Bobby Bones

been I started in radio just like you. I grew up in a little town in West Virginia and all I ever wanted to do was radio. And uh, I still get nervous before I do an interview with somebody that I really respect. Do you do you get that way too. I get nervous when it's people that I looked up to as a kid. So if it's someone that maybe isn't even that famous, but if I looked up to them as a kid, I'm always like, Wow, this is really cool because I'm able to be the

fan again. But I can tell you now, I just feel like everybody's got their own crap and I get to be friends with some of these people that are you know, big stars and they have their own crap too, and so yeah, they're a little richer than we are. But I just do feel like everybody's humans, So it

makes my interviewing approached that much easier. I will say this though, that I had Chris Stapleton over the house, and so christ Apleton doesn't do a lot of interviews, like he's silent, and so with Chris, it was a little pressure because he was gonna do an hour sit down with me, and if I screwed that up? How often does someone give talked to Chris Stapleton for an hour.

So I did feel a little pressure with Chris. But other than that, I just try to see everybody is like the humans that have their own crap at the house that they've gotta deal with just a little more money. Oh my god, I've had so much therapy and I still can't get to that point. But I I wish I really respected you could do that. I know we both have an affinity for Howard Stern's interviews as well. What what do you like about Stern and what he

does with an interview? I think Howard turns the greatest radio interviewer that I've ever heard, because One, he makes people feel so comfortable that they'll say things they won't say in other places. And I think he has the

benefit of a couple of things. One space, he has a lot of spences to to sit someone down, which is why I like doing the podcast, because I can sit someone down and I put them in a really comfortable chair and we just talk and I can see them relax and I can see them kind of go okay, okay. And with radio just in general, it's a little harder to do that because you have maybe eleven minutes, you know, and so there are a few things you want to hit.

But with with Stern, he puts someone in a place where they almost forget they're being interviewed, and they also see Stern as a peer, which is a really cool thing, and so they go in wanting to do a good interview for Stern. And that's always been my goal too, is to have artists coming to go I really want to do a good interview, and this isn't just one of the radio tour, like one of the press tours,

and so that's been one of the things. And I listened to all Sterns interview I just listened to a two thousand thirteen interview that Howard started with with Mark Tuban, and I listened to it like it was brand new today. It was that good and that refreshing to hear. And you know, Letterman and Stern are my two biggest influences from growing up and doing broadcasting, So yeah, he's the greatest.

I think. One of the things that I think that makes you successful that I loved about doing radio, and one of the reasons I left morning radio and went into podcast was that the whole idea of like living your life on the air, and it's not always easy to do that, but I know there's a lot of that with you and your show and your philosophy on radio. Can you talk about that a little bit and like, what's you know there? There's some there's some downsides of

that as well, I'm sure right. I mean, I haven't had one single relationship work because I am determined to keep my life as real as possible, and you know, I think with success, which has been odd to say, but I'm at the point now where I had to kind of embrace the fact that I've been somewhat successful and I can't get on the year and act like I haven't been. And so with that, I feel the need to be even more personal about my personal life.

And so it's almost this. I walk myself into a trap every single time with relationships because I get into them and I go, wow, I don't want to be I don't unrelatable to my audience because they can look on the internet and see the different you know, success stories, radio show, TV, whatever it is. So I need to be extra personal. And when I do that, it's killed every I guess, every single relationship. So uh, it's just something I commit to and so far, you know, it

has penalized me personally. But also I guess I wouldn't have met a lot of these great people in my life if it hadn't been for radio. So I guess I can look at it that way too. You know. You know, my my my wife now, I met her, she was a listener. She had sent me an email when I was on the air, and we'd been dating for about two months, and I said something very indiscreet on the air, and she got upset and and I my response to her was sorry, this is my this

is what I do. I'm married to Radio first da da da Da Da da da. And then a female colleague sat me down and said, hey, buddy, you really want this thing to work out. That's probably not the best response that you should have when she gets upset about something. I'm sure you've had that similar conversation with with girlfriends over the years. Yeah, and then I get into the habit of first in my earlier Mornings show days,

and when I was twenty three, that was it. I was like, I'm committed to being on the air for because I just didn't plan on getting married. But then later, you know, as I became yeah it's the show would get bigger, and I was doing a lot of other things and I really didn't have time to do anything but work. The only people I wouldn't meet would be people in the industry or artists or and so that

