Sponge Worthy (“S3 E12, “Destiny Rides Again”)

was like exceptional. But I'm super happy to be here. Oh. I am glad you're back. We've missed you. The fans have missed you. The listeners, Oh my gosh, you guys, I've listened. You guys are awesome. You don't need me, But selfishly, I'm really happy to be back with you guys because I like doing this. Yeah, we just I mean, I've been trying. But if we need your perspective on a lot of things, Okay, I'm here for it. Okay, good. So you were working just away, working your little brains out.

Must be nice. Can you can I get a job? Oh my gosh, I must know I was happy doing that, but I do miss obviously being with you guys, being with the kids and like doing the stuff that like I don't know, doing this is like home, you know what I mean. So being back with you guys just feels like a certain like home that you can't recreate anywhere else. But I'm happy for the work. Oh, this is work, know that, But that you're talking about your work, that is work. Okay, good and this is got fun. Yes,

you are back for the best episode. I planned it that way. Imagine like you missed the big Siux Siue Scanlon's getting Touched by Uncle Creepy episode. You were really good in that one, by the way, um, thank you, um. Right, but we had talked to Sue Scanlon and we knew it was coming. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. The only really life changing things you missed were Dean Caine came on and Iron ZERI I Want, I Want So. I did not see Dean's episode, and I would have liked to

have said hi to him. Has been so long? Wait? Did you figure out where you had seen him? Me? Do you remember you were like I think I saw him. He was like Nope, never figured that out. I forgot did you even you didn't asking for oh man, then let's see. That's why I need you. Remember we were like, did you do a Christmas movie? Wait? Wait, wait, where was that? I was like a few years ago. Okay, still no idea, Jenny, did your name that tune? Air? Did we talk about it? I think we forgot to

say what happened? I didn't win. There you have it if you missed it. I beat me, but I gave him half the answer, half the winning answer, so it doesn't really count. That's my question. No, let's let's go if it was a tie. Okay, Well, I made some good money for my charity, for the Equis Foundation, and he made good money for his charity, which is a charity matt is something I can't even pronounce the name of.

But it was a good cause. And you got to go to Ireland, which we now couldn't talk about before but we can now because I mean we knew, we knew, but we didn't know what it was for. And they have some good makeup and hair people there, because you looked really good, like that was one of my fave looks. I was pleasantly surprised, but you never know. Yeah, well, Jane. She always looks amazing, so you know who doesn't. Oh

my gosh, it's so good Iron in this episode. His fashion is just so I'm representing all the boys in this episode who are tied it up. When we loved Into I was literally like, Jenny is wearing the perfect shirt for this because all the way to the top and in, everybody was in plood. Even Brandon had a terrible shirt in this episode. It was so terrible that he couldn't even in Um. You know, it just made

me feel like I totally am back. Amy is dissing Iron, but the fact is it's not really a diss because you love him, like you're so crushing on him. It's like the pigtail because I think he is the nicest, sweetest guy and he is one of my favorites on the show. Although he is a total ass in this episode, he is his peer Steve Sanders this is it, Yeah, always looking for a fav episode. His favorite episode this one, Yeah,

but talked about it for decades. The legacy. Oh, he's such a jerk in this episode, And I want to use a different word for jerk, but I'm not going to. Don't do it. We'll get in trouble. Really, we'll get in trouble from you. Okay, let's just let's just start in because I feel like Amy's got a lot to say. We have to do this, Okay, So we are talking about Season three, episode twelve, Destiny Rides Again, aired on

November four. Synopsis. Brenda has a run in with the past, which makes her question her current relationship with Dylan, while he makes a proper position to Kelly that will change their lives forever. Donna is considering taking a big step with David, and Steve puts his future in jeopardy by using the legacy key. Andrea is seriously injured in a hit and run accident, and Nick and get interviewed by Rosy o'donald. Directed by Christopher Hibbler, written by Darren Starr

and Jessica Klein. Okay, I don't know if I missed something, but Chris Hibbler was one of our faith remember him? He Chrisombler reminded us exactly, I can't imitate it, but who could? Was it? I and that could do the best Chris Hibbler imitation? Our director? It was it was and Brian. He looks exactly like without like that, Yeah he talked, right, do you remember far Marshall Bill when

I can't do anything? Because that was so color I think that he looked a little like Jim Carrey, right, so but yeah, the boys, we loved him all the time and made him do it and yeah you guys. Okay. So there's so much happening in the same state. There's so much First, Who's destiny? And why is she writing? Again? I don't understand the title? Oh yeah, right, Can each of you give me your overall take on this episode thirty years later, like I want to hear from both

of you separately, Like how did you feel coming? You know when the credits rolled at the end? You go first? This episode? The music I really responded to, Like, I actually this episode, I felt like I'm all aside from the video store, like which completely dates us, and people are like, my kids are like, what's that up? Um? Oh my god? I love it. It took me right back to my Blockbuster days. I was like, this, there's parts of it that could stand up like now like

teen dramas. And I was like, oh, the writing. I thought it was the writing, the characters, it was the direction obviously, Like I don't know. It was really good. I really loved it. Loved it. I loved the episode. I loved the episode. I you asked how I felt at the end when when the credits rolled, I felt sick to my stomach? People, Wow, Why because I felt happy? You? Okay, this is here's let's talk about this. There's a huge

divide not only in our country but on this podcast. Uh. With team Kelly and Dylan and Team Brenda Dylan, we are here to talk about the show, to watch it back, to have fun, have some you know, remember some great things, and share that stuff with you. Guys. None of us are here to like force our opinions on you are our points of view on anyone. But everybody's got their

opinion and everybody's entitled to it. And you know, all the comments on Instagram and it's we are so um grateful that you guys have such passion for the show and for the podcast. We can't even express how grateful we are. But we have to be nice to each other. I just want everybody to be kind in the comments. Have your opinions, let other people have their opinions, and that's the fun of it. And that's definitely I'm here

