Hello, and welcome back to a better world. This is your host Mitchell J Raven. We're very glad you're joining us again today. Today, we're going to have another very interesting show. We are on location in Santa Barbara, California, an incredibly beautiful place and we are we are at the Sacred Water Symposium and this is a group that has convened to
discuss, very pressing issues. Relating to water globally, both the economics, the politics, the spirituality of water, the nourishment, the health aspects, Of water. And among the People speaking one of the speaker's is a lovely gentleman named Bill Cox who has been a dowser for the past 35 years prior to that he was a writer and he continued to be a writer on the subject of dowsing and water and related subjects.
So we're very glad to have Bill with us today and he's going to be speaking with us about some important pieces of the puzzle that we all could learn two more about So Bill, thanks so much for being on the show with us. She played on, thank you, pleasure to have you good? First of all, there is this idea that of water and most people have some idea of what water is although probably not closely examined, then there's this idea. Also that you spoke about the
other day of primary water. Perhaps you could just Enlighten our audience about what is its nature. And then after that, how do you find it? We good. Well, primary water is new water. Created above the magma, as superheated Steam with a cat. Geochemical, it's going on and this steam is pressurized with the addition of carbon and other minerals, and it's pushed up to rock and eventually it Finds Its near to or at the surface of the Earth Yellowstone National Park.
We see geysers, for example or it comes up in volcanic. Action sometimes. And this water what we call a box and they hydrogen and oxygen H2O and you have butter and that's what we are dealing with in the hydrosphere on the Earth today. So essentially then it is its water and vaporize State that's not on the surface but emanating from Center or closer to the Center of the Earth. It's coming from within In to, without that's the point. Oh stop. Stop stop.
Okay, so let me just make sure I understand this. Basically, you're talking about a vapor water into vapor estate, come on, Earth, issuing outward as opposed to our ordinary idea of say, surface water. Yes, that's the basic idea that then then condenses and you have liquid water. Yes, it's true. And it Come from the center of the earth that comes from the magma, which is more or less to three miles down below the surface of the Earth, okay?
And it finds its way up through, enter sizes in the Rock and we sometimes they're called one of my favorite word's. Yeah, it's good, it's good and the my job is to find it near enough to the Earth where you can economically afford to drill to bring it up. Or use the surface. I see. So is that note you brought this wonderful chart with this help? Yes, it's understand General. This is all rock and magma down here and this is rock.
And these are like vents or pipes that allow the water to find its way up to the surface naturally occurring fractures. Yes, it's hard as a rock hence are the pipes pipes in effect and sometimes it only goes up so far and stops. It's super heated, Steam down here and as it comes up, it cools and condenses and sometimes it's just awful tough by the chemicals. That this heat picks up the and from The Rock from The Rock. Yes.
And though the idea it's very hard sometimes to drill down and get right into one of those caps because it may be very small. Oh, so what we try to do is an area where there are fractures where it's moving out laterally some like these veins here and then then you've got a Chance to find, maybe a two or three levels where the water can be captured at more than one depth, all in the same vein as or the same.
And we're talking about depths within two or three thousand but my job is really to find it within two hundred to maybe 1,000 feet and an average of about 4, 500 feet, maybe 600 feet in quantities, sufficient for agriculture use. Now how is it then that That if it's vapor here and it's going against gravity. Yes, that's very good question.
What pulls it up? Well, the very nature of water is called the very nature of water is that it wants to send even when it comes to the to the Earth's surface, we call it evaporation and it goes up and as it gathers, it condenses into clouds. And when the clouds get to Heavy in the right mixture of the elements and heat in the cold. Why it rains back down on us and this is called meteoric, or weathered Waters. And that's wonderful and science
that they learn. In college in hydrology, basically says that all water comes from rainfall or recycled rainfall percolating into the end ground and so on and I'm Ruby water and this is a hard thing to sell because they say even down in the magma, the water is percolating all the way down. Made into steam and recycled back up but it's chemistry that's going on down there High School teachers. The high school teachers know about primary water but they you won't find it in textbooks too
easy there. They might call a primordial or they have other names for juvenile waters. Are virgin Waters, never seen the light of day, they'll have different terms for but it sounds like that's not what you think mean. If it's because it sounds like it's recycled from reindeer. Guess what? There's a cold all the time. So what is Virgin?
