how we live on earth for all species.

So we're literally I mean, I it's kind of weird. We're literally doing everything you're saying. We are looking to accelerate and get us off the planet as fast as possible because it's not it's like we have a quarter around our neck. We're not getting there as fast. And then what we're doing is saying, but by getting off the planet, we will solve our challenges. That's that is our whole narrative. Yeah, no, that's great. I mean, that's great.

I think, and, you know, and I, and I don't think it's entirely uncommon for, people who are interested in expanding into space to be very, very interested in the, the balance of the ecosystem and, and restoring, sustainability on this planet. I, I, you know, I feel that tremendously. And I know you do. Well, I, I'm not a space person. That's the amazing, you know, I don't see I never look up. I don't wake up and look outside and look up and say, I wanna go out there.

I don't think any of that at all ever. I'm like the antithesis of these things, which is the surprise. So when you're describing this, I'm saying, okay, this is an interesting story and it does fit us, which I, I like, but it scares me a little bit that it, it fits us. Right. And I think that the, you know, the, the thing about this progress that we've been making, you know, technologically over all these literally 50,000 years, probably more like a 100000 years.

If you talk about the first, stone tools that are used in very rudimentary things. And it's been a very much an iterative process, right? Generation after generation. Obviously you went maybe centuries without much change at all, but there were always were improvements on the technology. There was always some, there was always improvements someplace on the planet, happening at different paces, different speeds, different evolutions, new, so yes, absolutely. Right, right.

And it's, but overall, again, looking at this trend line, so we were, and we were marching forward, towards this capability and, and it's like, as soon as we had sort of the right set of technology in place, you know, the in the early part of 20th century, you know, people like, Jan, Ziolkowski from in Russia and and, and got Robert Goddard, you know, who was, the the father of rocketry, you know, you know, figured out, you know, how do we how do we get rocket? How do we, how do we make rockets?

And he wanted to, he wanted to make rockets and so that he could, so that they would carry people into space. Wernher Braun Braun of course did that as well. So this, this passion was, was ignited almost instantly as the technology itself suddenly was, became available. And, so, so so this unconscious march to a to a degree then an unconscious March has has gone on for the all of these 1000 of years.

And I think now is, you know, we we wanna it it would be extremely helpful if we were now conscious of this process that is unfolding, that we are already a part of. Right? So we're already a part of an unfolding and developing universe. I hate to, I, I hate to use, a title, but what you're saying is you would like humankind to take a giant leap of faith that this was the actual story, that this is what's actually happening.

Now I guess my question is, are we finding the narrative in the story that doesn't exist because we want to? Or are we or is this really what's happening? We'll never know. But what's your thought? Do you think we could be potentially finding it to make make rash to rationalize all of this? Well, I think that there's, right. Obviously people will say that and I think, you know, it's not unlike, it's not unlike what, Darwin did.

I certainly don't wanna put myself in the same category, but Darwin, you know, he all he had to go on was what he observed. Right? All you, you know, and and and and and recording what you observed and taking note and trying to draw patterns and and, to see, you know, and and see the patterns that make sense, from from one species to to the other. And that's really all I'm doing here is I'm trying to I'm trying to see, what what what the patterns are.

I mean, I will say that it was that the central aspect of this was a was an insight, you know, that I had in a in a in a in a peak moment or a a an moment, that So so so tell the moment. Well, it was, I was actually on a, I was actually on a retreat. Okay. Which, where I had an opportunity to, spend time, contemplating and in silence and in meditation for extended periods of time. So you went you went away to a retreat.

That was the reason you went to to be in a monkish type state and that type of thing? Well, I I didn't go away to answer this question in particular, but I was I was away to and that's something that I you know, that's part of part of my life, part of what I like to do every once in a while.

I like to just completely unplug, and just spend a few days, a few days, sitting in meditation just to completely recharge my batteries and to completely, you know, completely center myself and, highly recommend it to anyone. And it is in these moments and this is, this would be true for anyone.

You know, scientists talk about this all the time where you is in these moments when you are able to completely empty your head, right, from all thought and all feelings and that sometimes, you know, sometimes interesting stuff. Well, I I I I don't I don't disagree. The the reason that this I like the stories. I do that. I I draw paint, sculpt, I do carbonate plumbing electrical work. And in the past few days, I have been 20 I've been on a ladder for 8 hours.

No music playing, just myself painting and working, and I I do a tremendous amount of thinking. I don't sit on the beach. That's not me. I like to be involved and engage, but, yes, I unlock. So Right. In your one example or what your one scenario, you went away for 3 days. And how did the epiphany hit you? Well, I had had a, I mean, actually, you know, I know you don't want me to mention my book, but it's detailed in my book.

Yeah. But, what the the, it was, it was the day of, a day of meditation, in the group meditation in the meditation hall. Let's call it that way. And and it was particularly sublime, you know, I had a I really was, really was, quite a moment. And then, and actually it didn't nothing happened right right then.

But then that evening, that evening I was in my hotel room, and I was asking myself the question again, why is that why is it that humans are so passionate and so and so motivated to to expand beyond earth. And then it was, it was an experience of a rush, you know, that came over me. And in my vision, if you will, in my vision, I saw, the evolution of humankind over 50,000 years in rapid succession over the course of a few I don't know.

A blink of an eye really of of of everything that we were doing. Everything that we have done before was leading us to this this very moment. And I saw the evolution of technology and of human and civilizations over and over and over and over and over again at the However many thousands of lifetimes. And, you know, and that's how it impressed upon me. And I just saw this and it was just it was all all in a in a very big rush. And, and that's how it happened.

And it was kinda it was kinda wild and I was kinda I was kind of, taken taken by that. And it really it really affected me. And sent me on a, you know, for several years after that, for for years after that really contemplating. And then, and then and then writing and putting these thoughts down and trying to put all the pieces together and so forth and try to come up with something that sounded, that sounded, comprehensive. So I, I know this is a tough question.

Yet we've heard some really interesting stories or I've heard them on the podcast. There's and you don't have to answer. This is just a question. Some people go away to retreats and they often will do some type of enhancement to get them to think differently. Was there anything unique about this experience that made that helped you to see the light? Was there an advisor? Was there a coach? Was there a friend? Was there a storm outside?

Was there were there influences that might have influenced us? Storm outside. I know. But, you know, our our my son's dog stays here and whenever this there's a storm outside, she goes to the center of the house and she cannot be settled. Whenever there's thunder, she goes upstairs, downstairs, upstairs, downstairs. She goes to the center of the house. So certain things do trigger people. So that's why I said storm. Mhmm. Yeah. No, I don't know.

I think it was just, I was, I was at an interesting point, I think, and I had, I I I I think I had gone into this really thinking about where I was going professionally or well, I wouldn't even say that. I was just kinda kinda I was going in there with this with I definitely went in there with this thought about, about space and this motivation of space. And for some you know, for, you know, just wanting to to understand that.

Not that I went into this thing saying I'm gonna answer this question, but it was something that was on my mind.

And, you know, but but I you know, so I'm not sure I don't know if there's anything other than having sat for, you know, for for some number of hours in deep meditation, where you you achieve a degree of clarity and serenity of mind that allows a a ground of being for, for something else to emerge, you know, something separate and apart to emerge, and some new insight to it to emerge from that.

It's interesting that you just got to this point and the the storyline Mother Earth changes is also a very interesting analogy to the path that you had seen. And I question a lot just in my own mind, so I'm not questioning you is how much do we create to fill our own need or how much do we create that is real? Sure. You know? So Not not that you're right or wrong. This is just the discussion about thinking.

And I I appreciate the discussion because, obviously, you know, I'm not you know, obviously, there is there is that, that we, that we as humans look to, to ascribe meaning to things all the time. Yeah. We're meaning creating people. That's what we do is create meaning everywhere we go. And whether, whether it's true or not. I do think that, I, I, I, I ascribe it to this what's going on here is more of, like for example, you know, a teenager, teenage boy sees a pretty girl. Right?

And and it's like, oh, you know, or a girl sees a guy. That's, you know, and it's, oh, you know, I really like I really like that person. They're so nice and, I'm, you know, and I, you know, I'd like to get to know them and this and that. So there's a sort of level of, you know, that there's this level of where your, people are feeling let's face it. People are feeling urges. Mhmm. Primordial, natural, urging. Hey. You had I just like you had a lot of trouble getting to that.

Yes. You have natural urges. I'm going to put an R rated on this one. Right. But what are we doing though? We have these, we have these urges. So what, but what do we do? We, we, we say, you know, we say that this person is, is nice and I wanna get to know them and I wanna, you know, I want to, you know, you know, there's all these other things that go on in terms of the so called courtship that, that is part of human experience. It's not r rated or anything.

No. I I I'm You know what I'm saying? You you you are, your you know, so you so this impulse and I call it a I call it the evolutionary impulse, which we did not get to, but I think this underlies, much of this. So we have an impulse, an evolutionary impulse that's sort of driving us in a particular direction. And that is, this impulse that humans feel have been, pushing, have been nudging us, if you will, in the direction of increasing complex, increasingly complex civilization structures.

So so let's so let's we're gonna move to 3, evolutionary impact. Humanity actually has a purpose. Before we do, I'd like to share that over the past few days, I have one individual who has reached out to me multiple times for me to hear her opinions and to help her to die to to understand what to me is basically conspiracy theories. I'm getting a lot of them, and every time I say, well, you know, this is for example, this is a very American thing.

No other culture that I know of goes in this direction. Oh, yeah. No. It's definitely American, but it it's it's universally applied. And then I said, okay. And I'm getting photographs and imagery. So when I I'm kind of in the maybe the timing is right or wrong. I don't know what that answer is. But when I'm hearing what you're saying, I'm also I've got this hat on, and it's not your fault. It's just happens to be. I've got this hat on of okay. John f Kennedy is alive.

Junior is alive, Or is he not? And I've I'm I'm fighting this battle of Mhmm. Where she sees things that don't exist because she wants to explain the things that she doesn't understand or like or can't interpret, COVID being at home all the time or the job responsibilities, the the economic changes. And I think to some degree, as she is exploring, she's finding answers.

So that's why you're hearing a bunch of these questions that are digging a little deeper because I'm trying to get my mind around where do we cross not a bad line, but different lines because it could be a 100%. Right. And that's what you're hearing from me. It's, it's really trying to find out what you're thinking. Right. Well, I hope it doesn't fall into the category of conspiracy. No, no, no, no. What it what it's it's an analytical mind. It's analytics.

And the fact that you're telling me something and I'm saying, Okay, Are we finding it or are we that's the question. Are we finding it because we need it? The alternate the alternate the alternative is to say that it was all, you know, that we we, you know, and, you know, that that civilization sort of came into being and we kinda ambled along and we kinda, you know, we kinda progressed in fits and starts however we did it.

And, and and sometimes we got lucky and sometimes, you know, and we just, we kinda stumbled our way. Not a great story. Right? Well, I mean, it's, you know, maybe that's it. I mean, it's it's not a great story. I'm not I'm not I'm not so dogmatic as to say that this, you know, it it is it is one, one way of of looking at things, looking at the story of life and where we are holistically. And that's really what I'm And I am loving, I'm loving the story And it's an interesting story.

So I'm not coming at it from that perspective as I'm enjoying hearing how you've evolved. That's why I want to know how this came about. It was important for me to know that you were in a room in meditation and this epiphany came to you and you saw everything in a moment, a flash of of light to some degree where you traveled through time and you connected dots. And I'm assuming people have challenged you to maybe not the way I am, but they've challenged.

Okay. Is this a religious feeling or is this a something else feeling? And I don't know. I don't I mean, I think that I I have a feeling that scientists, with that when they finally when when a scientist may finally connect dots probably feels the same way. You know, I don't know if you call it religious or not. It's, and, So they're gonna dissect me and they're gonna say, see, this is what was wrong with him. To the wires were crossed.

So let's take on the evolutionary impulse humanity actually has a purpose. Right. And I think, I mean, I I I think you covered a lot. We're kind of we're kind of jumping back and forth here. Yeah. I think what, you know, so you have the, you know, the the universe needs to be I mean, as we said, it needs to be moving in a particular direction. Right? In order to get us to where we are. So in order to get it functioning as according to, this this DNA. Right?

Yeah. And so that requires a, a means by which that, that means by which, life or all of existence can, can, can move in a particular direction. And one way of describing that is the evolutionary impulse that is, that is sort of nudging in, in our context, in the context of humans and the, in the in the in the in the 20th 21st century is nudging us in the direction of of of expanding beyond this beyond the planet. Right?

So the it is not, you know, it's not, present in in everyone, but it's present, you know, it's it's present in enough people to make to make this transition. People are feeling this evolutionary impulse in all sorts of ways. It could also have to do with, how people treat other people. Right? How do we, how do we, you know, how how people take care of each other. And so this, and so it's an important element there of how do we care for and sustain the planet?

How do we take care of and and sustain each other? And of course, how do we how do we organize ourselves so that we can so that we can, move beyond this planet. When when you when you created when we created this title, humankind emerged on this planet to bring life to other planetary sources. Do you in your head, do you think always outside of our solar system into our galaxy? Do you think multiple galaxies? Do you think just getting off earth? Where do you spend most of your time thinking?

It's really about us and where we are right at this moment. Okay. It's really the only thing that is The the the near distant future, which could be Near distant future. Right. The the work at hand essentially is what, what occupies me. So there's a there's a sliver of time right now, that is really the only thing, you know, anything else is just, you know, interesting. At the at the great giant leap, I went around and asked people a question. When will we get to the moon?

