Mission to Zyxx

you are in Orpoius Invessador. Wow. So I'm with Seth Land and Mujan Zolfagary. They are co creators of Mission to Zix, and both of them play characters I like, but I really like Mugans a whole whole lot. Her character is Bargie Jade, who's the actual ship. And as I'm saying this, You're gonna be like, what do you mean she plays a ship? I guess you have to understand what Mission to Zix is. I let me just start by saying, love it, love it, love it, love it.

First one I was in and I was in for good. I'm this is definitely one every week. I'm looking forward to this morning. I couldn't wait for the new one to come out. But I've been trying to tell folks around work what you what it is exactly. So I'm gonna let you try to tell folks what it is exactly. Sure,

I'll give it a shot. So Mission to Zix is an improvised science fiction sitcom for your ears and so it's It follows a crew of ambassadors who have been sent to a distant, horrible corner of the galaxy to attempt to establish diplomatic relations. Uh. I believe we refer to it as the ass end of space. Yes, they're sent to the ass end of space uh to to try to uh perform diplomacy with inhabitants of planets who who don't really want to meet them, and they repeatedly

fail on those missions. Or do they or right right, they could succeed at any moment. I can't get over the quality of the production of I mean I should expect it. SETH is also operations directed for This American Life. This show, I would say, not really this American Life, except for in the quality of it. And that's what I'm fascinated by. Is how you guys actually do the show. And I don't want to get become like a production nerd, but I'm just I try to picture, like how are

they doing this? Yeah, I mean we have a we're we're we're really lucky with our our sound engineer and um and sound designer Shane O'Connell who works at the studio where we record in green Point, green Point, Brooklyn, and he's just like he we had finished recordings and he said, hey, do you have someone designing this, I'd give a shot. And it turns out he's just like really really brilliant and he really gets the show. So

he's adding a lot with his designs. Yeah, and for those like unfamiliar like these are elements that are added on later. So as an improviser when we're doing these episodes, when I listened to it like a final cut, that's I listened to the same thing everyone this is an I'm like, oh my god, this is awesome. I didn't know we'd have those sounds in right, And the reverse is true where you can say like and the wall falls down and we cut that out and then Shane

just puts in like insane soundscapes. You sort of have this unlimited budget and so everything when you're doing a live improv show on stage where you're just like, you know, someone on the back line is making sound effects of their mouth, Like, we can put all that stuff in post. I tell people all the time I have a company where I do some podcasts for for companies, and they always come in and go, I wanted to be like this American life and I and I immediately go, okay, well,

how what's your budget? Because you know these aren't easy to do with, you know, when you have so much sound going on? Um, are you how much of this is? Uh? How much? How much editing has to be done on this podcast? Or or are you just that funny you guys just go and I sit done? Um we uh. We record probably about an hour to ninety minutes to get a half hour episode, so it's a decent amount of editing. UM. I m intimidated by how funny the rest of the cast is, So I would. I would.

I think they are all brilliant, but part of it is just too like we wanted to be kind of sitcom length. Um. But it is also a luxury to be able to cut out bits that just didn't quite land or tighten things up. So yeah, or if we have a guest who comes in and we have specific language that we use, like we say the word juck, and we say the word to Lurian to refer to a human, and like certain like words that we're keeping in every single episode. If they say something incorrectly, we

go back and like do certain takes again. But every in there's no new information like pre written. It's all improvised. Speaking of that word juck. You play Bargie Jade, who is the ship that the folks live in, and she is a sil Oh, thank you so much. You know, she's got, she's got that. She might be an old ship, but she's a ship everybody wants to to fly. I think so soldier's ships. I'd like to jump. Yeah, that's not safe for work, as you know for the show.

And and Bargie, I think that she's across from me, across between when Dana Carvey used to play Mickey Rooney and he would talk about like I've done it all and and Joan Rivers, So who are you pulling from when you do it? Oh boy, it's just like I think, you know, living in New York City. You just come across people were kind of like that, like just like

old Haggard, people who just like had enough. You cross the street and they're like you going the wrong way, Like I just I think for me, just living in New York for eight years, that to me is the epitome of living here. That voice. Yeah, if you're like out, if you go out onto like Long Beach to take the Long Island rail right out to Long Beach or something and you like bump into somebody that's you might

you might run into a human version of Bargie out there. Yeah, But they don't have the back story, the film career, the storied film career. No, I mean they might. If you sit with them for a while, they'll tell you everything. So I think Bargie is that type. But if you doc next to Bargie, she'll tell you everything about her life, even if you don't want to know anything about her life.

