Silver Lining (S2 E7, “Camping Trip”)

I don't know, it just happens. There's holidays. We mark things by holidays, birthdays, things like that. Well, speaking of birth days, Stella had a birthday. Oh my goodness, daughter turned what thirteen? Fourteen thirteen? And this is yeah, this is what you warned me about. You said, just wait, just wait till they become teenagers. And I think you met girls because you've got girls, and yeah, I don't really know anything about boys. It's happening. It's happening. Oh,

send her to me, Send her to me. Oh, she wouldn't like that, she because because from afar. She thinks you're just the best, and I'm not, like, Aunt Jenny's the best. But imagine a week in your house. I remember when we were shooting our movie, our movie, our show in Canada and one time you had me take Stella home early, and like we had dinner together and hung out and watched a show together. She she was

she didn't really know what to do with me. She was like kind of scared and kind of defiant at the same time, kind of like I'll do whatever I want. You're not the boss of me. But she liked me too. She loves you. Do you remember when Liam and Stella were younger and you had them over for a sleepover? No, I don't remember that. What happened the house? Okay? What house you u? I don't know what house you were in?

How old house from Uh? It was when we were doing Mystery Girls and Liam and Stella wanted to sleep over with Fiona. They were young. It was like what six years ago, um, and you had them all over and you gave them their first turkey dog because we're meat eaters and you gave him then and they don't need healthy so they probably were like, what are you guy,

and you're like a turkey. Dogs they had and somehow Liam got his foot closed in the Remember in the trams in the pool couch was the trampline, same spring. Why didn't take in the in the trampoline springs? Yeah, okay, that's it. That was so I did good job. I did it. I was great with them. They had the best time, and then you were like you had the

worst sleep. You got to set really tired because you were like, I knew like all night, I was just like, I'm so I feel responsible for her kids, and I just like all night I kept like waking up like are they okay? And you kept checking on him. That's why I love you. Yeah, we should have another sleepover. Would be a little different now than they're teenagers, though, Oh my goodness. They would just wanna game and play on their phones and was it happy right? Net you

have a party? Would you guys? Do nothing yet? Because I was working so I wasn't with her during the day. We went for sushi at night. But she wants she's up sessed, Okay, you guys, So she's obsessed with Harry Potter and um, do you know who Tom Felton is? Oh really, he's already have this conversation. He's malfolly. We didn't have this. Oh my god, we totally talked about on the podcast of the podcast. Yeah, I remember, and I remember not really knowing right now that I remember

something and you don't. Oh my god, you guys. Thirty years later, she wins. She wins the prize of finally remembering something first before me. Character. Yeah, so anyway, wait, we have this conversation. What did I say, Because she's obsessed with us, with him, and that you were going to get her cameo. My life, Sorry, my life. I can't believe. Yeah, but I can't because it's six hundred dollars Tom Felton's charging for for a second Cameo And I understand he's a big, big star. But that's good.

I go on Instagram and try d ming him and see if you can work out a deal. You guys, I'm pathetic. I contacted Cameo and they were like, well paying his because he's the European team, well paying them the international team. No response to the ping, and then I don't know, it's like the new version of slide into my DM, like now just it's like ping mead of hit me. It's paying me now, it's maybe just on the app baby one more time? So I can't keep up from the cameo. You only paying someone on

a cameo? Oh no, I think it's other things, right, Sis, Like I don't know. You can don't ping on Instagram. Not a lady lady on the golf course say I'll ping you. And I was like, oh with the No, it's it's different platforms. I can't keep up. But yeah, so I d m him, I painted him. I've done everything except like flash my boobies and pray that he'll like that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what to do. I'm very I'm very sad about it. Just

get her some get her. Oh my daughter was in Harry Potter for a second, like a year ago and into him really and she has a Oh we should do this. One of her friends had a blanket made for her with his face on it. Oh yeah, that's a good one. And you know where the blankets are made with faces because you've done it. Okay, I'm gonna ask you after Yeah, but we're going to Universal Studios to Harry Potter World next week. Anyway, Tom fellon, just got way too much airtime. Let's move on. She tested

him so mad stick center dollars. Well that is a lot. Well, let's talk about the episode, shall we Shall we just get right into it for a minute, because I do it's exciting things in store a little bit later. But we are moving on to episode seven of season two, Camping Trip, air date August nine. Synopsis. The gang decides to take an end of the summer trip to Yosemite, but an unexpected downpour of rain strands them next to a couple of Newlywoods who seemed to be going through

a storm themselves. Directed by Jeffrey Melman, written by the lovely Karen Rosen and Darren Starr, starring us the whole cast. Could you imagine if we read all the names of all the actors in the show, we would really as Brandon Walsh, let's read the list of all of our fellow castmates who have not come on our podcast, starting with Jason Priestley, followed by Shannon Doherty, Iron's earring, Luke Perry, obviously, Brian Austin Green, Carol Potter. Oh no, she was right,

we haven't had that cose either. We have to have your crush, your man crush. I can't wait to see him. Oh my gosh, we gotta do that sooner than later. Just as a gift to you and Gab. Obviously we skipped Gab Gab because she's been on and I remember Gab who said last week the slap was real. We buried that headline from episode six. How did this come about? You?