Not even Mars. People weren't even discussing Mars at that time. At the same level there. Nothing like that. Guess what? The overall there was not one person. What was the earliest date we would be living on the moon that I was given? Oh, I don't know. 2050 something like that. No. It was it was 2030. That would we would never make it before 2030. That was the earliest. Most people were 20:30 5 before we get to the moon and live there. Okay. What do you think about that?

And and Elon wasn't even named then. I mean, we talked about dragons. I thought we were talking about, Game of Thrones. I didn't realize we were talking about rockets. Now do you when do you think that's a little happened earlier? You know, it it's it's hard to say. I mean, I I did, I I did actually did a webinar where we were, for beyond earth.

And, we asked, a group, Pete Warden, Mike Gold, and, Michelle Hanlon, what they thought, would be, when the first human settlement in space would, would occur. And, it was it was it was Laura Montgomery rather. Laura said, oh, 20 I think she said 2050 is the earliest. And, Mike Gold, you know, who's a senior executive now at NASA headquarters. So said it can't happen soon enough. And then Pete Warden said that, oh, we're gonna have that in 10 years because What is your thought?

I I think it's I I I 10 years, it seems ambitious. I haven't seen where that that's gonna happen. I think, I think 20, I I think, if you are it depends on what kind of level you're you're talking about. You know, if you have house or roof in a hut. A door of the moon hut. Yeah. A door or whatever. A box of what what it was, I was sitting with Bruce in Silicon Valley and, at restaurant, Stretch. And what there's 4 phases to project.

And the first one I said, well, he he had made a bunch of statements and I was kind of tired of all of the things that were going on. I did wasn't impressed by NASA. And I, after 9 hours being together over multiple days, over a few months, I said, Dan, would you like me to tell you how we should get to the moon? And he said, yeah. And I outlined a 4 phase approach. And the first one was we'd have to have a box of the roof on the moon.

And it was the Roger Bannister space that would open up insurance and banking capital. It wouldn't imagination. It will do a lot if we get there instead of everybody shooting like a shotgun, everybody doing their own thing, every country doing their own thing. We should all focus and collectively get this because it'll help everybody once it's achieved. And as we're walking out the door, he said, we don't need a box of the roof.

And there was an hour we went over things and I said, oh, I see in my head, I said, oh, I screwed up. And he said, David, now we need a box of the roof and a door. We need a home. And so about 2 years later, when I was meeting with NASA, we met every month now with a group for about, 5 years is he said, we've named your project project Moon Hut, a box with a roof and a door. So that's how you got his name. Well, and that's, you know, that's great.

And I think that what, I mean, that's and we we need to talk more about beyond earth because beyond earth is looking to develop the the policy underpinning that would support that kind of, an initiative. And if it's got NASA funded, it sounds like it has NASA funding. No. No. We're not we're not NASA funded. We are David Goldsmith funded and a lot of money for to fund this. So NASA is just like the Japanese space agencies and the Indian and and European Space Agency.

We are, we have people all over the world helping us. We are actually there are more people outside of the US than there is in the US, a lot more who are helping us. So let's go on to number 4 then. No. This is great. Along here a little bit. No. No. That that's fine. No. Because is there something more you want to add to that? We have a purpose or do you want to say that the purpose is DNA?

Because I thought you were going to say we have a purpose and our purpose is x. But you're really saying that the DNA and everything with it. So is there anything at to add to that evolutionary impulse? Right. I think that the, I I think we could, if we can move on to, you know, we we we can talk about the 6 endowments. Yeah. That's what I figured before. How do we how do we know humanity How do we know this? Then this gets back to, right.

And this, this gets back to, this gets back to what I, I, I, I was speaking about earlier in, in terms of, in Indeed, sort of like sort of like Darwin saying, okay, well, I have this idea that, evolution is a thing. How do I, you know, how how how do we put together sort of a model that sort of can sort of point to it?

And so what we looked at, what I looked at was what are the, what are the, the traits that, that have, that make human who, you humans uniquely human from the rest of the, of the animal kingdom. And, we, I, I, I characterize these in, in 6, what I call 6 endowments. Right? And so these are and I'll just go through these kind of briefly at the into a certain extent. They're Remember I'm writing. They're they're obvious. Right?

So to a certain extent, there's not gonna be you'll you'll recognize them. Right? So so first we are, first we are the wanderer. Right? Yeah. Meaning that we are, we are, looking for new hunting grounds, but not just new hunting grounds. We're willing to expand, and move and travel great distances, with our community as explorers.

Once, once, once, humans, got on the go, if you will, from the cradle of civil or from the plains of Africa, once we started to expand, it did not take us more than a few 1000 years to cover the entire globe. So, we are wanderers, right? So, and that's what we've done and we continue to do that, right?

So we we've been explorers and, old, all the way up to where, we're very, and we've always, we've always looked up and what is over the next Hill and what is over the, what is on the other side of that ocean? You know So is that number 2 looked up? No, no, no, no. That's still the one. The wanderer. Okay. Yeah. So, and then of course, you know, that that leads naturally to it looking up and wandering where we're eager to wander beyond earth as well. Next is a settler.

So, so the settler is one that says, Oh, okay, wait a minute. I wandering is great, but you know, we've gotta, we gotta, we gotta create, a little, we gotta create a little community for, for all our people in, in our tribe or whatever it is. And we've gotta set up things so we can protect ourselves from the outside world. Right? So it was really with the settler instinct where we created a hut, right? We created, things that protected us from the, from the animal kingdom. Right?

Because we, you know, you had to be careful about that. That was our beginnings of our being settlers. And then once we're settled, then we we create we we became problem solve you know, we were also problem problem solvers and, we we, and got better and better at at at settling and protecting ourselves and so forth. And and what I would what I would say is it was really from that moment that we became space settlers.

Because what it's interesting, it ties right back to what you were talking about. We the first time we built a hut in the middle of a, in in the middle of the forest so that people could go inside that hut and be protected from the outside environment Yeah. We became space settlers. Because we were set, we, we were protect, you know, and that is what has driven us all the rest of the time.

And, and, and, and in a sense, it's, it's, I mean, people will say it's unfortunate because we're, we are so separated from nature. Right? Most of us spend all of our, the vast, vast majority of people spend all of their time in the, in the built environment. Right? We rarely go into, you know, into the wilderness.

Yeah. We don't, we don't, I I just had this conversation while I was on the ladder with Laurie, and I said, you know, I wonder what a horse would say when we're doing all this work to take care of the home. And they say, you know, we're just out here. We have a coat on. I spend time with my friends. I get to eat. We travel around, and you are there scraping and painting your house. Like, is that a life? It's well, it's exactly.

And the thing is, you know, we we've gotten very good at building ourselves apart from apart from nature, which is people will say that's unfortunate, but I will say that that was absolutely necessary. We had to do that. We had to separate ourselves so that we could continue the process of building these things. So, so that's the settler that that need to, to coalesce.

And also, if we look back on the, on the terms expansion and complexity, these traits, the wanderer is the expansion trait going outward, the, the masculine and then the settler is the complexity trait and the settler is feminine in in in gen very broad general terms. To the next, the next We care we have to be careful and I'm not saying this in a bad sense. We've we are we've more been aware of the diversity of the event of gender. Right. Well, the the yeah.

And we don't need obviously, we're talking about to go into that, but it's an interesting take that we're even adding the complexity there too, is that while we, the discussion has always been about male, female, is that we only, we have 2 symbols. I don't know if there are 9 symbols. 9, 9. Well, I draw, when you say settler, I draw the female symbol for male and the female symbol for female. So I'm actually drawing that near the words that you have. So we only have a male and a female symbol.

What would be the mixed gender? What what are these other genders represented by was the what came to mind? I don't know if we have them. I'm not sure what you're asking. You know how a, a fee when you go a female is a, a circle head with a cross on it, and a male is a circle with an arrow going up. Right. There's 2 symbols that we see in our lives. Right. But we have multiple genders. There's more complexity to humankind than just 2 genders. Does that make sense?

So what I'm saying is I agree with you. I'm not sure. So I I just It's a complexity. It's a complexity that we haven't embraced, and now we're spending more time on planet Earth looking at diversity of gender. So there's even a complexity there too. So I'm agreeing with you in terms of how we're exploring this this whole complexity component. So I'm saying there's more complexity there. That's how. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, certainly.

And obviously, you know, this is where we're trying to draw, you know, broad distinctions here, you know, and, obviously there's, you know, you know, certainly women could be much more effective wanderers and, men could be settlers. So it's not in the sense, it's not, it's, it's not masculine and feminine and in the gender sense that, you know, and I, so, but just to, just, just to continue, I think, let me, let me move, move along.

So you, so then we're, we're wanderers, we're settlers, now we're inventors. Right? And so this is where you get into the whole notion. Now we're, we're, we're problem solvers. We're able to, you know, obviously they make simple tools, but simple tools turn into more eventually, we figure out better tools and better ways of doing things and how to build better huts and stronger huts and and, and eventually, buildings and and and all that.

So you understand that the inventor is the always thinking of better ways of doing things. Right? And, and if you have this trait, right, you're, oh, you know, right? It's, it's, it's extremely useful over time because you're just always going to, yeah, things, you know, life will generally get better for the, for the people and that's kind of what's been happening.

And again, I think of this as an expansion trait so that the, you know, the inventor is sort of, you know, kind of wandering in his mind trying to solve the, the problems as he sees them and so forth. And, and then the, the other side, the complexity side, match to that is the builder. Right? And so the builder then is now taking the invention and now they're the electrician, the bricklayer, the, you know, the person who's now replicating, that which has been invented. Right?

And then they are basically the creators. They're the creative, true creators of civilization because they're taking these, Oh, that's a great idea. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, reproduce that many, many times over. And, so, and again, this is, it's sort of this dance between the inventor and the builder, you know, with the inventor creating things and the builder then reproducing those things over time.

And it's been very, it's it's it's gotten to us that that that's more than anything has gone to us where we are today. Then we have, then we have beyond the inventor, we have the visionary on the expansion, on the expansion scale, if you will. So this is somebody who, is more than a problem solver, is someone who sees the, who who sees the possibilities in the future. Right? Can Can visualize a whole new city, can visualize a whole new, way of doing things.

So we, you know, we have a lot of visionaries in our life today. You know, historically it might've been visionary leaders who, who saw, great empires, much to the chagrin of the people they may be dominating, but they are visionaries. They see, they see a world that they dominate or they see great cities, with libraries and, and, and, and great temples. And, you know, so the, the, the it's really the visionary who's able to tap into that.

Science fiction writers of today, obviously are, are visionaries are creating whole new worlds. We're visionaries because we see, you know, we see that we could build a hut on the moon or we can build a space colony in free space and we can work towards that. And then there's the, then on the complexity side, there's the, there's the protector.

And this is a, this is not the, the protector who stands guard in front of the hut, more so the protector who sees the risks that, that may, sees the risks that may impact their community or their larger society. And they are willing to do what they need to do to, to mitigate those risks.

And so these are, these are the, people who will build, who, who will maybe build a great wall, a China, or they will have built, they, they, they will, they will put together a fire department that would protect, protect the community or they, they are working to, they're working in the near earth orbiting objects program, trying to figure out ways to, well, figure out ways to, protect us from, well, not only errant asteroids, but, but, orbital debris man made.

So they had, and this is, this is very important for, it's a very important aspect of our culture and that we, if we're protected, we can move forward. If we're protected civilization can continue to move forward. In, in your narrative, and which is a little project Moonhut's fa the foundation, ours is to improve life on earth for all species. Does your protector protect the human DNA for the, expulsion out into space or does it also protect mother earth? Well, they would look at right.

So so the protector would look on the idea of space settlement as a way to, as a way to, diversify our population. Alright. So they're interested in maintaining our life that emerged on this planet. So they're, they're, they're gonna say, okay, we've gotta build this thing because it's gonna protect our people. And you hear that argument, I think you you hear you do hear that argument quite quite quite often.

Stephen Hawking specifically said that that we need in order to ensure our our, survival, we we're going to need to move off this planet. So they are the ones that are that are doing that. And they're also the ones that are looking, you know, living off the the planet is a highly risky undertaking. And so they're the ones that are gonna be most concerned about safety and about, you know, radiation protection and how do we, you know, guard against these, these hazards.

And so they're the ones that are gonna be most pushing for those, those kinds of things. Because we want to be able to go when we go into space, we want it to be in a way that is, you know, that that that is not highly risky. 1 in a way that is, where where where people can feel this high degree of reliability and comfort and so forth. When do you go ahead. Go ahead. Well, yeah. So you've got these, you've got these the 6 endowments. Right?

And the important thing, in in examining these, conclusions I draw and and looking at these 6 endowments is that not only were they absolutely essential or needed for us to, to go from, you know, the plains of Africa to, to to our our advanced sophistication where we are today.

But they were the they they were the very, they're the very traits that if you were to create a, a species that was responsible for, building seed pods to getting us off this planet, these are the traits that you would want them to have. Right? Mhmm. So, so it's it's it's again, it's it's it's it's interpreting what's it's it's it's interpreting what's what's there. Right? So that every every person has some of, some elements, some of these endowments in them. Right. So right.

So if you I mean, they're not, they're not personality traits, and then No. Try not to I try not to I don't. I I see them as as a propensity. A propensity. Right. So you might see yourself. So you might say, you know what? I'm I'm the visionary or I'm the builder. I'm the guy that I'm the guy that gets it done, you know, kind of thing. You need, you know, and, it is, and you also have, right.

