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I like, really it's so hot in here? Wait? So we are We have like our private group chat and it was like blowing up last night. We're going back and forth and basically we were like, Amy, welcome to our world. Like, can you do you think you can read a little bit of one of the comments? You? Yeah, you know, I will read it because so here's I've been like all night actually like a little stressed because I really want to ask you guys something, but I'm

stressed about how to ask it. What Just asking it not okay because I don't even know if you guys will be able to answer, So it might be a question for everyone listening. Okay, alright, I like it, so okay, so let me read this. I will. I will read this because I mean it's on Instagram and I do read every comment. There was someone that's like, can you really read every comment? And the one thing, I don't know how to use Instagram, so I only know how to be a voidor like I can read everything, but

I don't know how. I would like just push repliment. That seems so scary. Okay, so scary, right to do it? Read it? Okay, So I'm gonna read you guys what the person wrote. And like, I also know my voice is annoying. I know that my voice. Everyone's voice is annoying to someone that is that's objective. It's like art. I've annoyed her with my voice for thirty years. Yeah, what do you mean? I see I don't find your voice annoying. I've annoyed myself with my own voice all

these years as well. I mean, to be fair, your your voice is pretty like neutral and decent. Yeah, your voice am like you both have you get excited, you're passionate, Like that's being said, you have annoying voice because she isn't like what you're saying, you both have television voices. I'm sure you've done voiceovers. You guys are professionals. My voice is annoying and I but I have heard from a lot of people. So you guys are like my friends.

So you're being nice many people. I'm being nice. That's in my wheelhouse. I'm being honest. That's the one thing she will tell it like it is like honestly, like you're a producer, but we have you on every week because you're an uber fan. You have great perspective, and her voice was annoying. We wouldn't want you to be like I mean, I think you'd be as tolerated or you're used to it. But because a lot of people are like, why are you yelling at me? And I'm like,

this is just a speaking voice. Okay. So I'm gonna read this and I'm not reading it to like like call the person out or like to my own I have an actual question about this. And I spent an hour and a half thinking about this last night. So what the person wrote was well, first they wrote, Amy should listen how annoying her own voices? Which respect it is all too maybe like take classes. Maybe I can

do something. But then she said before she makes fun of Brenda's voice, I wasn't actually making fun of Brenda's voice. I was trying to like do a character. But whatever, stop dissing she Annon. It's really not cool. You're like a middle school or trying to kiss up to the popular girl to like you. You are the one making such a big deal over Kelly and Brenda. Stop putting a wedge between them even more than there is one. We would all love to see everyone get along. Shannon

is way cooler than you would ever be. So here's my question for you guys. And I'm being totally serious. Like I I was a little word, I would cry, but I'm gonna not cry. Why would people, and this is not the only person, Why would people assume just because I don't like Brenda that I don't like Shannon.

Because they have a lot of uber Fans have a really hard time distinguishing between the characters and actors that played them, which I mean, it's why we love them so much is because they grew up a this show. They feel like it was part of their lives. They feel like, in a way it was their friends. Like so it's hard to distinguish it. So she's just an uber fan and she is like, wow, you sugarman, you're officially in the nineties and West Beverly and you're in

our school. You should be walking up and down the hallway, right. Yeah, And and that's what we said last night in the text. We were like, welcome to being a celeb, like welcome being the public eye, welcome to fame. Like everybody's going to either build you up or knock you down. So you've got to decide what you want to focus on.

But to answer your question, yeah, I mean, that's part of the reason why Tory and I went the b h N O two in a direction was because there's such a blur between the real people and the characters on this specific show more than I don't know, more than so many other shows. What I was gonna say, Okay, so you guys, I and I really take these comments to heart, Like I don't. I try not to cry.

Sometimes I do, but for the most part, I really want to learn from it because more than just like getting to be on the air with you guys, I'm the producer, so it's my job to read those things and take into account. So I really thought hard, like, is there another example I could give of like a character I don't like? And I was like, if I could even think of a person where I'm friends with

the person even though I don't like. Okay, And I tried so hard because all I could come up with is like I loved Aiden on Sex in the City, But it doesn't mean I didn't like any of the other boyfriends, or like, I, okay, here's my best one, here's my best wife. I am team Logan. I don't know if you guys know what that means, but it's from Gilmore Girls and Rory had three boyfriends, Jess, Dean, and Logan, and I am full team Logan. But no one's ever been like, why do you hate my log

and Amelia. I think that's a guy girl thing. Honestly, I think that that that you're talking about referencing guy characters. What this person's got the beef with is with girl characters. And especially that part of their comment that was like why do you continue to drive a wedge between them something of that nature? Right, That was very fascinating because I don't. I don't think you are driving a wedge between anyone. And also while I'm on it. Uh the

part about you sucking up to the popular girls. Hello, Amy is our producer, she is our boss. If anybody should be sucking up, it's us sucking up to her. Let's do it right now. I love you, Amy, I love your voice. Oh my god. If we want our show to go on forever and ever, we come on. And I'm actually not like to me, I'm so glad we're talking about it, and I'm like sweating because I don't want this person waiting for you to think I'm I'm not criticizing them. I accept the comment, and I

really want to understand because I don't like Brenda. Like even when we talk about this episode in the beginning half of the episode, I was like, Brenda, she looks amazing and this and this, and then she turns and I had to write, see Brenda's annoying, Like the fact that Brenda dumped Reek like that was annoying. And that's the prevalent storyline right now. Of course you're going to

be hyper focused on talking about that storyline. And the reason they wrote it that way is they want it like you're supposed to choose, so you're supposed to invest in it, that's and they get point of it. So we're happy that you have your opinion, and we're happy that this person has their opinion because that's why the people love the show exactly. But it is so interesting that she relines blur turned it to that, why don't you like Shannon? Yeah, which is not Shannon as a person.

