Kelly's Mom (S2 E14, “The Next Fifty Years”)

It was one of those opportunities that I couldn't pass up. A duh. You were great. You looked hot. For those of us who don't know what we're talking about, we CYCNY co hosted Live with Kelly and Ryan. She was Kelly for Kelly and Ryan on it for a day, surrounded by Kelly's Yes, I kind of like the sound of Cysney and Ryan. That works for me. Yeah, flows off. The tongue had to be so fun. I'm sure he

was happy to have you there with them. You know, it's it's kind of effortless doing a show with them, just because we do the radio show every single day, so it's not much of a difference. It's like sometimes I just don't know where to look when you're doing TV because it's like you really see the lens and those big old cameras. It's just like this big box and so like where's my mic? Where's yeah? And like that.

You don't have the audience like I've I've guessed I've hosted before in the past when a live audience, and so this was a little bit different because nobody was there except for like the crew set have the energy a little bit from the audience, which makes it difference. You looked beautiful and you did a great job. Thank you. I appreciate that. Nothing that exciting going on around here. Let me tell you, neither of us flew to New York and hosted a national talk show. So I'm glad

you're world went. We've just been here watching the next episode just every day since the last time we saw you. We watched it over and over so we could really be this is a heavy one, yeah, it was, and not easy to find this one. This was episode fourteen of season two, and uh, it's not on Hulu, and so again I watched the wrong episode. I watched the one that I thought was the next episode, but it wasn't.

You're like a good girl, scout. You're totally prepared now for I'm totally I'm over prepared over I hope I don't get them confused. But this week's episode was season fourteen, Like I said, the next fifty years. It aired on November seven. Synopsis. On Scott's sixteenth birthday, his mother gives Donna and David the responsibility of rounding up people for his birthday party to save it from being a social disaster. Social dissa, master is what it became. Oh my gosh,

Maybe not a social disaster, but a tragic disaster. This is the episode where Scott Scanlon plays with the gun and shoots himself in the tummy. Do we know why it's not available to stream? Is it because of the context of the episode or because this is undeniably one of the bigger, most probably rememberable episodes, you know, big, super heavy topic gun safety and and all of that, And um, I think people are mad that they can't

find it. I was mad because I had to look and look until I looked right under my computer and saw the entire DVD set collection that Crystal sent me. So I was like, pew, Crystal, you saved the day. Literally, it was great. We got the DVD Dave and I hour the house for the DVD player, which, uh, he had to work. Neither of us are very techy, unfortunately, and he had to figure out how to hook up the DVD player, which took a minute. And then there was no remote, so we couldn't like fast forward to

the next episode or the next episode. Now there's no like clicker to. Things got a little heated in here. There's so many episodes that the viewers can't watch on Hulu. So I don't think I don't. I mean, I don't know if it's because of the topic for this one, but there's many, Yeah, but this one was like usually you can still do Amazon or you can do TV

and the real tough one. This episode was titled The Next one hundred Years, and I guess sort of the bookends of the episode at the beginning was the sort of ceremony where they have everybody in the quad and they're unveiling the time capsule that was buried a hundred years ago. You just aged us. It's the next fifty years it is. Yeah, I wrote down hundred must be. I feel like I'm a hundred today, so it makes sense.

Thanks for catching that though, jeez, fifty more years. Have you guys ever done a time capsule like in real life? My kids have done it, though, but I've never. I don't think I've ever done it. Yeah, I don't. I don't think I have either. We should was buried a tin can once at our house, like ten years ago, but I think we dug it up like a week later because they were too excited. I don't know, become magical, what's going to happen? But I remember doing that. Yeah,

they so they. I'm not sure really what they got from the from the fifty years ago time capsule. But at the end of this episode, everybody sort of contributes and it becomes like a tribute to Scott in a way, but not completely. Do you We filmed it Towrents High School. Um, do you think if we went back and went to that area the time capsule is still there? We should do that. We should like wonder all dressed in black

and break in at night. Yeah, with our shovels to get up it's right there in the middle of the quad for everybody to find. Was it really buried? Would it be cool if it was? Though, hurry, run you guys. I would hate it people running to try to find it. Um. But then they reburied a new Times capsule. I wonder if it's in the same spot. But it was a pretty big hole they dug for that. I thought they were digging a grave for somebody. Oh that's bad. Well, I mean, I think that was the whole point of

