He took my cologne. I started to lose it. Every situation had a price to pay. I threatened to massacre the local borrow once and then columbid and gave him to mind. He made hate so exciting. All my friends were worried I was going to kill him. When my brother was doing drugs. We also house a charismatic psychopath, Erik Harrison. Suddenly choke. Oh. Then he was a master of all shooters. I can't believe I'm doing this, but once you do it, you're like, oh my god,
it's so fun. First guy shot. I was so pissed at him because he didn't take me seriously. I hated when people disrespect I had to give a security props. He was pretty brave, spot d and transient psychosis. I couldn't help myself. He was just getting too exciting. Huh, how were you alrighty at walk street? Turn a little bit. I'm gonna turn around. You can be a cheer. Gets a little bit, turns turn
eric, Can you look at me? I tried earlier, but I try to wipe my face, but just okay, I gotta give bit of bit. Well, listen to me. I'm you text you Cooper Woods out please okay, okay, you're up here on the seventh four. The investigations for everything's being audio video recorded. You're in a police station just for your safety and our safety, and I just got a quickly to do this advisement for you. I think the officers already did to you. You have the right
to me in silence. Anything you say, it can be used against you in a court a law. You have the right at this time to talk to a lawyer and have one present while you being questioned. If you cannot afford one, one will be a point for you. Do you understand those rights? Yes? Awesome? Okay, sit tight. You want some water or something like partner, oh lovesome? Okay, I'll get some water. You guys just wait out here, Yes, speak into that. That's what
I'm not in there? What out here? Okay? I think Aaron, here, you hold hold up your hand. There's some cold water for you. Okay, there's a calf on and everything like that. I broke the seal library for you, but haven't said I'll be back and I want to talk to you in a minute. Okay, Aaron, it's a detective Cooper against play. Hey, yeah, I just want to get some information from you. Uh, how do you spell your last name? Why would be a R or A okay? And mental name initial or okay? And where
do you live every now about with terraces? What's the address there? And that's Mount Lake Terrace? Yeah? Who do you live there with? My parents? What's your cell phone number? And what's the contact number for your parents? Uh? My mom is dad? And your dad? Uh? Two or six? Yeah? Okay? Okay? Type of a second, but oh I want to keep it? Or shit? Oh Aron? How's eyes going? Getting a little better in all plart though? Okay? Yeah, try not to. Uh. The more you rub your eyes, uh
huh, the more you get the stuff in there? Do you want to rint some more? Uh? H uh? Okay, groups up a little bit. Okay, sit type for a second. That's do you see it yet? Out of one age? Do you want a rinse? Again? I don't know yet? Okay? Do you want a wet paper towel or something? Maybe? Oh? What'll I do? What are you good? It might cool your eyes a little bit as long as you don't rub them too much, but you can have your eyes with it. Do you want
to just bring you one. Yeah, sure there was. There's just some wet Once of the boys into there's a couple of drows here. I can you even Aaron? How's eyes going out? They're a little bit there? Okay, yeah there, y'all starting to open them up? Uh okay. The whip town didn't help any uh not much. Okay, Actually, yeah, I guess Air. That's the other thing is you're gonna keep your eyes
open a little bit. I didn't. They'll take a while. It takes forty seven minutes to an hour before I go away the effects it's been until it's gonna take over for a little bit. So I'm just out here. If you need something this yell all right? Hmmm, Aaron, how you feeling now? Oh? When I opened my eyes and started getting moist, and because you got it right around the cracks, that's the bad part. Uh okay. I got my partner here. I don't know if you can
take a crack and look at her, I don't know. This is a detective Duffy. Hi, how are you doing? Okay? Hey, I just wanted to talk to you real quick, sure about what happened today and other things and just get some inside information about the whole thing. Okay, sure, and just let you know it's uh seventeen fourteen hours or five fourteen pm. Okay, Now you said you'd live up not like Charis with your parents. Yeah? Okay, are you born and race here in Washington?
Yes? Where were you were born? Out there? My lakes in Seattle? Okay? I looked up in the Mounta Lake Terrace all your life? Yeah? Okay. Where'd you go to high school? If fight? I was home school through it all? High school? I don't know. I have hook And what do you do for work? I work, uh fred Meyron Lake City? And uh what do you do at? Uh? Fred Meyer? A partial clerk on the card pusher. I like fred Meyer too, and one on Lake City, the one with the roof top parking type
thing. Yeah, the second story. That's a nice. Uh, that's a nice fred Meyer always talk everything on sale too. Yeah. It doesn't have everything, but it does have most of the things and it's nice to get around that because it is smaller. You work there full time, part time, part time. Do you have any other jobs? No? I just started working or thirty weeks ago? And how old are you again? Twenty six? Be towarding Southern next month. I see that as far as
I mean. Do you parents know where you're at right now? No? I they were at work when I started packing my stuff. Okay, m are you member that school? H Do you go to school there? Give me any one minute? Eyes are? Do you want more napkins or anything like that? But sure? Can you just reach in the bathroom there and do you want want and wet whatever hopes actually dry because the wet switches the stuff around in his eyes. You've got dry You got dry ones right here,
partner, Aron, right here, you got it? Okay? What was a question? Do you go to school there? Where? At? Uh? What is that? Seattle Pacific or Seattle University? Oh? No, I don't. I I wanted to. I'll explain. Well I know, but i'll explain when we move on. Okay, Because I was talking to a trol lonster that brought you in here, and they're telling me. You're telling them stuff about what happened today. Yeah, I was when I got when I got caught, I might as well was just linded all out.
