I'm not super confident based on the experience with Siri right now. Like I'm still not even super confident if I ask Siri to turn on my light. If I had to do that 10 out of 10 times, would you bet your life on it that it would do it 10 out of 10 times? No. No way. No way. Not even like 7 out of 10 times. Unless you just don't like life. The new iPhone potentially coming? The new iPhone SE. The new iPhone SE. Wait, wait, wait.
Let's match. Let's match. I think I got mine too. Look at that. You got your SE? Oh, sweet. This is one of the best phones ever, man. I think this is an iPhone 5S, but we'll pretend it's an SE. Hold on. How do you...
Oh, look on the back. Yeah, it's a 5S. Because SE actually has SE on it. See? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mine's definitely a 5S then. Yeah. But they look the same. You got the rose gold. That used to be the best. This was my... favorite phone for i mean this was groundbreaking when it came out it was like because it was like the power of an iphone was a 6s i think
Yeah. In the form factor of this guy. It's my favorite form factor. I mean, clearly, it's everybody's favorite because we went back to it, you know? Right. And we still have this. Like, I don't have all my old iPhones, but I have this one. Yeah, this is the only one I have. I have the original. Messing everything up. Yeah, so the OG. Oh, man. The 30-pin on the bottom. And the SE. That's crazy. Look at that little camera on both of them. I know.
I know, man. I like this thing because it's flat. The camera's flat. That's one reason I really like this. I recently turned this one on. It still works. This is the 5S. It's even older. It still works. I don't know what kind of antennas it has in here. I don't know if you can make a phone call. Maybe you can. It connects to the Wi-Fi. I put a wallpaper on it. It still works. It's cool. It's crazy.
It's my daily driver, man. I don't know about all that, but I do think the iPhone SE is basically going to be this guy. Yes, it will. The 13 mini, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Which I'm not complaining about with one camera. Will it be? Yeah. What's the dimensions, though? Will it be the size? That's a good question. Because I think it would be more like the... would it be more like the 14 the yeah i think i think it's going to keep that's the 6.1 inch display right yeah like the normal or maybe what was it 5.8
I don't think it's going to be small. I don't think it's going to be 13 mini size because 13 mini is like 5.3 inches. It's not going to be that small. No. But it's going to have that design. It's going to have face ID, so it's going to have a notch. I don't think it's going to have a dynamic island.
and then it'll probably have it's got to have it's got to run apple intelligence apple's not going to release anything oh yeah for sure so it's got to have a what ace 18 a 17 18 yeah right i believe yep so a little powerhouse oh yeah i mean i think they're gonna sell a gang of these like it's like it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy so you get all that plus you get usbc as well you also lose the home button as well so yeah
I think this is going to sell a lot. And if they start at the same price, which is the current iPhone SE. um is 429 i believe and because the original or the iphone se second generation was 399 and then they raised the price by 30 bucks with the third 29 yeah 429 So this one, if it's 450 or lower, I think they're going to sell a ton of these things. Let me see. Yeah, right now, 429. I agree. And I bet you it'll come with 128 gigs base storage because they can't do 64 right now. Yeah, especially.
yeah uh yeah so i think yeah if they keep it dude if they keep it under 500 even 499 i think would be because you get face id like you said probably still be 60 hertz of course it'll still be 60 hertz but usbc Better camera, Apple intelligence, all that good stuff. $499 for 128 gig model, I think, is where Apple's going to live. If they go cheaper than that, amazing. Yeah.
I don't know. $499? I'd say that's possible. I mean... What is their cheapest non-SE iPhone that they sell? The 14 they sell, and that's $599. Yeah, so we know for sure it's going to be less than that, obviously. I don't know, man. Yeah, and then I wonder if when the iPhone SE comes out, do they drop the 14 entirely, especially if it comes with the same exact chassis?