the Time capsule, like putting it in the ground. It was just all symbolic I think around the theme of the episode. Oh, you're right. I never thought of it that way. So deep, it's such You know who was really great in this episode though, Jennie O'Hara. She's what a great character actress, and she a h Scott's Camlon's mom, and she's just a really incredible actress. She's still working

in She's in everything. This woman. She's super talented. I gotta say I loathed filming this episode just because I knew that that meant, like Doug and I were really good friends, and I knew that meant I would no longer be working with him, and it was really sad. Yeah, I guess this was was his last acting This was Douglas Doug's last acting job before he kind of retired and went into the service. That's what he said, right, So sad. They could have had him in like flashback episodes. Yeah,

they could have they It was. It was interesting though, the way Mamma Scamlin I can't remember her what her real name is uh on the show, but she came to the school and you know, enlisted David to help her with the party and basically was like, you have to do this. You have to invite all of his friends. And David was like, okay, I'll do it. Um. But it was really sweet the way Donna sort of came to his rescue and tried to get She was like, I'll do what I can and tried to get the

whole gang to show up. It was really sweet. So you really see the like the little seedlings of their beautiful relationship that's forming. Yeah, you definitely don't. Poor Scott he must have had some other friends he did. They were sitting on the couch at his party playing there like little handheld atari games or whatever. That was. I wonder why it was so important to her that he

have all of these West Beverly kids. Like why David had to get everyone there, well because this was his last episode, maybe because they had to when he shot himself unfortunately up stairs, right man. But the party looked fun. I mean, I'm telling you I would have go into this party limbo, Hello, sign me up? Green party has party did not look fun. I remember when we filmed it behind the scenes, I was just like, oh, this is so lame. But it was good. It worked. It

worked for the scene. But the scene of all of us dancing, I can remember filming that. I can remember thinking when when she hadn't she always whenever we do dancing scene, she'll always usually start like a line dance sort of pattern thing like whatever it's called, like the hustle or like the slide or something, or the freak. I don't know what they're called, but yeah, I remember she's doing that. Every time she would do it, I

would be so annoyed because I don't. I can't, I couldn't do it, Like I just I'm unable to do whatever it was that she was trying to teach me. So this was one of those moments I remember, But then she does. She goes and she like dirty, like freaky dances up on Scott and I was like, oh, she always gets that move in right that like on anybody goes up mind and gives him a little uh. On the other end, well, I had to help, but I had to make the other side of the sandwich.

I guess the scot Scandling sandwich. Well that could be a thing or scot scan And then Brandon and Emily in the kid's bedroom on the bed. Hello, who does that? Who goes to a birthday party of somebody they don't even know and then goes into like a little child's bedroom and starts making out on their bed. That's how I lost my virginity horny teenagers. Not how you lost your virginity at a party. I swear to god, Oh my goodness, what party? Who's what's whose kids? Bed? Was

it like a day bed? A big bed? What I need? Everything? It was? I just remember it was my first boyfriend, Ryan, Um, I don't know. We were at his He had like a blended family, so it was like I iced like his step family like mother or something, had like younger kids and it was their birthday party. And he invited me and we went into one of the bedrooms in Yeah,

mm hmm, so wild. And then yeah, I still remember that dress because Shannon wore that dress in a photo we did, one of nine dress she did and I told her, I'm like, I don't think you want to wear this. She pulled it on my closet like I was saving it, and she was like, no, no, no, I want to take this, and she took it more. I wouldn't she want to wear it for fear she might lose her virginity. No, there might have been a little stain on the babel. Oh my god, you pushed

it there. You were going to go there? Okay, anyway, it was a little blood, but it was it was you asked, we're not talking about this on this episode. It was a Betsy Johnson dress though, floral and like like tank, and she wore it, and are I think it's the picture where we're all looking up that one photo we're all laying down looking up that we reenacted, bh Wanner. Okay, you asked, Okay, fine, moving on. There's a lot of there's a lot of take in with

all that info. I don't know, just watching back the scene of when Scott actually goes into the office and gets finds the key and opens the drawer. I noticed obviously that there was no key on the drawer. It was a fake, like a faker, like, yeah, I just put the cars and wiggle it around. We'll think it's locked, but just and then just pull it open. So yeah, he pulls out the gun and then he's playing with it, and David walks in and it happens, and I've started.

