¶ From Linguistics to Crypto and AI Infrastructure
It's easier to get a doctor's appointment than to get an electrician appointment, you know, nowadays. So the data centers were uh big buildings that used a little bit of power. Right now the data centers are small buildings that use a lot of power. So I think in the next two to three, five years we're gonna start finally seeing serious adoption of AI and the whole world basically
changing the way they work, the way they study, the way they leave. I mean if you have a phone, you are a AI data center user.
Yeah, we have uh interesting talk today about um basically about data centers, which is the base level of all I I IVUs. So we talked to Sergei Gerasimovich and he is really good at ex at ex explaining this topic. I was afraid to drown because um yeah it's tech and I'm an economist.
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So I can talk a lot about Sergi, but the best is he tells you something about himself. But first of all, Sergi, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you very much for having me. It's a it's an honor uh to be uh to be uh talking to you and uh looking forward to this uh episode.
Yeah, great. So actually you started With crypto, but then you went to AI. What what's so special? What did interest you about AI or where did you think I mean y from from background you're a linguist, so it's uh totally far far away from what you do. But how did you come there?
What's the right thing?
be a reason to go to in this direction.
Yeah, it's uh it's a very good question. I think uh speaking of the linguistics, so I did attend to the university in Kiev in Ukraine for uh foreign languages. I uh studied English and French, and I think that experience gave me an opportunity to explore the world and uh think about uh my further boundaries. But I always wanted to be an entrepreneur in my life. And uh my first company that I started was actually a linguistic consulting services company where we worked with multiple companies.
uh to do translation and localization of their products. So we work with engineering firms, we work with manufacturing companies and energy companies. And when we started working with energy companies, I got very excited about energy and technology in the energy. That's something kind of drove me much. And that that that was became becoming my um kind of driver, but I didn't know how I'm gonna get myself into it.
So crypto uh came in in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and I found myself on the ground level of crypto uh mining. Where we built data centers for crypto miners, and we have been a data center operator. So I have had Kinda my dream come true where I wasn't able to build energy projects which I had no idea about them anything. Uh but at the same time we were part of a technological project.
So now there's a big shift into AI data center world and AI requires a lot of energy and power to keep those machines running and keep that intelligence producing. And it is very similar type of business that crypto mining is. It's very similar from perspective of running a data center, owning power infrastructure, and doing operation inside that box tech.
So but I I still think about okay, you as uh more like it's it's social science or something, and then you say, Okay, we built a data center.
¶ Why Data Centers Became the Center of the AI Boom
How how do you start with such a thing?
Yeah, well it it started by an accident, to be honest. Uh being a an interpreter of foreign languages allows you to be a s uh an expert in everything because you work with different industries. So you have to study everything, uh right? And it's like being a lawyer. Uh you have to be able to apply law to different industries and your your mind is consistently spent.
Uh I got into cryptocurrency mining by accident, uh, completely. Uh first of all, I moved to America when I was twenty and uh I came here for for American Dream. The goal was to to start a business and uh That's how we started the first translation localization agency. Uh but then I uh didn't see that project being as a success and I moved to try to do other things and uh we were in trade business and import and export.
And uh we basically started selling GPUs, which are very popular nowadays, graphic processing units, computers, uh to different customers. And that's how I learned about the the compute in general. For me it didn't really matter what to sell and what to deliver, as long as there was a market for it. And I quickly saw there is a huge market for graphic processing units for computers in twenty sixteen, end of twenty sixteen, early twenty seventeen.
And that's how I learned that this is used for cryptocurrency mining, which uh w at that time was very wild thing. Uh and uh it came really became a really quick business to be honest. So started being buying and selling compute And then the customers who bought all those GPUs, so they didn't know how to put those GPUs to work in the garages.
So they basically started calling me back and saying telling me, take them back and just put them somewhere else. So we we found ourselves technically having free customers. And we said, Okay, I'm I'm gonna try to do it. I mean, research, finding the way how to do it, first at least a bigger data center. And then eventually I started building modular data centers.
