What a Show (S2 E21, “Everybody's Talking 'Bout It”)

are you good? How are you? I'm good. I have to apologize for you because last time I saw you ten or fifteen years ago, whenever it was, I kind of was rude Tina and I apologize. Wait wait, okay, I don't even remember, Thank god, no, I remember. Let's get into this because when when we were talking about co host um, they said Grant shower and I said, oh, that's a great idea. And then I had this like feeling in the back of my mind like I don't know if we had a good experience last time we

saw each other. I couldn't really remember specifically what was just like I like I was like, how I wanted to see you, and I think you came. I asked. It was like, and I saw you, and then I think maybe someone went and asked you to come over, or you came over. I don't remember why, but like I like like I looked at reached out for you, and then you made an effort. And then as soon as you made the effort, I saw right behind you like slot it off like a butterfly flower and I

was rude And I'm just super sorry. I first of all, your apology accepted. Second of all, I didn't know specifically what it wasn't that is like the classic like this, Yeah, I know it was terrible before apparently it happened in my real life. Wow, well that's hilarious. Well, nevertheless, I felt bad about it ever seen. Oh look at you let it go like short, like right after I tried

that ninety I realized what I had done. I was like, oh my god, I just was like so rude, and I tried to find you, but you by the time I couldn't find you. And then you know, you know what, that just shows that you are a super self aware of person, and that is a really important quality. Not right in that moment. I wasn't not in that moment, but like you, but you know, sometimes it takes a minute. So um, this is like a like a Jake and

Kelly reunion. Yeah right, I don't remember anything about that. Hold like you remember that, but you you won't. You can't remember our episode? Well, I vaguely remember it was two episodes. I remember building a gazebo. Yes, two episodes in season two. And you were like the carpenter right that my mom hired right in the backyard Dylan's or from Dylan's past or oh interesting, remember that either? See I remember that part and I were from the same

part of the war. I think we were both from the the Northwest, from like Oregon or someplace like that, and we both had similar backgrounds. Ah, well, I don't remember that now. I do remember we had a couple of really steamy makeout sessions. Remember that, Yeah, I do too. I also remember when I got I've never seen the show, when I was cast and then I found out that I was going to be working with. Um what was your characterst name? Okay, you're a really funny or be

you're crazy? Um Kelly, Kelly, you were serious. You didn't remember it. I did not remember, my goodness, and I was staying on the head as a child. So when I found out that I was going to be working with Kelly, I was like, Okay, well I need to find out which of these ladies it is, which these women it is? And I was very pleased that it was you. Good. I'm glad. How have you been? I've been super I mean, life is a crazy ride, isn't it. You Mr have been You've had such an amazing career.

I was doing a little research on you last night, and you have just done so many shows. You you started out on started out in soaps, right, so you were in daytime And that's when I met um. Um Luke and I were on shows. He was Unloving and I was on Ryan's Hope. And then we shot in the same building, kind of across the hall from each other. So we he and I went back like to the very very beginnings of a career. We dated the same woman. We like that career is just a lie. Just kind

of kept passing this like this, just like this. It was so nice to have um reconnected with him fairly recently before he passed. Yeah, that's nice though. He was a good friend. He was a good guy anyway. Anyway, Right, So you started on Daytime and then I just find your story really interesting. Um. Then Aaron Spelling kind of plucked you and put you in Primetime. It was love Boat. What did you do love Boat? Right after? Yeah, I did love Boat, um, while I was still on the

daytime show. And then when I finished my contract there, I went to London for a year, and when I came back, I believe I did. Yeah, I did a little bit of theater out of New York. Then I just kind of kept getting gigs in l A. And so I go to l A and I'd worked and to come back to New York and spend all my money because it was so expensive to live out there. And then when I just decided to move out to l A. And it wasn't it was a while before, um,

before melrose Place happened, before I met you guys. Yeah, I was probably ten years after I started working. Okay, So melrose Place. Okay, did you know when you started out as Jake Hanson that you would be getting your own spin off? Like, I mean, that's a pretty big deal. So you knew, I knew that they were using this character's sprameboard a new show. I mean, that's a that's huge. Yeah, No, I knew it was a big deal. I was I was reading for Melrose Place, not nine o two and

no Ah. Then they told me that the way they wanted to introduce the show was through my character on your show. Yeah. I loved it, And I loved that my character was like a crossover sort of. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Like I just watched the episode that they told me to watch for you take good Good. You did your homework so difficult. Um, and there's such different shows, like I've forgotten how kind of it's a very special man to know the show was this episode

though in particular. But yeah, this episode, you got a really great episode to watch because we'll get into it later, but this is definitely my favorite episode by far for so many reasons. Well one of you know, so far, I'm only in season two, so we'll see what happens. What are you doing. You're going through and watching an episode? Do you do this every day? No, we do it

once a week. And we're Tory and I are going uh and watching the original show for the very first time because while we were on it, we never really watched it. So we are watching every episode in succession, and um, we're just becoming complete fans of the show. Why didn't you watch you when when you first did it? We're busy working and trying to figure out how to juggle everything, like there was no television in my life

at that time. Yeah, well, because you're that you know, Melbourne's Place really lifted off kind of the same time as nine or two or no, Like we both kind of shot out the same time you guys a couple of years before us, and I don't think we have a really we didn't have a really reach kind of like crazy level that you guys reached to me. We were it was a big deal, but we didn't have like people. People weren't hunting me down, you know what I mean. Well, I mean it wasn't It wasn't really huge.