And I I, I mean, you can get you can be interesting to go down this road where, you know, people have maybe have a primary, primary, endowment and maybe a secondary endowment, you know, and that kind of thing. So you you you can see people that you know or that you or you yourself in in these in these traits. What what are you? You knew that was coming. Come on, come on. It wasn't even a trick question. I know I I'd have to. You're trying to avoid it. You wanted to move on. And I just.

No, no, no. I'd have to, I'd have to put myself in the, the visionary, category. Just in terms of just seeing, a future possibility. But I need, you know, I, you know, visionaries need inventors and builders and settlers need all the others to actually, bring this all about. I I I am. But I'm not saying this in a negative sense. I'm saying this in positive sense. I I I believe with what you've described, this is all of Project Moon Hunt. You I think you did cover, and I have to think about more.

Mhmm. But the entire construct covers all 4, all 6 of them. Mhmm. And and it's I I believe it does. Yeah. Mhmm. And I I there's a guy James Vagnan, v a g h a n. He does amazing work, artwork and graphics. And we spoke about 4 hours the other day. And his comment was that Project Moon Tut appears to be an all encompassing plan that covers everything from earth and the different types of people on earth to to space and everything else.

And I think what you did here is and I'm not complimenting project moon out is I think you hear very eloquently and and and specifically gave 6 different endowments, you call them, or 6 different propensities that are necessary for a complete not governance, but as you used that word earlier, but a complete human capability to thrive. Does that make sense? Yes. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And I think that this is this this is, you know, these are the things that we collectively have, you know, And, that are part of who we are. And like you said, I think I'd probably say that that there's a tendency, amongst everybody to have all of these things, but they, but some of these, some of these tendencies expressed more strongly in some people than in others kinda. Quick quick jump. We can come back to, where we are.

Do you believe based upon your DNA and that could be multiple multiverses and multiple other species be or creatures being formed around the universe, they would also have these 6. So it's not human. It's not human. You have it as we know human has a purpose of 6 endowments. It's that any any creature, any life formed from the complexity of since the beginning of time would have these 6 endowments.

Yes. I think if, or something very similar to it, maybe because of the nature of the, that particular world, maybe they might need something else, but I think these, these are the things. So, so for example, you know, humans could have emerged and we could have just continued to be just a bipedal, you know, creature. Maybe our frontal lobe expanded, but we didn't necessarily have to build a civilization, did we? You know, you know, but, but we, but we, but we did that.

But yes, so these, these are, these are not only those, those traits that allow, allowed us to thrive as a species, but it's also the traits that have brought us to the brink, the very threshold of becoming a multi planetary species. Is that an accident? I don't know. That's what, other people.

It's an interesting question because you're coming up with these 6. I immediately took it to the universe and now I'm saying, okay, so any any form that develops into a complex structure as known that can be self aware, I bet that's a I guess self awareness might have to somehow be in this. Right. I didn't try to it may not be comprehensive.

You know Does that have to be comprehensive, but self aware to be able to I mean, I don't think you can do all 6 of these if you don't have a a little bit of self awareness. Right, right. And I think, you know, I was thinking, well, you know, humans are curious. Well, maybe should curiosity be in there? You know, so, but I, you know, I think that that's, I'm not saying your 6 I'm not saying your 6 aren't self awareness is different in my opinion than these 6.

These 6 are more tied to actions that are taken in the endowment, not in the not in the creature's ability to be able to perform. So you're you're I'm trying to separate them. Does that make sense? Right. And and self awareness, I mean, we don't know exactly when self awareness occurred, you know, were we were we self aware when we were making simple tools or Look at my, my wife will tell you that I'm not self aware today. So maybe, maybe I need a few more 1000 years.

But this does, get to the point, of the, of the 7th endowment. So you you had one in there, the human kinds obligations, and then you have the 7th endowment. So Right. So the, right. So all of this is pointing, I mean, I, you know, the, these endowments are actions collectively as a society over time. And, are, are pointing to, if you just wanna look at our actions and not look at our internal desire, these actions are pointing us in this direction. Right? Up until, what's today?

Today is September 28th. September 28th, 29th. Some places it's 29, but we'll take 28. Yeah. So we're even up to today, all of our actions have have brought us to the brink. Now that's not going into space is not the only thing that we're doing. You know, and I think that the, that isn't our only raison d'etre.

I think that we, we're serving probably serving other purposes, by developing, the digital world and by developing, a progeny in the form of artificial intelligence and you know, where that will take. And so, they, you know, the, it's a more complex, more nuanced role, I would say that we play, but I'm saying amongst that which we are, are have been put here to do one of those things certainly is to, is to carry the seats that we have gone to this point.

And through this, what I call this, we feel the sense of urgency, the sense of, the sense of desire is coming from this evolutionary info impulse, which is which is informing, you know, and and there's no other way for me to describe it. And I know it's getting woo woo and I I apologize for that. No. No. You you you used 2 amazing words. You said urgency and I said, no. No. Definitely. I have an urgency. Yeah. And then I said desire. Do I have a desire?

But I'm drawn to keep on working on this project. So to look at me individually, I don't have a love of it, but I can't stop. Right. There's an urgency there. And I I've tried to stop myself, in in the past for brief periods of time. Say, what the hell? Why am I bothering to do that? And I think a lot of a lot of advocates have asked themselves that over, I asked my it was just a day or 2 ago. I said, why am I bothering with all this work?

And today, I just signed up to have between 100 to 500 students around the world all the way up to university level work with Project Moon Hut. And I said to myself when I'm done, what am I doing? We have enough people working on this, and we're now gonna work with an organization that wants to bring on 500, middle school to university students to help us work on this. And I I I I just so those two words were perfect. You I don't think you went to a weird space.

You went to a place that made me take a breath and sit backwards and say, oh my god. That's You were perfect. I'm and sit backwards and say, oh my god. That's You were perfect. Mhmm. And so that is the it is, it is an it is an obligation that we feel. Right? And I think that it is a, I think we need to begin to, you know, look at it that way.

It helps to look at what we're doing as, as an essential element of the evolution of the life that emerged on this planet of which we are part and parcel of that evolutionary process. You know, we are, and we, we can't avoid being part of it, right? So there's, you know, I mean, evolution is ongoing and we're, and we're part of life and that therefore we're, we're part of that ongoing process.

And I think that, that kinda gets to, and I spoke a little bit about this twin obligation that, you know, we reach out, right? And so ultimately the planetary expansion or expanding beyond our planet, what is that? That is the expansion principle at work, right? Yeah. To get off this planet. And then of course the planetary stewardship, what is that? That is the coming in and the complexity that is gonna be required to heal the planet again. Right?

So these 2, so these 2 yin yang, these are 2 two matching harmonic, activities for humanity that we need to, we need to, embrace collectively and and get over any kind of, discussion or argument that there's a difference between that and, so that we can move forward. And I think, part of this, and this is sort of the 7th endowment that I, that I, I bring up. And I think this has to do, this gets back to my, you know, dark night of the soul moment, if you will.

It is that becoming, you know, that, that becoming conscious, that conscious that we are part of this evolutionary process. And by, by becoming conscious of that, we can then help to propel it even further, more, more, more, more efficiently and, you know, kinda stop all of the, the, the difficulties and the, you know, the, you know, all the all the things that might get that block us from getting there.

So, and that's what we call the conscious evolver, you know, that this we need to be, you know, you talk about the homosapiensapien, you know, it's, you know, we, we need to be conscious that we have been on this path and for, for many, many years and we need to fulfill this.

And once we fulfill that, both the planetary stewardship and the human expansion beyond earth, you know, then we can we can kind of there could be we can kind of settle into that if you will, for for for a time as a as as as a civilization.

Because I think a lot of the, a lot of the unrest, well, this is where, you know, I'm, I'm woefully speculating and, you know, where the, a lot of the unrest is the fact that we're, we're, we continue to, to remain on this planet as on a single planet, which is, kind of stretching at the seams on so many, in so many ways, political and otherwise.

And that once we can get that foothold in space, on the moon and elsewhere as, as a civilization, There'll be a release of of this of this tension, and hopefully that will have an impact, geopolitically. And that's all I got, man. No. No. No. It's the it's not all you you'd when when I reach out to someone to be on a podcast, and I think you know, have already experienced this, I'm looking to have that experience that I learned something from. I think you can get that.

It's not just a, I wanna have a podcast that's gonna be every week and I'm gonna put on anybody I can. There is a deliberate timing that says, I am interested. If I'm not interested in a topic, you won't be on because I'm not trying to fill a week. We want we want real good material. And the first time reaching out to you, it's been, what, 3 months, 4 months since we started this conversation. And I expected this to be very, very heavily governance oriented. Because we talked about governance.

We we had this whole discussion about governance, and it's part of the Project Moon Hut's 3 3rd module, which is governance. And it's so surprising and and interesting that you took me on a journey in a place I never it I'm not a gambler. I got married. I've owned businesses. Some people would say that's gambling. But I've I never would have thought you would have taken me here. Never. And you, I'm I'm gonna say you really have to learn.

I think there would be a value in understanding Project Moon Hut because I think you could be a huge contributor in a very positive sense because we are covering you just talked about political. So we have 6 meta challenges, climate change, mass extinction, explosive imbalance, social displacement, resource depletion, and political unrest. Not the 17 SDGs are very difficult for me to remember which one is which, and I don't think I know anybody who remember all 17.

You kind of touched on with your mother earth and so I I think it was I think it was brilliantly done. I I had, an unbelievably great journey going through this with you. Well, good. Good. And obviously, this is, this is a philosophical exploration of mine. Certainly invite I mean, there is there is a website if you go, the obligation book.com.

I invite people to go on this journey, but I'm also, you know, very much, grounded in in, otherwise grounded in in the, in in policy discussion through beyond earth. And there's a lot of work, to be done. Hopefully, we'll be able to work with you guys, on on that. And of course, Basecom. Spacecom is very b to b, you know, where is the where is the dollar to be made in space, you know, right now? And, and all of these are important important aspects.

And then again, if, if this, this philosophical way of thinking, inspires anybody to say, or feel a little bit more right about what they're doing, then I think it's useful. I would say, I I would, if I, if you don't mind, I'd reframe that. If this gives someone a better understanding of a perspective that helps contribution, helps community to live together, helps the global citizenship and the, and I always go after all species on earth, I think then that's a value.

Because it's a lot of what you've drawn up also will be challenging for some people to get their mind around. It's you've you've even just the beginning is a tough one to there's a big bang, second later, 3 seconds later, and everything exists and every molecule exists in the whole planet and there's a DNA. So there's a lot of leaps of faith in what you're saying. So I think that, just to be able to So, I wanna thank everybody out there who took the time to listen in today.

I hope that you learn something today that will make a difference in your life, the lives of others, and the future of, all species on earth.

So once again, the Project Moon Hot Foundation is we are looking to establish a box with a roof and a door on the moon, a moon hot named by Manasa, through the accelerated development of earth and space based ecosystem so that we get there faster, then use those endeavors, that paradigm shifting, those innovations to kind of relate back to what we just talked about back onto earth or mother earth to improve how we live on Earth for all species or to to make the mother whole again in a way that the only way we can do that according to what we've heard today is to step off our, planet Earth.

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I also hear about we're going to be going to planets far beyond and everywhere else in the world, and I say, okay, is that our lifetime? I wanna be more pragmatic here. We're looking at infinite possibilities and infinite resources through our podcast. We're making it real for everybody. And our podcast is brought to you by the Project Moon Hand Foundation.

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David, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Glad to be here. Steve, is the deputy executive director of Spacecom. He's the co founder of Beyond Earth Institute. You can look all this up online. And just in our little pre conversation, I real I was told I was informed where we actually met. The Steve and I met in my first ever my first ever space conference in 2014 in Hawaii at the Great Giant Leap.

Now to give you a sense of this, I knew nothing about space and it would be the equivalent of showing up at a PHD conference in the wrong language. We're talking about dragons and thrusters and kilograms and and traveling. And I I was I was as lost as can be. I felt like after the 1st day I was typing as fast as possible, I felt like the 13th warrior within Antonio Banderas is if you've ever seen it where he figures out a language by listening to other people speak.

And through that event, one of the people I met was Steve. So thank you, Steve, for reminding me of that. That was amazing. Yeah. No, it was it was a great, great experience, a very auspicious. It was, I was very fortunate to go there and actually I was invited out to that conference to talk about this, this very topic. My, the book that it was based that these thoughts are based on, had just come out. So, I was invited out there.

I'm not sure if you caught that, my my session, but, but I I remember one there were a few things I remember from that event. The first buzz Aldrin was there. The guy who put the rover on the comet out of France was there. These were a lot of people who've been in space forever. Oh, yeah. And Hank Hank was there. Who was was he Tetris guy? He he owns Tetris. Rogers. Yep. Yeah. And Rogers. And I think if you remember me, I was the one saying, no, that won't work. And no, that won't work.

And no, that won't work. So it was an it was really a neat event. So I don't remember if I saw yours or not. To me, the whole event was surreal. I I stepped out of Earth into this meeting. And No. It was it was it was phenomenal. It was very, very, very technically oriented.

And, I had the distinct honor, I guess, I, at least I feel that, that it was an honor to, to give a, a presentation prior to the opening ceremonies of the, of the program, where we talked about, you know, what is it that motivates humankind to want to expand beyond earth, right? So it was, it was time to discuss, take a moment to talk about the philosophy of that which is motivating us, before the conference of course, dug into a lot of highly technical things. So it was a great opportunity.