Okay. I was meaning I was meaning to die, Okay, but I got caught instead, Karon. But here's a damp I was frond of you is in your eyes and just kind of hold it there. Wow. Oh okay, and then there's some there's some more dry ones right in front of you if you need to use the dry ones. Okay, okay, So why are you gonna ask questions? Or do you want me to just start explaining? Why did you start explaining? I grew up in a Christian home, like my family's very Christian? Okay, I started off being in
that way. And Aaron, I don't mean to interrupt you, but can you lift your hand up a little so you out of your mouth so we can hear you a little bit term? How's uh? That's better? Uh uh? I had uh a higher level ocd F. If I was thirteen and I was lonely growing up, I felt like I started to become psychotic
or something because I noticed I've been living in fantasy then reality. I I made people want to hate me because I thought I was part of them, but when when I was really part of what, I was part of their crew, when I was really bugging them, Okay, and then because I kept going through the same spot over and over because it was part of the routine, and I need certain belongings and that certain routines to keep me sane. I don't know why, but it just it was just like that,
what do you mean belongings? Like I needed certain things to for my routine. Is like my cologne, my bedroom furniture, my like just certain things like just like basic things like what people like I can't really explain, like everybody he's OCD, but like I need certain like belonging to tell and they can't go until it's ready until a certain time. And that's what made your
day normal. Yeah, okay, I knew it was something affected that it would it would automatically change my mental state, made it made the compulsions go from good to evil. But I couldn't. I couldn't stop it. And I knew I couldn't treat it all my own it. But but my the first time, when I was twenty one, when my brother was doing drugs, he let his junkie friends come in, and what guide that kept bugging me? He took my cologne, which I used every day. I started
to lose it and started making death threats. Tellerhan Tallerhan, it was a quote acquaintance, is what it was going to do to him. Well me ask you this. Have you ever had contact with the police and then in these times or anything like that. No, I was just going insane. I'm going to say I was just losing it. I wanted, I was just I had no my OCD. I had requirements. I had to take it in my own hands to get the respect, not just respect, but
every situation had a price to pay. What do you mean situation like if someone threw off a routine or someone took something from me that I needed, There had to be a price to pay, whether if it was uh well once the cases like that, like if there had to hurt or kill someone, it was just a higher level where I couldn't handle myself. Have you ever heard anybody before it? No, I knew I was being safe about it. I knew I was. I stayed away from those kinds of people
because I was trying to be good. I wanted I had it. I knew I had a future to live up to and I wanted to be the good guy. But my parents didn't understand what was going on with me. And when I was twenty three, I had a I had my bed at that I used for a while, but they didn't talk to me and wanted to work on it with me, and and they took out the bedroom furniture because they they said it had to go. I told him wait, and I told him not yet. And because it wasn't taught that, they just
wouldn't listen. And and then I started losing I I kept drinking daily. They ignored my drinking and told me to go to therapy. And it was all about therapy. Because are you seeing anybody right now? What do you mean? Are you seeking anybody for uh, any type of medical condition or anything like that right now? Uh as a mental, mental, physical, drinking whatever. H H. I stopped seeing my psychotherapist because I didn't I couldn't afford it. Who's that Samantha Good? Is that person local? Uh?
She her office is an east Lake. When did you stop seeing her? It was recently. It was about a probably a about three months ago maybe. And when you say east Lake, are you talking down on East Lake or East Lake over like on the east side east Lake just past the U District? Okay, Alva, Okay. So you've been having these issues and stuff like that. So I knew I could have gotten to therapy.
It just wasn't time yet, but people were trying to force me. Even my friends were bugging me because when when I was losing about losing it that day, therapy just kept getting into my head. I started getting stubborn and not going and don't And later after I was done drinking, and like after you're drinking, I just went to UH. I went to I found I found some Mantha Good. The main reason I went to therapy was to get everyone off my back. I knew it wasn't gonna do anything, but I
gave it, decided to give it a shot. Anyway, Who was paying for UH doctor Good? My my parents did at first, and then they had me do it because I realized I was drinking while I was seeing her. And were you prescribed medication or anything like that? Yeah. I went from my psychiatrist, Heidi Iwanski, how do you spit her last name? Uh i w A and as ki? What would you prescribe you? The prozac and whispertal? But she she diagnosed me with transient psychosis and OCD.
But when I realized but when she told me about OCD, I realized that it's more, it's on a higher level. Than what people really think. I can't control myself no matter what's going on. Okay, I can't control my mental state even if I wanted to help. I couldn't stop wanting to do the things I've been planning on doing. Okay, So how I mean, how long have you had these feelings? The evil feelings are the good
ones? Oh? Uh? Since I was thirteen. The good feelings until twenty three when my stuff got taken away, my bedroom burniture got taken away. So in the last three years, you've started having these bad feelings? Yeah, and can you describe the bad feelings to me? I started I just felt nothing but hate, one hundred percent hatred towards the world, towards everyone. I threatened to massacre the local bar once because I just wanted everything
and everyone to die. And then Columbine gave him to mind. I don't know how, but it just hit me. I've been when I was watching the news, the kid I Columbine look, Eric Harriss camed into my head, the mastermind of the shooting right, and I kept identifying with him ever since the past three years, because he just made everything so exciting. He made hate so exciting. Well, I mean in Columbine he used explosives and stuff like that. Did you ever thought about that or did you mastermind?
I'm not smart enough to make a make to go on the internet figure out how to make bombs, Okay, I just I just go by my instincts of what I've learned, okay. And what have you learned? How to shock and rifle and pistol shooting? Okay? My family or marksman? Your mom and dad are well? Well, my dad, my brother are okay. What's your brother's name, Joel? And uh, do you have any sisters? Yeah, Brandy, b R A, N D I any other brothers and sisters? No? Okay? And one of my issue was going
on. Humiliation started going because all my friends were worried that I was gonna kill them, and the during the death threats of the bar and I couldn't look at them the way they used to. They they treated been treating me different, like they've been closed men on me. Are been getting paranoid and the world was going against me, and all right, all was Joel. Joel is twenty five, twenty four, going on twenty five in February. And how about Brandy? Brandy is twenty nine. Okay, excuse me,
and that first boat getting to me too a little. So you have these bad feelings since about twenty three to last three years. Yeah, did you talk to this with your psychiatrists and your and doctor Good too? Yeah? I told him everything they know. They know a lot more than anybody than than uh, especially Samantha Good. She knows almost everything I've told her. We had a lot to talk about in the past two years. They ever,
did they ever confine you or anything like that? What do you mean, like involuntary commitment or anything like that, volunteerily commitment, I like in a hospital to be evaluated or anything like that. No, I no, I refused. They suggested it, but I refused because I've been into the emergency room for drinking. It was uncomfortable being in a hospital. I totally understand that part. So you talk about what you know as far as your family be in marksman, I mean, oh men and my family. Yeah,
okay, does the man? Does everybody own guns in your family? Well? Oh yeah, most of them were stolen. Uh. When my brother was doing drugs. We also housed a charismatic psychopath is what I like to call him, because he manipulated my family, and he stole from us and and made him think that it was my brother that did it. And who was that? His name was Jeron Bernal. He's in my private journal. I have a diary in my truck. I told the cops the white
truck. Yeah did they? Did you read it? I haven't read it yet. These dark feelings made me go from the Christian muse to admiring sadism. And that's when the hate started feeling really good because I felt that God betrayed me. I've been praying for him to help me, but but I didn't feel like you didn't answered my prayers. I can understand that, Flings. I got a question for you, yet, when you when we started talking about this, you said you had packed your things this before you started
on this thing. I know you had a shotgun. What else did you pack? Honey knife? And of course I haven't talked to any of my detectives up at the scene, but what type of shotgun was it? It was a browning over and under a statory. I used that for sporting plays, okay, And of course I'm talking to you here, I haven't seen your shotgun or anything like that. Did you have it modified? Was it cut off anything like that? No, in case I got pulled over or
got caught up or something. I hit it in a garbage bag, like if I was packing some like if I was just stuffing stuff in there. Okay. I assembled it in the shock in the in that truck because my windows were presented. I knew no one couldn't could couldn't. Okay, So you had this shotgun, you had a hunting knife, anything else? I popped seventy five rounds of ammunition because I thought it was going to kill an injure more people. Okay, what type of animal were using? Just I
was using dove loads the bird shot? Yeah? Steel or lead blood? Remember what number? No? Okay, he said lead right, I'm sorry. Yeah, okay, I've been playing. I've been playing about to talk SPU because, oh, because I had to stay local. Washington State University was supposed to be the main target, isn't. I wasn't really targeting anyone specifically. I just had hatred towards the world, but I didn't want to tap my own cities. Right, Let me ask you this. So you
didn't have a handgun or anything like that. No, I don't want and know how to get into my dad to safe okay. And you had seventy five rounds with you? Yeah? Did you have the rounds in scale your truck when they when you were stopped by the cops. No, it was just a case how you go all pulled over? Okay? Because I had to be prepared. I want to take a set of water. It was just I don't know, I was making no worse when I'm trying to open
my eyes. Well, you don't have to. I mean, I guess it's the to get something the mucous membrane in the eyes and everything like that, and the more you rub it and stuff like that, you just kind of have to just sit calmly and try not to touch your eyes and trot right now, So you you broke the shotgun down, and I put it in a garbage back before you took it out to your car. This, Yeah, I put in my back pocket in there so it'll look like it.