Maybe I've met Shannon one time, if one time, But the thing is, like my job, I'm friends with Shannon's publicist, Like that's my friends is the person's person? Do you know what I mean? Like I book Shannon anytime she wants anything, anywhere, anytime, whenever she needs anything, and she may know that, but like her publicist, I would, I don't even so that. I mean, it's kind of cool that you probably never have this perspective. You're on the

flip side. You're dealing with celebrities, but there are people behind the scenes making it work because she's a producer. And now all of a sudden, you're hyper focus. You're in the limelight and everyone's like talking about you, and now you know, like, oh my god, all these years, this is what all these celebrities are talking about. Remember Jamie Walters, Yes, like he lost his career because and people, he said, people would come up to him in the street.

He played Raid Pruett Donna Martin pushed her down the stairs and spoiler sorry season five for example, and people were like, why would you do that to Johnna and like slap him. He's like, Amy, I don't wait, they slapped him. You guys slapped in public one fan. Wow, poor guy. That's so interesting. That's a great example because I was trying so hard to think of a character that I don't like but that I love the actor.

But I'm having a hard time like thinking of one like I feel like we spent enough time talking about this quite honestly, I'm sure everyone else because but but but having said that, please keep commenting because it's fascinating, entertaining. It makes Amy cry of Thimes. I laugh and like, I like, I do text these guys, and I because I texted you guys the other morning, like superly, and I'm like, they're they care, like they care they're commenting.

So to me, it's like shocking that it's not just the three of us that hear each other like that. Somebody takes a power out of their week to listen it's like, oh my gosh, so many people in our podcast, you guys, and I love those comments because, yeah, it gets people through their week. It gives them something to look forward to. They they feel like they know us,

and kind of they do. So it's like we're all hanging out, laughing together, and that's what's so great of this is a conversation we're all having about our show, a favorite show, and like it's just a good time. So let's keep it positive people. I also love if someone hates it but listens, Like if you hate it, like, um,

Ben Affleck had a terrible movie. It's called like deep Water in the Water something, and I hate watching it because I'm like, this is such a bad movie that I need to watch it all the way to the end. Like I love Ben Affleck, but it is a bad movie. So also if you're like I hate them, like, let

us know what My question is. I wonder if shows now with the new generation, when they watch shows, if they blend characters and actors or if that's kind of generational actor like question the eighties and nineties and early two thousands, I don't know, you know what's crazy. There's okay, First of all public apology. Uh, we have a fan. Her name is Crystal. I called her Crystal because I don't know, I've never heard the word Crystal. I've never

heard that name anyway. Sorry, Crystal, I love you. But on some you know, public platforms, she was out it and like made ridiculed for being such a fan. Yes, yes, something something happened. I don't know the specifics, but there was some involvement with the nine to one. Oh Bro came to her defense. This is all stuff that I've heard from my husband because he hears it at the Douglas where Crystal visits at his restaurant all the time.

So they she was sharing with him that uh, some some crazy stuff like that had gone down where people somebody, some specific person I'm not sure who it was, was um telling her she was an idiot or something for thinking of them. Yeah, the thinking that we cared about her because I guess you know, maybe she sent the DVD collection and they were like you and you thank her because you love her and if we desperately needed it.

But what a jerk that person is to be like what they're like, you're a loser because you love nine O'TO one oh, like you don't. You don't you know, you don't give famous people presents. They don't care. You know what I think it's really about. They're kind of jelly that she actually does have a connection with us personally, yea, specifically you. That's we just d we at his restaurant.

Like I have to ask Daron Martin about this, because now, of course he would come to Christ's defense, right anyway, I don't know this and Christmas and like, wow, I'm going to come on in now. We needed the DVDs. We do, we use them, so thanks Christine's. It's really interesting. I mean I I say that like in all seriousness, like it really is. I don't mock it. I'm not

judging it because I care about every single comment. I told you, guys, yesterday, I was having this conversation with a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, like this guy is super smart, way smarter than me, and he was talking about something and I mentioned you guys. I mean he freaked out, and so it's like everybody likes nine out two and O, like this guy is, wait, tell us more about how he freaked out about it. So I was using it as an example because he's working on this project for us,

totally different. And I said, blah blah blah, like when I talked to Torri and Jenny and he's like it was like record screech. He goes, what And I'm like, are you mocking me? He was joking. He goes, you know, Tory Spelling and Jenny Garth and I'm like yeah, He's like, is there anyway you could get me their autograph? Like what? Was like, you guys, this guy is well, we're very very popular with the Pulitzer Prisers were people journalists that writes for like NPR, like like people stuff like he

writes about like probably like Wars. And I'm like this time when we were talking about Kelly versus Brenda, so he said, I get you an autograph? Like yeah, but I'm like, are you joking with me? Like I thought he was pulling my leg. He's like, I had the sideburns like Brandon. I grew up with my sister watching this like super fan and so kind and so smart and had like the most smart thoughts about the rees. Should we have him on one? We should get his

opinion on Kelly asked him, he is team Kelly. I'm not gonna lie, but he had wonderful things to say about Brenda. But he I said, is there any chance you and your sister would come on? So he's asking his sister and then I'll let you guys know. It was so fun, crazy crazy. Yeah, Okay, we are going to dive in to season three episode thirteen, Rebel with a Cause, aired on November eleven. Wait for it, the

longest synopsis ever. Steve stays close to Andreae, now confined to a wheelchair with two broken legs, who was keeping on top of the fed's investigation at the school break and of the school break, and he fears that she may find out his criminal secret. Steve gets more worried when the sleazy school janitor Hutchens demands more black Man mind to keep quiet about Steve's copy of the Master Key. Meanwhile, Brenda now dan Riek, freaks out when she sees Dylan

dating Kelly. Dylan gets bad news regarding his abilable let's say t score, His frustration peaks, and he hits the road, shocking. Jim's dull work life gets a lift by Dot Dot Dot Dot What Okay, Don't? Directed by Daniel Addius, written by Star Froman, Chris Broncotto, Kenneth Biller, Chip Johansson, and some say Darren Starr. Did you see that comment that they say that Darren Star maybe didn't really write them.

