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[124] Apalachee High School, Winder Georgia

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It is with a pen dipped in the ink of memory that we turn our gaze upon a day that dawned like any other, yet ended cloaked in the darkness of shadows, A day when the ordinary hum of hallways and the cheerful chatter of youth were brutally silenced, replaced by the piercing shriek of terror and the mournful echo of loss. Welcome listeners to Active Shooter. I'm JT your host, and this is where we delve into the chilling wyse, the harrowing howls, and the enduring aftermath of active shooter

and mass casualty events. Thank you for joining us on this journey into the shadows. This is the story of Appalachi High School, a place of learning nestled in the quiet embrace of winder Georgia, a town about fifty miles northeast of Atlanta, where, on September fourth, twenty twenty four, the innocence of a new school year was irrevocably shattered.

It became, in a single horrifying hour, the sight of Georgia's deadliest school shooting, a wound etched deep into the heart of a community, a grim testament to the fragility of peace. If you look this case up, you'll find that the name of the shooter in this episode is wholly inaccurate. For those of you who have been with us before, you know that our team has taken the no notoriety pledge. This means that we will never utter the real name of the individuals responsible for the tragedies

we cover. Instead, we'll assign them a pseudonym, and that's the name you'll hear throughout each episode. It helps us keep the narrative clear while staying true to our commitment denying these perpetrators the infamy they often crave. In today's episode, we will refer to the shooter as Tommy. The sun on that fateful Wednesday, rose with a deceptive warmth over Appalachi High, a public school serving around nineteen hundred students.

Its brick facade, usually a symbol of stability, stood unwitting witness to the unfolding tragedy. The morning began not with a bang, but a series of disquieting whispers, like stones dropped into a still pond, sending out ripples of unease. First there was the anonymous call, a voice from the ether, chillingly precise. Five schools would be targeted, and Appalachi would be the first such threats in a world grown weary

of them. Often fade into the background noise of daily life, but this one, unlike so many other, also carried a bitter truth. Then came the frantic call from Tommy's mother, a mother's intuition, perhaps screaming louder than any siren. For ten long minutes, she spoke with the school administrator, her voice undoubtedly laced with a desperate urgency. She pleaded with them to find her son, a boy barely past childhood,

a mere fourteen years old. She warn't a counselor of an extreme emergency, a phrase that should have, in that moment, brought the world to a standstill. This call, a half hour before the first shot rang out, was a desperate, unheard cry in the wilderness. The administrators, despite her pleas,

could not locate him. Later, the boy's own sister would reveal that he had been speaking of a school shooting that very morning, a premonition shared within their home, a seek that was simply too terrible to keep, but too late to prevent. The mother, in all consuming grief and horror, would decline to elaborate on the exact nature of her warning, but the information she confirmed had been shared with law enforcement. The air inside the school, though outwardly calm, held a

subtle tension, a barely perceptible shift in the atmosphere. In his first period class, Tommy, a boy whose name would soon be synonymous with unspeakable acts posed a question that, in hindsight, echoed with sinister intent. How would the school respond to an active shooter. A teacher, perhaps sensing the unsettling nature of the question or simply following protocol, reported

the comment via email to some school staff. It was a small, diligent act, yet one that, in a cruel twist of fate, missed its most crucial reciption, the algebra teacher, whose classroom would become the eye of the storm. The warning, so numerous, so clear, seemed to fray and snap just before they could be cobbled together. As the clock ticked on towards the appointed hour, the boy sent two brief, chilling messages. At nine forty two am, a text to

his father quote, I'm sorry. It's not your fault. You're not to blame for any of it. Twenty minutes later, at ten oh two am, an even more desolate message to his mother, quote I'm sorry. These were not pleased for help, but pronouncement of his dark, predetermined path that he had paved for himself in only the blackest of asphalt. Around nine forty five am, three minutes later, the algebra classroom door clicked shut behind him, its automatic lock, sealing

the fate of those inside. He had asked his teacher for permission to go to the office to speak with someone. The teacher, perhaps seeing only a troubled youth seeking comfort, allowed him to leave, even take his belongings, an innocent gesture that would soon.