And then we'll have USB-C on all iPhones moving forward. What a world. This is going to be a massive upgrade from... that their generation i was never a fan of the the iphone se second gen like we already talked about how much we were fan of this this first gen iphone se it is great um But the second gen and the third gen, they had the same, I think it was based on the iPhone 8 chassis. And I just, I was not a fan.
have to say like it's like probably one of the ugliest iphone designs of all time it was it's very forgettable it's just very meh you know yeah yeah so so i'm glad that they're going back to Well, I mean, you know, they're 2025-ifying it with the harder corners, the fact that it can stand on its own technically, no more rounded off edges and things like that.
And, yeah, it'll just fit into the family. And I'm just curious. Again, I'm going to be curious to know about pricing, what limitations they put on it, depending on pricing, if any. Because they've got to figure out a way to still... push people up the iphone ladder price point wise you know like give me a reason to still get the 16 and the 15s um because if it gives you everything that you need out of a iphone se like the usbc that we're talking about face id
the 128 gigs of storage, and the average person walks into a T-Mobile or Verizon, why not go with that one? Why not go with the SE? Like it's in my interest, I guess, that people buy the latest phones just as someone who covers this kind of stuff. But I kind of hate recommending that people do that every year. I don't recommend that people do that every year. I think it's really dumb. Fiscally.
Yeah. And just from like an e-way sort of thing. True. Like phones should last for, I mean, they last for a long time. Especially nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Now, one thing that supposedly is coming to this new iPhone, it's going to be the first iPhone with Apple's in-house modem. So it won't have the Qualcomm modems for 5G connectivity. It'll have an in-house modem.
So I've been thinking to myself, A, what's the big deal about it? And B, how is it going to affect the end user? And what ways or what benefits are we going to see from it? What do you think? I don't think it's going to. Well. hopefully it won't affect the end user at all because that's that's really what apple wants they don't want okay like it's not bringing anything new to the table um
But you also don't want it to bring problems to the table too, which is a potential, right? Given the fact that I think this is, this is, remember that iPhone with the Intel modem? There was, can't remember what.
generation that was maybe it was the one with the with the antenna bands being blocked by your hand no no that was the the holding holding it wrong that was the iPhone yeah no but this is this is a few years later apple uh actually try to diversify their modem so they were using i can't remember the reason why but they were using some intel modems and some qualcomm modems in the same same iphone um probably like the whole like the snap dragging exynos situation samsung was doing for forever
yeah so it was basically like there were some problems with the intel i can't remember it's kind of hazy right now but i just remember hearing about issues with the intel modems and then apple ended up not using that and i think they actually purchased the intel modem like i think they purchase like that whole division from from intel and that's what is being used here
to to make this modem but this is years in the making i mean we've been hearing about this they've been wanting to get under out from under qualcomm's thumb for years right because there's huge royalties that they have to pay huge licensing fees that they have to pay Qualcomm to use that modem. And they don't want to have to continue doing that. Apple is all about trying to bring everything in-house. Right.
But that being said, this has proven to be obviously more difficult than perhaps they expected at first. Yeah. So it's that's why it's taken so long. I mean, this has been we've been hearing about this for years and years and years. And now we're just finally going to be getting an iPhone with.
Apple's in-house modem, and it's on the lowest-end iPhone at that, so you're not going to have things like millimeter wave and stuff like that. I wonder what the thought process is with putting it in the cheapest model. Oh, I know what it is. Tell me, tell me. They don't want to risk. Dude, if you put this, number one, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the latest ingredients Qualcomm modems, right? Yeah.
You can't put that in your flagship. But not only that, like what if there's issues that stem from this? Man, that would be an absolute disaster. Especially in the $1,300 Pro Max or something to have issues.
That's a non-starter. Not that it's justifiable to be like, oh, you bought the cheapest one, so of course there's going to be issues. Not that that should be the slogan or whatever, but I agree. And because... the rollout will be not limited but like obviously not everybody's gonna have an iphone se right away it'll be kind of like a staggered rollout i'm sure as they start to sell them so if something does happen you know
the first or second day, they can quickly kind of push a software update to fix most of the issues, hopefully. Yeah. It's not their flagship. Yeah. Yeah. So... But I wonder if it's going to bring... Because again, like we said, Apple likes to cover or own their entire stack, both hardware and software-wise, and they've been trying to do that and get everything in-house. I wonder if it is going to create any sort of additional ecosystem moments for us.
