Lady in Red (S1, E10 “Isn’t It Romantic”)

want to, but I just love that. I feel like you could go even more. We'll talk about it for summer. I have been almost your guys this color. I did it once and it was crazy, but it was just so much of an upkeep. But how did you feel? Do you feel blonds have more fun? I think do? I think that blondes do have more fun. I know, I think blonds do have more fun, for sure, but I think brunettes get taken more seriously. That's interesting. I

believe she's right. I think you stand out of your blonde you know, it's like brunettes can kind of just like I can hide in the crowd of people and like you do not really go notice, but if your blonde hair, you kind of stand out just staying maybe so yeah, but I just I colored my hair totally dark ones and I wasn't a fan. You weren't a fan. But I was a fan because I could go anywhere and not be recognized and people actually what I was saying instead of what looking at me? That's it was crazy,

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for this. That's a major episode in the history of nine o two and now this is it. This is a big one. I think so too. This is episode ten. It's called Isn't it mantic and it aired on January. Tell him what it's about. Well, while Brandon is wary, Jim is definitely opposed to the growing attraction between Brenda and Dylan. Now that's a storyline, But the b storyline is it's sex said people, sex s everybody's favorite subjective and a really fun Steve Sanders. It's such a Steve Yeah,

with a twist. We see a sweet seat, a sweet side of Steve in this episode. I love it. I love it when it gets all sentimental and gooey. Yeah. Yeah. So the episode opens up with Brandon and Dylan working on the car and did they have to be that grease? I was like, why so much grease? What are they doing? I didn't mind seeing Dylan McKay covered in Greece. I'm not gonna lie, but it was I felt like Brandon had like one grease smear on his shoulder, Am I wrong? No?

And then like one space his arms, his shirt, his front, his back from it was like he was, yeah, drug behind something compared to Dylan. Well, no matter what, a man in Greece is hot though, and Dylan has to shower at the washes. Oh my gosh. It was the first of many shower scenes. I'm sure. I mean it's instant flirting between them too. They had been flirting for so many episodes, have they really? I felt like this

came so far. I felt the same way the last Yeah, really, I felt like there was some one, but this one was just like, here's the story. It was kind of like we've seen it, like the Wall shows, like when Cindy had her almost a fair like all of a sudden, it was like we didn't know the back story, but something major was happening. It felt that way a little bit with Brendan Dylan, like all of a sudden, it was like it was on, but we didn't know it at already been started. Really a gong. It was on

the like Donkey dog well. So we yeah, we flip floped between the whole Brenda Dylan storyline and the sex ed storyline. So what should we talk about first? Should we just stick with the bridge that out or should we go back and forth? Okay, Brenda and Dylan, Um, first of all, when they go on their well, first they have that like three threesome days like her and her brother and you know, uh Dylan, and then out

and listen to the c ds, you know those like things. Yeah, that's what we used to do back in the day. Not a record, but a c D Uh. Yeah, where did those go? By the way, do you guys still have CDs? I do you know what? I still have them in the garage and I don't know what to do. I just need to throw them away. At this I went from like having them to having them in like a binder, taking all the cases out and just keeping the CD and put him in Like didn't you probably

I's gone. I got right. Found a cassette you guys of a compilation of all the nine two songs used WHOA Like? I have it, like the O G songs. Yeah, it was from I don't know I have I have the cassette. I don't know where I can play it, but I have it. I also have a cassette track of um of you Me, Shannon and Christina Leice doing I know, yeah, we know, but we can't sing it. When you guys wore the black dresses breaking up this deleted? Yeah hard to do. Yeah, we had we had to

reenact that in beach and that. That was a scurry night. A lot of feelings came back I don't know, but I was like, god, I don't I don't want to slick my hair back. That was fine when I was a teenager, but now I don't want to do No one wants to see that. But we did it with the help of wine. You me and Shannon had wine. That helped. But I, yeah, go back to just me, to what you're saying. I feel like for me, it came like who like fast and I all of a sudden,

Brenda and Dylan were holding hands as they leave. They walk into the to the hotel room where his dad is and I didn't see that. I didn't see them getting to that yet. I don't know which. Maybe everything is just intense, so toxic from the get go. That but he's such a bad boy, such the boy that every girl is like I want him. I don't want him, Like, yeah, he's like bad but exactly emotionally available or a little bit too available, But that's my kind of guy. He

breaks the pot and she has she's so scared. Oh, she runs so fast, but he catches her with with the with like some violent action there. He's like grabs her, flips a around, and then they make out. Because that's what you do and that makeout though, did you notice like he really does like go in at such a different time, Like he goes in and he has his hand on her neck and then around her waist and it's just so like, Yeah, I felt that was a good chemistry in that kissing scene. Yeah, I felt it,