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Turn to regret.

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He made his way to a student bathroom in Jay Hall, a mundane space where the most dramatic events usually involved forgotten textbooks or whispered secrets. There, in the sterile confines of a stall, he transformed. He emerged wearing plastic gloves, a detail that spoke of premeditation, of a detachment from

the horror he was about to unleash. His backpack concealed a rolled up white poster board, which wrapped the cold hard reality of a sig hour M four hundred AR fifteen style semi automatic rifle strapped to his lower torso. And then another cruel coincidence, a moment of mistaken identity that would cause precious minutes precious lives. As he exited the bathroom, another student bearing the same last name and

strikingly similar first name also left the algebra classroom. The school resource officers, alerted by the staff and Tommy's mother, to the escalating urgency, began their methodical door to door search, calling out Tommy's last name. They were so close, so agonizingly close, to apprehending him in the very bathroom where he had armed himself, But fate, or perhaps a terrible twist of circumstances intervene. They apprehended the wrong boy, the

one with a similar name. For ten agonizing minutes, the true perpetrator remained at large, unseen, unheard, while the clock ticked closer to the catastrophe. When the error was realized and the innocent student released, the frantic search resumed, but the window of opportunity had narrowed to a sliver. At ten eighteen am, Tommy's mother, her fear now palpable, texted his father quote, They're going to need you at school. The words hung in the air, heavy with unspoken dread.

The shooting began just minutes later. The furst shots, when they came, were like thunderclaps in a quiet library, shattering the morning's fragile piece. Tommy, having left his algebra class, now sought to re enter, knocking on the door a student, perhaps out of habit or concern, of a classmate went to open it, but through the glass panel a site that would forever haunt their memory, the glint of a gun. No, he has a gun, the student cried, a desperate warning.

The teacher, perhaps disbelieving, perhaps in shock, still urged the student to open the door. But Tommy did not wait. He entered not the algebra classroom, but one nearby, and unleashed a torrent of violence. Ten to fifteen rounds exploded within the confines of that room, striking multiple innocent souls, among them Christian Angelo, a fourteen year old ninth grader whose young life so full of promise, was extinguished in

an instant. He then began to run a terrifying blur down the hall, still firing, still seeking targets, moving towards a set of toilets. The school, once a sanctuary, was now a labyrinth of terror. One student huddled in a technology class, described the chilling sound of shots ringing out. The desperate huddle in a corner, hands over heads, and

their teachers hushed plea to stay quiet. In the midst of the chaos, a new system, scintigics, proved it's worth Many staff members with trembling fingers pushed the panic buttons on their IDs. These new ideas, given to every teacher, were designed for just such a nightmare. Equipped with dynamic digital mapping with real time locating capabilities.

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Every second matters in an emergency. The Syntegics Crisis Alert system gives staff members the ability to instantly report emergencies and appropriately respond to any situation that may occur on a school's campus faster than ever before. The most likely use of the stategic safety system will be the three press alert, used for common situations that require immediate medical

as well as prevention and intervention in student altercations. The alerted room one, but the integic system is also built to deal with the worst case scenario, a school intruder or active shooter emergency. A total school lockdown can be triggered by any staff member on the school's campus by repeatedly pressing the crisis alert datche. This type of alert immediately notifies the local safety team, district personnel, and all local law enforcement of a dangerous threat on the school grounds.

The crisis alert system also gives school administrators the ability to broadcast emergency codes to the entire student body on and off campus. In the event of a major emergency at the push of a button. The new Scientergics Alert system uses the latest and emergency response technology to ensure the safety of its schools.

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The school's doors, designed to automatically lock once shut, became a crucial line of defense, requiring internal opening, a barrier against the encroaching horror. Another classroom, with quick thinking and desperate strength, barricaded its doors with desks and chairs, a makeshift fortress against the storm. One teacher, hearing the commotion, bravely left his classroom to investigate, only to be shot

in the chest. His students, with remarkable courage, pulled him back into the classroom, using their own shirts to stem the bleeding, barricading the door and fighting for his life even as their own trembled. At ten twenty am, the school officially entered lockdown. Law enforcement, their sirens now piercing the morning air, responded swiftly, arriving at ten twenty three am.

