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We are here to give you the tools to get that story out into the world and make your own audio drama podcast .
Yeah , we're talking about , from that very gem germination of synapses colliding to make that beautiful idea to the starting line , right ? This is what today is all about . So come on , lindsay , let's talk to me . Talk to me about formulating ideas
¶ Where Do Ideas Come From?
. How do they happen ? How can we nurture that ?
well , it's one of those things where people say where do you get your ideas from ? And it's more like why won't they stop ? Yeah ?
sometimes you're just like why won't ?
these like yes , oh , what was it ? Was it a good one ? It ?
was just um , it's about a podcast about lots of bryans , because I've seen the word brian and you know , I just just thought of all the Bryans I know and then thought why don't we make a podcast called it's Brian , right , and each episode is going to be about a different Brian , I mean you know , I think it should be Bryans of Britain , bryans of Britain .
I love it , but , sorry , we must shun that idea for talking about what we're going to talk about . So yes , as you say , ideas can come at any second from just a single word , a name , a spark , a thing a color a mood .
Or maybe you're being plagued by something and you're thinking about something all the time and you say to yourself maybe I'll write a play about that .
Why aren't there pirates in space ?
Sometimes current events will get you .
That happens a lot because , as we said , you get plagued by ideas and you know something keeps coming . Moon logs were inspired by the moon landings of 69 and the 50th anniversary of that . So that's the only reason that Quirky Voices Project came into fruition . Yeah , that's a good one .
And I remember I really enjoyed that a lot . One of my favorite examples of it is the play Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo . I believe it's just called Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo . I hope it's not the Bengal Tiger , I'll feel stupid .
What happened was playwright Rajiv Joseph was in graduate school and he was flipping through the New York Times and he found out that a Bengal tiger at a zoo in Iraq had been killed by American soldiers . This is terrible for a lot of reasons . One of them is there are fewer than 2,700 Bengal tigers currently living in the world .
But the other thing was that it was American soldiers who were having some kind of a party in the zoo and they were feeding the tiger and the tiger bit off a soldier's hand .
So they freaked out and shot the tiger , and the moral of the story is be very careful with tigers okay , I have a little bit of tiger grief now , but yeah , it's a sad story , but rajiv joseph read this when he was a grad student .
He thought about it , he wrote a 10-minute play about it and then he said , yeah , stuck it in a drawer for a few years bloody , oh , that bloody drawer . Yeah , oh , the drawer , the bloody drawer .
Get your scripts out of the drawer .
Well , you know , sometimes they need to sit in that drawer , do you ? Know what , sometimes they need it .
It's a good thing in his case , the drawer was a nice little place for it to marinate for a while , because then , after a few years , he picked it up again and wrote what ended up being on Broadway with Robin Williams playing the titular tiger , which sounds like a horrible phrase A titular tiger .
I would be a titular tiger .
He would do 20 minutes on titular tiger if you were here today .
I think he was actually described as the soul of a tiger , but it was also robin williams's great opportunity to completely grow his hair and beard out to the level at which it was fully intended to be brilliant , I could just face paint right , but yeah , I think that that sounds truly fascinating .
As much as you know . It sounds like a very moving , exciting thing to come out of such a tragic event , but also raising awareness right and talking about how we can be better human beings .
The tiger was a metaphor for sort of how wild people are .
¶ Turning Ideas Into Powerful Stories
In any case , read it . I highly recommend it . Another one that I also highly recommend is Ruined by Lynn Nottage . She wanted to write Mother Courage in Africa . She had been working as the press officer for Amnesty International . Here's a quote . Actually , Sarah , why don't you read the quote ? Because you're the voice actress . You get in there and dig it .
Dig in , baby . This is where now I can't speak . A quote because you're the voice actress . You get in there and dig it . The war was dig in , baby . This is where now I can't speak . The war that's being waged in the congo right now is a war being waged for foreign minerals considerite , coltan , copper , gold .
Considerite and coltan are used to fuel our cell phones and laptops . We're incredibly dependent on the congo , so we can't turn our backs to what's going on because we are partially responsible for that war .
Well , there we go . The play takes place in a tavern that this woman runs in the Congo for minors . Stuff for so many good stories in a pub right , exactly , yeah , and it's about how women survive the atrocities that are going on .
And it's also it's one of those things where you go to see the play and then you , as you're walking out , you go to call an Uber , you open your phone and what is in it that is making that phone work ? It's minerals from these African conflicts , autowned countries .