and I felt it a lot. Is that weird? No? I think every girl you're getting Are you guys getting antsy for when we get to your kissing scenes? Probably? Probably? Yeah, there's in here describing this when he grabs her neck and he goes in, there's so much chemistry multissect rs don't worry, like they definitely used tongue right, you guys said, are you sure? But I just felt like that kiss

wasn't it feel like the characters would have. And I also felt like after that scene, after Brenda decides that she's in love, there's just a new pep in her step, And I like, in love Brenda, she's so happy and like jubilant, you know, there's like a new energy about her. And I thought that was really cool to see that. In other areas, like she was in her sex said class with Steve, she was just more playful and not as serious or dramatic for a minute, you know. I

love that. And then Kelly, But Kelly is just all about like it's going to happen. It's going to happen. Like I feel like they had what one day, two dates? I know, okay, that's the thing. Holding hands is one thing, okay, But then all of a sudden, they're just under the assumption that they're going to be happened sexy time. Are they under the assumption or Kelly was just like pushing it. I don't know, No, in a good way. She was

like to be prepared, which was great. But they had one date and a threesome date with her brother, Like that's it stopped going a threesome date with her brother. Yeah, I felt like it. I don't know. I just as a mom of teens makes me a little more when they go so fast, because I'm a little old fashioned in my thinking, maybe not so much in my actions, but um like, yeah, I'm a little fashioned, and watching it,

I was like, oh, why so soon? But then Brenda at the end of episode, she kind of slows things down, which I really respected. Definitely, the the makeout scene, the couch in her living room, of her parents house was intense. I feel like they're going to get way more intense though, right, Like this is nothing good one for teenager? That was a lot. Why didn't they go out the front door? Had they not gone out the back door? He always comes in the front door. Duh, right out the back door.

I mean it makes sense in my mind, But grab your jacket one time, like they couldn't. They just sat there and picked up a book and pretended to pretend that they were reading. I mean, she didn't cook in her shirt. That's what drove me mad. Is I quickly would have tucked in the shirt. Dad giveaway. Brenda never

wears her shirts out with her jean shorts. Have you guys ever, um you know like been um maybe kissing a boy or or something, and um, your parents walked in on you when you were younger or you got busted like that somehow. I did have a rowdy eight birthday party that there was some drinking at and my dad was so against it and he was almost just like I want nothing to do with this, Like he basically left it all up to my mom. And he's like he was just like pissed about the whole thing.

In general, and he went into his office at some point in the night and one of my friends. He caught one of my friends with her boyfriend on his couch in our home his home office, and it was just so bad. He turns on the light, get downstairs. I did. I did come home once, and it was just in the back of a boy's car and there was just some petting. Petting to people say petting, Oh my god, I just what does that mean? Like he put your hair or your head touching. There was some touching.

I don't know the basses, you guys, but it was nothing, nothing below the base. Let's just put it that way. Okay, thank you. But I did, I guess take my top off and put it back on and then ah, wow, bra state on the way off. I'm not sure. Okay, fine, now you're embarrassing me. Yes. And I did come home because I had to be home by curfew. I always had the earliest curfew, so like eleven PM, you have to be home. My friends were like, we can say

it later. It's like whatever. So I came home and my mom was like, your t shirts on inside out? Oh noticed it. I'd like, you know, a little liked on and Doc Martin's and my T shirt on inside out and she noticed it. And I was like, you were mad at Brenda for not tucking her shirt in? Yeah? Because PTSD. So I was like, why did Brenda get on it? Yes? Mm hmm. And no matter what you say, parents, no, they just know, just like Jim Walsh, like, do you take me for stupid or what do you say? Like

they know? Yeah, they do, they do. I just assume every time my daughter comes home and she's been making out with her boyfriend, Yeah, makes it better in your head? And I'm not like, you know, I'm not pretending you just accept it. Does that make it easier for you or for her? Or for both? Probably both, I would imagine instead of me, you know, looking at her like she's an alien and grilling her. But I never got caught um that I can recall in with a with

a guy that young. No, I know. My my husband said that he walked in on his sister once and they were doing it and yeah he saw that scarden. I think how old was here? He was like twelve, I like twelve and eleven twelves and like that. Yeah, that's something you can't remove from your brain. Mm hmmmm. So when it's your sister. Yeah, I was really uncomfortable when Brandon was watching then, like be all flirty and touchy and I totally Brandon. If that's Brandon's buddy, Yeah,

that's a hard one. I would be so awkward. I got to say, like, up until now, we haven't really seen that connection as brother and sister. And this is the episode where he came in and like was all fired up to Dylan. Then he didn't show up, he didn't call her. Yeah, he's so he was so pretty and then and then he went just a little too far. He just took it a little too far and said she's a virgin right there in the science room. I thought that was a little t m. I yeah, well, well,

speaking of virginity, sex ad was another topic. Um, I think we should take a break and come back and reveal when you guys had the talk about Hi, you guys, welcome back before break. We were just about to get into it. Um, sex ad. This episode B storyline, it's all about sex ad, the consent forms. Um, you guys, wait, first of all, did you have this in school? Second of all, what age did you have the talk? The talk or did you didn't? Does anyone have the proper

talk anymore? I never got the talk from my mom mm hmmm, because probably I would shut her down. I'd be like, I'm good, I we're fine. I know, you know what's good. I'm I don't need to talk about that. I don't think, No, I don't. I never got it from my parents. I did. We did have like, um, the sex ed talk at school, but it was wait for years in sixth grade having it now. Oh yeah, so it was not in high school. Um, but then