A lockdown software a digital sentinel, caused the smartboards throughout the school to flash the words hard lockdown in large, red, unblinking letters. In the initial confusion, several students accustomed to drills thought this was just another exercise. But this nightmare, though devastating, was not prolonged. Within minutes, the school resource officers, with their training and courage, engage the suspect. Tommy, perhaps realizing the futility of his rampage, surrendered.

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I get on the radio and start saying, hey, we've got an active shooter apple Atchia High School, and God guided King and I down the right hall. There's all the smoking dust that starts billowing over and we'll here, I can't remember it's two or three shots. We could not see him except for a black silhouette in smoking dust. We start yelling some things that I'm not going to repeat, and I remember hearing this clack sound, and I assume it was just because he when he threw the gun down.

By the time we get up to him, he's face down looking at the footage. You can see when we turn that corner and we start yelling, he stops the shots that he had. He was aiming to kill a student running down the no their hallway, and you can see this kid running down this hall and falling and looking back and trying to get up, and you see the shooter come up and point the gun to fire and he just stops. On camera. You watch him stop.

He turns, puts the gun down and goes down. And that's because we turned and we started yelling down the hall and everything.

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The immediate aftermath was a scene of controlled chaos and heartbreaking tenderness. Students ushered to the football stadium found teachers their shirts now makeshift bandages tending to gunshot wounds, parents their faces showing pure fear. Streamed towards the school. Traffic backed up for more than a mile. It was a

desperate pilgrimage to reunite with their children. The football field, usually a place of triumph and cheers, became a field of tears, embraces, and a profound, overwhelming relief mixed with the crushing weight of what had been lost in the wake of such violence. Numbers became names, and names became stories, each a universe of love, laughter, and unfulfilled dreams. Four souls, vibrant and unique, were stolen from their loved ones on

that day. Mason Alexander Shermerhorn, a mere fourteen years old, was a ninth grade student from winder Georgia, born on May twenty seventh, twenty ten. Mason, like so many boys his age found joy in the digital realms of video games, his heart particularly captured by the intricate worlds of Kingdom Hearts. He harbored a special affection for Disney World, a place of magic and wonder, and found quiet satisfaction in the

ticulous construction of Lego. But above all, his family, a constellation of love and support, meant the world to him. His absence left a void, a silence where once there was the joyful click of Lego bricks and the soft glow of a gaming screen. Christian Angelo, also fourteen, was a fellow ninth grader at Appalachi High and shared the same tender age as Mason and the same cruel fate. His parents, immigrants from Mexico, had built a life for their family in this new land, filled with the hope

of a brighter future. Christian was, by all accounts, a very good kid, his nature sweet and carrying a gentle soul, navigating the complexities of adolescence. In the aftermath, his oldest sister, with a strength born of grief, set up a GoFundMe, a digital plea for help that resonated across the nation, raising over two two hundred and seventeen thousand dollars for funeral expenses. A testament to the collective sorrow and generosity

of strangers. Richard Ricky Aspinwall the Second, thirty nine years old, was born on June fifteenth, nineteen eighty five, in Riverdale, Georgia. Ricky was more than just a teacher. He was a force of nature, a beloved coach whose passion for football had been a lifelong companion, from his own playing days to his fervent support for the Dallas Cowboys and Texas Longhorns.

He graduated from Rome High School in two thousand and three and pursued his education at Valdosta State University, where he majored in accounting, though his true calling in the classroom, it was at Valdosta State in two thousand and eight that he met Shana, the love of his life, his

future wife, whom he married in twenty sixteen. Ricky was renowned for his infectious dance moves, his booming singing voice, his impressive eating habits, and most profoundly, his unparalleled ability to make everyone feel like they had a true friend in him. He earned both his master's and specialist degrees in education, pouring his heart into creating a fun classroom for his students, fostering a positive sense of community that extended far beyond academics. His family was his pride and joy.