Yeah , yeah . And again , like raising awareness and thinking about yeah , the depth of our throwaway societies foibles things we should rectify . What about ideas that are also being a metaphor for something else ?
Sure , I mean . Shakespeare used to do this all the time . He would write about a local conflict by setting it in an island out in the middle of nowhere , or set it in Italy , where all the lovers are . The play One Flea Spare by Naomi Wallace .
The play was originally commissioned by the Bush Theater because they wanted her to write a play about the LA riots that happened after the Rodney King verdict in the 1990s , and her thought was what if South Central invaded Beverly Hills ?
So what she wrote about is the inhabitants of a wealthy house in London during the plague in the 1600s and a couple of people who are either aristocrats falling on hard times or very poor themselves break into the house and then they can't leave .
So they all have to stay there together , and it's about what happens amongst the four of them in this plague-ridden environment , and if you haven't read it or seen it , I highly recommend it .
But what that metaphor has in common with the LA riots is what's a situation where the rich are infiltrated by the poor , and the poor have a very good reason to do them harm . Yeah , current events often can inspire what you want to do , and we've also talked about a metaphor for something else .
If you see something happening in your daily lives or you see something happening in the news , often making it a metaphor for something else can help you have sort of a richer experience of understanding it . And then there's always wish fulfillment Indeed .
Yeah , I just want to have fun with my writing too . Right when you started with pirates ?
and you were working on space pirates . What were you doing ?
I was just loving the fact that I would have this groovy situation where spaceships were properly looking like galleons and roving the universe to steal from these poncy people in their other nice spaceships and yeah , so so you've got your ragtag bobtail crew with them , you know , blue knitted plaited beards and stuff , and yeah , I just I just had this lovely playful
idea about just yeah , it's sort of like a heist movie for your ears in space .
There's tons of idea generation methods too , yes , but what really matters , in my opinion , is your premise
¶ The Importance of Premise
, right ? Yes , that yeah , yes , that yeah , yes . Let's take like , for example I'm going to give you two shows that should seem completely different from each other , sarah . I want you to read this description of a Star Trek episode Let that be your last battlefield .
In the episode , the Enterprise encounters two survivors of a war-torn planet , each half black and half white , though on opposite sides from each other , each committed to destroying the other . The episode guest stars Lou Antonio and Frank Gorshin .
Now there's a detailed summary available if you're interested . Well , we're going to link to that . Pop in the show notes . You've probably seen memes of these guys . If you don't know what I'm talking about , you may have seen Frank Gorshin going around with that half-black , half-white face .
Another story which I think has a lot to share with this Sarah , you want to tell us all about A View from the Bridge .
I love this show view from a bridge by amazing arthur miller . It's two-act play set by the ducks of red hooker working class part of brooklyn , new york , and it's narrated by a lawyer , alfieri , and revolves around the carbone family eddie , his wife beatrice , and then he's catherine .
The family are first seen awaiting the arrival from sicily of beatrice's cousins , marco and Rodolfo . Sicily is the island which looks like the football on the end of Italy's boot . It's beautiful .
I love that . This description that the BBC has been kind enough to give us tells us which island Sicily is and what it's shaped like , and how it looks like it's getting kicked by the rest of Italy .
Yeah right , it's definite . Yeah things to read into there . The cousins arrive late one night and the carbone family welcome them . Catherine and rodolfo are attracted to each other , which annoys eddie a lot . He finds more and more things to dislike about rodolfo as the young couple grow closer over the following weeks .
When they decide to get married , eddie does a terrible thing . He reports the cousins as illegal immigrants . This makes his family and all the neighbors hate Eddie and Marco comes to get revenge on him . But Eddie produces a knife during the fight which Marco uses to stab him and he dies in Beatrice's arms . I mean this drama and then the sunlight .
It's a great American tragedy and we probably should have warned everybody . Spoilers for A View from the Bridge . But seeing as it was written like probably 70 years ago , where have you been ? You've had adequate time . Yeah , so , sarah , how are these two stories different ?
Oh , how are they different from each other ? Well , they're set in different times and places , exactly . They have different attitudes and they've talked about different places , planets , people , Culturally , socially historically different Yep .
On the other hand , how are these stories alike ?
Okay , well , we've got two people appearing in a place that is not necessarily known to them and shaking it up and creating alliances and enemies . Well , I don't know , I don't know with the other one how it ends , but , of course , like it's sort of a the civil war of each piece , really isn't it ?
