Hey guys, welcome back to act as You Were enough. This is episode 7 I. Don't. Think we're able to stop? Everybody keeps telling us. Keep going. Keep going, everybody. You know who knew? Who knew? It's just too much fun. Why would we stop? It's just too fun. Guys, do us a favor, if you're on YouTube, please hit subscribe. And if you were listening to it on a on a podcast platform, follow us. Like, comment, share. Ophelia and I just do this 'cause we're doing it.
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We are talking about mental health and depression for actors, how that hits, how that hits actors and what we can do about it. I think this is a really important topic for some obvious reasons, but I think, you know, some things a lot of actors feel really alone in and they think they're the only ones and they don't realize that so many people, so many actors are dealing with this.
But there's this illusion that like, you know, I don't know how much I should talk about this 'cause I, I don't know how many other people are really dealing with this. But honestly, you know, the industry, particularly for actors, but I think by and large the industry, but particularly for actors, it is really, it really is a culture of rejection. I mean, we're, this is like the culture that we've chosen to be in that you guys have chosen to be in. And it's it's kind of a culture
of rejection. There's a lot of comparison drops when you're an actor instability of career, particularly since 2020, that alone, I mean, those two years alone for many, many people and, and we all know this, you know, it, it just, it just triggered a lot of depression and mental health issues and. Yeah, I want to talk about triggers. Yes, yes. And how you get triggered? Like how, what? What's triggering? Yeah, let's talk about that.
One of the biggest thing that's triggering is when you have friends that are working OK. And so that that's because I hear that a lot. They're like, oh, my friends are working. Like why aren't I working? Well, you've got to first look at what ethnicity are they? I mean, are they You're tight. So you can't you can't make a judgement of what somebody's doing in their career.
You have to run your race lane. Henry Ford once said that the reason why horses have they have shutters on there because otherwise they're going to look at the other horses when they're running. So I want you guys to and they're not going to win, you know, So I want you guys to put the put the, what is it shield. That's what is it called. The shutter shield, I don't know horse race and you see them, see them on the side of their head. They have it on the side of
their head. So you guys need to run the fast race so you can run in your own lane doing your own thing and put this on whatever it's called and you know what it's called Write it in the comments. OK, is I just delivered message. I don't know some stuff you know, but that's deep put it. I never thought about that. That's so that's such a good point. You know, you, you really have to do that. And, and that could as a, for a person that could actually look very much like severely limiting
your social media. There's such a, there's such a, a duality going on because as an actor, it's, it's good that you're on you kind of, it's a good idea. It's a good business tool to use. But but it's not it's, it's not correct to look at other people at their career. They could be in a different age category. They could be the different height. I mean, guys. You. The more that you compare yourself to somebody else, it causes depression and it makes
you feel less than you are. And it's and. And most of the times it's just not true. Yeah, like like 99.9 probably. I just made that statistic up, but I thought. You think about it. Unless. Unless they're exactly your type. Yes, exactly. Yeah. And the community, there's different trends in the industry. There's different trends with, you know, different movies that are, you know, there's different age groups trend, different ethnicities trend different, you know, hair colors trend.
Like I see, like I see my type in the movies mostly. I I used to see my type on television all the time. When I was working on television, I saw my type all the time. But now, I mean, they're doing like, like remember when the Cairns were in like now I saw myself like a wig and and and and it was like like short in the back and Bob and bobbed in the front. Yeah, I mean, that's understandable.
But you know, I I might sound like a Karen or have like the balls like a Karen, but I don't look like a Karen. Right, so. You Karen's out there, you're not taking my job because I don't look like a Karen. Yeah, 100%. That is such a good point, Such a good point. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean just. Because you can act the job doesn't mean you're, you look like the job. So, so you guys like, let's be specific about what you're getting triggered by.
Yeah. Another thing that triggers people is when you have family members or a lot of times it's family members or friends say, oh, so, so have you got any auditions lately? So what have you? What have you been in lately? Yes. And you're like, oh. And never, never, never understand what your business is about. You know, my father, God bless his soul, he used to say, I don't understand. You're doing the movie. I'm paying you. I'm like, yeah, you don't
understand. I'm doing it because I'm getting, I'm getting tape from it. Right. Wait a minute. You're getting dressed up. You're going down there, you're working for somebody and they give you no money. That there it is. That's. Driving it in, he's driving it in not realizing, not knowing he's doing that, but you're like as. Much as I would spend time trying to explain it to him,
he's never going to understand. So you guys stop telling people who don't understand that you have auditions. Yeah, and this stops. Telling my mother because my mother would go. So how did it go? I'd be like God, mom. It's not all it works. I just did it. OK, Well, do you think you got the part, Mom? I don't know. It's like the. Questions. Those are the questions. Unanimously. Unanimously. Well, you did a good job, right? Yes, Mom, I did a great job. I don't know.