for my opinion and it is team Kelly. You are not afraid to show it, and that's what I love you. I haven't been here in a while, so I'm gonna go with team Madrea and just it's safe down the metal. Okay. So there's so many things happening, Let's save the best for last and start with Okay, so we're going to save the Andrea getting hit by a car for last. We're going to that first. Okay. Both are like, okay, how do you future? Okay? Is this when Andrea? Is

this one? Gabrielle had an operation and she what could She had both her legs operated on and was in a wheelchair on set for real z s And this is what I figured. This is it? Those little casts on her feet were real, That's what I figured. OMG, you remember more than me. I was probably very self involved in this moment and a lot of makeout scenes with David's. You didn't even know to run over by a car. I knew she no. I know because I watched myself a visiting art. But listen, I don't remember

the surgery in life. In real life. In real life, she had a surgery and she was that she was. They wrote it in which was awesome, but I felt so mad for Andrea, especially when the car hits her and there's that shot of her and she's like and it just hits her, and then she flies backwards like obviously it's not double flies backwards, and then they shoot over over her and say more little legs all twisted in the wrong directions. Can I ask what she had done?

I don't remember this saying this word. Oh my god, bunny knew I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. Why like it was bunyan's sorry the word I don't that's that's a word. We don't stay in my house that and um, but you don't say bunny. Stop it had a bunny in either of you had a bunion even if I had a bunion. Am I going to talk about it on on this nine? Yes? Yeah, because it's not just for old people anymore. Like everybody gets bunyan. I might have a daughter that has a bunyan see.

But but I'm sure people are thinking, sorry, I can't say it. Would you rather talk about a bunyan or a I feel like a war is you can't know, you can't say that I knew it though, you guys, it was way too random because it really was well came out of nowhere. It became a whole storyline in this because then you see how sweet Brandon is with her. Yeah, when she's crippled in the hospital, like, yeah, I did you guys notice, so he kisses her on the forehead.

He kisses her hand. To me, that was like the move of a twenty seven old or whatever. He was hand kiss and the forehead kiss. Yeah, I just feel like you went like moving for a kiss at all. Yeah. Yeah, they're just not affectionate like that. But it was very sweet, I thought, very sweet. And then they work in how everybody had been there to visit, and I'm fascinated. How long do these bunnies take to heal? A while? How long a while? You can't walk straight for summer? You

can't walk for six weeks? I don't think. What and why couldn't you wait for summer? I thought she was pregnant in real life. I don't think so I could be wrong. In a good chance I'm wrong, but that's how I am not. But I did. I had to watch the crash three times just too just because it's very fake. Did you guys feel it was realistic or so so fake? Yeah, that's why it was so good. Yeah, it was like, oh, they didn't have a lot of action on nine O two and oh and here's why.

Oh poor that to what I think is the dumbest storyline of this episode, which is the computer one. I love him, but he's being such an ass. He that's just this is Steve, always looking for a scam, always looking for an easy way to get in get out when something you know. But Herbert was adorable, Herbert, he was so cute, Dory. What did you think of this ridiculous storyline? Okay, so I've heard Iron talked about this storyline so many times. Speech he wanted to do like

that the flashback. He wanted it to be about legacy KEI and like more and more story. I was like, I didn't even remember that that And I was like, is it a big one? He's like it was Steve's biggest I don't know, where's like the egg, that's all I okay, Okay, we did the egg? Didn't they do the egg? Yeah? We didn't because we wanted But like he was like, this is the one and watching it back, I was like, I could have lost that. You know why,

I think with our two eyes. First of all, he just keeps saying, you're a major hacker, You're a hacker, Like don't you want to be a legit hacker? And I'm like, that's not hacking. He has the password, like he's just typing a password in well, IBM e S nine thousand, blah blah. It works with computers and only um and this is one of the few schools that it's on computer. Yeah, right then three decades ago. Yeah,

that really dated the show. Yeah. I laughed a little bit when he said do you want tickets to the Raiders because at the time the Raiders were in l a and and then gone and now in Vegas. Back to Oakland and Vegas, so that gave me a little show. I thought they were back. Sorry, sorry, it's the Rams, right that the Rams? Yeah, we've got the Chargers in the Rams. Question, it'll get real embarrassing, real fast. So I was actually came back, are you talking about sports?

Let's just getting riscue the part that I didn't like because you know, I love him like I do I love I and I and I kind of like Steve a lot, but he was really just being awful to the to the freshman buddy and manipulating him to too much of an extreme, Like I can deal with his like piggy stuff with girls and like, but it was just like, you're being such an ass and this guy is gonna probably get busted because you pressured him. I

don't know, it really bugged me. It felt a little pilot David Silver and Steve like yeah, yeah, Steve's not even Moore. Yeah. Like I literally wrote, Steve, oh sorry, just saying something. I literally wrote, Steve sucks suck, and that is a lot for me to write. Um. Can we talk about Donna and David please? Okay, that was

good stuff. That was good stuff. First I like to talk about Well, First, you guys show up in the video store and, um, do you remember when you did go to the video store in the nineties, do you remember there being an X rated section? Right? And you could, but it was there was no curtain on this one, and I felt like, WHOA, everybody's seeing what's happening? Do you guys have any memory of where that video store was?

Because it looked totally real. It didn't seem fake. I I want to say it was Unventura Blevard in Studio City, kind of where the pot Store is now, because it looked real, like just the way it was lit looked real. I remembers on a sidewalk craft service and then going in it was definitely Valley on the City. Okay, okay, you're probably right. But then I mean, this is perfect. You guys are in the X rated movie section and

then the priest walks up. I love these moments. Yeah, I mean, somebody must be must be writing this stuff. That was amazing funny that I like. I like a priest with a good sense of humor, very very useful. What do you think he was renting? Wondering? Yeah, because he was larking real close there to the you know what section? He was you know what? I was looking up because that actor went on to do a lot of things, right, he liked guns and he did twenty four.