put another stress on the relationship. And you know, my last couple of relationships, especially the last one was hurt because she was an artist and other companies were penalizing her for dating me, and that one really wasn't even my fault. So that that what kind of stuck because it was a good relationship, Like I finally had one, and then you saw a lot of other places penalizing her because she was dating me. So finally I figured it out, and you know, as usual, it all comes

crumbling down. I read about that and and and I read some transcripts from how you handled it on the air, which I thought was just an amazing job. But man, radio is a lot more cutthroat than I think people realize, and in and I think even country radio people don't realize how cutthroat that can be. I mean, were you are you still surprised by that? Sometimes I'm not surprised because like a bunch of twelve year olds in Nashville, like the country format and the labels and radio it's

like a bunch of kids fighting into sand box. So you know, it doesn't surprise me because it's so stupid. So as you can see, I'm pretty bitter at the whole thing. But I don't even me. I don't see country radio as just being on a radio going transmitter at to car. Like everything I do I do for the phone, I do for digital. I'm glad it's on

the radio, I'm glad it's live. But I do every single thing for digital, And if it's the podcast, if it's the radio, show, like, I'm just a content provider, and so that's my goal every morning is just provide content that people can download and stream and hopefully listen live. But if we don't look ahead and start building our end of the world shelters, we're gonna get left behind.

I tell people Radio all this all the time, Like, if you're just doing a rad deo show and you're the only thing is transmitted a car, you can go ahead and put the little live clock on because if you're still alive anyway, you don't have much time left and you have to start building because you know everybody. It seemed like people in the podcasting room that everyone has a podcast because we're already deep inside of it, but they don't. They don't yet really going to mainstream

itself in the next three to five years. So I left radio eight nine years ago. I left the morning show, went and helped start this startup Stitcher, and got into podcasting. And I just came back eight months ago and to take over digital here and I heart in San Francisco

and help with the podcasting strategy. But when I got here, the name I kept hearing was Bobby Bones, And I mean I got sick of hearing about you because it was like, well, Bobby and Bobby Cat do that, but but you know, hearing your talk, I realized, well, this is why, because you're willing to be honest about Hey, there's a future in this business and it might not be the way it's it's been in the past the future, and people aren't ready to embrace it because one it's

more work, or two it's unfamiliar. And those are the two things. People are lazy and scared. I'm both of them, but I know on both of them. So I go ahead and say, all right, so I don't I'd rather not work. But if I don't work and I don't, go ahead and build this platform, just the Bobby Cast for example, if I don't build it now, then when everyone is launching a new podcast, I'm just gonna become another one of the new launches. So I want to

build and have my base there. I want to start forming it right now, like as early as possible, they always did. The best time to plan the tree was twenty years ago. The second best time is right now. So I started the podcast. I used my own money. You have the crappiest equipment still it's in my house. I mean, it's a terrible room and how it just

sounds ter everything about its channel. But that's what made it actually seem real and cool, and the fact and I started with a couple of songwriter friends that and then the Bobby Cast is as a podcast, it's like the second layer of Nashville. It's basically songwriters, mostly producers and sometimes behind the scenes of the radio show. But what happened was I really it was just a passion project.

And for me, even with radio, it was find something you love because if you do, you're gonna work harder at it. And if you work harder at it, the odds are you'll be more successful at it. I don't think it would listen to this thing, not in mass quantities. Instead, the fact that it's you know, it has followers and the seven figures now is shocking to me this early because it's a pot it's a podcast with writers and producers, and who wants to listen to that? Apparently a lot

of people do well. I think it speaks back to what being real content. And I always say that a good podcast creates empathy and also it kind of stimulates the same part of the brain is reading a book, and if it's a good story and it's told, well, you want to sit down and and and be involved in And I think that's the key to what you do and and and your approach to artists. And just like you said, when they come in, they feel comfortable, they're having a good time. They want to to be honest,

and honesty is the key to good podcast. I think I love the fact that you say, like reading a book, because you know what else podcast allow. The listening live on the radio doesn't, and that's pausing it and coming back whenever you want. Just like a book, I don't read a whole book in a single I don't sit down and read a whole book. But if I want to read a book for as long as I want, I can't. With the podcast. You did the same thing.

You know how many I have so many podcasts soup and stopped at certain points that I just go back to, just like I do a book. So I love that analogy. I've never thought of it quite like that. But the same way, like I had on Barry Dean, who's a writer who wrote with Ingram Michaelson and did all these big country songs and we talked for an hour and

fifteen minutes. And if it's probably a bit too long for one setting, but if someone listened to twenty minutes of it and came back later, that's cool by me. I'm just putting everything out there, and if you want to hear it, great, and if you want to hear some others, great, or you want all of it, that's awesome.