He just has his name on everything exactly, or we're looking at the wrong source, but I think his name. He probably gets a writing credit on everything, whether he actually wrote it or off. Some of the episodes, of course, but some say his name and some don't. But this one, just like on air said Star Froman. Well, apparently she had a little help. Okay, I don't know, like rewrites. Maybe maybe that's what it happened. This was a big episode. There were so many storylines going on, Like I was

all over the place. Did you like the episode? You guys mean what I did? But I felt like I felt like there was too much going on, Like I wanted to see more of They focus just me, team Brenda, team Kelly. Let's stay on that storyline. Sorry, I got excited. Hit my mic like I'm sorry because it's such a good storyline when it goes to like Steve, where it goes to Andrea or you know, I'm just not I'm like no, no, hurry, hurry, and then sorry, sorry, Jen Earms,

and then Jim Walsh. I'm like, I thought that I have to say, let's talk about Dottie first, because the scene with Mr and Mrs Walsh and Brandon discussing Dottie and him's no chance with Dottie. I was laughing out loud, like I thought that was it was cute between the two of them, but I felt like it was really weird when Brandon just walks into the foyer and starts to objectify this grown woman in his doorway, Like, who what young man talks to a grown woman like that?

Cindy Crawford, So it must be the Ears what so pol Tricky, Pol Tricky who played Dottie? Um, I don't like. I don't think I met her even then, but went on to be like friends with her later in life, Like I feel like she was at my first wedding in my first husband and yeah, and we've lost touches. He's coming on with us, we're trying to work it out,

we're talking to it. Okay. Wait, So I am obsessed because the other nine oton Ho podcast, Pete Ferrarrow was like, oh my god, there's some crazy story that Pol Tricky tells. Do you remember. I was like, no, it's shocking what we're going to hear that? She actually come on, but she had a dentist appointment today or like an appointment, and so were you just working out the schedule? Oh good, it's gonna get juicy something to look forward to people. She is lovely. So I'm sorry, I mean, you want

to talk about that Dottie line. I don't. I don't know if I believe Jim. Honestly, I think it's just me, but I'm a little jaded. But when when Jim professes that, uh, you know, when I'm at work, all I think about is work in my family. Right, So, do you think Jim had that little fantasy about Dottie because Mrs Walsh put it in his head. No, No, you think he's been He's kind of like he's not going to do anything,

but we think he's got the hots for dots. Well, now maybe he doesn't have the hots for but he's not blind. Yeah, exactly, he's a man like. Yeah, I don't know. It just made me a little upset with my main man. But it was redeemed. All was redeemed when I saw him in the blue robe. With its jes hair smoking out. Oh, I can't what fringiest line was when he's like, sleep with you, I mean sleep on it. I was like, it was so good. I was getting real mad. I was like, what is Donnie

moving it on? My man? I was getting so mad for the lines blurred Tory, what do you think of Dottie and Jim? Do you think it's platonic? Yeah? But I think it could go somewhere. But does it? I don't remember now? Oh, I mean we'll see. I liked this scene. I feel like the story Paul Tricky has is regarding Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so too. Remember that's my excited You're gonna be so excited that day. I liked it because I loved seeing Jim and Cindy interact.

I think they have such a real they they seem married, the way he says, what's the matter, honey, And you know, it just seemed the way that was written. The whole thing about it was just really good. I had a hard time listening because I was so distracted by her plaid suit while she's making the fried chicken. Um who wears a plaid sigurt? I mean suit, full suit jacket, and no little shorts, a little take the jacket off. The jack off. If you're gonna get grease splattered on it,

come on, that's going to ruin that, I know. And then she wears it for the rest of the episode. Well, Jim is in a row, he's in a different outfit. He comes like, I wonder if it just smells the food, and then he put after shave on. Let's go to iron first, because we want to save the best for the middle. I mean, it's kind of juicy and dramatic, but kind of dumb. Part which part which hacker and they is on the case? Do the fans really come

to investigate? The synopsis there through me because it said that the Feds were investigating this. Maybe back then it was a big deal. They had the time apparently to come to school investigate the Wow. Yeah, I don't know. I was really into Hutchins. Yeah, a good character actor, Like what was he and you know he probably was in something back in the Yeah, you're talking about the janitor, right, yes, yeah, I could have watched him for a while. So here's

my question. I mean, what a bad dude the janitor is? Right, like that is essentially a teacher at the school and he is blackmailing a child. Is he a teacher? He's not a teacher. I mean, I consider anyone that works in a school is like some sort of faculty, yeah, authority, and he's like literally blackmailing a kid. It's so that guy's shockingly evil for nine O two one, oh, do you know what I mean? Like that's a reister. Yeah. I just I was surprised he took a hundred bucks.

I was surprised he didn't want more. It was like, I know, he's like we're good for a now or whatever. I was like. Then he then he wised up and he was like, oh, I see I can get some more money. It's so inappropriate and like I don't know, I don't buy it, but like, okay, I can suspend whatever disbelief. Is that what they say? I kind of appreciate the effort of putting making another storyline, so like, um, what cereal? Like it goes from episode episode episode like

it builds, but how much more? What's gonna is somebody going to go to jail? The feaser there? What's going to happen? Like is it does it keep going? I don't know, well and we have the drama of the legacy, but she secretly means, is I hope it ends next? I hope a done? Please tell how many more episodes? And the Brandon knows, Brandon knows. Brandon's like, dude, I know this is like a series arc now, like why and then Andrea wheeling around in a wheelchair. I can't

put the lengths straight out. That's really gotta be awkward. Getting the do look so hard Because you told me that story last week, I was like, do I see the feet? Do? I seem like is it a cast? And it was just a blank at this time. I don't know. So now though, it is starting to make sense why Iron said to you Tori the legacy key was such a major thing because I think he considers the legacy key this entire yep. Seeing that now, yeah, makes sense, makes sense. Done in David, Uh, I didn't

have a lot to do in this episode. They were just kind of like in and out, in and out, but still together. They moved the storyline along a lot. Just yeah, I didn't there was not anything meat there for them this week. I didn't feel like and Donna's so interesting. I was thinking about this story because with the Kelly Brenda like all that. It's like Donna really throughout the series is the peacemaker, the you know, she really is trying to you know, the therapist of the group,

kind of trying to keep everybody. I don't know what what the word is for that PTSD. I mean because in real life, like it was a little bit of that too, like when there would be like offset but still on set friction between Jen and Shannon because you know we've discussed before we were all friends. They were friends, but they too strong personalities and when things would happen to areas women, you know, it would and I would just be like, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay,

like still like me kind of thing. So it's very Donna, very telling. Also what you just said referring back to the person that blends Shannon and Brenda, because you all do two in some ways, I think we might have been more obviously art imitates life imitates art type of deal a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it always felt like we were we were with Shannon, not Brenda when

we were off camera, like it never that, Okay. I guess my question would be for Jenny, it's like it was hard for you now and over the course of the Kelly versus Brenda. You know, I'm team Brenda, and it made you feel bad. So does it, Like we talked about this this week, it bleeds. So maybe maybe you never would have had friction with Shannon if the storylines would have been different. I don't know. Maybe not.