Texted her? She confirmed what happened. As she confirmed, she said it was real and she learned a lot on that show because what she thought, she said, she went into it thinking like, you know, it's not real, or you disc us it, but there was no discussion, and then it happened and it was very real and very hard and she learned a lot on that show. And then I said, oh, can you tell more? And she said, not on the podcast, but I'll tell you in Jen

in real life. I cannot believe it wasn't discussed and it was shocking. Yeah. Oh, and a fan reminded us that you had a slap on the show, Vanessa, Marcel slapped you in a later episode. Do you remember. We haven't gotten to that episode. I haven't watched it. I have no I know, it's just we're talking about slaps. Yeah, you'd think I remember something like that. Maybe when you see it it will jog your memory. And I wonder if you guys discussed it. I hope so, I hope

it comes back to me, the slap. This episode starts out with I love the whole casual friendship vibe that is like brewing at the Walsh at Castle Walsh before we all depart on our Yosemite adventure. Everybody seems so happy and excited and and it's so cute how you're

overpacked and Steve's busting you. He's like he's like travel Nazi with a poofy hair do, Like he's really his hair was higher than I've ever seen it in this episode and shocking that I was overpacked because I don't do that in real life, right, BFF doing funny, not at all. I don't know how you actually get your suitcases zipped closed. I don't know how that ever happens.

It takes more work to to zip my suitcases than it does for me to get into my three pairs of spinks daily, Like literally, it's so I'm sweating afterwards, I'm sitting on it. I have my kids sit on it. It's heart and he yanks out the shoulder pads of all things. Those are you like, you need shoulder pads at Yosemite? And I'm like, shoulder pad before b b J, Yes, b b J O instead of p b J B

b J. You're not a sandwich people. No. Yeah. So they they hit the road and they sing their songs and it's so cute and I'm really glad that Dylan goes along with them on the me too. Then they get to the cabin. The cabin, so you know, they were like, we don't have it in the budget to film it Yosemite, so we're gonna stick them in a cabin and we're gonna make it work. There's a reason there's a rain storm. And then we're going to film

it on a set. Okay, so they built do you remember did they build those cabin sets on our stages? They did. They did, And for some reason, I just remember I can picture right now. It was really hot in that cabin and we were supposed to be really cold. It was so hot and we were all in there for we filmed those scenes like an entire day. That was maybe the least fun ever. Was that really it looked fun. I know, I wanted to be well. They were all kind of turning on each other at one point.

It was like or the flies for a minute, like, m hmm, it happens after a long drive. Yeah, cranky. They were a little soggy. They didn't have any good snacks. No, alcohol doesn't sound fun. Um And he was super afraid of the spider and she was really cute about that. Yeah, it was interesting that Brenda just went into action. None of the boys offered to help. It was Brenda who

went to kill the spider. You know, she she was giving off some some mom vibes like Red Potter ribes take care of things this episode, she was mom, and you're right, but you know what what I saw the boom three times and I felt like I was I was catching a prize instantly. Everybody always right in and tell me because it's my obsession. Now three times obsession, I never I don't care. Machine. Yes, it was in

the vending machine. And then it was in one of the cabin scenes with the couple just dipping right in there. They were standing in front of the fireplace, Brenda and Dylan, I think, and the and the couple was they were talking to the couple. Okay, so if you guys see this, you can't tell me in editing when they watched this so many times that they don't see it. Is it like we can't go back and reshoot that would cost too much? Or or what what do you think it is?

I must see it? Mean I don't you know, because when you're moving so fast on a show, you're you're only printing sometimes one take, sometimes two takes, right, and maybe they don't have another shot that it's not in or that now you can now you have like programs on your computers that you could zoom the image in and essentially crop it out of the scene if you needed to. But did you have that type of stuff back in the nineties. That's expensive though, right shot by

shot to do that. And and for the record, if you're listening, if you're listening, if you're happy to be listening to this, print, tell them Print means that you got the take, you're happy with the take, you're moving on. Can you stop waving your I knew you're about to say that, you know what, you're pointing your nails at us. They're good, right, they're very I don't but not too fancy,

but super and they look dangerous. Yeah any sorry, try to get contacts on with these, just try thinking other things. That's all right, Um, but the husband and wife duo, we're super cute the newlyweds. But I thought it was a little creepy when when um Brandon and Andrea were sitting in there talking to them, and all of a sudden, he gets on top of her on the couch and like starts basically, yeah, why why was that in there just to like throw some Laundrea Brandon like could have

been us. I didn't get that vibe at all. I thought Andrea was cute, though she looked like she needed like some popcorn. She wanted to watch the show. They came in to look for extra firewood, and they they're on their honeymoon. They go, we're about to make a toast. Why don't you join us? YEA awkward because they're nice. That's that's what nice people do. They're all inclusive. Would you do that? Yeah, because I would feel the pressure too, But I'd be like, here's your wood by yeah, Harne.

Moon we didn't talk to another person for one week, like we literally just people the restaurant. Yeah, but if I mean, they're all kind of they're on my first honeymoon. I just remember on my first honeymoon, I did make a friend in the pool, and and they're still they're still a friend. Really, I'm not still married to that man. I'm still with a friend. What Wait, where'd you go for your first honeymoon? I don't remember Hawaii, Maui, somewhere.