But I'm looking it up so that I don't mess it up. Yeah, he went on to do a lot of things. Episode with you and in the dream scene, Oh but wait, let's talk about your bed spread first. Oh my god, Yes, was that a new exterior we're seeing of Donna's house too. I did not know. For me, it felt new, but I could be wrong. Different, It's maybe the one and see, you know, I don't wait we the priest in the store is different than the

later episode though, no same priest throughout this whole episode. Yeah, but okay later no, no, just kidding. And he was on twenty four also he was an airplane n C. I s the resident. This guy works so much, Gregory. It's in not a soap someone else I'm remembering. So what did you think watching back? Did you you don't want to talk about your bed spread? Or because I really do, I want to talk about your bed spread? And are hideous curtains just hideous curtains? What did you okay?

Walk in there? You didn't have obviously they just put that on there and you were stuck with all the flowers. They couldn't say anything. Then then we didn't came. Not at that point. It was very of the time that was considered beautifully decorated in the early nineties. Okay, So

I um watched it on my phone. I didn't have my glasses and was doing yeah, like multitasking and like, and I thought like, oh, I don't remember that, are we like making out like a better roses like American beauty, like that kind of sheep where we first And then I was like, oh crap, yeah yeah if I think your mom might have picked it out too bright. Yeah, how do you feel when you watch you and Brian make out? Now? Um, this is probably the first one

that I didn't feel like like, oh my god. I remember, I was just like enthralled. I really like the music, and I was able to detach myself and be like, oh my god, they're like a cool couple, like I've watched this. Um yeah in my in my head, I was like, oh, Stephan needs to rewatch this, she'll like like me and David. Then yeah, I definitely it was like, oh, cute, cute couple. I like it, and the kissing looks good, and David I found very ready to dude, what's next.

Let's just say I felt bad for the kid. Oh my god. I thought that Rosie O'Donnell's seen was a little bit forced. But I thought all four, meaning Brandon, Nikki, David, Donna, came across so charming, like all the couples came across so charming, And it was for like t ages watching. I mean, I think it was you saw a real life there. It was weird, the whole thing, her going

up with a microphone and asking teenagers about their sex life. Yeah, the the group there did handle it well and it made it less cringe E. I guess, Oh my gosh, Donna felt warm making out. Sorry, I'm I'm digressing to the Brian to me making out, I had the same note. He asks, how do you? What is it? He says warm? How you? How do you feel? She said warm? Yeah? It was like I was grossed out for my teenage, so like I didn't get too cringe. I wasn't cringe E.

I thought this was so oh. I wasn't sorry, Oh my god. I wasn't thinking that. I wasn't like, oh warm, I was like, she was like warm. I was not thinking. I didn't think that at all. I still thought it was to say warm anywhere referring to But now I just got it. She just met like warm. But they were making out like you feel like. I was like, yeah, it's back. My head didn't even go there. Of course, my head of Bertie just so like cute and innocent. She's so innocent, yes, And I thought it was sweet

he wants to spend the night. I felt like you should have let him spend the night, Like, I know you had your dream, but it's like it's all so harmless it is and your parents says your parents are out of town. Yeah, you know, like like what's whatever leave you? I don't know. I just feel like Fleece wouldn't leave. Oh you're right. I mean she didn't really care about me, but like worried about her stuff. Yeah,

she wouldn't. Just people think that today that storyline could work, meaning where the girl character is just really like no, no, no, no, no, you know, this is what I believe and there isn't even like this is what my parents taught me, you know, like sounds like yeah, no, I'm thinking about what I mean I think. I mean, I think that that, yes, that exists for girls that I don't. I have trouble believing that a teenage boy would wait like that. I

feel like it's interesting. I mean based on faith though. I mean I've actually I'm saying yes because I've met a boy and and two girls in the last year that we're waiting, and they've been together and it was faith based. So it happened. I think in life, it's really obviously television, Like do you think it's I'm trying to think if if I've even seen that on any shows in the last ten years, I don't know, but I love it. I love the Yeah, I didn't like

that he said I'm not going to wait. I'm probably not ready for marriage or however, however he said it for another ten years, I'm not gonna wait. And I was like, that made me sad, Like if he made he's thinking that to say that to Donna because they're like high school ten years sweeter time. But okay, see, okay, yes, agreed, But I was like, how do they like, how does he know they aren't going to like go to college and then get married right after college eighteen, he's seventeen, Like, like,

he's gonna wait till he's seven. I know he should, boy should wait to like their thirties to get married, But I just mean, like, I don't know if they're in a lot of people marry right out of high school. That's all. Yeah, it was a little harsh. I thought. I was like, oh, that's that's the one I would have heard. Maybe Donna was okay with it like I would have heard that and been like, what what do you mean? You ready for ten years? You would have

totally grabbed onto that. But you guys so excited for a virgin dream? Were you were? You're not excited with those little girls shooting with the little girls all white my Madonna moment. It was real cute. I loved that in the little He's sweet too, like I don't know, just you talking to a priest was sweet. It made

me feel warm. Take it back. I actually thought it was very realistic when you go to see father Chris after the dream in real, you know, in in real I r l because he knew you were you know, he played it so well, like he knew you were there for that reason, you know, because you said, how did you know? Well, you came, you're here, you've you've come to see me. I thought that was well done. I agree, Well, I previously saw you like renting porn with your boyfriend in a video store. By the way,

you should move to the other section. I think I rented the one you were looking for. But um strike that you can't say that a priest right, Just kidding, um am I being too like lame or cheesy to say, like it landed well on me as opposed to feeling like an after school special. How sometimes it feels that felt very you know, like natural, preachy. It was just very like authentic. It wasn't heavy handed the writing or the like point that they were getting across. It was

just kind of like respectful. And at the time, I remember that was a huge deal, the word condom, Like we were just starting to hear that word forever, Like I've never heard that word before the nineties, you know, And then that was the big old deal, like do you talk about this in school? Do you not talk about it? So again, I think it was very like for nine o two one oh to really cover it and be very in your face about it was right on point for the time for sure, agreed, jenk I