I watched a lot of antone. No, so that was I taught you everything you need to know, Thank you, welcome, not lying. I was like, yep, at its at its prime. I was probably twelve thirteen years old, so parents got me a book. Those are like your college years. Did you get the American Girl American Girl doll book? I'm so old. There was not an American No, there's a book with the American Girl. Thought, oh no, that's about your body changing. Now. This this was kind of an

all encompassing it was a picture book. I think I got it when I was like literally like seven, you guys, and it was just like it showed everything about our body. But it was like from the seventies, so it was like there was a lot of big Bush in it. And I was fascinated by the saggy boobs and big bush, and I missed the whole point a bit of this is my body, this is his body, this is what the female body goes through. And then a man and a woman, you know, I can do this and with

the boobs, saggy boobs and big big bush. And I like took the book to school and showed it around, pulled it out of my locker, and I got in trouble. You were bringing like pornographic material to school seventh in the fifth grade? Yeah, not even how the seventh you're like second grade? No, second grade? Oh my god, I didn't know. It was a picture books Bad Girl, the boobies. It's really fun. Oh man, do I have you know? My kids are older than yours, as we know, and

so I don't know what your kids. You know, you haven't talked to them, obviously. This is an ebit tore. You have some pre teeners. Um, I'm the worst at it. I didn't. I tried to talk about it and they laugh at me. And then we don't end up getting

really anywhere. And then I'm like, well, but you guys know that you can always talk to me, right, Like you can ask me questions because there's stuff out there that you don't know that I know, and uh, I could tell you all about it, and they're just they won't have it talk and because they always say like you're supposed to talk about it because they might learn they but they can't learn this. But they think they know everything from TikTok. So if you even bring it

up there, like we know everything, they don't. He can't ever know everything their stuff. We still don't know probably like can they just started, Well, they can just start to the internet these days, right, like we didn't have that growing up cyclopedias right mm hmm. I didn't feel like it was what was the sex Heads teacher Mr Travis Kravitz. I thought it was Travis, Mr Pravits like Kravitz nex Door, like Lenny Kravitz, and like Lenny Kravitz.

I felt like Mr Kravitz really didn't do anything. He didn't teach them anything, and he just was weird, like kept stroking his beard and that weird. He was creepy, creepy. He was like do you think when they cast him? And they were like sex head teachers are out there, They're a little bizarre. But he was super funny when he was trying to fix his car when Steve Sanders walks up and it's like, can I help you? He

was really funny at that scene. I thought, like, in what world a teacher send a student out to go pick up the other sex? Said teacher that's flying in I know, just one of his students. And I did I miss something? Why did Steve offer to help? Like what's the problem? Like he was feeling why would why? And he was like you owe me? But what did he owe him? Is he going to fail the class or something like? Why would Steve? In the first season was all about Steve? So what was the reason he

was going to do that? Did I miss it? There's no reason. Did he think it was a lady? A lady? I think he was just hoping to score so he was just like to get like extra credit? Did he know it was a female? Are we sure it came out on that? I think he did. Yeah, I would have. I would have thought though if it was a female sex said teacher that it was someone older. I just would think, yeah, like a doctor Ruth. Yeah exactly, doctor. I love doctor r exactly. He can't imitate her. But

see her documentary it's really good. Dry. Yeah, she just came out with the documentary. It's so good, a documentary about herself, her her life. They show her she's like nineties something now and she's still working. She's like, it's like she's still sarcastic version of she's just she is on it, like just hustling. I wasn't sure. Okay, So the woman in the the is the guest speaker. She had she had AIDS. So this was in right freshly. Yeah,

and so that was much more of a topic. I think that it's talked about, was talked about then then it feels like it is now maybe, I mean I think so because AIDS. When did it like all kind of become really big in the eighties. Probably, Yeah, it was a huge. There was a lot of confusion. You didn't know if you could just get it from hugging somebody or saliva kissing somebody. Yeah, there were so many questions.

But I had a question because when she did her speech, she said, ah, always use a condom, and foam, and I was like, okay, I didn't catch that either. Do you guys know what fomas? It's called spermicide or something. It's like, I was just going to say that, but I didn't want to be completely wrong. I think that exists anymore. So I think maybe and maybe I'm wrong.