Opportunity. It was, an unbelievable event. And for me to be there was just, I was the odd man out on the the cruise. So I'm assuming you have an outline for the 2 of us. So tell me, I'm assuming you have an outline. Can you give it to me, please? Please? Yes. So the outline the outline is, first, how it all began. The big bang and the principles of expansion and complexity. Wait. How it all began? The big the big bang. And I'm gonna put dot, dot, dot, blank. It's a very narrow topic, obviously.

Yeah. Well, no. No. The big bang, what was the rest of it? The big bang? Big bang and the principles of expansion and complexity. Principles expansion and complexity. Okay. Next. Next is the story of a maturing Earth. Maturing Earth. That was an easy one. Next. Mhmm. Next. The evolutionary impulse hyphen. Humanity, humanity actually does have a purpose. Actually has a purpose. Mhmm. Okay. Next. Next. How do we know humanity has a purpose? The 6 endowments. Humanity has a purpose.

I'm gonna write an essay here. The 6th and 6 endowments. Okay. Next. What are humanities or humankind's obligations? Okay. Obligations. Okay. Next. And what is the 7th endowment and why is it so important? The 7th endowment. And why is it so important? I feel like 7 eaves. Okay. Now, which I've what I've shared with you is that I don't know anything about what we're going to talk about today. I don't have we've never discussed it. I have a piece of paper in front of me. Help me.

Teach me teach me this. Let's start with number 1. How it all be, how it all began. Mhmm. The the big bang and the principle of exponential principle of exponential and complexity. Right. So, you know, when, we're talking about the, you know, what is, what is that which is driving humankind to want to expand beyond earth? And in contemplating this question, really over over I literally over a lifetime.

I don't know why I've haven't been able to let this go, but, you know, as you as you as with many things, as you peel back the layers of the onion, you know, you start to see patterns. And in this case, in order to explain that one little that one little motive internal motivation, the story really gets very very big and actually encompasses the entire universe.

And if you will bear with me, we'll maybe be able to connect all the dots my mind my mind is racing trying to figure out where you're gonna go. So yes, so no we we you know And we all know, the story of of the big bang 140000000 years ago The, the universe began. Right? And it was, in the big bang. And it was a cloud of undifferentiated particles in a, a, a, a, extraordinarily small fraction of a second.

All of matter that exists today in the universe was released in that single in that single moment. And, and what happened during that period? What happened during that period? Immediately, the the, the two aspects of that event, 2 aspects of that event. 1 was is that the particles were expanding. Right? Yeah. And we're still expanding today. Right? We know that the scientists tell us that the universe is continuing to expand. Based upon trajectory and distances that are happening. And distances.

Right. We know we we we know this from science. And then we also know that almost immediately within literally 3 minutes, the first, well, within less than a second, the the undifferentiated particles began to coalesce into identifiable subatomic particles. Within 3 minutes of the big bang, there was there was the first atoms appeared in in the universe. And so and and ever since then, of course, it's been a process of increasing complexity. Right?

So Adam's Cole Adam's Adam's coalesced into into molecules, gathered into rocky bodies, gathered into stars, and planets, and galaxies. And then ultimately, ultimately, the, the, these on rocky planets that were bombarded by, by, by, molecule fragments from exploding stars, and so forth. Life emerged out of that process, right? So it's, so we know 2 things from this that, that, that the universe is expanding and it's and has been increasing in complexity.

And so and we will be returning to this as we continue our discussion. Okay. And now I've got a question here before we go. Go ahead. The one thing, I had how we had Howard Blubaugh just recently. And this whole thing that we all know always gets me to say, I'm not sure we know. We assume we know. I mean Well, the the theories. The the the the the the the the the the the The theories. It it's they're just this topic alone to believe we there was nothing and then there was something.

I don't believe the human mind can completely comprehend that. Well, right. And you could, well, and and right. We could get into actually a very long, conversation, I suppose, on the on, on the theory of the big bang. But we can, but I think that if you just look at even even not even going back that far, if you look at the evolution of the universe, we can see that it's been that that it is expanding. So that seems to be things like to expand.

And this is really my my essential point is things like to expand and then things like to move towards, complexity. Right? So, you know, so so and then that kinda gets us to the story of But but things like to expand is is a hypothesis in and of itself because I don't know if everything likes to expand. So does everything I mean, when you say it that way Well, you were talking about a a universal tendency. Right?

So not every you know, when you, not everything is a certain way, but there are there there is universal tendencies. And that's really that's what we're gonna be talking about here is brought is is general tendencies. So we're talking because Rick, because you because when you talk about when you talk about the human motivation, just back to human motivation to expand into outer space. Well, as we well know, you and aim you and I feel that immensely. Right?

That desire, that passion and all that. But we know that there are a lot of people out there that don't feel that way at all, you know, and don't see it, don't get it. So, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say that there's a tendency, right, towards expansion and towards expansion beyond earth. Right? And that sort of that that tendency actually has to overcome other kinds of, tendencies or actually I don't call them tendencies, inertia. Right?

So there's there's inertia that is keeping us sort of anchored here on this planet. And so this tendency to expand outward or desire to expand outward has to overcome the the the the the the opposite, efforts and opposite inertia.

So if I was to reframe this because I'm trying to make sure that I've got your angle on this sort of way to to grasp that is The it's not that the universe wants to expand or it go that it wants to go to complexity is what you're saying is we have discovered that because it was a bang, the universe is expanding. So therefore we are stuck in 1,000,000,000 of years of expansion. That's where we go. Our our universe will continue to expand until it doesn't.

And then on the complexity side, we have seen through time that from a what you said, the the molecules turning into atoms and part separate time particles and then atoms is that we have seen that a complexity is continually forming. Therefore, we can continue to believe that complexity will continue to form. I say that right? Essentially. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's been and, yes. And and these are and I would and I'm, you know, I'm postulating here, obviously, is that, or yep.

That these are, these are tendencies that are that are at work. Right? That have been at work in the universe from the beginning and they're at work, now they were at work in the evolution of the planet and life that is on the planet. So Okay. Yes. So that that I can That's it. That's it. Yeah. So what I want to say is that we tend to gravitate toward a complexity is probably to say that we are we see a complexity continue and we know we're expanding, so therefore that will continue.

There's there's nobody stopping that or nothing stopping that. So we can put that into our formulaic reasoning that it will continue for at least a few more 1000000000 years. Right, right. And we'll, as we walk through this, I'll return to this as well.

We'll talk about examples of expansion and complexity and how it works and how this is sort of, I mean, it is also, you know, it is also the basis of the, of of the opposites, you know, that it is in a way the the the yin and yang of the universe, the male, the female. There is, you know, the the expansion is is the male outwardness. The the, you know, wanting to go out and the complexity is the female, is the nesting, is the is is is that aspect.

So it's like, how do we coalesce and protect and so forth. Oh, wow. So I I had never ever thought of it in that way. Mhmm. You brought in 22 distinct yin and yang, yang yang. So now you've got that they're that they need 1 h. I don't know if they need Right. So I think the root of this the root of this, even though you could look at it from a you could look at it from a, a, a cosmological standpoint, but also the, ultimately this is, is influencing, the, the balance of the universe as well.

The universe is balanced by its, its ability to expand outward and then to, and then to become complex. And I wouldn't just say contract or through gravity, but through, some, you know, complexity, meaning not just, not just dirt clumping together after all, you know, particles didn't just clump together. They came together to form something more complex that ultimately resulted in in life and all sorts of other good things. Okay. I'm I'm following you.

Okay. Okay. Okay. No, no. It's it's great because I might what happens, just so you know, if you knew me, you know me now for 6 years, I didn't realize that, is my mind immediately just hits, an explosion of ideas. And so I'm saying, okay, how does that work? How does the complexity gravity pulls atoms or some type of forces pull them together so they create? How was that creation?

So I just went through like evolutionary biology, gi, all in my head in a matter of a few seconds to say, where does it interact and where does it? So I'd like to hear more. Mhmm. Good. Well, so the, you know, this, and so the evolution, as I mentioned, the the universe could, carries on the, the massive clouds of, of gas and, and, and atoms ultimately form into galaxies and stars and, and planets, right? And then eventually of course, planets, particularly our planet.

Now we'll just focus on our planet is seeded with, what, what's called the, it's called star stuff. Right? That, supposedly the building blocks of life, you know, fall into the primordial soup, shake well and out pops, out pops life. And, and, the and and then and then we see and I don't and then we see from that emergence of life on earth. Right? And, the however that mechanism works, which we we just saw the whole other No.

No. So so I I wanna know what because it is seeded with this stuff of stars. So the I I get that that all these particles came together. So we came from the universe after the big bang, and I had to come from there. Do you believe As Carl Sagan tells us. Right? Yeah. Yes. Carl Sagan. I asked. If do you believe your personal belief that this, as you call it, soup of life, the soup, has it created life like humankind anywhere else or creatures that can do the types of things that we can do?

What's your thought? Yeah. I believe I I believe that it has. I believe that just just speaking very, very generally that once the conditions for life exist, and I can't imagine that we are unique amongst planets and anywhere in the universe, once it can and and and I don't know what the range of the conditions that are that are requisite would be. But once those conditions are right, I I think that yes, that that life does emerge. There is a tendency.

Again, it gets to this this complexity thing. Eventually, things get complex to the point of of, of, of creating life. Right. So I do, I, I do, I do think that that it, it is something that, When you, when you look up at night, you say there's something or somebody or some something out there. Yes. Yes. Yeah. The only difference is that their knees bend backwards. Right. It may be something like that. Exactly. It might be. And and yeah.

And, and whether they're, you know, whether they're already here or whether, you know Oh, okay. There are 100, you know, whether, you know, other questions like that, I just sort of put to the side because, you know, I I it's not I I haven't seen the you know I haven't seen an you know I haven't seen the proof. And and hopefully we'll see proof at some point that life exists. Hopefully we'll see proof that life exists in this solar system. Mhmm. That alone would be a game game changer.

We just realized we just saw that, is a that signs of life were apparent in the gas of Venus. And how awesome is that if if that were to be the case? I I I saw that a little bit. Can you just I I'm assuming you read a bunch a lot about this. Can you give me a little bit of what they found? Yeah. No. And I'm not the right person for that. No. That's okay. Just just the talking.

Yeah. No. It it there's there's a chemical signature that the scientists were able to detect within the within the clouds of Venus that implied that they were, that, that that could only have been produced or I shouldn't say only, that that that it was possible. It was a type of thing that life forms would would create. You know? So I, you know, I think we're talking about microbial Mhmm. Life if if if it's there or at all.

So and that's really the extent I I would not I I I would say and to say anything more would would probably, you know, really not not do the the real reports any service. I encourage people to look that up. Well, I I I, you know, there's only so much you could look up. One of the challenges that I face, there's a whole group of individuals, putting in classification. I don't wanna do too much of a broad brush who believe that we are the creatures of the universe and that's it and that we go out.

But then there are others who believe there's life in other places. And I I really do wonder what will happen behaviorally, psychologically to identify that it could be some that there could be life someplace else? And if there is, does that change the meaning of our lives? If if Right. If there's a religious connotation to somebody's thinking, how can that be? Because if there's a small one, maybe there's a big one.

You know, it changes everything because would this be the only planet that has religion? Does nobody else have religion? Or would we be as would humans be egocentric to say, well, then this would have been the beginning Mhmm. And others would have been later. So I think that's a that's a huge on this topic, that would be a huge On this. Game changer. Yeah. Oh, it would. And and and I I suspect that it it will. I I would be surprised if we do not encounter intelligent life. Certainly life.

I don't know if it's going to happen in our lifetime. But this also speaks to the, sort of the premise of what I'm talking, what, what I'm relaying here. And it, it is this, the next point if you see here well, let me let me just continue Okay. Continue a little bit on the the maturing earth. Yeah. And and and it does have to get to this notion of life, the emergence of life. Right?

So that there is a there is there is a pattern for existence that that I would that I would I would put forth that is, is determinant of how, how not only how the universe evolves and, and and forms and the mechanisms that, that, that are involved in the creation of galaxies and stars and so forth, but how this also ultimately plays a part in the in the create creating the opportunities for for life to emerge.

And that this this is how the universe comes into being and how and how life emerges in within the universe is something that was present at the moment of the creation of the universe. Right? The moment of the big bang. So Let's let's slow down for a minute. Yeah. Yeah. No. This is the heavy this is the heavy part because Yeah. Well, I obviously, I just put the hammer down. It's like, wait. Right. So you're just trying to do the summary. You can help me with this.

You're saying that you believe that the from the inception 14,000,000,000 years ago, and I always forget that number. I don't know why. 14,000,000,000 years ago, that the that inception also meant inherently that there'll be an inception of eventually, there'll be the creation of, creatures, species on this planet. You believe they're connected. That's right.

That there would be, and and and I I the analogy that we can use is the, you know, life at, a child, an infant whatever, a fetus comes from comes from nothing. Right? And it's, it's just a little bit of DNA code that mushes together. There's nothing there essentially. And, but there's a code. Right? It's a code to terms and determines what that, you know, adult, being will be like in many, many ways. Not every way, but in many ways.

And I think just as we have that kind of a DNA, I would say that there is a DNA of a kind that, that informs the evolution of, of the universe. So And therefore and therefore it informs all aspects of that. And, and if if I may So just add clarity. Are you saying it that in that DNA it was going to be on earth or that it would just happen someplace? Right. I would say that it would happen someplace. Right?

So we know that, well, and like a seed, like a like a like a tree, for example, an acorn is planted, you know, no 2 trees are alike. The branches twist this way and they twist that way. You know, probably no 2 gallic no 2 universes are alike. Right? I'm not talking about, multiverse theories. Right? So if you have, you know, galaxies will form this way and that way and clusters of galaxies will form this, you know, in in in any variety of ways.