ask you a question. Uh So this episode Darren starred Jessica Klein. It was typically when Jessica wrote with her husband at the time, Steve Wasserman. Um, is this the first one just her like they were a writing team but also married, like her just writing by herself. I kind of feel like there's been other ones. It has Okay, I didn't know if I had missed one because I was interesting, Like, I feel like it had a good like female. I like, yeah, perspect in bart except for

the warm. Yeah, I think you're right because that warm didn't even bother. It felt uh authentic. Like Jenny said, it didn't feel like they were like, here's the message, here's the lesson. It just felt like everything was very flowy and we're like, okay, we're here, we're getting this. And they left it to Rosie o'donnalll, which was so random that Rosie o'donald show. I looked it up. She did not have her talk show yet, so she must have just sort of been an up and coming comic

getting more well known. I think the talk show came shortly after this. I don't want to be wrong. Someone like fact checked me, but I did look it up. I think No, her talk show was syndicated, so there was a reason it was her. No, I feel like really storied. Yeah, well, I appreciated that it was her, and I liked it the way they made her have that position on you know, condoms and HIV awareness and all that. Thought that that was a good way to do it. It was great. But imagine if it was

just random casting and she interviewed us. But she went on to have a talk show and she was definitely famous, but like, yeah, just a comic League of their Own at that point she let's find out. Yes, like, were you guys excited she was there? Do you remember because it was all happening at the time, the League of their Own? Yes, was right before this. You're right. Used to listen to the soundtrack to My Bassette Player. Wait. League of their Own had a good sound. It's so good.

This used to be my plague ground. I'm not gonna see, right, do you remember? Nope, you won't remember if not, this used. This used to be in playground. It's called it was Macdonna's song. Yeah, really cool that Rosie O'Donnell was in this. And then in My Communion que Dream, I was all in like lace and white like Madonna's video, like like when she was well pre Madonna before she was like major like material girl. Okay, so this is very interesting.

She was in a League of their Own then nine O one oh, then Sleepless in Seattle, which I remember her and Sleeping in Seattle. She was like Meg Ryan's best friend. And then she did a bunch of more movies and then then I think the talk show came in right around the same time. Interesting, how did she get that part she was friends with Darren? Yeah, maybe no, or maybe they just wanted to stand up comic for that bit, or it could just be that it was

probably a big get. Yeah gosh, yeah, because the talk show did not start till it says, so I was like three years later. Wow, I hope please don't yelp me if I've messed up these days. Who are you looking at? Well? I thoroughly enjoyed the David and Donna storyline this week. I feel like, let's take a break, yes, and then Rake, we'll take some deep breaths and then we'll talk about that. We'll be right back. Okay, let's start at the top. Okay, okay, because Reeks is back.

All the video stores. You gotta walk into mine, I mean, by the way, we're going to California and yeah, oh my gosh, that was so stressful. She had to pull that accent back out of her ass like right away. And I have to say it was better now. Her accident got better and better. It was good. You're right. I can't speak French, but can one of you say monsieur monsieur. You said it in the show, and okay,

fact I can't say that word. Couldn't then panicked when it was my line, couldn't do it during the France episodes like in Paris. Uh and if you notice, you hear it, but they don't aren't on my face because you had to dub it in I think I did. It's monsieur, monsieur, monsieur, monsieur, monsieur. Oh there's I think Tory got it. Wait toward do that again. Monsieur monsieur does not mean sure. Yeah, so like Mr Rick monsieur Rick, I only know monsieur because I'm thinking of the sandwich.

Oh no, no, no, that's that's madam, but that's monster, Oh, Madam croak. But there's a monsieur croak sandwich. Of course, I'm thinking about food. Let me alone. They did some very close close ups on Dean Kine's face, and he looked good. I wasn't crazy about the green T shirt rolled up, but like he looked good. Yeah, I was kind of happy to see him. I think they're together. They're cute because it's so light, you know what I mean, Like, I know, look for the team Brenda people here, I come, Oh,

dear heavy. She's dark with Dylan, but with Greek she was so happy and like fun. Yeah. Wait, has anyone ever said that you're right? Sometimes it's not meant to be and it's just your toxic together, right? They never held. It's always dramatic. I do not feel like they were. Brenda and Dylan were toxic. Wait okay, I feel like toxic is the right word. But it's not like they brought out the angst in each other a lot. They never saw I never there are very different people because

I couldn't seen a girl friend. A girlfriend could have said to Dylan, you're right, you don't need to take the test again because you didn't cheat. You didn't cheat, and I understand why this is so upsetting to you. Instead, she's always combative to him, you should take the test again. Uh. Well, in Brenda's defense, she was just reading the lines in the script. It's not real. Okay, Well it's real to me. And here's what I think. Um No, that that was

Brenda and you mean Shannon. It's not Shannon's fault, but that was Brenda. That's her. How they Yes, they were. Here's what I didn't like, and I'm sorry. You can write me. I get it. I'm a fan like you, so let me have my moment. She was so upset at Dylan for the same thing she had done, and Dylan even pointed it out, and she's so take me home, take me home, and always like But in that moment when he I was like, oh my god, God, okay, no, no, Dylan, not now, don't do it. Take a bass, don't do it.

I literally couldn't breathe, and I felt like I was going to throw up. Like I was so nervous in that moment that he was telling her because it was going to hurt her so much. And it did, and that's why she was mad, and that's why she wanted to go home. Like, imagine being told that after that when you were a teenager, true, what would have happened if you know your boyfriend like cheated on you but then you didn't know, But then like you would kiss

somebody like it happens. It happens in high school. I went are in high school. I was dating someone. I mean we only kissed, but like we're dating, you know, in high school, and they're like, well not nowadays, but back then, like we be my girlfriend and like cool, and that was it. You talked on the phone like you weren't really even boyfriend girlfriend, but we had kissed and um, and that's when my mom told me, make sure you don't what's the thing about give away the

cow and give away the old cows the character? You're welcome say that anymore. I don't think they said it. Then virginal Donna came from somewhere like my parents were like that, um, and I was like, mom, oh my god, I've always kissed him. And she was like I'm just saying and I was like, does she think I did

