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were you anything? They didn't do it in my high school. I went to an old girls school and they somehow didn't do it. But my mom likes to remind me that when she was in high school and she went to Beverly that she at the body, best body, best body. Yeah, they called the body. That was the thing all the time. And then she's like, and look what you kids did to me. And I was like, she's like I know, and she goes, I never had a butt before, and the doctor was like, that's from Victoria. And I never

realized that was a thing until after bow. And then I'm like, oh, look at big booty Judy coming down the line. Here. I am did I know your name was Victorian Booty, Judy boot That's what he does. He slaps me on the button and calls me big booty Judy. Your god given name is Victoria. What's your middle name? Davey, David? You listen? Jenny? Are you? Are you Jennifer? Yes? I am. What's your middle name? Eve? Oh? I knew that? Wait? And did you get what did you get? You didn't

go to high school? Amy? Wait? Did you have it all? Ever? To real high school? I dropped out when I was a sophomore junior. He didn't drop out. I dropped right out, just disappeared. No, didn't you do schools? Set school? We took the g D, and you stopped going. I took the g D. I just stopped going and then took the g D. Got my diploma. One day they were like, where is she? Where is she in the on TV? Look at me? Now? I remember? I wonder not hard?

I passed it. It's it's not hard. Let's just say I was a bad girl when I was that age, and I had gone out the night before and I was, you know, doing things I shouldn't have done at that age, maybe drinking some things and I had the worst hangover. I think I was actually still inebriated when I took the g D because I remember vividly, uh getting up in the middle. Was in classroom and there was full students.

I remember getting up in the middle of it, going to the bathroom, throwing up, coming back, finishing the test. That's called rallying, guys, and I am proud of you, thank you. That's probably the one only time I've done that. Rallied. That is no, I've been with you when you've done You're right, all right, I rally I rally man. So yeah, what did you get, Amy? What what was your type? Did you yeah? Wait, wait, wait, you want to take a guess, Jen, you want to go first. Well, I

don't think it was the laugh that's so nice. I don't think it was best whispers, most likely to interrupt. They get so mad and I'm going to work on that. Oh best hair, that's so nice. Now you get most likely to six seed what they were, And just just like that, you two are two pies in a pod. Actually, you know, did you get another one? I think I got. I don't know what I wunnderstand. What do you think you would have gotten and we got titles in high school.

Oh my gosh, I don't know. Um, I don't even know what the titles were. To be honest, quietest, biggest flirt. That that's what Tory would get in high school. You don't think you're well, excuse me? Are you? Are you mixing me up with Donna? You are Donna? I might have gotten biggest flirt at flirty. That's a good that's a good one. That's a good one. Do they have that? Is that a thing? I just don't know the terms anything, like they is still a thing they do this with

your kids. It's upsetting, Like if this is a thing on the way, you know what we had that they definitely do not have anymore in high school. At my high school, we had a rally and it was called a kissing rally and you could write a letter. So you were like, like, I got a friend in Her name is Jenny. She's really cool, she looks like a penny. I think she should come down and kiss Bob. He's

on the football team and he's a slob. Yeah. And then and then two people had to come down to the center and kiss Oh my gosh, well that that just that screams COVID. Wow, how was that a school that was supported pepper rally? But it was and everyone loved it. Yeah, but they also like put terms on people that were like made other people feel ashamed about that they didn't get like it was awful. Like when Kelly and Brenda were standing there and they're saying, who's

pretty prettiest? I was like, please don't pick Kelly, Please don't pick Kelly. That's so funny. I wonder if you didn't like it because you didn't go to high school. But I'm like, oh, this is just totally normal. Like we best eyes, best hair, best smile, biggest flirt. It made me feel like it best couple. But if you got nothing, what happened to nothing? There's like twenty things, and like my class had like two people in it.

I just I thought the award was embarrassing. Yeah, I was right with you, even though I was presenting it to you. So I just was like, this is great. I was like totally in the whole episode. I'm like, this is just great. Well, we're talking about episode Senior Pole aired ape y'all Synopsis, Brenda reconsiders her college choice most Beautiful Senior Kelly fears no one's looking beneath her surface. Steve forgets he's dateless when he shines at one of

l A's hippus venues. Directed by Chris Hibler and written by Chip Joe Hanson. Where we Where do we even begin? I think we begin with Steve, because I mean, obviously the Kelly stuff always want to jump to Steve every time, and my Ron, thank you for backing me up there, I thought, I don't. Yeah, it's okay, we can start with I mean I would have started with the opening sea of the episode, but sure, let's jump brand to Steve. That was the real forum, Okay, is the real venue