I'm just trying to think of what that would be and what that could unlock for us. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. Or is it literally just like, hey, we want to keep our margins. Hey, we want to own things. Nothing is going to change for you guys.
exactly even the price like even if like we're not going to pass that that on to you like yeah we're keeping that and and i guess that kind of makes sense given the fact that the iphone se i would imagine the margins are quite a bit lower than the flagship, but yeah, I don't, I mean, I guess the only. Just trying to think of what could possibly be an advantage. Battery life, I guess. Because it's all in-house and they could optimize it. But I would think that would be relatively negligible.
maybe i don't know i don't know enough about like modems and stuff just you know i know they do use a lot of battery right like yeah um especially like 5g yeah if you're streaming on 5g versus wi-fi your phone's gonna die faster on 5g Yeah, so there may be some advantages there just because it's all under the same stack, so to speak. My big thing, though, that I think about... is cellular max that's that's where cellular max what do you think about that what is cellular max
A cellular MacBook. Oh, Mac. Yeah. No, I thought you were saying Max. Like M-A-X. Yeah, Max. You know, with M4 Max. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. yeah i understand okay okay uh yes absolutely 100 especially a macbook air jeez give me give me the 12 inch macbook with the built-in modem 5g modem running mac os on like an m3 m4 that that would sell like hotcakes at a thousand dollars i think that's been one of apple's biggest misses like not including that in there i don't know why
I don't know why they've never put, they put it on their iPads, which run the same chipset, which are just as expensive on the iPad Pro side. Like, why not just throw it in a MacBook? Like, they're not going to cannibalize anything. I don't see any issues with doing it.
What are your thoughts? I don't know. Why you haven't done it yet? I would say one would be cost. They don't want to pay Qualcomm anymore. To me, an iPad is sort of like... i won't say it's a large iphone but it's like more of a mobile device yeah whereas the macbook like it's more of um office sort of yeah obviously it's on the go but
I think probably the number one reason they just don't want to pay Qualcomm for that. And there's probably other reasons as well. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, that would be a big deal if they brought that over. I think that would be a huge win for Apple. And a lot of people would gravitate towards that pretty quickly. Yeah. Especially on the move. Because, I mean, one of my biggest regrets ever was not getting cellular on my iPad, especially if somebody uses their iPad mobile a lot.
Because we're just getting like, there's one thing, like people just say, I'll just hotspot it and save the $200 upgrade or whatever, or the save the $10, $15 a month in service costs. But it just doesn't work the same. No, not quite. It's got a lot better. In terms of connectivity and how it'll automatically connect to your iPhone if you are in a place that doesn't have Wi-Fi with your iPad or even your MacBook. But it's still not the same.
it doesn't work as fast it doesn't work as well there's definitely like a break in the connection and having it built in i think would just be a game changer and it'll just be much more frictionless way less steps and it would just work better it's just one less thing one less mental thing you have to worry about right because i can't tell you how many times that i forget that my ipad is not cellular enabled and i'm oh actually it actually no my ipad is cellular enabled but i
canceled the cellular plan because i was like i'm not paying for this yeah for sure so um so yeah i've so yeah that really illustrates it because at one time i did have cellular on it and it was just seamless right and then yeah Now when I pull it out and I start using it, I'm like, all right, why isn't it? I forget. Oh, no, I forgot. I have to hotspot. And it is very seamless for the most part, but it's still not the same.
I feel like we still haven't even figured out hotspotting because my phone when I hotspot still gets extremely hot. It drains the battery so fast. I mean, I haven't hotspotted probably in a little bit.
But probably like a month or two ago I did and it still gets very hot. And then I'm also not on an unlimited hotspot plan. I think I have like five gigs, which for most people I guess is more than enough. But if you go over, it's going to cost you money or it'll slow all the way down to like the...