And then the conditions, but but overall, the conditions for life are ultimately met. And then once those conditions for life are are met, therefore, life is allowed to emerge. And and and then, you know, use once once life emerges, then we begin the process of the planetary ecosystem, coming into being, right, and coming into being and maturing. And I don't think it's, you know, it's it on one sense, it's kinda hard to sort of think in those terms.

And another sense, we we so readily, are willing to, accept that life were to form, life is is able to form on other other planets and other galaxies and so forth. And there's there's all sorts of, calculations on how many, how many habitable, civilizations there are or or worlds there are and so forth out there, how many civilizations might be out there that are like ours. And, you know, we need some way to explain that.

Oh, and yeah. And I'm I'm I'm following you and at the same time, I I've I've wrestled with this construct. There's this belief that some things just happen. That's randomness. That your that your life, your meanings, your interactions, everything you do is random and therefore, you have you have free will. But there's the other side. I believe you can't be in the both same camp because they once one is chaos theory or randomness, and the other one is that things happen for a reason.

And that they do happen and therefore, there's a predetermination that they will happen. So it you're almost leaning towards when the big bang happened, there was something that 14000000000 years ago stuck in a little said a little code that said, by the way, in 14000000000 years or in 12000000000 years on another planet, another place in time, this will happen. Mhmm. Are you saying it was that that, like this was preordained? Well, yeah, I mean preordained is not not, not the not the best word.

I know it's not the best. It was the only one I came up with. Sorry. I was I was searching for 1, but I couldn't find it. It's a good word. I I think we I think we need to be willing to, to think in these terms, because if you think about the universe and its evolution as a whole, and if you especially if you're thinking about multiverses that we're not the only universe, that there any number of infinite, multiverses out there that are all kind of the same or maybe slightly different.

The, it is and that they all would well, we don't know about any other universe. We don't even know about this one. But, but that there should be, that that we should have gotten to this point, you know, you know, if there really wasn't some sort of plan, you know, and and, or or or a guiding principle or guiding code that was, you know, more, had had more information in it. It was so the the evolution was informed by something. Right?

So Mhmm. I don't wanna get into the whole god thing because I think that that's and I I I don't really ascribe to that. I think that these I think this process is ultimately a very natural, process, just for At the end same time, the way you're describing it though for at least for me, it's almost as if well, let me ask. Would it be that there could have been many different, let's call them DNAs, because that's what you used, many different DNAs, and Earth looks like 1.

If I was to use space words, planet x 49434ap instead of, a a human word, that planet has a different DNA sequence and therefore it is prime, or are we making the assumption that the DNA blocks for life only are arranged in the way in which we know them?

Yeah. No. That's that's a good question because I I think if that were to be the case, like say that there was, you know, say say that there was some sort of code that was non human that that that that the life would emerge some other way or intelligent life, intelligent civilization and some other way that was dramatically different from our own. I would say maybe maybe there is a reason for that in terms of the full scope of the future continuing evolution of the universe. Right?

So we're we're emerging it to a certain we're just becoming space faring, space faring people right now. If we connect with other space faring civilizations, you know, what does that mean? Right? So that whole thing, you know, and that might not be for another 1000 years. And to a certain extent, I don't I my thinking doesn't go my thinking doesn't go that far, but it's a it's a it's a good thing to to discuss it.

I mean, I when I when I I try not to be human centric when I when I analogize to space because it changes paradigms. And and to think that there are a 100,000,000,000 suns in, it was a 100, now I'm getting it wrong.

We've we've identified a 100,000,000,000 galaxies, and those galaxies are made of billions of stars and, and planets circling circuit and moons that when, if you were to take the complexity of that, let's use complexity as the word, it's so complex that there are so many that are made up of so many different concentrations of, components that there is a chance that there could be many different types of DNA. Right. And that to believe that there would be 1 to me is human centric.

Right. And I I agree with that. I I although, you know, I I would agree with that. And, I and I and and in terms of what constitutes this, this DNA that that makes life and what makes intelligent life may be highly determinant on the environment itself. So Mhmm. You know, that we know that the tendency is that life is created. Right? And the and the tendency is that life over time evolves and becomes more and more complex. Using earth using earth as its own.

So using earth, the presumption is is that this is not unique. Right? Obviously Correct. If that were not to happen on another planet, life would never go anywhere. Right? Or or what I'm saying is it could go in completely different direction because there was another whole there was another DNA set. Oh, right. Exactly. But right. And there may be and whether that what I'm what I'm getting at is, what am I getting at?

So you and it gets back to the well, getting back to the tree species, you know, kind of thing where, you know, you plant a tree in different locations. They look a lot different. Yeah. That's true. And they're they're no 2 of the same. They can, they they, they adapt.

Now what we could be seeing is and like I said, the unique, but but just but just, but let's get back to the story, if you will, about the maturing earth and and and, we there'll be plenty of other things I'm sure you wanna dig into. Yeah. So, as I was just mentioning You know you know I have you've heard the I have fun on these. They take you off. I'm looking forward to it. I was look I was definitely looking forward to it because, I I I enjoy this more than just about anything else.

And and to be honest, there there's not a lot lot, not enough people out there put it that way, that I can have these conversations with. So thank you. I I do enjoy this. I enjoy exploring. So this is the exploration of the kind of space. So, yeah, I love it. That's what this is.

And, you know, and I think what, it's one of these things, you know, where I you know, one of these things you just sit down, you contemplate, and you contemplate, and then, you know, you just gotta start writing it down, you know. And, and then you said that that David guy, oh my God, he's gonna be a pain. Oh, is that not a so so okay. Let's take this maturing life, this maturing, So you're you're you're, so again, you have what's interesting.

So now what's, you know, so now we maturing life on earth from, you know, from the single celled organisms to multi celled organisms to eventually evolving into plants and then, and then, and then animals. And you see, and here we have the, we see this, this, this process of what expansion and complexity. Right? Evolution is moving towards ever increasing complexity. Generally speaking, obviously, there, as my son reminds me, there are dead alleys in Darwin's theory where, and in in expansion.

I mean, every living thing wants to expand, wants to multiply and and and and, and expand. Now I get the expansion. I couldn't get your expansion, but now I get it. You we want to multiply as a as a is an example of expansion. Yes. That that is, that is our, that is our right. So, and so sort of that's and then that's where we and and then, and that's an evolving planet that where we are, where we have had gotten to for humans.

We've a planet that was teeming with life in the oceans and in the forests and vegetation was everywhere and the ecosystem was beautiful and balanced. And yes, there was, you know, there was a food chain and there was violence, but there was beauty and all this good stuff. And wow wasn't this great. Right? And why the hell why the hell do we need humans to come around and bring us the good thing going, didn't we? The earth had a good thing going. The earth had a good thing going.

And we are the virus, I think is the matrix. And then we were the virus. Right. Well, so that is it. That's the that's the, that's the what many people say. Right? That that humans came along, and we were the virus, and we began to do nasty things. And, of course, once the industrial age hit, we got really nasty in terms of how we treated, the the, the earth and the environment. Now what I'm gonna say here is a little bit, is is definitely radical, in in in that regard.

Remember, I'm the guy who showed up at a space conference and told people they were wrong. By the way, most of them didn't make it, but I won't I won't say too much about that. So okay. So be radical. Right. So the what I what I suggest is that that humans and their abilities, the things that they were endowed with beyond the they were gifted beyond any other species. And those things that allowed them to become civilized, and allowed them to evolve technology.

And that technology over time becoming what? More and more complex. That that was something that needed to happen because the planet itself was at a at a point where it was fully matured and it needed to engage the reproductive process. Right?

So Okay. We have a living organism, the planet as living beautiful organism needed an agent to emerge within her body that would effectuate the transference of the collective DNA that makes up that makes up the world and transmit that to other to other shores. And this was also in the original DNA that it would grow to a point and then over tax its planet and then it would go someplace else. Well, right. And I wouldn't even well, yes.

Yes. And so Because it used the word I I I'm gonna pick on you. You said civilized. So so we we we became a civilized I don't know. Sometimes I have to question that. And, yes, we generated technology.

So So we were, so yes, I mean, if you wanna go back to the, the original sort of this DNA code, it, you know, the information, you know, obviously if you're speculating on a on some sort of DNA code that was in existence at the beginning of this of the of the universe, you you would add this to it.

That that part of the you know, that there there would be a process by which, and let's go back to the exploding stars that are depositing their organic, molecules onto a planetary surface and life emerges. So that is a process that, you know, happened on earth and it's happening all over the universe. So kind of that process. So kind of like a plant has grown up. It develops its seed. It's no longer and it has to spit it out, and it goes someplace else. That's right.

And so we are the we are the the agents within her body that will create the, we'll just say the the acorns or the seed pods, literally, right, with a harder hard external shell and carry the soft the the soft DNA material to other other planetary shores. And what's interesting, you know, is that this has been an unconscious process for the last 50000 years ever since we sort of came off the trees and came out of the forest and started, you know, walking upright.

And we started using stone tools and we started to, you know, we our our brain mass started to, problem solve. And, it was all in the ultimately, and what I'm suggesting is ultimately it was all in the service so that what? So that we could get to where we needed to get so that we could carry the seeds of life. So so so follow-up with that.

Is if you look if you look at the if you look at all throughout history, what has been one of the things that has fascinated fascinated culture or present in culture after culture, and it is the it is the monolith. It is the totem. It is the, it is the pyramid. It's that it is the tower, right, that is, that reaches to the heavens.

And so this the what I'm saying is the rocket, the image of the rocket, the future rocket that would take people off this planet was embedded into the psychology of the and and is a driving force for civilizations ever since we began to do things, you know, other, you know So I gotta I I I've got 2 points here, but let's take the first one. So do you believe that we have been visited and maybe these were brought to us?

I I don't, I I I, I don't doubt that I I that may be a possibility, but I also think that these these commonalities like these UFO, ancient UFO, types like to talk about how there's the commonalities between these cultures and they're all doing the same thing. I think it's as easily, explained not not because ancient aliens came around and and and taught the same things to all these different tribes.

I think that the that that tendency was, that tendency and desire and commonality was part of the, of this original original, DNA. I think if they're going to come, they're not gonna be in a rocket. They're gonna be in a ship and that wouldn't have the same shape. Well, probably not. Probably not. And that's why To make it all the way here from wherever they're coming from. Well, right.

So that, that that's more to, I guess, more to, to my point, that this image of the, you know obviously, I'm stretching the point a little bit, but It's okay. You see this No one's gonna hear this. Come on. Even in Washington. What's that? No one's gonna say, hey. That's the guy. But it's, you know, in a in a you know, even Washington DC, you see the Washington Monument. You know?

I mean, that's, you know, that's that's a that's a image of what would, what would eventually that's the image of a rocket. We didn't know what a rocket looked like, you know, before, you know, the 20th century. But, I think it was in, I was part of our psychology and that that's, that's what I suggest. And I, I can hear you. I'm trying to go through my head and saying, does every culture on this planet have it? I don't know. You've probably.

Well, that's the thing is, you know, again, it's a matter of tendencies. Right? So, again, you know, not every not every tree bears fruit. Right? So not every there's a chance that we're not gonna make it, you know? Well, that was the next one. That was the next one. But could could these rockets have also been very similar to, for example, the Cambodian history, which is very phallic? Could these rockets have also just been phallic?

Well, you know, I I, you know, it it it it could could have been obviously some of them were very, explicitly so. And, so, you know, I I I think the opportunity here is to, is is is to contextualize our how we have evolved as humans and this this moment and and how we can explain this moment. We're about where we're about to leave this planet.

And I think it's it's helpful to look at this in in in the full scope of our of our of our evolution that has brought us to this very moment, you know, where and and even interestingly, Elon Musk himself said this said this very thing that I just said, that we are the agents that have emerged from this planet to carry the seeds of life into space. He said that when, when the demo 2, launched right at that that same day in the press conference with with Dan and Doug, you know, the 2 astronauts.

Oh, okay. Now I I was this is, one of the people on the project moon that team reminded me I was supposed to watch the launch and I missed it because I didn't turn it on an hour and a half beforehand. I was sitting talking my wife, and I just missed it. So I didn't see any of that. So what I suggest is that there is a, you know, I looked at I asked the question.

I said, well, if what I'm saying is if what I'm thinking, what I'm saying is true, that humans emerged here for this purpose, then how do we how do we know that? You know, what is the what are the clues here? So So so before we get to that, before we get to the clues Mhmm. I not that you learn everything on a plane, I watch a ton of movies, but I did watch a documentary that had to do with life extinction by by human destruction of its own.

Not that in in almost all these cases that the there is this complexity, complexity, complexity, and then you get to a point where humans actually destroy their own possibility of getting there. Right. When you hear that and is that built into our DNA too? Yes. Yes. And I'll get I'll I'll explain that. I'll explain. All will be explained. Okay. No. The the again, this Thank you, master or sensei. Thank you. No. There are no You're saying grasshopper. No. They're not stopping.

They're not stopping. They're not stopping. They're not stopping. They're not stopping. We're like, the, there's no guarantees. Right? So, so we're at we're at we're at an inflection point. I think Musk further said that, that we time is limited. Right? We're kinda we're kinda reaching sort of this a pinnacle of capability, and we kinda need to keep going up the ladder. Right? And if we don't quite make enough progress, then things kinda fall back down and then we gotta kinda regroup.