They've both got a raging jealousy , they've both got a foot in societal norms and playing with those right and it's also very obvious on the surface .
this is about people who perceive each other as different . In the case of A View from the Bridge , they're related the cousins are , even though they're not from the same country and they're not from the same kind of lived experience , they're family .
I think what both stories boil down to is , if you think somebody is different from you and you feel threatened by a loss of power because they're different , going after them with violence and force is the wrong answer .
Ends in tragedy . Yeah , yeah , yeah , we need to . Just yeah , love is all you need , right ?
As much as we get excited in audio drama about space pirates or , you know , sex vampires or whatever .
Sex vampires in space . No , stop it , Sarah . Yeah , I know .
It's all getting there as much as we get really excited about that stuff . We really got to think about premise . So we really got to think about how do these stories make their point .
Once you've got that initial idea of like hey , wouldn't it be cool if I lived in a place that was all trees and then a dragon suddenly crawls out of a cave , I've still got to think about why I need to tell this story .
Yeah , because I was going to ask you what does premise actually mean ? I know we have done episodes on this , but if someone was just jumping in today , would you be able to give us a groovy definition of what premise means ?
Sure , the premise is basically if you look at that Star Trek episode , the premise is hating people who are superficially different from you and going after them with force . Right is pointless and people need to try to understand each other rather than these two guys end up being the last living inhabitants of their home planet .
So if you don't at least try to be open to understanding each other from the beginning , you're going to have nothing but each other at the end . In the case of A View from the Bridge , it's very similar , because you have this guy , eddie , who is the king of his castle , and the women in his family love him and treat him like a king .
And then these two new guys come in and they're both good looking , they're smart , they're really good at what they do , and he is so threatened by that . These guys speak two languages and can balance .
There's a scene where a guy one of the Italians shows his physical strength by picking up a chair and balancing it on his fingers , because he doesn't try to understand why his wife and his niece think that these guys are so important and special . Because he fails to even try to understand that and he just tries to push everybody around , he gets stabbed .
So that's what's going to happen .
So what are ways in which we can really have a pull of that premise down from a longer description to something more concise ? What can we use to help us find that premise down from a longer kind of description to something more concise ? What can we use to help us find that premises ?
It's sort of the . If you watch an episode of South Park and you listen to the end when Kyle always goes I learned something today , stan . It's the . I learned something today , stan , but it's not the best ones . Don't have it right out in the open . Have your premise right out in the open . It's the message , it's the reason for the story having resonance .
So finding that premise can be it doesn't have to be difficult , it's a summary right , the summary ?
No , no , no , I wouldn't call it a summary , and here's why A summary , for example , would be like A View from the Bridge is about a family that lives in Red Hook , new Jersey , and takes in the cousins of the wife , who are immigrants , and the guy who's the king of his castle can't stand it . That would be a summary .
The premise is going to be mutual understanding is necessary in order to prevent violence in the future , or force doesn't work . Your premise is the thing that is .
For example , I can see a view from the bridge and have never lived in the 50s , have never been to Red Hook , have never been to Sicily and have never had any of the things in the play happen to me , yet it's still meaningful for me when I see it . Here's an easier example . Let's take it back to Can you Help Me Find my Mom ?
The premise of that is it's about and , and paying attention and listening and being kind and understanding when other people are confused and scared and upset .
Yeah , and it puts you in the position of learning that as the piece develops I think .
I mean it's about a need for compassion , I think so . That would be the premise , even though the plot would be a young girl is lost and runs into a bodega to try to get help and nobody can help her , you know , so on and so forth .
If you don't know , consoling for my Mom , it's from the Truth podcast , and have a look in the show notes . We'll pop a link in there again . Yes , so how else can we help our writing then to focus it once we have these ideas ? Have you ever used mood boards , for example ?
I'm a big fan of mood boards , but I think they should be handled
¶ Creating Audio Mood Boards
very carefully for audio drama because they tend to be very visual . Yeah , they tend to be very visual . They tend to be very visual . Yeah , they tend to be very visual . My experience with them is in grad school .
I wrote an adaptation of the Rocking Horse Winner by DH Lawrence and I wanted it to take place in Kentucky in the 1950s , in that whole world around the Kentucky Derby Hats in there , yes , exactly All the ostentatious displays of wealth and all that stuff and that's what I was excited about .