A devoted husband and a loving girl. Dad to his two little girls. He found simple pleasures in working on home projects, cheering on the braves at games, golfing, and cherishing time with his friends. His death left a gaping hole, not just in his family, but in the vibrant tapestry of the school community he so deeply enriched. Christina Ermi fifty three years old, a beloved teacher, wife, daughter, and friend whose life was a testament to dedication and service.

She had devoted her entire life to teaching, a calling she pursued with unwavering commitment. Her mother, living in Romania, remained a cherished connection to her roots. Christina and her husband had emigrated to the US more than two decades ago, building a new life while holding on to their heritage. She volunteered countless hours, not only teaching children traditional Romanian dances, but also patiently tutoring them in math and nurturing young

minds with both cultural richness and academic rigor. She was a familiar comforting presence in the church kitchen, joining other women to prepare traditional meals, her hands busy with the work of community and sustenance. Christina Ermy was a quiet pillar of strength and kindness. In her absence left a

profound silence in the lives she touched. To understand the horror of that day, one must, however, reluctantly delve into the shadowed path of Tommy, a boy whose life, even at fourteen, was already a tangled knot of neglect, violence,

and missed opportunities. For three years preceding the shooting, his family had been a revolving door for Georgia child welfare workers, a grim procession of interventions that never quite managed to untangle the deep seated departments and two local police agencies, each interaction of flashing red light on a road leading inexorably towards disaster. In August twenty twenty one, a chilling

premonition surfaced. Tommy, then just eleven, allegedly searched the end Internet for ways to murder his father using a school device. The search was flagged a digital alarm bell ringing in the quiet halls of the school. Two school resource officers following protocol, went to Tommy's home, speaking with him and his father. It was a moment, perhaps when the trajectory could have been altered.

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Whom their type is gone by. So did your dad cand of explain everything to you? Said something the bugs, we'll shoot down to school, maybe they mishurt somebody else. He gets flustered and under pressure. He doesn't really think straight.

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We talk about it quite a bit, and all the school shootings, things that happened.

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Let's see, he's getting picked on at school.

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You never really know, and I don't want anything to happen to him, the mad.

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Schools, And I had fruit ins like I necessarily have a reason that I would say that I'm gonna be mad as hell if he did, And then all the guns will go and they won't be accessible. Now if he knows the seriousness of weapons and what they can do and how to use.

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Them and not use it.

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I got to take it into word. And I hope you be in honest with me.

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Yes, I'm not saying you're life.

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But it's it's a serious thing.

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A family member later revealed a pattern of violence, stating that Tommy's father had repeatedly beaten the boy, a grim backdrop to the child's disturbing online searches. The cycle of violence continued. In September twenty twenty one, Tommy's maternal grandmother, a woman perhaps desperate to protect her grandchild, reported her own daughter, his mother, to the Georgia Division of Family and Children's Services, the allegation his mother had struck the

boy about six times. CPS recommended that he move in with his paternal grandmother, and his mother was mandated to undergo regular drug testing, a sign of deeper issues festering beneath the surface, the instability persisted. On October thirty, twenty twenty two, a neighbor witnessed a harrowing scene around eleven pm. Tommy and his sister were hit by their mother and forced out of the house. The neighbor, a silent witness to the escalating chaos, called CPS. Then came the Discord Threats,

a digital echo chamber of dark fantasies. In May twenty twenty three, a complaint surfaced alleging Tommy had made school shooting threats on the online platform. FBI agents from the Atlanta Field Office and deputies from the Jackson County Sheriff's office descended upon Tommy's home, prompted by anonymous tips to

the FBI's National Threat Operations Center. The boy, in a series of evasive answers, denied making threats, denied knowing discord, and then admitted to an account that was deleted, then claimed it was hacked. His father, seemingly oblivious or in denial, told investigators he owned hunting rifles, but insisted his son didn't have unsupervised access. Crucially, photos from the Discord report depicting two weapons were never shown to the father for authentication.