And, the, the what what's important about what you said though is that, and again, I'm gonna go back to this analogy, about, you know, about reproduction. Right? So we we the earth matured. It now needs to send the seeds. That's just what life does. Life cannot help doing that that's what that's what life does. Not a positive. It's not negative. It's just what life does.

And, in order for the designated agent, the human race, to get to that point where it can build those seed pods and get us off get those that DNA off the planet, it needed to stress the body. And and isn't that exactly what a child in in a mother's womb does? Right? It stresses the pregnant woman's, body, in some cases extremely so, some, some people have a easier time of it. And I think that's probably true for worlds, you know, other worlds that are emerging this this way.

Probably some some So you're saying the challenges we have on earth are forcing us to make new choices? The challenges we're having on earth are result of, especially as the especially in in relation to the environmental damage that we're doing is a result of necessity, for us to It's for it's forcing delivery. It's forcing delivery. Right. It's forcing delivery.

And now what's interesting about this is and extremely important is that once the delivery takes place, the body has to the body has to has to, has to heal itself. Right? And there are mechanisms for the body to heal itself. And I think and and and so what that has done, has created what what I call a a twin obligation. Right? So I the the premise of this whole discussion is the notion that, life extending beyond earth is an obligation that humans have to the planet that gave it life. Right?

So the the the life extending beyond earth is an obligation that you and I, the humanity, has to the planet that gave it life. Now the important thing though is when, at the same time that we are feeling this need to extend life beyond Earth, there are some of us that are feeling are that have the role and responsibility and equal obligation to heal the planet. Right?

So we're kind of at this cusp where some of us, you and I are part of this group, and all the people that you're talking to are part of this group that feel a passionate need to, extend in life off the planet. And so we are bound and determined to figure out any way how to do that, and we will do that. And there's others of in the population who feel an obligation to planetary stewardship, and they're looking to repair the planet. So the 2 must go hand in hand.

And and guys like Bezos and Musk are kinda in this. This is right. This sort of They're on one they're one extreme of the this. Well well well, Musk is particularly interested because he's he's as interested in restoring the balance within, with, the ecological balance as much as has he's interested in expanding life. So he's sort of holding both of these obligations, internally, which makes him particularly, particularly interesting. And, so these so so this is all very important.

So Well, it's interest you you don't know enough about Project Moon Hut, but our narrative is to create a box of the roof and a door on the moon, which is Bruce named us Project Moon Hut from NASA. Box of the roof and door on the through the accelerated development of an Earth and space based ecosystem. Then to take those endeavors, those that paradigm shifting and those innovations and turn them back on earth to improve how we live on earth for all species.

So we're literally I mean, I it's kind of weird. We're literally doing everything you're saying. We are looking to accelerate and get us off the planet as fast as possible because it's not it's like we have a quarter around our neck. We're not getting there as fast. And then what we're doing is saying, but by getting off the planet, we will solve our challenges. That's that is our whole narrative. Yeah, no, that's great. I mean, that's great.

I think, and, you know, and I, and I don't think it's entirely uncommon for, people who are interested in expanding into space to be very, very interested in the, the balance of the ecosystem and, and restoring, sustainability on this planet. I, I, you know, I feel that tremendously. And I know you do. Well, I, I'm not a space person. That's the amazing, you know, I don't see I never look up. I don't wake up and look outside and look up and say, I wanna go out there.

I don't think any of that at all ever. I'm like the antithesis of these things, which is the surprise. So when you're describing this, I'm saying, okay, this is an interesting story and it does fit us, which I, I like, but it scares me a little bit that it, it fits us. Right. And I think that the, you know, the, the thing about this progress that we've been making, you know, technologically over all these literally 50,000 years, probably more like a 100000 years.

If you talk about the first, stone tools that are used in very rudimentary things. And it's been a very much an iterative process, right? Generation after generation. Obviously you went maybe centuries without much change at all, but there were always were improvements on the technology. There was always some, there was always improvements someplace on the planet, happening at different paces, different speeds, different evolutions, new, so yes, absolutely. Right, right.

And it's, but overall, again, looking at this trend line, so we were, and we were marching forward, towards this capability and, and it's like, as soon as we had sort of the right set of technology in place, you know, the in the early part of 20th century, you know, people like, Jan, Ziolkowski from in Russia and and, and got Robert Goddard, you know, who was, the the father of rocketry, you know, you know, figured out, you know, how do we how do we get rocket? How do we, how do we make rockets?

And he wanted to, he wanted to make rockets and so that he could, so that they would carry people into space. Wernher Braun Braun of course did that as well. So this, this passion was, was ignited almost instantly as the technology itself suddenly was, became available. And, so, so so this unconscious march to a to a degree then an unconscious March has has gone on for the all of these 1000 of years.

And I think now is, you know, we we wanna it it would be extremely helpful if we were now conscious of this process that is unfolding, that we are already a part of. Right? So we're already a part of an unfolding and developing universe. I hate to, I, I hate to use, a title, but what you're saying is you would like humankind to take a giant leap of faith that this was the actual story, that this is what's actually happening.

Now I guess my question is, are we finding the narrative in the story that doesn't exist because we want to? Or are we or is this really what's happening? We'll never know. But what's your thought? Do you think we could be potentially finding it to make make rash to rationalize all of this? Well, I think that there's, right. Obviously people will say that and I think, you know, it's not unlike, it's not unlike what, Darwin did.

I certainly don't wanna put myself in the same category, but Darwin, you know, he all he had to go on was what he observed. Right? All you, you know, and and and and and recording what you observed and taking note and trying to draw patterns and and, to see, you know, and and see the patterns that make sense, from from one species to to the other. And that's really all I'm doing here is I'm trying to I'm trying to see, what what what the patterns are.

I mean, I will say that it was that the central aspect of this was a was an insight, you know, that I had in a in a in a in a peak moment or a a an moment, that So so so tell the moment. Well, it was, I was actually on a, I was actually on a retreat. Okay. Which, where I had an opportunity to, spend time, contemplating and in silence and in meditation for extended periods of time. So you went you went away to a retreat.

That was the reason you went to to be in a monkish type state and that type of thing? Well, I I didn't go away to answer this question in particular, but I was I was away to and that's something that I you know, that's part of part of my life, part of what I like to do every once in a while.

I like to just completely unplug, and just spend a few days, a few days, sitting in meditation just to completely recharge my batteries and to completely, you know, completely center myself and, highly recommend it to anyone. And it is in these moments and this is, this would be true for anyone.

You know, scientists talk about this all the time where you is in these moments when you are able to completely empty your head, right, from all thought and all feelings and that sometimes, you know, sometimes interesting stuff. Well, I I I I don't I don't disagree. The the reason that this I like the stories. I do that. I I draw paint, sculpt, I do carbonate plumbing electrical work. And in the past few days, I have been 20 I've been on a ladder for 8 hours.

No music playing, just myself painting and working, and I I do a tremendous amount of thinking. I don't sit on the beach. That's not me. I like to be involved and engage, but, yes, I unlock. So Right. In your one example or what your one scenario, you went away for 3 days. And how did the epiphany hit you? Well, I had had a, I mean, actually, you know, I know you don't want me to mention my book, but it's detailed in my book.

Yeah. But, what the the, it was, it was the day of, a day of meditation, in the group meditation in the meditation hall. Let's call it that way. And and it was particularly sublime, you know, I had a I really was, really was, quite a moment. And then, and actually it didn't nothing happened right right then.

But then that evening, that evening I was in my hotel room, and I was asking myself the question again, why is that why is it that humans are so passionate and so and so motivated to to expand beyond earth. And then it was, it was an experience of a rush, you know, that came over me. And in my vision, if you will, in my vision, I saw, the evolution of humankind over 50,000 years in rapid succession over the course of a few I don't know.

A blink of an eye really of of of everything that we were doing. Everything that we have done before was leading us to this this very moment. And I saw the evolution of technology and of human and civilizations over and over and over and over and over again at the However many thousands of lifetimes. And, you know, and that's how it impressed upon me. And I just saw this and it was just it was all all in a in a very big rush. And, and that's how it happened.

And it was kinda it was kinda wild and I was kinda I was kind of, taken taken by that. And it really it really affected me. And sent me on a, you know, for several years after that, for for years after that really contemplating. And then, and then and then writing and putting these thoughts down and trying to put all the pieces together and so forth and try to come up with something that sounded, that sounded, comprehensive. So I, I know this is a tough question.

Yet we've heard some really interesting stories or I've heard them on the podcast. There's and you don't have to answer. This is just a question. Some people go away to retreats and they often will do some type of enhancement to get them to think differently. Was there anything unique about this experience that made that helped you to see the light? Was there an advisor? Was there a coach? Was there a friend? Was there a storm outside?

Was there were there influences that might have influenced us? Storm outside. I know. But, you know, our our my son's dog stays here and whenever this there's a storm outside, she goes to the center of the house and she cannot be settled. Whenever there's thunder, she goes upstairs, downstairs, upstairs, downstairs. She goes to the center of the house. So certain things do trigger people. So that's why I said storm. Mhmm. Yeah. No, I don't know.

I think it was just, I was, I was at an interesting point, I think, and I had, I I I I think I had gone into this really thinking about where I was going professionally or well, I wouldn't even say that. I was just kinda kinda I was going in there with this with I definitely went in there with this thought about, about space and this motivation of space. And for some you know, for, you know, just wanting to to understand that.

Not that I went into this thing saying I'm gonna answer this question, but it was something that was on my mind.

And, you know, but but I you know, so I'm not sure I don't know if there's anything other than having sat for, you know, for for some number of hours in deep meditation, where you you achieve a degree of clarity and serenity of mind that allows a a ground of being for, for something else to emerge, you know, something separate and apart to emerge, and some new insight to it to emerge from that.

It's interesting that you just got to this point and the the storyline Mother Earth changes is also a very interesting analogy to the path that you had seen. And I question a lot just in my own mind, so I'm not questioning you is how much do we create to fill our own need or how much do we create that is real? Sure. You know? So Not not that you're right or wrong. This is just the discussion about thinking.

And I I appreciate the discussion because, obviously, you know, I'm not you know, obviously, there is there is that, that we, that we as humans look to, to ascribe meaning to things all the time. Yeah. We're meaning creating people. That's what we do is create meaning everywhere we go. And whether, whether it's true or not. I do think that, I, I, I, I ascribe it to this what's going on here is more of, like for example, you know, a teenager, teenage boy sees a pretty girl. Right?

And and it's like, oh, you know, or a girl sees a guy. That's, you know, and it's, oh, you know, I really like I really like that person. They're so nice and, I'm, you know, and I, you know, I'd like to get to know them and this and that. So there's a sort of level of, you know, that there's this level of where your, people are feeling let's face it. People are feeling urges. Mhmm. Primordial, natural, urging. Hey. You had I just like you had a lot of trouble getting to that.

Yes. You have natural urges. I'm going to put an R rated on this one. Right. But what are we doing though? We have these, we have these urges. So what, but what do we do? We, we, we say, you know, we say that this person is, is nice and I wanna get to know them and I wanna, you know, I want to, you know, you know, there's all these other things that go on in terms of the so called courtship that, that is part of human experience. It's not r rated or anything.

No. I I I'm You know what I'm saying? You you you are, your you know, so you so this impulse and I call it a I call it the evolutionary impulse, which we did not get to, but I think this underlies, much of this. So we have an impulse, an evolutionary impulse that's sort of driving us in a particular direction. And that is, this impulse that humans feel have been, pushing, have been nudging us, if you will, in the direction of increasing complex, increasingly complex civilization structures.

So so let's so let's we're gonna move to 3, evolutionary impact. Humanity actually has a purpose. Before we do, I'd like to share that over the past few days, I have one individual who has reached out to me multiple times for me to hear her opinions and to help her to die to to understand what to me is basically conspiracy theories. I'm getting a lot of them, and every time I say, well, you know, this is for example, this is a very American thing.

No other culture that I know of goes in this direction. Oh, yeah. No. It's definitely American, but it it's it's universally applied. And then I said, okay. And I'm getting photographs and imagery. So when I I'm kind of in the maybe the timing is right or wrong. I don't know what that answer is. But when I'm hearing what you're saying, I'm also I've got this hat on, and it's not your fault. It's just happens to be. I've got this hat on of okay. John f Kennedy is alive.

Junior is alive, Or is he not? And I've I'm I'm fighting this battle of Mhmm. Where she sees things that don't exist because she wants to explain the things that she doesn't understand or like or can't interpret, COVID being at home all the time or the job responsibilities, the the economic changes. And I think to some degree, as she is exploring, she's finding answers.

So that's why you're hearing a bunch of these questions that are digging a little deeper because I'm trying to get my mind around where do we cross not a bad line, but different lines because it could be a 100%. Right. And that's what you're hearing from me. It's, it's really trying to find out what you're thinking. Right. Well, I hope it doesn't fall into the category of conspiracy. No, no, no, no. What it what it's it's an analytical mind. It's analytics.

And the fact that you're telling me something and I'm saying, Okay, Are we finding it or are we that's the question. Are we finding it because we need it? The alternate the alternate the alternative is to say that it was all, you know, that we we, you know, and, you know, that that civilization sort of came into being and we kinda ambled along and we kinda, you know, we kinda progressed in fits and starts however we did it.

And, and and sometimes we got lucky and sometimes, you know, and we just, we kinda stumbled our way. Not a great story. Right? Well, I mean, it's, you know, maybe that's it. I mean, it's it's not a great story. I'm not I'm not I'm not so dogmatic as to say that this, you know, it it is it is one, one way of of looking at things, looking at the story of life and where we are holistically. And that's really what I'm And I am loving, I'm loving the story And it's an interesting story.