I don't remember which island, but I remember meeting a guy in the pool. Well, you've been a guy to do I know this friend? I don't know. He lives in slow in sam Luisibispo. His name's Chris of mckiern in law. Maybe anybody needs a lawyer? We was was Dan pissed that you were talking to a guy? What? No, he was like, hey, what's up here? What are you talking? Okay,

so this is yeah, right up your alley. Then first I thought he was hitting on me, but then it was like he just want to be friends with all of us, like we just we just and it It It actually improved our honeymoon. We had a better time because we made friends. You should have known that was the problem, flag, But you knew that before you married him. Oh my goodness. Well, we have a special guest coming on pretty soon. Can I just tell you what one more part of the

episode that I'm trying. Yes, Okay, So I'm watching it and my husband comes on from work last night at eleven, and it's the scene with um when Brandon and Dylan decided to go on a hike. Oh yeah, and he was like, wait, what's going on? Is this the prequel to Broke Back Mountain? I don't understand what's happening, like he was. So he was like, what is about to happen? He didn't understand it all. And I said, no, they're just they're going on a friend hike up to the

top of the mountain. But anyway, I I just needed to talk a little bit about the stunt doubles and the and the hanging off the cliff part. Yeah, he was hanging for a long time, and like he was really strong, like with that one hand he pulled himself right up. It was still suspenseful for me as a fan. Like watching it again, I'm just like I remember as a teen watching I watched this episode and watching it, I was just like I was so excited like that

that friendship. I was just like, yes, really, yeah, Well they were so just like a big deal. They're just so handsome and they look so perfect in every shot that I think he got a little weird about that. He thought this is getting weird. But I this, the stunt doubles made me laugh so hard that there their little wigs, and I did not notice the stunt double. You didn't notice this, So I was wondering, like, if you don't know that there's a stunt double, then you

just don't notice. No, I didn't Well, I didn't know and I didn't notice. It didn't even cross my mind. Why would they new stunt double? It was just I imagine it wasn't real, like real real Cliff. There was a couple of shots really definitely stunt doubles, like looking Dad looking up at the mountain and seeing him hanging there. That was stunt double. Really yeah, but I really thought it was crazy when when Dylan was trying to help him, but he kept knocking off those big rocks right onto

his head. That's not helpful. Oh my gosh. This was the first time we ever did and I'm not sure how we did it because we didn't really have cell phones back then with cameras. This is the first time that uh it was always I in the organized It showed us how to do this shot where we put a camera on the bottom and we all stand and look down at it in a group. Do you remember those shots we used to do pictures. I didn't know that we would never do that now with that angle.

Oh yeah, too old. Maybe overhead we can all look up at it. That would be better now, Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Ian used to be like guys, guys watched this and put on self It was like a camera on self timer and then yeah, we would all like link arms in the circle and all look down and have a shot in this the first time on the camping trip that we actually didn't remind you of that when we're in the in the huddle at the end, I did that was good good memories. Uh yeah, it's being a

good time. So let's let's let the good times role syste Yeah, we need to take a break. But when we come back, we have Mel Silver Matthew Lawrence who plays Mel David's father, So we actually reached out to him and we emailed him to come on. Actually we'll redo the email when we come back because it's pretty like pretty direct. Um, we'll come back with Matthew Lawrence. M okay, so this Nick, tell us about the email that you got from. So we emailed Matthew Lawrence to

come onto the podcast and this was his response. Hi, dot dot dot, I would love to dot dot dot. I'll change a couple of things. Dot dot dot anything to see those two dot dot dot. Thank and then all new lines. By the way, you know what, dot dot I'm already. We love this man so much. You have no idea. All ten years he was the highlights, Like when he would be on set, we would be so happy. Well, let's bring him in. He's in the radio. Let's not keep him waiting. Matthew, look at you, Look

at me. Don't look at me, look at you. Two we want to look at you. No, no, no, no, no. Where are you, Matthew? What are you doing? I am in Lexington, Kentucky. Um, and I am for twelve years now I am on ESPN Radio here in Lexington. Wow, I'm a big radio guy now because I have I have a face for radio. So you know that's what it is, a great voice. Oh, my husband's going to be so excited. Then, I'm sure he listens to ESPN Radio constantly. Yeah he does, but not mine your big

sports guy my entire life, I didn't know that. Oh yeah, I played for sports, had basketball scholarship offers, all that stuff, and I've been very involved in sports my whole life. Wow, we probably never talked about that. That wasn't That wasn't our common like thread. No, nobody, nobody ever asked me the entire time I was on the show about me. All you guys cared about was you. That's all you cared about. Nobody, what do you? What do you like? We thought you liked what we liked. What do you

mean us in? Though I did well Man before we were, before you were mel Silver, you were on You've done a lot on a lot of other shows SNL do it lots of things over the course of your career, And we were just talking off air about that. You have a twin brother, yes, who was also an actor. Yeah. He made for a really interesting part of our lives. Um, not only a twin but identical twin. So the first few years when we got out of college, I immediately

went to acting school and he didn't. He there was nothing about him being an actor, And for five years or so he was the associate producer on Saturday Night Live, the original Saturday Night Live. He did all kinds of stuff and then when their cast left, they all left. He went to l A and out of nowhere. I got a phone call one day and said I'm coming to New York. I need to talk to you. And I said okay. And he came and sat down with me and said, I'm going to be an actor. And

I went, excuse me what? And he um, He said it was something he had always wanted to do, but because I was doing it, he didn't and it was time to live his own life and all that crap that brothers say to you. You know, I didn't pay attention anyway. Um, but we went through a period, uh of almost five years where we didn't talk to each other pretty much. Well, I think it brought up a lot of things about while we were growing up, also jealous ease and all kinds. But I mean, think about it.

When you're in a business based on how you look, and you have somebody that looks exactly like you competing for jobs, it doesn't make for a really happy time, you know, Like you would be up for the same parts, like would you bump into him at And it only happened. It only happened a few times. And I think it's because our agents tried to keep away we were up for the same parts, we didn't. They often scheduled us

at different times. Um. But he was on a very successful show called Not Necessarily the News on HBO for I think six years and we both auditioned the same day at the same time for that. Wait, so did he audition for for Mel the part of Mel? No? No, no no. By that time, I was a much bigger star than he was. And but you know, ever, wait, is he gonna see this? Um? Uh no, he didn't. And do you want me to tell you about Mel? Now? Yeah? Tell us about Wait? Wait, I I have one question.