where the lads played back then? That part was so cool because it was an actual game. It was so crazy. I couldn't tell if it was if they Does anybody remember did he do that at a game? Can we should? I tell? I? Had it had to have been at Should I text him? Oh? My god? They met someone on the team. So I don't know any Lakers, but I was hoping they. First of all, Diane Canon, which

about why did they keep cutting to her? But she had like four close ups because she literally like back then she used to go to every Laker game, like she was always on camera the Lakers game. But you guys, that's Jennifer Grants mom. So she probably was like, yeah, of course I'm gonna let nine O two one oh film me because yeah, I was pretty I was like,

this is so cool. It was a real game, and I felt like they they used the parts of the real game, so they had like the whole stadium fully for for certain things, and then there were certain parts of its segments that they were able to do without the full crowd. It felt like they were you know, like production wise, they kind of planned it out like that, but it really did look real. And I was so excited when the Walsh cutaways looked like they did that

a different day. Yeah, what about when they went back to have their little hideaway, their little conversation in the back ay? How did they get backstage at the Forum and there was not a soul in there? Like that was just the way completely empty. You know. The director Chris Hibbler was probably like, this is like a man's dream, like not so direct, but to be able to be lying like this game and be directing and that's your job. And clearly Iron was at the game. Yeah, run around.

It reminds it was like when we went to the Rolling Stones concert. I know we'll get to it, but they filmed there and we got to actually be there, and this is like a live Lakers game and all of us, Wait, were you there? I think you were next to me. I think you were there. We went to a Rolling Stone concert. Oh it was pretty I don't think I was there. You. I feel like she would have to remember if she went to a she wasn't there. I remember being at Dave cause I'm quite

the same same thing Dave cause is still around. Yeah. Wait, okay, so a few questions. Did anyone think though when they did that? Okay, so they do the zoom in on Steve right, then they do the long one where it's further back. It didn't look like Iron to me. It was like, was that weird? Yeah? No, that was him. It was for who else is they going to get to stand there and look like, all right, I don't know what that part did not look like him. Maybe I'll go back and look. You wouldn't know you catch

things like that. I know, right sure, they used like a stand up. I don't know that's what I thought it looked like a body double when they did the what would you call that a wide shot? Wide shot? Yeah? Sure? But were you guys if you guys were bummed you didn't get to go? I probably wasn't at the time, if we probably weren't. The traffic to the Forum is terrible, but it looks so cool. They don't use that forum anymore, right, well now it's not for the Lakers, but they have

concerts there. It does exist. The exact same building looks the same, but it's just not the Lakers. It's so iconic that building. And Chick her and so so he died, I think, but Chick Heern was the voice of the Lakers. He was on the show. And then now by if you ever go to Staples Center, I think it's called something else. Now it's called Crypto. There's so many bird names. Now it's called what now crypto? I don't like that at all. It's terrible. And there's Chicker and court they

named the street after him. On the street. Yes, I've gotten stuck on that street so many times in traffic. I was looking for Paula Abdul. I was like, where's Paula? Good? What about when um uh Okay, So when they're at the school and then they're talking about going to the to them when they're Ian and Jason are doing that walk and talk down the hall, I mean Steven Brandon, um,

and uh, they're they're talking. First of all. First of all, they're talking about like first Brenda and Brandon are talking about the senior pole, and she kind of gets him to confess that he voted for himself for something. Yeah, most like Succeedeah. Did you see when Brandon kind of I mean Jayson, I don't know what to say, Brandon slash Jason. Uh, he broke care number one? Remember when number one? Uh started laughing. No, I didn't see this

what happened. It was so cute because they were walking and talking and um, Steve's line was something of it's supposed to be a red letter day, and it really really sounded like he he said accidentally a red leather day. And us laughing at it. It just makes and I could see him trying to pull it together, and somehow Iron kept going because it's all in one shot. Iron kept going, and Jason was like all right, and he

got back into it and stopped laughing. But I was like I've been in that position so many times, right where you like, I'm gonna lose it, They're gonna laugh, I'm gonna laugh. Oh my god, I have that. That's such a good catch. It's cute. But then Steve says, make sure to bring a condom. Feeling lucky tonight. That was safe, that's true. True. I'm sure they worked it in because they probably wanted to promote condom use at the time, but like it was still brody. There was

another condom moment in this episode. I think I was a little confused when Kelly and Dylan are whooping it up in his house and then she goes back to her person. What I saw that I couldn't figure out because it was you, like, were you getting him a condom or were you going to Like I didn't get it. It was a little misleading because like, I'm not sure what you she said. Did she say something like better