There's no shotgun in there. There's just a book, bunch of stuff and my sweatshirt of how long now, how long is the barrel in the shotgun? Thirty two inch? Okay? So you assembled it in your car when you got to the school. Yeah, the officers were telling me you said something about that you plan man, you told me this already, but that you've taken a tour of that campus. Yeah, two mondays ago. I manipulated these of quite a few students. But but I used two girls
to give me a private tour. I didn't even have to ask. I acted like a transfer student. And the way I approached and made them one to give me a tour. Where'd you meet him in? I was just walking around. I don't know specific areas. Did you get their names? Uh? I met this one black girl. She was really nice. I don't know how to pronounce or I don't really know how to spell her name. I don't know how to spell her name, but I think you was
pronounced it as a droja. Okay, that's the closest I remember. And then she gave me about a ten minute tour. Really helped me out in my riding. So I told her away to single her out for doing not because I didn't even have to ask. She was a volunteer until I showed a little remorse for that. Okay, did she show you the whole campus as much as she she knew. Okay. Is she an English student or was she a science ye? Okay, I think I remember that she from
the United States or from another country. I don't remember. Okay. I know she lives in a dorm. Okay. And remember if she was a freshman, sophomore, senior. I don't remember. But I remember the second girl being a being a sophomore. Okay. In another gal? Was she a white gal or black gale? He was a white girl. Her name is Kyleeen. I mentioned her in my writings too. I showed remorse for her too. I told her I said I would single her out too.
She assigned student also, she was she joined me. She was in the children's head Oh, okay, so two month days? If I was that what you said? Yeah, okay. I adn't talked to the the academic person. I manipulated him too. I was acting like I wanted to transfer there. Where were you telling? Where were you transferring from? Where was it storyed? In this community college where I was where I was going for a few years ago? So this was the academic advisor. Yeah, remember
who that was? I don't remember his name, but he wore glasses. He had short blonde hair. He should remember me if if my face is on the news. Okay, I wasn't really trying to get fame. I was just trying to I was really just trying to express my hate how I really felt about the world. I understand. So two mondays ago, remember what time you were up there? About one one ish, one thirty ish. I remember checking the time when I was in the when I found the
Autumn Miller Hall. That's where I met Adroja. Okay, that was about one fifteen maybe. So you started, did you get showed up at that hall and and they you met him there? Or how did I go? I was charged. I was doing a hunter and fisherman's technique by scouting my area. So I think, why that's why I went to the campus early
to scout my area. And and uh, and I asked. I went up to with a few students, guys and girls, asking them where the math room is, and that's where autom Miller is because I told him, oh, I'm going to I'm thinking about transferring here. Blah blah blah blah blah. Why the math room? All right, I'm just curious, Oh, just to be casual, because I was, I told him. I was doing business major okay, and then you ended up at the auto hall
or what's it called Auto Otto Miller Atto Miller. Girl told him told me where it was, but the campus was too big for me to recognize because I'm not havn't experienced universities, right, And now I've approached this this guy, he was about nineteen or twenty. I was trying to make sure where I was going. He was a nice kid. I don't I didn't get his name or anything, but he was white, uh blonde hair. He told me where he told me He pointed to the direction while I was where
I was meaning to go. Okay, So did the two girls show you the inside of Otto Miller at Hall? Yeah? Okay. How much time do you think he spent there? Oh? I just well the first time, well absolutely not those ten girls. It was the show that what the one guy and girl drink a little water. But that one guy and girl I told which I mentioned, right, did they led me there and I
just started exporting the hallway. Okay, did you go through the whole building or I tried to go as I just went to the first part, and then that's when I met Audroja. She was talking to her blonde friend. Okay, I was going to approach the blond girl, but she was opening the door to get to class, and then I caught up with Audroja. Okay. I don't know if that's exactly her name, but that's the best way I could pronounce it. Do you know how many floors are in that
hall? Two? Okay? Did you ever make it to the second floor when you're on your scalt No, I just made it to the first. I just wanted to the closest area I could find. Okay. Did you check for exits and entrances and things like that, ingresses, egresses type thing like for students to escape? Yeah, oh, I knew there was one in the back, but okay, but there was a long run, okay. And I mean I know you know the police caught you and everything. You This was your own plan, right, yes, okay. No one
else is helping you with this or anything like that. No, the guidance of Eric harrisons some wei chow in my head. I've helped me out, Especially Eric Harris. He was a oh man, he was a master of all shooters. Let me ask you this, So when you scouted this two mondays ago. You checked for the exits and entrances to the billy. You never made to the second floor. No, I didn't bother So how long
do you think you were there on your scout in the building. I was just exploring, walking up and down the halls to make sure I know where there's classrooms that make and and yesterday I made one one more stop, but because I had to make sure people were there, because just in case I didn't, I was in the middle of final sort of classes got out earlier. Yeah, and remember what time you were there yesterday? One out of three, So there were people walking out of the class, but there were
more people than today. Okay, so people, I'm assuming people got thrown with their classes early before finals. So did you go there yesterday at three and come back? Because this this it sounds like this whole thing started about three thirty, I mean yesterday when you was it like a dry run yesterday then yesterday? Yeah, I just I just had to. I just made a drive to make sure I saw people. I didn't go in the building. You didn't go in the buildings. I just had to make sure people
were walking to their buildings. Okay, and you saw people coming and going, yeah, okay, so this morning, I mean, when did you I mean, when did you decide to do this this morning? Or was it last week or did you have to stay in mind? Or how'd you come out with this today? To start today? I was trying to go with what Eric Carros was playing, like pick a day, but I couldn't
do that. I wasn't I wasn't as organized as he was. Right, Oh so I just I just had to play it by ear and but I had to make sure I had to go before classes were before classes were out, because finals are good. People were getting ready for finals and people there's only certain days. And how'd you know they were having finals? I got