Did he get stopped? He must have once you became famous as Melf Mel Silver. I know you already were, but as Mel, Like, did he get stopped? And people are like, oh my god, is David Silver's dad? Well, you know what, it's it's really interesting. It's it's great that you asked that, Tori, because the worst part of it all was when he was on Not Necessarily the news.

I still was. I wasn't working. I didn't have a regular job like he did, and people knew him, and people would come up to me all the time and say, I love not necessarily the news, and I would go, that's not me, it's my brother. And when I was on say Duet for three years on Fox, people would come up to him and go, Duets my favorite show. And the first time it would happen ten times in a night if you were out, and the first time you just say, that's not me, it's my brother. And

by the tenth time you're yelling at the purse. I mean, you're you get it, You're angry. But and that happened a lot for a long time, and it was it was really hard. It was really hard for both of us. And just to wrap this us up, you'll love this. At the time he was living, there was a very famous director named Brian Gibson who directed Poltergeist and a whole bunch of things, and Brian lived in a mansion up in the hills, and Mitchell lived in Brian's house.

He had his own wing of this castle he lived in and um Mitchell called me one day and he said we were at that point we were kind of cordial to each other, but still not friendlier. And and he called me and said, I have to come over. I need to talk to you. And he came over to my house. And it turns out that Brian was a very spiritual guy. He was into He was a Buddhist, he was into chanting and psychics and all kinds of uh.

He had a best friend in Florida that was a psychic, this woman and he Mitchell, my brother, went out to dinner with Brian and this woman, and she didn't know anything about Mitchell. Brian hadn't told her anything. She said to Mitchell after about two minutes, You're a twin, aren't you. And Mitchell said, yeah, I am. And she said to him, don't you know you will never get anywhere in life by wishing bad things on your brother. And he said that to me, And we stood for hours in my

kitchen crying and laughing and talking. And from that day on we decided we were going to work together, we were going to be and he's been my absolute best friend in the world. This is a long time ago, um, and it's been great up doing all kinds of things together and it's been amazing. Oh that's beautiful, but you still didn't answer. Did he get recognized as Mels Silver? Yes he did, Yes, I'm sorry, Yes, yeah he did,

and he still does. Actually, that's funny. And he lives in Conway, South Carolina, near Myrtle Beach and it still happens to him. And I still every once in a while and get somebody that comes up to me in the grocery store and go, are you the guy that was not necessarily didn't news. I would just say oh, thank you, yeah, and just call it a day. You know. That's I never thought of that tour. That's that's what

I should have done. Yes, that's what I should. So I was telling them before the show, when we were super excited that you were coming on. I was like, you know what you guys, he was on. He was in a movie that is so iconic and I couldn't remember what it was. And Jem was like with Michael Parrey, Parrey, I always say his name, run Michael h Streets of Fire and I was like, no, no, no, it's something else.

It was seen almost fire, Yes, And I never got the chance to talk to you about it because it wasn't until later when I watched it again with my kids, I was like, this is a movie from my generation. And I was like, oh my god, Matthew, that's it. And I couldn't remember at the time. Yeah, well, Michael Parade. The movie I was in with Michael was Eddie and the Cruisers, which is also it's like the biggest cult

movie ever. But saying almost Fire was a really amazing experience because now again it's the same thing with me and this just hit me. You guys to the success of nine O two one oh and all of you and the success of the Brat Pack with all of them from saying almost Fire has to be because of me. You just he's the rink. Just hit me. I'm like the older actor guy who I don't know maybe mentored all of you. I don't know what degrees from Matthew Lawrence.

But working on that film was incredible and um, I played to me Moore's gay next door neighbor and worked with Joel Schumacher, who was one of the iconic directors of all times. Um just an incredible person and to this day, Uh, Andrew McCarthy is one of my best friends. I just did a big, huge He came out with a book that he wrote called Bratt that is a huge deal right now. Amazing incredible book about his life. And he's a great writer. And I just did a

virtual book sale thing with him. We met on st almost fire and to this day we're still He's one of my absolute best friends. And I have, you know, just talking about this stuff. I have been so blessed in my life with the people that I have met, Like I actually I can't believe I'm sitting talking to the two of you, because you two are two of my have always been two of my favorite people in the world. And um, I'm a sap. I'm gonna'll tear up with much food commercials and I tear up, um.

But like looking at your face, Jen and your face story, it does something to me that I'm just incredibly grateful, incredibly grateful. Oh, we feel the same way about you to our I don't know if you remember this, but this is an example of if I can tell this

short story real quickly. When I was doing the show, probably the third or fourth year, I was sharing a house with some friends of mine on Mulholland Drive up in the hills and for the summer they swift swapped houses with a family from Edinburgh, scott and this family came over and they had a sixteen year old daughter.