So my teacher had me make a mood board and it was part storyboard , part mood board . Part storyboard , part mood board . It was a lot of things like a photograph of horses running against sort of these giant shadowy black wild horses running against a red background .
Yeah , because the kid in the Rocking Horse Winner is just haunted by these dreams that he has of the races and the idea that I wanted to have that I storyboarded out was I wanted him to have shadow puppets of these wild horse races on his walls and the other thing is Zoetrope .
Is it that's called Zoetrope ?
Yes , something like that .
Heliscope . I think that's it yes .
Cool , we'll put a link in the . If you really want to know , write to us at writers ad . We know what it is . It's a scopey scope , it's a zip scope , it spins or it's a spinoscope .
But yeah , making a pinterest board is a good way to help with information and research because generally once you go looking for information you find more and it's a good way to organize that information . But I just found recently within the last month , I'd say I found an article about how Pacific Content makes audio mood boards for their Pacific . Content .
What is Pacific Content ? Pacific Content is a company that makes podcasts for brands . It would be kind of like if your shoe store wants a podcast about shoes , you call Pacific Content and they make this wonderful thing for you .
But they make these audio mood boards that are about tone , music , atmosphere , ways to show with sound the overall tone that they want to convey . So I started playing with this tool called Milanote .
Milanote , m-i-l-a-n-o-t-e .
Okay , yes , and I made this . So what we have here Beautiful pictures .
There's a massive gnarly tree that looks like a personality of itself , with a red-coated lady and a wolf and it's kind of sepia in the background so the coat stuns out . And then there's beautiful kind of Germanic-looking buildings when that's some Smithsonian folk quiz recordings , so a Germany flag , I'm talking about those .
And then there's some pictures of looking like composers there and some sound files too . Talk me through this groovy thing .
So what I wanted to do was I wanted to make an example of a mood board for , let's say , I was writing a audio drama adaptation of Little Red Riding Hood , yeah , and what we've got here is , as he said , we've got a picture by I can't remember .
Now I want to say Arthur Rackham and we've got a link to Smithsonian Folkways recordings of music from around the time that Little Red Riding Hood obviously is an ancient story , but around the time that the Brothers Grimm would have put this in print . So we've got some music from that period and we've also got some sounds here .
I've got a bunch of links from Free Sound . Here . There are things like I've got a wolf howling , I've got some guitars playing 16th century German music . As I'm looking at this , I'm also noticing . I looked up , I thought to myself , okay , well , what's happening in Germany that makes this story important at the time ?
And I'm finding this stuff here about how what was going on socially , finding this stuff here about how what was going on socially . The interesting thing is that women , it says here , the lot of women in particular had deteriorated About 1500, .
Many German women had been at work in numerous urban occupations , but a century later they have been crowded out of all but the most demeaning trades , as economic pressures reinforcing ancient prejudices eliminated them wherever they offered competition to male craftsmen , which is why you start getting the witch craze .
Right . So , there's those people who hated women .
Yes , in a lot of ways the story of Little Red Riding Hood is a cautionary tale about well , little girl , if you go out into the woods by yourself , whatever you do , don't talk to strangers .
But some of it is also hey , little girl , if you should go into the woods with a bag of treats for your granny and get into that weird , dark woodsy place so that you have power like your red cloak that's a super fun way of like kind of looking at a bigger picture , of pulling some other ways into thinking about your ideas , right ?
so you're not just thinking exactly , you're kind of thinking context and colors and textures and and your own visuals to play with .
Yeah .
Yeah , and how have you found that to be helpful ? I mean , I'm just trying to think as well , like with being able to play music and look at those sounds . Why do you think that's a useful way of working ?
Well , like some people like to have some music to listen to while they're working yeah , while they're writing . I like having a playlist . I prefer having music that does not have lyrics at all , or if it does , it's in another language , okay , so that I can't really understand it or , for some reason , radiohead I . I don't know why .
It's just sort of all sounds like it's just sort of all sounds like .
Exactly . Well , that one's pretty clear . That's like the 20th century great drinking song .
I think you should just put the Bridgerton soundtrack on . That's got loads of Radiohead in it , hasn't it ? That makes me laugh .
It probably does . So , yeah , a mood board is a very good way for you to when you're not ready to outline yet . Yeah , you to when you're not ready to outline yet .
Yeah , it's sort of a good way to make a mind map or a scatter plot , or whatever you want to call it , of all the ideas that you need to gather yeah , to garner an identity kind of together get a a more formulated plan .