information from the the academic person. Okay, then I and I snuke some information from other people, like my brother in law said he was going to Seattle, you, I asked, I asked him when, So he's on a snuggle a snuk. I was being sneaky and said, so do you so you're own finals this week? You said, no, a couple of weeks, but that was last week. Okay, and uh so, but you you basically learned from the academic advisor two Mondays ago. Yeah, you
just would be finals weeks. Uh, what the I think next week was supposed to be finals week or this week? But I had to go before before I knew it was too late. Okay. If I had, if I knew it was too late, then I would wait over the summer and then pick and go into sometime in the fall. Okay. So this was kind of your last shot make it vacated, right, Yeah? And I had, and I wanted to get out of this world so bad that it's
like I can't wait anymore. I can't attack while as you were Central, I'm just gonna go local and use what I have because I've been trying to save up for the white, the right weapons, the right equipment, and I was and I was trying to be well organized, but I my OCD kept making me want to spend more money, and I was disorganized with that. Did you buy the shotgun yourself? Or yeah, from a from a member at the range, but that was like years ago. That was I
was about nineteen at the time. Did you So if I run to certain number on that shotgun and you're gonna come back to you, I don't know if if we put in my name, but I know, I know he wouldn't have. I don't want to get hit him in trouble because okay, because because this is what when I was on my good side, right, and how nobody could knows. No, I'm sure nobody could tell that I was able to do because I was being sneaky. I didn't want anyone know. I just wanted to be done over and die, right. So do
you have other weapons or anything like that? I mean, I there more stuff in the truck that you know when I look in the truck. Am I gonna buy more weapons? No? I'm being honest. I'm a man of my word. Even I asked my friends, and at your house, do you have other weapons at your house? At your mom and dad's house. No, they got all caught stolen from drawn. They got the first kid that I hit out out in the outside of the building. Right.
He kind of looked like him at first. Oh, well, it's like, have you heard of the story about Elisa boost Elisa Boustamani, the kid who the girl who killed her nine year old neighbor. Yeah, that's kind of like what she said. Oh, You're like, I can't believe I'm doing this, but once you do it, you're like, oh my god, it's so fun. Right, and they got the you mean today the first guy you shot at first? Yeah, first guy shot at I was
so pissed at him because he didn't take me seriously. I hate it when people disrespect me, but I can't let out what I'm incapable of letting out my true feelings. But but I first felt I was able to get respect once I made that first shot. Well, I want to get to that too, and I want you to explain that to me in detail, but I might not be the way I wanted to put it, but it right
be something like that. Yeah, I want I'm still at the point where you packed every you broke the shotgun down, You got seventy five rounds. Yeah, you bought all that yourself. Yes, okay, And I bought that weeks ago. I hit it in my room and then my parents would respect my my my room and I hit bul. I hid bolt cutters there because when I was going on my random out killing people when I was on my issues, and so my parents locked them up and I broke the lock.
They had some metal on it. So okay, so you only have that shotgun, and you brought that knife. You broke the shotgun down, but you reassembled it in your truck. Yes, So what time did you leave your house today? So I on a slow start. I left around two fifteen, but there's a little bit of traffic, and I was getting ready around twelve thirty, getting ready for the day, and delayed my time because my brother called and I called him back. He didn't suspect a thing.
I didn't be good us. It's just I didn't even feel remorse for what I was about to do for I, or I didn't even feel for how my loved one felt. I just it's true what they say. I even wrote this in my journal. It's true what they say. When you go through a lot of stress out a period of time, you start to lose a lot. You can start to lose emotion and I feel anything.
Okay, that's a big change that I felt. So you packed all these things, you load them into your truck, and it's the truck registering your name and mine and my mom's okay. How long have you had that truck? For? About three years? Maybe? What kind of truck is this? It's a Chevy S ten two thousand, and two Chevy S ten. Is that the smaller version? Yeah? Okay, and it's white, right. Yeah. You don't happen to know the plate day you? No,
I'm going off my heart. Okay. I don't even know my plate nowadays with so many the letters and numbers on them. So you put everything in your eye, you assemble it in there, and you get there and you just go to the out of Miller Hall there. Yeah, did you park? I parked right across the street, okay, right facing the entrance. Okay, I was before I parked in the back where two people were like doing a little projects, right, But I didn't I didn't pack everything up
yet. I had to make sure I could go into about exit, but the exit was locked so I couldn't get in, so I had to I had to drive around in park that today towards the entrance. Yeah, okay, So you park out in front of the entrance to somewhere your shotgun. And I don't know if the officers recovered more rounds on you when they took you in the cussy or how many rounds did you take with you. I popped fifty on me, but I had seventy five total okay, because that's
all I could sneak into my sweat in the pocket. Okay, so when they took you into Cussy, he hadn't they took rounds off you. Yeah. The the security that that to me down, they they reach in my pocket and shovel them out. Okay. I was reaching for mine hunting knife, not to kill more people because I know I got caught. I was trying to slip my throat to die, but they took that away from me. Okay, what kind of hunting knife is it. It's a skinning knife
with one of those hooks on the Oh yeah, yeah. It was just like a dying wish. But it's like it's not when people say kill yourself and not taking us of people. It's like one of those things where you just like when your hate gets to you and you're like, I wanted to do this because this is how much I hate people. I turned against humanity, but I couldn't stop wanting to Well I understand that feeling. Let me ask you this, So when you get out, where do you encounter the
first guy? Again, I haven't been out there. I was trying to hold two people hostage, just to have a little fun, right, But they didn't take me seriously. They were laughing at me. Did you show them the SHACKU? Yeah? I said, hey, you two get inside. These one girl and one guy that they were talking to each other like they were they were just staying they're laughing at me. Yeah. And then and then I pointed to that one guy that I shot, and I said, I said, hey you, oh, hey, you get inside?