safe than sorry? Yes, it was definitely a suggestion that they were going to have sex, but they're very safe about it. Okay, But why did she have to go back to her person get it? Doesn't he just didn't have it at this point. Maybe that was the easiest way to acknowledge it. But I was trying to think, like what could could you just pull it out of a drawer that is really weird, not like a boyfriend girlfriend situation. That's like a you're a girl and you're

on a date and the it might happen. So he put it out. Yeah, Like I think of as like the director wanted to see that last like a last moment on Kelly of being kind of like feeling not great about it or something. I don't know, but it just didn't really work for me. Obviously, they nine O two one oh wants to make sure every moment they can that they are acknowledging these people have safe sex. Yeah,

it was in the nineties, you know. That was when it was all about safe sex and found them awareness and passing out condoms and schools was the first thing happening. So there's a lot of talk of sex. Like my high school experience was. I mean, I didn't have sex in high school, I'm not afraid to say, but no one cares. But anyway, so the people that we're having sex never talked about it, probably to anyone but each other.

Like it was not I don't think two dudes would have ever walked down the high school that hallway in my high school and been like, let's get some ladies to night. Let's bring some condoms because I'm gonna get lucky. Like no, and like, nobody in high school is having sex on a one night stand. I mean in my high school. But I like that was for the girls that were like way together. Agreed. Yeah, I don't remember.

I don't know what it's I mean, having a daughter in high school now, I'm like, oh god, I don't want to watch. And sex was a big issue for Dylan and Kelly in this episode, Yes, it was. I mean she's really feeling like he only likes her for her body and for the thing she does on the mattress, which I never get that vibe from him at all. H Yeah, but she's not feeling great right now. He's like a little I think he's a little are sexualized with Kelly than he felt like he was with Brenda. Definitely,

I'm wrong, right, That's definite. It just felt like, Yeah, they're always fighting. In the beginning, in the first half of the episode, I was like, oh my god, these two are doomed. They they're always fighting. Yeah, I mean this let's dig into the Kelly stuff then. All right. So, so I was wrong last week because I thought the Eating Disorder story was ending. I do now think it's ending. But what did you think of that opening where you're

a group therapy. I just really appreciated the giant eating disorder sign outside the door, like they opened on it. I was like, Wow, okay, just announced it to the world. They wouldn't have a giant sign that says eating disorder. The girl telling her story, she was really good, very offense. Yeah, I liked her. Yeah, I remember that they got though. There were a few girls in that circle that were actually patients of a certain place, and they agreed to

be a part of it. I remember, wow like that. Yeah, it was heavy. It is heavy. This episode was primarily very heavy with with for Kelly. I felt like they were really I don't know if this was a decision or not, but it felt like they were really redeeming Kelly, like trying to redeemed Kelly because so many people hated her for stealing Dylan and that was so polarizing, you know, And I, for one, like I was on the knot.

I wasn't a big fan of Kelly. But this episode kind of made me feel for her again, which I think was their intention. And you know, it's interesting, so you're talking about you're talking about fans viewers because oh wow, So do you think that that actually could have impacted storyline? I don't know. I mean, I don't know how they got feedback from the audience or I don't know how they because there was no social media. There was no way for the audience to like say what they thought

right away. People write letters back then, but maybe internally too, they just figured we had to go this direction, so we need to at the end. Yeah, the second half of the episode, she really started to be redeemed, and you really did feel the connection between Kelly and Dylan. And this is the episode where he says, soulmate, we'll get to that. That seems really powerful. Okay, so it is very easy to persuade. Kelly's got her wrapped around her finger. It's obvious. But she's so cute the way

that she's getting out of a little showered. So one thing is Jackie is almost more prominent than Jim and Cindy in the last few episodes. Really, Jackie is a major character right now. Yeah, I don't know, It's it's just me. I just always love when Jackie's on the screen because she just I don't know, I just like watching her working with her so and so vibrant, like every time she enters. She just like, what have I seen for a woman who was a little older to

be very no makeup getting out of the shower? That cotton ball got a lot of work. I mean, she's but that was like a very unique scene. I thought, gosh, and I was wondering too, like while I was watching it, like why why they have her get Why would they have her in the shower? Why they have her get out of the shower? I mean, and then I thought, well, you know what, it makes it really feel very authentic and real, and I liked the way it was it felt, but it just I was at first, I was like,

why is she in the shower? It was such an interesting choice, but it was like so real. A mom and daughter definitely talk in the bathroom like that, and people take showers apparently with blue. A lot of blue blue in that bathroom, A lot of blue towels. Maybe have something to do with Kelly being voted most Pretty and how Kelly feels about herself and it's all about her physically, her appearance. And then there's Jackie, you know,

just a real moment. Maybe do you think a mom would have let their daughter out of the group that easily? I wouldn't. I mean, I yeah, I'm a little bit too much like Jackie. I'm very easy to persuade when it comes to my kids. So but not after one time? You wouldn't, right, No, I would. I would be like it wasn't bad, was it? You know, like, oh, yeah, you don't want to go, okay, let me talk to your dad. Fine. I guess I would too. I don't know.