I was like, I had goose bumps just watching that scene and watching the slow motion of like Brian or David's reaction, and Brian is such a really great job acting that scene. I still have goose bumps just talking about it. Just thinking about it makes me feel weird. Same. That's like one of those visuals like I never got out of my head watching it as a viewer, being a part of it, just like that slow moment, just

horrifying interesting. Watching the whole journey that he goes on to the from the funeral and then going back to school and having to sort of figure out and deal with all the grief that he's experiencing, and everybody's trying to help him, and nobody knows what to say. It was a very um I thought it was a well done episode. Yeah, his breakdown that he has in front

of the whole school, I thought it was well performed actor. Yeah, it's changed to go through something like that, you know, it's that grief process is hard to do at any age, so he seemed to be kind of doing it on his own. I see in our notes though, that Fox executives tried to convince Chuck Rosen not to do the storyline, but he convinced them it was a necessity. And if it wasn't for the storyline when Scott Scalen went away for the summer and he goes to Oklahoma, that was

going to be it. They would have just written his character off. But instead they I love it that they decided to deal with like a major thing. Yeah, I'm so glad they fought for that storyline. Yeah, definitely, This sadly happens a lot, and it's such a good reminder not to have guns, but if you have to make sure they're locked somewhere, Yeah, good advice. But it ends on everybody putting everything in the in the thing and

in the time capsule. And it was really poignant. When David pulled out the hat that Scott always wore and he put that in there. It was really moving. And then did you notice everyone was had their little sparklers? What did that remind you of? It reminded me when we filmed p H and I know to a now and it was fourth of July, but it's an American holiday, so we were like, let's take a moment and we did sparklers outside during filming, which we filmed like three

in the morning. Yeah. I loved that. It just gave me, like all the good feelings again. Yeah, the reference that Andrea makes to the floppy disk, but it's going to be an artifact in fifteen years. Donna bring fabric. I don't know why you bring a bolt. Wasn't it like a giant roll of fabric? Because I'm a fashion designer, so I was like, what is it that fabric? So it was like a combo of like, this is what this year represents and some things thrown in for Scott,

I guess definitely. Whatever I think of this episode, I also sorry to bring this up, but I think of Luke and it's just a hard reminder of one of us not there in the time capsule and being able to yeah, go back in time. Yeah, definitely brings up all kinds of things for I mean, for everybody that probably watches it. You're not alone. But I did see the boom um twice in this episode. I just want to let you know, boom count, I didn't see it,

and let's see it either. Oh my gosh, you guys today on this episode we not she wasn't in this episode, but we've been dying to catch up with her. We have the beautiful and Gillespie with us today. Of course, she played Jackie Taylor, Kelly's mom. Yep An appeared in like fifty five episodes of the run. She was in season one and she was in season ten, So there she is. Hello, Hi, and Gillespie. Hi, Jenny Garthen Tor. How are you good. I'm doing very well, really well.

It is just incredible to see you. When when I found out you were going to be with us today, I was so excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done a few of these things, which I'm you know anyway, it's all very strange for me, but um to do it with you two, of course, is the reason to do it. So you know you are so busy. So yes, wacky, I'm sorry, my life is very complicated on my grandma now and here I have yes, yes, I'm a grandmother.

So my son Spencer, who you probably remember and foling around. Um, he has been married for four years and they have a little girl, hilarious little girl who's one, and we babysit her one day a week. So that's great. Um, but it's keeping me. It means just the rest of my life is just insane. That is so crazy to hear not only a Spencer an adult, but he has

a baby and you're a grandma. My god, I know, I know, it's it's a well, you know, it's a little challenging, um to sort of respond to the name grammy. But um, it's also just the greatest gift in the world. It is just, oh my god, if I drunk the kool aid, like you know, you people show you their grandkids and I'm like, oh, that's so nice. Oh no, I've been saying, what a lucky child to have you as a grandma. Well, thank you. You've been busy with

other things, miss Anne. You have done some very admirable things in your I guess retirement from acting retirement from acting, although you know we did the last time we saw each other, I'd already become a priest and then came back to do the nine or two win oh second version. And that was fascinating because do you remember when we shot the whole thing of um of my death, right of of of Jackie's death, like she got cancer and then she died, and by that you didn't have no

recollection of it. Good, I don't want to remember it, and she's disapproving of it. We choose not to remember