And he said, ha ha, you think you can scare me with that thing? And that's when I got mad, and I was gonna shoot people anyway, but I was really mad at him. We're doing that, okay? Was that the first guy you shot? That was the first guys shot? When he turned his back, I started walking, I put one in his shoulder. I think it was a shoulder. I didn't see any blood, but I saw him go down. What's the capacity of that shotgun coming round? Oh it's a double barrel, so too, okay. Accidentally drive
fired my second barrel. So that's how I got caught. I couldn't so I can only load one in one round in because the over under right. Yeah, it seemed like the firing, either the firing pin stick stuff or that round was a dud and I just left it in there. Okay. So basically, so you're down to one one barrel, yeah, okay. So you're like, you fired, then you had to reload. Yeah, okay. And you said the second round or the second round in the second
chamber didn't go off. The first guy you shot, you shoot him the first time? Yeah? Did you pull the trigger to hit him with the second time with the second barrel? I tried to hit the girl that laughed at me with the second barrel and then and then but she hesitated for about five seconds for him being shocked, right, and then she took off running, and while I was trying to pull the trigger, So I chucked into that one and then and then reloaded and then went inside the building. Okay,
and then what'd you do there? Were I saw a few people inside when I was walking around. The first time I saw I saw the guy on his laptop. I didn't point the gut at him, but he showed him the shock and I said. He took off his her phones and I said, I don't want to have to hurt you. The guy out there, I said, stay calm, I don't want to have to hurt you. He said, okay. He looked a little shot because I had a gun in my hand right, and I said, I I shot a man
outside because he disrespected me. I don't want to have to hurt you. He said, okay. And then a girl came downstairs. I said, I said, I don't want to have to hurt you. She laughed at me too and just kept blocking. That made me mad too. It was like, I don't get respect from people. They don't take me seriously. I was growing up people and wouldn't take me seriously. They did, They
would just laugh at me. So the gallet was coming down the stairs when you told her when you showed her the gun, and she laughed at you, did you shoot her? To him? I shot her, yeah, I think it was an arm. And then she screamed okay. And then and then the guy I and then the guy I was talking to. At first he took off okay, and I tried to and I tried to fire my second shot again, but I realized that that was the bad barrel. Okay, but I got it. And then I tried to inject the shell.
Okay. I injected it and tried to put new one in, but I didn't break it in all the way, so that way it took him. That's why it took me so long to reload. And that's when the security came out and maced me. How many people do you think he shot? I remember shooting too, but there were two girls in back of her, so I probably hit a couple of them too, because because because they said I had two more victims who said that the officers. Okay, let
me ask you this. The first guy you shot, you shot when he turned his back on you. Yeah, how close were you too? I was just about fifteen twenty feet okay. And the girl that was coming down the stairs, how close were you to her? Twelve fifteen feet okay? And you saw other women behind her, yeah okay. And so but you were targeting the gal that was laughing at you, yeah, okay. But with dub shot it duve shot right. Yeah, steel you know thirty.
It's probably a big pattern. Huh. Yeah, it goes out farther for the longer the barrel, the longer I'll go out. You shot the shotgun before, I haven't you. No, I'm well experienced with shotguns and rifles. Okay, Why I mean, I have a curious question why bird shot versus like double lot or something like that. Double there's just only six rounds and buck shot. But it won't when the spreads, it won't go.
It won't the pattern won't be as close as you want. Right, then you have to shoot only one lead ball will hit, but it won't be a big impact as much as a as a thirty off six rifle would. Right. But if you do a but if you do a lead shot, a bird shot a close range, that would disintegrate a human face. True, but you said and you were using lead right Yeah. And plus I'm using an over and under barrel. That's not good for buckshot. Okay,
Yeah, I'm just curious. Yeah, because that was made for supporting plays, not made for heavy duty loads. Okay. And why a shotgun versus like a handgun, Because I'm because I know my lead on on shotguns. I know how to hit moving targets, the soles, I'm blessed accurate. Plus my dad had a smaller barrel and which is lightwood. I'm easier to hit with heavier guns. Okay, Aaron, you said that you you bought the AMMO just recently. Where did you buy that? At? Adventor Sports?
Were usually just my hunting equipment. And where's that at? It's in Linwood? Okay, did you buy the knife there too? I bought the knife at Big Five just before my barrel hunting. When was that? I was about three years ago? Maybe? Okay, so it was Carter a while ago. Was that also in Linwood? That was in Aurora close to Edmonds or something? Uh huh Big five or a knife? Yes, but that was a few years ago, three years ago? And you you actually went on a bear hunting trip? Yeah, on my good side? Who'd
you go on that way? My brother in law? Did you get anything? No? It was no, No. We uh we decided to try again later because we left a little bit later than we wanted to. The bears were already uphill. And where'd you do the bear hunting trip? Ap over and Randy Creek just passed Steven's Pass. And how long ago was it that you bought the hammer? Was it like, did you say three weeks ago? Or did I miss h I bought it about about three or four weeks ago. I bought that ahead of time because I had to. I
had to spend money. I was doing temporary work before Fred Mayer. I had to. I had to. I had to you. Uh oh, well, I was gonna say I had to. Uh sorry, I was distracting me from all that. Makay I. I had to bye bye it early enough because I had my last part. Yes, take a lot of water, but get that out of your throat. I had had my lot, I had my last I was twenty on me. I had to get something because, oh, because I was, my time was running short. Is that better? Yeah? And if I wanted to die, I had
I had the price had to be paid first. It's like a requirement. I couldn't stop. Do you did you buy all the animal and one one purchase? I bought the first box just about a week or two weeks. I got up before the others. I had to get something, just to accomplish something first. How many rounds in a box? Twenty five? About three? Three boxes? Told have three different occasions, two different occasions. What the first time was about two weeks before the others I bought two was
the other at the same time. I had And so security took you in. The security sprayed you with pepper spray. Yeah, okay, as you were reloading. Yeah, I could have got away with it if if I knew my barrel was four one knew if I knew my barrel, my bottom with barrel was was a dud. And and also if I knew, I would have broken in more because it shot. The show won't go in if the barrel is not if the if you don't break it in all they'll break it. Break it open all the way. And where's the shotgun? Now?
Police hold it? Okay? Did you see the police take it? No, but they put it in a room. I know they have it somewhere. Okay, but it's their scene. Yeah, okay, So see the school security pepper sprayed you. And how soon after they sprayed you did the cops show up? So they were pretty quick bester than I expected. There was probably about maybe it was minutes, probably about maybe four to six
minutes. That's what it felt like. I don't know, they capt time and the okay, well, no no disrespect, but how the way it felt just I don't know, feeling that hateful power. Just when I heard the SWAT team was there, it just made me feel good. But but that was me feeling my hate when you hear the SWAT team was there. The officers said that the slote swat team was there and and they had their keys or something. Oh okay, well what if you ran into the swat
team guys? Oh well, if I had to, Well, if I'm wanting to die, so they gave me no If they gave me no choice, I have no choice but to shoot. I don't begin him to kill me. Make priority was to die, but I had to pay the price onhow right? It was just a requirement. My OCD just kissed to me. Okay, it's like extreme or something that. No matter like I've been trying to warn people like I. No matter how hard I tried, I can't stop. I can't control who I am when I was something effects them.