The thing I love about Bargie. I love Bargie and like the scenes is that, like Bargie is this element of chaos where even even though the comedy is always going to come from surprise and things going wrong, like Bargie will burst in with just like anything, and then we just have to deal with it. And she's constantly creating problems that are so funny and so it's just like she's the wild card. So, like I said, I sit like as I'm listening, I'm like, what are they

doing while they're doing this? And I just I picture you sitting in the corner and like thinking, thinking, thinking, and then going bam and then dropping a bargie rock on everybody. I like to think it's that way. Sometimes it's just like I need something, I just say something weird. Well, And the nice thing is like the best stuff comes when you don't have time to think. Often I think like it and then we just have to figure out

how to deal with it. And Jeremy Bend, who plays C fifty three the Droid, is he sort of has he's in this like explainer role, so like when something crazy happens, he always can act like it's totally normal and come up with like a wild explanation for why something is true. We can justify anything, right, And the other thing that's that's great about the show for me, I've listened to the first three episodes two times each,

and it's just that I get. The first time I listened, I was like, I thought I knew what everybody looked like, and then I listen again, like, no, I don't think they look like that at all, And I like that element of like you kind of don't really know, you know,

you get a kind of an idea but not really. Yeah, I think I don't know, Like we haven't all really talked to each other, the performers, but I think what I might envision, like a nerm it to look like who who seth place is perhaps different from everybody else believes. I'm like excited. Maybe one day if we have like fans of people will send us like drawings of like what they actually think that we look like. But yeah,

it's all in your imagination. It's a podcast because there's like an image of Bargie on the the art of the podcast Bargie Bargie. We sort of know what she looks like, but at the same time, I still feel like we could come up with a reason why that's

not even really the picture of her. Yeah, one time, I think I referenced that she wears tiny skirt, but I still don't know where those tiny skirts come right right, Yeah, that was your head That was your head shot from when you were you know, first on a on a you you were on a sitcom back in the day. I think you know. Jad Apple rom I had a description once for a good podcast and he said that, you know, when I'm doing a good podcast, I'm painting

a picture and you're holding the paintbrush. And I think about with this podcast is You're painting a picture, but I've got like colored pencils and I'm doing it, but I can erase and I'm redrawing it again. And that's one of the reasons I really really love the podcast so much. How is the you know set up for for one of these episodes, like how much you always wanted the same thing about like Larry David, you know, how much of it is is laid out and then how much of it is just it goes off on

a tangent you didn't expect. I think, uh, it's kind of shifted as we've done more episodes. Like in the early episodes, one of the only single things that information that we have is that we asked the guests like what sort of character do you want to be and where in the world are we going? So we have that and to play. But now that we're thinking we were gonna we're actually having like a season arc. There's certain elements that we know we want to have in

the show, but we don't. We still don't know as we're recording and how we get there. So yeah, I mean I think that like from what I've read about Curb Your Enthusiasm, I think they have a pretty structured outline. I don't and and occasionally actual lines. We never have lines, and like Lujan said in the beginning, it would really just be some the guests saying I want to play I want to play a bounty hunter, but he's really lonely and so he's like glomming onto you because he

wants friends. And so that's all we know going in. And then we might spend a few minutes at the top just kind of like talking, and Winston, who plays Um, like a lot of walk on characters, might say like, oh, you need someone, Well if someone introduced that guy, so like you will meet someone before him, and then and then we jump in and just and just record. Yeah, I think the only real structure that we've had we

have so far. Who knows, but is the top of the show we're all in the ship, and then middle of the show we're at the mission, and the end of the show we're back on the ship. So that's like the if we were to put like an act break or something, that's what it would be, right, and we do we we do record pickups a little bit for if because once we've edited, we need little transitions and we realized we've contradicted something in a previous episode or just um, just we think like a little a

little tiny thing isn't working. And that's really mostly just in the intro and outro parts. Because we don't have the guest anymore. We have to get we get everything from them in that you know, in that one hour. I want to talk about the guests that you have on the show. Some really awesome folks have lined up to be on the program. I can't wait for the once coming, but talk to us about some of the folks that will be dropping into on the mission to ZIX.