that incarnation you were still alive. Well, thank you. But what was so fascinating was in my new professional life as a priest, I had sat with parishioners who were dying of cancer, and so it was this amazing sort of full circle thing of here I am acting this and yet I sort of invited their spirits to be with me, and anyway, it was super emotional and anyway, it was really kind of an amazing thing to be

able to do both somehow, I'm sure. Well, let's start from from the beginning, from the real the first Beverly Hills Manito, I know, oh my god, how did you get the role of Jackie? Taylor. That's a great story. Actually it's going in my memoir because, um, they had a really hard time apparently casting the role. I didn't know that. Although I know that I didn't get on the first set of auditions. I was in the second

set of auditions. And when I arrived to the room, you know, you know what those audition rooms are like. On one wall were all of the models, because Jackie was supposed to have been a model right in her earlier life. And on the other wall were all the heavyweight actresses. Um that I knew a lot of because I went up on roles with them. Heavyweight, you know, I mean physically Excuse me, I mean it had like

the handle, really emotional complicated stuff. Sorry. Yes, although of course they were generally rounder, they had more curves than the models. Let's just be on um. And there was no place for me to sit. Literally, I walked up to the receptives and I was like, there's no chair, and she said, oh, I'll get you one, and so she pulled out a chair and she said it next

to her desk. So I always saw I was right in the middle of the two things, right and so and then anyway, I went in and got it, which was well, as you know, it was a huge, huge gift and a delight too. I mean, that first episode was so much fun. There was so much scenery did too, and oh man, it was great. It was great. You came out fire and the Jackie character just came out strong. And then it was I mean, and I that was it. Like I thought it was a one time job really,

because that's all it was. It was. It was a guest star. I mean, I thought there might be some future. But anyway, it wasn't until the next season when I came back and we did we shot stuff at the Beach Club and and they put me in all these outrageous bathing suits and stuff like that. And it's when when they started to put this relationship together with mel and to you know, humiliate poor Kelly because it was you know, Brian, you forget what his character's name is,

David's um, you know, the nerd. Anyway, the Nerd. After that episode, I think it was pretty soon after that episode, I got pregnant in real life and went to Paul Wagner and I was like, um, Paul, so I'm pregnant, and this is a really great thing. We you know, second child, and and I assumed that was the end and that was the why how could that happen? And the next thing I knew they had written the pregnancy

into the storyline. Spoiler alert, it was. It was. It was amazing and again it gave us so many wonderful scenes to play and interesting stuff and anyway, wow, So if it wasn't for your real pregnancy, because that ultimately you guys had a baby, it was Aaron Silver, and Aaron Silver was kind of the lynchpin that you say, it's done off nine two one o series. So my daughter Wesley is basically responsible for the nine o two and thank you Westley great and then they had the

nerve to kill you off after all those blessings. They were very kind and they did say to me, we if you lived on this coast, we would write much more stuff in. But because you're on that coast. I mean, it was kind of funny because they called me up and they're like, we've written you into this episode. So this is now years later for the second iteration where I'm already a priest and they're like can you can

you come? Can you shoot this? And I'm like, actually, no, I've got to do a wedding, I've got to do this, I've got to do that. And so they actually rearrange stuff so that I could shoot several episodes at one time. And I was like, God, they never did that for me when I was actually an actress. It's only because now that I'm doing this o't thing. People want what

they can have. Well just say, you know, Jen and I had planned a BH nine and I had gone on We wanted you to be on that and we were just going to pretend like that second iteration of N didn't happen and Jackie Taylor was alive and thriving. Well could, I mean, you know other ways to explain that you You were always so much fun on set. I love being your daughter, your work daughter, and um,

we just had always had such a great time. I think you were the first person to introduced me to yoga, and you were really was nothing to my yoga class. I love that you're my yoga teacher too. Yeah, yeah, we had, Jenny. I'm I've always been a I've always been a sneaker, you know, I'm always like looking for ways to grow, and um, so you kind of went on that journey a little bit with me, and and certainly by the end of the first series, I was already, you know, doing all this stuff to prepare to go

to seminary, so you knew about that too. And I remember everybody was sort of like, I remember your your makeup person Karen was like, can I curse in front of you? And I'm like, episcopalian. You're episcopalian. Pretty, So it's a little more lenient, right, Oh, yes it is? Well, who knows, but I choose to think it is. It's a big temp. To put it that way. I wouldn't be part of it if it wasn't a big time No,