I I would try, like twice at least. Yeah, maybe that's a good idea, like just try one more time. In this episode, we do see and the landed normal like it. It played authentically to me the impact that Jackie had on Kelly and maybe the damage that Jackie was doing, because I did think, oh, this is weird that she said, oh you have no eyelashes and very pale skin, and like we hadn't really seen that before, but I do. I could see a mom that's a

model really messing up their kidal intentionally. Yeah, she didn't want to you have to be a mom that's a model to mess up your kid. Yeah, it's really see it happens from every most moms out there. I'm sure in some way we'll mess up our kids and not even think we're doing it. Yeah, say something little and not really notice it or see the impact that it has on them. So hard. What do you guys think of Jackie and Kelly like that dynamic? I love them together.

I feel like I just felt really bad for Kelly, especially during all that part where she was trying to get ready and she was feeling so insecure and self conscious. Um, I felt, you know, it's so hard to love yourself at all anyway, It's really hard. That concept of loving yourself the way you are is really hard for some people. Um. And I think that it's really a lot harder for people who are put in that category of being pretty or being being something or someone that people look at.

It's it just feels a lot different when the focus is all on your appearance. It's hard for you to not focus on your appearance and that the importance of it. And I could relate with Kelly and I've felt like that before, Like it's not a good feeling and it and it doesn't make it. People can tell you, oh you're so pretty or your whatever this that it doesn't make it any easier for you to love yourself. So true. Yeah, she was really struggling with that. I often feel like

Kelly's the mom and Jackie's the daughter. I feel like it's kind of mixed up. I like their relationship. I love you guys together, like it's magic on screen, you guys working together, but it's I always want like I wish Kelly would just have could do like a kid swap parents swap, be with have Cindy for a while. She would love that, right. It would have probably done a lot to heal some wounds that she's had just from.

And I felt for Jackie too, because she was really looking inside too in this episode and acknowledging the impact that she had on her you know, daughter, and and all the mistakes that she must have made along the way. Like I felt my heart broke for her a little

bit too. H It's interesting to compare in this specific episode Jackie and Kelly and then Jim and Cindy and Brenda who are also having I guess you could call a bit of a conflict, but it's so the Walsh conflict is so like it's like nothing, know what I mean, Like Brendo maybe wants to go to school back home, she needs fifty dollars, like she didn't tell them, and then they are so the way they approach it, it's so different, you know, Like think about that conflict. There

was no yelling. It was all it was all like from love and talking and like we want you to go to school wherever you want, just come to us. And then like Brandon opens up to Jim about the gambling, like they just are so Minnesota parents versus Beverly Hills parents. I was when I was watching Kelly and Jackie, I was like, I'm seeing a lot of similarities in my household. With this household like that we have. There's there were three girls growing up now there's only one girl still

in the house. But and me, and I'm just a girl, like I don't know what I'm doing. And a lot of time when there's a conflict or like there's a tough spot, it's like everybody just starts like me included, like I'm not very good when it comes to being more like Cindy Walsh. I guess. Yeah, I don't think anybody is. Tori. Do you think you're more like Jackie

or more like Cindy in real life? As I was like Cindy for many years, but now that I'm getting older, like the Jackie's coming out, you've got five now you've got no time for Cindy. The patients. Yeah, I used to have the patience of a saint. Everything would be handled like this, and I hear you and I understand and I know what you're feeling. But it was like very therapy. Talked to the kids. I think that worked well.

I never raised my voice, And now like they start arguing and I'm just like, ah, yeah, it's just losers. Oh my god. Yeah, I hate it when they argue the kids. Oh my god, that's the worst, the worst. My kids still do it. And I'm like, you guys are going to send me to the hospital. I can't handle this. And you couldn't just like walk away because they usually do it in your space, like do it

in front of you because they want you to do something. Yeah, I'm sort of thinking about Jackie versus Cindy and ultimately, like is one a better mom than another? You know what? Cindy's got her own issues because I was a Cindy for a long time, and when you repress your voice and you just keep everything down, it somehow comes out at some point, and not in a healthy way. So like there's gotta be moments where Cindy wants to just