something else? I didn't. But one weekend I was sick and my best friend there was like a high school party, and she made out with my boyfriend and then he dubbed me and then and I had to see her in science on Monday, and she just passed me a note saying sorry. And then I was like, okay, I remember, I'm fine. No, that was dramatic. When someone does that,

that's like girlfriend code. You can't someone made a comment on the Instagram or there that uh that you just don't break that you you don't get with your best friend's boyfriend, and um, I agree, Like I agree with that after college like euphoria right now, guys, it doesn't matter the decade it happens after college. I think that cool rule is fair. But in our sorority, oh my god, you guys, if you kissed an essay and then another girl kissed that same essay, people would like lose their

and what are you saying? What is that word? Oh? It's hard word for hattie. I was like, I was like, is that the archaic word for my bay? What are you talking about? Didn't go to college for in real life? We don't know about that stuff. Don't compete. We didn't say that in the California the university like a popular their fraternity is at California University. Yeah, but it wasn't real.

So it would be like if a girl in the sorority kissed a boy in the s A house, then all of a sudden, if another girl and like, who even knows what would happen, Like I don't know, maybe it's just one kiss or a couple of kisses. If another girl in your same sorority kiss that same s a, it was like dramatic, Like yeah, that was mine, and it was like, you can't claim a dude for like in this case, they were they were serious, committed boyfriend

and girlfriend. Correct, I'm fine, fine, Fine, I'm just saying I feel like it happens as teens, like you hope it doesn't, but you're like still figuring stuff out. And I don't know, like as women as we progress and evolved, were like screw guys. Like women like that's are like our thing, but like you're just like your hormones were like developing. You're like boit crazy, like it happened and

you're just kids. Sorry, So I'm not shaming on either of Them's what I mean, Like Brenda or Kelly, So I mean dicey because Kelly and Brenda are best friends, so it is dicey. And and also Dylan's kind of toxic like Dylan for me, the one I'm getting, I'm

I leaned towards Brenda and Dylan all the time. Now watching this, I was like when when Kelly and Dylan kiss at the end when he comes into her room moments after breaking up with Brenda, I was like, I can't stand by this, I can't can we let the record show that Brenda broke up with Dylan, And what does it when you break up with somebody and then you have like a mash mash like a kiss, Like is that a goodbye kiss? Farewell? Make out? What? Yeah?

I don't know that. It was just further message people's heads. I think, are you talking about like when you've heard about like not in your teens, like twenties and thirties, when like they break up and then they have that one passionate last night. Yeah, like a goodbye. Oh my god. That's just to remind me of a story Heather Lockler told me about Tommy Lee. Tell us, tell us everything. It's not my story to Sharon, just like nope, God,

I want to know. You have to watch the documentary I've had happened to me where someone breaks up with you and then they like hook up with you, like in the moment, all in the same moment, and when I look back on it makes me want to vomit. Right, do they know what they're doing? Do they know that they're manipulating the situation? Very vomiting? Yeah, it is. But that's like the best kiss of the relationship. Is that one the good I hear allegedly allegedly. Yeah, so I

jumped around, but it's like I couldn't help myself. So, okay, what do you guys think of Brenda and Riek? I like them. I think it's so adorable how his hands are bigger than her entire head. When he kisses he gets her head and it's like a little baby I did her hands in his hands. Torn do you like them? What do you think of them? Okay? You know, I love Dean Kane personally, like he's the nicest guy, but like I never was, you know, I was never a fan of like them together. I don't know he at

the time. I was like, he's more like that frack clean cut boy look like, which was never my type. I mean, he reminded me of later seasons when Donna I'm gonna get in trouble now with fans. But when Donna and Joe dated, he was just so like goody, goody, clean guy, I don't know, boring, not my jam. You know what I couldn't help but think of, though, was when she tells him like, I'm as American as you, I'm flat and then like started out and then oh my gosh, you wait, have you been doing this? For

the last seven weeks or eight weeks? Is that your Brenda voice is that white people? She goes, I don't know what the heck. You can't wait, you guys, that's gonna be a meme and I hate Brenda meme of Amy going back. I don't hate Brenda, but sorry when she does it and Reek forgives her. I keep thinking about Dean Kaine saying the original script was he was so upset that she lied that he broke up with her. But then Shannon didn't like that a guest start this

his words, not mine, his words not mine. Wait, I missed this. You guys were gonna we were going to ask before I was gone, and then you asked him. Didn't see this part? Sorry, catch me out talks about it. So Shannon didn't like that a guest star would dump her. So that was true, that's his story, alleged. Okay, okay, I immediately thought of it because and then you guys, did you not think it was a little nuts When he's like, I liked Brenda dublos, but I could fall

in love with Brenda. She's thought it was just as weird as him taking her to the peach pit, like of all the gin joints, all the diners and all the then listen, it was just his yeah, his U c l a local video store and diner, and then Brenda just she caved right there at the peach pit counter in front of Nat and every buddy and Brandon and Nat were trying so hard, and Cindy was trying so hard. Oh my god, you guys. Sidebar. I don't

even remember wharing the episode this was. I think it was when Dylan comes over to talk to Jim about the S A T S and Cindy is wearing the golf eiser. I loved it. I loved her. I love That's my note for the fashion, because that's your jam, Cindy's golf outfit. I don't have a red. I couldn't even know what you would like because you, I mean, well, you single handedly have like brought back by the way.

I'm sorry, I'm sidebarring now. I really like your your golf out but the other day and Instagram, I'm sorry, I thought you were gonna actually hurt me. Yeah, I thought you were gonna kill me. Okay, okay, okay, I digress. You know me way too well. Okay, So for a moment. I it's not I hate it. It's like, you know what you do with your friends, You're always like, wait, how is she perceived? Wait? What does her body look like? Oh? God, you know, it's just like being a friend. So I

was like, wait, I don't know about this. And then you put a picture in Maryland and I was like, oh, she's a genius. I'm like, look what she's bringing back. It was people. Yeah, people, it was too long. I admit that I said that in the comments, but it was my really had in my closet to kind of achieve the look I was I was thinking of in

my head. I also thought, for a brief second, because she she's very aware of the sun, uh now, and she likes to cover herself, and like I'm always like like, if she could, she would have a head to toe body outfit in the sun like laruine gidget sorry already and saysn't even no, right, but there's no rule that you have to have a short skirt to go no, But she has great legs. Like I enjoy her outfits and this was Brent, That's all I like into it.