Well, how long is it going to take? Trust me, that was the last time I tell her. I don't tell her anymore because of all the questions she's asked me Questions. She loves me. Exactly. She's a huge support person in your life. They don't know what they're doing. They don't know what they're asking. But every time she asked, it's like, I'm like, Mom, you'll be the second person to know. I'll be the first. Yeah, 100%. That's just so true. So true.
You can, oh, you could have been in something really cool and then you get triggered because you, you know, you're like, Oh my gosh, am I like, I just, I just booked this imposter syndrome. Imposter syndrome is a big, big trigger. You walk into set and you're like, I I bet they're going to think they made a mistake. And that just sends you spiraling down. And then you do the job and you've the whole time you're like, this is probably the last job I'll ever do.
No one's ever going to hire me again. You get in this weird actors get in this weird spiral. Let's talk about imposter syndrome for a second. I mean, let's just look at the facts, OK? The facts are how many submissions are for, let's say the person that has some imposter syndrome. How many submissions do you think casting director received for that job? Oh, hundreds.
Give me a number like 1000. Oh, I mean it depends on the project, but I would what I'm hearing is now that we've gone to self tape, I mean they can get like AI had AI heard a casting director say within the like you, you put a project out, put a project out and within an hour he has like 2000 submissions or less less. Than say let's say 2000. OK, it's part of my point that I'm proving. Yeah. So out of the 2000 people, they picked you to audition now. OK, so they picked you to
audition. So they're probably only calling in maybe 40. OK, so they have 40 people auditioning and then you beat 40 people. Sorry, 39. Yeah, yeah. I will say. Something about you? Right. And it's also like, like respecting what their jobs are respecting, you know, the director, if you do book something and the director and producer, they've chosen you, they've you could probably gone through, you know, if, if it's theatrical, you've gone through
a handful of callbacks. And so it's like, it's like respecting and trusting their choices, like. Yeah, so that you calling them wrong like like there's something wrong with them then? Exactly. Think about what you're think about what you're saying to yourself. Like what is when you're feeling like, oh, they made a mistake, What are you really saying? That's why I wanted to do this logic exercise. Logically, the the road that you're going down doesn't make
sense. Right. Yeah. So just stop. Just stop the, you know, get off the horse, Yeah. Or, you know, or maybe you need to go into therapy for a while. Yes, that is work. On that is too. I think that's a really good solution. Therapy is not a bad word. I mean, I've been in and out of therapy since I'm 14 years old and you see how adjusted I am. How far you've come. Seriously, I've been in and I started, I remember the first time I went into therapy, I was getting panic attacks in college.
I don't know what was going on. Scared the you know what out of me. I don't know what they were that then and thought I was dying. Like I kept thinking I'm I'm dying and found out it was anxiety attacks. And, you know, there's a lot of reasons that can come up, but therapy is so helpful, you know, and PS side note, I have a list of therapists that work specifically with people in in the entertainment industry. So this and you need a referral. You can, yeah, I will send it to you.
You can. And you guys, hypnotherapy is really great. I remember when I first came out of here, I had, I had a big issue of not having a voice. Now I just won't shut up. So she did this as this hypnotherapy exercise of taking a rope off my neck and it changed everything. Oh, that's amazing. I that's crazy. I was like. 21 years old. Wow, that is really fascinating. Yeah, therapy is. It can be a really powerful tool. Seriously. Support groups. Same thing. Support.
Groups gestalt therapy is great. My my aunt used to be a gestalt therapist. I I went and she she was from Woodstock, NY. I mean, she was like a massive hippie. Yes. Full blown hippie. Her boyfriend built their house in the woods, OK. She was a dancer, amazing. She was a dancer. She at Juilliard. She's she graduated from Juilliard and her teacher was Martha Graham. Oh my gosh, that is wild stuff. Yeah, she was a modern, modern dancer. But I mean, Martha Graham created modern dance.