like be like yeah, like well, and I kind of understand. Mean, it's that tricky thing where Jackie thinks she's helping Kelly, helping her look better, helping her with her makeup, and like it's the only way she knows to help her though, well, and she might be even was right like maybe do you know what I'm saying, Like, but how do you help a kid without making them feel like they don't

look right? How do you do that? It's so hard no matter because just in my own experience, it's even currently like whatever I say or whatever suggestion I have, I don't know how it's going to be received. So it kind of almost even stops me from saying anything because I don't want to get in her head in a way that wasn't already there, like you know what I mean, like the two perspectives, because you see that in the big blow up where she's saying, you made

me get a nose job. You begged for the nose job. You know, you didn't give me a cake or something. You made me go on weight watchers. Like. It was these two perspectives where I'm sure Kelly did ask for the nose job, you know what I mean, like, and then Jackie gave it to her because she thought that's what she wanted, like, but in giving it to her,

she solidified Kelly's belief that she needed it right. So it's just like and then saying, oh, if Kelly said, oh I ate this cake, I feel like I should lose some weight, her mom was probably trying to be helpful and saying, oh, I just did this great program called weight Watchers and you could do it too. It'll be fun like, and then in Kelly's mind that was like, oh I need weight Watchers. I'm I'm overweight, you know.

Like you know, if you're trying to be helpful with your teenage daughter, it's really tricky because they have to figure it all out themselves. I just try to stand back at this point and let them come to me and not offer any advice or tips or anything until I feel it's a safe space. The nose job combos giving me PTSD. I wanted to ask I wanted to ask you that, but I didn't. I wanted to. I'm glad you are opening the door for me. Yeah, we'll

talk about it. Did it like? I don't know, but I feel like I didn't even feel it watching it, But hearing you talk about it now, I'm like, did my dad say something to the writers about this situation? Because it was it was a constant kind of we didn't fight in our house, like, everyone just like kept their feelings inside. And then I almost quiet and happy. And even if you weren't, so it was it was not good. No one ever yelled. I never heard my

parents fight my entire life. Um, but yeah, it's it's a constant thing that I always I perceived it as my mom wanted me to get a nose job. My mom perceives it that I asked, you know, for a nose job. So it's two different stories, but but the same thing. That's the same thing, right, which it was, and probably both are true, knowing just the way the world works. Oh wait, what what? Amy whispering again? Whispering? Um No, I think I think I told you guys

this story that it came. It never came out that I felt this way or there was anything between us until um in eleventh grade, I had a class, like a health class, and it was Mrs Wildflower. She was like this hippie, dippy perfect name, of course, right, and we had to write down one thing in a paper that we hadn't told anyone before that really heard us and made us upset that we were angry about but hadn't expressed it, and just write in a paper and

get it out and give it to her. And she ended up calling my mom, which was I felt like, oh my god, she betrayed me and I didn't know to My mom called me in the bathroom. She's like, I got a call from Mrs Wildflower and she read me your paper. And I'm really hurt because I didn't make you get a nose job. I didn't tell you you weren't pretty. I didn't do any of this, and

you know, we'll never know what it was. But also I was a young girl, and it's how I heard it, no matter what she said, like you're saying, it's perceived differently. So she was horrified and hysterically crying. I was hysterically crying. Mrs Wildflower did a good thing. We got to talk it out, and she was like, I never felt this way. I thought you were you know, I think you're beautiful. I thought you were beautiful before you didn't have to get a nose job. So anyway, I'm wondering where this

story came from. WHOA Like wow? But anyhow, I would say it was a good lesson though, because when my daughters talk about their parents, I just don't say a word because you know, I'm like, whatever you want, if you feel, if you think it looks good, it looks good. Like I'm so careful. Like you said, Jenny, you don't know what to say. I just don't say anything because how it really transpired and it was perceived apparently wrong in my mind. But I don't know. No, I don't know, Jenny,

what do you think I would have? I think both can be true, meaning both are true. You probably maybe did want it, but then she probably didn't say the right thing or not. Sometimes mom's effort up too Yeah, I mean we're not perfect. Yeah, or maybe they I don't know. I'm trying to get inside Jackie's head. Maybe like she thought Kelly would be happier, do you know

what I'm saying. So maybe she did put that on to her saying you can get a nose job, because maybe she thought she had expressed it so many times that she Yeah, maybe it doesn't come from a bad place of wanting to change your kid, but maybe you're thinking, let me give my kid I think it is. Yeah, but then okay, so right, so then I can totally relate to this that I won't go into detail, but um, the you want the kid. You want your kid to feel confident and like go out there with their best

