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Bear Heart, Indigenous Leader

Mar 28, 202229 min
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Mitchell interviews the beloved indigenous teacher and leader, Bear Heart.

In this interview, Bear Heart "bears his heart" and tells stories of his native people and of his contemporary relationships in the modern world.

This is a classic and one of the last interviews on video that we have of Bear Heart before he passed.

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Hello, and welcome back to a better world. This is your host Mitchell. J Rabin. And we're very glad that you're joining us again today. Today, we're going to have another very interesting show. We have invited back bearheart, who is the author of this book? The wind is my mother. He is a Muskogee Elder from the area of originally will not actually originally.

But now known as Oklahoma needless to say, Native American people's here, have a very different sense of time and history and long predate our visitation to this land, and he will be speaking with us again, continuing, the thread of conversation and laughter about his people. His Life and the work of what he's been involved in for so many years and counseling people helping people.

He's been on The Advisory board. For instance, at Johns Hopkins, University Medical School to help and support assist the development of schooling, medical school for native peoples and Alaskan peoples. And he's been involved in the world in so many ways as a minister as a Healer. Basically as a Shaman and Medicine, Man. Now, where he comes from, he doesn't speak of these things,

as such it is we in our ways. To identify our efforts to understand something of the character of this gentleman and people's vet. He comes from to get a sense of the breadth and depth of their ways. So distinct really from Western kinds of culture, so he'll be referring to this book. Which is a beautiful, beautiful

description of his life. And the way of his people and certainly very much worth your time reading and getting a sense of your immediately thrown into another way of looking, another way of being. And that's what happens actually just sitting in Bear Hearts presence. So thanks so much for joining us and stay tuned as you hear some of them words of a wise, one, who. Well, There are just fewer and fewer these days. So I cherish and welcome his presence on a better world

again. Thank you so much Lou. Okay, great to have you. Thank you now among your other many skills and talents. You are a bit of a linguist I understand. Or is that just a rumor? Oh, it could be half truth. That's before as We were taking a pause, very hard between shows. You spoke a language that I've really not heard before and I was hoping perhaps Cherokee that you would share with our audience because it's so interesting.

Lee Musical. And also, as you pointed out very similar in sound and tenor to Chinese, that from an anthropological point of view, not to mention a musical one. It's very interesting. I think for me, Certainly in the audience to hear something of the parallel between them. Mmm, would you share that with us? Yes, the word of greeting is o co or Co but in common usage you drop that first. Oh, that's seal. So imagine a man standing on one street corner at Cherokee

season. Other Cherokee. And and they greet each other one says she'll can ollie to he Joe. Hello, my friend! How are you? Oh, she Nina just fine and you host good. And if you are in a group of people and you're happy that they are, there you say, Grateful, or thank all of you for coming here. And you say it like this in Cherokee what are called? Nautical elegant you get to, huh? So and Cheyenne it would seem it be but shit, War mawkishness waste. It's a straight.

Yeah, like that more like monotone. Yes, but the Cherokee really moves. nobody line, if you wrote up for netiq, In Cherokee. You'd have to put little numbers above each syllable down. Oh yeah. Like how many notes to go up over here intervals? What? Yeah, that's incredible. Do you know Hawaiian. Also, I mean, you've spent time in Hawaii and I know a lot of Hawaiians first half scissors. My first trip, I heard the word grass skirts. It didn't work because they're also very fast.

So here was this man on the flight to Hawaii. And there was a Hawaiian flight attendant, he wanted to impress her. So he asked someone How you say thank you in Hawaiian. He wanted to tell her that as she s he got off the Playa so they finally landed to say a thank you. Is Mahalo, right? Mahalo So he had that going on and it's mine. So the finally came time for him to exit and as he was passing by, he said my halo instead of Mahalo and that's fresh.

Your time in Hawaii was very interesting. Lee spent, the little, I know of it and among other Our activities. You were initiated into the ancient wisdom teaching of the hoonah. Yes, by the keepers of the secrets. Yes. Could you tell us a little bit about that initiation? Because stories of this sort bearheart are so rare and far between in our culture.

And so few people really know of the kind of tenor of this kind of experience would be very rich for us to hear a little just a little bit back Brown. Good of these people. There are thought to have lived in the Sahara area when it was fertile. and then when it began to dry up, Then they moved out and one group went to Southern China, others went to call themselves birbee birbee, and they stated in Egypt area. And with their tremendous power cutting, Granite blocks.