But she ended up in Woodstock and I went to visit her and she showed me her office and she had a tennis racket on the bed. I'm like, what the heck is that? And she says, oh, well, I have my people. They pick up the racket and they just hit the pillow and they go. So who are you feeling bad about today? My mother, my mother, my mother, my mother. And And so they get it out using the tennis racket, hitting a pillow. I, I mean, I can, I can see that.
I can see that being having some kind of effectiveness, yeah. It was effectiveness, you know? And get it out. She went to a lot of tennis rackets. What's that? She said she went through a lot of tennis rackets. She must have yeah, there's just a lot of stuff that we are carrying that we are, you know, there like we've talked about this so many times. This is why you started doing the actors you are enough thing because actors come into the industry real pretty broken.
You guys, You you've you're, if you don't already know this about yourself, you're probably some brokenness there. And it's just it's in there and it has to be processed. It has to. You also need to know that your brokenness is what what where you're telling us. Yes, it's. Just you have to just get it up. Magic of it, right? Yeah, the more broken you are, the more interesting you're going to be to watch.
It's just that how do you, how do you not take things personally when it's coming at you, you know? Yep. And then when it's being under. Control. Exactly. And then and then like what when it's not managed and, and you you're not able to direct it and it turns into something like depression. You know how let's talk about, I want to talk about like, how does, how does depression manifest itself uniquely to actors? Like what? What are some things you ways
that you've seen? I mean, some things are standard across the board for anyone, but I'll tell. You this is, this is really bad. The more auditions you get, the more you spiral out. So you're actually bringing the previous audition into your next audition. And so by the time you get to like audition #10 and you still haven't booked anything, you're, you're not even the same actor anymore. Wow.
Whoa, that's so, so crazy. Yeah, which is why you have to realize that every audition has its own uniqueness and it doesn't belong with the next one. Yeah, and. That if you have a team of people that are or you feel that they're going to drop you, that shouldn't even be going into your audition either. Because what happens is that you chip away and chip away and chip away. And by the time you get to like the 10th audition, you're like a shell of of a person.
Wow. That's when you could really feel depressed and anxiety. You're not doing it for you anymore. Right, right. There's generalized anxiety and then there's situational anxiety and a lot of people, you know, they, some people have the generalized that some people really struggle with anxiety because they get intense anxiety with auditions. And then if they're, if it's if it's that process you're talking about, it just keeps growing with with each audition, right
anxiety. So I mean, what used to happen when I was at the theater, agents used to send the people over to for me to fix them, right? That was not my favorite student because they would come all desperate and needy. You know, they're like, all my agent's going to draw on me. I've had 15 auditions or 20 auditions or 30 auditions. I'll be like, and you're coming to me now. You know, that wasn't my favorite time because you can't. You can't book when you're
feeling needy. Yes. So, so much of each audition needs to be kept with each audition. And if you're feeling like like they're going to drop you, then you're not with the right Rep. Wow. Where are your reps? Where your reps said drop because you're not doing anything about it. Right. That's really an amazing, amazing point for sure, for
sure. Yeah, I think, I think, you know, some of the things to like look out for like some people I think like they know they're like awful somehow, but they don't really want to address it in themselves. And so these, you know, one of the the things objectively that you can look at, you know, to identify, Oh my gosh, am I struggling with depression? But I haven't realized because I keep masking. It is like high risk behavior.
You know, a lot of actors find themselves go entering into high risk behavior, excessive drinking, you know, drug abuse, drug abuse. Like late night, some over indulgence of sexual activity that's literally that has a place. I'm not saying that. I mean saying don't mask it with it. Yeah, yeah, you. You, it's like you, you want to just, if you're getting like off the little off the rails and that and that you might be in a community that that's really
just normal. But you have to recognize that just because something's normal doesn't mean it's healthy and doesn't mean it's going to help you. And, and you don't want to train wreck. You know you don't want to before you've even fulfilled your destiny as an actor. You don't want to train wreck. Yeah, and it and it becomes cumulative too, because I had a very long stretch of period of my life where I was doing that long stretch, but I was working a lot too.
But the work started tapering off because I wasn't showing up because I was hungover. Yeah, yeah, I. Wasn't on my game. You know, you got us just, I mean, you got to again, just just be the ball, guys. Be the ball. Do some meditation. Yeah, yes, mindfulness. Yeah, there's a great app called Insight Timer got like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of meditations on there.