Schoolmark goes to the golf course exactly when but like, bring it back is to bring it back moment. Yeah, Now, if you ever wear that with a turnal neck when we go out, I'll be curious. Let's talk about it. So Brenda breaks up with Dylan, which I thought was a bit abrupt, sort of out of nowhere, like breaking up with him. It was so calm and level headed and grown up, just kind of weird. And then Helly's talking on the phone to Brenda like, did you immediately remember, oh,

this is where Dylan's gonna walk in? Or were you a little I didn't remember it at all, So how do you feel I didn't even know. I was like, oh, what is he doing there? No? Okay, get there so Fastrenda. And how did you get in the front door? No, no, I didn't hear. You didn't want to wake up the baby. It's really scary. So did you like it or did you not like it? It was a it was a move that was an aggressive move, I will say. And then his line was really aggressive. He said, Brenda said

we should start seeing other people. I think it's time I started seeing you. Swoon. I was I'm dead. I love it. So I feel like you don't lead with your ex's name when you want your gummer flinging to be your new girlfriend? Yeah, am I wrong? I was mad at Kelly, Like I was like, why are you letting this guy come in here and basically tell you how it's going to be a voice. You have a choice, she but I mean, obviously she has feelings for him

because she wanted the same thing that he did. But I don't know, there was just there's something in me that's not loving this. I mean, I feel for Kelly, I get it. I understand she's attracted to him, but I don't like this lying. And I just it's her best friend's boyfriend and they even if they just broke up, it's too soon. All correct, totally all accurate. I have a question in real life, this isn't real life? Way um, okay, how long did I Brend? Sorry, it's so confusing at

this point, it's all blurred for us. It's the same. It's life, um and the fans too. So Brenda and Dylan dated? How long do you think? I know? We blended school for sure, I know seasons, but like, yeah,

they say they never celebrate an anniversary anything. I don't think so I feel like I feel like Dylan really loves when he can like be the hero and not hero I mean, like the swooning guy and deliver his like which sultry lines, which we like, you don't like that line, but like you know what I mean, we

all go, oh god, yes, um um. And with Brenda, the honeymoon phase was over right, so we all know when you've been in our relationship for a long time, like sometimes it's hard to get back to that moment where you can like say things and the person is just like oh yeah, so but to him, it's a new relationship. So those lines that he used to use on Brenda that we were like, oh swoon or like Jake Kelly lines, like now we're like oh yeah, Like

that's why he's bringing those lines. And I know it sounds cheesy and it made rry, but like I kind of was here. I stay strong that Dylan and Brenda have never been the same since Brenda went a brit there, yes, since the burrito, since he wanted to eat that seven eleven burrito and she was like playing happy homemaker and

they've never come back from that. Yeah, I wish I wish back then, like it was like I wish we had an after hours like of like a real world where you've had like little cameras in each room and we know what else happened in that house. Because a burrito in a vacuum that's not enough to ruin a relationship. But it was the it was the bigger picture of that. This is my theory on it, that it was too much, too fast, too serious to adult when they are just

high school kids. So Dylan's kind of wants to have some fun and sort of live and be a teenager. Yeah, to me, that was the breaking point. I guess I personally would have been more interested in that relationship, like how did teens become like like happy homemakers and adults. But we saw a play out too quick, like they do a lot in nine OK, and they're just too young, Like I wanted to see like that breaking down of that. It was just like oh and then the switch just happened.

Yeah yeah, Yeah, she went to Paris, he went to the beach. Stuff went down all added up literally, Well, and that's very high school too. I mean if somebody went to camp for six weeks, their boyfriend couldn't take it, and it was like I went to break up. You want to camp for six weeks? You know what I mean? So it's like I never went to camp. I didn't go to camp either. We had more in common before we ever met. My dad wouldn't let me go. He said he missed me too much. I think he was scared, like,

what would happen to sleep away camp? Yeah he should really, Yeah, she goes down at sleep away camp, so I've heard. I've never been. None of my kids, one of my daughters went. My biggest worry when my niece is going to sleep away campus that they're going to get a tick. I don't really worry about anything else. Really, like you should be worrying about him. I mean, look, I thought it was awesome. I love that he walked in. I didn't love the red and the black, but I'm okay

with that. And I love that he said, what are you doing here? Hoping you paint? Like, oh my god, And you had just had that scene with your mom talking about I love how I'm like you, but you with your mom and you were bummed, like everyone has somebody and I don't have somebody, and what I want I can't have. So it was like, you have real feelings for him. You are torn why how old? How old is the baby at that point because the babies

cry in the other room. I'm sorry, I love that that scene by the baby, and it sounded like a newborn not even one. Yeah, the baby's like six months old. I was a newborn Croy, Am I wrong? Oh my god, I'm just trying to impress you. Like you noticed booms, I noticed the a d R. I don't think you nailed it. I didn't really notice. I just heard a baby crying. It's like and I was like, I feel like, you know, like six months of old babies, both of you.

What's your takeaway on this episode? I take always not good. Tell us, just tell us more. I just I feel like I feel like, uh, my character is doing something wrong. Like I feel like, do you think your judgment is clouded by all the people on our Instagram and the top thirty years ago? Because I know it's hard for you thirty years ago because people were like mad, people get mad at me for a long time. Wait, yeah, people are a little mad. But even then, Jen, not

that like this you really feel like? I really? Yes, there were always the Brenda camp and the Kelly camp and They've always been like real, real passionate about it, right, But I mean, I guess yeah. I'm just saying like we didn't have that connection with people like we do now on social media. So while you knew there was that, and that was hard, Like it wasn't like you could just like go online and be like, oh my god,

they said, we like it's like maddening. Yeah. But also like when I would go do autograph signings and stuff, and uh, I got a lot of comments I got I got to hear what the fans were saying that way, you know, like, were they Madden didn't want your audience? Did anyone ever throw a paint on you? That was gonna say? Did someone spit for some reason? I picture someone's spitting, but they spitting? No, she wasn't. It was like a fan conference. What are you talking about? Actually?