After the shooting, the FBI would issue a statement, a cold official post mortem quote at the time, there were no probable cause for an arrest or to take any additional law enforcement action on the local, state, or federal levels. But the Discord comments themselves painted a portrait of a mind steeped in violence and hatred. The user's name written in Russian translated ominously to the last name of the Sandy Hook shooter, a detail the father dismissed, claiming his

son didn't speak or understand Russian. The messages were dark quote I'm committing a mass shooting and I'm waiting a good two to three years, plans to target an elementary school, and a deluge of anti lgbtqia plus and anti Semitic words.

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Quote let me give you an example of why I'm doing this. I need to put an end to that. I'm on the edge of an LGBTQ massacre.

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One message declared. He even posted photos of guns. His father, confronted with these disturbing revelations, told investigators his son was going through a lot and found it very difficult for him to go to school and not get picked on. He vehemently denied his son had that unsupervised access to firearms,

dismissing the investigation as quote bullshit. Yet one investigator, with a prescient warning, urged the father to keep his firearms locked away and to keep his son out of school until the matter was resolved, which was a warning unheeded. The instability of his home life continued its churning. In the fall of twenty twenty three, Tommy moved back in with his mother in Fitzgerald, Georgia. Around this time, she

began using methamphetamine, a fact she later admitted. Her drug use led to another intervention after she failed a random drug test Tommy and his siblings were sent back to their father in Bethlehem, Georgia. The family drama escalated again to a terrifying crescendo. On November three, twenty twenty three, Tommy's mother, in a moment of terrifying delusion, taped her own mother, Tommy's grandmother, to a chair. She then declared her intention to drive to Bethlehem to kill Tommy and

his father. She was found and arrested at a local walmart with notes about her vehicle and its grim testament to her suicidal ideations. In a chilling detail, she expressed a desire to see two of her three children, but explicitly excluded Tommy. She was later sentenced to time served for a family violence while a false imprisonment charge remained pending. Serving her time in a Barrow County jail. The summer

before the shooting offered yet more red flags. In August twenty twenty four, Tommy expressed a disturbing fascination with the Parkland shooter to his grandmother. In this same month, his maternal aunt and grandmother, perhaps sensing the approaching storm, told others that Tommy was having homicidal and suicidal thoughts. They voiced their grave concern that he should not have a gun. Therapy was scheduled a glimmer of hope, but it too

was extinguished. The grandmother who was supposed to take him was injured and had surgery on the day of his appointment. She begged him to go alone, but he refused, and his parents tragically failed to take him. He never attended. Tommy's academic life was equally adrift. He did not attend a single day of school during the entire twenty twenty three to twenty four school year, despite being ready registered

at a local middle school. Yet despite never completing eighth grade, he was allowed to start ninth grade at Appalachi High School, a systemic failure that placed a deeply troubled boy into a new, potentially overwhelming environment. In his bedroom, there was a chilling tableau to discover a shrine on the wall behind his computer, adorned with pictures and newspaper clippings about

school shooters, prominently featuring images of the Parkland shooter. Teachers at Appalachi described him as a quiet student, a silence that perhaps hid something raging within the weapon itself, the instrument of such devastation was a Christmas present. In December twenty twenty three, Tommy's father, even after being interviewed by the FBI and local law enforcement about his son's violent online threats, purchased the AR fifteen style weapon for his son.

It was a gift that would well. It would ultimately claim four lives. A former neighbor, a silent observer of the family's turmoil, told reporters that police and child services were regular visitors to the home. She recalled nights when Tommy's mother would lock him and his sister out of the house, the children's desperate cries of mom echoing through the night as they banged on the back door, weeping. She remembered the children never having clean clothes, the picture

of neglect. Tommy's mother, forty three years old, carried a lengthy criminal record domestic violence, drug possession, property damage, in driving under the influence. Father, in a desperate attempt to explain, reported that he had introduced his son to hunting and guns, hoping to divert his attention from video games. Eviction records from two years prior revealed the father owned several weapons,