How did you feel about that, Like, how did you handle that sort of sudden thing because you kind of shot to start them in that moment with the show. Yeah, you know, I knew that it was possible when I took the job. I was like, there's a really good chance that this is going to be a big show, um, And I said to myself, you know, you keep your feet on the ground. It's really, you know, easy to get um lured into. No, not just really bad behavior,

but just sort of a skewed vision of yourself. And I gotta tell you, even warning myself and being ready for it and having my guard up, I look back on him like now, it still messed me up. It just I don't know that there's anything anyone can do.

You know, there's no rule book, there's no guide book, there's no manual, there's no you know, nobody really you know, nobody can even really give you advice because everyone's journey is different and you just kind of have to figure it out, you know, because life really But you know, did you have like a solid like um support system, Like did you have your parents? Did you have family around you at all during that time? I had some

good friends. I did, And like I said, I would say I probably, well, I would say probably, I say I would say I lost my wife for a little while horribly, you know what I mean. I didn't, you know, it wasn't didn't go off the rails. No, but they're not proudly of some of my behavior. Yeah, what about you? How did you do it? Me? It was all about I have families still around me. I had parents that were still a part of my life. I had um my sisters in Illinois and from the Midwest, you know

that I had. I relied a lot on my family during that time, and I coupled up like I had one boyfriend or one husband for the duration, you know, like a one person, one partner. So that really Also, I wasn't out there like a bar is trying to meet people or using my status to you know, do that. So I think that's how I survived, honestly, right, you were You were very young too, weren't. You're probably ten years younger me, are you? Yeah? I think so. I

was about sixteen seventeen. Yeah, when I worked with you, I was probably eighteen. Okay, yeah, I was thirty. Yes, I was like seventeen. So basically you were. Yeah, that was against the all what was happening, right? Wow? For that to survive that good for you. Yeah, I mean it's not easy for sure, but we live really wonderful lives because of it. And if you are, like I said before, have any self awareness or sort of have

grown at all as the human are evolved. You know, you sort of can stop and look back and do what you just did, which is like, you know, be accountable and and talk about it, like not be ashamed of it and not try to hide it or you know, I think that's really cool. Yeah, well run your face all the time, you know what I mean when you look in the mirror, there you are exactly exactly now you have, um, you have a family, now, is that correct? I mean your kids and are they older? Are they? Yeah?

I started really young. I started when I was My girls are older now fifteen, eighteen, and twenty four. Wow of a seven year old seven year old daughter? Right, yeah, yeah, I'm loving it. It changes you. I think it's so much. It's just the greatest thing ever. It really is. It's maybe that's part of it, Like it like it takes your focus off of you and put it on some

other being. Well, I think you it's like to be a parent, you can't you have to be of service, right, So you have to be so you can't if you're a good parent. Yeah, if you're a parent, your person hanging out around it not be of service. But you're not parent then um, but yeah, it just takes so much um, being of service and then I think you for me anyway, I learned that being of service. It's like when you put effort into anything, it becomes more valuable.

And that effort of being you know, taking care of it sounds really this sounds undersoid to sell that before, So I don't know, it sounds a lot kind of thinner than I think it is. Um. They just there, your passion grows work for it. The more effort you put in, the more work you put in, the more of service you are towards something, the more your passion is for it, and the more joy you take out of the service that you give. That's what I'm trying

to say. That is very beautifully said and so so true. I think that applies to like anything like yeah, yeah, parenting, your career, your relationships, your relationship with yourself, so many things. Yeah, that's really cool. Well, so back to some little some of some more fanning out on my part of you in your career. So you have many episodes were you on More Rist Place. We did thirty four a year and I did five years. Uh, and then you and a few of the other cast members left the show

at a certain point right I left. We all have five year contracts and I left contractors, do you ever like I think like I wish I had done it differently, I wish I hadn't left, or I'm really glad, Like how how do you feel about it now? I think I'm glad I left. Um, you know, I never got the cash in because, as you know, Aaron doesn't pay very well for your first deal, you think the beginning, Yeah, and I never I never had I never got a raise. I never renegotiate anything. My five year deal was my

five year deal. Um, so I would be a lot more secure. My financial security would be greater right now. But I never you say I've not a lot of TV shows. I have not a lot of TV shows. But I've never been interested in money, so I don't have a lot of money. I mean, I'm comfortable, but I'm not like you know, I don't have twenty million dollars in the bank like like you might think I would have if you look at the career I had,