Did once? Now that you remember, I just there were people they would say, you know, um, I'm just here with her, I'm I'm team Brenda, or you know, you'll with me as salty as they could be without being too rude. So do Jenny and Kelly blur where like if someone's like, I'm team Brenda, does it do you feel it like in your heart, like you're like ouch, oh god, that would be so I don't even know. And as her breast friend, like I feel out too. Yeah, but just like just like Jonna, would you know what

I mean? Yeah? Do you think Shannon feels I want to know? I want to know. I know our listeners want to know. I want We've never asked asked that. I haven't asked that we on the show before, but we have never asked her to you know those specifically, is like aascinating to me because I'm trying to think of another TV show where someone like hates a character.

Do you know what I mean? Where they're like and does that actor does that actor feel like you guys Hassie and Maddie, the Blonde and the Brunette, I feel like nine o two and I inspired that now, I'm just kidding that Prest. When a character is like, you know, criticized, where it really impacts the actor? H Well, I was just young and and like so impressionable, and you know that's why it impacted me. I wouldn't impact me now, right,

you right, you're just like a teenager. Yeah, I didn't, And and our lines were so blurred off camera on camera with all of us together all the time. It's not going to ask you. I'm gonna ask you super hard question and I hope you'll answer. Do you think this is so? This is very hard. I'm even having a hard time asking it if I'm going to, because I have to. You have admitted that, even you know you you had special feelings for Luke. Do you think

that impacts how you feel about the storyline? And then like, is it all twisted up together? Because if somebody's like, yeah, I'm team Brenda, like are you like? Uh, I'm like I like him, and I like Dylan, and I like Luke, and I like this, I like working with him, and I like acting with and where it's just all swirled. Yes, it's all swirled. When someone says I'm team Brenda, I

don't get mad. I feel bad. So there's I'm because my character was best friends with that character, and I was friends with Shannon, even though we had our issues at at that time in our life, we were still maids. We were you know, in the trenches together doing the show. Uh, So I would I feel bad and and it's a big blurry, hot mess inside of me yeah, do you think nine O two one oh? Because it was so big and it's still I mean, there's five comments on

the Instagram talking about this. Do you think more than other shows, television and real life really blurred together. I think that because this show was appointment TV, you had to sit in front of your TV and watch it, and most of the time you watched it with a group of friends or your family, and it was a

big deal. And then you had to wait a whole another week to watch it again, to to connect with your those characters again who you started to really invest in, started to love or dislike or I wonder what's going to happen to them Because there was that time in between, it made them invest even more, like grab onto those characters even more, And so I feel like it was different then I don't. Yeah, it makes sense because it's

what Tori said. When people criticize Kelly Tori as Tori spelling, it hurts her heart because of her friendship with you. So Tori is admitting it's all blurred because really they're not even talking about you, Jenny. They're like, Kelly sucks and Tori's heart hurts. Yeah, No, I take it personally too, like you can't. I couldn't. I could not because it

was so confusing then. But our real personas as friends, castmates like have blurred for thirty years, like it's more than like we film and then that's it, it's you know. But I also they had like no connection in with us, which is worse I think now because have you guys had this happen? You watch a movie and you're like, oh my god, that guy's so cool, he's so hot,

or that girl is so like cool. I wish I was sort of like not really wish, but like you have, like you're like, I'm totally sucked in this movie, and then you go on their Instagram and you're like, like you know too much about the person? Yeah, so am I getting in trouble now? He's twenty five? I'm like, am I going to get in trouble for like perving on like some young guy? But so have you guys seen that new Spider Man movie? Spider Man No Way

Home was in dat and Tom Holland I watched. I was like, Wow, Tom Holland is like the hottest one. And I still was like, but tell me, Maguire was my generation, so whatever, and they're all three in it this one. So but anyway, afterwards, I went on his Instagram and I was like, he's British, Like I didn't. My daughter's like yeah, and I was like I had no idea. And then like he was kind of like he's cool and nerdy, but like I was like, he's

totally different. Um So it changed my not my opinion, but it wasn't when I was envisioning and then going away and being like a star, because because they couldn't, they saw like maybe a shot at us, and we're like maybe a paparazzi once, but not like now on social media and you see people every day and you're like, noope, that's why if someone's so overexposed and you don't see their movie. Wait, did both of you see it? This movie? Okay? I took a picture of this scene to show you guys,

and I forgot. I'll send it. She works at a diner like and do you have you know, it's kind of like a fifties inspired diner, like coffee donuts, like whatever, but it's not huge. She's wearing the same colors as what Nat and Brandon more and uniforms. Is that exact blue and that exact like purple like burgundy burgundy, but it's like big, like it's cool like modern day. Sorry, maybe us that maybe they used the peach pit as like inspiration, not around it though, it's like this one not.

And of course my kids when I said it, they were like, it's not all about your show, mom, Like that was from thirty years ago. Nobody cares about your show the future film, Mom, like that was a TV show. But I was like, keep you humble, it's so true. But I was like, you don't know the costume designer.