Yeah, there's people from all over the world teaching or I do guided meditations, but like hundreds of people like. And, and I didn't, I didn't buy, but you could purchase for a pro account where you could courses. They literally have stress management courses. They have depression caught of course anxiety caught courses, panic attack courses. They're very. Sleep. Sleep if you're actually I had. That long, long ago, yeah, the and the yeah, those are those can be so helpful.
Abide. You're reminding me Abide is another app, meditation app. It's called Abide A/B IDE. It's that one is a faith-based one. It, it's also important to know that if you don't have a faith developing that research has shown that that is a huge, that is a very effective way to, you know, deal with depression,
anxiety, mental health issues. It's the 12 step program that's a fundamental part of it. You know, recognizing your higher power, developing your faith and prayer life is huge in dealing with depression, anxiety, mental health. Yeah, I think 'cause so much of it is 'cause you're around like minded people and and you're creating community and you don't feel like you're alone. That's that's definitely, that's definitely a huge part of it for sure, yeah.
Yeah, when you go to church, what I'm saying is like when you go to church or temple or wherever you want to go, you're with a group of people that that are all are all about getting to a higher level. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And you know, when there's recognition that there's something power higher than ourselves, then we're not. We don't have to do things in our own strength. You know that that is can be really overwhelming.
Sometimes a trigger is just being overwhelmed by life and then cycle right grounding. To go to one of those places you know. Yeah, you have another source of strength and ability, ability to get through things and 'cause then, then otherwise it's like a cycle. Like you, you know, you feel overwhelmed and then that caught that, you know, contributed to depression. When you're depressed, everything makes you feel more overwhelmed. Same with anxiety.
So if you have like a, you know, the this power outside of yourself to get through and to walk through, that changes everything. Yeah, it's a big deal. I I cry wherever I'm in. And I don't know if you noticed when you took me to that church one time, I was sobbing. Did you notice? I I saw you. I was kind of enveloped in the song and cut, you know, I was like, I remember, like I looked over in point and and I'm like, oh, she's emotional. Wow, that something must be
hitting her. Something's hitting her. You know, whenever I even when I even when I went to temple, a friend of mine's husband passed away and they thought I was the one who lost the husband. That's how hard I was crying. Oh my good. Nobody even went like this to me, you know, like stop, they like elbowed, like stop it. I just was just feeling the power of Spirit, you know, so hard. You know, it's just something about it. And it doesn't matter where I am
and what place of worship. I know that God's there. So, but God's everywhere, guys. God is everywhere. So it doesn't matter where because wherever you are, there it is. So I want to I want to talk about making lists. Yeah. Making lists and approaching things and the reason why I'm saying that what, what, what? Is I'm intrigued. Let's hear about this. I have, I have three types of
lists. I have the daily list, weekly list, actually four types, the monthly list, and then my bucket list, you know, and so when you write something on a list and you check it off, it makes you feel good. It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something. A lot of times depression comes from that. You're not move in movement. Yes. Yeah, and, and action always relieves anxiety.
Always. And you can just make yourself, even if you wrote that you're doing laundry today, that you do all the loads, fold it, put it away. There's something about the completion of it that makes you feel good. It does, it changes your brain chemistry and and that's the thing you have to like, if you're laying in bed and you're like, I, I just, I feel so too
depressed to get out of bed. You have to kind of like get to a point where like I don't, I don't, you can't even think of what you want to do or what you should do. Like you just nothing seems like I want to do this. If you just start moving like Mel Robbins, she has the five minute, the 5 second rule or that book that it came. She was in a severe depression and she couldn't get out of bed. She tried setting her alarm and she would just push snooze.
She tried all these different things and then finally it she it something came to her. I think it was divine inspiration, but she just said she just picture like this rocket and in five seconds it's going to take off and she's going to pop out of bed. So she just went, she just started one morning. She's like OK 5 4.
And it's great. 21 and she just about like a rocket and then she just started she's like, I'm just going to she just started, you know, I'm going to walk down to my kitchen like the most simple thing, I'm going to get coffee. She just did it and she's like, Oh my gosh, I just got that done and it started changing her brain chemistry. And I mean literally. Yeah, I'm telling you, let me show you my book, OK? OK, now you might think this is a little chaotic, but look at that.
