Warning. This episode contains details that some listeners may find disturbing. every town and city has its share of strange mysteries. Unsolved crime and local legends. And, of course, New York City, being one of the largest and most dynamic cities on earth, has more than its fair share. After a recent visit to Manhattan, I decided to look into some of my favorite strange tales in Mysteries from New York. This is a study of strange. Welcome back to the show.
I'm your host, Michael, your guide into all sorts of strange historical mysteries and odd things that I like to cover today. We're joined by my friend Sanjay Raja. Sanjay is definitely the definition of Multihyphenate. He runs his own health and fitness business. He's a trainer. He's an author of a book called The Food Talk. And he and I are working on a show together right now called Recipe for Wellness. Hi, Sanjay. Welcome to the show. I'm pretty good.
I'm pretty good. So it's hard to describe what you do. So what can you tell people about yourself? Yeah, that's right. Yes. Sanjay has been an actor as well. And yeah, he does a lot. And as a nutrition and health person, I haven't necessarily thought of you for this show, but there's a couple of reasons why I wanted you on tonight. One is we were recently in New York working on your television show.
And as I like to do when I go places, I started reading all sorts of strange tales about New York City and refreshing my mind about things that were there. And I was like, you know what? It'd be fun to do a little list here of some of my favorite mysteries in New York and have you on since we were there. And there are connections to places we were filming And also, I found out when we were in Florida filming, You're a fan of Ghost shows like Ghost and Exact. that's amazing.
And now have you been interested in, like, ghost stories your whole life, or is it just like a thing on TV that captured your imagination? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I you know, it's funny you say that story. Yeah. No, no, no. That's very extreme. And I would be banished from my home if I ever did that to my son.
But I. And I've talked about this a little bit with my wife about the history of telling scary stories around campfires, and that translated into novels and stories and eventually horror movies and things like that. And the reason there's a historical traditions is because it actually helps you learn how to deal with fear, learn how to overcome obstacles just by sharing and dealing with scary stories. And yeah, yeah, that's wonderful.
And on that note, let's get your your hearts racing out there because we're going to talk about some we're going to talk about see, I'm a good host. That's how we're going to talk about some darker stories from one of the most famous cities in America, New York, today. And there's a little something for everybody. We have a little bit of a scripted story. We got some haunted stories and we have some true crime. So there's something for everybody.
to start with, I'm going to share a tale that it's the inspiration for one of my favorite authors short stories, Edgar Allan Poe's mystery of Marie Roget. Now, he based that on a real Story, an unsolved murder of Mary Rodgers, and he changed the name and location from New York to Paris to, you know, give it a European flair. So this starts in 1841, which is a time when New York was really growing very quickly.
The industrial revolution is kicking off when the Five Points gang we were in that area when we were in New York a week ago when they were becoming. Yeah, when that was becoming the home of organized crime in America, and that's when the story takes place. Mary Rodgers was a well-known figure in Manhattan. She was celebrated for her beauty and charm while working at a tobacco slash cigar shop and allegedly in the newspapers wrote about it.
She was kind of popular in New York, and her beauty apparently attracted all sorts of clientele to this shop. Yet it was her mysterious death that cemented her in this strange and unsavory history of New York City. So at 10 a.m. on the morning of Sunday, July 25th, 1841, Mary called upon her fiancee and informed him that she was going to go visit her aunt, Mrs. Downing, on Bleecker Street, and she was intending to spend the day with her. However, by that evening, Mary had not returned home.
She didn't call on her fiance again. She didn't talk to her mother, nor did she show up to work. The following morning on Wednesday, fishermen found her body floating in the Hudson River. The body showed signs of violence, of bruising, things like that. How much? It's actually hard to say. Today, the case exploded across all major newspapers, drawing attention from Edgar Allan Poe, because he obviously wrote a book about this and many others.
It was a national story like if we equate this to today, it would be on all the blogs, it be on CNN and Fox News and everything else. Everybody would be covering it like crazy. And no one really knows what happened to her. They don't know for sure if she was killed, if it was an accident today, if she was killed. That raises the question of who would actually want Mary dead.