I don't know, because maybe it's inside your body's like like you said, you you girls are against each other, that's what you're supposed to do, Like yeah, yeah, like maybe it infiltrates, Like I don't I don't know. I'm being like, maybe we need a therapist. Maybe because we were so young and like and so impressionable at that age, maybe it did have a deeper impact on us than

either of us really recognized or want to recognize. Really, it's like if someone tells you you're mean, You're mean, you two times your friend, you two times your friend. You did this, you did this, you did this, you did this. At some point you go, I did this. I'm a bad person. Yeah, this is gonna go in the backyard and eat some worms. Like I suck. I mean, I mean, Kelly sucks. But right, but Okay, you said

I sunk and you don't. But Kelly's I don't think she's like but it blurs, it blurs, blurs, it burns, it blurs. I don't know, Like Tori, did you ever have that same experience maybe with the being the virgin or if Donna was the good girl, if Tori Spelling was being more of a bad girl, did it mix you up? Now? It's interest fair, No, I mean it is a part. I mean third season, all the characters are getting really highly infused in some way with the actual actors. I feel like, m hm, and it's coming

out more. There's more freedom, I think two okay for safety in the job. Now we're relaxed. People are just being themselves a little bit more. And yeah, there was a few times watching this episode that when I saw Shannon playing Brenda, I was like, that felt more Shannon then Brenda. There was just a couple of moments and I was like, yeah, I'm seeing it come out. I could see it. Mh. Wow. Well let's take a good break,

you guys. I think we should take a break and come back and continue on m First of all, how hot was Brenda in her opening scene when she walks into the school in the boostier with her hair all like fell had that hat. She looked like hot mama, Like what a voie? Her hair is amazing, amazing hair. Oh yeah, always that outfit. I just kept staring at it, like I got distracted. It was distracting. But Donna was

wearing the cutest outfit that totally was stylish today. The crop top vest was short, like it was like very fashionable today. What are you wearing khakis? It was like that commercial. Yeah, she's in khaki and to thigh. You know when you get like when you're in a breakup and it's like when you get a divorce or whatever, you want to look extra hot, like right, and you're

really after it. Like I knew that. I felt that coming in strong and she was like, I'm gonna look good in this episode because I need to like show him or show them or something, you know. So I have one technical question that I thought was really interesting about the episode. I think Tori and Brenda, sorry Donna

and Brenda. See I didn't even flinch, Like, Okay, Donna and Brenda are walking and you're walking, you know, through the school yard or whatever, and then you walk into the classroom, and then it was this really cool segue right to Ian and David and I know from the West Wing they call it like a walk and talk. It's like one shot, so you would not be complicated to do, right, do you remember that at all? Like you can't mess it up or you screwed them? Yeah?

I feel like we hated those We were like taken so long because they would probably do it like fifty million times because there's so many moving parts. There's like wait, sorry, I'm backtracking, not really, but Jen, like if you're out somewhere you just hear someone randomly say Kelly, do you turn around? Oh great question? Um, first I get scared. I kind of get like nervous and the hunch of my shoulders up a little, and then I had to

be invisible. Like do you ever feel that feeling of like if I just hold really still, it'll go away. It'll they won't It won't be about me. Yeah, you don't want the attention, you're like, because sometimes people sometimes people will do that just to like prove that I am. Like, they'll yell out Kelly just to see I do react, because if I do react, then it's really me. But a lot of the time, they're not talking about me at all. They're just talking to somebody else named Kelly.

But I but first, like gut, it's like when someone says, mom, you always turn it's not your kid, like, so I'm just saying, like, if you just hear like Kellarie, like for just a second, even in your head, like do you do you? Oh, if someone says Donna anywhere and they're just like, it's a girl named Donna, I always like I'll respond to Tory Donna mom, like what I like, yeah, I turn around. Yeah, it's definitely something that perks are ears up and you're like, okay, yeah, you guys, this

is crazy pisis because we're proving our own points. Oh my god, where geniuses like we I mean surprise. So I guess we need to start with Jenny, who who that? Okay, I want to know how you were feeling last night or this morning whenever you watched it right after, like how your body felt, like how you're emotional. Not Kelly, but like Jenny Garth. I had so much anxiety watching this episode, like physical shortness of breath, like someone is

sitting on my chest, that kind of feeling. I was so nervous and just like I just have notes all over my favorite I have anxiety, I have anxiety, I have any But it got me going, like I was, it was stressful and I'm and it was it was something so sweet and beautiful about it, but then there was something so ugly and embarrassing and and like what I don't want to ever be and I doesn't want to see Kelly having to be in that position or Brenda. It was just really messed up, just so messed up.