right that has never been my focus. And so yes, if I had stayed on for another year or two, you know that would have paid me probably you know, six million dollars or something like that. Something in the neighborhood of that. Um, whoa, you're getting paid a lot more than me. The negotiation, I figured thirty two episodes. If you got a hundred grand a year, right, that's probably what I could have got an episode. An episode, yeah, right,

which is insane. Hello, if you just think about what you just said, you made a hundred thousand years, I think I probably could have gotten that could have for working for seven days. Yeah yeah, break that down. I want to know what that is hourly. Haven't you ever done episode? We did? We had one line? Yeah, exactly, I'm here and I'm getting paid and I'm saying three words, I love my job. It's like thirty thousand dollars of work. Oh, it's ridiculous. But listen, I never made that kind of money.

If I had gone down that I might have been able to get, you know what I mean. So let's say it was four million dollars. But you know what I mean, it's like, okay, so you have four million dollars in the bank, really two million because the government takes half of Italy see two million dollars in the bank. At the time, I felt like people that stayed on the show passed their initial contract, that was kind of the end of their career. And historically that kind of

was true. You know, when there was three networks and you know people thirty million people watched an episode of something you got stuck in that role during our time on our show, on two Your Time and on by Time, My Morrow's Place. That started to change, and it has become clear that that does isn't the case that more can move on. You can't have a bigger and longer career even if you stay on your show. So my reason for doing it, it turned out not to be true.

But at the time, I didn't know that I made the best choice that I could at the time, and I think it was the right choice given the information I had, So I don't at all. You weren't alone. I think I think a lot of actors had that perspective. I personally didn't. I just I didn't think it. I'm not a gold personally, I don't think ahead, So I didn't think to make a change, like it didn't occur to me. But there were people around me, like Jason

Luke and Uh. They wanted to go do other things, you know, and they thought if they stayed doing the show, they would never ever get to work anywhere else again because people would never see them as anything other than Brandon and Dylan. So totally you were you weren't alone in that. And by the way, it took years before well has you know, every time I walk into a room, Jake Canson was there with me, you know, for quite

a few years. And finally I realized the reason we Canson was in the room every time I walked in because I was bringing it in with me. And you know, when I foundly let myself get away from that, then I was able to get away from it. But that it takes a while, whether however it's happening, It takes a while for you to kind of like cleanse yourself from something that's that that's that integrated, like it's part

of you. Yeah, that's it was a huge part of time, right because your show, our show, they were they had such a big impact on so many people during a very specific time, you know, and and the fans of our show and your show and other shows, but they are just so devoted and so like invested in these characters. And I think that's what made our shows success. People still recognize me from from Mo's Place. Really, like when

you get recognized most is it mostly now? It's real g some melogh now it's missing a bunch of different things. Swing down Dynasty Dynasty mostly now because that's what's on right now town and yeah most Place. So yeah, you is kind of full circle for because you kind of started out with Aaron Spelling and now you're on Spelling Dynasty. When it came across my desk, I was like my desk when I when I got the audition, was like,

do you have a desk? Exactly? I don't. I was rolling my eyes and myself when I got the audition, I was like, oh well, I'm like, I've had a in thirty years of a career that sets me up, tease me up perfectly for this job. It's not, it doesn't. It is exactly what it should be. It doesn't take itself seriously at all. It is as silly as silly could be, and yet it's still the characters are still serious, you know what I mean. It's pretty cool. I think that you know you're doing this role. It's such an

iconic role, you know. Originally of course for those that don't know played by John Forsyth. How did that feel stepping into that role and like, you know, not in the shadow of him, but I can imagine you must have put a lot of pressure on yourself to you know, even if you did admit it, like it was there that you were playing this iconic role. Yeah. Well, so

first off, I had never seen Dynasty. So when I watched, Yeah, when I was auditioning for what, I watched what he I watched some stuff, some of his scenes to see what he did, and I was like, well, I can't do that. That's something that's he's different than me. I'm never gonna be able to do that. It's a totally I'm a totally different animal than he is. So trying to recreate what he did was not ever an issue. But what he did do really well was he he He wasn't a good guy and he wasn't a bad guy.