256 kilobyte speeds which snail speed nowadays you know yeah how much would you be willing to pay extra to get it to get it into your macbook 150 200 at most what's 200 right now to put it on your ipad yeah so that's what i'm saying kind of expensive it is yeah yeah so at most matt and max yeah yeah so maybe if they do bring it in house they'll hopefully pass those cost savings over to us but we'll see
Right. Sure they will. So apparently this iPhone SE4 will be announced as early as next week and going on sale later in the month. So... That according to Bloomberg. So we shall see. Yeah, we'll pick some up once they come out. So definitely stay tuned for that. Yep. I want to see your review on that for sure.
And then to see what the kind of quality we get on the other pieces of hardware, like how good is the camera going to be comparative to the other iPhones. It's supposed to get a 48-megapixel shooter, which is what we have on the iPhone on the Pro Maxes for the main shooter. So will it be the same?
you know in terms of quality um and you know just the little nuances of every day with the iphone like what are you giving up truly for that price point because you got to be giving up something um but we'll see we'll find out once we get them
So with that being said, you mentioned that these iPhones are going to support Apple intelligence more than likely. I mean, it would be super weird if they did not. I think it's a foregone conclusion that they will support Apple intelligence. So my question is. Is Apple intelligence worth it? Like if you have an iPhone SE3 now and it's working perfectly fine, would you recommend updating to the iPhone SE4 just to get Apple intelligence?
The way that it is right now, we're on 18.3. No, I don't really think so. I keep trying to use it, but then I just keep, even though it is integrated with ChatGPT, like that's what they're using as the AI, I still just gravitate to the ChatGPT app. whenever I need some sort of AI assistant or whenever I need to like I won't I don't know maybe it's just the way that it's there's too much friction in how it's being used even though there is like a dedicated visual intelligence button and
and being able to just summon Siri with your voice or double tapping the home bar. There are things that the way that I communicate with ChatGPT, like for instance, right? I'm looking to see maybe relocating the family. And I give ChatGPT like, all right, wife, daughter, schools need to be good, price points of house of living and things like that. And I'll literally have a conversation about what ChatGPT recommends, where I should go, or give me some options of what's a place to go in the U.S.
And I tried that same conversation with Apple Intelligence through like the Siri prompts and the Siri kind of UI. And it just doesn't retain anything. It keeps breaking. The second I like move away.
the whole conversation gets lost you know there's no con context that stays so it right now there's just too much friction and it's not as easy and seamless to use and there's a yeah i mean i agree and there's been other tests recently where i think ones were asking about the super bowl i think it was john gruber he posted about that and it was like it got it wrong on several more than several um like
win or who won the Superbowl, you know, years back, things like that. So, but it's interesting though. I'm starting to like think about this recently. I posted a video about iOS 18.3 and I showed. the debug screen for chat GPT integration. And if you look at that screen, Apple has a ton of like parameters that they're like, basically when you, when you.
query chat gpt through apple intelligence it's being filtered through like a ton of different parameters that from what i can gather this is what it's being filtered through apple has very specific um
requirements as far as how the response is to be formatted and what it should not say, what it should say, what it should not infer, what it should infer. All these different like... parameters that it goes through so it's almost as if yeah it's using chat gpt but through an apple lens so to speak through an apple filter and i think it's because they want to make sure a that something isn't said
on an apple device even though it is chat gpt saying it and we're aware of that if it comes through apple intelligence people are gonna be like wow you let like apple did this like it would be a huge pr nightmare if something bad were to be said even though it was chat gbt and you let it go to chat gbt the fact that it was done through apple intelligence people are going to freak out and it'll be a pr nightmare and then i also think from a security standpoint
Apple's always been so gung-ho on security, which is awesome, right? That I think it's a little bit detrimental to the experience of an assistant, of an AI assistant. So I don't know. I think that...
Apple has to open the floodgates a little bit more. But at the same time, that goes against what they've been building for 20 years from a privacy perspective. And I just don't know what the solution is because they're marketing like crazy. They want it to work. They want it to be beneficial to everybody.