Well that's when actually they call it in very by must provide or just by their juvenile Waters, the new Waters recycle, Jen water is new and so it's your understanding that this actually is newborn. Wonk the magma. Yeah, level. Where, how do you understand? It's made there, and then a steam blowing it on the table, first, a cold. And as you heat it up. And finally, here chernin what happens to this team, there's really an argument for The Ether, you know, when you think
of when it becomes invisible. Yeah, but what I mean, is at the beginning, where does it comes? I mean, there is as magma in the beginning. There was mad but you know, something like that magma. It's where we called Biochemistry when it first was, there's different schools of thought on this, but as a great big ball of molten, whatever it was that kept us spent finally cooled over time and condensed, and then there were volcanoes and geysers and so on.
And one school says, well at the Earth was born already with an atmosphere and another one says, no, it couldn't have. It was too hot 2,000 or more degrees. Maybe it was taught Earth itself from later, what we call magma, which closer to the Earth. I'm talking about the littles, the little of sphere is just below the surface and then we call the Earth. The hydrosphere is where the waters are the rivers and the lakes and the ocean, okay? And then we have that the atmosphere.
Okay? But the idea is that think just of magma, This like thick. Yeah, black dense material somehow or another hydrogen, and oxygen are marrying. Their yes, is forming water, they're making of water, yet the making liquid water, like, in the teapot which begins as cold water. And then, as it rises it steams, and then it liquefied well at all molted. Archers, aim superheat, the Arts esteem. Okay, which condenses and cools later. Later on, as it comes up, Liquid in the hot water.
And then it goes, further up, it cools, and it can find private. The surface is cold water. Now, what is being created this way? Bill? This this is producing, 1,000, 2,000, 5,000 gallons, a minute. That's a lot of water enough for all City coming new water. and, Have you seen this to be? You know, it's very, very interesting. History goes back to his father.
girls who are Norwegian mining engineer, who discovered that on the Rock Post near the old drill into pot, bring up fresh water where normally you would expect saltwater intrusion Pleasant or at times there might have been but they were so Eric, paper s, and one year around the turn of the century, coming into the 20th century and he was nominated for an Prize for his work. I don't think was ever awarded but he would received it recommendation for Wow.
And so what has become of this knowledge? Well, sort of carried forward by people like myself, who believe that we were connected with knowledge. There are very Who used team used to located. Sure. There are others who are experiencing it in their own way that science working with it. And they call other names Nature's Own internal sources, or whatever, ice it's the same thing, it's interesting.
You know, you're reminding me of the Chinese pictogram or ideogram their word life force, which is The in actually shows is the steamer Vapor coming off of millet. Now, I don't know if there's any relationship between this steam coming out of the earth and this particular way and the steam that the Chinese are referring to as the very life force of life itself. But for some reason, it wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese many thousands of years ago were
onto. I'm like yeah because after doing to work for twenty five twenty years, I found out about and I was handed a wonderful manuscript which had been translated from Chinese and exchange data. And I found this, this is marvelous. They're doing what I'm doing in their own way hundreds of centuries ago and it was confirmation that I was on the right track and Sochi from this point of view is That the primordial source is what they call Wu wuu, woochi, right.
Which comes out and it becomes Tai Chi, or no, pardon me, it divides into yin and yang. Well, but that's the Tai Chi. Yeah, and right. And yeah, that's Tai Chi and divides into you still arity of the of the one, the opposite, right? As we will live in a world of Duality or opposites and then so then out of this. Yin and yang force. That is specialized Chief will Tri is the life force. You can call it the Dow. I think the Dow is what it really is.
So I began to understand what the doll was and yin and yang. So I find a lot of Yin and Yang and all of natural. And this is part of, this is Yang that of the magma. Good when it but type by the time he gets near the surface, it becomes more than I am and Waters marvelous because it can be very masculine and aggressive and stormy sea, or it can be a Placid Lake and very calm. Exactly anything to be and it does. Right. Exactly. It's both the male and the
female. Yeah. Active. And the passive. Exactly exactly. Very interesting. So there are implications to all this, of course. Yeah. I mean for our world that is virtually starved for water as time goes on. And some of the issues that we're dealing with here at this conference is is in some measure the scarcity of water. Yes. So If you're saying that basically, it's on every continent, and even in every desert, then water really need, not be a problem.