Hey, can you see it? Oh, what is happening there? Is that your list? Oh, it's back marks daily. These are daily. Things that I got done. Oh you should. You should take a picture of that and post it. It's like Frog and Toad. Do you remember Frog and Toad and and his frog's list? Frogger, one of them, they made a list and it was like tie my shoe. It's like literally you can put anything on. There. Oh, oh, yeah. I have little things like that on here too. I have bigger things.
I have little things, yeah. Absolutely. I have laundry on there. Yeah, right, right. Eat breakfast. You know, you need to empty your mind. And this, that's what these lists do for me. I mean, even, like, by wrapping paper, you know, or if I ran out of detergent. By detergent. Yeah. Like, you don't want anything in your brain. You want your brain cleared. Yeah. So if it takes like sometimes I'm like, I'm an idiot. I'll, I'll write a text to myself, OK.
And then within 3 seconds I'll get a text and I'll be like, oh, forget, you know where I'm going with this. I'll be like. You know, with emails. I got a text. So I saw that e-mail, copied myself on it Ding and I oh, and I go to to open it. I'm like, Oh my gosh, you literally know. I said I know that. I sent that to myself and I so. It's every dumb. I'm like, oh, I got attacked and my God damn it, it's my. I just learned I just learned
how to this is true confessions. It's so embarrassing, but I just like 2 weeks ago learned that you could mark a text as unread did not know that you could do that that that was something you could do now. And I was lamenting to a friend, why don't this day and age they have a way to do that. She's like, but they do. I'm like, this is good to know. And so as we started, I started doing that. I started marking it save to read and, you know, save for
later. And then I look, you know, I put my phone down, look at it like literally 10 seconds later. Oh, I have a text, just saved it for myself. Yeah. So anyways but. Yeah, why the why? Mark it on read. Because I can't, if I can't get back to them right when I read it, which often I can't. And then I it's like that way I can read. It's like emails like Mark. That's interesting. Yeah, am I thinking you
something new too? No, that's interesting because people, we're talking about the psychology of a person who sends a text and somebody doesn't text back. That's a trigger. That's actually another trigger for people They say feel they think they're being ghosted. They feel rejected. Well then I should send back. Somebody sent me a good morning text and I never wrote back. It would be like good evening by the time I get back to them. You know what, they might feel rejected.
You should probably say something. On the other hand, we also can't be making decisions just on like, oh, how is, you know, is somebody going to be? Yeah, like, that's another trap, too. It's another mental health trap. Yeah, but but I you also don't want to be like stuck feeling responsible all the time. Exactly. It's really, you know, so that's why sometimes I just don't answer. If you can't answer, you don't answer.
It's not because I don't want to, it's because I have so many other things to do. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, personal. And, you know, someone was talking to me about this the other day that like someone they've been trying to get together with, with a friend of theirs and they, they keep, you know, I'm so busy and they, she knows they're busy. They're in school and they're doing working and this and that and this, that.
But then she'll like get social media, she'll look at, you know, Instagram and like, wait, they're hanging out with these other people. I thought they were too busy and, you know, and then you start going into this death spiral. Yeah, it. Could have been from last week. It it didn't necessarily it. Could have been from it wasn't necessarily that day, but then also another thing that she was sharing that she had learned in therapy or or read it or something is proximity.
So these friends, they went to the same school. This person didn't go to the same school as them. They'd lived in not super close to each other, but close enough to get together. But not it's not the same as like, you know, if you're like your neighbors on your street, if you maybe you're too busy to make this all these arrangements to, you know, see someone over there in that town, but you it's easier to get a pizza. With somebody next? Yeah, yeah. So proximity is huge.
So we we people need should be always keeping that in mind like. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, live. Close to them. Do they, you know, do they go to the same church and they just decided to go get lunch after church and, you know, yeah. So I think everybody is like, they take everything personally, but you can't help it because we're all, I think all of us are very sensitive right now. I mean, not not that you should go around having a hard skin, but there's always a reason.
Yeah. Don't, don't be jumping on somebody, right? Jumping on them, hey. Shoot, no, I think that I think that that that is super important. But then also like, maybe there's going to be this occasional person that they really are kind of douchey and like treat you bad. And so at that point, it's like, you know what, I there's a there is, there's still a reason. The reason is like, I don't like that I'm, you know, I'm being protected from this person.