But I think my goal is just to get out as much content as closet wall I. I've launched twenty six podcasts since I got here in San Francisco on this market, and all of all of my jocks, I tell them the same thing. You want to do it because this is a muscle that you should be stretching. You don't get to stretch on the air anymore. And that in this format on the radio, they want you to stay, stay on the center lane, don't take the offshoots, you know, stick to the stick to the program. And

with with podcasting, you know, it's the opposite. I'm always encouraging my talent, get off, get off on the exit, take the next exit, you know, you know, to get back on. And I think that the time helps out without a lot. Do you find that a lot of your best material comes from those exits that you didn't plan to take on during an interview? Yeah, I think a couple of things. And you brought up another great point to in that with a podcast, there isn't a

formula that you have to follow. Like in radio, I or whomever is doing some big show, we get credited with being so crazy and out of the we're still following a formula. On the radio. We're still following a formula. We get out at certain times to go to break.

We have this much time to talk. We have to get our You know, if people were starting podcast today and I have a whole network with a lot to a bunch of shows, I actually like it if they don't listen to a lot of podcasts, because I don't want them to have a formula of what things should sound like, you know, much like my radio show when I started it and still to this day, like nobody on my show ever worked in radio, so they didn't have radio brain, So they didn't come in already thinking

they well, radio should be done this way. And that's why I hired the people that I hired. They were my friends already and they didn't have radio brain, and you're starting to see some people now to have podcast brain, and I tell them, well, well, well you have all of this space to do whatever you want, trying not

to make your podcast sound like anything else. And so when I work with like a Christian Bush who from sugar Land who's doing a podcast on my network, or a Jake go On who's an artist, or I have a girl who's doing uh, you know, fashion stuff, I don't want them to sound like other podcasts. Or if they say what podcast did I listen to? You know, you almost don't want to have them listen to podcasts that are similar material because you don't want them following

that same kind of step. So yes, for me, it's a different muscle completely, and I love it because of that. But it also what people start saying, I want to sound like this podcast like you don't have to. There are no rules. It's not like radio in that way when you talk about building you know, the team around, you're not not coming from radio and and not having

folks listen to podcasts. It's just it makes me think about how this is still the wild West, and and there's and I tell people all the time that we've only scratched maybe the not even the surface of like what kind of podcasts that people can do now with the Natural Podcast Network, I know a lot of the plan is to is to bring podcasts to to to the people, you know, to make it you know, not this you know ethereal world of NPR guys, uh, you

know doing podcasts. How how important do you think that is as far as reaching new audiences And do you think radio has an opportunity to really do that. I think I'm lucky because I have a huge platform to promote a different platform, and I've been able to do that with you know, my stand up or with music or or whatever else. And now I've found that I can use it to promote podcasting, which is similar well so but you know, so a stand up comedy, so

it is a similar thing. But most people, most people aren't habitually podcasting, and so especially that listened to my format, and so I can say, hey, listen, is that easy? Like it's for free. All you have to do is subscribe, and I have a whole new audience. And that's why we developed a Nashville podcast network is because I saw just kind of a need for content and people being hungry for this content that I didn't think we're going to reach a wide audience and it did, and I

started to go, Wow, people will listen to songwriters. What about if a songwriter did a podcast? Well, what if you know, Uh, it just feels like, like you said, a very stuffy room right now where everyone is too cool for school that's doing one because all the big ones are you know, the the cool. You know, they're very gonna be hi to even understand the technology, which really isn't the case. So we know that it's more inside of it. But it's teaching the audience that it's

just one too. And you have all this content on your phone. You're probably listening to the radio show on your phone anyway, so it's just as easy, and it's on demand. I want to go back to you know, you've launched it that where you do a lot of stuff.