And this is just my own brain thinking, but what if back in the day didn't make the condoms with the spur you probably and then you have to spray something foam and vaginal inserts are placed into the vagina. How do you how do you do that? Someone walked me through, how do you unhealthy? How do you place a foam or vaginal insert into your vagina? Well, we'll

get you a book and likely in a moment. In the moment, I mean, I'm all for everyone using protection, but you put a condom on and they were like, and wait, I gotta put this vaginal insert foam, Like I'm sorry. Between both of those things, it's like, okay, forget it, which isn't a bad thing for teens. Maybe it's like a pre phone situation, like your phone before you go, or I mean you should do You're going to be the spokesperson, the phone. I'm Jenny Gard and

you should phone before you go. That was a good one. You never want a phone on it before the date. Yeah, it's a new product. People are gonna be like, wait, we didn't see what they talked about it, but we checked their merch and it wasn't there. Where's the phone?

Enough about the phone? I can't take it anymore? And I thought that they like, we're talking about the emotional aspects of what is involved when you do have sex with someone a lot in this episode, which I thought was really good because I just really loved you know who wrote this episode with Karen Rosen and I I felt like it had a woman's touch when it was talking about those you know, those moments when when Brenda was saying, how does it feel in your heart? Though?

And and that scene between her and her mom about the connection and that the desire to have that kind of connection, not just a physical connection, but a heart connection, and I don't know, I thought that was a really nicely done moment. You're so right between Brenda. I feel like we predominantly had male writers, so it is nice that Karen wrote that. Aaron Rosen, who is the wife of Chuck rosen Our, our executive producer. She was great.

She went on to write a bunch of episodes, so I can't I look forward to rewatching those because I liked her writing. I gotta say, even though it was like the early nineties, the sex talk stuff and how a girl feels and how everyone feels the first time or thinking about the first time, it holds up like I would show that to my kids and be like, brend is a great example. Yeah, I mean, just showing this episode that you don't have to have to talk with them there you go. No, but it always every

episode always goes to some heavy topic, you know. I feel like every week after week, and so this week it just kind of like the whole age they just came out of nowhere, Like it was not expecting her to say that. Well, Steve was trying to come on to her for so many times, and so it just kind of like goes to show that the topics that I think your show handled. Yeah, for sure, I mean

it laid it on. Think we knew that that was gonna I don't think we knew that that was going to become a thing on the show, None of us. We Yeah, but as it started happening. I feel like we all took a certain pride in that. Maybe we laughed a little bit sometimes that like, oh my god, now what's going to happen to me this week? You know, important message going to be this week? But the show had so much other stuff, so many other layers, and like so much fun with the fashion and the characters

in the all the Beverly Hills of it all. Like I feel like it was a good balance. Maybe yeah, definitely glamorized teens and where we lived. But at the same time, that's the driving thing, is the storylines that everyone could really do no matter where you lived. Yeah, and again this was it was a cool thing that kids started watching this with their parents because then they kind of opened that door to talk about, you know,

um what what they were scared to talk about. So I thought that was It's like a good conversation starter hopefully for some parents. Totally, yeah, I think so. Plus the fact that the speaker was exposed to aid time her very first time, and then there's Brenda and the audiences thinking that could be me, that could happen to me, and good good that she thought that, oh yeah, because then she has that conversation with Dylan about getting checked

at the end of the episode. It's such a great message because I feel like girls to to this day still think like, oh, what's the worst that could happen, you know, they think pregnancy, which is a huge life changer, but they don't realize that there's something that could happen to you that you can die. So that was so like WHOA, Like h yeah, and there's so many diseases

and things now, like you have to protect yourself. I loved it when Kyle Well jumping ahead to the favorite, my favorite line of the episode, but when Kelly said, um rule number one, never rely on the guy, And I think that's that's good, Like girls should take care of themselves and no always first ladies, safety first. Girls. Wrong with boys? I feel like that's I want to like teach my boys to always like step up and

be prepared, like don't be that guy. You know, I don't think, Yeah, I mean I think just like girls are more you know, aware and educated and more savvy. Now of course boys are too, And yeah, I mean I don't have boys, but I would have to assume that people that are raising young boys out there are doing just as much work to protect them and to

teach them, I mean the responsibilities. Well, which goes to one of the big topics in this episode, double standards, because sometimes, and it's just part of society, parents treat boys and girls a little bit differently when it comes to sex. Yes, and that's what Jim did in and Brenda called him out on it, which was so cool. Wait, yeah and brave, but she it's true he was. He was saying it was okay for Brandon and and like, you know, you pat your son on the back and

give him a little wink. But but with your daughter, her losing her virginity is a question of her morals. Brandon's girlfriend got to sleep in the house, got to you know, they knew what was happening, Like Jim to do something about your son, and he's like, like it was fine, you know with Brenda, like they were just like no, well not Cindy, but Jim. Yeah, I mean, daddy's an old girl. It's hard, but there is I

stuck around in high school for that reason. You know, you never wanted my dad to really know what I was up to. Oh break his heart, my little sweet Sistan. He would never do that. Important message you guys when your teen is of that age and leaving the house, slip on mcondom and if you got and if you've got some fun, what do you mean? I feel like it's better. It's so interesting, Like I would definitely tell my husband to do it, like with our sons at that age, but like they're going on a date, I

don't know. Better they have it and are prepared it then then it's embarrassing. It's like it's not comfortable for anyone, the teen or the parent. But again, you'd rather them use it and have it there than being like, oh, I didn't get it because I was embarrassed to go somewhere and buy it. So now we're in this position and it's okay, maybe it'll just be fine. You don't want that to happen. I guess well, you guys are closer there than I am. This podcast just got really deep.