Like God, maybe I don't like. I'm glad to see this about Let's talk. About let's segue into the people that you surround yourself with. That's. So good, let's do that are. You are you guys sitting around a coffee shop talking about awful things that are happening. Wouldn't it be better to sit around a coffee shop and talk about a project you could do together and, and maybe write something together or do a skit
together? Because a lot of these TikTok skits or these skits on on YouTube are really short. They're not very long and you guys can just get together and just have fun together. Yes. You don't sit around bitching and complaining with people. Yes, bitching and complaining to you. If it's a great friend, that's understandable, you want to be there for them. But if it's constant. Right. You might need to re evaluate
the friendship. 100% if there's negative, if you find yourself like mostly speaking negatively about things or people. And it's not about being in denial. I mean, there's some crazy stuff, painful, sad stuff going on in LA right now. So it's, it's important to acknowledge that and, and express like, Oh, I'm, you know, I'm this is making me feel this way, this way.
But if you're just like speaking negatively and cursing this person and that person, no matter who it's you're cursing what, what, how you feel about wherever you're coming from. If you're just, you know, it's just negative, like that's good that that also changes your brain chemistry and it's kind of. It perpetuates itself. It's it'll, it'll roll out and keep rolling out and it won't stop exactly. You know when they say stop the madness, that's exactly what they need.
Just stop the madness A. 100% it's not. That's different than talking about this is making me feel this way. Just like anger is just spewing out all the time. Like that's not going to help you. It's not good for you. It's not good for your your biochemistry. And yeah, I'm being raged enraged online too. I've unfriended probably 25 people on Facebook within the last month and a half because I don't want to read their rage. Yes, you didn't want that energy.
No, I want to be peaceful. Yeah. I want to write another list. Right. Take another thing off, right? I want to hang out with people that that bring me joy and make me feel like I'm 14 again. Oh, I love that. I like that. It's like a standard, a measurement. That's my new measurement. Do I feel like I'm 14 when I'm with this club? Yes to them. Yeah, I mean, if you remember when you were 14, right, like.
Are some of the best memory. I mean even in the midst of being such a turbulent like crazy, you know anxiety provoking. There's also like I laughed harder. I think I peed literally like literally peed my pants more that year than like life I went through it's. Really true, though it's. Just peed my pants like laughing so hard. You know, and I used to my when my parents used to punishment send me to my room, I was thrilled because I got to create dances. You know what I mean?
I would. I would paint, I would listen to music, I would my. God. And then I would have friends over and we would do dances together and. Yes, totally. I remember listening to Loverboy making up dances. But yes, with my my other friend would come over and we'd like listen to the radio and like when the police would come on record, push record like that, you know, making our mixtapes. And I mean, it's like the best, like the like, you wanna feel that way? Yeah.
Get each other in paint, guys. Maybe, maybe, maybe make like a dream board, you know? Yes. Oh, that's so good. Nobody would be judging you on it because it's your creativity and, you know, collecting like, like magazines. So you could pull things out and yeah, and start collecting like little things that you could maybe put on it. That's I love that. Yeah. Dream boards. Dream boards. We should do a. Bunch of things we should get together and make a dream board we. Should we?
Should I? Gosh, but I've done a few of those. It's been a long time, but I remember like, you know, a year to to five years later, I pull it out once and I'm like, Oh my gosh, that actually happened. Like it was just the cool. That's so. Cool. Yeah, super, super fun. Super fun. Yeah, yeah, I have. I have an old dream board and I have a a brand new one. Yeah, I mean the but the other one had an Academy Award on it. So that's still, that's still in the works.
That's still in the works. It has. But it's on it. No, it's not. It. And on keep it on with all the stuff. OK, So what else do I have on my list? I take your list. And actually I I covered everything that was on my list. What do you have on your list? We, I, we kind of did cover it. We kind of went, we kind of do it. I wonder like, would you be good to hear like questions for people like what has been really helpful when you've gone through depression or anxiety? What has been?
What are things that have been the most helpful for you? I do have an acting exercise that they can do that we could leave them with. Oh yeah. OK, so the acting exercise, since you were walking, talking, emotional vehicle for the writer, then why not the next time that you feel something and you're triggered by something, then write down what the trigger is. All of you should have an emotional journal because you
are an emotional being. So why don't you use this time that you're feeling emotional to your benefit because you're going to need to be able to get to every single emotion in your body. So start writing it down or pick an emotion a week. That's so good. Thank you. Let's say you pick I, I like paranoia or fear, you know, and then and then I want you guys to do the, the Rite Aid, CVS bonds, whatever store you want to go into exercise. And this is how the exercise
works. OK, you're going to start in your car and you've got to build it up. Like you're about to break down and cry, but you're going to hold it. Then you're going to go into like CVS and buy like 3 things. And you're going to go up to the counter, have a conversation with the cashier, buy it, go to your car, close the door and break down. And if you can't do that, then you're not at the top of your juicy emotional vehicle. Oh my gosh, that's so good.