You're an author. I just watched your Ted Talk and I just want to tell you how much I appreciated that because I always tell the story I teach your university and I tell students this story that the first time I was on the air, and and the and the Ted Talk is is all about winning by losing

and if you haven't, please go watch it. My first day on the air, I was sixteen years old at a small AM station in West Virginia and I had to put a needle on an album that played the sounds of Snatra at six am on on Sunday mornings, and I had to do the weather. And the first day I was on the air, the guy that owned the station was in the studio with me, and or he was in the other room. And I put the

needle on. It's scratched, and I yelled, shipped into the mike three times, and he comes in and he turns the mic off and he picks up the need only puts it on the thing and he just looked at me and he said, you're never going to do that again, are you? I said nope, and he walked out. And that was that man. And it was just that idea of like, hey, you're gonna you're gonna screw up, You're

gonna yell shoot into the mike three times. So, you know, I think that a lot of people don't realize that when they hear somebody and they see you, you know, look at Bobby's doing all these things that that didn't just happen overnight. You know that that that takes a lot of mistakes to get to the point where you're at. That's funny, man. First of all, that's the hilarious story, and I can relate like so hard. Yeah, you know for me, there was a guy wrote an article like

three months ago. It was like, yeah, boyebones, he doesn't know the difference being born on third base and hitting a triple. He was born on third base. And I was like, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. I had. Let's yeah, I was seventeen, I had no connections with radio. I begged for a job in Hot Springs, freaking Arkansas, and I was hired to clean the lobby, clean the lobby. That turned into people getting fired. I got to do weekend nights as I was going to

school full time. I started doing nights as I'm working two jobs and going to school. Moved towards every single job, but had has been a small move to the other. I started my syndication company with my own money, and I was making fifty grand a year and was probably putting twenty two of it back into using this technology at the time that wasn't being used in that capacity, which was comrades, and someone had the balls and the nerve to tell me I was born on third base.

But then, as usual, I try to always look at it from a different like Charletmagne, the guys are my best friends, and he's always like, hey, before you get angry at somebody's perspective, try to put yourself in their shoes. And so I did that, and I started to see that when someone assigns you some sort of success that was given to you, it means one you're actually successful, because I think our natural instinct is to be a

hater on anybody. I mean, we just want to hate on people that we think don't deserve to be there, regardless if they've done the work or not. So natural human instinct. On the same way, you're the same way, regardless if it actually comes to fruition. We all have hater and instinct in this and we're like, oh, I

should be there or not down. So, first of all, after realize that that's coming from that direction, and then second of all, I can see very much so how it looks like I was just planted in Nashville and I have a hundred affiliates. That's not the case. But we've been very vocal about the successes of the show. I mean I started. I think I had thirty affiliates when we started, and that was pretty much what I had a pop whenever I switched over. But again, all

the failures, we didn't ye all the failures. We didn't scream, hey, look at all these stations that dropped the show, or the places that we've had ratings trouble or look at We said, hey, look at all the successes. And that wasn't my Ted talks about too, is like everybody that's sup we're successful has felt so many more times than you would ever know, because the successes are what everyone sees. There are the one there's the things that have screamed.

So you know, he said that, and I was very irritated about the article until I took my friends advice. It was like, look at it from his perspective, and so I do that now. In that one instance, I remember it like vividly of being so irritated by it. But I've also grown as a person because of it, and I failed a lot. I gotta find a million dollars by the sec so, and the company kept me, you know, and that wasn't mentioned There's It was the

most difficult eighteen months when I moved to Nashville. We sucked. The show did not fit, the format, did not embrace us.

The artists were scared of us, the listeners didn't want any part of it because we were replacing local morning shows in twenty five cities like it was miserable for eighteen months, and for us to shift an audience even give us a chance, I don't know many people that could have taken that beating unless they were You used to take a beating, and I'm used to take a beating, well, you know, to to like circle back around. One of this is why I was so nervous to interview you,

was because we have very similar backgrounds. I started same thing, small market. I walked in and said, hey, I'll clean the floors. Whatever you want, I'll do that, and then they ended up letting me run aboard, and then somebody got sick, and then I became a DJ. Same thing, put my way through college working on the air. Except for your first contract was a little more than mine. I was making fourteen grand a year when I started

doing some time. To be fair, I was, I didn't have a contract until I was in my until I was like twenty two. So I think we both worked in my way for a long time before we got any sort of documentation that we just did on the radio. That's right, And you know, just that whole idea of working from market to market to market. And one thing I read about you that I didn't know other people did was I used to pay all my bills way ahead of time because I was I'm still like this.