That it looks like it is now. Well, I don't want to digress, but I want to make a short statement. Sure that if you take him at the left, end of a spectrum or are along rods, they and yang at the Right End. One of the thing is to Yen. Nature, doesn't like that. It like somewhere near the middle. O Shah alam's. It doesn't a 50/50 is a standoff, so it needs to be a little more Yen, or a little more Yang. Now, for thing this to Yen nature is going to step in and flip that thing over and it
becomes this opposite. So, suddenly becomes violent becomes active in Yang, or if it's to Yang, it only flip over and then the real aggressiveness slows down and becomes pasi. And we go out, we've got a trophy so that it'll work its way back to the middle. This explains why we Have that don't last forever earthquakes, they would never stop. So when the flood is done is damaged or the earthquake, why
nature steps into? Hey, we need a little quiet Yen, but three, just a few years back and Northridge is rather quiet, place little little earthquakes for say, 50 years or so. And all of a sudden, it was 22 Yen, too, passive. And they had this round earthquake and, like, the ones we're seeing in the paper in Japan, and so on. We're places to Yen nature stepping in and say, hey, we're going to get this in the balance. What does that thing have to do with accessing primary water?
Well, it's the same thing. The primary water down a boat, is superheated steam. In is roiling and borrow yesi climbs becoming yeah, the surface, then it spreads out. And then the nature of the surface environment has yin and yang going on Sunshine moonshine, or you know what I mean. Right right. Right by the time we get our hands on. It, it's already become passive, well Yellowstone Park, the Old Faithful. That's coming up all the way, but it goes into steam into the air.
Yes. And I became him right in the so the I never met the condensable. Yeah, there may not have windstorms up there to sell. Well, that would be kind of contrary to the yin and yang, right? So, how will, how do you use dowsing as a means of finding either primary water or Water in general, right? I would like to say this that what we call whether you are like water, which comes from the atmosphere like all snow melt and flood, runoff and percolating into the
underground. It behaves differently underground, then primary water okay, and as a dowser through my intuition, I've learned to feel the difference. No, it sounds boastful or thing, but it was nature teaching me and, and so you learn by your mistakes. In your successes. Sure. And I'm there to see the Moment of Truth when they do the drilling, whether I'm right, or he has and always an exciting
moment. Imagine shows nature said, no wonder you've been missing anything here so so it taught me how to feel when there's a this up. Russ, I answered. It would just literally go up into the air. But what's going on here and eventually? It was mentioned. Hey, you fool. This is a pie this coming up and closed surface. And so the idea, then was finally closed. Enough. So we could drill down and get into it because it's and geologists. Hydrologists drill all Drillers.
They don't like to drill in Solid Rock. See all the way to 10. Are going to get anything but we have unless you know look few good occasion. You can drill through Consolidated Rock. I'm several hundred feet and you get into the fractures and it's a fractures at the outlets that will do it all in the water actually. Becomes Artesian many times or free-flowing? Yes. So you get proof in 1080, don't use tools. I mean some people use pendulums and divining Rod, what happened?
Aha, well, it's just this version version of a water compass that Mr. Cameron who is my granted and it has the capability of different dowsing. Instruments all rolled into one. Wow, works as a directional, Vice this way. Feel numbers by the way, I haven't I just count but I have to feel oh and it also operates as a gravity pendulum down in the in the lower situations way and it also operates as an upright Pendulum In This Way. Wow, any pendulum.
It'll also later gyrate this way, it took 22 years to get all those instruments into one. That was a masterful thing that you did who sought by 1952 he achieved that goal. Wow. And the instrument over the years, there were probably well over 100,000 that Europe. Wow. Now when you say feel the numbers or feel the location of the water hard question, but what does it feel? Like, what is it your thing?
You decide that? Well, if the water is this in with this directional thing, if the water is moving, horizontally, this will move off in the direction of the flow. If it's And I can tell by the speed, cause we just pull off. How much were you? I'd be in there. Now, it also doesn't know that you're searching for sometimes. For instance, you search for oil. See I let, well, it, when I'm in Market, my wife sent me here to buy a bread, like, with milk, I'm going to get a good kick.
Oh whatever. So be sure and stay focused and not the high screen by herself. Basically the questioning is hello, you've got the questions phrase and you have stay focused. Okay, so you have to maintain and just ask the question and then let it go. There's a need to maintain the question pane it. And you have to know if you lost Focus that you did or how to get it back and focus, recaptured, otherwise, you're going to be wandering off of the Lamb. Yeah.
See you ask the action case the primary water nearest. But what I do, I set up code beforehand. What's all this? This is the S answer at this is beyond my physical control through my autonomic nervous system, the energy moves through and look through my autonomic nervous system you Julie way. But anyway then this is a no answer to the left if I get into an uncertain situation it'll vacillate this way. It will go clear over. So means Ian don't know, maybe possible.