We've had Sashirza made up from Sara Live and we Today's we had Connor Ratliffe who's from UC being all sorts of amazing things, and we have Jordan Carlos coming up. John Gabriek coming up. Oh boy, it's like all of our friends who are also part of the uprises Bred Theater. Yeah. Laura, Laura Adams from Unbreakable Kimi Schmidt. Um, she's on an episode coming up where I guess we can spoil a little bit, but she she plays a She plays a waitress at a space diner who has never left the diner.

John Gabriel plays a fun character that we could spoil. If you want to think sith you probably explained better. Maybe the name of it. John Gabriel plays a droid named b s Um and he is presented to us as a loader droid who will be useful to us, but he's actually just a roast droid. Um. So uh. And you know Gabriel does he's from most everyone is somehow involved with UCB, but he also does comedy. Bang

Bang a lot is on TV and stuff. Yeah, And that was interesting recording because everyone else that we've had so far has been in our studio in green Point, but we actually, I guess we'd be skyped or something in John Gabriel. He was doing it from his own studio in Los Angeles, and so we didn't even get to we saw him, but he wasn't in the room,

but somehow hopefully it all worked out. And actually that's sort of added a thing we didn't realize because we realized that he had his like computer up with our character names on it. So he was actually like really fast with like calling us out individually on things, and like he had he like had our little backstories. I think he like sort of like cheated in this way. That was totally useful for the episode. So she Shar's

character in the second episode. I can't imagine having done that and not having her the voice high pitched, because it's so perfect. We did. Actually, we're really we're lucky with our studio set up because we get to have versions of the voice filters live in our headphones, so they get replaced um with like nicer versions, but we have Bargie C fifty three, and then guests, if they have filters, we get to hear all those live and

it really is super fun. Now, Seth, you were you know, from This American Life director of operations, and I want to talk a little bit just about the podcasting world and how it's expanded This American Life. You're it's royalty baby, you're royalty. It's a it's the crown jewl of of the podcast world. You can't see but Seth right now

was wearing so much gold. I'm sure he is. But so I was one of the guys that started Stitcher and and in general I thought NPR was you know, they were the first company that there was a radio company that said, you know what, we see something in podcasting, and we we know that it's not it doesn't it's a different audience. We're not gonna lose radio listeners. What has been that environment watching that, you know, go from you know, the radio show being you know, the radio

show to being the podcast. You know, the podcast is like all about it now. Yeah, it's been fascinating. I've worked there for eleven years, and that was before we had a podcast at all. I started there at two thousand and six and so um And I think one of the reasons that public radio got into podcasting so early and has done so well, as they were always used to giving away their programs for free. I think that commercial radio, like they felt way more nervous about

losing revenue to this. You know, we're not just going to put a file on the internet. Um. And so you know, public radio shows were willing to distribute that way before there was any kind of revenue model or before there were numbers, and before there was advertising or anything. So um, so I think those shows really took off. And then um and then this American Life in particular and shows that kind of have taken on that tone.

I think just like kind of had the they already had this sort of like one on one personal internet tone that came out through like YouTube and blogs, so it really fit as like a thing that to consume on the internet. Um. And and yeah, it's just been amazing to see how it's like it grew steadily and then just kind of blew up in two thousand, starting two thou fourteen when Cereal really brought awareness and Apple put their podcast app, they baked it into the phone

um for everyone. So so it's, um, it's changed a lot. You know here I heard it. It is my heart is really expanding and jumping head first into podcasting, and uh, I'm really excited about that. And you know, I have always wont of what it's like working with Ira Glass because I have a quick Ira Glass story and and

it was when we started Stitcher. I was the director of content, so I'm I'm trying to get folks to come onto our platform and this, and you know, we had a deal with NPR, but it I had to call uh this American Life and I ended up getting to talk to Ira and I'm trying to explain to him the the app at what it does and why it's good, and I'm really not doing a good job of it. I had been a radio guy my whole life. I did mornings, and then I decided to go over

and do this thing. And and then right in the middle of it, I were just start kind of quietly goes It's hard starting a business, isn't it? And I just like it is. And then it just it was like it turned from me pitching into like this therapy thing. Um is that you know? Is that is that typical iron glass? I mean, I would think of that almost as an interview technique, you know, because I think like if he sensed that, like you were feeling like it

wasn't going well or something. And sometimes if you're interviewing someone and they they're like clambing up or they're not not like they you would say something sort of encouraging. That's like yeah, yeah, yeah, Like um, one time I was like normally in behind the scenes or voicing ads, but a couple of times surfaced and but on the show.