I still think this is my last job and I'm not gonna have any money and I'm gonna be poor again. Does that still run through your head at all? I know I've read in Forbes that that you did that you paid all your bills ahead of time too. Oh yeah, I just don't expect this to last much longer ever, And so I know, well, listen, you can't. It's like there's a difference in a poor person with money and a rich person. And I feel like, regardless of if I have no money or have money, I'll be a

poor person either with money or without. And it's just how we're wired. Like I grew up and you know, I'm pretty good at being poor because that's what I had to do forever. I'm I'm a good survivor, and I I've survived everywhere I've been. I haven't. I don't thrive till way later. I've survived everywhere I've been. I wish that it was just easy, just one thing. I wish one would be easy, but I take on tasks

that are often bigger than me. So I survived through the early part, and then right about the time when it starts to get good, I go, h what if I can try this? And so I kind of set myself up for all this punishment. But you know that's how we're wired. The we're the same. You grow up away, you can change. You can take me out of Arkansas, but you can't take the Arkansas to me. So you

know that that's just how it is, you know. I you said that, you know you wish that, you know you could have things easier, But I don't think so. And my wife pointed that out to me the other day because I was I was just I was sitting I was just saying how I wish I could enjoy downtime, and I'm really just not good with it. I I always feel like I'm not doing enough, that there's something I should be doing instead of watching gold Rush on on Discovery Channel. So I mean, do you think you

really would like it if it was easier? Do you you thrive off of this? Well? I would at this point, I would like for something to be easy. I would like to get So do you how many freaking TV pilots that have been green lit that haven't picked up

that I've done? I mean on a major level, four or five for studios and major money on a pilot and either it hasn't been picked up, or it gets picked up and something falls through, or the leadership changers at the network like at this especially with TV like that has been the the biggest thing to conquer for me is because I've had networks to commit for a year at a time and on big projects, and something has happened every single time. I think I'm over five

on pilots. I've done one for three of the major four networks and then one for c MT, two for CMT, and something has happened every time. So especially I have to look at, well, what's the common denominator? It's me? So how can I change what is sucking? In all of these. So uh, I would like for something. But again, I guess I'm the one that's affecting at all because I can't get it to work. I like for one of those to work. At my point, it's one of them,

I say, just one of them to work. So I I guess if it came too easy, I would probably go, well, is this is really even worth it? There's probably that backhand mentality of if it came easy. It's like Gratcha Warks used to say, I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me. So I wonder if it came easy, if I would go like, wait that was too easy? Is this even worth being here? Or is this for real? So maybe it's some sick, twisted, you know we need to be punished mentality that we

must have. But I would like to get one of these stupid TV shows to work, and mark my word, I got two right now. They're in the work too. If they both fail, I'm done, I'm out no more TV. I quit. Well, So I feel about about about this podcast right now. Or we're about six seven episodes in and I'm just sitting here going God, when is this going to catch on, you know what, never forever. And it took me fifty five episodes of the Bobby Cast. I mean, for I don't even gets sider a podcast

real in my mind less has a hundred episodes. Now, what sucks about my podcast is during hour long, So that's a lot of material. Because a podcast, to me, it's about commitment to consistency. But it's not just about doing dynamic shows every single time, like you needed to tell people what they're gonna get and when they're gonna get it, and then do it. And that's been my story for every single thing I've ever done, but especially in podcasting. Everybody does three podcasts of four podcasts and

players out that's every That's pretty much everyone. Everybody had one. We've done one here, very inconsistent. But to do something consistent is the hardest thing. To show up on time all the time is the one thing that successful people always have in common. So I treat my podcast the same way. It's be consistent. And so we'd around a hundred right now, we're we're getting close to a hundred, and so we're about to be a real thing. In my mind, when we hit a hundred, that's a real podcast.

But until podcast fifty five and fifty seven and we're just talking about over fifty hours of content, din't nobody really listen. Nobody cared that much. But once they did and it started organically being shared, it was like boom. But it took a long time, a lot of patients and just showing up doing it over and over again.

I think that anybody that's gonna be on your podcast network should listen to that and know that they've got somebody supporting them, because in our business it feels like hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up with a lot of stuff. So I think, you know, that's good and refreshing to hear, because it doesn't work like that in podcasting, just like you said, it doesn't work like that really in anything. And then when you do see it,

you go, oh, well, they had it easy. But then you realize there were about seven other layers before that. I mean, it's just all smoke in mirrors. Even with again, someone looking at my radio shows going wow, I look at this guy, he was good. I was giving anything. Man. I had to build my own syndication company with my own money and then go I would like to sell all of it and risk everything to change format. And if you just look at it from afar ago, this

guy was given everything. You weren't give anything. I wasn't given anything. But again then I have to go and look at myself and go, who do I do that too? Because I know for sure if people are doing that to me, I'm looking at somebody else going now, they