It's done good parts of it. Aaron, you said you were on the pro back and there was spirit at all when you were doing the counseling. Did you stop taking those mads or are you still taking them? I stopped because I was stubborn and I wanted to feel my hate, and plus I didn't think it was working. I just I just loved the hateful feeling. I was thinking, what did it was a point of being good in the world against me? How long ago has that been since you stopped taking
it. Oh, I've been taking it off and on, but I've been I haven't been taking it for about six months. Maybe I lied to my psychiatrist. So when was the last time you saw your psychiatrist? I was. I don't remember the exact time. I mean, like a couple of weeks ago, or has it been months as well? Uh? I think it was sure it was months. It was kind of quite a while. Okay. If I had a choice to not feel this way, I wouldn't have done this. I wouldn't have wanted I thought, I wouldn't have wanted
to kill people. I wanted to live a happy, successful life. But my hate caught it my way. The compulsiveness was just overcoming me. But let me ask you. You knew if you go to the school and you start shooting people, that you're gonna have to answer to us, right, yeah, okay, And and you know you just can't go killing people. But I understand you know you don't like the world and everything like that. Yeah, right, I know, I under no, I understand everything.
I was acceptually expecting that answer. But no, I just as you just couldn't stop wanting to Right, how do you think that your your parents are going to react to this situation. Oh, they're going to be very devastated. Ever since they got my idea, why they got they were pretty devastated too. This is going to really hurt them. I mean, do you think that they're gonna somewhat understand because if you're OCD and you're and the way things have been going, or it's just going to be a total shock to
them. Because there's gonna be a total shock to them. But they knew I've been having the issues, but they I don't know. I just stopped carrying and I stopped carrying a belt. Do you want me to call them and let him know you're here with us? Yeah, that's fine. Okay, it's a type of person. You need anything else, water or anything like that. No, I'm fine. I'm gonna get parents information. I got it, got it, Okay, I'm sure my friends will be really
hurtful, but I'm gonna be with nothing. But's come to them now? Oh yep, we'll see Aaron. Yeah, okay, it's a technic Cooper. I got a question for you. Sure are you feeling okay right now? M say sin as before? Okay, are you on anything right now? What have you been drinking it all today? Doesn't suppably meant that they wu ask that. I just I'm thinking of you, man, I've been drinking or anything like that. No, I'm sober. I'm queen. Okay,
any medicinity, solcation or anything like that. I have to stay sober to stay motivated. Okay, sounds good. Yeah. Have you talked about doing this with anybody or you told anybody about this? No, when I was field on alcohol at the time, when I was threatening the massacre of the bar. That's the only time I've told something I was going to do something like that. Nothing of that, John Cho doctors, We'll just get the signatures in your names. Can you see good enough? Right now?
I've been trying to open the eyes. It just won't work. Do you have any problem giving us authorization to get your medical records from your doctors as in your permission? Well, we need your permission. Yeah, I'll go for it. Okays, my god, I got caught, so now I have to accept it. That's all I'm going for that. Well, I appreciate your cooperating with us, that's for sure. Real quick, right here, I need you to open your eyes. So you can see some of
this so I can read it to you. Okay, this is just an authorization disclosed protected health information. I'll put your name on here. Well, he's doing that. I just have a couple of questions about the the OCD you were kind of and and I'm asking because I don't understand. I don't understand it. I don't know much about it. You were seeing the thing about the bedroom furniture and about the cologne. Is there any other examples that
you can tell me about that that would really get under your skin. I can't confront anybody. That's why I've been holding my anger and too. I've been taking people's crap for so long. If like if I, if I get hit or anything, then I have no choice but to kill them. So that's why I've been backing down from fights and all that. Okay, people started not to take me seriously or anything. When I said I would mess somebody up, I didn't mean fighting. I meant statistically, okay,
And you've never heard anybody before. I never wanted to. When I when I get your journal, I start reading your journal, Are you gonna have notes and stuff about this and there? Oh? Yeah, I'm Oh, you knew some things. I was gonna be in there? What else? What would you say? I'm telling you what's gonna something that's about louts. What's gonna be in there? What's in there? Oh? Just what we've been talking? Oh? Okay, So you've been writing all this stuff down,
yeah before you acted it out. Yeah. I wrote it just to get people to understand even though there was gonna be no forgiveness. So in essence, you thought maybe you might die during this situation, and you wanted people to know that's the plan. I was planning to die this whole time. Okay, But as far as your I'm just shutting the door here. As as far as your pod, someone taking your personal belongings was real bothersome to you, such as your bedroom furniture and your cologne. Uh huh.
And then confronting people are standing up to him was really bothersome. Was there anything else that was that really pissed you off? Or ever? Since I got to my hate started this building up because the guys have to get away. We're talking to crap about me, and I had thought to help killing I'm poisoning their beer. I mentioned that in the right away the bar. Yeah, okay, it's not like to me and my dad would go there.
Yeah, I know where it is. So Aaron, real quick, if you can take a peek at this, I'm gonna read this to you. This is an authorization disclosed protected health information, and I'm going to send one to each of your doctors, okay, And the information to be released is summary of medical history and treatment, nurse doctor notes, social worker notes, emergency roomin records, lab or diagnostic tests, radiology records or films,
or any other medical information related to you. This state I understand that the information in my health record may include information related to sexually transmit disease, acquired immune deficiency syndrome AIDS, or human immune deficiency virus HIV. My health record may also include information about behavioral mental health services and treatment for alcohol and drug
abuse. By checking the box at the end of the sense, I choose to exclude the more sensitive information about behavioral mental health services and treatments for alcohol and drug abuse. I understand that M maybe charge additional fee for the movable of this information. Do you have any problem with us looking at that stuff? Well? Okay. Health information shall be released to the c Police department. In addition, medical facility staff may discuss my medical condition in any treatment
with the assigned detective or his or designe. I understand that this authorization expires in ninety days unless otherwise specified, and that the disclosed informations are protected under State and federal law forty two CFR Part two and RCW seventy point twenty four. I reserve the right revoke authorization in writing at any time prior to the ninety days period expiration. Accepted to accept that the facility, the facility which
is to release information, has already taken action in accordance with it. Sound good, okay, and I need your signature right here, partner when I talk to open market called fav again. Okay, can you look real quick? Oh no, Well, whatever he had in that thing, oh, it's an oil based prepper spray, and that's why it stays with you a lot longer. That's the only problem I had to give us security props.