Modular data center is a con c it's basically a container with a c electrical infrastructure inside of it. And I started bringing the containers with that electrical infrastructure to the sources of power uh so we can run the computers close to where the energy is being produced versus where the energy is being um uh being delivered.
And that's how we got into it. And then, you know, long story short, ten years later, I'm in this business, uh had a lot of bruises and a lot of cuts and but I'm still here.
And now it's AI. I mean, this is uh uh crypto winter is uh we still have a kind of crypto winter, but then comes AI and you have data centers and it's like Okay. There I I have a friend who's an engineer. He now works in Portugal and it's bad because he's away from the family, but he says
They they they he tried to to say no to them, but they offered in immense amounts of money and he had to take the job because data centers is just now. So it was actually the stroke of genius to go in this time in in data centers basically.
I do believe though I jumped into this a little bit late. And the problem to that is uh resilience. I'm a very resilient guy and unfortunately every time there was a crypto winter I was able to survive.
¶ What Neoclouds Actually Do
And uh every time you survive it's like, oh, I can do it, I can handle it. Um mostly people don't survive when the market downturn happens and they pivot somewhere else. And because I did survive, I didn't pivot on time. But I think right now we're gonna escalate escalate the the pivot pretty fast.
I mean it looks good, the perspectives. What would you I mean? If if you see at the data there there's so much demand for for data centers. Um is it that you that you build for for the big firms or the small firms? Like I'm I'm or like a mid sized firm. I want to have my own AI infrastructure. Is this your clientele where Who does actually go to you and and say, build me a data center?
It's a very good question and I I think I'll give a little bit of history a little bit, a short Uh a couple years ago the data centers were uh big buildings that used a little bit of power. Right now the data centers are small buildings that use a lot of power. And that's the kind of the the change that happened. So the companies were first you uh who use data centers were their organizations who were like, you know, compute providers.
uh uh that would be like a hosting service, something where your website is on, um, and they use not a lot of power. Right now it's mostly big hyperscaler companies like Meta and Google or Microsoft and their proxy. I call their proxies the organizations who they sign big contracts with. For example, like Corviv, Nebus, all the big company names that you heard, they're still multi billion dollar business, but I think
They are able to be in business because of hyperscale companies. Well now there is a new a new breed of cushion. Those are neo clouds, which are a little bit smaller than near than Nevus and Korviv and guys like those, but they are very good and they're fast off on on pivoting to this business and moving fast in this. We we want to work with all of them. However, the best type of a customer would be a customer that a mid size neo cloud. Neo cloud is a is AI uh AI infrastructure operator.
And that would be the group that would come to us and say, We need something small to mid size data center. Would you be able to put this together? Uh and we usually work with uh sizes in megawatts. Megawatts measure energy. And usually we work with something from ten to thirty megawatts of capacity. That's our sweet spot. Um the hyperscale customers they want like big gigawatt campuses. That's not something we can ha get get it done today.
¶ Power, Land, and the Base Layer of AI
So to all the people um on on YouTube that think this guy's not asking the right question here. Uh I am an economist. I don't know much about this, so I use the chance to ask Sergei questions uh that you people might think. Oh no, those questions, no. But uh let's start with the term neo clouds. What do they actually do?
Uh uh to be honest, I don't think anyone knows.
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Uh but uh there there is a perception. Neo clouds so there are different stacks of uh there are different stacks in the compute world. So the first stack would be land and power. That's basically the ground up. Something we can understand. Land, power, interconnected electricity. The next stack would be the box. We call it a big box. That's a building. That's where the compute gonna be get hooked.
The next step stack, the next layer, this is when we get into the a little bit more technical world. We install the computers, those GPUs, the graphic processing units that I mentioned before about. Well they are just sitting there and you plug them in into electricity, that doesn't mean that they produce intelligence, right?