And I went out in the driveway when they pulled up to meet them, and this sixteen year old girl couldn't breathe when she saw that I was living at this house because nine o two one oh was you know what? It was all over the world. And about a week later I said to her, tomorrow morning, meet me at my car eight o'clock. You're coming to the set with me. I'm gonna take you to work. And I brought her in and we went into the makeup trailer. She couldn't she was having panic attack. She was so

she couldn't believe she was there. I mean, think about a sixteen year old from Edinburgh. And we went into the makeup trailer and you were in there, and I introduced her and I told you, and I think Brian might have been in there, that she was from Edinburgh, Scotland, and she was visiting the house and you said you

were finished with makeup. You said, okay, we'll see you later, and you took her by the hand and disappeared with her and took her to all the sets and took had people take pictures with her in the peach pit and in different places. It was one of the most amazing days of her life. I mean, I haven't seen her since that summer, but I know she will never forget that, and I never forgot that about you. Um anyway,

all right, she's a good egg, that Tori. Well, we wanted to just ask you, you know, like questions about Mel and your time on the show. And yeah, obviously we all formed really strong bond with you. I think Tori, myself, Brian and of course Anna who played Jackie worked with you the most. Um, But we just wanted to ask you, like, what did you did you how did you come about getting the role of Mel, and how did you like the character? You know. The funny part is at that time,

this is how the actual call went. And I just as I just saw both of you with Larry and Chuck and Peter on their wonderful thing that they're doing. Um, I think Chuck corrected me. I got a call from my agent and he said, they want to talk to you about uh playing a father on nine or two one off And at that time this was during the first I think at the beginning of the second year maybe, And at that time the show was not very popular. As you remember, there were a lot of people didn't

have Fox in their houses. And I had never really seen the show. And I said to my agent, I don't think I want to do that. It's a show about some high school kids or something. I don't I don't think I want to. And he said, you've never played a father before. It would be really good for you. Just go talk to them. And I went in and I sat down and I met with them, and I didn't even know whose father I was going to play.

And when they asked, they said, Brian Austin Green. I think Brian was maybe eighteen at the time, or nine, maybe eighteen maybe four four years or five years before that, I had done. Do you remember a show called Circus of the Stars I had done. She was on it. I had done that show the year that Brian was on. What was your act? I walked the high wire? Did you wear tights? Of course? Uh? And can we see

a picture? Not I'll send you pictures. Not only tights, but a big frilly shirt that was opened down to here. And I was I was very funny. Actually, okay, anyway, I got very friendly with Brian. He was a little kid who was like thirteen or something. He was on not landing, I believe, and with his mom, and we were hearsed for weeks for that thing. Anyway, when they told me it was to play Brian's father, I said absolutely. I thought it would be one a couple of episodes

or one episode. What I found out from Chuck or Larry was it was kind of an audition that first episode to see how Anna and I got along. I mean, the way your character was introduced was so great. We just watched that episode recently and were sitting behind her and she I love this so much. And You're like, it sounds like you need a dentist or something, and there you were, Oh my lord, Mr cheeseball. I was. But that started. You know that that one or two

shows turned into nine years years. Um. I still can't believe it. And like I say, all the it's part of the of some of the greatest memories I have of my life. And I got a lot of great ones. I've done a lot of really razing things. But as I said that, I'm sitting here talking to you two is it's amazing to me. Amazing and that show. I mean, as you know, maybe four years in I'm a big

history buff. I got a chance to work in Germany and I went over to what was used to be East Berlin and there was it's called the Brandenburg Gate. Napoleon's armies marched underneath this thing. I couldn't wait to see it, and I went took a cab, went by myself and I'm standing there looking at this massive thing.

And a bus of tourists pulls up, Swedish tourists in Berlin, Germany, about thirty of them, and they get off this bus and they start walking towards this thing, and one of them turns and sees me and goes Beverly Hills and the whole book comes running over. They could have cared less where they were, sweetest tourist, Blynn. That's you know. You stand there and you guys know this better than anybody, but you stand there and you just go the power of TV and the reach of all this stuff is.

And you know from how people talk about the influence you guys had on their lives growing up. Um, it's pretty amazing. It's really really amazing. It's something, isn't it. Yep, something to be proud of. You should you should be so proud because your character was so memorable and we you made such a lasting impression on each of us as just people on the show. We all everyone loves you. Yeah, well, do you know? I get? I still get how could you do that? Would you do? Oh? I got all

you drunk? Don't you? I mean on the show. It wasn't your fault. It was like half a glass, like it was a toast. What Donna Martin? Thank you? And what I say to these idiots that say that to me is, first of all, I'm an actor. They give you a script and you do what they tell you. That's first number two. I didn't get them drunk. We made a toast. I left, Steve came running back in and grabbed the champagne and disappeared. It wasn't even real champagne.

It's a thirty years later, however long it is, I still have to explain to people like it wasn't well, you could flip it. You could say if it wasn't for me, there would be no Donna Martin. Graduate It's like, hello, there you go I think that I still get yelled at too, because you know, I had an affair with somebody when I had a three month old daughter or whatever that. You know, Mike, excuse me, Hello, I'm an actor, wasn't me? Okay? If you weren't an actor, what what

would you do? What? What? What would you have been if you were an actor? What have you been in sports? What? A good question probably would have been something to do with sports. Absolutely. I mean sports has been the biggest the way I got here. And I don't know if you know who this is, but when I left l a UM I just couldn't take living in l a anymore. And uh I played in all these celebrity golf tournaments

over the years. And in the early nineties I met coach Ka, who was the basketball coach at Duke and he's a very big deal and he was then too, and I was having dinner with he and his wife in at a golf tournament and I told him I wanted to leave l A. I was done, and he said, well, why don't you come work with me? And I said, what he said, just come to Durham, North Carolina. I have an idea. So I sold all my stuff, drove to Durham with my mom. She flew out to l A and he told me he wanted me to do

radio for the Duke basketball team. So for ten years that's what I did. I sat right behind coach k and for ten years did radio for the Duke basketball team. That sounds like so much fun. It was incredible, incredible. And then I got married. Uh, we had a young two young sons, and my wife was from here, from Kentucky, from Lexington, and I was playing in the golf tournament here and the guy that owns all these radio stations here offered me a job with the ESPN Radio. So