Question unclear, try to have to examine that to find out what it is and we're dowsing. A lot of people make a mistake, they insist on an absolute yes or an absolute, no. And it's not readily forthcoming. So they'll some kind of subconscious mind goes in as well. We're going to have some fun here because it doesn't know right from wrong. It is not a reasoning part of us and they have subconscious mind says, well, he wants And he invents. I'm not here. He'll send up signal and give
this a stir. He intervenes that gave Mickey Mouse in the fantasy. Remember when he was getting the broom handles the carry the water. They're kind of a thing that happens and it gives you something to startle. You can have to lose yourself and Lose Yourself, I see. But anyway this code I work and I make you essentially your programming, it programming and I picture Direct your senior. Yes. And you know and the directions so come back to your question
about numbers. Yeah, I mean by number one so I am determined, I feel about it. But number two, it's a has its own color in its own and then in series. So G the number two. So that image. Yeah, I can feel them and safe water, and each one has to be distinct this thing. Now, I'll give you a Is your picture to work because our in picture with a yes answer. I picture somebody standing before me nodding their head.
Yes, and I check it. And if it doesn't work, I get two people standing in for, I'm pretty soon. If I need a whole Army of them out there also yes. Yes, yes. And for me, the pretty soon this single move on it. And it'll go. Yeah. It's got whatever this intuitive part of the mind. Right? Right. No, no, it's no or no, no, no. And then If it's on certain kind of like this c-could, you program a sensation. So I mean, it could be that. Let's say you were tribute yellow to number three.
Yes. But you've got 20 numbers, I mean. And what if you go back and it's like yellow comes up and you forget that it was three in it, you're thinking that a seven. I mean there's like wow, it's a sound program, it seems like there's also a large margin for error. I was wondering if you could just Program and to give you like a certain sensation, a glowing feeling or us sense of warmth in one wrist or something like that. But we're working with basically
with other than 09 numbers. Okay, so, say, okay, the first number could just be blocked. I see the not color that what they call it and then the other could be white. They all color and then nice and the next one could be three yellow for could be three red for you. Green and then yellow and then orange and blue through the Spectrum. Right? Okay. So there's a way of doing it in a way that they vibrate then we asked vibrating more and you get
this picture. So when you want the number, why it goes to the feeling level, what we call a noetic. Yes, intuitional feeling, so empty inside, not senses with sentient. The senses are setting up the program like a computer program, right? What But if the finder is the sentient feeling side, right? And you got to know which ones doing it, otherwise you can get confused of core and one can't do the work of the other. They have to work together. Of course.
Now what I mean, I know that you're well known and you've been doing this for some 35 years. What is the actual rate of success? A finding what it is you're looking for. This is a question that always comes up if the questions and My Success depend on our qualifier. This way and finding water. Underground water and better about the 95. 96 percent dry holes would be less than 5% or where I didn't get anything.
Oh, but if my client needs 50 gallons a minute, and I think there's 50 gallons a minute done. And we get 40 is not a failure. No, that means I got more work to do, right? Or you know what I mean? Yes, they're not becomes variable, so I run about 65 75. Percent sometimes a little higher depending on what's going on in that getting the volume of water. He needs with one hole within the scope of his economical ability. Sure, sure.
And then in another one, where I get the one where I get less water than he needs, and we may have to drill another well, or do there's a lot of important have. What happens if you drill a? Well, is it completion of the well? So I'm depending on the well driller, a lot to for Success, sure, because if he doesn't Drill a hole perfectly straight down. I've got this formation pattern formation down, are not laying it off on the well driller. But I need good competent.
Well, drilling. Sure, otherwise, it's all about what you see. The ratio goes down so that I work with good. Very good. Well, drillers, who do not understand the process that I work and they level up the rig very nicely and to put weight on the collar so that they're more likely to go straight down within a degree or measures. So it's very important. Even the setup rice, take the site. They don't move the steak because I'm patterning above ground. What's going on below ground?
Exactly hydrologist. He's patterning patterning. What he sees above ground and try to figure out what to do below ground? Exactly. Well it's just so interesting. What you're doing, it really is, it's wonderful work, and it's very inspiring as well. Thank you to people who have been in the non dowsing world. What I've always had a real feel for Dowsers anyway, so it's really a pleasure to sit. Talk with you and wonderful to be interview. Good good interviewer.
Thanks so much for being on with us, my pleasure. This is Mitchell, J Raven for Better World. Thanks so much for joining us and we will look forward to seeing you next week.