And one time I was telling this like personal story about seeing the movie The Shining when I was four I think for seven anyway too young to see The Shining, and uh and and I was being interviewed in and I was talking and he wasn't asking a question, but he's just sitting across from me, and he was doing that like yeah, yeah, yeah, thing with your hand, like sort of like more and more, Yeah, yeah, that's good, more, more and more, And I was kind of like, I

was kind of like, Okay, I don't know what I'm doing, but I guess I'm gonna trying to do more of it because he wants it. So I felt like more gave me more. So but it was it was like validating, and I think led to kind of like a deeper telling of that part of the story. So I feel like that in a way is sort of like that he like paused to acknowledge what he imagined when was maybe your experience And then I don't know, maybe the

pitch was easier after that, he's like a therapist. Yeah, yeah, it was because and I was like, oh, that's that's nice. And then I got off the phone, I'm like he's nice. And and anyway, right now, I'm really excited about podcasting, and I think, you know, I've always been excited about podcasting, but you know, ten years ago, we thought, Okay, this is it, It's gonna make it. And then in Serial Broke it's like, this is you know, really gonna go

and it started to pick up. But it really feels like this last year it's really caught a lot of traction. And I think this podcast that you guys are doing is the kind of stuff that is going to start happening. I feel like the kind of content that is being offered in podcasting is going to to really change. And I'm you know, the production level of stuff is going up and this is a great example of that. You know, how do you feel, just in general about about the

future right now of podcasting. I mean, my one of my favorite podcasts recently has been like Homecoming, like the season one of Homecoming and when I don't know and I even though I really I didn't realize, I was also doing something not similar to Homecoming, but also high production value storytelling. Ours is fiction, but improvised fiction, and it's just exciting. It's in a way it's a it is futuristic, but it's an homage to back in the day when none of us that televisions and hearing these

amazing stories. So I'm hoping for more of that, more Homecoming, more Mission to six is oh yeah. I mean I think even before like working on this show with the whole team, um, including I think the only person of the six we haven't mentioned yet is Alden Ford, who's kind of the ringleader and of the to the degree

that there is one. He plays plect deck center. But like in the in the show, but to the even before collaborating with all these people on this show, I felt like fiction is the next frontier of of podcasts that point. And I think one of the reasons why I also feel like Homecoming was a big step forward just because of the quality of the performance. Um you know it. As improvisers, we have it a little easier because it's always easier to give a convincing improvised performance

than than when you're reading a script um. And so we can we Um, you know, we have it. We have a little easier than Katherine Keener and Oscar Isaac

you know Holp they do okay with their careers. Um, but yeah, it does just to say I agree that fiction I think that you know that it's totally plausible that Hollywood studios will put um the energy that they would put behind a movie into into a podcast that would be so much more affordable and then and can actually get heard more widely than a lot of movies

will be seen. You know what's funny if we're talking about how fiction is the future podcasting and and if you look though with the history of radio, I mean that was the beginning of radio. And I love it. I loved it. This this idea of like the radio drama and uh, you know is all coming back. It just it for me as a radio nerd Uh, it makes me really happy. Yeah, and anybody, you don't have to look a certain way as long as you have that voice that could convince people too. I'm just trying

to say that both Seth and I are just huge monsters. Honestly, this is embarrassing, but I've like thought repeatedly in the studio, I was like nobody has to know the amount I'm sweating. It's such a crazy large amount of sweat coming out of my body and no one will know it's not And yeah, that one time it's splashed on the mic audibly,

that was terrible. But and editing is like to like the Alden Alden Ford and I edit the episodes and just the you know, we also both do video editing, and I think he would agree that, just like at a audio editing is such a joy because you you know, with video you have such a thing as a jump cut, and with audio you can just like splice out you know, little bits and it and it, and it flows completely naturally and you never have to know that I sweat

all over the mic. My students, you know, they usually have a video editing class first and then to get into audio. And it's that same kind of like I had no idea how much fun audio editing is, and it is. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, Like I mean, for instance, at the beginning of the show, I was a train wreck of an opening and and we just started over again. Isn't that great? And we didn't have to waste you know, four rolls of thirty five millimeter film.