we moved here mostly because my wife and my boys. Right, That's how I got here. So sport it is the answer to that question. How old are your kids now? Oh my lord, Uh, I'm really old. You were not. Excuse me, I am really old old. Thank you. Jenny always told me the truth. I have a seventeen and a fourteen year old, that's nothing. I got a twenty three year old, Matthew. Excuse me, I'm seventy one. Jen, I know you're not what stop it? Yeah? What you

just blew my mind? Don't compare me with you, Jen with your children. Okay, wow, you are you are old? What the hell? You look great? You look great for seventy one. Wait, I gotta go backwards. I forgot to. I gotta ask just one question about Saturday Night Live. I I just want to know what that experience was like, Like, that's like one of my dreams. Like, can you just tell me what it was like to be on SNL. Well,

it was. It was different than almost anybody else that has done it because our year, which was one, was the first year of the new cast. It was when everybody left and we were the next People hated us, I mean, and so the whole experience was very different culturally from the way the show was run to everything about it. But for me personally, where do you get the experience of even though not as many people watched,

millions of people and you're doing live TV every week. Um, the three or four of the people on the show at the time, I absolutely loved. We were very close. Um and the musical guests that we had. That was the best part of the show to me. Every Friday when they would do they would come out and do voice checks. Aretha Franklin James Brown, Prince, Uh, Debbie Harry would stand there nobody in the studio, and and then when of course, when they were you know, doing their thing,

Prince came out. Nobody knew who he was, and he came out and did the weirdest song. He was humping the stage he was at I mean, and nobody knew who he was, and we were all I can Eddie Murphy was on with with me that year. All I can remember is Eddie that laugh that Eddie has, just hysterical. And then you know, when all of a sudden Prince hit, we went, wait, that's that guy that was on the show.

Here I and I have I have wonderful men. Reason like I said, of the people just like you guys, it's so much about the people that you work with, as you know, I mean, um, it was an amazing experience, but it was weird. That year was definitely weird. You have the greatest stories. First of all, Oh, you have no idea, You have no idea. I could spend hours just listening to your stories. And you know what, Jen and I have talked about this so many times, but it is one thing that we we regret. But when

you're young. It is yourself involved, You're it's about you and what's going on. But if we we've this is numerous times this has happened. We wish we could go back and do a do over and have gotten to know people on a different level. We've talked about that with Carol Potter and because it's like we didn't know and I'm sorry that we didn't ask you about you because listen to the stories you have. We would have

been so blessed to hear these stories. Then, yes, but then I could have nearly as many stories as I do now. First, I always say this about You're You said that, so I'll say this about you. I always talk about this because people ask me about you guys a lot. They always haven't, they always will. You grew up in a situation that nobody in the world grows up in and for you back then, It's why I love the story about what you did with that little

girl when she came. For you to be the person that you are is the most incredible thing in the world. It's not easy, what what all of you went through. I mean, nobody realizes to what it's like to be the most famous people when you're that young. You don't even know who you are. Yeah, and everybody has these feelings about you and thoughts about you and criticisms about you. It's an almost impossible situation. And this is what I mean for me to look at the two of you.

I just spoke to Brian for the first time twenty five years. We talked for sorry a half hour. It was what he's turned out to be after everything he's been through. And you, guys, people have no idea how amazing it is. They have no idea. Um You're such a blessing, both of you to so many people, so many thank you. You wish we could hug you right now. Boy do I wish that. I'm going to come out to l A this summer. Can we see you? I I promptly we will get together and we'll have dinner.

I'll tell you a bunch more stories that I can't talk about. Good. Look at that face on gin. We we we before we end with you, we want to play. We do these rapid fire questions with what we do with that, because I know you'll be a hoot. Many sisany sisney is gonna give it to you. Be sure I've got them here. Okay, So favorite character on then Antino besides mal Silver. You know what, no one ever said themselves, Yeah yeah, hell yeah, alright, favorite cast member. Oh,

I can't answer that. You can't do that, all right? If you take the girls out, the least favorite cast member, I'm just I'm just I'm just missing. I almost that almost. I'm doubt that's for when we get together. And okay, I would say, Brian, if I take the two of them out, I would say, okay, Now, if you had a favorite no to a NO couple out of all the couples that were more throughout the whole seasons, which

one would be your favorite? Me and Jackie there you get nice before I had the affair with the dental, got it, it happens. Now this is gonna be tough for you. But if you had to kiss Mary or kicked the curb one of the characters, who would it be? So you kiss a character, you marry a character, and then one of them you just throw away basically, Okay, I'm going to be real honest here. I would kiss Tiffany. Okay, I like it. She's very kissable. I get it. I've

done it, all right. Who would you marry Oh god, I uh see, I can't say this. If we lived in Utah, I would marry those two perfect that your aunt's sister lives and me siver new show. Okay, we got a show here. This is good, and I imagine you probably don't want to kick anybody to the curb. But if you had to know, all right, we will make you towards you. Okay. Interesting he went with the real life actors, not the not the characters. I did that.