foot forward. And this is a tough life. And if that's what they need and you have the ability to provide it for them, and and you know, you're like, whoa, Okay, why not. If that's gonna that's gonna help my child, then that's what I'll do. But on the other hand, you're supposed to be giving them the message of unconditional love and love yourself the way you are and you're perfect just the way you are, and go out in the world and conquer it that way. So what's you

is the right way? You're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't. I don't know. You're right, I don't know either. You know, it makes me think, is of the four of you, Kelly, Donna, Andrea, Brenda, who do you think is the most comfortable in who they are? Andrea? Yeah, I think so what do you think, Jenny? I like Brenda was very comfortable and who she was. No, no, no,

it's to me it's Andrea. I never really haven't seen Brenda like look in the mirror and feel self conscious or feel like I've never seen that on the show yet. I've seen that with Andrea. That happens. Cameria has it a little bit, but Brenda is I think has her things. I mean even right now, she wants to go home. She feels like she doesn't have these close friends here and she's like wants to go back home. That just

comes from like insecurity in the whole situation. She I mean, I'd want to go home too, that all this had happened to me. Yeah, But Jenna asked in right there and didn't get picked the prettiest girl, like I'd be like Sea Beverly jents. Right though they don't really ever show her struggling with her appearance or how she looked like, no, no, you're right, color her hair look. Yeah, it's true she

and she doesn't really blame herself. Well maybe a little bit like just if she would have gone over to the hotel room that night, then things with Dylan Helly would be different. But she's nevers a little bit of a narcissist, right, how so because she somehow makes the situations about her often? Is it okay to say this? Of course? Yeah, And I think sorry, I've been I've been reading a lot about narcissists lately, and it's not always what you think because there's like five there's many

different types of narcissists. You could be like the sweet, sweet kind narcissists, Like I feel like she does often make things about her and it's about like, I don't know, so maybe she doesn't always have moments where she feels insecure because she feels entitled, she feels you know, kind of a little bit. Yeah, I'm so scared of that title. I'm so scared of that word narcissist. Like I have issues with that word because I've used it. I know

people that I'm pretty sure narcissist um. But it's such there's so many different facets to a narcissist. There's so many different ways that you can be one, or that you can or you're not one, like you know what I mean, Like I get I get really nervous with that term now because who's to say I'm not a narcissist? Like if someone someone could look at me and think I'm a narcissist or or and then how is it okay I'm looking at someone else to either narcissists? Does

that make me a narcissist? Like, you know, it's I mean, we could do. I've been studying it a lot lately. And did you know that there's like a one percent in every single one of us, so we all have minor it's all varying, you know, degrees. It's it's a definite spectrum with narcissism. And again there's many different kinds. There's the kind sweet narcissist that you were like, Oh,

I always thought narcissist meant this bad bad. It's not always like that, but I just mean, I don't know, Yeah, you're right, I guess it came up for me because I'm just like, I'm just gonna be an. I don't think either of you are because you always care about how the other person feels, meaning even just the three of us, and narcissist typically wouldn't. It's not that they don't even think about it, right, it's not. It's not a purpose, it's just ingrained in them. Yeah, I mean

you're always you guys from the research I've been doing. Yeah, I don't think why are you doing? I just want to learn about it. But I don't think any of us are. But I don't think so either, because we get so upset if we think somebody else is feeling No, did I make you feel? No, we do their actions the three of us where it's like, that wasn't my intention. Let me figure let's figure that out. Every single one of us does that. But what I started to think

about when you said that Tori is Brandon versus Brenda. Yes, if I had to say, Brandon is like the EmPATH. He's always trying to like solve the problem, take care of everybody, make his sister like she goes to him for the fifty bucks. He doesn't even have the fifty bucks. He's trying to figure it out, so he does. He is the one that gets the less attention a lot. He's okay with that though. Yeah, they would be interesting

for a therapist to like analyze. That would be kind of cool to get a therapist to come on the show to analyze the characters. Yeah, we do it like that. We have to get a we have to find a therapist. So if someone's listening that really knows the show, yeah, because Dr Drew, it would be fascinating to analyze Kelly and Jackie and I think Tory Donna and uh, what's your mom? Felice Felice. I think there's a lot coming with Felice. Yeah, there is. Yeah, going back to the show,