Yeah, I called it the Rite Aid exercise, but I should change it to CVS because I don't even know if Rite Aid's even out anymore. But it's a really good exercise to do because you should have a discipline in in your crying vehicle because you never know when they're going to pick you to to go and and shoot because they're always going to shoot the series regulars and the other people that are ahead of you. And that means that you're going to need to hold onto it for a
long period of time. Oh, my gosh, That's so, so good. Yeah. And that is very, very true. One of my actors was in this last fall, was in. He's in the opening scene of a a major horror franchise that's coming out this fall. Yeah. And he has to. He had to, it was an extremely emotional scene. I won't go into the details about it, but it was very emotional. And he said it was he, he took like a few days to recover because even though it's a very short scene, it's very intense.
But he, there was like, you know, the day that they did it, it was they, they did it, you know, for a large part of the day. And he, you know, he'd get to that part and then they'd have to stop because of the, oh, wait, the sound's not quite right. Oh, wait, the lighting's not quite right. And it'd be like, OK, wait, no, you're at the wrong angle. And so you'd have to stop, do all this technical stuff, and then boom back into like this super gnarly, intense crying scene. Yes.
That is a real, real thing. That is, that is a skill that has got to be developed if you're if you have goals to go far and what. Yeah, you have to be able to to pull it out. You know, I mean, I remember I had booked, what was it, NYPD Blue back in the day? Yes, Yeah, I remember that show. He was with Dennis Franz. He was. He smelled so good. But anyway I segue. Smell. He, Oh my God, he. I was like, what are you wearing? Right.
Anyway, so the scene was very heavy, but I'm thinking we're just about to shoot it and then they call lunch. Oh. My gosh, you're all geared up. You got to start back over because they have to redo your makeup. There's lunch for an hour and an hour to redo your makeup and air. So that's two hours you got to start back up again. Oh. My God. One really great scene, my neighbor was dead and I talked about my neighbor. It was a great scene, but I was crying. I was supposed to cry through
the scene. My goodness. I know they break a lot. Wow, did you find that like doing exercises like that before you even audition for this? Like it was your you had gotten yourself ready to be able to do something like that. Well. Just generally speaking, you have to be a juicy vehicle. So that's why, you know, there's some people that that are in shape. Yeah. Some people aren't, so that's why I'm saying while you're already in an emotional state, use it to your benefit.
Yeah, so good, so good. Love that. Use it. OK guys, listen again. If you really love what we're doing, congratulate us by following us, commenting, sharing, subscribing. Do something. And also, I just found out about
this today. You don't even know about this yet, but the end of August, Clark Sowers, who is the CEO of Expert Effect that we just had on our podcast, just a couple episodes, episode 4, he is going to be running and I'm I'm helping him coordinate a a mastermind, a mental health mastermind. Wow. Going to be somewhere we don't have the dates will be coming out with all the information the date in place soon. But if you have any interest in this at all, it's a mastermind.
Meaning this is really the cool super cool part about it. One of the cool parts about it is that there's there's no specific pre decided topic that everyone's coming together and everyone is going to begin to share what it is that they're dealing with and most want help with. And so as it becomes discussed, it's going to be kept to 15 people. So it's going to fill up super
fast. So if you're interested, go ahead and put your, you know, right in the comments or message us directly that you can message me directly that you're interested in the mastermind expert effect mastermind. Just put them the notes Expert Effect Mastermind or not Notes in comments. Really cool. And you guys want to know Clark is just go back a couple of episodes and you'll yeah, it literally is 2 episodes back and it was, it was called stress management.
In the field and in a long time and. Stress resiliency. Stress resilience. Exactly. And this is specifically for actors, and it's going to be awesome. So is it going to be on in person? It's gonna be in person. Yep. LA in LA, probably. We're looking at a place in Studio City. It's indoors. Right near me. Very close to you and so, but we will have more of the details about that coming. That's exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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