And also I felt like this guy he might be real, real cute, but is he really worth this, like destroying a friendship or and also the way he's acting like it didn't seem to matter to him, and the way he leaves m hmm, it's just what he does, right, he walks out cowardly. It's just cowardly. And it started like as a woman, Yeah, I really recognized how lost a mix up in this emotion. These two girls were about a guy who really didn't deserve it. Oh, Heavy Tory,

what about you? I mean I'd love to ask you the same question, how you felt like as the credits rolled, so I've been like truly invested, you know, obviously I used to. Like back the day, I was always like, oh my god, like Brenda and Dylan, they were an ultimate couple, like I want that when I get older. And then rewatching it, I was like, you know what

they had, they just weren't meant to be. Maybe they were like on some level soulmates some but not this lifetime, not meant to be or right now, maybe somewhere down the road, um, but you know. And then Kelly and Dylan, I was like, yes, yes, yes, So I just love them together. I love the chemistry, I love everything about them. This week, I had a hard time staying focused on the storyline because I was so I felt nervous every scene I was taken out because I felt nervous for

gents reaction. To be honest, for my reaction. Now, yeah, the discuss I really did. Each time I was like, oh, man, like, yeah, it was hard to She's not going to be happy about this, She's that this is gonna hurt her soul. Like, yeah, it was hard. It was hard for me to watch. One of the conversations, Tory, that's very interesting you brought

that up. One of the conversations going on on social is are you seeing it differently as you're rewatching it, like these guys watching are saying back then in the nineties they were team Brenda and watching it now they are team Kelly. And I'm sure the reverse is true too. So Jenny, for you, when you were doing it, what was your experience versus now watching it? Like, when you were doing it, did you feel any of the things you're feeling now? It was just true what you're probably feeling.

Other things like not not related to this topic. I was. I mean when I was working with Luke, when we were shooting those scenes, like the scenes at the observatory, which I had totally forgotten about, amazing classic scene. Um I was. I could tell. I could remember how special that time was and how um good it felt to be working just with him and for he and I to be to get to have that time together. I remember really loving, right, did you, because can you remember

it all? Like you must have had multiple days up there just the two of you, because none of the rest of the cast was there or would have been there. It would just be you guys with the crew because that was the Griffith absorbing observatory. That was it, which is thus Rebel with a Cause, because in Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean, there was a big observatory Natalie, what, oh,

that's great knowledge, Tori. I didn't realize that. Yeah, it was just what it felt like time was standing like time was standing still when we were doing that stuff, like it was like frozen and I had forgotten all about it, and now watching it, I remember how it felt.

And it was all the things. It was good and bad and confusing and exciting and terrifying and you know, but then there was also that like the factor reality of going and doing the scene in the restaurant where Kelly and Dylan are are having a weird dessert moment, like what what was happening with that chocolate mouse? The history of why she eat she can't have a bite of dessert? Oh I shouldn't girl eat the dessert. And then you go a tiny bit and he literally gave

you like like a pin dot. Oh my gosh. That means that makes me think like it would have been so luke to like smashing your face. But we're like, yeah, I'm just just kidding. And then you guys would like be like happy um or actually you would, you would have done that first, right, But if there was just a pin dot, I feel like, was he giving you too much? At first? I wonder if there was like some like something back and forth like can you not give me so much food? I'm trying I have to

talk like why. He probably thought it was funny, probably, and then finally he's like, ok ok wait before the drama, when you watch yourself with that really like beautiful, amazing shot with l A behind you, and you guys must have been kissing for hours and hours and hours because obviously it's like a seven minute kissing scene, so that probably took days. What are you watching? One day took one night, one night, it was nine days of kissing.

What do you think when you're because I'm trying to think as a fan, what I'm thinking when I'm watching the makeout? What are you thinking? Because it's you? I mean at that time in my life. Now, okay, both both both both people are gonna kill me if you don't do both both. I mean, I was into it,

we were filming it. I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't thinking about much other than I'm like, you have to think because there's a part where your legs are like so beautifully crossed while you're making out on that ledge. Are they like going okay? Or were you guys kind of just doing your thing? We were just kind of doing I'm pretty sure. And at the hands, the hands to the yes and the hair like, so, what do you think when you're watching it now? Because really blushed.

I don't know why because it was major was major beauty. They had a lot of chemistry, that's for sure, those two kids, I mean, I guess. And then the kissing in the restaurant over the table, I mean, this entire episode is like Kelly and Dylan kissing. Yeah, And as I'm watching it, I'm like, I want them to keep kissing, Like I as a person watching the show fan, I want to see more of that because I like it same. Okay, I have a question, what do you think would have

happened had Dylan and Kelly not bumped into Brenda and Reek? Like, question, what do you think would have and should have? M m both of you? They probably well, he said come home with me, spend the night with me, Kelly, that that would have that would have gone They would have gone home and done things. I think so too, Yeah, things are I think it would have done it for sure, which I was like, whoa, Kelly, slow your roll, like, slow it down. I really wanted. I wrote down, whoa,

she's really moving fast, but she wan't. Then she says she wants to take it slow. Yeah. So at the observatory, why they're it was so weird because I was like, what do you think is going to happen here? Like, it's not like like you guys are gonna have sex right observatory. They're wait wait, wait, wait, gotta stop them, like, and

they're so dressed fancy. And also this is those moments where I'm like, this is not high school, Like, no to high school kids go to that fancy, five star restaurant and eat Like I was thinking the same thing. But then I was thinking, they're both really rich, like they they're both comfortable with that kind of excess because that's with the life that they've lived. And so it didn't make It didn't bother me so much that they were at a fancy, grown up restaurant. It was weird

that you called it growning all grown up. It was weird that he was wearing a tie. That was a little weird. High schoolers say spend the night with me? What what? What What would what would he have said? A high school kid does not say spend the night with me? Well, first of all, high school kids don't have houses like he has with no parents. High school kids have curfews and they have to be home by like I think twelve fifteen. Still, because like, how was Kelly spending the night?