I felt like, um, what you said last week? Well two things what you said last week? Amy about um the sort of um, uh, what's it called? When you see ahead? I'm blanking? Do you see what? Foreshadowing? Thank you? Of Brandon and Kelly. I felt like there was even more there this week, like a little flirty exchanges with them. Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering. I have no idea does that come soon later? What season does that happen? Because I know what happens,

but not soon. It's not super so. So they're just developing a really nice, sweet close friendship right right, because it's not like when that does happen, all they have to get to know each other, they are going a date, like, no, they're way past that stuff. So though I did at the end really feel prime Kelly and Dylan like now they're really in a groove and like you see, because we haven't talked about the scene at the kid at the at the park or the playground, because that was

first of all amazing performance by both they. It was I felt like that scene was compelling, Like I watched it and I was actually like, I like the scene and I can kind of remember doing it. Well, how could you not? It was night, so obviously you shot all night. And Luke Perry is eight. He is really amazing, like he is such a good actor. Mm hmm, I just remember it was it felt very like it was just the two of us out there because I that

I didn't. I felt like there was no crew when we were doing that scene, and it was very like we were allowed to just go where we wanted to go. There was no like set blocking that we had to do for camera angles, and they weren't worried about the lights blocking us. It was more about what we were saying and the emotions that the characters were going through. I remember feeling a lot of freedom with that scene, is just as far as like what what what are

we going to get out of the scene? Who knows? Like, let's seecause I was a little bit more raw, Like there was some parts where you you couldn't even totally see Kelly's face. Maybe I'm trying to remember. I think you're in a black dress in that scene. Yeah, and I didn't have any shoes on either, which you know, you just can't have shoes on when you're just dealing with so much emotional that she had to lose those shoes and I was just walking around barefoot in that

grass and night. I was like, oh my gosh, you must have been cold. But yeah, I did love that scene. I felt like before that though, I was like, what the F is these problems? Like she's on such a rant all the time, Like God, she was irritating me. Because that sort of made me understand her on a different level. It is that the first time they acknowledge that the phone call saved him. I think that and then you saying yeah, and I just wanted to hear

your voice. So it's almost like you saved you save each other. Yeah, that line made me. I feel like they do this a lot with Dylan and Kelly. They like put them out there, like you were saying, like there's the observatory, there's the pool at night, there's this scene, and it's really cool. It's like them against the world. They're totally in a different universe, the soulmates, and it's I love that they do this. Yeah, I'm thinking, Tory, that's a good point. I'm thinking about it. We don't

see that with the are cast as much. Those one on one intimate, dark, gritty you're outdoors somewhere totally removed from the world really with just the two of them, always at night. It's really cool. We get a lot of David and Donna scenes with the two of them,

but it's always very right. But these are all see too like deep, you know, it's they set the mood moody and dark, and it's too like really flawed characters like that have come together to and and find that comfort in one another because nobody else can really relate to the depths of their you know, what they've in their mind, what their faults are. And I feel like they relate on such a deep level that that they

don't really do that with the other characters. You're right, but I feel like at that end when when they when they took the picture of um they finally took the picture her for the senior pole thing best couple or whatever it was, umty, we see like we I don't know. For me, I just saw the way Dylan loved Kelly, like I could feel how much he loved her, and that made me love her again, and that just that last moment. Yeah, I I sort of hoped you have that picture somewhere in a frame like that was

on the same way. I don't. I don't have that picture, but oh my god, that I can. But if someone does have it, let us know. Did anybody have a moment? I mean, and I don't. I don't know if this is just me where it was like Dylan and Kelly, but it was Luke and Jenny. I thought, oh, that's a picture of Luke and Jenny too. I have felt at the very end of the show like I felt

like that was us. Yeah, yeah, agreed, it didn't You know, when you're making it, you don't really think about it because you're trying to I don't know what you're You're just in the moment of the scene, and but you it does gets blurred and I feel like that was one of the moments when it felt really blurry for me. But it was so heartwarming and like I miss I miss that, miss those moments, right, And when she said I just wanted to hear your voice like that, I

that was so accurate. M hmm. I'm the show is ringing it out of me. I tell you. Sometimes it's just like too much. Yeah, it takes takes me back when I stopped like the episode, I'm like, what year is it? A little bit like I really can get into Yeah, you m I kind of love how it is for you both re watching it. I will say this, though, you were right. Kelly's hair does look darker again this week.

I noticed it now, not almost just a little what's the like a toner, It had like it had highs and lows, Like it felt like there was low lights and highlights. Maybe it was, you know, when we would go and do our movies of the week River and they would we color our hair or whatever we would do to it. Maybe this was after we came back from one of those Oh I wonder okay, wait wait wait, so if this aired in April we had then could it be over Christmas break and you have been doing

a movie maybe the last episode? Yeah, it was like the first episode back from a break. Tory and I were talking Jenny before. The fashion wasn't super nothing stood out to me, although you had for the yearbook photos like Brandon in that suit. I actually liked Brandon in that suit better than Dylan in that tux. To me, Dylan looked better at the end when he was just

being Dylan. I'm of the outfits when Donna and David were announcing on on the stage, like, your little color coordinated striped outfit was so cute with he kind of looked yeah, but it was like a blazer dress box. It was like a fitted one. Right, that was cute, going I'm going back on imad And I loved your dress in the first scene, like that felt we got it. Oh that's like Kelly, that felt you. That felt like you in real life at the time. Yeah, like long dress.