And the theories were numerous people have speculated that it could have been a failed robbery, some sort of lover's quarrel, or something more sinister. An initial investigation suggested she might have been the victim of gang violence and also a big prominent theory that came out a little while after she was found is that she may have died after a failed abortion attempt and then dumped in the river to hide the crime. However, there's a lack of witnesses.
There's not really any concrete evidence. And the newspapers, because they paid so much attention to it, they added to rumors and speculation. And so it's hard to actually figure out what's real and what's not even for investigators at the time. So I could do a whole episode on Mary Rodgers. There's a lot of old newspaper articles that are great sources of information, and it would be great to like suss through all those details. But for today's episode, we're not actually going to do that.
There's newspapers have claimed that there was evidence of rape. Others newspapers say there wasn't some claim that they had like she had a some sort of string or cloth around her neck, like she was strangled. Others say that wasn't there. So it's just it's really interesting to try to figure out what could have really happened to Mary. Mary Rodgers. And fueling the mystery were a number of things. One, her beauty. She was so attractive, it got the attention of everybody.
And that helped spread the news and all these rumors. Second, her hair, her fiance say, killed himself soon after her death. And there's a lot of speculation around that he was a suspect in it and was questioned by the police. But then they they said no, he he didn't do it, but he did kill himself afterwards. Third, she had gone missing once before, but had returned home after a few days. And she even left a suicide note when she disappeared the first time. People then claimed it was a hoax.
That also got attention in the press at the time. So when she when she disappeared this time, a lot of people were like, she's probably pulling some sort of prank again or has a boyfriend somewhere. And left. So anyway, that adds a lot of fuel to this mystery. The first thing is the coroner's report, because the autopsy was inconclusive, even though there's apparently tons of physical evidence on her body of what could have happened. And that is definitely a strange thing.
And that's where you and I are going to do a little reading. Sanjay. We're going to do a little recreation of a. It actually does, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It said it was dead like they found her body, so it can't show up at the end. Yeah. So you and I are going to do a little recreation if you open up that email I sent you the top part. There is a scene. I'll read the stage directions. And do you want to do you want to read the coroner or the reporters? Let's do coroner. Yeah, near the corner.
I'll read the stage directions and all the the other reporters parts. All right. You ready for this? A press conference is set about in front of the coroner's office. In front of the building are dozens of reporters. A man steps up to the top step leading up to the office building and turns to address the reporters. He gestures to a few gentlemen standing behind him. Doctor, was there any sign of violence on the victim? What about the marks on her neck? Was she strangled?
Another reporter jumps in. And what about bruising on her body? Was that from an attack or could it have been from falling into the river? I'm sorry? Was it an attack or falling into the river? There's a pause as the crowd is confused at what was the cause of death. Did she drown or was she killed before she was in the water? We know that. How did she die? The reporters are all asking questions, unsatisfied, that's obviously not a too realistic scene there.
But I wanted to draw this point of the coroner's autopsy, all the inspections were just inconclusive, and that obviously adds to the mystery. But it seems very odd that it would be inconclusive when you have a body found just two days after she went missing. You have apparently signs of a struggle maybe. And to not come up with any kind of I know it's 1841 and you know, all this kind of stuff has progressed dramatically since then.
But surely there'd be signs of either she drowned or is there water in her lungs or there is bruising like she was beat up, like stab wounds, anything. But there's nothing. It's just quote unquote, inconclusive, which is obviously very, very weird. So over the decades, Mary Rodgers story has been revisited by historians and online sleuths like myself, all trying to piece together the puzzle. Even Edgar Allan Poe tried to solve the case. He even rewrote the story once more information came out.
However, he never conclusively said who a murderer could be. He never had a primary suspect. So or I should say he never had a primary suspect unrelated to one of the real world People in this story. So it does kind of sound like that. I don't think she was high up. I think she was just well-known because she was working in this cigar shop. And I think just as sort of, you know, a sales person, Clark type person, you know, she wasn't well-to-do and living in some giant mansion in Manhattan.
But but she was well known. Yeah. So because you do have a medical background, would you I know you're only hearing a part of the story, but do you think that she was attacked? Do you think she could have just slipped and fell and drowned? Like, do you have any thoughts? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And like I said, I do want to do a deeper dive on this story in the future.