including an AR fifteen style rifle. The father also claimed his son had been picked on during the last three months of the school year, causing him trouble concentrating on exams. Tommy's aunt, a voice of reason in this sea of denial, had been begging the family for months to get Tommy mental help, lamenting that the adults around him had failed him, and finally, the testament to his intent a notebook found

in his bedroom. It contained an estimated casualty count and meticulous sketches of the hallway and classroom where the shooting took place. There was also a drawing, crudely rendered yet horrifyingly clear, showing stick figures in a school shooting bullets tearing through bodies. One note unambiguously declared, shoot the teacher. A dead stick figure lay on the ground in the drawing,

a premonition of the lives he would extinguish. A letter found on the table in the shooter's home offered a final disturbing glimpse into his mind quote, just know it's.

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Not your fault. You tried your heart. It's forgive me as for what I'd done done is out of my control.

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In the grim aftermath, the wheels of justice began to turn albeit slowly, against the backdrop of unimaginable grief. Tommy, a boy who had irrevocably crossed a line into adulthood through his heinous acts, was charged as an adult with four counts of felony murder. Less than thirty six hours after the shooting. His father, too, faced the consequences of

his actions or inactions. He was arrested in charge with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children in the second degree. Authorities asserted that the father had knowingly allowed his son to possess the very weapon used in the shooting, a

devastating indictment of parental responsibility. Amidst the sorrow, there were also glimmers of what went right, of systems that, in the face of ultimate failure, still managed to mitigate the catastrophe. Simately a week prior to the shooting, the school that

implemented a new security system, including the Scientigic system. This was no small investment, a five year contract priced at about one million dollars, with eight hundred thousand dollars of its sourced from a state school security grant designed to equip all seventeen schools in the district, plus other buildings

with alert buttons. Experts in their analysis credited this system for working exactly as it should have, and also lauded the school resource officers who, with remarkable speed and courage rushed to the scene and quickly took the shooter into custody. A school safety expert highlighted another crucial element, the automatically locking doors, which prevented Tommy from entering more classrooms undoubtedly saved countless lives in the face of such overwhelming tragedy.

These small victories, these moments of effective response, offered a faint flicker of hope that perhaps, just perhaps, lessons could be learned and future horrors averted. The sun now sets over Appalachi High as it always does, casting long shadows across the empty football field where parents once reunited with their terrified children. The school stands a silent monument to

the day that will forever live in infamy. The grass, once trampled by the desperate rush of feet, grows green again, but the scars on the community, on the hearts of those who lost so much, will never truly heal. This is not merely a report of facts and figures, but a lament for lives cut short, for innocence lost, and for the profound aching questions that linger in the air like the scent of smoke after a fire. Why were so many warning, so many cries for help unheard or unheeded?

How could a system designed to protect children fail so astrophically? What confluence of neglect, mental anguish, and easy access to weapons led a fourteen year old boy to commit such an unspeakable act. The story of Appalachi High is a reminder that the shadows of violence often gather long before the storm breaks, in the quiet corners of troubled homes, in the unaddressed cries of a child, in the chilling

whispers of online threats. It is a call to look closer, to listen harder, to act with greater urgency and compassion, for in the heart of every community, in every school, lies the fragile promise of tomorrow, and it is our collective responsibility to protect that promise, to ensure that the echoes of terror from Appalachi High serve not as a final chord, but as a solemn, urgent plea for a safer, more vigilant world. That brings us to the close of

this episode of Active Shooter. Remember your vigilance can be a lifeline. If you see something, please say something. There's truly no telling how many lives you might save. And don't forget to connect with us on social media. You can find us on Facebook at Active Shooter the Podcast and on x at podcast Active. Stay safe out there, and thank you for listening. Thank you for listening to

today's episode of Active Shooter the Podcast. Remember, if you see something, say something, there's no telling how many lives you may be saving. A big thank you to Darren Curtis, who composed some of the songs on our show. You can find him online at www dot Darrencurtis music dot com. Make sure to check us out on social media. You can find us on Facebook at Active Shooter the Podcast, and on Twitter at podcast Active. Thank you and be safe.

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