It's just a lot to think about going on. Deal with it now, you know, just like you just do your best as a parent. You you do your best. You give them all the things that you learned and all the things that you wish you had learned, and you you know, arm them with with all of that

and say a little prayer. You know, you can only do your best, and then you have to just sort of let them live their life to a certain extent, or you tie them up and lock them in the basement either or in a warehouse and band eyes like for ten years, right, thank god they locked me up in that stage for ten years. Think of the trouble I could have gotten. Imagine I you know what I do think about that sometimes, Like we were working so hard from such a young age, Like what if we

had just I don't know. I don't think either of us are that type of girl, but who knows. You don't know the trouble like teens came into You're easily persuaded and talked into things at a young age that aren't good judgment, Like, thank god we had that structure of that show when you guys would film scenes that were not there at that place and they were on location. Like you're mentioning, um the theater where Brenda's waiting for

it's unvent terrible. But yeah, then when she goes to go supposedly meet up with Dylan for her date, and then it's left there for two hours waiting for him, and he never shows up. Would you wait for twos? I don't know if I'd wait for two hours, would never admit pret Dylan McKay exactly, But she waited that that movie theater is. Yeah, it's on venturable of art. It's like a it's like a store building and it's

still there. But it's not a movie theater anymore. I don't think it used to be Barnes and Noble, but Barnes and Noble. Oh, it's the Barnes and Noble and no one wait, okay, so it's not the one that used to be a bookstore. Was a movie theater. Then it used to be a bookstore and then it closed down and now it's like a med spa. It's not that one. No, no, it's not that one. It's the one that's still a bookstore over by Laurel Canyon. It's still Barnes and Noble, and I know, which looks exactly

the come on the outside. But when you guys would go, so let's say that was where you had to go, would you drive yourself to those locations or would you like busting or drive? I mean depending. We would sometimes drive to set In Park on by the they called like the base camp where they have all the trailers, the you know, makeup trailer and wardrobe trailer and the lightning trailer, all the things. They call that area like

the base camp, and so you'd park there. But sometimes if you if we were like shooting on set, then they would just put us sticks in a van and drive us to where we had to be. They stuck her in a van, tied her up in the warehouse, and stuck her in a van. There what a fun gig for you guys to be that age, And explained a lot like in a fun way, like always going to new places. Yeah, yeah, but it was there was so much all the time. Do you ever feel like

to like we were as in this industry? Like you go from set to set to movie to show, to job to job, joblin and they're always different. It's always a different group of people and it's always a different character.

So I feel like so much of my life has been spent on the move or like jumping from thing to thing, that it never really settled into anything in particular, Like there was never a normal like a baseline for me after a while, because it was just it just becomes this like whirlwind, and you're always on the move and always making new friends and meeting new friends and then leaving those friends and never really seeing those friends again for the most part. Or you know, it's such

a weird industry. It's like, yeah, it's like it's like being in the military, like always on the move, military family. I mean, completely different. And I'm not making fun of that, Like I'm just saying just the lifestyle is you never completely let your heart settle in because you know that you're going to be on But I mean, probably nine out of all the things you've done, probably natural was

the most. I mean that was pretty consecutive. And I think like during that time when she's referring to is like on summer breaks or winter breaks, we would do like TV movies or movies and do other things that you know, you you dive in fast. You guys, like you give your heart and soul and just commit to everyone there, and all of a sudden, it's like joining

a new school. You go to a new school and you just like, but everything is really fast, so it like speeds it up the process of like settling in and getting to know people and getting accepted. But this is probably the one, the one that was like the longest, so there's no breaks for you. When you took a break from around to know, you jumped right into another project.

We're all busy working every higatus every break. But I mean that was a conscious choice and we wouldn't see each other that much because we were given these opportunities to go do movies of the week and star and then produced them, and you know, it was such so many amazing opportunities. Did you ever think that period of time, like you we were young, did you ever think like, hey, it's summer, I want to go take a vacation or I want to There's some people that did do that.

You and I never did that, Like we were just like great work, let's go continue work, work work. Yeah. I would always I mean because I had my first kid, like soon into the sh maybe god soon, I don't even know how many years it was before I had a first baby, but once I had a baby, I would always try to plan like a little family time and then before you know, before going on to another show and then you come back and you're right back into night or two. And I kind of like that.