So it's a way of using the visual and audio to plan rather than starting with the words . Right ?
exactly , and it also helps your sense of play .
I think I love that . Yeah , we all need to play more .
I agree , yes we do , and it helps your sense of play because you can look up these if you go to freesoundorg and you , you , you know , at one point I just typed in Germany what does the sound of Germany sound like ?
It's the sound of Germany . What did you get ? Yeah ?
Fortunately , I was able to find forests right away . In any case , once you got that mood board , it helps you think about the old expression that you hear a lot in screenwriting .
Go on tell us , what that old expression was , that old expression does it have legs ?
Does it have legs ? And we don't mean literal legs , no that would be silly , sarah , exactly . Think of it as like here's your idea floating up in your headspace . Meanwhile , back on the
¶ Sustainability and Legs
ground or in the real world , there's stuff going on . What connects your story's idea to the real world ? That's your legs . Yeah , like , for example , why does barbie have legs ?
why does barbie have legs to keep her pants up ? But I'm boom , thank you . Yeah , it's because girls . Thank you , because girls run the world Exactly . Yeah , I mean we are more than mummies and sexy things , aren't we ?
Lindsay I'd like to think so . I mean , obviously , sarah , you are the sexiest thing that ever walked the planet , but you're so much more than that . You're a voice artist , you're a person who can dissect a script as incisively as a brain surgeon , and individuals are greater than their gender roles .
Yes , we are all greater than our gender roles .
Yes , why do you think let's use can you help me find my mom again as an example ? Why does that story have legs ?
Okay , well , it talks about that aging population that we so know and love , and we wouldn't be here without right , and also the relationship with the caregiver there and how makes you reflect on your own , perhaps , relationships and if you're not , in those particular um places , idioms , uh , parts of life , you will definitely know people who are right exactly , yeah
and then and also what's it like when you're in a situation where you don't recognize anyone around you ? oh yeah , I I mean , that's a scary thing , isn't ? I have had relatives who've sadly had had dementia alzheimer's and so on .
And , yeah , I think the need for connectivity and the patience to still remember that they are the loved one , and this behavior , just you know , is scared , it can't be helped , it's just part of the condition , and so on . It's frustrating , scary , and if you're in that position , you want people to be kind and careful with you , right , exactly ?
and another thing , too , is that they've got an elderly woman played by a little girl and we . It sort of shows how we all feel like we're all kids inside . We truly are lindsay .
Yeah , we I mean I've discussed this many times , but I'm 22 sometimes , but about I don't know nine other times kind of go between the two , um , but yeah we are all children inside , aren't we ? Because we're still the same intrinsic soul .
We started with and you know , things we learned as kids we still do , right , I think there's that whole thing of that childlike , a sense of wonder and beauty and amazement we sometimes try and recapture , don't we ? Yeah , yeah , I mean with also that kind of idea , right , it's the sustainability of it .
You say about the legs of it , and I've heard sustainability banded about a lot in the last 10 years or so with regards to yeah , okay , you've got this season , it's all well and good , but but what's next ? What have you got next ? Why next ? What next ?
So have you got something that can be , you know , potentially picked up and either sponsored or given some pennies because of the potential for it to excite and have more and more seasons ?
I'd say it's even more . The sustainability argument is even simpler than that . The phrase that always pops into my head is will I be able to move that couch ? It's like , do I have the resources not only to commit to this idea and finish writing it , but do I also have the resources to produce it ?
I mean , if you look at mockery manner , which has you know so many characters love it so much . So many characters , so many voices . You get the sense they're always in . Every time they're in the park there's always a crowd of people , so many voices . But I really don't .
I hope this doesn't make anyone angry , but Lawrence and Lindsay are playing more than half of those roles . Yeah , in fact , they're probably taking all the roles in most of the scenes .
They're living the dream . They're living the dream . But also doing it with beautiful nuance and playfulness and a sense of fun behind it that is just infectious and beautiful and inspiring . So , yeah , no , I no . I love , love , love their work . And how about your own work , though , with yonsex arising ?
with yonsex arising , I wrote . I wrote the play sort of a let's just see what happens kind of thing . Okay , and then Okay , and then we had a play reading and it was not sustainable as a play in my opinion because I just wouldn't have been able to do it . I wouldn't have been able to produce it myself .
Have a theater company , theater Pro Rana in Minneapolis . She was the one who gave me the initial idea . She said well , why don't we do a read-through here in Minneapolis and see how it goes ? People responded really well to it .