Intelligence, that's a com that's something we use with you at ChatGPT, Gemini. Uh we would call it an a new artificial intelligence. It's a chat bot that we can talk to, we can ask to do some Well, so there's intelligence being produced by AI. Those AI labs they hired very smart PhD level uh PhD level uh scientists who create those neuro neural networks and help that those uh those AI agents to train. Well so what is in between? Between the compute
and the AI AI uh uh AI uh lab. That's where the Neo Cloud steps in. Neo cloud is basically helping the brain to run. They manage the technical stack of the GPUs. They manage how the computers work with each other, how they talk to each other. basically they want to be they they do the work so that intelligence can be produced and can be trained. Because imagine we just started a podcast with you, your camera stopped work.
What did you do? You've got fixing it. Well, that's what's NeoCloud's job gonna be. If you're gonna have a computer working and then it just stops working, someone has to fix it. It's still a hard So that that will be a neo cloud's job. So it's a the cloud provider business.
Okay, then this is the thing. Then you get went into the stack So um basically you you said you go where the energy is with your boxes and the boxes consume a lot of energy. So you're more like in the base level, you you make things possible. And um energy is and I I read in the briefing on you energy is the most important thing by now. And you have to find the energy, the the spaces where you can put your box.
Correct. That's that's a pretty fair uh s uh summary. We are on the ground level. We are the group of people who will find the power.
¶ Finding Locations and Stranded Energy
uh who find the land, interconnect power, put the electrical infrastructure on top of it, and that's how we're gonna get there. Where the boxes can come in and the compute can come in and the neo cloud can come in and then and eventually we can we can consume that. that intelligence through our JGPT and through our phone.
Oh yeah, this is really like yeah, the the the base of the pyramid, yeah. And uh
is the base of the pyramid. Yeah. I w I would say This is the the the base that is pretty hard to build just because now you go into electrical engineering world. And that world doesn't usually move that fast as technology world moves. So that's where the bottlenecks coming in with there's all this compute demand and AI demand. We hear big stories about big gigawatt facilities, megawatt facilities all over the world, but in reality not all of them are actually getting done.
And we haven't even seen the result of the spending from the big players in the recent two years. I think we're gonna start seeing the results of data centers and compute coming online only in the next two.
I remember I read a LinkedIn post on you that uh if this um software engineers from the AI companies talk the the electrical engineers from the construction companies, they speak a totally different language and what they mean, they say the the same thing, but they mean so different things that there's like really a communication problem and things don't work, yeah.
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I think you're referring to the point where I got a little bit frustrating uh because we talk to neo clouds providers and they say, Hey, we need power And we need power, but what they mean they need actual physical data center with all cooling electrical infrastructure. and the team ready to can say compute in my world when you need power you just you just have a cable running you know that's the one I
Thank you.
So normal people would think that, but uh the people from AI world they would think that's gonna be have to be a traditional data.
And and you said also as a translator you're in a good position there because and I I do know I'm not a translator from from build from job but I can translate between the technical and the the business people. And I think it's an important thing that you have people who can handle both worlds because there there has to be a connection and you are the connector in this case also. This is your job, no?
It is and the case. I have to be uh a player politician as well because I have to kind of make everyone happy.
Yeah.
Which is probably not that easy. Talking to you happy because this is one of the things people demonstrating against data centers and whatever. Um, this is a typical problem I think. You want to build a data center, um but you don't build that huge ones, you build more like Let's say normal sized ones, is this still a problem? Do you find locations? It's easy to find location or not.
Oh it's a very good question. I wouldn't say uh uh it's it's easy. I think I think I would say it's possible. I think it's possible. Our the whole business the the that we we run is focusing on uh stranded energy, on stranded assets of power which are uh interconnected in the areas where There's no other usage. For example, let's imagine there's somewhere in Kansas
There should have been a manufacturing plant. An economic development department invested money in electrical infrastructure, but the manufacturing plant didn't come in. Well, if it didn't, now the electrical infrastructure sits there. we would be the company that would go and find that allocation with a pocket of power and we will develop a data center in that area. So that's what we focus on. I would tell you It's not that it's an easy but it is straightforward. Is good old lag work.