Now like you're Daniel Steele's how do I can you guys see it yet? Oh? There we go? Now star Star is my hair darker. Oh my god, let's look at her hair, man, I'm pulling it out. Whoa, Oh my god. This first one, wasn't it. You had done a couple episodes of melrose Place, and then you also were doing Lies of the Heart, the story of Lori Kellogg. But that seems a little later. Oh god, you're being choked by that man. I'm being choked by that man. Who is now my How to even explain that? Who

is that? Gregory Harrison did a lifetime Moviegory Harrison. Uh? And yeah? And who is he? Agen? He is now my ex husband's soon to your father in law. It's so weird. I made out with I made out with basically my ex husband's new fiancee's dad. I'm trying to think of a time when you all will be together. I mean, your hair here is a little bit warmer than your natural Kelly hare and maybe you were just like I want to be a little different than Kelly

in this movie. And so they put a rinse on it or something, and then it was still kind of in there when it came out. Mystery solved. Mystery solved. I'm more fascinated. And when all the all the all those people you just talked about will be together, and I think it'll be at your kid's weddings. Oh my gosh, I'm there for that. Whoa. And then without consent that's coming to that seems not too good either. They are all very dramatic without consent. Who was in that one?

Was that Johnny Galecky? Yeah, I'm so good. And then this is Mr Schoviz, I got you ulling for you. You have the short hair, so that's later. We don't have that yet. Who's that? It was that Rob Bestie's. No Williams was in that? Oh my god? Wait, was that when you were a piano player? No? That was star Okay, okay, I think she was. Yeah, she was a singer. Daniel Steele. She's Oh my god, that's that's that's like major to like being a Daniel Steele movie.

Back then, that was like everything. Sorry, I've read every Daniel Steel book. I love her. It was definitely fun. Ah good. Kids now would be like, who's Daniel Steel? Yeah, they don't even know who we are, so, oh my god, you know what I've had to be Oh god, it's at this point lately because you get that blank stare and someone will be like I know you, And then like the kids were and I said, oh, don't worry your mom's I'm sure your mom's a fan. Yeah, you've

just embraced that now I do. I'm embarrassed that they're just like and they and they look at their parents or look at whoever they're with, like how do you know when I was like that, like your your mom's a fan, that's why. Just let me know each other. Or this kid at the airport was screaming, excuse me. His voice was so loud and it was early morning, just gone off the longest light ever, and he was, excuse me, my dad's a huge fan. I get a picture. And I was like, yes, yes me, yes, yes, my dad.

I'm like, yeah, take a picture of the old girl here that used to bother but doesn't father me anymore like that. You know when that first started happening, I remember, I was like whoa, whoa wa, whoa whoa. Oh. Remember when we first started talking about how we didn't get the looks anymore from a certain age of men, that they just remember that that you're invisible. Yes, Remember I

told you. I was driving and I was like honking and then he looked out and he saw blondeer and he looked over and saw it was me, and he's like and just kept driving. He was I think they're going to get something great from Like I was devastated, and Jen's like, yeah, this is what's happening. I was like, no. And we had it very we wanted to write about it. At some points we're like, God, it's such a thing, like you, it's a transition for I forgot to tell

you guys my idea. You never told a special podcast you were going to Texas and you never do. I think take it to the text, yeah, because I don't want to reveal it, because what if it is so good we have a private OMG text yea, Chaine, take it to the next I'm gonna take it to the text. Okay, what are we doing next week? It is episode twenty six. She came in through the bathroom window. That's a take on a famous movie, right. Uh. He came in through

the back door. No, that's that's different. That's a poor And you saw she gave it through the speaking of old Jed. That was a real knee slapper. Oh my god, crying. I think we gotta wrap on that I can't do it anymore. Watch it, Cocker, cocker, She said, come on the movie. I can't. Oh my god, we crack us up. I don't know if we crack you up, but oh my god, it's going to laugh with you guys every week. That I gotta tell you. I need it, We all need.

Everybody out there has a good laugh. Please do that has a good week. We love you, Love you. My mom's a huge fan. My god, your mom's going to hear this. That's even more embarrassing by gus By