He was vicious and he was awful and at the same time he cared about his family and you know all those kind of that sort of mixture. He wasn't he wasn't an anti hero. He wasn't someone you loved to hate. It just us like a person um I think it's what was so great about which on force I did and that I did have and still do feel a lot of pressure to do that. Yeah, I

mean it's a big it's a big role. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's very The role is iconic, definitely, and I feel like it's such a cool, like like you kind of said before, representation of your career, like you have you have earned this role, Like that's you know what that's I've never put it that way, but I do feel I do, honestly feel like I have earned this role. And when I went to go get it, I wasn't

gonna let anybody else happen. You know. I went out and bought a very expensive suit for the audition because I was like, this is my role and I'm not going to you know, Like, those are the things that I did, All the things that you do when you when you want, when you deny anyone else's opportunity to take this away from you. Yeah, that's so strong. What that you you wanted something and you went out and you got it. Yeah. I'm having a great time with

it too. I bet it's been going since you started two thousand seventeen. So hello, congratulations than October and you feel like you're I feel like you're going to stay with it, and you did five years of Milor's Place. I don't feel like that this time. I'm gonna ride this until it's dead. Your dad, Now you need a page. Well, people people all love it. People just love it. So I kind of feel like you are like that. If you had a title, a silly title, you would be

like the golden child of Spelling entertainment. You are the guy he did. You know, Uncle Spelling was very very good to me. At the same time. I had a very contentious relationship with him. You know, I was you know, I was a young, cocky, bit of an asshole kind of guy, and he was, you know, going to be in charge no matter what. You know. Remember you remember, you know he's did some things they weren't too nice to me, and I did some things that weren't too

nice to him. But you know I cried when he died. So yeah, I mean it's hard to separate business like that. You know, really great man, and you sound like you know, you're a great person, so sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Though I it was too almost going at each other you know, yeah, I kind of get that againd of get that, you know what. Okay, So what's gonna happen now? We're going to take a break and then when we come back, we're gonna get into

the episode that we watched. Okay, Okay, hey everybody, Scott Patterson, we are going to have my loo vent Amelia on the podcast today and we are dropping the episode immediately. We are very excited to have him. He's a he's an old, dear friend, and he gave us. He gave us some time, which is he doesn't have any time, but he gave us some time, and we really really really appreciate it. So we're gonna do this interview with Milo uh and we're going to drop it immediately as

soon as we can get it all cobbled together. This crack team I have and we're just very very excited about it. So anyway, listen to my podcast I Am All In right now on I Heart Radio, app, Apple podcast and everywhere you listen to podcasts. Okay, So here's the deal, Tori. Like I said, Tori and I were rewatching the show with the fans uh for the first time, but we're really actually becoming fans ourselves. So it's been

a great ride morally. In season two, which season two, uh, in a few episodes I think is when Jake Hansen makes his debut. But we're not to you yet, so we're not gonna talk about you. We're gonna talk about this episode. Okay, okay, okay, uh, Season two, episode one, everybody's talking about it. It aired February six, nineteen two, and here's a little synopsis. Andrea is outraged when the school refuses to allow students to take part in a

health survey that includes questions about sex. It was directed by Daniel Addis and written by Darren Starr, Karen Rosen, and Charles Rosen. So this episode I mentioned was one of my favorite episodes for a lot of reasons. This episode is all about sex education, UM, and it was very you know, timely topic, very like you said, a very special episode, very special nine two one, oh right. Not all of them were like that. I was really impressed with um, with all y'alls acting on you were

it really was. It's like not easy to be that earnest, Yeah, that earnest, and um not not look silly and you didn't. You guys were great you know what, it's funny that you say that, thank you. But and and I, as a person not in it, just watching it felt the very same way like I felt this episode was so

well written. Um, it was about really heavy subject matter that was sensitive, and there were a lot of emotions around it, and I felt like the stories were so well woven together so well, and the characters really everybody was kind of interwoven in a really interesting way. And it wasn't like a you know, public service announcement. It

wasn't like an after school special. It just felt like, I don't know, there was something about this, And I did feel like across the board, really good acting and bring yourself back this was it was around there. I think times were different, people weren't tal kind of about

stuff like this on television. This was really a lot more cutting edge then then it seems now, right absolutely, because I mean the episode was about bringing condoms into schools, about about sex education, about making condoms available to high school students, and Andrea was trying to like, you know, make that happen at West Beverly and the Parents Organization, But it was also about each characters own journey with them,

their own sexuality. And I think that's you know, right, who was talking about being a virgin in high school and one you know, and and shame of being a virgin in high school. I don't think people were no, and I and that that that was so What was so cool about this episode two was that everyone's point of view was really actually interesting and different. Like I felt like Donna was telling a story, Andrea was telling a story, Kelly was telling a story, Brenda. Brenda was

telling a story. I felt like this was actually a really um female driven episode and pretty powerful. Yeah, and Kelly just wanted to go shot. Kelly just wanted to avoid the topic at all costs because her sexuality I think was talked about enough that she didn't feel like

she needed to add fuel to that fire. Yeah, but I I this was Catherine Cannon's first episode, who played Felice Martin, Donna's mom, and she was the one that was, you know, kind of heading the whole parent or kind of surprised at how many involvement of the of the grown ups. I didn't realize that they were so involved in your show. I guess thought it was you kids. Yeah, sometimes they were, sometimes they weren't but this episode had a nice not what they weren't too heavy, but they