Or you have to make calls, you have to tell people that you are working on it, you have to tell people that this is what you're gonna bring into the facility. It's just a good old leg. We are we are seeing it's harder than it was, let's say, two years ago, but it's still possible.
I ja so the was my next question. Is this like depending on countries? So US ist already getting tighter. Um do you see other countries? And how how how do you see the do you know about situations like around the corner Mexico or something or Canada or so? How the situation is there?
Yeah. It's a very good question. I think so the situation uh in the United States, I don't I wouldn't call it s uh it getting that much diet. I think what we have here is misperception how much data center demand is really is.
¶ Bottlenecks: Communities, Capital, and Electricians
Well we can hear the demand is very high, but the demand is pretty d inflated. American energy infrastructure is very strong. Uh the country is very rich in energy resources, uh, and there are regions where there is so much extra power. For example, West Texas. K West Kansas, that's it's called and it's called uh wind corridor of the United States. That's where there are a lot of wind wind power plants to sit.
And there is not a lot of usage of power in that area. That's where we are focused on because we can get power from those areas where the wind is blowing, but power is not In terms of speaking of other countries, I think other countries realize that AI data centers and AI compute, that's a basically new arms rate.
There was a period of time where people were focused on energy resources. There was period of pi time where people were focused on scientists. And there are different periods of time where people see one certain industry as a leverage on a national And I think where we are today is that compute is being se seen as a as a big leverage in the world and the c the countries making this as their national security priority.
So in here in the United States this has been dire definitely a national security priority. That's why most of the data centers are built here. What I could see that other countries are starting to wake up to this. as you mentioned, Canada and Mexico are starting working on this. projects. Canada has just had uh their servering uh sponsored AI data center recently. That means the country is focused on giving good regulation for I data centers to go online.
Europe is catching up as well. Uh Europe uh has uh areas where there is a lot of energy and the data centers are being built as well. I think so to my knowledge, France is doing a lot in it. Uh the the Nordic countries are doing a lot in data centers. I personally know the companies that have done a lot in Nordic countries, uh, especially Norway, and I think this has become a big important national security match.
It's like sec l i it it's it's something that people are gonna think about as a you know, as a health care, as a as a social services, and then they're gonna take a look at this sector as a compute of the country, where are we standing?
Yeah, this is I mean it's interesting to see that yeah the US was was really probably China also, we don't know yet.
Absolutely.
Yeah, they probably... Yeah, yeah. So this is really a thing. Uh yeah, but you also mentioned the the lack of scientists. So it finding data center locations, having the right people to to build this uh uh data center. Um having the components. I mean it's a really complex p uh part of
It it doesn't sound complex, but you have a lack of everything basically. You have to search for everything. Where do you think is the bottleneck at the moment? What's the most complicated part of your job if you want to build a data center?
Very good question. I think I can't name only single one. I think there are a few ones. I think first one is a pushback from community. Believe it or not, that would be one, big one. That's on initial stage. You have to explain to community that AI data center is not something that's gonna
um you know, cause cancer. It's not something they're gonna have problems for environment. You have to do that pretty uh well. Uh and that's usually taking time. So that's a bottleneck number one, right? At the first Second level is capital. You have the kid the data center uh build outs are very expensive. They require lots and lots of capital.
And that capital is this is not a venture capital. This capital is infrastructure capital. It what it means is that this capital requires guaranteed offtake. It requires uh guaranteed contracts. So and that's where you basically start feeling the reality of this market. And you start risk feeling uh really who is who.
¶ Training vs Inference Data Centers
Because if you can't sign a five to ten year contract with the customer, you probably can't build a data center. And the third big battle, bottleneck, would be people. People to get this done. And I mean people sp especially with the trade skills and electricians and engineers are huge bottles. Just massive bottles.