Maybe I was a generation or his generation and us, and like maybe it was a week for them personally, and the kids don't know why they were why she was dressed in that color, but maybe so anyway, I'll send it to you guys. So before we go, I have one more question for both of you. Do you feel nervous for what the response will be on the instagram to not just like you guys talking she said that, but to the episode is the instagram on gener kids say that to you? Because mind ut with me like

take the out of everything? No I do I say it just to annoy them. I say I need to go on the line, look up something. Do you feel nervous about what's coming? Because Jenny and I think Tori remembers more. But Jenny, I warn you, like it gets worse. Yes, I have sweaty armpits right now just thinking about it. You so will you? Yeah? Like it'll be you know. I want you guys to read the comments. I mean I read every single one, but it's like, I don't

really interesting. It makes you feel I have to be honest. I was reading them earlier today because I read them a few days ago, and then I wanted to brush up on them and I showed them to my husband and I was like, what, you know, I want to address this. I want to say the right thing. Yeah, And he was like, who cares, it's thirty years ago. I said, oh okay, yeah, but I love that you both care. You're both totally invested. Yeah, like I'm warm right now. My mind's just a hot flash now, very

different than then. But yeah, you're in a different way, different way now. But um wait, I had a point I forgot. Oh, so you think I know so much? Third season? I don't think I do well. I don't like I have no idea what's coming? What? What? What? Yeah? I think it's in like three weeks. I know what you're talking. I'm not going to tell you, do you know? I don't know. Do I ever know? I rely on you to remember things. Now we have a shoot. Okay, shoot,

no clue, good thing. We're watching the show back. Oh my god, I definitely know. I'll tell you when we get there. I think it was around this time, like personally, no, maybe not, yeah, Like we were both in like young loves that weren't like good for us, so we're probably

checked out. I just remember that just being so much emotional strife inside of me because there was so much anticipation, uh for this to happen in the script, and then when we would be on the day when we would be shooting, like say specifically this scene where he was over and they kissed, like there was just so much build up and so much tension around it that I remember it feeling like a really big deal and it

wasn't It wasn't real. It was it was It was a lot for uh, a young gal to assess, you know, and try to keep on my feet on the ground or to remember it's not real, or too remember that none of it really matters because there was just so much importance put on it, and there still is killing me. Do you remember like being this young and like outside boyfriends were married by this time? No, not yet no, no,

um being jealous of your on screen? Oh yeah boyfriend, Yes, I but I but even literally today I was being amy for a moment. Sorry, I have a question. I'm very intrigued. Literally today we this is we were watching. I was watching the show in bed. My husband came in, sat down for a few minutes. At the very end, saw the kiss scene got up, and I was like, I walked out of the still to this day. He Oh, he's still a little jealousy because his thirty years ago.

Who cares? Is Actually maybe he wasn't He was barely born then, but yeah, I don't think it was even alive. Yeah, well he was like what he was crazy? Should we take a little break, you guys, And yeah, I think it's a much time to go. We have to come back. We'll come back with their little fashion situation. All right, ladies, fashion dudes, and don't who loved what? I still love Nikki? Well we know you guys hate the fashion. This one I'd loved her black sort of acidy wash, tid eyed jeans.

I just think every time she nails it on the fashion, I just smashed school. There were so many patterns, there were so many plaids. I felt very like tortured, like what's happening with everyone's wardrobe? But felt very even Herbert, Yeah, with a little ponytail. It felt a little like there was a different person this. So what is that like? Fashion? Like I keep saying that I'm like someone else, because we did have quite a number of costumers over the years.

When when Donna had a red and black skirt that I thought was adorable and you're like at school on the outside, Yeah, that was very cute. And I feel like David's shirt red and black stripe. Donna were at one point your advisor. No, that came out wrong. It's and they's visor was like a tight dress that was like like that, Um yeah, And I didn't love the outfits. I didn't feel like they sometimes kind of off character.

You know what I thought, I will say before we go, there's a scene and I think it's Donna and Kelly might be Brenda. You come out of school and you're wearing short pleaded cheerleader skirts almost I would call them. They were very cute and they are very in today.

It was so cute. Yes, it was Kelly, and you're each wearing them, these short little skirts, and those are when I like im back at a college campus for some reason, they're all wearing it football game days way to next season, because it's all the rage in college at California University. But yeah, that was so one point of like when we were young and like best friends, like you were that color. I'll wear this color, but the same, like my hants are skirt or top. Yeah,

I love it. And that was very cute. I thought it was very cute. What about favorite lines? I had a good line I am write down. Ah, it was I know mine. It was a Brandon line surprising, Okay, what are you doing here? I'm here to help you paint m hmm. I'm like, yeah you are. My favorite line was first rosy O'Donnell and now a priest. The whole world knows about our sex life. That was good. If you're ready, I am, I really am, he's really ready. Oh my gosh. Like today's TV shows like Sadly if

that was like a scene and like they were doing it. Nowadays, they would have put like a faux boner in there, you know what I mean, they really would have done that, Like, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I was like zooming in, but I couldn't. I thought the same thing. I literally was like watching that. You guys were making out in the bed and then you sit up and he's all sexually frustrated. I was looking for something like that. I respected his kitch. He's all, I have no diseases because neither of us

have done anything, and I have protection. Like he was really like, I've got this prepared. I'm ready. Oh I forgot about one thing, you guys when he said that and there because I feel like, I don't know, it could have gone a different way that that night if this were real life, like the TV show Like but um, I was like, oh my gosh, if that had gone a different way, they would have been each other's first and then they ended up getting married and been together

and that's such a sweet story. Yes, I agree, but I was like, wow, it was the first time I click. That was like because of Donna's actions, which I totally support. Um, it was a different way good, but and then he we know what happens later episodes, lose it to someone else. Spoiler it's getting juicy. It's juicy, and apparently it's getting to get juicier. So let us hear from you, Let let the comments fly. We want to we want to know,

and we want to represent. So if anybody out there wants to come on and give us their Team Brenda point of view, it's definite time, so we should do that. We'll do that in the next week or two for sure. Yes, but next week episode Rebel with a Cause, isn't it Rebel without a Cause? But this is right? So the plan words, it's going to be Dylan, right, obviously he's the rebel, like James Dean, I think. So I didn't know who the hell Destiny was in this week, so,

oh my god. For one moment, I was like the Brandon, Brandon's a rebel. I'm trying to remember. We'll find out. I'm trying to remember. I'll watch it, We'll see, We'll I'll find out. Together. We're so happy you're back to Our family is complete. Thank you. I love you, guys. I love you