I wouldn't think. So you have such a you're such a you have such a big mind, and you're so open to everyone and everything, and it's a good fit. It is a good fit. What do you remember about your like first time meeting me or like first time on set being well, do you remember that? I do remember it because it was so fascinating. Um, So I think Perfect Mom was like the sixth episode or was it wasn't the very beginning of the first series the first season, It was several in but the show had

just started to take off like crazy. And so what I feel like I got to watch was the effect of this I didn't even know how to describe it. You lived it, um, this um inordinate amount of fame that started to affect you all, and and and how you all handled it, found ways to deal with it um. And at the beginning, there was, of course, there was sort of an innocence to everybody. No nobody quite knew what we were doing. And um, anyway, you guys were all figuring each other out. That was all that was

very fascinating. And I what I remember, Jenny, is how much fun it was to act with you like we I feel like we really we had some good stuff to do together. And I knew right then that we were we would be great partners, which was fun. And the other sort of hilarious thing was that, um, I got to know some of the other parents on the show, James ack House and Carol Potter, who I had not met before, but that that those ended up being really

fun relationships. Also because you know, it was an interesting um place to occupy on the show as a arrant, because the stars were the young people and the parents were the goofballs, right the kids actually knew better than the parents, and it was like wait, wait, wait, wait, there's something wrong at this picture. But anyway, um, that

was that was fascinating, just the whole thing. And also I want to say, over the time watching the cast coalesce, the crew coalesce, I mean, when we got into seasons I don't even know, like four or five, it was like a well oiled machine and that was really kind of wonderful to go to work in that environment, it seemed. I mean, I don't know how it was from your

guy's perspective. I mean, there were ups and downs, no question, but um, by the middle of the run, it just seemed like it was a pretty happy place to work. So I hope that was your experience. I don't know. We recently had Matthew Lawrence on the on the podcast and it was so much fun for Tory and I catch up with him and just see see him again. He looks exactly the same, exactly the same. I know, he I did one another thing with him team. I was like, oh my god, he's telling the same stories.

And you and Carol are still friends, right, We well, so we were buddies outside. We haven't recently but yes, and um, I mean, one of the things that was sort of, I think, very powerful for Matthew was that when we got he and I got married on the show. As he likes to tell the story, he'd never been married before, so it was very emotional for him. And then when my daughter Wesley was born, he he sort of felt like he was had something to do with it even and he you know, got her very sweet

gifts and things like that. But really interesting was that my husband, Jeff and Matthew got to be buddies and they would golf together and and anyway, and Matthew's got a twin that Jeff also worked with anyway, so we we we did have some friendship for a while. But of course I haven't lived in California for a long time, and neither as he he's in I don't where he is in Kentucky or something. I didn't know this, but you were the mom to some other actress out there,

which I thought was really rude, very rude. How could you do that to her for another hit show? Though, like you have a great track record. Well, I'm just gonna say I sort of cornered the market on Bitchy Rich moms. So I it was just one of those things literally where I um, Amy who was putting together the show of Gilmore Girls, just called me in and she was she was like would you do this and like yeah, with my hands tied behind my back. Um. And it was literally one day. I think that was

it and one scene. But because I ripped poor Paris a new one on the show, the character was so mean to her. It was another one of those sort of iconic episodes, and because it is also a super popular show, a lot of people remembered it so um. So I don't have hardly any memories of that except that it was kind of fun to hang out with Alexis and um Laura Laura was that was Lauren um in the nakeup trail. That's kind of all I remember it.

You're on three iconic shows, basically Nine and Gilmore Girls. I mean, amongst everything else you've done, your tell you you'll this will crack you have. So of course, the way it is, as you know, is that people still recognize me or they or they often here my voice and they're like, how do I know you? And you know, anyway, if I have no recollection of them, it's usually because I was in their living room on their telephone screen.

But um other the other show that I had a recurring role on for a while was UM Well, I did a couple of the Star Trek things, um Next Geration, and um I was an alien. I was Ajar on Deep Space nine. And those people are crazy. You think the nine O two one oh fans are wild different. I'm telling you. These people are still tragging me down and asking me to sign things and anyway. But you know, anyway,

so it's hilarious. So so now in my in my current life, people either remember me from nine oh tooe No, or they remember me from Deep Space nine, which was have you ever been doing a wedding or service? And people are like, oh my god, that's Jackie Taylor. Oh. Often often yes, yes, and and and and sometimes they get it, uh, I don't know exactly where they know me from. And other times there's sleep like this thing.