Transporting and fitting them together so perfectly. After many, many years you can't even slider piece of paper between them. Even now, these are the ones that are keepers of the secret. Hmm. So those are the same people. Yes, the ancient Egyptians, who seated then, Southern China and Polynesia, and yeah. Colony and then over eventually to Hawaii Hawaii. And now, since we've gone back that far, would you say though?

I was my understanding that, the peoples who went to Hawaii, we're really originally the mauryan. Yes. Yeah, I think ever there were, where was my understanding that the Egyptians in general? Yes. Tended to be affected more by the Atlantean civilization. I have, could you comment to? I have studied a lot of things other than Theology and in seminaries, I've no idea study on my own there was a master teacher that it was involved in teaching Moses and even Abraham

from way back. And never written down all oral tradition and there's a book out called cobalamin. That touches on some of those Powerful Secrets but it's not the whole thing and there's certain principles seven principles like as it is above. So it is below. That's one things like that. And you begin to organize your own thoughts accordingly if you have studied some of these things. Yes yes.

So you're saying that a lot of this is held in the Of the Kabbalah. Yes, Kabbalah and then you relate this to our Vision Quest. I've also read the Jewish Mystics and they can meditate go out and meditate. So intense, they levitated and we can do almost the same thing in our, in our Vision Quest. Without food and water were fasting, meditating. And there are many things we can do with that. Uh-huh. And if I send some people out to Vision Quest, I tuned in and I

can sometimes visit. And see if they needed extra help of some kind or I can feel someone in need so much that I have my pipe available and and smoke it so that it will surround them and provide the help that they are needing. And then they have the courage and stamina to keep going, things like that. And all of this seems A comment. I in none of these things are competitive and one better than the other. It's all parallel sure.

Sure. And we work together and I don't mix up my teachings and get it all jumbled up, right? Right. I have to stay with one. Yes, it's mostly the teachings that I got from own tribe. Hmm, to Elder's Russo. But I have used other things, especially in Long Distance healing. And working with a little young girl. Now whose legs cannot be straightened out has no muscle mass and she she and her family came and stayed two weeks went

back. She was able to turn on her own and now she was in the hospital after she went back. She's out now. No sign of it. They call him Emmanuel. Alderson. And We kept in contact and send some medicine and things like that. And And the fact that she can raise her arm up like this. Which he hasn't done in years to them. It's a big step forward may not see much to other people and I think there's a teaching and that too if you don't use it you lose it like your brain exactly

or any of your limbs. Now that brings us back to what I asked you about the initiation. Yeah, about the use of the Mind. Mine by the Kahuna. Yes. Would you mind sharing the story of that with us? We have three selves as Compared to oneself in modern psychology, that three cells is the lower mind. That equates with the unconscious or the subconscious and the middle mind middle self.

has to do with the conscious awareness as we do now, reason and make decisions and all that and then to get into a certain line of discipline that requires to help from above. The higher mind. Is about 5 feet. No closure, it could be more above our heads, but lower can't get to the higher. I mean, the middle can get to the higher. It's got to go through the lure of mine and the law of mine makes that possible by traveling along, what is known as the Arca cord.

And something that can prevent that. Is that you must not have sinned? But their interpretation of sin is not like sin in the Bible that you might read about their interpretation. If you purposely harmed, someone Then that's in you've got to resolve that then it opens the way for you.

So you go there and as it's there then you do breathing exercises and that breathing is a vital force that surrounds and within and it's very without it. We can't live and that's what we're putting in. And then Conscious is converting it into a great vital force, that is sent up. Through your body, through the right brain and then takes the silver cord on into the higher mind as our gift.

It's a people used to call it sacrifice, but we like to call it a love, offering up to the higher mind and then direct and ask. And then my initiation. They put the stone here. And said, we don't want you to crush that stone. With just your mind and that's what they meant. Yeah. So on my first try I was able to crush the first dome Accepted by the higher mind. They were not the ones to decide my acceptance. Now, I became One with them.