Neverbody crossed my mind. That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, oh the characters easy? That. No, they're not easy. I still want to go with the real people. Well, you're you're the real deal, that's for sure. No, did you ever get to keep anything from the show wardrobe or prop anything? I didn't. I didn't keep any props. I don't know what what kind of props my dental drill. This is a funny story that I told Larry and Chuck too

real quick. We got a script one time and it said mel is doing root canal on a patient in his office. And I said, I can't remember who wrote it. I said, have you ever had root canal? Do you know what's involved in a root canal? I can't fake that. They said, Okay, well, what should you do? I said, give me one of those little mirror things, you know that you look in somebody's mouth. How about I'm doing that in this scene. You don't know how to get a root canal? What's wrong with you? No? I know,

I should. I had plenty of them. I should know how to do. I didn't get to keep any props. I think I kept some of the wardrobe because my wardrobe was pretty nice, except for the wedding pictures that I keep seeing. People keep watching the show and they text me with a picture of what they just saw our marriage, that tuxedo thing that I was wearing for the wedding. Of course, it was a long time ago, but remember that my clothes, for the most part, were

pretty cool. I'm sure I stole I mean, I'm sure they gave me some of them. Some of them. You taught us all the tricks. Wait. Were you on the new nine O two one? Oh? Okay, No, which I'd always thought was kind of weird because you and Jackie created and one of the main characters Silver It was Aaron Silver. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And you know what, I'm glad, I really am. I really don't. I want to be associated with our show. That's all the O. G Yeah, loyalty is there. So Matthew, we love you

talking to you. I love you guys more. Um, I really mean it. This has been a really tough year obviously for everybody. Yeah, and it's things like this that I can't tell you how this makes me feel inside, just to not only talk to you, but to look at your two faces. So thank you for thinking of me than hugs. We always think about you, and we love you, and we'll see you this summer. Okay, love you, love you too. Oh oh my god. That just made me so emotional. I love that man so much. He

was so good to me on that show, gud. There were days, because you know, we went through stuff off camera that was hard, and there were days that he was just so kind and made me laugh and hugging me and just he's always so warm and a good person could just take a bad mood and make it better. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's one of the good ones. I can't wait to get drunk with him this summer and hear some juicy stories. It's so good baby. We'll let you guys know what happens.

We'll let you get a tissue tory and we'll take a break and we will come right back. Okay, so let's get into fashion deus and don't who liked what, who hated what? Tell me? Tell me this is a little bit of a fashion less episode, right, Well, it's it's just a theme. Everybody's kind of got that can't be theme. So there was no there were no like fashion standout moments. I just appreciated all of the campaign. Dylan and a jean jacket with a white T shirt

is just so classic perfect, that's it. Yeah, Yeah, and that's It's like when I saw that, Yeah, when I saw that scene of him, I was like that that works now, like it worked then works out and it was him and that was just like that's how you always remember Dylan McKay that white T shirt and jean jacket and his hair was just on point, Like both Brandon and Dylan's hair were like the best they've ever been. I think this is when they were like really realized

it's all about her hair. I know that scene of them before they went hiking. I was just going back and forth, like looking at both of them and just their sideburns. Did you guys ever noticed Tory? I want to ask you this Luke has a scar and his eyebrow in his right eyebrow, I think, And do you remember it becoming more prominent through the run of the show, like early on it wasn't as prominent. I feel like

you're right for the makeup lady. Think her name was Alex, Yeah was, And I can't even remember her cutting the hairs to like accentuate the scar. Smart. Yeah, I don't know whose idea that was. But do you remember why he had that scar? I don't. I don't remember why. M Yeah, you're right, You're right, that's a smart move. That's like iconically part of him, So why not enhanceome

watching it? It was the first time we wore what were those boots like Doc Martin's were obviously Timberland's, Thank you, the Timberland's with the slouch socks. Yes, making you don't you have to have those? Oh you have to. Yeah, it also if you're not going hiking. They were a fashion statement. Now now you can wear them with them just about anything. Yeah, do you think I've ever hiked? Like I wore them all the time. You're not a big hiker, you know the answer to this. She's trying

to rile me up. We should go hiking sometime, like never yeah. Uh. Lines from the show nine to two one, No, you didn't. I kind of said mine. Earlier it was the Newlyweds that said, do you want to come in for a toast? I like Dylan's line, my mom says, my planetary alignement is in severe disarray, which was setting the stage for his mom, who was Stephanie Beacham so iconic and um, okay, say my own. You know what

they say, it takes two to tango, tangle tangle. You said takes two to tangle, right, I miss obviously in Donna true Donna form said the wrong line because like it is a term like it takes two to tangle. Sorry, it takes two to tangle. Whatever I am, Donna Martin, It's okay, I still can't get it right. You know what it means? You know what they say, it takes two to tangle. All right. We have a few listener questions. Listens from Christine. I've heard that sometimes in the entertainment

world you are surrounded by yes people. Have either of you experienced this and did you know they would do whatever you asked? Does this cause problems in other relationships in real life? Did any of your other castmates have yes people? And did they use this to their benefit? Oh, they want you to call some people out as well. A lot of questions on that one question. There's a lot of questions in these questions. I've noticed that they

get they packed them there. Yeah, definitely, I think actors, that's what happens. And especially when you're young, at least from my perspective, and Jen, I know you feel the same way, Like you know, there you don't know that they're doing whatever you want. You think it's like, oh, I have all these new friends and they always just want to do what I want to do and we just get along so well, it's like we want the

same thing. And it's not until you look back on the situation you're like, oh, but the yes people it's not always to your advantage because usually the yes people are also the clingers there, you know. Yeah, not only that, but like it sets you up for failure later in your life because reality check, there's not a lot of yes people out there, you know, and and as you as I've grown up and and like experience different things.