were just sort of like yeah, mm hmm um. But that was her first episode that they had had another woman playing Donna's mom in earlier episodes, but this was the new fully fully smarten and we all disagrew to really love her and she was such a pleasure to

work with and so great, so great. So they had condoms available in other schools at that time, but I guess not at West Beverly, but I think that condoms were a thing that were being you know, presented to young people and passed out and it was all about disease protection from AIDS and all the things and so super important. It was like a big thing was called the Condom Availability Program, like the government you know, the

next and all about that they did they did. I feel like, um, we had you know, some learning to do about how to talk about these sensitive subjects, you know, in ways that teens could hear and and the way teens talked, but also that didn't like put off all the parents. Because I think that this this episode really pinpointed for me. One of the things that I always say about our show was that it really opened up

the communication channels between parents and their kids. So everybody was watching this show at this time, and the parents were watching it to see what their kids were watching, and a lot of times the families were watching it together because you did that back then. And I feel

like I've always been told like this story. This episode really helped me and I it helped me talk to my daughter about sex, and you know, it really got us having that discussion, you know, And now talking to fans that are older and that are parents now, they're they're saying that it really helped them talk to their parents. So I feel really good about that. You know. Sometimes it was a little heavy handed, but you know, just barely. I think, I don't you know what was if it was,

if you haven't handed at all. It's just the style of shooting a show back then. That's what jarved me more than anything else. Just styled just you know, dancing director. I remember, but it was terrific right whenever I worked with him. But you look at it and it's just like it's really old fashioned. It's so funny. You say that because I was going to ask you that, because you've directed episodes and you know, you know, what it takes and what's expected of you, and they just hand

you this huge responsibility and say go. But they you can really see in this episode, like the filmmaking, the way they set up the players, the actors in a semicircle in front of the camera and everybody kind of gets there. There's shots where Cason is standing kind of like this. Yeah, and there's the only reason you would be standing like this to get into this. You be in the shot. It's like, yeah, I think that the you know, I think maybe that was yeah, like the

style of directing back then. Yeah, No, I think it just was. It's also you know, we we we shot on film back then, in one camera shooting film, and it was expensive. You didn't have time to just mess around when I shot My only only directed one episode. Hopefully they'll do some more this this year. But we shot with three cameras. Oh my gosh. We would have our a camera that is, you know, my certain hero shot,

this is what I'm really looking for. But then I would have a camera like the heck over there somewhere getting just big white shot that I could cut away too, and then maybe some off angle thing over here as well, and we just shoot and you just this episode a big deal or you never call cut. You just kind of just go, okay, let's go and do it again, you know, reset, do it again, reset, do it again. It was just like you just nowadays you have so much more freedom to just kind of play. Back then,

it was really structured. It was like a formula, and you as the director were expected to deliver the shots that they required, you know, and they made it very very clear, you have to do a master and then we want singles, doubles over the shoulders and that's it. We don't want any like our sea stuff over over single single, move on single single. Yeah, yeah, we sho we shove to work at at Morrow's place and the

marks would be on the floor already. Back then that would have bothered me, But now I kind of appreciate that and like, you know, just tell me where to stand, what you want me to say, what you want me to wear. I'm good, let's go kind of kind of agree. It's like, you know where I can see it anywhere? Ye back to back to episode Sorry we Digressed. Donna I felt like had a great um sort of moment

in this episode. You know, she wasn't featured as strongly in the earlier episodes, and her character starting to sort of grow some great momentum with her like Mary not marriage, relationship with David, and now with her whole point of view kind of opposite of what her mom's point of view about this sex subject, but at the same time still maintaining her values which aren't dissimilar to her mom's. But she doesn't like the way. I don't think she likes the way her mom is presenting it to the

other kids. It came across as she was actually more thoughtful about it then her mother. Her mother was just kind of rigid about it. This is the way it is, this is the way it needs to stay. And Donna was more this is a choice that I've made and that I'm going to stick with. That's really interesting because I um as a mom now of teens, I see that from a whole different perspective. You're not there yet, but we'll see you like you can as a teen, a parent of a team. You can't be black and white.

You can't be so rigid and expect certain things from your kids. You have to be flexible and willing to let them guide you. Sometimes and really open your eyes to different ways of looking at things, And I think that's really cool. Yeah, I'm terrified and looking for at the same time. Yeah. My best has two daughters and who are in their twenties now. When they were Eloise's age, they were great, just the sweetest all the way up until they were about twelve, and then they became monsters

about nineteen. I just terrified of that, I know. But here's the thing, here's my here's my only words of wisdom K give you on parenting. Don't say that again. I don't say that ever again. Don't even think it because you're going to create it in the universe. No, I get you, and you know I always just not She's not. She is a really at seven or eight. She's very thoughtful and she's very excuse me, she's very

sensitive to other people. That's good. Well, it could change it, could, you know, alter it will you know, show up in different shades. But even when she rolls her eyes at you and sass is back at you, you know that doesn't mean that she's a bad girl. You know. It's such a delicate thing. So um, I wanted to make sure we say something about Kelly's journey on in this episode that we came out. It's just at the end