Imagine if you're building a hundred megawatt data center, how much electrical work do you need? Someone has to pull the wire. Robots are not doing it. Someone has to connect it to the right phase. Someone has to bring in that breaker and electrical panel. Well, if the electrical panel has been installed, it's been built somewhere. So it has to be built somewhere by engineers and by elect electricians. So those are three major bottlenecks. Um they are manageable, uh but I do not know till which
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know the the peop the the electricians or electrical engineers. There was never a a flood of those people, no? They were This is always a problem to get enough of those. And now there's additional demand. Doesn't make things easier, I guess. Yeah. Um Hard. So people out there, if you're elected an engineer engineer and you don't know what to do, I think building data centers that should be something.
You should look into a hundred percent. It's this is the very hot job right now. It's easier It's easier to get a doctor's appointment than to getting an electrician appointment, you know, nowadays. All it a little electricians are sold out for weeks ahead. Yeah. But that's like if I'm talking about residential. But on a commercial level, I mean those jobs are very long jobs. When they come in and they they they get their project, they work there for months and maybe sometimes even
Yeah. No, this is uh interesting to see. Yeah, and I have to look in my network if if people are underemployed. I know I know an electrical engineer who doesn't work as one forever not. Now maybe he should should change the job.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And and especially with the today's uh AI AI skills, uh those people who have an engineering backgrounds can just boost their their level of productivity to to a crazy extent.
Yeah. I mean it it it it's different and even if you like n have outdated information, you did that for f I don't know, times is is some time ago that you did anything but uh y AI for learning or something is everything that that helps you. Um but a question I had on my mind is actually because you say you can go to to areas where is the energy. Is it important that the data center is near to the
of the the the place where it's used. Like you have I mean We d don't talk about the meters of the world, but in general, um there there has to be uh uh optical fiber cable from there to the firm and is distance does it matter?
It does. It's a very good question. There are two types of date AI data centers that exist out there. One is a training cluster that's a campus style data center, which is Located somewhere far, remotely, where there is a lot of power, lots of land. That's where the job is happening. That's where your mind is being trained. Then you need to interconnect all of that mind to smaller AI data centers that are called inference data. inference or sometimes they also refer to as edge data.
At the edge of the city, at the edge of the town, at the edge of of location where it's being consumed. The data is being consumed. So that mind that was trained is transferred basically to the smaller clusters, and that's where we start using our phone and asking ChPT the things immediately and we receive the answer pretty fast.
¶ GPUs, Chips, and Building for the Customer
So those data centers have to be located. closer to r m metropolitan areas, any any areas where there's population. Uh that's where they wanna be. That's where the whole business happening in in perspective of users. Because for AI data center or for Chet GPT, what it matters is how many people are using it. So basically more people are using it in the area where more people leave. That's that's So inference is very important part of the business.
And edge data centers is just a new a new huge industry, meaning the data centers will be coming up more to a uh uh metropolitan areas, but they will still gonna be you know, on the edge outside of the cities.
Mm-hmm. Ah yeah, interesting. So um if you have those two parts and there's those uh people like Ilomast now wanting to s uh to shoot data set as standard in space That would be like the the ones that calculate all the stuff, the inference ones, and they would transfer the stuff to the edge centers.
I d I don't believe the idea of some sending something into the space is even viable. Um, I mean Elon Musk and I mean is a big genius of his time and uh he has done a lot of good stuff. But at the end of the day, even he has the limit.
Ha ha.
Physics apply to him as well. Yeah, that's interesting, no? Because um I think okay, but it's like you say, it's legwork, you get those locations, you can do You don't need to go to space to do those things. You can do them uh even underground, I don't in in Germany the Telekom they they made a center in in some there was some underground location or whatever. They I think there's enough locations, not necessarily you go to space. It's
You don't need you don't need to go to space for this. Uh it's very expensive, it's just not feasible. Uh yeah, I think uh from Elon's perspective, he's he has to tell a big story. Yeah, uh to have his stocks of his company go up so he can make more projects.