I like that. I was always busy and me to have time to but I never thought twice about it, like we should have been. Like you see people now on hit shows and when they have breaks, they're taking these amazing vacations around the world because they're making great money and they're big celebrities, and like looking back and like, I don't know, it wasn't ever our mindset, which is great. We're both very driven. We still are. I think that's another thing that like binds us to each other. You

know that we have that work ethic. But it would have been nice to be like, hey, I'm just taking like going to Europe for twenty days in the middle of our summer and just like Emily in Paris live a little. I noticed that with you guys because um, around the holidays, we didn't really talk about it, but I'm like, I wonder if we're gonna stop down and we're just not going to do any shows. Nope, we're all we almost recorded a podcast on Christmas Eve, Like wow,

we always make time for work somehow, yep. And that's yeah, that's interesting to know that from a young age though, But yeah, work ethic. Yeah, the boys took breaks, they took vacations. I feel like Shannon took vacations. Like I feel like you and I were the two that really always did movies of the week. Yeah, because once you did one and it was like they wanted you to do another one, and you would just get offered things and sent scripts and stuff. I think I've seen these

movies of the week that there was. There was a time when movies of the week were like it was everybody was doing it, are they Oh yeah, they're on lifetime. All of ours are in lifetime. Now lifetimes always playing. But like during the nineties and the time time, like they would be for like NBC or CBS or ABC it was or Fox, you know, it would they would go up against like Monday night football. It would be like the female alternative, like and we would take viewers

away from football. Like it was a big deal Movies of the week, And that's why they were titled movies of the week. Like there would be one night that networks would air their movies of the week, like Monday Night. Um, now they're just like TV movies. But also there was that thing that you know you were going you were like you had the power that they always wanted you. You would get these straight offers. He didn't want to not do it because you didn't want to not be relevant.

Like what would happen if we like went one summer and didn't do a TV movie. Like it was a little bit of that, right, We probably felt like that would be it. Well, we'll never work again in this town again. Imagine thinking that at like eighteen, at that age, mm hmm. Yeah, that was It was a lot, definitely, But I I feel like there was so much that we learned from doing that too. I mean, we learned to beat bosses because we had to. We had to learn to suck it up and do what was expected

of us and you know, call the shots. And I think that because we started, I mean I started. I know, you probably did two tours started producing the movies that I was doing, and uh, you learn what it's like to have more control over your works. You have a voice and people listen to you. It was really nice. It was really productive, But gosh, I don't those hours

that we worked. I mean we worked crazy hours. And then to think, like on Christmas break you would film like all night and then like fly to Canada the next morning and go right into production on a TV movie. And then come back and go right back to nine or two now after maybe having like a day off for Christmas in the day after New Year, like it

was just what. I don't know, but those are the years you should be hustling in any industry, like whatever profession you do, whether it's like in your guys case, TV, but like for me it was radio. I got in at nineteen and I never took any breaks either. I didn't go on any vacations. I worked holidays for five years. You know, it's like, you can't just pay your dues, and so it's interesting that you guys still paid your dues even though you're on this hit show. Yeah, it's weird.

I mean, I think every everybody has their own experience

of that. Yeah, for sure. No matter what it is that you're chosen career path, is you gotta work hard when you're young, and then you learn to like slow down and prioritize, and you get a family and you get other responsibilities of other interests, and you you learn to like make other things important in your life too, which kind of creates a nice balance, because I don't really feel like that's a very balanced way to live for very long you know it's hard for some Yeah.

I mean during that time I had other friends that weren't in the business, and they were going to college and you know, coming home and having like fun and going out, and that wasn't our life. You know, we had fun, but it was just a very different life than other kids our age. Did it feel like you went to college though, totally played it on TV? What do you mean I graduated from California University. I've told you this, it's real to me. I have the diploma.

I have Donna Martin's diploma. By the way, I've in story and it says Donna Martin graduated California University. It's had something like a degree in science arts like that would never be her. I don't know why it says that on there, like they were making a show. Props was like, we're gonna make it funny Donna Martin, which is not that smart, like et real you have that that Well, we have to take a break. Um, I

do want to come back. We have some questions from listeners and we haven't touched on fashion or any of our favorite lines from the show, and there's a few of them. So we'll be our background Okay, so should we talk about fashion, guys? We should have fashion? Mm hmm. What did you think was like the standout fashion of this episode? I feel like it was a pretty even keeled episode as far as the fashion. There wasn't anything to like. Jarring Dylan's jarring. See that was my favorite.