Like you have a mom, Like that is a question, like you're just allowed. You would probably lie and say I stayed at Grinda's house or Downa's house, but the irony of that would have been But I was like, wow, that is really um difficult to do. When they get up from the restaurant table and they're walking and kissing and walking, well, how do you that? Loo was really complicated to kind of walk straight ahead but be kiss they at the same time. Very weird and obviously we

knew you were going to bump into them. But also really, there's four bajillion restaurants in l A, Like, come on, really, but it's meant to me. It was startling, even though I knew it was like a chasscare, I was like, oh god, oh, I mean there was so many moments in this episode, like there were so many just lines that we're hard for me, like when he said, uh, the first one was like what he said to Kelly, we don't have to hide it anymore, And I thought,

why I'm so confused. I was so confused because I hadn't really been hiding it. I've just been like stuffing it, and he wasn't hiding anything because he was just back with Brenda. Well, and did you notice they kissed at school? That I was going to say that that really felt so wrong. Everybody could have seen them. Everyone could everyone

was out there. It's not where was everyone? They see everything, like there's no other characters around, and it's not like the other kids in school don't know what other kids are dating. So like, even if Brenda and Donna weren't around, like all the other kids would have been like, did you just see Dolan and Kelly kissing in the quade? Is that travels fast? Does it happen that quickly? Like less than forty eight hours? They were both like moving

on to somebody else. Yeah, because I think Donna even acknowledges that with with Brenda. Yeah she did, was Donna? Mm hmm? All then a also then he said, well, first then she says to Kelly, no, he's free to go out with whoever he wants. But she didn't know that she was talking about Kelly, right, and nobody says that intending that their best friend is included in that. So I do feel for Brenda. Look, I was sort

of understanding Brenda throughout this episode. She was trying to take the high road and trying to say to Dylan, like, do you you should date who you want? I'm going to date, like this is our whole point. But I don't think her intention was ever meaning including my best friend.

I understood why she was so heartbroken when she bumping I mean, that's it's one thing to say that, but then for her to find out that he was had moved right on to anybody else would have been hurtful, because there's difference since saying in and actually living it. But hey, yeah, for Tivy, Kelly was like, oh my god. Yeah, I mean, I guess we have to think about this.

She's out with Rick and and Dylan acknowledges it. He was the guy that gave her the tour in France, that she kissed in France, so he is also right to be sort of irritated, like he's from because she's moved on so fast. So just like Brenda is right to be hurt, so is Dylan. Yeah, but because there if they're going to stand there and be so hurt, like get back together, Like I was like, I didn't feel for him though, like he's making himself not very vulnerable. Yeah,

he was kind of jerky about it. Yeah, what the writing is? What did you both think when he said you broke up with me? And then Kelly was very hurt by that. Yeah, that's like a private discussion that you probably don't want to have in front of your future fling. Yeah, how rude. Yeah, and Kelly makes a great point when she's back at Dylan saying I feel like second choice and he's like, you're not, but she's like,

I don't know that. Well, what about when when they were in the school hallway and they have their was in the hallway where they meet up. Yeah, uh, where Kelly goes over to talk to Brenda, which I thought was really brave, and then then it gets heated and Brenda says, well, at least I wasn't like second choice or sloppy seconds or whatever she said, And then Kelly says neither was I, And at that moment I was like, wait, yeah, you're early. Yeah you well, I think to me, I

understood that because he picked her over Brenda. He was with Brenda in the summer, they weren't broken up, and he picked Kelly. I don't think Kelly is second choice, but she's just the next choice. M M. I don't know. I see that made a old difference. It's painful. Like, honestly, though, what about what about this line? Sometimes when you really care about someone, honesty isn't always the best policy. That's I got very upset because you automatically like bring it

into your own life. You can't help not. You're like, yeah, I don't want that. I don't want that, like and they're like, oh, it's just it's just a TV show, not about me, but right, Yeah. But then if you think about it, like, has there ever been a time when you were dishonest because telling the person that you care about would be so hurtful to them and have

such a negative impact on them. Yeah, of course, but when you hear it, you always think about it first, probably as like if that was done to me, But then if you think about it, you're like, well I've done that. Yeah. Uh so Tori in this you have done like if you're everybody, what would you have done? Pressure? Yeah, like I would love to know that. And Jenny has like all of them once? Yeah, like should they have told Brenda like should they like who? What is the answer? Yeah?

I don't know the answer. Well I know, but what's gonna happen? But okay, so I don't know. I don't know. But the kiss at school, going out to dinner so risky, like Peach, I don't know. It all felt really wrong. It felt like okay, too fast, right, so yeah, but so typical of our show. But so I guess I was like, oh, yeah, you're good, but know they're smarter than that. Yeah, Jenny, what about you? What would you have liked to have seen if this were real life? Maybe?

I don't know. I would have liked to see the dust settle a little bit and um, give everybody a minute to just sort of get their bearings about them and make choices based on on that, rather than it felt like their their choices were kind of for the wrong reasons. A little bit on Dylan's part and maybe on Brenda's part was it weird that Brenda started literally

dating Rick right away. I mean he's over at the house picking her up and just bonding with Jim and Cindy and then clearly over for dinner the next night or I don't know if it was two nights, but probably the next night. Do we judge that? What do we think of that? Can we call him? It was like three words? So think about Dylan maybe brooding, but at least he's not boring or something like Yeah, I think it's interesting that we're so critical of Dylan and Kelly.

But does Brenda get a pass, like for just going out with Rick? Like literally she's very serious with Rick. Ish for me, I just I love Dylan and Kelly together so much that I wanted it to play out longer. That you can't always get what you want and like hiding it more and the like that they feel, and

maybe it's getting more and more. Like maybe that kiss, let's say it's like happened at school, but it was like there was a worry about it, like it can't happen because we all know you want what you can't have, Like that's human nature, at least when you're young. So like as a fan, Like, I just wanted to see that play out a little bit more rather than Okay, Brenda Dylan are broken up, Okay, Kelly Dillon together. Yeah,

like I wanted more time in there. Yeah, still like observatory. Fine, because it's just them, we can say like amongst everyone like it. I didn't like it. I thought David was very sweet once again to his sister. You know, he was wearing the full Ronald McDonald outfit. Likely he loves stripes, but he was very sweet. You know, he's not judging the situation. And he really said to Kelly, like he likes you. He cares about you. Do you know you're in the bed with the big red T shirt on?

He says, I'm thinking. Sorry, he says, I'm not sure that's how Dylan sees it or something like that. But how does he know? That's my question? How does David? No intuitive dude, But he's just very sweet. He's very brotherly to Kelly now and I like the senior relationship. So then what about Dylan just taken off rebel with a cause that pissed me off. Yeah, that just really piss me off. Is he in next week? I'm sure you? Yeah, I think, so, are you sure? No, I can't remember.