Uh, I mean, we all have uh good stories. Uh some people have been able to deliver those, like Elon has been able to deliver the this the the rockets that come back to the land. But AI data centers in the space that very, very far from today and it just doesn't make any any it can
That's nice science fiction. I'm a fan of science fiction, so I love the idea, but yeah, let's see in ten years maybe when when we are all going regularly into space, then it's something maybe. But a question to to the data centers itself. Um everybody talks about those I don't know what they cost now. Two hundred thousand dollars those uh CPUs from NVIDIA uh GPUs from Nvidia. Um do you need to use those or
which classes of do you need to d only have the top line or the what do you need? Or or the the the Google chips or whatever or whatever well
It's a very good question. And we have seen uh a big competition uh that's coming up uh to compete with NVIDIA, Google Chips, Amazon Web Services chips, Qualcomm, AMD. And you think the answer is Um, it depends on what you do you use it for, right? Like it's like it's like it's like comparing it with the car. I mean, do you need Porsche to drive to work every day? Probably not. Uh 9-11, right? Do you do you need to uh can you drive Tesla model three to work every day? Probably yes.
Would you take um, you know, Chevy Eldorado to a track to race it? Probably not. But you would definitely would love to take Porsche 9-11. So I think it's the same in the chips world. to certain models, uh models, long large language models. You would use certain chips for training, certain for inference, but every chip has its place uh as as we are seeing it today.
So so basically it's like you have a client and they have a job to do and you then configure a data center with the chips that fit the job.
Exactly.
Okay. That's also interesting from the from the from how it works. You don't just build a data center and then search for a client, but you have a client and build a data center.
Oh, that's a very good question. I think uh it's a very good question. And the answer to that is you get a decline first to build a data center. That's the right way to do it. However, there are a lot of instances where there are speculative bats and companies are building your data centers before the clients come in. Those vets have been successful. Uh they i i i it's that type of uh saying, build it and they will come.
Uh however, uh in I in my world where I said I see this as a very risky endeavor. And first of all, it's it's it's ha who gonna finance it. So we prefer to find the customer first to meet the demands uh of their compute in order to build a data center to the right uh right uh choice.
Yeah, okay. Now this is uh from from the business perspective quite interesting. And yeah, you can I mean they are lucky now that they get clients and I don't know, this is this is a bet, but every bet is risky and every uh you have to have to know what to do. Yeah, makes sense, huh?
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. AI data center world and AI in general is still wild west. Uh we have had this technology as a mainstream for probably like two years.
¶ Using AI for Contracts, Finance, and Leadership
Um and we still haven't seen the results and implications of this technology. But what I see that this is still the fastest adaptive curve of technology we've ever had. So I think in the next two to three, five years we're gonna start finally seeing serious adoption of AI and the whole world basically Changing the way they work, the way they study, the way they leave, the way they travel, the way they do everything, the way they shop.
And that means they need data centers, yeah. Definitely, yeah.
And by the way, I just wanna add, I know there's a lot of pushback from AI data centers, but data centers have been around as long as they Like it it it's the data centers are here, they've been here, they exist, they didn't go anywhere, they didn't come up up uh yesterday. Uh it's just we have a huge PR around AI data centers right.
And that would makes makes people scary. People are worried about that they're gonna be left behind. They're worried about not understanding what those AI data centers are. But in reality is I mean if you have a phone, you are a AI data center user.
Yeah. I just remember this thing where Erik Schmidt and others they talked uh in front of students now and uh I think the hard f on the half hour podcast they said as they booed the students they should have asked themselves Did you use AI to make to to complete your your uh your your your bachelor or whatever? So if yes you shouldn't woo the the guy, yeah, because you're already using it. Yeah. So we we are there, yeah, definitely, yeah.
Well that's a good point. And I I know what you're referring to. Uh yeah, exactly. I mean look. It's I've I've had an opportunity to present to a local uh rural community in the United States about data centers and I've asked question of the audience where it was around one hundred twenty people, most of those people were over six And I asked'em, is anyone used uh has anyone used the data center excuse me AI in the last uh in the last uh uh week? And around seventy percent raised their hand.