But under, like you said, under their lens and under their kind of stringent requirements. Right. Because the prompt. Yeah, because if you look at the book screen, you could see like all of Apple's. the parameters they put in is very Apple-like. Like, it's like, don't respond with, I mean, it's very particular about the way it wants. to response like don't refer to the image as an image when they when they respond it has to be it's like wow this is um just kind of eye-opening
to see the filter, so to speak, for lack of a better word, I guess, that they put your query through, basically. So it'll be interesting to see if Apple eventually allows us to adjust some of those parameters.
uh to give us a little bit more control over the response that chat gpt sends back or if it's just going to be like this but right now it's not instilling a lot of confidence just based off the differences when you compare the response you get from the chat gpt app versus which the response you get from siri through via chat gpt it's just there's differences there for sure
And even to go away from the ChatGPT integration, even things like the image playgrounds and the Genmojis, and it's a good segue into the Apple Invites app, which we'll touch on in a little bit. But I put in playing with the Apple Invites app. One of the features is that you can use image playgrounds to create a background for your invites, right? So what I wanted to do was to test it out, was create a Super Bowl invite.
And I wanted to have, like, a football, an eagle, and, you know, eagles and chiefs, like, something related to them color-wise or whatever. And I tried for, like, a solid 10 minutes, and it could not give me something good.
It was insane. It would give me like a random eagle. It would give me myself with like a football. It couldn't do both of them. And I don't know if it was because it's based off of IP, like the Chiefs and the Eagles, and they're not allowed to use specific IPs and things like that.
but it just it didn't work well it did it did not get i basically went ended up going to google grabbing a picture and using that as my background because image playoffs didn't do what i wanted it to do and so you can't even do something you know those video games and and advertisements where the player is obviously maybe he's a player for the lakers and but he doesn't have a lakers jersey on but you can clearly tell that
It's meant to be a Lakers jersey, right? It's purple and gold, but it doesn't say Lakers anywhere on it. It's just like a generic jersey. At least you would think you could do something like that, but no, apparently... You can't even do that. We'll see how it ends up going. I do think they've gone too far to just come back. They've got to keep going with this. They have to figure out a way to get this done correctly.
So, I mean, we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it plays out at the end of the day. I do think they'll figure it out. It's just a matter of how it's going to happen. And, again, they marketed this to us at WWDC last year. We're going on, what, nine months since it being marketed to us? And it was marketed with the new iPhones. And we still don't have a lot of the features that were promised early on. Yeah. Yeah.
and speaking of that i mean so that is what is coming up you mentioned the invites app we'll talk about that in a second but 18.4 is supposed to be i don't know so much the last it's one of the final like major pillars of apple intelligence rollout the initial rollout and that's what's going to bring the the siri
like the improved enhanced Siri aspect of Apple intelligence, like things like own screen awareness for Siri. So Siri being able to know exactly what you're looking at and you'll be able to say, like, say someone texts you an address. Instead of having to copy, paste, or tap the address and go through whatever you're going through, you could just simply say, add this address to such and such contact, and it will do it.
Yeah. Supposedly. Right. Like I will, I'll believe it when I see it, honestly, because that seems like quite a, that seems pretty ambitious for Syria. Like given the state of Syria and just the history of it. That seems like an ambitious thing, but I would love to be wrong about that. I would love that that works super seamlessly, but that's the type of things that Apple intelligence, the new features in 18.4 is supposed to bring to the table, but not just that.
there's these new app actions that allow apps to be interacted with without even launching the app itself. So for instance, you could say, find the photo of me snowboarding and remove the man in the background and then send that to Fernando and it'll do all that or add it to the files app. And that's without launching the app or anything like that's.