You can see it in their eyes like wait wait you know, And often this I think is very amusing. I sometimes take pity on them and I say, well, I was on a show that you might have seen, and they're like, oh, I don't, I don't watch television and then I'll be like, well I was on nine of them. Oh my god, that was my favorite show. You know. Then it all comes out and you know, you've watched you've watched it in your own lives, but the people for whom it's a big deal, it's a

huge deal. And then there's other people are like, oh, yeah, that I never saw it. I never watched it. So it's just this funny cultural phenomenon. And of course, because it's been airing continually, my daughter's friends would be like, oh, I saw your mom on TV today, you know. And anyway, it's it's it's kind of a lovely legacy now that it's um, you know, yes, do do you miss being an actress? I mean, you were so good at it, you're so gifted actress that I do let's miss it? Well, well,

so I don't. Here's what I don't miss. I don't miss the sort of um uh, well, I don't miss the disempowerment that's in the entertainment industry. I don't miss being part of something that I think and it wasn't just nine o two and I was pretty much everything I did. Where where um unhealthy images of beauty and weight aren't out there. Um. And that was a lot of what was crystallizing in me as I was deciding, not deciding, but like trying to figure out who else

am I supposed to be besides an actress. Um here's the thing. People ask me this a lot. Do you miss acting? So in my life as a priest, I get to use all the same skills all the time, only now I'm like the director, the writer, the lighting DESI mean, I can I can shape what I do. I'm in front of people all the time. During COVID we to reinvent Church online, I was like, my god, my earlier career came out like I knew how to do the makeup, I knew how to do the lighting.

I was like, no, no, no no, you have to get that. And everybody was like this is really helpful. Um. So I honestly, I don't. I don't miss acting. I really feel so fulfilled in what I'm doing and I feel like it is to a higher purpose, So so I

don't really miss it now. Um. Periodically I have befriended you know, directors or whatever, and and and sort of, um, they would say, oh I've gotten you, like theater directors here in d C. And they're like, oh, I've got a perfect part for you, and I will say my my eyes kind of like I think about, like, but how would I do it? How would I work it out? Because that would interfere with Easter, you know, so it wouldn't it wouldn't work right now. Um, I love your

priorities though. I love the way you you made a conscious effort and decision about your life and you wanted to go and what you wanted to do. Well, honestly, I feel like it shows me. You know, I'm the daughter of an episcimal police, right, So I had to

push it way, way, way, way way away. And then, um, as I was sort of going through this process of like, oh, the parts are getting smaller and smaller in the acting world, and that seems so weird as I'm becoming more powerful and creative in my own personal life and what am I supposed to be doing? And they kept getting these little hints that it was to become a priest, and I pushed it away for a long time because I was like, no, no, no, no, that's not me. There's

no way that's happening. That's my dad and I really credit yoga actually with softening my edges against institutional church and helping me develop a very tangible spirituality. And then I created community and it was like, oh, well, there's like I was going back to the church. And so anyway, that was sort of how it happened. So so it's it's not like I made a super conscious decision, but it was led by clear clarity around what was important

to me. You're right, it wasn't around priorities. It's just so admirable. I mean, like a lot of us feel those feelings and have those glimpses of clarity and think maybe maybe that's what I should be doing. If it keeps coming up for me, and then it's really really hard to pull a trigger and you know do it. Yeah, I get that. Um, I totally get that. And it

was very frightening actually for me. I mean, I look at it, it's coming out like I literally had this thing beside me that was who I was supposed to be authentically, and I was afraid, afraid, afraid to do it. In fact, it was seeing a marvelous play at the what was the play at Westward Playhouse? I think it was a beautiful play. It was called Looking for Normal and it was about a trans man that comes out as a woman to his wife and all the things that after that, I was like, well, hell, I guess