So for listeners out there, if you want to hear more about the mystery of Mary Rogers, send me an email, a study of stranger gmail.com and let me know like, yeah, do a deep dive on that because there are there's plenty of sources to get more detailed on the actual, you know, signs or signs of struggle or potential violence in the body. There are witnesses, most of them likely made stuff up, but there are witnesses that claim they saw her with a person.
And there's a woman who said her two sons may have killed her. And like all this other craziness that we can go down. So, yes, if you're interested in that, send me a message and I will definitely put it on the list for future episodes. But next, Sanjay, we're turning to tipsy encrypted that apparently is in the waters of the Hudson River right around New York. I had actually never heard of this until recently. Have you ever heard of Gypsy? Yeah.
Yeah. So it's the Hudson Rivers version of the Loch Ness Monster. Yeah. Yeah. So this is a scripted in New York. Gypsy has been part of the river lore since the early 1600s. So some sources claim others attribute the beginning of this legend to the 1880s, when a steamship that Daniel Drew caught fire near Poughkeepsie, hence the name Gypsy and a serpent was seen afterwards in nearby, I should say, a very large serpent.
So Gypsy is described in various accounts as serpentine, massive, glowing eyes that are seen at night. And actually, if you pull up your email again, I'm going to have you read from a newspaper article in the 1880s, just a short quote. It's right at the bottom of this scene. We did it. Go ahead when you're ready. Yes. There you go. That's the story of. Yeah. Yeah, very much so. Absolutely. No, sorry. What are you going. yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. If it is real, I don't.
I don't know how it survives. Over the years, sightings have been sporadically reported by fishermen, tourists all claiming to have glimpsed something unexplainable. Some local tales attribute a protective nature to Gypsy, claiming it guards the river from those who wish to harm it. Sort of.
I would equate it to like, the captain planet of the Hudson River, like it's get out there that's trying to protect the environmental sustainability of the river, which is a really interesting take to have a I really like that. And it apparently it only surfaces when it needs to to remind us to take care of the river's health. But what could Gypsy really be?
So skeptics argue that these sightings are nothing more than mis identifications, which definitely happens like large sturgeons or floating debris. Yet the descriptions of gypsy size and behaviors are definitely unique and strange for four animals that currently live in the Hudson. Others speculate it's like a prehistoric creature that survived, similar to like theories around Nessie or even Champ in Lake Champlain in North America, which is close to that as well.
Now, I will add that there were sightings in the 2000s, like there are current day sightings. However, one of the big sightings that happened, they actually found out it was a manatee and yeah, and in New York. So they do I know they're typically more south, but they they can obviously get up there. And manatees have been mistaken historically for all sorts of things, for whales to mermaids to mean creatures like manatees get mistaken a lot.
I think it's probably because they're in shallow waters where people have boats and so they get seen more often. I had I did swim with manatees by accident in Florida growing up. I kicked one with my foot and I didn't know what it was when I was out in the ocean. And then a few minutes later, my dad, who was with me, his eyes got huge and was like, Go to shore now. And I'm like panicking, thinking a shark is behind me and we swim to shore and turn around and I see the big like hump
coming out of the water. And I said it was a big whale. And then it was it was a manatee. But yeah, I was kicking it and but it was very nice. Maybe I thought I was just playing along with it. So anyway, that is the story of capsize. So now we're going to shift into something entirely different.
Now we find ourselves in the glitzy era of the Roaring Twenties, an era of jazz prohibition, the rise of organized crime, And this tale centers around a man who epitomized the era Arnold Rothstein, infamously known as a kingpin of the Jewish Mafia in New York.
Back then, he was known for his gambling obsession from a very young age and his involvement in fixing professional sports, including the legendary 1919 World Series, which, you know, the team, I think it was the White Sox bet on themselves to lose or win, I can't remember. But all of it was not very good. And Ross Rothstein helped train or mentor other well-known gangsters like Lucky Luciano, Frank Costello and Bugsy SIEGEL.
So Arnold Rothstein, life came to an abrupt and mysterious end on November 6th, 1928. He was fatally shot during what appeared to be a business meeting at the park Central Hotel in Manhattan. And despite his notorious background, Rothstein was a pivotal figure in New York's underground scene, not merely for his illicit activities, but also for his connections across legal and illegal spectrums of society.