That was very like say anything John Cusack like from the eighties, right, Yeah, I loved it. Looks so great and staring out of the room Brenda around her like that's like I want boys to bring back trench coats now, why not? What was your favorite? Steve was colorful? I know your favorite again with the tucked in blouses on on Steve sands a little and the little pants that were so snug and a little tushy and he didn't know where you're going with that. I don't know why

were you looking at his tushy? Well, because when he okay, when he was in the hotel room with the speaker friend girl and uh and he just walked turned around and walked out so confidently, And I really felpposed to look at his The Steve Sanders strut, which is also the Irons eerng strut. Yeah, um, the Brenda makeover was fun with you guys fashion montage. The way they sped it up super cute. That was really cute like that.

We probably had so much fun filming that, right, I'm sure like that's that feels like such a YouTube like TikTok movement now and we did it then like the speed up, like getting the girl dressed. Um, can we talk about Brenda's fashion because I feel like you have an ode to it today? Oh right, I'm today I'm wearing she inspired me on my shirt choice. Uh that you guys know what an air tie is, right? Do you know that air tight? This is an air tie when you but in your shirt all the way up

to the top and you don't wear a tie. Oh I didn't know that, but it's it's like an I don't know. They call it an air tie. All the hipsters are wearing it these days. But Brenda, Yeah, and you got bright red lips onto Inda was rock in the air tie back in the nineties. That must be where it came from the nineties. Probably everything came from the nineties. Um, and her jean shorts like the infamous

Jane shorts. She looked great like when Dylan eyed her up and down those legs, those Jeane shorts, those scrunchy socks. Like I feel like the whole episode it was all about that she looked great. She was wearing your socks, didn't you. Didn't you let her borrow that? You're so mean. So we were working last week and I wore scrunchy socks because they're back in everything from the nineties. I got them with my girls at Journey and I wore them last week, and she just like I knew she

was gonna hate my off. And I just knew it. I was like and one, and two and the three, and she's like, you wore those scrunchy socks just to piss me off. You thought him a journey, Yeah, the store journey from still around. Wow, you can go shopping right now. I didn't even know that you can, but I should get out. You won't like it, but it's

somewhere deep down. I knew that morning when I got dressed, I did, I somewhat put those scrunchy socks on because I knew it would send my best friend over the edge. And I love that she would notice. And I knew that she would notice. And that's how tight. We are you guys? Any favorite lines already said mine about Kelly Kelly saying rule number one, never rely on the guy. I like that one. What about you? Um one was

good that Brenda said to her dad. We kind of talked about it, but the actual line was and if I'm ready first, then what should I lie and sneak around? When he was talking to her about the double standard? Really great thing to say. Good job, Karen Rosen. I felt, I'm not going to quote this verbatim and I didn't write it down. But when she's looking at Dylan and talking, Brenda's looking at Dylan from the balcony and talking to Kelly and she's like, uh, and Kelly's like you need

to go, like, go have a bubble bath. She's like I need more than that, and you go, oh, did I get that right? There was another one in the hallway when when uh, Brenda and Kelly were walking down the hall and something about being pinned. Oh she I said, you're dating now and she was like it was just one day. I said we're going on another one, so you're officially dating. And then she goes, what what am I? What is? What's next season gonna pin me and Kelly

goes hopefully to a mattress. Kelly had some singers. She's so, we have some questions, but however, we just have time for one. Do you guys see them or do you have a one? You have one that you would rather answer. I feel like, let's talk about Courtney's questions. What's wrong? Okay? Yeah, I mean you know what. I was gonna let you decide. So there we go. So Courtney is asking, could you

talk more about friendships with Shannon? Wasn't Tory friends with her in the beginning and then they went out to clubs together? Where Jenny and Shannon ever friendly or were they too different? Did the three of you ever hang out? Yes, we totally hung out. We were friends. There were really great moments when it was the three of us. I have great memories of us all hanging out and laughing and like doing that scene in this episode. Whenever we worked together, we had a great time. But we did.

There was plenty of times when the three of us went out, I like went out to clubs together. Like, I definitely had very different friendships with each of them. I had kind of my friendship with Shannon and my friendship with Jen and then they would merge all of us because we were together all the time. That's what happens. But um, yeah I did. I did go to like the Roxberry and bar One a lot with Shannon. She was like older than me when I stay older, I

mean only like two years only two years older. But she was cool and like she'd be like, oh, my friends and I are going to like the Roxbury, And I wanted to fit in so bad because I was like just a little bit too young to be doing stuff like that. And I'd be like, oh god, she's taking me the Roxberry. You know, it's just like, oh cool. But I feel like Jen and I had the relationship. We like did things like at the same level. Does that make sense, Like bond at the same time about

things at the same time. Like Shannon was kind of like an aspiration to me because I was like she was the older cool kid even though she was only

two years older. Yeah, And Shannon and I we had great We had great times together, and we also had times that weren't as great because we were just too Um we're two aries women, two very I did not know that we're both very strong minded, and um, I think that that sometimes it would just make us like two rams, you know, we would lock horns sometimes and um and would that be with like things that were happening on the show or in your personal lives? Not really.