were just given that. So it makes me look at myself in the mirror and go, stop doing that, you big douche And so it's been a big reflector for me to be able to go, don't be a douchebag, and people like there being a douchebag to you, and so it's it's it's troubling, it's awesome, it's I tell the people that are coming on the network, do not expect for ten thousand, seventy thousand, or one million people to hear this for the first twenty hours that you're

putting into it, because this is a land of foundation right now, and you're not gonna be good at it first either. You're actually gonna be quite bad. And if you can't do ten shows and go back and listen to a show ten shows ago and go man, I wasn't good, then you're not getting better fast enough. You should be able to be embarrassed of what you did

ten shows ago because you've moved so far ahead. Well, I'm gonna play this for all my talent here who I'm I'm starting a podcast with because they're we're getting a lot of that. Uh, I've done twenty I'm not. You know they either it stops being every week and then you know, it's it's just a keeping people consistent. It's it's really hard. It's it's a lot of people don't want to do it. They don't want to do it,

and they won't do it eventually. But again, I have a show that five million people listened to a week and I did I didn't done over fifty and nobody was listening. So that's the nature of the podcast, Like you're you're growing them one at a time. You're growing these people that listen one at a time. And but that the awesome this is if they're listening to your podcast, they are passionate about what they're listening to. So if you can get them, you have them, just continue to

feed them. It's like a straight puppy. People are like I'm a straight puppy. I wander around looking for food tobody to feed me. And when I find that door that's open or they're giving me food, I go back to that door because they just fed me. And we're all straight puppies looking for something to entertain us in this content driven world where they're a thousand different things coming at us in all different directions. We're all straight puppies.

Just see the stilly puppy, because they're not. They're walking around. You gotta find them and keep feeding them, all right, straight poppy. Before we get out of here, I wanted to I do a very radio a segment at the end here called three Killer Questions. I'm gonna ask your three questions and I want to see what your sponsees in the first one, Bobby Bones, is if there's anyone in history living dead that you can hear do a podcast? Who would you like to hear anyone in history do

a podcast? And I get to pick the subject. Yeah, yeah, this is all you. You're the producer. Whatever you want, more more difficult than than it probably should be. I could just give an answer. I guess um, you know, man, when I look at like I would love to hear Andy Kaufman really talk as a human being and not as one of the characters that he may or may not have been playing. Like I would love to hear

a Andy Kaufman talks as Andy Kaufman podcast. And he told me about all of the everything behind all of the bits that he did, all of these ideas and the stunt, and that's what I was. Andy kaufment to me is one of the more revolutionary comedic figures, because man, he would take a joke and just beat it to death where it wasn't funny, and then keep beating it

till it became funny again. And they'll be able to sit in that spot right where it's like, oh, people don't like it, and just sit and know that they're gonna come back around or they're not. That to me is vulnerable and brilliant, and that's what I would want. Did you watch the Jim Carey documentaries on Netflix right now about the win Man on the Moon? Yes? I watched it. Loved it. I mean, I I just feel like those are kindred spirits man for me, Like I'm

nuts too. I just watched it Saturday, and I meant to watch like I was gonna watch a little bit of it and then go to bed, and I stayed up till one in the morning. It was so fascinating, such a such a good watch. It's called Jim and Andy and I'm gonna tell you if I worked in that Man on the Moon set with Jim, say, is all that crap? I don't want nuts to like I've been so pissed at him, but I mean, like I get I I don't understand why he's like he is,

but I get feeling different than everybody. And that's when I watched that. The document is fascinating anyway, because I love any comman. I love Man on the Moon, and I like Jim Carrey because of he just lowers his head and goes into things, and so I admire anyone that can do that. But the documentary is fantastic, and I'll watched another one on Hulu. It was called Too Funny to Fail with Danna Carvey and uh where it was.

It's about that show and how Steve Carrell was on it and Stephen Colbert was on it, and you know, this show had everybody that ended up being fantastic, but it bombed and it's a it's a really great documentary too. If we love comedy, man, we're we are in the glory days of of of network content as far as with Netflix and Hulu. But I just real quick on the sign up with that Jim Carrey you know he

did that, you know working in radio. We all got that clip when he was being uh at fashion can and he was saying, oh, none of this is real and and people were like, oh, Jim Carrey has gone crazy. Well, I haven't watched that documentary. I'm like, no, now, he's right, none of this is real. And I really I feel like I understand Jim Carrey a lot more from watching that documentary. Yeah. Is he's so right that he's crazy?