He was the one that kind of brought this, I want to say, like corporate it mentality to organized crime, like running it more as a as a well-organized business than just thugs and intimidation. The day he was shot, Rothstein's business meeting was actually a poker game that was fixed, allegedly fixed against him. And the story goes that he was in debt during this game, which had been going on for three days, which I can't imagine playing a poker game for three days.
And he got upset because he claimed the game was fixed. There's an argument about a bang, but a boom. He ends up being shot and and taken to the Polyclinic Hospital where he died two days later on November 4th. And here's where the story gets strange. We don't know who shot him, even though the room was full of multiple people at the time and he survived for two days and could still talk. He never, ever named who his assailant assailant was. The primary suspects for this murder.
Start with George Hunt McManus, who was known to have been present at the hotel during the time of the shooting, And McManus was arrested shortly after Racine's death. But was later acquitted due to a lack of evidence. And this leads us to the question If it wasn't McManus, then who did it? Rothstein's financial records revealed significant debts owed to him, amounting to over $300,000, which in today's money is a lot. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's a lot of money.
And his ledger, however, was never found. And some speculate that the murder could have been one of those debtors who devised this poker game to make a mad have to have the guy get shot, that sort of thing. we have to talk about the scene of the crime, the Park Central Hotel. It was known as a hub for the city's elite and the criminal underbelly at the time. It's also tied to more famous deaths, including actor Fatty Arbuckle, who died there in the midst of his own scandal.
For those that know Hollywood history, Fatty Arbuckle was in a very notorious scandal that ruined his career. And then also later gangster Albert Anastasia was shot there in the 1950s and that building is still there. We were near we we didn't go there, but we were actually really close to it. We were filming in Central Park. So despite the many theories and suspects, the murder of Arnold Rothstein remains one of New York's most famous organized crime mysteries and deaths.
And the site of the Park Central Hotel is still right there in the middle of Manhattan, where you can go visit. Very, very similar. Yeah. And they did like the police asked him while he's on his deathbed, who shot you? And he's like, Ma'am, I don't I don't remember the quote. But there is a quote of like, I don't tell people who you know, it's not your job to know who shot me or some, you know, some great 1920s gangster line. So now we're going to take another turn here.
This is what are my favorite locked room mysteries, a real locked room mystery, which is funny because we talked about Edgar Allan Poe earlier and he had murders in the Rue Morgue, which is a famous locked room mystery. I also did an episode on a Lot Drew Mystery, one of my first episodes on the show. And actually, I think it is my first episode of a study of Strange. Go back to listen to that murder mystery, which is also a real locked room murder mystery, everybody.
So this is the story of Isidore Fink. And I looked up how to say that earlier. Now I'm questioning how I'm pronouncing that I apologize if I'm doing that wrong. And the evening of March 9th, 1929, Isidore Fink was an immigrant and he owned a laundry, which was also doubled as his apartment. And on that morning, March 9th, 1929, he was found dead in that space. And that is on East 1/32 Street in Manhattan.
The doors and windows to this apartment slash laundry were locked from the inside, leading the police to wonder how the killer could have escaped. So here's what we know about that night. A neighbor heard screams and the sounds of a struggle and then called The police Officers arrived to find a very strange scene. The front and back doors were bolted from the inside. The windows were not only locked, but also too small for an average person to pass through.
And that is confirmed by an officer who actually tried and failed to fit through one of the windows to get inside and gain entry, which I would love to see that scene in a movie of some police officer getting stuck in a window. Inside they found Isidor Fink, shot twice in the chest and once in the left wrist near his body, lay a pile of coins and a few crumbled bills indicating that this could possibly have been a robbery and got shot.
And then, you know, the person who killed him heard things and escaped before they actually robbed him. And yet no other valuable items appeared to be missing. No weapon was found at the scene, which deepened the mystery because if this was a suicide, like some initially thought, where was the gun? It was gun. And if it was a murder, how did the perpetrator escape? I should mention I may have missed this or forgot to write it down.