of that last conversation. Is that something that is a you know that this idea that she was thought of as easy is that? Was that a recurring theme with his character? Was it a constant theme with her? Yeah, from came up or was it always know from the very beginning that was her role was the kind of girl that slept around people thought that she slept around. Um, she was just very in the beginning, like you know,

the bad girl, the bitch a Beverly Hills. And we worked really hard through the years to get her those layers of depth to see why she was the way she was and and learn a lot about that kind of thing. And um, you're starting to really see the shades, all the shades of Kelly and what her journey has been now. And I think this is um one of my favorite scenes, that scene with Andrea and Kelly. Um,

it was there. Those two characters have such complete different personalities and perspectives, but this was a cool coming together of two different worlds, and I thought it was had had a big impact in Kelly, even as I think at the end of it like. Um, Andrea says, why I wish we had done this sooner or something, and Kelly or Kelly we could have met in the middle, And Kelly says, I think we just did so I

thought that wasn't really interesting. Yeah it was. It was for someone just watching this episode as a one off, um with you know, kind of a tangential understanding of the show. Um, it was the very vulnerable moment for you. Yeah. I liked it. I liked it a lot, Like that's a scene that I think I'll be proud, proud of forever. Yeah. Um,

you know something that you will probably appreciate. Because my co host Tori doesn't claims to not ever notice this, but I noticed it not just in my show or our show, but in every show when there's a boom in the shot. Did you did you see any booms when you were watching it? You didn't see any booms in the whole episode. No, I don't don't see that kind of stuff. I should if I'm directing, but I don't. I will see it in my own in my own directing.

Either someone else say there was a boom that shot, I was like, I didn't see it because I'm looking at I'm looking at the people. I'm not looking at you know what I mean. I'm watching the performances. I'm not watching and as as a viewer, I'm watching the performances. I'm not paying attention too much too So there was a boom in that shot. There was a boom. No, not in that shot, but there. I do a thing

every week where I have a boom count. There were at least at least two that I could see, and in my internet connection was bad, so there might have been a lot more than two, but there was definitely two. In fact, there was one scene in particular where the boom was basically in the whole scene, just banging out. The sushi scene when they're eating sushi. Yeah, remember when Kelly and David and their parents are having sushi and they're sitting like on the floor. That scene, there's a

little boom dangling at the top the whole time. You gotta go back and watch it now because you'll fly, you know, I'll just paint that stuff out. It's so key to do um, to do uh you know, computer you know what do you call it? Yeah, it's so cheap to do computer effects. Now they'll just paint it out. They don't have that now. Yeah, you know what, that's funny. I'm working on a movie and I yesterday I heard the executive producer shouting out like it doesn't matter, we'll

paint it out. And then I heard and I was like, what does that mean? I don't understand that. And then later I heard her say, we don't want to be painting everything out so that, you know, we have to just get this right, and like it's a bit something they think about. Now. Yeah, we had an actor who who had something. I don't know what happened to his eye, but his whole eye, the white of his eye was

completely red. It wasn't paint eye. It was something he like broke a blood vessel as I working out or something crazy like that. It's whole I was red painted it out every view. Could they grant? Could they paint us out? Nah? So I don't really care. Maybe after we're dead. I'm worried. I don't know. I'm worried. I feel it coming. So they haven't got it yet. Play video game. You'll see now they don't have it yet.

There's something creepy about animated that's trying to look like there's a name for it as well, where you with something that's almost human and it's actually creepier than I hate it all. I don't like it. It freaks out. Look right, everything just just we're we're good enough and recognizing ourselves that we're not. We're not. We're better at recognizing ourselves than we are recreating ourselves. So right now we're safe, thank god. Phew. Okay, what about the flush hangar,

the cliffhanger? I don't remember the cliffhanger? Oh, the pregnancy, My mom my momst Jackie Taylor comes in and says she's pregnant. The whole episode is focused on teens and pregnancy and being from using condoms. Then my mother walks in the room and says, I'm bringing it single. I'm good, what's big deal? So what? She's not married, she's a recovering addict. She just met this guy. And this guy that she's dating is mel Silver, who is David on

the show that the sort of dork character David. The Donna's boyfriend is David's father, David The Wait Donna's Brian Austin Green's roll Brian Okay, yeah, yeaheah, Okay, it's only the really engine of that. So, yeah, Kelly hates it that her mom is dating David's Okay, so it's a big deal. It's a big cliffhanger moment. So you can watch. Yes, we definitely do. So let's take a break and when we come back, we will talk about fashion and best

lines from the show and maybe play a little game. Okay, alright, So Grant, are you like a fashion e star? You into fashion? I had a feeling like the worst, the worst about it, Like if I could just wear the same shirt every single day, I would. Okay, I like that, I can I can see that. But so do you do you like when you're working and you get dressed up as characters and shows like do you like dressing?