That's the question. Like it because we found that the craziest people throughout history were the ones that we're We're right a lot of times. I mean, just think about I mean Galileo. I mean we can go to someone who's just we go, oh, yes, of course, great astronomer who the dude was told he was absolutely nuts, And so throughout times it's taken to people with the really crazy ideas. Two, what was the Bill Gates do with

Steve Jobs? Let's say it takes someone just crazy and so crazy to think they can change the world to actually change the world, and so Jim Carrey is nuts, but those are the people that actually had at making things happen, and people who are so nuts that they believe in themselves. So yeah, now we're on a whole different thing where we could spend an hour on it.

But yes, question number two, what was the one piece of technology you know in your life that you you got and realized this is going to change my life? I mean the easy answers radio, But I'm gonna not say radio. I'm gonna say, ah, probably whenever, my whenever I could take my radio show and put it over

the internet. And so I guess it would be whenever, because we started streaming our show and making it a priority before it was fashionable only because not because I was some suits there, but only because I was young and in radio, and that gave me a huge advantage because I was actually living the life of other twenty three year olds and I wasn't fifty having to adapt, which I always hope that i'm not, because I mean now in my thirties, and I'm hoping I'm not having

to adapt to something and it's not quite fitting, and you know, you don't want to lose your your feet into the ground. But I would say the media Player was a huge deal to me because people could hear my show on the internet and we made it a huge priority. And like two thousand and four, whenever, in two thousand and five, whenever, it really wasn't shows weren't doing that. So I'm gonna say the media player and what was the last podcast you binged? Um that I so,

I don't I won't beinge a podcast. I will listen to them episode only that's even a word, because I have something I like. Um, I like the the the NPR where they tell you how things came about. I just listen to the one one with Southwest Carolines or they tell you how how things are created. I listen to the one UM where they talked about al Alba and the chipmunks. But that's a good I know MPR is like a big rival of ours, I guess, but whatever, um.

But yeah, so that's probably the one that when people would go, hey, what podcast should I listen to? That's when I send them to because you don't have to listen to all of them. You can scroll them and you don't have to feel like you have to binge. You can find something to interest you, just like my Bobby cast. Like you can find a writer and artist and interests you and listen to it and you don't have to listen to the next episode or one seven away.

You can find someone else that interests you. And so, um, how that that's probably the one that I listened to latest, Um, I listen. I listened to Ricky Gervais. His um, Ricky gervaisis uh deadly serious or everyone on serious? Because I love Ricky Gervais, like Ricky Gerbay's, Adam Krola and Chris Rock can me the funniest living individuals. And so I

listened to that one. And again I have all the technology and sometimes the company gets mad at me if you're talking about other things, but then I'm just ignorant if I'm not talking about other things like I those are the probably too I listened to last. And this is a bonus question that I asked. That is a stupid question. But if you were a sandwich personified, not not your favorite sandwich, but if there was a Bobby Bones sandwich that the encompassed you, what would it be?

It would probably a freeing white bread bologney sandwich was just mustard because there's not a lot to it, but they are very effective, and I think that there's not a lot to me. I'm not the smartest, I'm not the funniest, I'm not to anything nest, but just give me a bed of time and I'll make it work. And so I'm a freaking bologna sandwich, hard working, I'll fail you up. Not a lot of fanishiness to it, and I'm gonna show up every day. So probably a

blondie sandwich. That's great, Bobby, Uh, this is great. I really appreciate you spending some time with me. Hey, thanks for thanks for having me and uh, good luck with everyone. And you know you're you're doing You're doing God's work, my friend. All right. For those of you who are listening to the podcast for the first time, this is the part of the show where my producer Z comes in and we talked about some podcasts that you should be listening to and and Z goes out and finds

him and and and tells me about them. But first I have to add aske, do you think Uh, you know, I listened back to the interview. I'll just put the cards on the table. We listened to, you know, we do the we do the interview, and then we do this part a little bit later on. I loved that interview with Bobby. Yeah, I feel like he just had so much good advice and he's such an open book and so willing to say anything or everything. He doesn't feel like he needs to hold back, and I thought

that makes for a good interview. I'm always nervous when there's somebody I want to tell, like like, I feel like I'm just like you and I have so much in common, and I just it's just like and I listened back and I'm like, oh god, I'm kind of gushy and stuff. But I didn't touch it people from you, So I hope you all liked it. Today we're gonna

talk about some podcasts based on radio shows. So Bobby was saying that, you know, and this is a big thing that I believe that if you're doing a radio show and you're just doing your radio show, you're doing yourself a disservice. You should be doing a podcast as well. And these are podcast that come out of radio shows.