She said this isn't right for my theater company , but if you're willing to produce it , I'll direct it and we can cast it here in town . It , I'll direct it and we can cast it here in town . And we recorded it . We had a week of readings and discussion and rewrites and then recorded it over one weekend .
So the story that I could not put on stage was easy to do as a podcast , and I think Gideon Media does a lot of these too . They did an episode recently which I will link in the show notes , about their behind the scenes process .
They said that Give Me Away is the first show that they've done where it's been a let's do a season and then let's do another season and see what happens , kind of thing . As opposed to . Here is a play . Yeah , it was written by Mac Rogers . The example actually that I really want to bring up is Almalem , which I hope I am pronouncing in a clear way .
Almalem is the name of one of the characters in it . The play is about the last days of Jesus Christ . Jesus never comes on stage in the play it's about the people around him .
It's very good .
You should go listen to it . Unfortunately , we're going to have to spoil it in the next episode . Oh , by the way , if you don't know how Jesus died , you might want to look it up , but in any , case what they had you know why I'm laughing . Why Spoilers ? Spoilers for the life of Christ . It's been a couple thousand years . Where have you been ?
We're cyclical storytelling . We're doing that again , groove , again , groove .
yeah , there's a lot of different source material we can they took the whole yeah , they took the whole play and broke it down into episodes . Yes , big bang , yeah , and it's got some cliffhangers in it that will blow your mind , even if you're like , but I already know how j Jesus did his stuff .
Yeah , well , you haven't heard this story yet , so buckle up , you really should .
It's all about perspective people yes .
I mean in the case of Yarn Socks , it was a two-hour story and we broke it down into 10 episodes . We broke it down into a finite number of episodes and the story has a definite ending . It keeps the story from wearing out its welcome , because I believe it was PT Barnum who said always leave people wanting a little bit more .
I've asked you why ? For all of those questions ? Why ? And that would take us another 10 hundred hours to answer all of those questions . But , yeah , why do you break it down ? Why should you leave people wanting more ? Why , lindsay ? Why to sate their need ?
for story .
Yes , you gotta get there . It's like that's the premise of everything storytelling because we want more , because we need more and because it helps our beautiful souls to live better in this crazy , amazing , unbelievable world , right story is that crazy story ?
is an emotional petri dish I don't like that because that makes it sound like germs it sounds disgusting and it sounds like germs , but what it is is like if you want to do an experiment in a lab and you want to say I want to see what happens when you put vinegar on baking soda , you use a petri dish .
Yes , in this case , you have what happens when you put vinegar on baking soda , you use a Petri dish . Yes , in this case , you have what happens if you have a whole bunch of pirates in outer space and then suddenly one of them gets religion . Yeah , ooh .
Yes , beer , religion of beer . Yeah , no , I love it . I mean , that's another episode . Now I have to write . Thanks , lindsay .
What happens if one of them suddenly becomes very religious ? Or what happens if one of them finds a treasure that is more valuable than anything else they've ever found and wants it for themselves and isn't willing to play nicely with the rest of the crew anymore ?
I think you need a finite ending because you want to always leave people wanting a little bit more . But yeah , um , a
¶ Breaking Down Stories for Podcasts
story is how we learn how to deal with the world isn't it ?
yeah , and then the next thing we can really kind of , uh , take apart is like do we plot that or do we just make it up as we go along and we don't have time for that today ? Do we Lindsay no , because we want to leave you wanting more , don't we Lindsay ?
We do so we're going to talk about plots versus pantsing .
Next time aren't we Lindsay yes ?
we are going to talk about plot versus pants .
Pants with pockets , plots without holes . Who knows what we'll be talking about , but you must join us for our next episode of AdWit , coming soon , to your brilliant , favouritest podcatchers ever .
Sarah , do you want to tell everybody how they can find us and tell us what they think ?
Yes , you can find us on adwitorg on your internet or just search your favourite podcatcher for AdWit and send us any messages , queries , questions or even what we should be talking about for you to help you make better audio drama too . Writersadvit at gmailcom . Yes , and happy writing folks .
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It's new-ish by the time you hear this . You can come and you know . Tell us what you think .
Tell us what you want . Tell us what you need , talk about specifics and let us know how we're doing as well . That would be super .
I'm going to go make another mood board because I really like those . I think it's fun .
I'm going to write another episode of Space Pirates .
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