And that's a huge result. And I told them well if you guys Didn't raise your hand, most likely used AI anyway because it's everywhere. It's how you now you use the calls, if you use the phone, if you use the car. This is where the AI it's just to a certain extent.
No, this is uh in the base uh base technology and uh people will use it, no? Um To come to to a totally different thing about usage, th this would be y your own usage. What would you say? This is I didn't warn you about this question. What was your wow moment the last let's say week? Or months where you used AI and we you were totally like, wow, this is possible? What would it be?
Yeah, I think I think uh that's a very good question. Um well I think w I'm not I'm past the the uh I'm past the phase where I'm wow. I think but before because now I'm just I if n my shock is I get used to it, right? Like we it's becoming so intuitive. But I think the first uh the first like wow moment was uh when you need to do an analysis of a contract.
Uh when you need to you send a contract and you say, hey, can you read this contract? What does it even mean? That was like the wow one because you there's like twenty pages of illegal language, right? Big big wow moment uh has been with me when it's uh analyzing financial models or creates an Excel spreadsheet of financial model. That's the big one. I um I didn't have uh uh uh an educational background to do financial modeling.
Um and I really, really kinda wanted to learn more about how to project the future, how to project the business. And you just work with AI, you work with Ch GPT or Claude asking to build the model. And it's crazy how it builds the model. Because before I I had people who work for me, uh or still have some people who work for me in from finance world. It takes them weeks sometimes to get the model done.
Uh, and they just you know, it's a very tedious work. Here this this thing just does it very fast. So it allows you to move forward with your decision really faster.
Ah, this is an interesting question about leadership. Um, AI and decisions. You as the CEO, you have to work with a lot of people, decisions. What do you say? How's the impact? of AI on your leadership, on your role as a as a leader of a firm.
It's a very good question. I will confess I do use some uh su uh AI for cool for uh uh helping me with answering the questions um that I have Hesitation or not sure about it?
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And the way I ask it, not just uh straightforward should I do it yes or no? I would I would more ask like, uh give me the breakdown of space. What are you thinking? So it gives you a little bit of uh um uh bigger picture that you can take a look at. And I have been using it pretty uh pretty heavily in that in that world, especially when it comes to to financial decisions.
uh like you know uh should we invest this amount of dollars in this uh what is it gonna look like uh give me a scenario for this and then of course the um the the the more the longer thinking uh task. uh basically analyze the industry, what are your thoughts on the industry? You would use this as a as a a research uh as research uh analyst.
And that's very, very helpful. That helps you to save time. It wouldn't do a decision for you. I'm not asking it to do a decision for me, but it would help me to save time uh on doing the research.
Yeah. Oh yeah, that sounds sounds really, really useful. It's like the assistant you have in your in your pocket, basically. And you can
And now you can even talk to it. I can't hear you.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, now now I'm back. Now I'm back. This is uh I had to to to change the the the plugs. I have this great framework computer. This means this is like this fair phone computer, I can exchange all parts. They don't they don't work perfectly together. It's just uh it's it's it's a great idea and uh yeah, not everything Yeah, this is the thing. Yeah. Oh this is a perfect segue into the last game.
question the Terminator matrix question. Um can they take over? I I now I have the picture of the Terminator coming and employed and suddenly he hear the uh internally power battery low. Battery low on the terminator stands there and battery low
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Yeah, it's a big chive. But what do you think? Uh is there danger for is dangerous from in
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and uh what can happen.
It's a very good question. I I think uh AI is a tool for now, at least where we are today, and it's a tool it still enables the humans to do uh whatever they decide to use AI for. Um, I don't think we're in the area where the consciousness uh of AI uh is thinking about being threatened by humans. And in no scenario I believe that we're gonna have something like Terminator, uh Terminator uh scenario or Matrix scenario. Uh one of the reasons for that is because
Um The I revolution doesn't happen pretty fast. It's still gonna take a very long So it's still gonna take a lot of time. And there is regulations. Uh there is there are people who who gonna slow it down if it's if it's gonna go out of control. Uh, but then it's gonna they either gonna accelerate it when they need it. What I do think there is a risk is implementing AI too much in a military technology without an oversight.