I honestly have no idea, but I would think, so, how can they just do that? And then I don't know, it was just so like, oh, comedia, Oh I'm just gonna take off for a while. I was like, oh, maybe he had to film something else. I don't know. I was silly, but that was my instinct. I am starting to really see the best friend nous between Brandon and Dylan, and I like that a lot because I really have been missing that lately. You know, that's his

last stop. That's where he goes like and Brandon says, like you're driving out of school, like they I really have always liked that relationship because at that point, Brandon doesn't know about the Kelly Brenda the thing, doesn't noe. That would be a conversation that they would probably need to have mm hmm is to talk about as bros.

You know, like this happen a weird moment because I know I just watched this episode, like literally last night, does does do Brenda and Reek bump into Kelly and Dylan? And then the next night Rick comes over for dinner like she wasn't I don't think so I think you see them. He takes her home that night, right, but then she breaks up with him. Oh, you're right. I thought it was two different. Yeah, that is a little weird.

Like she goes through this trauma like as a teenager, I would have been in my bed with the covers over my head for days. So she has this traumatic experience and then the next night he comes over for family dinner. It's kind of weird. It was really funny though, and he was uh, they were talking about stuff no one cares about him and Jim and then the just the look on Brenda's face was like, really cracked me

up because it felt so real. I thought the whole scene Shannon was like a great actress because there's the crying, which was really good, and then he kind of goes to hug her and she makes the face that is the exact face you would actually make in that situation. I was like, whoa, she nailed it. So is this that's the breakup scene? And when then we don't see

Reek anymore? Well, okay, now then I'm confused because when Dean was on or at some point there was a conversation with us that he had to do singing with Jim. They cut it. He referenced it, So I don't know if they cut it because it's on Amazon and they couldn't clear the music, or if it was on the cutting room floor, because remember he comes down the stairs and he's like, I never thought I would be sing with your dad tonied like in the original airing? Was

that in? I don't know. I kind of feel like there was a scene where they were both singing at the piano. Yeah. I think Amazon had to cut it because we all watched on Amazon, right Hulu hul oh, I watched on Amazon. It wasn't in the Amazon either. M weird from our crack staff is going to have to watch it on the DVDs. Thanks to Crystal, we have them. I wanted to see that scene though it would have it would have been good. But then, yeah, she was just waiting downstairs for him and he was

up in her dad's bedroom basically at the piano. Do you think it would be a turn off like it was to her or would you like it that your family's bonding with the boyfriends so much because that's been

such an issue with Dylan. I feel like if she really was into him, she would have liked it more, But I don't think she was that into him from the He was just ever Yeah, No, he was just something to fill her, a catalyst for which I also find totally because as like a human girl, if you're like, um, I'm in high school and the hottest dude, because like, look, Dean Kane is a hot dude. U c l A likes me. I think I've been into that, Like, don't

you want to be like a girl? You're some seventeen year old fool breaking with Dylan, isn't she well that to take away from the phone at the end when she calls him, I felt like she was calling him because she missed him, or she was so sad. Mm hmm. Well how would you get over someone that quick? You wouldn't after two years the love of your life so far. I don't know. It doesn't work like that. It's don't you guys think this is a hot mess. It is

a hot mess. Yeah it is, and I'm there for it and I want to know what's going to happen next. Let's take a break and come back with fashion. You guys, m m, you don't remember what's coming. I know, I don't remember what's coming dude? What's wrong with you? Guys? Like it's so gnarly. I don't know if it's next week or the week after, but like, oh god, I too, I've blocked it from my memory banks coming up, right, that's how traumatic it is. I mean, probably some bajillion

views on YouTube that scene. It's like iconic. You know, you know Tor and I know I do not know what you're talking about. What's saying? How do you not know? Because like it's like probably one of the most I don't want to say iconic moment because it's so brutal. I still know when you see it, you'll know you're like, oh, of course, I just got away the things that I do. You guys, don't do this to me, Like I have to do my breathing hold on the scene with Kelly

and Dylan and Brenda Yea, the one at the restaurant. No, it's coming up? Is it in the next episode? Well, it's either next week or the week after. I mean at the front door. This is the theory. In theory though, think about it, Like, you guys are now together, Like at some point, is she going to find out who he was with over the summer. This is not bringing anything back to Hu. I got nothingnt front door. You guys going to walk on down the front but nothing.

I'm sure when I see it. Wait, what about what about that line? Uh? If it looks like a duck and it quacks like what was if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck? I was always told if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. Go to hell, Go to Hell. Yeah. I loved your go to Hell, but that if I Okay, I feel like, why did Shannon in that moment not say can I say something that teens really say? Like this is a big moment, so true tory, like fight

for that, that's what you need to fight for. Like line like that. I was literally trying to wrap my head around it. It was so bizarre, if you see. I think the most iconic line in this episode is when Dylan says anywhere but here. Oh at the end when he's in the school leaving after Mrs Teasley says like he lost his case or whatever, and then someone says, where are you going? Either you do or Brenda? Anywhere

but here? That's like icon I love it that the writers like had the depth to make you know how in life you you are fight or flight? Yeah, you're one or the other, you know, And they they gave that character depth all the way down to that level. He's a he flies, he's he hits the road when she hits the fan. Yeah, and it tracks with the character. It's what that guy would do. Yeah. I thought that was really cool, just like acknowledging the depth of that

character that they created. I actually feel bad for him. I know it's sort of like a B story or a C story whatever about the S A T thing. Yeah, same, But who do you feel bad about? Oh, Dylan. I feel bad that they don't believe him, and he wants everyone to believe him, and I think that's sort of yeah, Okay, they don't believe it. But they didn't have a record of him signing in. So why is that? I forgot So he signed in, but they don't be he came late, he signed it, and so they don't have a They

can't match the signature. I prove that it wasn't because the just as someone faked it and took it for him, signed an infliptence and they don't have another signature to prove it. But like they that's just sort of a like a secondary story, but it's brutal, like as as that character, that's major what's happening to him with that? And I think that really divided Dylan and Brenda. It seems trivial, I guess, but when you really think about it,