That's pretty ambitious, man. That's really ambitious. It's going to be sick once it happens. Like I said, how do we get there? Because that is very ambitious, especially when you're looking at where we're at right now with Apple Intelligence. And obviously it can be done because there's apps that do it already. Like I played with Gemini and there were, again, it's not like super free for all, but the things, the parameters and the.
the parameters that it already can handle especially with first-party apps and like samsung and google it can do that you know it could you can ask it for a recipe you can ask it to put it in your notes app and set a reminder for dinner you know like you can already do that with those phones with gemini So it can be done. So that being said, obviously Apple knows that this is important. Like they would not like.
i mean just think about the marketing they pushed on this like i mean it's crazy like so it shows the billboards recently yeah so they're all in dude like and they realize so what that tells me is one apple knows that this is This is super important, right? Like the whole AI thing. I mean, they realize that the branding of this is important. And I just realized that like...
the scope of this is bigger than it is right now. Like in the future, this is going to be huge. Right. Yeah. So with that said, do you think there'll come a point in time? You just mentioned you use the.
samsung s25 do you think there'll be a coming coming time where people buy their smartphones not for the camera improvements but for the ai for the ai capabilities like because right now it's like i would say a camera is a big part of yeah purchase decisions like that's a pretty major part obviously you have like system lock-in and if you're a google user traditionally or an iphone user obviously but camera is an important
Like high on the list. So do you think there would be a time in the not too far off future where the AI capabilities of a phone is what really... separates it. And do you think it'll get to the point where that matters so much that the operating system, the lock-in for that matters less? That's what I was going to get to.
Because I do think that if, again, if we paint this picture of Apple still slow behind and now we're two, three years into Gemini and Google Assistant and... especially like with ar vr stuff like that video the project muhan and being able to use the ai assistant to pretty much as your input method for those types of uh peripherals and that type of hardware i do think that
features of an AI assistant, if they are good enough and make your life easy enough, is probably the biggest thing that I've seen as a threat to make the ecosystem not matter as much, if that makes sense. For me, it's the biggest feature that I've noticed in the last 10 years to be like, hey, this actually could pull somebody away from the Apple ecosystem if Apple doesn't figure it out compared to the Googles and the Geminis of the world.
Because I think they're kind of the same, but they're different. But yeah, that's what I think it is. Because those action models, I think, are going to be very, very helpful to a lot of people. Do you see that?
How far off do you think we are from that? Not that far. From what I've seen on the other side, it's not that far away. But then again, there's got to be a reason. There has to be a reason why Apple isn't... up to par and i don't think it's just like they have worse developers or like they don't care enough about i think i think there's something like you said like you saw with the the back end and the the parameters that they put together and the requirements i do think it's more so
Apple's protocols making it harder to do this correctly in the way that they want it to. Sure, they weren't. And I think it's going to be the same idea of Apple's not first, but they usually do it the best. And I think that's the avenue they're going with. It's just weird because they've been marketing it to us so early on. But see, in this case, they're not first, and they're not the best. Like, they're neither one.
it's like eventually they'll get it right i do believe that but they got to be careful but i'm skeptical just because of siri like and you think about like home assistants and things like that like siri still frustrates many people today like and i mean can we say that they've gotten siri right after i mean they were the first right what weren't they the first like i know they purchased siri from another company like siri was its own standalone app at one time i had it running on my phone
So just like with ChatGPT, like as its own standalone app, Siri was its own standalone app. Apple purchased Siri and integrated it with the iPhone 4S launch. And I remember that like at the time.
i remember the first day i had the phone and me and my friends i mean we couldn't stop playing with it like it was just like all day long we were just asking serious various things and it was super like rudimentary back then but still it was like wow this is cool like this is the future now how many years has that been like it's been over a decade nearly 12 years and we still look at siri as like sort of um
I mean, it's better, but there's still a lot of negative stigma with it. So with that being said, how confident should we be on Apple intelligence? Because number one. they are, they were late to the party. Like they didn't realize this was a thing. Like there was some, I can't remember where it was Craig Federighi. He was using Microsoft, Microsoft Windows co-pilot.
And it like hit him like a bag of bricks that this is like, oh, yeah, we should we should probably have done that started doing this now. To be fair to Apple, they've been using machine learning for years, right? So it's not like they haven't been in AI for a while, for a long time. But the whole... AI as an assistant, as a helper sort of thing, that sort of side of the coin is what they kind of missed the boat on initially. And it's just...