The way they got inside is they had to get a boy to climb in through the transom window, which are those windows above some front doors that can open. And it was too small for a person. And that window was they were able to get that open and they got this boy to, like, jump through and then open up the doors. And that's how they eventually got inside. Now, forensic analysis at the time was primitive by today's standards, to say the least.
But there was no sign of gunpowder on Fink's hands, suggesting he had not shot himself. The autopsy confirmed that the trajectory of the bullets came from someone else's hands, and the position and depth of the wounds implied a struggle had occurred. Yet there was no evidence of another person present. At the time of death, detectives considered several theories.
One posited that the killer had a key, entered and left a locked the door that was quickly shot down at the time because of the way the bolts locked on the door, they had to be locked from the inside. Another theory suggested the killer was inside the apartment, waited for Fink to return, committed the murder, and then head when the police showed up and later left. However, apparently they really gave this a thorough looking through. They couldn't find hiding places.
So that is likely not a realistic explanation for things either. A far more far fetched idea involved the small windows. Could someone have shot think through that open transom window above the door and then left? That all being said, no one ever cracked the case and it's still a mystery to this day, I guess is the best way to to end that story. During your visit, you look very inquisitive, son. JJ what questions do you have?
Yeah, and also the risk thing to me points at a struggle like that's what that says. And apparently because I didn't, I didn't write down all of these because we're doing, you know, short versions of all these stories today. But reading about it, it does seem like they they concluded that the gunshot wounds had to be like right there with him. Like, I don't know if it had to be point blank range.
So the idea of like someone shooting him through a window at an odd angle doesn't seem realistic to me because of that point blank range. And also someone that means someone would have had to have like a ladder or something outside that front door to angle down through the window. Like it just seems a little like we're creating more questions than answers. When you start going down that rabbit hole, it is very strange. Yeah, Yeah. But then how did the doors get locked and how did he live?
And yeah, it's it's really bizarre. It is a really bizarre one. And you know, there's other like the, the episode I did the the is it William Bumiller. I'm trying to remember the guy's name but the first episode I ever did. Everybody go back and listen. It's really good. It's a good story that I call it a locked room mystery because there is a locked room aspect to that story. But it's a very minor aspect of that case. And I've read about other locked room mysteries.
All of them are kind of minor. The locked room aspect is is kind of like just one little aspect that kind of quickly moves on to more important aspects of the stories. This room, is it real murders in the room morgue kind of situation where it's all about the locked room and how could this have happened? And I would love, you know, a Sherlock Holmes to come in and try to come up with a reasoning for how this all happened. It would be amazing. But on that note, we need to move on.
So we've gone through locked rooms, we've gone through Cryptids and now there's a very odd story that I wanted to cover, even though it's kind of a small one. There's this mystery around Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York, and it doesn't deal with death or ghosts or anything like that. But the disappearance, the curious disappearance of a missing cornerstone.
So this began in the mid-19th century when the construction of the Saint Patrick's Cathedral was underway on August 15th, 1858, a cornerstone was laid with great ceremony and it was attended by thousands of people. And it marked the beginning of what would become one of the city's most iconic landmarks. But decades later, during a renovation, workers discovered that the cornerstone tone was missing. And the cornerstone, I should say, was not just a block of stone.
It apparently had some kind of time capsule within it or behind it, something like that. And it was filled with mementos and messages for the future and blessings to the cathedral and all those kind of things that would go into a time capsule. Historians have speculated about what exactly was placed inside, because we don't know. It was supposed to be a bit of a surprise for many years later. And we will never know because that time capsule, that cornerstone, is missing.
So what happened to this vital piece of New York and Catholic history? Some theories have been floated over the years. Some suggest that the cornerstone was never actually moved, but was simply built over and misidentified during subsequent construction phases. Others propose that it might have been deliberately removed, perhaps during an undocumented repair or renovation or misplaced, and that raises questions about motives to steal this.
Could someone have taken it just because, hey, let's take the cornerstone man. Secure or it's someone do it because they thought it had some value that they might be able to sell it later on, which we don't know if that ever happened. And I think you'd be caught if you tried to do that anyway. Yes, yes, yes.