So I'm not coming at it from that perspective as I'm enjoying hearing how you've evolved. That's why I want to know how this came about. It was important for me to know that you were in a room in meditation and this epiphany came to you and you saw everything in a moment, a flash of of light to some degree where you traveled through time and you connected dots. And I'm assuming people have challenged you to maybe not the way I am, but they've challenged.

Okay. Is this a religious feeling or is this a something else feeling? And I don't know. I don't I mean, I think that I I have a feeling that scientists, with that when they finally when when a scientist may finally connect dots probably feels the same way. You know, I don't know if you call it religious or not. It's, and, So they're gonna dissect me and they're gonna say, see, this is what was wrong with him. To the wires were crossed.

So let's take on the evolutionary impulse humanity actually has a purpose. Right. And I think, I mean, I I I think you covered a lot. We're kind of we're kind of jumping back and forth here. Yeah. I think what, you know, so you have the, you know, the the universe needs to be I mean, as we said, it needs to be moving in a particular direction. Right? In order to get us to where we are. So in order to get it functioning as according to, this this DNA. Right?

Yeah. And so that requires a, a means by which that, that means by which, life or all of existence can, can, can move in a particular direction. And one way of describing that is the evolutionary impulse that is, that is sort of nudging in, in our context, in the context of humans and the, in the in the in the in the 20th 21st century is nudging us in the direction of of of expanding beyond this beyond the planet. Right?

So the it is not, you know, it's not, present in in everyone, but it's present, you know, it's it's present in enough people to make to make this transition. People are feeling this evolutionary impulse in all sorts of ways. It could also have to do with, how people treat other people. Right? How do we, how do we, you know, how how people take care of each other. And so this, and so it's an important element there of how do we care for and sustain the planet?

How do we take care of and and sustain each other? And of course, how do we how do we organize ourselves so that we can so that we can, move beyond this planet. When when you when you created when we created this title, humankind emerged on this planet to bring life to other planetary sources. Do you in your head, do you think always outside of our solar system into our galaxy? Do you think multiple galaxies? Do you think just getting off earth? Where do you spend most of your time thinking?

It's really about us and where we are right at this moment. Okay. It's really the only thing that is The the the near distant future, which could be Near distant future. Right. The the work at hand essentially is what, what occupies me. So there's a there's a sliver of time right now, that is really the only thing, you know, anything else is just, you know, interesting. At the at the great giant leap, I went around and asked people a question. When will we get to the moon?

Not even Mars. People weren't even discussing Mars at that time. At the same level there. Nothing like that. Guess what? The overall there was not one person. What was the earliest date we would be living on the moon that I was given? Oh, I don't know. 2050 something like that. No. It was it was 2030. That would we would never make it before 2030. That was the earliest. Most people were 20:30 5 before we get to the moon and live there. Okay. What do you think about that?

And and Elon wasn't even named then. I mean, we talked about dragons. I thought we were talking about, Game of Thrones. I didn't realize we were talking about rockets. Now do you when do you think that's a little happened earlier? You know, it it's it's hard to say. I mean, I I did, I I did actually did a webinar where we were, for beyond earth.

And, we asked, a group, Pete Warden, Mike Gold, and, Michelle Hanlon, what they thought, would be, when the first human settlement in space would, would occur. And, it was it was it was Laura Montgomery rather. Laura said, oh, 20 I think she said 2050 is the earliest. And, Mike Gold, you know, who's a senior executive now at NASA headquarters. So said it can't happen soon enough. And then Pete Warden said that, oh, we're gonna have that in 10 years because What is your thought?

I I think it's I I I 10 years, it seems ambitious. I haven't seen where that that's gonna happen. I think, I think 20, I I think, if you are it depends on what kind of level you're you're talking about. You know, if you have house or roof in a hut. A door of the moon hut. Yeah. A door or whatever. A box of what what it was, I was sitting with Bruce in Silicon Valley and, at restaurant, Stretch. And what there's 4 phases to project.

And the first one I said, well, he he had made a bunch of statements and I was kind of tired of all of the things that were going on. I did wasn't impressed by NASA. And I, after 9 hours being together over multiple days, over a few months, I said, Dan, would you like me to tell you how we should get to the moon? And he said, yeah. And I outlined a 4 phase approach. And the first one was we'd have to have a box of the roof on the moon.

And it was the Roger Bannister space that would open up insurance and banking capital. It wouldn't imagination. It will do a lot if we get there instead of everybody shooting like a shotgun, everybody doing their own thing, every country doing their own thing. We should all focus and collectively get this because it'll help everybody once it's achieved. And as we're walking out the door, he said, we don't need a box of the roof.

And there was an hour we went over things and I said, oh, I see in my head, I said, oh, I screwed up. And he said, David, now we need a box of the roof and a door. We need a home. And so about 2 years later, when I was meeting with NASA, we met every month now with a group for about, 5 years is he said, we've named your project project Moon Hut, a box with a roof and a door. So that's how you got his name. Well, and that's, you know, that's great.

And I think that what, I mean, that's and we we need to talk more about beyond earth because beyond earth is looking to develop the the policy underpinning that would support that kind of, an initiative. And if it's got NASA funded, it sounds like it has NASA funding. No. No. We're not we're not NASA funded. We are David Goldsmith funded and a lot of money for to fund this. So NASA is just like the Japanese space agencies and the Indian and and European Space Agency.

We are, we have people all over the world helping us. We are actually there are more people outside of the US than there is in the US, a lot more who are helping us. So let's go on to number 4 then. No. This is great. Along here a little bit. No. No. That that's fine. No. Because is there something more you want to add to that? We have a purpose or do you want to say that the purpose is DNA?

Because I thought you were going to say we have a purpose and our purpose is x. But you're really saying that the DNA and everything with it. So is there anything at to add to that evolutionary impulse? Right. I think that the, I I think we could, if we can move on to, you know, we we we can talk about the 6 endowments. Yeah. That's what I figured before. How do we how do we know humanity How do we know this? Then this gets back to, right.

And this, this gets back to, this gets back to what I, I, I, I was speaking about earlier in, in terms of, in Indeed, sort of like sort of like Darwin saying, okay, well, I have this idea that, evolution is a thing. How do I, you know, how how how do we put together sort of a model that sort of can sort of point to it?

And so what we looked at, what I looked at was what are the, what are the, the traits that, that have, that make human who, you humans uniquely human from the rest of the, of the animal kingdom. And, we, I, I, I characterize these in, in 6, what I call 6 endowments. Right? And so these are and I'll just go through these kind of briefly at the into a certain extent. They're Remember I'm writing. They're they're obvious. Right?

So to a certain extent, there's not gonna be you'll you'll recognize them. Right? So so first we are, first we are the wanderer. Right? Yeah. Meaning that we are, we are, looking for new hunting grounds, but not just new hunting grounds. We're willing to expand, and move and travel great distances, with our community as explorers.

Once, once, once, humans, got on the go, if you will, from the cradle of civil or from the plains of Africa, once we started to expand, it did not take us more than a few 1000 years to cover the entire globe. So, we are wanderers, right? So, and that's what we've done and we continue to do that, right?

So we we've been explorers and, old, all the way up to where, we're very, and we've always, we've always looked up and what is over the next Hill and what is over the, what is on the other side of that ocean? You know So is that number 2 looked up? No, no, no, no. That's still the one. The wanderer. Okay. Yeah. So, and then of course, you know, that that leads naturally to it looking up and wandering where we're eager to wander beyond earth as well. Next is a settler.

So, so the settler is one that says, Oh, okay, wait a minute. I wandering is great, but you know, we've gotta, we gotta, we gotta create, a little, we gotta create a little community for, for all our people in, in our tribe or whatever it is. And we've gotta set up things so we can protect ourselves from the outside world. Right? So it was really with the settler instinct where we created a hut, right? We created, things that protected us from the, from the animal kingdom. Right?

Because we, you know, you had to be careful about that. That was our beginnings of our being settlers. And then once we're settled, then we we create we we became problem solve you know, we were also problem problem solvers and, we we, and got better and better at at at settling and protecting ourselves and so forth. And and what I would what I would say is it was really from that moment that we became space settlers.

Because what it's interesting, it ties right back to what you were talking about. We the first time we built a hut in the middle of a, in in the middle of the forest so that people could go inside that hut and be protected from the outside environment Yeah. We became space settlers. Because we were set, we, we were protect, you know, and that is what has driven us all the rest of the time.

And, and, and, and in a sense, it's, it's, I mean, people will say it's unfortunate because we're, we are so separated from nature. Right? Most of us spend all of our, the vast, vast majority of people spend all of their time in the, in the built environment. Right? We rarely go into, you know, into the wilderness.

Yeah. We don't, we don't, I I just had this conversation while I was on the ladder with Laurie, and I said, you know, I wonder what a horse would say when we're doing all this work to take care of the home. And they say, you know, we're just out here. We have a coat on. I spend time with my friends. I get to eat. We travel around, and you are there scraping and painting your house. Like, is that a life? It's well, it's exactly.

And the thing is, you know, we we've gotten very good at building ourselves apart from apart from nature, which is people will say that's unfortunate, but I will say that that was absolutely necessary. We had to do that. We had to separate ourselves so that we could continue the process of building these things. So, so that's the settler that that need to, to coalesce.

And also, if we look back on the, on the terms expansion and complexity, these traits, the wanderer is the expansion trait going outward, the, the masculine and then the settler is the complexity trait and the settler is feminine in in in gen very broad general terms. To the next, the next We care we have to be careful and I'm not saying this in a bad sense. We've we are we've more been aware of the diversity of the event of gender. Right. Well, the the yeah.

And we don't need obviously, we're talking about to go into that, but it's an interesting take that we're even adding the complexity there too, is that while we, the discussion has always been about male, female, is that we only, we have 2 symbols. I don't know if there are 9 symbols. 9, 9. Well, I draw, when you say settler, I draw the female symbol for male and the female symbol for female. So I'm actually drawing that near the words that you have. So we only have a male and a female symbol.

What would be the mixed gender? What what are these other genders represented by was the what came to mind? I don't know if we have them. I'm not sure what you're asking. You know how a, a fee when you go a female is a, a circle head with a cross on it, and a male is a circle with an arrow going up. Right. There's 2 symbols that we see in our lives. Right. But we have multiple genders. There's more complexity to humankind than just 2 genders. Does that make sense?

So what I'm saying is I agree with you. I'm not sure. So I I just It's a complexity. It's a complexity that we haven't embraced, and now we're spending more time on planet Earth looking at diversity of gender. So there's even a complexity there too. So I'm agreeing with you in terms of how we're exploring this this whole complexity component. So I'm saying there's more complexity there. That's how. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, certainly.

And obviously, you know, this is where we're trying to draw, you know, broad distinctions here, you know, and, obviously there's, you know, you know, certainly women could be much more effective wanderers and, men could be settlers. So it's not in the sense, it's not, it's, it's not masculine and feminine and in the gender sense that, you know, and I, so, but just to, just, just to continue, I think, let me, let me move, move along.

So you, so then we're, we're wanderers, we're settlers, now we're inventors. Right? And so this is where you get into the whole notion. Now we're, we're, we're problem solvers. We're able to, you know, obviously they make simple tools, but simple tools turn into more eventually, we figure out better tools and better ways of doing things and how to build better huts and stronger huts and and, and eventually, buildings and and and all that.

So you understand that the inventor is the always thinking of better ways of doing things. Right? And, and if you have this trait, right, you're, oh, you know, right? It's, it's, it's extremely useful over time because you're just always going to, yeah, things, you know, life will generally get better for the, for the people and that's kind of what's been happening.

And again, I think of this as an expansion trait so that the, you know, the inventor is sort of, you know, kind of wandering in his mind trying to solve the, the problems as he sees them and so forth. And, and then the, the other side, the complexity side, match to that is the builder. Right? And so the builder then is now taking the invention and now they're the electrician, the bricklayer, the, you know, the person who's now replicating, that which has been invented. Right?

And then they are basically the creators. They're the creative, true creators of civilization because they're taking these, Oh, that's a great idea. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, reproduce that many, many times over. And, so, and again, this is, it's sort of this dance between the inventor and the builder, you know, with the inventor creating things and the builder then reproducing those things over time.

And it's been very, it's it's it's gotten to us that that that's more than anything has gone to us where we are today. Then we have, then we have beyond the inventor, we have the visionary on the expansion, on the expansion scale, if you will. So this is somebody who, is more than a problem solver, is someone who sees the, who who sees the possibilities in the future. Right? Can Can visualize a whole new city, can visualize a whole new, way of doing things.

So we, you know, we have a lot of visionaries in our life today. You know, historically it might've been visionary leaders who, who saw, great empires, much to the chagrin of the people they may be dominating, but they are visionaries. They see, they see a world that they dominate or they see great cities, with libraries and, and, and, and great temples. And, you know, so the, the, the it's really the visionary who's able to tap into that.

Science fiction writers of today, obviously are, are visionaries are creating whole new worlds. We're visionaries because we see, you know, we see that we could build a hut on the moon or we can build a space colony in free space and we can work towards that. And then there's the, then on the complexity side, there's the, there's the protector.

And this is a, this is not the, the protector who stands guard in front of the hut, more so the protector who sees the risks that, that may, sees the risks that may impact their community or their larger society. And they are willing to do what they need to do to, to mitigate those risks.

And so these are, these are the, people who will build, who, who will maybe build a great wall, a China, or they will have built, they, they, they will, they will put together a fire department that would protect, protect the community or they, they are working to, they're working in the near earth orbiting objects program, trying to figure out ways to, well, figure out ways to, protect us from, well, not only errant asteroids, but, but, orbital debris man made.