So who do you have for us? Well, the first one is out of the Nashville Podcast Network, which is Bobby's Network, and it is Whiskey Riff Raff and it's just two guys named Stephen West and they just are super unfiltered, uncensored about different topics about country music and what it's like living in Nashville. And it's not something I can necessarily relate to because I don't live there, but just listening to them is and the topics they

range cover everything else and they're just funny guys. All right's check it out. There's a kid in Ohio at Ohio State that's using my photos to act like me under under the name Jack I'm Bumble. And then and this girl was like, hey, that's whiskey riff type of stuff and he's like, oh, I'm not sure what it is. It's just my brother's hat I borrowed. And she's like, no, that's not you. And she sent me like the conversation and reported him and I was like, tell her, tell me,

I got the FBI on it. It's a freak amount post. It just really it's really bizarre. Whiskey Riff Raff. I like the name too. It could be the name of my family reunions in West Virginia. Actually, we prefer blue stuff and Hillbillies. Yeah, yeah, that's where I'm that's my people. Yeah, I don't know anything about You don't want to know anything. Yeah, holler folks. All right, So I know the next two.

If you're a Bobby fan, you probably don't know about these shows, and these might not even be something that you would listen to, but I think it's I listened to everything, so I like to hear about shows from all kinds of genres. So let's start with the first one. So the first one is Elvis Durant presents the Fifteen

Minute Morning Show. And Elvis Durant is obviously a legend and I love listening to his on demand podcast after on his show, but this was one that I found and it's everything they don't get to on the radio show that they put into a podcast. And the team is just so funny, like you know that they get along and they all have good banter, and they're really witty and quick, and I just like listen to them and short, so it's just like a quick fifteen minutes.

It's always fifteen minutes and it's easy. All right, let's check it out. But it's true. I thought I thought I had expensive stools. I guess I didn't. I don't want to hear about your stools. But are they made by Nerve? Oh my god, Okay, get this. The chair is made of the Nerve material. Elvis Duran, I wish that. I I wish I had about a hundreds of the cloud he has in in this company of My Heart Radio. Yeah, he's here. Everybody loves him. Oh my god, Elvis, Elvis, Elvis, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby.

You just wanted to be Maddie, Mattie, Maddie. I don't even want that. I would just like it to be like like that. I whisper, beay soon, soon, it'll happen. And our last one is actually from my Heart Media, San Francisco, and it is with Big Vaughan from Camel. He has a podcast called The v Entourage and he describes it as your daily dose of dumb ship. Yeah, it's just I wish people could be in the studio when he's recording it, because I've been in there a

few times and we'll just be talking about something. He'll be like, hey, let's put it on the podcast and the topics, I mean, they can get Yeah, this is not for the faint of heart. If it is not, it's not safe for work. The intro says it don't say work or anywhere somebody else might listen. Um, so hopefully you picked out a clip that's not so so bad. Yeah, I mean I tried my best company that you have it a world fromier. You only get right here in the venturage, the brand new det hose, but it cast

me on side girl trash. But nowadays I can't just really say that because next thing, you know, your mother would be so stupid that people just start singing it and next thing you know, yad and made her a millionaire. Now full disclosure. When I got to my Heart Radio San Francisco, I met Big Vaughan and I immediately said, you have to do a podcast. And he was the first podcast I launched when I got here. He's a walking podcast. Yeah, he always has something interesting to say.

I mean he is. Yeah, he is just a podcast. I hope, I hope people check that out. It's it's definitely one of my favorite podcasts. All right, good job and welcome if you're a new listener, we really appreciate you coming in and checking out the show. Go back and listen to some past episodes. We had uh Phoebe judge on from Criminal which is she That's one of my favorites. Um the first episode with Seth Lynn from This American Life, the folks from Mission to Zix. Now,

that's a good one. There's all kinds of footballers, all magical. Coming up in the new year, we'll have a new season featuring comedian Felipe. I didn't interview with him, and we went on for an hour and then we we stopped and then we started talking again and we got another twenty minutes. So I might have split that one up. But I had a great time with him. But if you like more about the show, you can check us out on Facebook at Access podcast and on Twitter at

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