So there's there's some weird stuff going on with that, but no one's ever quite cracked the case on finding or even coming up with a really solid theory as to what could have happened to this cornerstone. And lastly, Sanjay, a very short story, but I had to do something with ghosts just for you. So there's dozens and dozens and dozens of haunted locations in New York City. I like to find things a little off the beaten path for my show.
And I found out that Washington Square Park is apparently a haunted location in New York. And we were there filming. So that's where yeah, that's where we were right before going to the Red Dragon, the vegan restaurant that we shot at. Grant Bamboo. Excuse me, Red Bamboo. So we were at Washington Square Park. We hung out there for a little while. I think Melanie, our producer, did it zoom or face time there? Just she had a meeting. So Washington Square Park is allegedly haunted.
And the reason behind that allegation is tied in with history, which is what I love about haunted stories. And it's actually pretty dramatic. So the arch in the park is a famous arch in Washington Square Park. Forgive me audience for me not knowing the name of that, but a lot of people have reported being touched by a hand when they're near or underneath that arch, when no one is standing near them.
And there are other little sightings and experiences reported throughout history, including people seeing bodies hanging from the trees of the park at certain times, usually at night or dusk, I think is what I read. Now, the story behind that and why the park may be haunted is that this is an area where they used to hang criminals, you know, a few hundred years ago.
And when they turned it into a park for public use, when they were digging and constructing and doing all of that kind of stuff to build the park, bones were found that actually marked the site as, yeah, this is where they used to do executions. And there's an estimation that there were over 20,000 dead bodies that are buried in Washington Square Park. So although we did not experience anything paranormal when we were there, apparently a lot of people do and there is a depth.
Yeah, I know, right? We do. I didn't I didn't know until now. I had to find something, you know, somewhat paranormal to include in this little episode. And I thought that one was great since we were there just a handful of days ago. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah, I do, too. I love it. I love it. Yeah. I'm fascinated with paranormal stories for people that have listened to my show for a long time.
I've done some paranormal episodes and I love those stories, but I'm more on the edge of the skeptic. And one of the reasons I am more on the edge of the skeptic is you talk about the psychosomatic thing is, I do believe in the power of suggestion. I think that it's so powerful and people see and experience what they want to see and experience what I have implanted in their brain.
And there's tons of studies when it comes to paranormal where people would be like, we're staying in a haunted house and they just make up all these stories and they'll be like the lady in White walks down the hallway and the next morning, so I'll be like, So the lady in white and it's like, lady in white. I made it up. But also there's one of again, I'm going to reference one of my old episodes. Please, everybody go listen to it.
It's the story of the Myrtles Plantation, which is supposedly one of the most haunted locations in America, in Louisiana. And when you look at the true history of the Myrtles plantation, there is a person that was killed on the property shot. He, in reality was shot outside and died outside.
But there's a story that somehow got started over the history of this place, that he got shot outside, wandered inside and died on a certain step in the front room and today there's like, on the seventh step or whatever number step it was where he died. That's where a ton of people have all these experiences. And you hear him his footsteps or him falling or a gunshot. And it's like, well, he didn't die there. He died outside. It wasn't inside.
But because that has been implanted in books and stories, people experience something there. And I do say if if there's anywhere that's actually haunted, it will be the Myrtles plantation. There's a lot of creepy, terrible history there. But but the the fact that people do make up stories it does go into that power of suggestion anyway. So I could talk about that stuff all day. I'd love it. I don't I don't need to take up more of your time.
So before we go, Sanjay, first, thank you for being on the show. Second, I do want people to be able to find our TV series and your work as we move along. There will be more information in the future because the show is not out yet. But in the meantime, is there anything you want to plug within the show or your books or your training? Anything else that you want to talk about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We should. We should share. So it's called Recipe for Wellness.
It'll be out later this year. And it is Sanjay's journey, meeting a bunch of other experts, health and wellness, a lot of food. Cassandra does cook, and he wrote a book about, you know, diet and nutrition and cooks a lot himself. But there's other aspects to it involving health and wellness. And we've been meeting a lot of amazing people that yes, that is very true. Yeah. And I'll share some links in the show notes for everybody on uncertain things to follow. And yeah, thank you so much, Sanjay.
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