That's the one many other things that or the who know are known for their strictness and ol Mastery. Really. Yeah. Mastery of the of the elemental world. Yeah. Like like very few even their philosophy parallels. A lot of my my own teachings as well as some some I have learned. Uh-huh. And All right, one that everybody has in common. The majority of people. They want to be happy. Then we say well, why aren't you happy? You can have fun, but that's not

happiness. Short-lived from here and there, happiness is sustaining. There's a sense of happiness. Even when you're grieving. Mmm, that's a big one. You have something within you, you can rely upon when you reach out and there's no hand to hold it with you. At those times, you can reach within yourself and And that inner voice says, I was here all the time. I'm still here with you. Would you say bearheart that? That is this idea of being happy to be alive and just to be

alive? Brings us all different experiences from sadness and grieving to ecstasy and joy. But there is like a fundamental just happiness to be alive to be able to experience whatever it is that the Supreme Being wants us to experience. Yes, let me tell you a story about you Mike. I think it's in that book, this bank. I think, I included that.

Yes, I was in a little coffee shop in a small town called Okemah Oklahoma. And this man is that tube on son, octave, come here and I went over there and said Sit there. How many languages do you speak by the way? Well, 13 more than you can count. Okay. So today, and maybe little bit more on track and get by in any way. This man says, see that old man sitting over there, so, yeah, He doesn't know our ways. He has nothing to pass on to anyone.

He and I are the same age. I grew up with him. I know that's why. I know, he doesn't know any of our ways and practice them. Why I'm telling you this. I don't want you just to grow up and be old. I want you to be able to share something. Experiences of life to someone that can bend be benefited. That's what he told me and happiness to be alive.

Dear life or something. Yeah, and when you cry, if nothing more than cleansing your eyes so that you can see the beauty of life, then go ahead and shed tears, right? Exactly. There's a purpose behind everything. Yes. Is there not? Yeah. As you look forward from the life you've LED seeing the changes that you've witnessed over your mirror 83 years, what is it that strikes you most in reviewing everything? What I mean you've seen us go from.

I mean in your own life from living a Actively simple life. I gather meaning connected to the Earth, and watching the way. Your people went from that life into this modern time. What stands out most that you would comment on? I know it's a hard question. Well, yes, in a way it is you can give a few answers. It's a it's a It's a way of looking. Of how to use. What you have? Acquired and accumulated and we all knowledge. Okay and how are you going to

use that? How you how will you apply that? and, and then, first it's like there's the development of technology for wait, we have Heroes and there's a lot of heroism been lauded It's not necessarily what they did, but who they were in life that did the thing that's more important. Than the act itself. and the Final Act, and They gave 29 code talkers among the navajos. Congressional Medal of Honor. And that code has never been broken even now.

And it helped turn the tide in our favor during World War Two is that? So and could you 11 was given posthumously? Posthumous Liana? Then other another one. A family came to stand for him and to receive it for him. Couldn't make it but the others

were there to receive the medal. the most interesting part there were more than 29 but they became the nucleus of the code talkers so that's that the others got sober stars and others but 29 They fought under our flag wore the uniform of this country even when the state of New Mexico and Arizona from where they came, did not allow them to vote.

And yet they fought the volunteered because they live on the land that they're loved the connection that you talked about, that's how far we go. When we say connected we just not talking yeah we're leaving it and and because of that threat of this land there wanted to protect the course, their loved ones or living on it. Also, you know, we're up to that point where I want to ask you if you would to share a prayer from your native teaching, all right, and after that last story of

yours I think it's so much apropos. All right. I will think in my language but I will speak it in English. Oh, okay. Unless you want me to do it in my life? Wouldn't mind. All right. That's okay. Okay. Both K or fungi hallway. Legged Scott. Yamaraja Neta Neta. He or she promised kimitachi e gonna make it. Hi, Omen in constabies it. If he kills over your chin and hide love of the Abaya hannya tou, your mouth Ganesh day, evil mr. Sikandar, a book on Urantia movie. See. Hope my dog.

I think many can even gather some of the meaning of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I'll ask you to translate Well, it's your blessings. We have seen much sadness, Many Tears, Dry our tears. So all of us can live together as one people with better days ahead in this better world and a better world. All right. Thank you for including us their hearts. Thank you so much. All right so deeply Okay, I'm grateful. Okay. All right, I've been a blessing to a better world, okay?

And in the true and larger sense, all right, thanks so much for being with us and when you come back to New York, we'll have you won again, okay? All right. Mitchell J Raven for a better world. God to continue this beauty and Powerful conversation. You can go into this book and I continue Jew, nourish yourself with the wisdom and wondrousness of our dear friend bearheart. This is Mitchell. J Raven for a better world.

Thanks so much for joining us and we look forward to seeing you all next week.

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