I'm not super confident based on the experience with Siri right now. I'm still not even super confident if I ask Siri to turn on my light. If I had to do that 10 out of 10 times, would you bet your life on it that it would do it 10 out of 10 times? No. No way. No way. Not even like 7 out of 10 times.
Unless you just don't like life. Yeah. But yeah, so that's what I'm saying. But hearing you say that as someone who just used the S25, and I know you are much more involved in AI and... using chat gpt for like just for practical reasons like you do that practically very practically yeah i don't so it's interesting hearing your perspective on that because you're someone who who does use this stuff and sees practical value in it
And then for you to say, well, it's not that far off. And to compare your usage with Gemini and all the things it can do. Wow. It's kind of kind of eye opening. Like I've started to shift my. Like I've been googling things less and less and like friends I just mentioned my daughter had a fever So instead of going to Google and typing in the symptoms to see what she had I asked chat GPT. I went into the
I was like, I have an X year old. She has these symptoms. What could it possibly be? And like, what should I do? And then told me what the possibilities were. And it said like. give her like water make sure she's hydrated like all the little you know steamy showers blah blah blah and that's that's who i've been going to who like it's a person that's where i've been going to for like googling nowadays
It's been a recent shift, definitely a recent shift, but it's easier for me to have those kind of conversations and I could just expand on that. I don't have to click through links to find the information that I need. So that's my practical use cases. I don't go much beyond that. And technically Siri should be able to do the same thing. But it can't just yet. I think it needs to be a standalone app. I think it needs to be...
I get that you want it to be part of the native OS and you want it to sit on top of everything. But for those practical conversations, there needs to be an application where I can go back, look at my history, have different conversations, go back into those old conversations to then...
reignite those conversations if I need to. Absolutely. There needs to be a C and I don't understand why that hasn't been a thing yet because how useful it's like using a terminal window and not being able to look at your history and your terminal site. Yeah. Like I do that all the time. Recall. what commands are typed in. Why can't we do that with Siri? Like Siri should be a standalone application. Absolutely. 100%. And especially now.
with this integration like you should be able to go into your history you should be able to um like like basically tweak the parameters that is being used you should be able to tweak all sorts of things like this should have been a standalone app and i know that you have series settings but it's not quite the same like having an actual app that was still linked to this to the side button right like you can still and it's still
that app is integrated within the OS, but it still is on standalone app too. Yeah. I just think that makes so much more sense. Even with like writing tools, like the writing tools. sometimes it works you know it'll give you a summarization or maybe if you want to change up the verbiage it'll change it for you but then if you want to add a secondary change or like add a third change or maybe go back to another one it gets
It breaks. It's not as, it just doesn't work that well. It needs a history. Yeah, it needs a history. It needs like an undue history. Yeah, and you can do that in ChatGPT. You can go 10 steps deep and then go back to step two and just restart from there. Because he didn't like the outcome of Step 10, you know? So, we'll see. But, hey, Apple, I believe in you. Don't worry. I haven't lost faith.
yeah i mean and who knows 18.4 may surprise us maybe um because that is really the that's really the showstopper like i say showstopper that's really the The thing, right? Yeah. 18.4 is the thing. Everything else has been like for fun. This is going to be the useful one. Yeah. Ideally. Because it hasn't been super duper useful thus far. Genmoji is, I mean, fun.
But even that is sort of like, it's been a while since I've done one. I do think the visual intelligence with 18.3 helped out a little bit, being able to finally take pictures and get stuff into your calendar that you showed off. Yeah. So that was a big one, I think, because it wasn't working with 18.2 in terms of a practical use case. So let's see what 18.4 brings. Yeah. With that being said, man, I think that's a good conclusion. For sure.
for this episode so we have a lot on the precipice 18.4 hopefully iphone se announcement uh practically or man potentially um and um and then Yeah, other stuff, too. Other stuff on the pipeline, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And if you guys want to see some stuff on the 18.3 recap, maybe the Apple Invites app. We've got videos on that already, so go check those out. Because I do think the Invites app is...
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