He was pretty brave. Well, I did have let it have a dysfunctional barrel, so it made it easier for him, And it was my fault for not breaking. When was the last time you test fired your gun? Uh? Over? At the range. Yeah, oh, that was that was a while ago, probably, Okay, that was that was probably marbled twenty one maybe. Okay, so it's been a while since you fired that shotgun. Yeah, okay, I think you can sign this writer for me. Can you look a little not yet, Okay, I'll come back and
get it signed with you. Okay, Okay. Now we're gonna see about getting some dry stuff so we can wipe your eyes a little better. Huh huh. But hm m m m m m hm. Oh, yere, Yeah, it's a catch of Cooper gut five. Do you have a computer at home or anything like that? Yeah, And were you communicating on any of this about this stuff on on your computer or do you have anything stored on your computer? No? I didn't play anything on there. Okay,
written every single on my in my journal journal. How about Facebook or anything like that. The only thing I did on Facebook today was trying to I messaged. I messaged one of my friends saying we should have Oh too bad, we didn't. We weren't able to kick it because I don't know, just to get a reaction from him, okay, also to feel some remorse. It was a mixture of that. Okay, hm hm him here now you're feeling it still the same as still strong, trying to use the the
dry paper napkins right here and tried white down on your eyeballs. If you can't, I know it's gonna be a little bracist. Hey when you went up there today, huh and you got out of your car, what were you wearing? I was wearing my my fish shirt, just to be casual and up and it's the lesson to remind me of the good times because I'm big on troll fishing. Okay, did you have that sweat jacket on too? I put it on before I started loading up my shelves. Okay,
do you have glasses on it? I have always one glasses? What kind of what type? I don't know what kind they They're probably on the they they got glasses, No, they were there are regular glasses? Are prescription prescription? Yeah? I got knocked off my glasses when he took me down. Okay, but nothing else? No? Okay, Hey Aaron, how are the eyes doing well? Working on it? Don't matter? Ah? Still, Oh, I don't know what means that oil stuff whatever? That
wasn't the spray stuff. Yeah, I kind of takes a while. We need to take some photographs of you if we could, so I need you to stand up for me. I'll kind of help you out. I about my partner Frank here, So if you hear another person here, I'm gonna kind of guide you over here. It's me and I might have just kind of a big white wall right here. But I'm just gonna have you stand first this way, and then I'll just ask you to kind of rotate as
I take pictures. Okay, Okay, I don't know if I could open my eyes room, you know, you don't have to open your at Okay, now he's about them after this, certainly that would be perfect. We need to get your clothes. Oh water really hit me? Yeah, I'm gonna have a turn to your left, perfect, Turn to your left again, yeah, perfect, One more turn and then face me again. Turn this again. Can you hold your hands out for me? Just straight up, just like straight up this way, kind of fan them out like that?
Can you put them up? Is that funny? Do you have any tattoos or anything? Just one might shoulder blade? Okay, let's go ahead and uh take your sweatshirt off, probably peppers brown all this clothes out. Okay, we'll just put that in. Okay, go ahead and take a T shirt off. We're gonna give you a white sweet to put on, and then let me take a quick pick of your chum too, okay, and then we're gonna escort you to the bathroom and then we'll get the rust
of your clothes. Okay, why this quasi guy you here? Oh, maybe you can rinse your eyes while you're in there room and when you're when you're in this other room will have a change into this white scause there's no camera. H oh there funny you right here ei there? Pay as you are? Sure? Will you right out about? Why? Will? Why do you? Okay? Another word? Where did you try? Right? Okay? Where do you look up? Like? Going here? Your heart up for a second? Tick, that's what we gotta do. Okay,
what do you have your hans do? Superki? I'm trying to have one older eye about talper? What what do people? Old parts were us? Little? Other people would take this wong? Yeah? You real talk? Did you say p? It's probably always means in pools wars? Definitely the seven little you know that VALI rate a little valid room again. Yeah, that's okay, right back, really kind all that black? Get it slow forward? All right? Security about this scum bag? Can you turn right?
Is here in the room? Keep walking here to you see the chair chairs right behind you? Know, so you want some more water? Yes? I would listen and then you can continue with these days paper towels. My nose keeps running. Yes, it's from the the spray and it opens up your uh mucus membrane. And and because it's hot, it makes your nose run. Oh you like pepper with makes your snowy? Okay, So it's it's normal. So just there's tissue or napkins in front of you if
you just want away your nose. Your voice reminds me of one of the drug and alcoholic counselors I had. I liked talking to her. No how long you've been in counseling for drug and alcohol or or a psychotherapy both drug and alcohol. I was in for a year because of my duy h. I completed that, Oh okay, psychotherapy two and a half years. Do you have a diagnosis uh OCD and transient psychosis? Oh okay, all right, need anything else hereon? Are you guys? I think I'll be fine.
Okay, knock them into her if you need something, okay, okay, m oh you can see better? Yeah, you look much better. Hey. Uh so here's those medical forms. I read them to you already. Basically, I just need your signature on this one right here. Okay. Do you want a candy bar or anything like that? Bag of chips or anything like that? Yeah, I'm hungry. Okay, would you have that one right there? Same aspire. We're living on our chips. But I'll see what I can dig up for you. Still type per second.
That's fine. M okay, I'm gonna give you a choice, cool ranch or nachos or both? Oh cool ranch? You want both? Oh? Yeah, work okay, this type per second about about a day. M m m m m m m m m. How are you doing? Your eyes are open? Yeah? How are you feeling? Oh it's a little better, better done? Some more water or I need to use a restroom again. Okay, you want a coke or anything? Or water? Yeah? Olt Terence, coke too? Come all right, Sorry about the delay.
We're just as before. Get something. You know what's done? All right? How did you really have to go? I don't sorry about that. About that not open door? Oh yeah, we're right up here a go. Oh yeah, well, now you drink a lot of coffee, the gases in my system gets held in as well. Yeah yeah. Do you have coffee this marine? Yeah? I drink a lot. I'm a mean addict. Oh you are? Yeah? Just playing on coffee? Or are you a Starbucks person? Uh? Not as much Starbucks as I used
to. I I go to Espresso stance coffee taste better. Oh yeah, yeah. What was I gonna ask you? Oh? I Detective Cooper. When you get a search warrant, we're gonna get a blood sample okay, okay, And so we're just waiting for that to get signed, okay, and then we're gonna uh go up to the hospital, get a quick blood sample, and then book you into King County too. Okay, okay.
Do you have any questions or what's the blood sample for? Well, just to make sure that there's no drugs in your system, okay, or alcohol or anything word like that. Okay. It's just kind of one of those precautionary things that we do. Okay, okay, do you have any questions of us or that I can answer for you? M M Now it's pretty much all it to you. Okay, Well, if you have a question or you want to talk about anything. Oh, I do have one thing.