I kind of expect people to go along with whatever I want, but that's not necessarily what they want, and so it kind of sets you up to be like to have a harsh reality check later in life, because the people around you that truly love you are not going to be yes people. They're going to be honest people. That's true. And also it's those yes people that are also We've talked about this before. When you're out and having fun, you're like, Oh, they like to eat what

I like to eat. They like to go to places I like to go. They're also the first to go to the bathroom or like go about to get their cars when the track comes, Like there's a reason you just can't believe that you're paying for it. Oh well,

Mitchell is asking. You said your personal lives changed because of your nine o two celebrity status, but what about your professional ones, Like were there people around you who really came through or let you fall hard when you didn't expect them to, And what about career choices during and right after the original run? Would you choose to go in the same direction now or would you change things up? Are we sure it's Mitchell. What if it's Michelle or I thought it was Michelle, but there was

no e at the end, so Michel, it's mckel. Well, m this is for you. I mean, it's so hard to go back and say I wish things had gone differently or what would I have done if it was different? But I feel like, I mean, our paths just sort of presented themselves before us, and you sort of take advantage of what comes your way and make your decisions based on what's kind of what are your options right

in front of you? And I mean I know that right after the original run of the ten years of the show, when we did our finale, it took a minute for me to get my feet back under me and decide what I wanted to do next, Like what what do you do after that? And and who's going to hire you to play a different role because everybody identifies you with what you've just played for ten years on the super popular show. So it was about sort of waiting for the right thing to them along for

me and being sort of selective. And I kind of like that now, Like I don't like to work, like it takes a lot of incentive to get me to leave my house to go work. I love what I do. I love acting, and I love like telling stories and helping and like giving people emotional journeys like I love that, but I hate to leave my house. So how old were your girls when the show rapped? I think I had one? Yeah, I definitely only you only had one? Okay,

she was still little? One or two probably, And did it ever cross your mind and just like I just want to maybe be a mom for a few years, or or did you want to jump right back into something that's the only thing I knew how to do? So, like I had to pay the bills, Like, you know, I had created all through this ten years a lifestyle

that's certainly something that I had come from. It's something that was created by this show and and the industry, and so I had to keep up the lifestyle, you know, and and pay for the house and pay for the cars and pay for the kid, you know, all the things you have to do when when when your life starts to roll like that? So then yeah, you just want to work when the show ended. For me, I really wanted to do comedy. That was my thing because

that was like Donna's thing. You know everyone you know, Jen was so I mean she's hilarious, Like obviously, now she's just amazing comedy. At the time, you were known for being like chromatic actress. Yes, and I never felt like I could find my thing and and that was my Niche was like the comedic moments. And when the show ended, um, I did a deal with Fox to develop my own sitcom and I was super excited and it was the first time it was in front of a live audience, and um it was the creator that

went on to create Family Guy. Like it was like a big deal. And I was like, oh, all I knew was a successful TV show, right and went on for ten years? Did the pilot. I was like, oh cool, now I'm gonna be on a sick I'm a sitcom attress, actress, I'm gonna be funny, and it's gonna go on for ten years. And it didn't get picked up. So that was like a harsh reality because it was like you're on such a high and you're like, it's just gonna go right into something else successful and that didn't get

picked up. And then after that it was like back to auditioning. It was like whoa reality check? You know, you can go from a hit show and then have nothing and have to you've climbed that mountain and just you have to start all over again. That was a big deal, but it helped turn me into what I think. I'm a hustler. Like I was just like, Okay, let's okay, here I go. I'm back out auditioning every week and just let's do it. I wish that I had had sort of more of a plan, like your question would

would would you change things up? Would you go in the same direction? Now? I wish that I had some sort of a plan, you know, like a business plan of how I wanted to run my corporation, like like created more things off of the buzz and the hype of what I was and like you're you're not necessarily, but just like I wish I knew what I wanted to do, Like I never even wanted to be an actress, Like I didn't know I wanted to be a nine or two one. Oh, I didn't know I wanted to

be a mom my. My life is just sort of always unfolded in front of me and I kind of go with it. But I wish if I could go back that I was like the person that said, I'm going to go to business school, I'm gonna learn to do this. I'm going to create my own company. I'm gonna have a fortune situation. I'm gonna have a yacht. Like I wish I had a plan for my career. I still can. Do you feel like anyone on nine oh two and I had that plan, like a plan in place of what was next and like mapped it

out strategically. I mean, I think if if anyone had those conceptions, I don't know if they played out the way they wanted them to, because I think after the after, after any show ends, an actor has that natural time where they have to kind of reinvent themselves or you know, take a breath and and and change gears a little bit. I think all of us kind of experienced that in

our own way. It's it is interesting though we were so young, but like now, like if Jan and I suddenly had like a nine two oh right now, we would know to be like, Okay, what's the big picture, what's the merch s? You know, what are the would be rolland hell yeah, we would like own private island now two and openating suits. We would be we would have our own airplane or something. Yeah, we would. We would have our faces wrapped on everything. But there was all this like no No two and no merch back

in the day, even during the show. Did you guys get to cut it now? Oh my gosh, it was all your faces that angers me. It should like we said, we would do it all very yeah. Yeah, the contract negotiations would have taken longer for that reason. Oh my goodness. Well, this is a jam pack show, you guys. This is a good episode. It's fun. That was what's next? What's our next episode? Wild fire? You that sounds dangerous? Is there fire involved it? Wild? No? I just remember the title. Well,

I'm excited to watch it. I hope you guys are too. I hope you liked our chat with Matthew Lawrence did. We sure had a good time. Amazing. He's very sweet. He loves you girls so much. Lots of love. There's so much love on our show with all that, all the moving parts, a lot of love, crew cat used everybody. So we're really happy to be here with you guys every week. And uh, I guess we'll see you next week. You guys. Bye. H