I think it was always like show related, whether it was on camera, off camera, behind the scenes or whatever that became personal. It's never about personal life because we I don't think Shannon and I ever hung out on a personal level too often, just the two of us that I recall, but um, yeah, we would work it out. We would we would somehow work it out, and we continue that, you know, we're working relationship. I felt like it went as good as it could go in with

those circumstances. And I it's just like high school, you guys, this happens, and they're both very strong or like alpha alpha women, you know, they speak their mind, and I'm like the tourists, that's just like everyone get along, and so they were all I would just remember. There would be times when they would kind of bump heads about things, and yeah, it was always Stoll related, but it felt personal when it would go beyond that, and I would just be in the middle, like, oh my god, it's

my two best friends, like, just get along. I want you to be happy. I want you to be happy. I'm stuck in the middle. Would you guys, like um, between the four of you girls, even Gabrielle, would you guys ever fight about clothes or was it always specific like Kelly's alphite or these or Donna's alphite or these, or like, would you fightly like I was supposed to wear that top in the scene or whatever? He of course, really there were wardrobe battles, makeup hair battles, why is

she wearing her hair? Like, Okay, I was gonna wear my I mean, I don't remember anything specifically, but I love it. We do remember the Red Dress incident? I do, but I think I don't really remember acture because everyone has their perception of how something happens, and then it's heightened once it starts to become a story and you're like, wait, how did it actually begin? How did it actually happen? And we call it the red dress incident because the

boys made it bigger like than it was. But pretty much it was a photo shoot. It was a photo shoot, and we we've discussed this. Those were the days we were all on set together, all working hard, the whole day and um taking photos, which is a lot of pressure, especially for girls, like you want to look good? How

do I look? Um? And they didn't want everyone in the same color, and we don't exactly all see it the same way, but it was pretty much, you know, it was one of those days when it was like no, everyone kind of stood up for themselves and going back the wardrobe, people shouldn't have given everyone choices if they didn't want to want to wear the same color. We each had our section and we each had a red dress in it, and we each picked the red dress, and then so we all we've all come out with it.

But it wasn't just you and I are was it the three of us? I think originally it was Shannon, wasn't It was involved somehow, and then she chose the black dress, and then you and I were both you you were riled up because you were like, I thought they had asked you to change because she had wanted to wear a red dress, and you were like, no, that's not fair, Like I feel good in this dress, I have it on, it was in my section, I'm going to wear it. And then she changed, but simultaneously,

because you had it on. They had asked me to not wear the red dress, and I was like, I always get along with everyone. I always say yes to everything. Today I'm wearing the red dress. And it ended up being a battle between Jen and I which we never fought,

which was so strange. So if you look at that picture of that photo shoot, which was like our you know, cast photo for the year, it's her, Tory and I both in red dresses, and Shannon and the black dress, and Tory and I are like, like, we're peeved at each other. You can just tell there's tension. Oh my god, I can see it right you literally google. And they separated us in the photo on other ends because they were like, Okay, let's make this work. They're both in

red dresses and they're upset. But the boys, by the time we came to set, we were both already fired up. And it kind of didn't even start with us but ended with us. Um by the time we got to set, we were like upset, and then the boys were like, that's it. And the boys are like, I want to wear the red dress. No, I'm wearing the red dress. And they were saying that in this photo while we're taking photos, they'd be like and cheese photo and they'd be like, I want to wear the red dress, and

we were both just like, oh, by the way. For the rest of the season, that was season's until the end of the show, that was the fight, like the boys always so much that we brought it back for the friviation kind of use that as for for a scene where we are um but that wasn't in the show. Behind the shot, yeah, but we brought it into b HN tourno that we all three show up in a

red dress. Because to this day, even when we were starting bhnot Tourno, as soon as we'd get in like rooms and like all having dinner or like drinks, the boys would still be like, I'm wearing the red dress. And it's like WHOA thirty years later, you guys are still saying that, and it's still got us piste off. It's riling me up right now, offlustered right now us. I think because of that, I couldn't wear a red dress out publicly anymore, Like I was just so scarred.

Red dress. Well, you look really beautiful in red, so you should you should wear red d two and and we just don't wear it when what do you mean just stand on the other side of me, like somewhere else in the picture. I feel like for our I feel like for a Galantine's Day, we should both wear red and then talking. Oh my god, us, I think we should end with that. Ladies, there's no question. You can't ask us. You guys, we will. We will talk

about all your questions. Like I picked that question because I felt like people wanted to know that, and like maybe we don't want to talk about it, or like, you know, but let's talk about it. Why not? So send us questions. I think as a fan, you heard all these rumors and you just just didn't know what was true, especially because there was no love that you can google on the red dress fight and it comes up.

That's crazy. I literally nine O two and oh read and address, and then as I was writing dress, it suggested fight historical wardrobe malfunction. Okay, Episode eleven is the homework assignment. Yep, you have a whole week to watch episode eleven and then we will convene and we will

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