Be worried about daylight. Right, we're losing white, We're losing what listen. I want to wrap up with three questions, three killer questions, I call them. The first one is a question I asked everybody if you were a sandwich personified. I'm not your favorite sandwich, but like, if you were sandwich, which sandwich would you be? Settling? Let's start with you. Mm hmm. I think not my favorite. But what would

I be? I think I would be like a slider, like a small hamburger to the I know I'm going I'm no, I'm entering very dangerous territory about calling a hamburger a sandwich. I know that I just alienated a lot of people, a lot of a lot of a lot of sandwich definition boundary enthusiasts now hate the podcast. But yeah, I think a slider just because it's like it's kind of it's like small, like I'm a pretty small person, and uh and it's um, I don't know,

like I guess it's a little bit. Yeah, that's what came to mind, Like a slider nice. Uh. Yeah, I think I would be a sandwich that my mom used to make me in high school. Which is take the Persian stew that she made for dinner and put it in between two slices of bread. That's just how I feel sometimes. I'm just You're just this Persian stew out of place between these breads, trying to pretend to be a sandwich. But I'm not a sandwich. I'm just stew. I think that's my favorite answer to that. God you

she's your favorite character, your favorite answer. It's like, you know, and she was on my favorite show, Kimmy Schmidt. You're You're just the best. Thank you. What a great podcast. Yeah, I know what I'm gonna tweet about. I'm starting my Twitter today. Second question, First piece of technology that you said this changes my life. For example, mine was a Sony Walkman. I remember getting it from my brother and

being like, oh my gosh, tapes, this is great. I can listen to, uh, you know, my Asia tape now all over the place. I would think it's because I come from a huge techy family. Like my brothers are techys. My dad did all. They are all in Silicon Valley.

I just remember my brother, the middle brother, getting h like an early Apple like computer and like early nineties and just for me just my relationship with my brother was just sitting down and watching him play things, and then for the rest of my life sitting down and watching him play video games. And so I was never the player. I was always the observer. So perhaps that's that's why I got into storytelling. Nope, that's not a link. Okay, I tried so hard. Also, an iPhone. iPhones are pretty

pretty changed my life. Um, this is not first, but I do I feel like I for Um, I'm thirty eight years old and I just got my first car last year. Um, and I'd never owned a car before, and it's amazing, especially living in Brooklyn, to be able to leave and go to a place where you can hike or just go to the grocery store that's not near the subway. That is yeah, like cheaper and better. So having a car, big, big thumbs up to all you people entering middle age you haven't given it a shot. Lastly,

what was the last podcast that you you binged? Probably Homecoming? I think I listened to all of season when I haven't listened to season two. And oh, although this is I guess it's more of like a news binge. But one of my favorite podcast just in the morning is The Daily with Michael Barberro from New York Times. And I think I was gone, I want to like vacation for like two weeks, and I came back and I listened to all the news. That's not a good binge.

That's more like, oh God, what happened? Oh got all the worst things? I missed all these things? Uh yeah, what about um. I've been getting really into song exploder Um, which is, uh, it's a it's a short podcast that

just deconstructs songs. It's like a it's an interview that's not narrated, so it's just the answers from the musician and then the different instrumental parts and vocal parts of the song all separated out, and them talking about the history of the song, and then you just at the end here the completes song and it's just this like

perfect structure. And they're like fifteen minutes. So they're really good for like I can listen to two of them on the way and and even and and even like artists with things like the Mark Marin Show, like I typically don't I'm not that interested if I'm not interested in the person, But with this, like It's made me appreciate songs I don't think I would like at all if I hadn't just heard the musician tell the story

of it, and here like the the bits all separate. Well, guys, thanks for being my first guest on my new podcast. I hope it wasn't too painful. I had a great time. I got so many compliments. Thank you for having us and the new show mission to Zix. You can follow it on Twitter on Facebook, but don't bother looking for set Land because he doesn't tweet anything interesting and muson Maybe you'll start tweeting. Yeah maybe, And we definitely want you to follow the show's Twitter. Don't. You don't have