And as other people? I used to hate hated I hated it on the Rose Place tasty because I don't have any awareness of it and I don't have any skill at it. So it's like something that you're bad at is always really you know, it's just difficult. It's not your thing and you don't and you don't care about it. I don't care about it, And then that and because I'm not because I'm not caring because I

don't care about it. Because I don't care about it, I'm not good at because I'm not good at it, I have an a version to it and I don't care about it. It's like what we were talking about before. If you don't have passion for something, exactly into it more, I might actually like it. Well, I respect it, or

I kind of been right there with you, to be honest. Well, when I did Swing Town, which was a show set in the seventies and it was all kind of discoee and you know, it was all about that kind of glossy world, I really became a lot more aware of its impact. And I have a lot more respect for it now and I spend a lot more time with it now with Blake than I would have in the past.

I think, you know Blake like I do. Like with Blake's cloth, I let them kind of go through and pull a bunch of stuff and then when I and then I can just gonna go through the It's all good stuff, so I can't make a mistake. And I'm very meticulous about how how he dresses himself, as you should be. I think I think it's super important and you're right, like I wasn't as aware of it either.

When I was younger, I didn't appreciate the costume designer or there, you know, vision like the character, like his characters. I've decided that like my Blake is um pretty much a narcissist and um pompous because he just is meticulous about how he looks, and you know, like his hair is high and his and his tie is always perfect, and his cuffs are perfect and everything hangs exactly right, and it's fitted, really fitted, and he gets a haircut every single week. And you know, it's like he's that

person he you know, gets manicures. He cares about his appearance. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, but it's for It's not just it's not for it's for him. It's for himself. You know. It's well, yes, he knows that this is what people see and and it sells, and and it's he thinks that he's worth it and he needs other people that never at least worth it too. He is worth it, damn it. Yeah. You don't really really appreciate

fashion until you work with a great costume designer. And recently I worked with Mandy Line, who did b H nine or two one oh for us, and she was she was so incredible and just her you know, her vision and her passion for it was contagious and it really really changed my sort of perspective. So, but was there Did you happen to maybe have like a favorite fashion moment from this episode, like something that stood out to you that represented the nineties or that you hated

or loved. Yeah, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan was wearing a shirt. That's that really stood out to me. Dylan, Wait, I get the characters right, yes, Jason right? No, Brandon Brandon, Jason Brandon was wearing a shirt. Dylan was all kinds of like stuff that was so nighty, and Brandon was wearing this shirt with like almost Paisley dots. They weren't paid, but they were like, oh my gosh, that was so subtle, and it really irritated you know, didn't irritate me that

I just noticed it. Liked it. Remember when we used to wear stuff like that and then and then brand No, Dylan was wearing all kinds of like, you know, bad boy clothes. Yeah, nineties bad boy. It's funny that that shirt stood out to you because you know, notoriously like David's character and Steve. Steve's character always wore crazy clothes, so this episode, David was wearing like the ad must

insane polka dotted black man blouse. Yeah, somebody was. Somebody also had a a plaid, big billowy plaid shirt tucked into kind of billowy pants. Chief. I want to go to Steve's characters like it. Oh gosh, it's so good the fashion though. Okay, so uh. In honor of our amazing writers, we like to kind of quote um. Our favorite line from each episode show was, did you have a favorite line from want to go Shopping? That's Kelly's answer to everything. Yeah, that's who has to go shopping?

I remember exactly what it was was. It was either can we just go shopping? Do you don't you want to just go? What? Do you remember what it was? Yeah, let's go talk about sex anymore? Can we just go shopping? And then she just says something something, and then Kelly says, well, what it's good for the economy? Yeah right, she's right,

just doing her part. I loved okay. Well, another one of Kelly's ones manby laugh was um when she's talking to Brenda in the Hallway about her mom who her mom's dating, and her mom's dating a dentist, and she says, whose idea of a good time is a gun massage? I missed the actual massage part, like I didn't hear it for some reason. I just heard he's a dentist. I heard whose idea of a good time is blank? Well, he's a dentist. So I had to try to fill in myself, and gun massage is one of the things

I came up with. So really, wow, I don't I don't think they exist? Do That is what is a gum massage? Doesn't Have you ever gotten a gum massage from? Have someone tried to have pushed them away? No? Thank you, thank you. Another really cool line from this episode which a lot of people remember, and I would be remiss not to mention it was a line from Donna and

she says, it's a long one to brace yourself. If you have swimming pool in your backyard, you can tell your children not to go in it, You can even build a fence around it. But if you know that they're going to find a way into that water, don't you ink that you ought to teach the kids how to swim well and you know, like, yeah, that's probably the best line in the in the in the movie, in the in the episode, it's like so very true and very obvious. It's kind of the whole sums it

all up. Yes it fits, and you can't really deny it, no, because it really was. There was a lot there's a lot of good stuff in this episode, but this now is the part of the show that always kind of makes me cringe a little. Uh. We asked everyone, all of our guests to play like a little rapid fire kind of thing. Oh no, I'm gonna fail. You saw my memories terrible. I was hit on the head as a child. It's really really true. This is true. It was in a coma. They thought I was gonna die.