Uh because it's just can make it can start making decisions that are reversible and they can put human lives at risk. But I don't think there is a situation where at least with the next fifty to hundred years, where the AI becomes uh metrics level threat to humanity.
Wow, that's that's actually uh the the most optimistic uh uh answer to the question I had because this is simply yeah, it might happen but in fifty to hundred years and it is so slow that we humans can position ourselves to this and regulate and
We've had You know, the the the humanity I mean is still the good is always still is still prevails, right? At the end of the day. And humanity has been adjusting. We're adjusting. We as a as a uh I don't know as a the human species been adjusting to the different periods of time. We've made mistakes as a whole, uh r uh human race.
Uh but then we fix those mistakes, then we make the mistakes again, then we fix them. So it's just up and ups and downs, you know, it's ups and downs. And I don't think we are a threat to AI, we are enablers of AI. Uh and um I think the science fiction of Terminators and how the humanoids walking and trying to kill the humans.
It's just unlikely. Unlikely. Uh if you take ask me about the what threats AI can have, I think AI can deliminate a lot of jobs. I think that's gonna it's happening to them. It will create a lot of new ones. But I it's not a terminator level of uh extinction threat. Uh it's just a threat to some certain people uh who can't embrace, will not embrace, don't have time, haven't learned, you know, they may be left behind. So that's up to the uh I think the m the people who we elect
to help us uh or help the rest of the people not to be left behind. Uh but in terms of t like metric scenario or or terminator scenario. Unlikely. Less than one percent, in my opinion.
Well, that's great. Yeah. And you say the the good prevail and you coming from the Ukraine, I also hope the good prevails there and uh Uh actually
All hope and we hop we'll hope and work towards it. And uh uh we definitely think that the turning point is near.
I hope so as well. What I read and uh I I'm I really hold my thumbs and uh yeah. Good. So the last last question of the interview, Sergey, where to find you, where to find Easy Blockchain, where can we connect to you?
Yeah, absolutely. I have a personal website. It's Garisimovich.com. I also am on X, uh Sergei Gera. And I'm on LinkedIn. The company's website is easyblockchain.net. I also have a YouTube channel, Sergei Garasimovich. Sometimes I'm putting pretty good conversation out of there. Uh and please subscribe to my my YouTube channel and some of the podcasts that I have. I am on and off from social media, uh, but sometimes I'm in a good mood and I talk a lot.
No.
That's good. No, I I I they are those people that post every day. That's not me and uh probably also not you. That's AI. Yeah, mostly that's called AI.
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
That's the usual AI. You know, you know, I have read this book. Uh a zero to one by Peter Thiel. And there is a phrase in that book. It's it it it says, We were promised flying cars and all we get is 140 characters. Uh there was a referral that only 140 characters was used to tweet. So I think we we overestimate the humanity sometimes. Uh that's why I'm not very cu worried about the extinction and everything else.
That's that's good. That's perfect. So people I put everything in the show notes and uh you can click on it and find Sergi there. And yeah, thank you, Sergei, for being on the podcast and giving me some insights in the data center world.
Absolutely. Well thank you for having me. I enjoyed this conversation. I hope the audience have uh had something useful to to listen to.
Wow, thank you, Sergey. That was great. I was uh really afraid to to drown here as a non tech guy, but anyway. It was was great to learn how things really work and how things are in the data center world and the importance of data centers, how they are constructed where they're construct. Let's start with this and that is an engineeral thing that is different from what the people do in the IT uh as an IT a software um engineer that they have to talk together.
And if you're an an ect electrical engineer that you might have to think about changing your job because there's so much opportunity. Anyway, some great insights like um data centers in space might not be the best idea. Thank you for staying to the end of the episode. Um don't forget to go to beginnersguide.nl and subscribe to the newsletter to get every episode in your mailbox, or just hit follow on your podcasting app or YouTube.
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