to listen to it. We're putting all the good stuff on Twitter. Barjari and Jade does have a Twitter account, So does Nermott Bundalow. He's he's tweeted twice once. No, but I have an Instagram too, which is at mujan z. All right, I shall commence stalking. I mean, I mean I will friend you. Do you want to give Do you want to give him a little bargie on the way out here? I would love some bargie. Yes, Okay, apparently this is my catchphrase. Do do do Honestly, that's

a bad thing. Don't even let's not even try. See you later. Alright, my favorite time of the show is this is the first time we've done it, so maybe it won't be my favorite time of the show. But my producer z Z who I've known for three years and still pronounce your name wrong every time, every single time, Zionya. Yes, there we go. Yeah, I don't also always sound like a man, just letting people know, don't worry about it,

you know what. Guys like that little She's very popular, so she is kind of new checking out new podcasts, and she's going to tell me about ones that maybe I've missed because I don't get to hear all podcast I want to listen to it. It's tough to keep up on them. And by the way, all of these podcasts can be heard on I Heart Radio. So I need you to tell me about three that I should

be listening to. Z all right. Well, I actually Mission to Zix was like that first science fiction one I've ever listened to, and it was so good that I was like, oh, there's got to be a lot more. And the first one is called The Message by General Electric, which I thought they only made Washington of not Washington

um washing machines and stuff. But they have a whole theater podcast and they have a really good one called The Message, and it's about a cryptographer and she's trying to decode an alien message and it has a really good like group of people trying to help her. And so if you're really into space and aliens and stuff like that, that's a really good one. Well let's take a listen to a clip from that colonel you Banks, it turns out is an old colleague of Robin and

Ties from their N s A days. And just to clarify, Nikki, your recording equipment is live right now. Yeah, yes, so Perry, if you really meant what you said about this being declassified, you won't mind saying it right now. Can we sit down first or right after you repeat the thing on the record, The n s A would like to hire cipher to Dakota message we have reason to believe was transmitted by an extraterrestrial crazy town Right now, z, I'm

going to educate you. That's actually a branded content podcast. General Electric put that podcast out as a kind of a brand awareness sort of podcast. There are a lot of branded content podcasts out there that folks don't know about, but that's a really good example of one. And it's also a really good podcast. Yeah, and so we'll i'll not know. My second one is also from them because they're just killing it right now, and it's called Yeah

sorry guy. Um. The second one, it's called Life After and it's super Eeriet's about a man who's trying to cope with his wife's recent death and like he's getting haunted by her and stuff like that. If you're in the mysteries and it's a really good one. Just if you're like on a drive and you want to binge on something, that's the one Life After. Let's check it out. And then what's the news, Rosy? And I know that's wrong. Hey, I'm talking talk talking to you because I know her

posts cold and this isn't one of them. I'll repeat for the back row. What's the news, Rothie? All right? Creepy stuff there? Do you have one? It's not brought to us by ge Come on, surprisingly, Um, I got one from Gimlet Media. Gimlets, who you're a fan of. I'm not just a fan, I'm a fanatic about Gimblet Media. I love all of all the podcasts they put out and my my branded content podcast company that I owned, Matty Media plug there. I started it because of the

show startup. They're incredible. And this one's called Homecoming. It has an all star cast with Cast and Keener. She's the mom from Get Out, Oscar Isaac who is po Dameron in the new Star Wars, and David Swimmer, who is Ross from Friends. So their series regulars um it's about a woman helping to oversee a government like medical experience experiments. Sorry, and if you like things like Shutter Island and like creepy government stuff like that, it's a

good one. I love that it's a female lead, super mysterious, and I like podcasts that have like familiar voices. So yeah, Homecoming, let's check it out. Where are you here? What's going on? As I said, miss Bergman, I am asking you about your work at the Homecoming Initiative, But I have to say you seem to be refusing anything. I just don't remember what about the name Walter Cruz? Does that ring them? Bill?

Not that I can recall. And during the interview, seth And moves on both were raving about homecoming and I feel really dumb that I have not listened to it yet, so I'm definitely check that out. Z. Thanks for coming in with your horse voice this week. I'll be better next time, all right, and next time, let's let's let's get something that G does. Impreh, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna work my heart ge. You can make the checkout to Access Podcasts. Just sent it and care of Mattie

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