And my memory is as bad as memory can be. But go ahead. Oh no, no, no, I can't know. I want to talk about your your head injury. That's it. I told you. That's the story you got. But what hit you in the head? I felt it was OK, you get it. It It was probably nineteen let's say it was eight years old, was nineteen seventy. I had a shirt. I remember the shirt I was wearing. It was purple with white doves on it, little white doves all over it,

and it was puffy sleeve. And I was out playing with the kids were it was dust and we were running and I got ahead of myself and fell forward. You know kids do sometimes they run faster than they can run. They get ahead of themselves, and I fell forward. And I believe what happened is when I went to put my hand out, I stepped on my sleeve. My next one what came in step. So I took the fall with my forehead and you hit it right back here.

My skull broke back. Um. And anyway, when they took me to the as they were taking me to the hospital, I went into a coma and they didn't know what was wrong with me. I couldn't figure it out. They didn't have m rs back then, they didn't know. And it was several days before a specialist came in and kind of figured out what had happened. And they thought that one of my friends had given me drugs. They were like it was they were all over the map. I had no idea. That is insane, your poor mom,

I know. And part of the part of part of when I was in the coma, which wasn't I guess isn't really time with your comma. I went into like this other place where I was violent and I was punching and yelling and calling people horrible names and you know, just been terrified. They thought I was going to die. Well, I'm sure glad you didn't, cheese, and look at you now, like you should go see my doctor, doctor Amon and get your brain scanned. I would love to do that. Okay,

I'm gonna set it up to your gran. I'm not kidding. He does this great thing. He's in l A and he does this great thing called scan my Brain. He has people come in and you can do it privately or you can do it on his program Scan my Brain. But it is fascinating and he will see what the impact of that injury had on your brain and how that's affecting you now. But then what if he takes

away my excuse from my bad memory. Maybe it's just maybe I'm just you know exactly, well, he'll he'll solidify that and then you can still use that excuse, because I still use my excuse of my bad memory that I got run over by jet Ski. So did you? Yeah?

And I had my brain skin and he's like, yeah, I can see your conuction and I can see the impact of it, and he can and he can see the brain activity in your brain and where like if you're concussion was bad enough, there will be a lack of blood flow in your brain and a lack of activity which will really inhibit so many things, whether it's in your frontal look back like you know, super super

fascinating brain health. I'm going to give you his contact later, which I don't know, no idea when that's going to be. I definitely want to see him, definitely, Yes you should. Okay, um, okay, rapid fire. Okay, who is your favorite character from Beverly Hills nine or two one? Now? Brandon Brandon? Great answer. Since Kelly didn't end up on Team Jake, who should she have ended up with Team Brandon or Team Dylan. I feel like Dylan is more her her guy. Yeah,

you'd be surprised. There's quite a divide out there on this subject. Yeah, people are Team Brandon or Team Dylan. So you were killing good to know, Okay, but Jake made him. It was Jake. Jake should have like, but you were too young for Jake too. So there. You know, nowadays you'd probably go to jail. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, you'd be and jo. Um. Okay. The last question I think I'm gonna ask you is, uh, that's the worst one. Ready kissed Mary or kicked to the curb? Would who

would you marry? And who would you give the he ho to? Of the three women on the show, of any of the people you could be man, whatever is your thing? Whatever? Wow, that makes a little character character. Well, um, I don't remember everyone's name. That's okay, I'll help you. Okay, Um, give me the girl's names again. Just Kelly, Donna, and Kelly Donna, Brenda, Brenda Andrea. So Mary Andrea, Mary, Kelly kiss not Andrea, not on Brenda and kicked to the

curb Steve. Okay, good, but you see you did so good? Well you know what I mean. I was on the spot. I think I'm up with something. I love everything, Grant. It has been so much fun hanging out with you. I've really, I genuine only enjoyed our conversations. Me too, I really did so when this when I saw the email, It's like, great, I get to apologize. That's the first thing I thought, and then Secondly, UM think tonight, I'm not worrying about it anymore. I forgive you right, you

can tick that off around. But I really enjoyed Um talking to me. I think this is more than we've ever spoken to each other ever, and I really enjoyed it. I know. Well good, I'm so glad. Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming on and being my co host. Thank you for inviting me. So everyone out there be sure to watch Grant's amazing show Dynasty. It's uh Friday nights on the c W. Is that right? That's right? Or Netflix? Love it? Everyone,

here's your homework. Watch next week's episode, Um what is It? Season two, episode twenty two, Baby makes five A right? Everybody, go out and have a good week. Bye.