he's a character. He's like, this is you're talking about my character. I don't lie, don't cheat this He kind of does, but you know what, but he didn't cheat on the test, so and Brenda believes him, but she's like, just take the test again. Where he's saying, on principle, I am a man of principle. I didn't do this, and I want everyone to defend me and believe me. I listen, I'm a person who stands on principle a lot,

and it is a lonely fight. Like you have to you really need to evaluate that because your principles, at the end of the day, are not the same as someone else's principles. So when you're I've realized, like when I'm standing on my principles, like on my high horse, it's like it's a lonely place you're going to fall, and you're going to be alone because everybody's got a different principle or a different way of seeing something. Yeah. Yeah,

it's a great, great point. I heard nothing you said, because is there someone picking up poop in your backyard right now? There's either your husband or a murderer in your window right now, my husband. Let's hope he is picking up doction. Listen, you need to run. Okay, I have a question about First of all, I know I need to work on that. You're not supposed to say I have a question. You're supposed to just ask the question. So here's my question. Did you guys see that there

were two Star Trek jokes in this episode? And each one flew over my head and I should have gone back. There was a Star Trek joke between David and Iron, maybe because of his First of all, I just did it again David and Steve Stripe. Sure, And then there was a Star Trek joke. No, I don't know that. Those I didn't ever get. I still don't because not a Star Trek fan. But even when Luke was doing that awful impersonation of someone on Star Trek, I I

didn't get it. But the guys, do you remember that tour? They used to just they used to talk like the Star Trek guys all the time. I loved imitating William Shatner like it was. It was a big why it's in there? Yeah yeah, maybe yeah, no way. And then I noticed Steve has finally unbuttoned know where air ties you guys? The air time phase has maybe passed, which is very exciting. I think so too, because he has two scenes with a shirt unbutton noticed. Noticed, Thank god,

fashion moment for you, missy. Oh well, I love that Kelly and Brenda both wear black dresses and like they were just very different black dresses. I love them both, but I was like, I was loving that, um you know again there was more plaid. I hated Luke's too. I was a platy. Right, it's really bad. I'm not fitting. I just like and he and he also donned the Canadian tuxedo a jean jacket with the if anyone could rocket, it would be him, like I can pass. Brenda won

it with the opening outfit. Good. It needed like a song to go with it, like really send it over the edge. Jim in the robe. Dottie is a cutie I'm not a line. Dottie had like a cool, you know, work dress. Um, the girls were out at work. That's when I was like, hello, Dundy to tease right exactly. David's Ronald McDonald. I mean he was wearing bright red pants and it's a right yellow shirt and then but then also an umpire outfit one time, like he was

wearing black and white stripe. Even you were in a black You were in a scene with him, and I honestly felt as if you when you looked over at him, you were like what are you wearing? Like I could feel really like you didn't like it either. Do you ever do that when you're with you, like your significant other someone and you look and you're like, wow, okay, yeah,

that's the man I love. I also laughed because there's a scene where it's Dylan in a white T shirt with a button down over and Brandon's in a white T shirt, like same stylist, like the same outfit, just different. They weren't bff. So boys can do it too. Oh my gosh. Next week's episode, I'm really excited to see what happens. Next episode is season three, episode fourteen, Wild Horses. Before we hang up. Yeah, are we in like party line? Remember you used to call it try line when we

had landlines. This is the only part, well not the only part, but one of the reasons Brenda made me a little cookie cuckoo in this episode is when she's talking about Rick and she says, and he's crazy about me? Is that annoying? It's almost braggy or do you guys not care? I thought it was braggy. Well he was,

so she ain't lying. But have you ever said that, like, especially not a teenager now, but sometimes teenagers at least nowadays, like their front is very like confident, like you look great, I know, and you're like, oh my god, I would never say that. Like teens say that all the time, and it's like, but do they really feel that way or like it's just like they're trying something like he's crazy about me? But like and then I thought it

was interesting. I'll take y'all, I'll let it go. When there's a very subtle line when Brenda says to Kelly, you've known Dylan forever, what do you think? And it's like interesting they wrote that in just to re iterate, like we get that a lot now that like they have the history and that's what's drawing them to each other, which I just think is important. Yes, they do know each other. I think that's the backbone of their relationship. Is there familiarity with each other and the circum Why

am I chopped liver? What do you mean? Yeah, that's a great point. Haven't I known you guys forever? Yeah, but you're not in the love triangle, I know. I just wish she had been like, well, you guys have known Dylan forever, and then Kelly's like takes it personally because it's about you guys. I don't know. I was just weird. I was like, I'm sure they've all gone to school together, like probably the three of them. I don't know. Donna has been there the whole time as well.

I know they've said it before, but it was like, you and Dylan have a scene together, not anyone else. And you were in that scene when she said that, right, yeah, standing right there like right, like yeah, they knew nothing. And poor johnas like I was, I've been there for like the last ten years, two since preschool. Cool story of my life exactly, Hey guys, here us Poor Johna's like whatever, whatever, catching season ten bitches. It's like, I'm gonna trying to get the two fifty dollars to turn

in whoever the hacker is. Whoa. The Feds are really bringing it so fun. You guys loved it, loved it. It's scared for the Instagram. But I'll be reading it all I'm so excited to read it. I read it to Amy. By the way, you guys give Amy some props in love too, Like they're so nice. They make my whole life literally. But more often than not, when when people hate hate someone or they have a problem with them, they'll say it. And people people love, there's

more love always, but some people say it. But if you love someone, you don't always think to say it. You're just like, huh, it's great. I love it. Well, they love you, guys, they do you know what? Amy? I love you, Tori, I love you. I love you, Jennifer Eve, Amy. What's your middle name? Amy? Oh my god, if, oh my god, I just made my day. I love you, guys. In the iconic words, in the iconic words of Jim Walsh, I want to sleep with you. I mean sleep on it. We AB's realize your initials are a s S, I

know it's not okay on that goodbye. People love you.