I ask them how the people that I shot, how are they doing? There's a reason why I'm not in this. Okay, what's your reason name? Oh? But I thought about what I did because the senses is supposed to be a suicide matter. I stopped caring. But when I picked her his body, dropping her screaming, M felt a little different now that you're not dead. Nah, I'm not dead, y'all. Okay, Well, I don't know the status of everybody, but I can try to find
out for you. Yeah, I've been thinking about that, and I didn't. I felt like I didn't care at first because I was supposed to die. But now things it's changed. Like I I still don't have that kind of like that empathy mode where I couldn't shed a tear for it. I've taken it lightly because I don't know how to feel bad anymore. But I do think about it. Yeah, you still have that hate in you, do you still feel? Yeah? Yeah, it's not really I want to
destroy the world anymore. Just said, I just want to get out of this world. So do you think doing this event kind of kind of like release some pressure from you? Yeah, yuh, kind of expressing it made a lot of pressure go away. Cause I never held in I I've held in my anger for so long, and and the stuff that was making me go crazy just turn things around for me caused humiliation, which caused even more hate. And I was going out of control. I couldn't control my who
I was. And and uh, even when people say they understand, they don't know how serious what I was going through. They like I was unstoppable, like an like a freight train with no conductor. Yeah, like I was just on the go. My mind, my state of mind was on the go. It was just complete darkness. Yeah. Do you sleep well? Do you sleep at night? Yeah? You sleep? Okay, Well, I'll see if I can find out for you about the people. Like I said, I've been here the whole time, so I haven't been out.
There were some detectives are out working in the scene and whatnot. So cause now I if I did have a chance, I wish I'd just turned the gun on myself, but I still couldn't. I couldn't help myself. It was just getting too exciting. What I thought of Eric Harrison's song we Chow doing their rampage is just and the and mixture and my hate just maitt it. So those guys are kind of like caros to you. Well,
they became idols. Ever since the past two years when I started going into my hatred, which one is suddenly Chow he's a Virginia, tex shooter, I started admired the bloodshed that was described, and I admired Eric Harris's hate. What he just like he hated everything and everyone wanted to destroy the world and no one was Everyone thinks are too good for him just has to die
and just mixed mixed in with my hate. And it's like when I said everything he has a everyone has a every situation has a price to pay, like that was part of it. It's like the price that was a price to pay. Nah, it just doesn't matter anymore. Things are different now and I don't know, Well, it was a prison out there anyway, so it won't be any different. People I can't trust be miserable all the time. Have you ever been suicidal before this? Yeah? I don't really
telling people. Yes, I have constantly, especially when I'm during my drinking. It's like all this like when my stuff got taken away. My parents wouldn't understand. They didn't even want to understand. When you're trying to say, took your bedroom set away? Why didn't they do that, Aaron? Cause I've had it for a while. They said it had to go. I was trying to tell them. So I was trying to tell them, but they kept denying it and ignoring my issues, and I just kept drinking,
my drinking, my way to sorrow. I kept scaring my friends, and they couldn't think that. They didn't do anything. I kept begging for my family's support. They just they just said, go to therapy. But I but that wasn't the case yet. They had to work with me on it. They couldn't. They were trying to force me. Did they replace your bedroom set or didn't you? Yeah? They'p on the floor or what happened? Yeah? Everyplace? It with the hospital bed on my cousin that
my mom's cousins slept. Uh, that was in my in my great aunt's room before she passed. I'm sure she thought just take getting about from behind my back, it would just make everything go away. And I I have no choice but to accept it. I was trying to tell everybody, let's know, I did, and they were just trying to They were denying me, and they were ignoring my issues until I said I went to therapy and
everything was becoming worse for me. It wasn't. I was trying to use alcohol as a tool to keep myself calm because I know how I was getting, because I know I was going to pick up and I'd either step myself or step someone off the street. So I try to find a way to medicate myself. And that's been going on for a year because I've been going with crazy. I needed something to calm me down. But I drank too much alcohol where that mixed and but I was a well with alcohol. I
can only express it with words. I'm not kickable, I'm I can't. I'm not focused to do with physical things only when I'm sober. Yeah, but I've been underestimated by my family because I'm not the kind of person that would do that because I'd back down from fight. I get all emotional. That was a reason why I was doing that, because because I, oh, see do you think it? I had requirements I couldn't I couldn't stop myself. I couldn't even tell myself no without even doing it. And and
and that's why I was backing down all fights. If someone confronted me, I would I would threaten'em to say oh. And and if they dare try to hit me or steal from me, and something's going something's going down one of us is someone's gonna die and it's not gonna beat me. All right? How how was high school for you? I was going to school through through high school. I wish I went to a high school were in a way, cause I was lonely and I think I went into a psychotic
mode where I was living in fantasy. Did your mom home to school you? Yeah, we went to a resource program. I made quite a few friends here, but we all were all just kids with attention. Yeah, all right. Well, I wanted people to understand how serious I was, what's going on, and I I knew I what I was capable of, And I was trying to get people to understand. I knew going to just going to the therapy wasn't gonna help it. I need be I need them
to work on it with me, and cause there's a certain time. But when there's there's a cut off time until I can move on to the next step. And things were about to and then I went. When I was done with the school court, things were get getting ready to be get better for me. I was starting to mature out of that out out of that stage and going to the next one. Okay, all right, my man, all right, let me go see what I could find out for you. Okay, okay, and we'll try to get this as quickly as we
can. I felt like I realized that I am no Eric Harris at all, but I felt like I did before going through my hatred. Now I'm thinking about what happened. Someone would have done that to me then I would have been horrible. I could have been Oh I wonder what I would be like if I was in Yeah, okay, I still can't shed a tear for them, but I do think about what happened. Okay, now that I'm not dead, it's no a little more serious than it. Now. You just kind of gotta deal with it. R Now you gotta Now,
I gotta deal with consequences. Yeah, yeah, What do you think should happen to somebody that does something like what you have done? Oh? Well, uh, I would say, mm, either if they if they're unstable, just give'em the health they need, and if they're stables and make 'em deal with with what they knew what was coming. Well, how how would how would one make'em deal with it? MM? I don't know what you're asking. What if it was somebody else that did what you did
and they were sitting where you're sitting, what do you think? What do you think the consequences should be for that person? Well, I know I'm going to prison. Do you think that's the consequ the correct consequence for that? Well, I don't know. Well if the all depends on their situation. But like I know, some people go to mental lords in the hospital that sometimes helps them. But some people who would who don't even care what they did. But let's say no, let's say like like you won't like,
should we use that shooting an example or just any murderous crime? That's okay. I was just wondering if you had thought about that. Well, I knew what would have happened to me because what I did, I did what I did, and I got caught and I don't know when joy except whether I was going to prison or uh looney then okay, all right, well I will be back in a little bit, okay, okay, ah, all right, you knock in the door if you need something, sure thing, okay, okay, I can't shut it to you by people care
and ready go Canna tell you about them when we're talking. You can