So they had, and this is, this is very important for, it's a very important aspect of our culture and that we, if we're protected, we can move forward. If we're protected civilization can continue to move forward. In, in your narrative, and which is a little project Moonhut's fa the foundation, ours is to improve life on earth for all species. Does your protector protect the human DNA for the, expulsion out into space or does it also protect mother earth? Well, they would look at right.

So so the protector would look on the idea of space settlement as a way to, as a way to, diversify our population. Alright. So they're interested in maintaining our life that emerged on this planet. So they're, they're, they're gonna say, okay, we've gotta build this thing because it's gonna protect our people. And you hear that argument, I think you you hear you do hear that argument quite quite quite often.

Stephen Hawking specifically said that that we need in order to ensure our our, survival, we we're going to need to move off this planet. So they are the ones that are that are doing that. And they're also the ones that are looking, you know, living off the the planet is a highly risky undertaking. And so they're the ones that are gonna be most concerned about safety and about, you know, radiation protection and how do we, you know, guard against these, these hazards.

And so they're the ones that are gonna be most pushing for those, those kinds of things. Because we want to be able to go when we go into space, we want it to be in a way that is, you know, that that that is not highly risky. 1 in a way that is, where where where people can feel this high degree of reliability and comfort and so forth. When do you go ahead. Go ahead. Well, yeah. So you've got these, you've got these the 6 endowments. Right?

And the important thing, in in examining these, conclusions I draw and and looking at these 6 endowments is that not only were they absolutely essential or needed for us to, to go from, you know, the plains of Africa to, to to our our advanced sophistication where we are today.

But they were the they they were the very, they're the very traits that if you were to create a, a species that was responsible for, building seed pods to getting us off this planet, these are the traits that you would want them to have. Right? Mhmm. So, so it's it's it's again, it's it's it's it's interpreting what's it's it's it's interpreting what's what's there. Right? So that every every person has some of, some elements, some of these endowments in them. Right. So right.

So if you I mean, they're not, they're not personality traits, and then No. Try not to I try not to I don't. I I see them as as a propensity. A propensity. Right. So you might see yourself. So you might say, you know what? I'm I'm the visionary or I'm the builder. I'm the guy that I'm the guy that gets it done, you know, kind of thing. You need, you know, and, it is, and you also have, right.

And I I, I mean, you can get you can be interesting to go down this road where, you know, people have maybe have a primary, primary, endowment and maybe a secondary endowment, you know, and that kind of thing. So you you you can see people that you know or that you or you yourself in in these in these traits. What what are you? You knew that was coming. Come on, come on. It wasn't even a trick question. I know I I'd have to. You're trying to avoid it. You wanted to move on. And I just.

No, no, no. I'd have to, I'd have to put myself in the, the visionary, category. Just in terms of just seeing, a future possibility. But I need, you know, I, you know, visionaries need inventors and builders and settlers need all the others to actually, bring this all about. I I I am. But I'm not saying this in a negative sense. I'm saying this in positive sense. I I I believe with what you've described, this is all of Project Moon Hunt. You I think you did cover, and I have to think about more.

Mhmm. But the entire construct covers all 4, all 6 of them. Mhmm. And and it's I I believe it does. Yeah. Mhmm. And I I there's a guy James Vagnan, v a g h a n. He does amazing work, artwork and graphics. And we spoke about 4 hours the other day. And his comment was that Project Moon Tut appears to be an all encompassing plan that covers everything from earth and the different types of people on earth to to space and everything else.

And I think what you did here is and I'm not complimenting project moon out is I think you hear very eloquently and and and specifically gave 6 different endowments, you call them, or 6 different propensities that are necessary for a complete not governance, but as you used that word earlier, but a complete human capability to thrive. Does that make sense? Yes. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And I think that this is this this is, you know, these are the things that we collectively have, you know, And, that are part of who we are. And like you said, I think I'd probably say that that there's a tendency, amongst everybody to have all of these things, but they, but some of these, some of these tendencies expressed more strongly in some people than in others kinda. Quick quick jump. We can come back to, where we are.

Do you believe based upon your DNA and that could be multiple multiverses and multiple other species be or creatures being formed around the universe, they would also have these 6. So it's not human. It's not human. You have it as we know human has a purpose of 6 endowments. It's that any any creature, any life formed from the complexity of since the beginning of time would have these 6 endowments.

Yes. I think if, or something very similar to it, maybe because of the nature of the, that particular world, maybe they might need something else, but I think these, these are the things. So, so for example, you know, humans could have emerged and we could have just continued to be just a bipedal, you know, creature. Maybe our frontal lobe expanded, but we didn't necessarily have to build a civilization, did we? You know, you know, but, but we, but we, but we did that.

But yes, so these, these are, these are not only those, those traits that allow, allowed us to thrive as a species, but it's also the traits that have brought us to the brink, the very threshold of becoming a multi planetary species. Is that an accident? I don't know. That's what, other people.

It's an interesting question because you're coming up with these 6. I immediately took it to the universe and now I'm saying, okay, so any any form that develops into a complex structure as known that can be self aware, I bet that's a I guess self awareness might have to somehow be in this. Right. I didn't try to it may not be comprehensive.

You know Does that have to be comprehensive, but self aware to be able to I mean, I don't think you can do all 6 of these if you don't have a a little bit of self awareness. Right, right. And I think, you know, I was thinking, well, you know, humans are curious. Well, maybe should curiosity be in there? You know, so, but I, you know, I think that that's, I'm not saying your 6 I'm not saying your 6 aren't self awareness is different in my opinion than these 6.

These 6 are more tied to actions that are taken in the endowment, not in the not in the creature's ability to be able to perform. So you're you're I'm trying to separate them. Does that make sense? Right. And and self awareness, I mean, we don't know exactly when self awareness occurred, you know, were we were we self aware when we were making simple tools or Look at my, my wife will tell you that I'm not self aware today. So maybe, maybe I need a few more 1000 years.

But this does, get to the point, of the, of the 7th endowment. So you you had one in there, the human kinds obligations, and then you have the 7th endowment. So Right. So the, right. So all of this is pointing, I mean, I, you know, the, these endowments are actions collectively as a society over time. And, are, are pointing to, if you just wanna look at our actions and not look at our internal desire, these actions are pointing us in this direction. Right? Up until, what's today?

Today is September 28th. September 28th, 29th. Some places it's 29, but we'll take 28. Yeah. So we're even up to today, all of our actions have have brought us to the brink. Now that's not going into space is not the only thing that we're doing. You know, and I think that the, that isn't our only raison d'etre.

I think that we, we're serving probably serving other purposes, by developing, the digital world and by developing, a progeny in the form of artificial intelligence and you know, where that will take. And so, they, you know, the, it's a more complex, more nuanced role, I would say that we play, but I'm saying amongst that which we are, are have been put here to do one of those things certainly is to, is to carry the seats that we have gone to this point.

And through this, what I call this, we feel the sense of urgency, the sense of, the sense of desire is coming from this evolutionary info impulse, which is which is informing, you know, and and there's no other way for me to describe it. And I know it's getting woo woo and I I apologize for that. No. No. You you you used 2 amazing words. You said urgency and I said, no. No. Definitely. I have an urgency. Yeah. And then I said desire. Do I have a desire?

But I'm drawn to keep on working on this project. So to look at me individually, I don't have a love of it, but I can't stop. Right. There's an urgency there. And I I've tried to stop myself, in in the past for brief periods of time. Say, what the hell? Why am I bothering to do that? And I think a lot of a lot of advocates have asked themselves that over, I asked my it was just a day or 2 ago. I said, why am I bothering with all this work?

And today, I just signed up to have between 100 to 500 students around the world all the way up to university level work with Project Moon Hut. And I said to myself when I'm done, what am I doing? We have enough people working on this, and we're now gonna work with an organization that wants to bring on 500, middle school to university students to help us work on this. And I I I I just so those two words were perfect. You I don't think you went to a weird space.

You went to a place that made me take a breath and sit backwards and say, oh my god. That's You were perfect. I'm and sit backwards and say, oh my god. That's You were perfect. Mhmm. And so that is the it is, it is an it is an obligation that we feel. Right? And I think that it is a, I think we need to begin to, you know, look at it that way.

It helps to look at what we're doing as, as an essential element of the evolution of the life that emerged on this planet of which we are part and parcel of that evolutionary process. You know, we are, and we, we can't avoid being part of it, right? So there's, you know, I mean, evolution is ongoing and we're, and we're part of life and that therefore we're, we're part of that ongoing process.

And I think that, that kinda gets to, and I spoke a little bit about this twin obligation that, you know, we reach out, right? And so ultimately the planetary expansion or expanding beyond our planet, what is that? That is the expansion principle at work, right? Yeah. To get off this planet. And then of course the planetary stewardship, what is that? That is the coming in and the complexity that is gonna be required to heal the planet again. Right?

So these 2, so these 2 yin yang, these are 2 two matching harmonic, activities for humanity that we need to, we need to, embrace collectively and and get over any kind of, discussion or argument that there's a difference between that and, so that we can move forward. And I think, part of this, and this is sort of the 7th endowment that I, that I, I bring up. And I think this has to do, this gets back to my, you know, dark night of the soul moment, if you will.

It is that becoming, you know, that, that becoming conscious, that conscious that we are part of this evolutionary process. And by, by becoming conscious of that, we can then help to propel it even further, more, more, more, more efficiently and, you know, kinda stop all of the, the, the difficulties and the, you know, the, you know, all the all the things that might get that block us from getting there.

So, and that's what we call the conscious evolver, you know, that this we need to be, you know, you talk about the homosapiensapien, you know, it's, you know, we, we need to be conscious that we have been on this path and for, for many, many years and we need to fulfill this.

And once we fulfill that, both the planetary stewardship and the human expansion beyond earth, you know, then we can we can kind of there could be we can kind of settle into that if you will, for for for a time as a as as as a civilization.

Because I think a lot of the, a lot of the unrest, well, this is where, you know, I'm, I'm woefully speculating and, you know, where the, a lot of the unrest is the fact that we're, we're, we continue to, to remain on this planet as on a single planet, which is, kind of stretching at the seams on so many, in so many ways, political and otherwise.

And that once we can get that foothold in space, on the moon and elsewhere as, as a civilization, There'll be a release of of this of this tension, and hopefully that will have an impact, geopolitically. And that's all I got, man. No. No. No. It's the it's not all you you'd when when I reach out to someone to be on a podcast, and I think you know, have already experienced this, I'm looking to have that experience that I learned something from. I think you can get that.

It's not just a, I wanna have a podcast that's gonna be every week and I'm gonna put on anybody I can. There is a deliberate timing that says, I am interested. If I'm not interested in a topic, you won't be on because I'm not trying to fill a week. We want we want real good material. And the first time reaching out to you, it's been, what, 3 months, 4 months since we started this conversation. And I expected this to be very, very heavily governance oriented. Because we talked about governance.

We we had this whole discussion about governance, and it's part of the Project Moon Hut's 3 3rd module, which is governance. And it's so surprising and and interesting that you took me on a journey in a place I never it I'm not a gambler. I got married. I've owned businesses. Some people would say that's gambling. But I've I never would have thought you would have taken me here. Never. And you, I'm I'm gonna say you really have to learn.

I think there would be a value in understanding Project Moon Hut because I think you could be a huge contributor in a very positive sense because we are covering you just talked about political. So we have 6 meta challenges, climate change, mass extinction, explosive imbalance, social displacement, resource depletion, and political unrest. Not the 17 SDGs are very difficult for me to remember which one is which, and I don't think I know anybody who remember all 17.

You kind of touched on with your mother earth and so I I think it was I think it was brilliantly done. I I had, an unbelievably great journey going through this with you. Well, good. Good. And obviously, this is, this is a philosophical exploration of mine. Certainly invite I mean, there is there is a website if you go, the obligation book.com.

I invite people to go on this journey, but I'm also, you know, very much, grounded in in, otherwise grounded in in the, in in policy discussion through beyond earth. And there's a lot of work, to be done. Hopefully, we'll be able to work with you guys, on on that. And of course, Basecom. Spacecom is very b to b, you know, where is the where is the dollar to be made in space, you know, right now? And, and all of these are important important aspects.

And then again, if, if this, this philosophical way of thinking, inspires anybody to say, or feel a little bit more right about what they're doing, then I think it's useful. I would say, I I would, if I, if you don't mind, I'd reframe that. If this gives someone a better understanding of a perspective that helps contribution, helps community to live together, helps the global citizenship and the, and I always go after all species on earth, I think then that's a value.

Because it's a lot of what you've drawn up also will be challenging for some people to get their mind around. It's you've you've even just the beginning is a tough one to there's a big bang, second later, 3 seconds later, and everything exists and every molecule exists in the whole planet and there's a DNA. So there's a lot of leaps of faith in what you're saying. So I think that, just to be able to So, I wanna thank everybody out there who took the time to listen in today.

I hope that you learn something today that will make a difference in your life, the lives of others, and the future of, all species on earth.

So once again, the Project Moon Hot Foundation is we are looking to establish a box with a roof and a door on the moon, a moon hot named by Manasa, through the accelerated development of earth and space based ecosystem so that we get there faster, then use those endeavors, that paradigm shifting, those innovations to kind of relate back to what we just talked about back onto earth or mother earth to improve how we live on Earth for all species or to to make the mother whole again in a way that the only way we can do that according to what we've heard today is to step off our, planet Earth.

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