I should if you could do that? All right, So anyway it But the other thing is that I will say that it feels so well, it feels so preordained, like like this is what was waiting for me. And then it doesn't mean that acting or teaching yoga was wrong. All of it was a step. All of it was part of the journey and leads me to where I am now. And I had this ridiculous idea when I first became a prey, say oh, I have to forget being an actress or I have to forget being a

yoga teacher. Until then I started working again as an actress after I had become a priest, and I teach yoga to my congregation once a month. So it's my God uses it all like it's it's all grist for redemption and teaching. And you know, hope, actually I love that. Well, you you did have some pretty conic wardrobe on our show. We are always talking about the way you look on

the show. Well, and do you know that, Like all my gay friends were telling me that there's there's a perfect mom version on RuPaul, like there's a whole drag race thing about some of about me being drunk or something you're falling off, and oh there has to be I want to see that. That would be amazing, exactly, it would be hilarious. Well that's rocking this swede bikini, I will say, is I'm still pretty proud of that.

I mean, girl, you should be proud of that. That was, like I remember, because you were pretty stressed out about it, I remember, yeah, And but also just it was very fun. We had a variety of different designers, as you all know, and each one sort of put their stamp on Jackie's wacky clothing and anyway, you know, the thing I remember we used to talk about this a lot is um because I think you and I are are are closer in age than would actually allow me to be your mother.

Not impossible, but probably not happened. And but people they put me in these you know, Chanelle's suits and the bitch hair and the thing, and they're like when they meet me without makeup and every people like, how do you look so much? Younger than on and I was like, well, that that's why they call it acting, and um, but a lot of it was the look. I think it really was the look. And uh, did you get to keep any ab outfits? You know what? I don't remember this.

I was there the day we wrapped, and there were racks of clothing, and honestly, Jenny, you were so adorable you walked through them with me. I'm sure you don't remember this, and you started pulling out some of your clothes and you were like, you should have this. And I for years wore an absolutely gorgeous black suit that you had worn in some episode, and I'm I swear I wore it. It was like the thing to put on if I had to go for my interviews to become a priest or this or that. It was sort

of hilarious. So that was fun. I shared a closet in real life, I had. I had, yes, a few things, a few pieces that were really great. I don't remember us getting to keep it from racks the day we wrapped. Well, I don't know. All I know is that there were some out there and I happened to be there with Jenny and she was pulling stuff out for me, but I took it and stuffed in your card and said go go run. Oh my gosh. If I had to do over, I would have asked to keep some iconic

pieces like you know something. Yeah. Absolutely, well you you always had great style, you were a great actress. You're just a great human being. We're so happy to see you happy, and thank you. You got to me a grandma. I thank you. Well. So what's so funny is you guys were around when with the birth of my daughter, Wesley, and what I remember is bringing her into the makeup trailer and everybody wanting to hold her, and you guys are all so young, and you're like, I want one,

and I was like, oh, please take your time. They're they're a challenge there as we all know, they're wonderful and they're crazy, especially by Wesley would not she she would not take a bottle. So I had to bring her with me everywhere, which meant I had to bring my four year old, which meant I had to bring my husband to watch the four enemy. It was like for eight months, she went straight from the mob to the sippy cup. You know, there was like no in

between with her. But she's actually drinks very well now, thank good, now that she's twenty nine. So where does the time go? Where does it go? Anne? No? No, no, no, Do I get to ask you guys questions? Oh? Yeah, yeah, Well how are you are you doing? Okay, that's a loaded question, and but you could answer a little bit. Well, we're both I'll see for myself. I'm doing really well. I'm married again and it's going good, so good. Yes, yes, that's blessings. That's great. And between the two of us,

we have eight kiddos, beautiful babes. That's wonderful. Ah, that's so great. Yeah, I remember you were there when I had a baby on the show. Obviously I do how challenging that was on many levels. Yeah yeah, but you, but you, I'm sure you've raised them beautifully because you both actually have emerged with your values intact, and your integrity is so clear that they pick up on that. Your kids are picking up on that. So definitely starts

from the mama. It does, it does, And also how you deal with adversity because life is hard, and they watch you figure stuff out and find balance again, because we all got not off center, and that is such a gift that you give them, you know. Yeah, just when you think that that they don't know what you're going through or they don't, they're not. They don't get it. As they grow up and then they become older, you see how that is sort of like ingrained in their fabric,

you know, they see absolutely. When I when I, um, you know, do counseling with couples before they get married. I always say, it doesn't matter what school they go to, it doesn't matter what clothes they were what The best gift you can give them is a healthy relationship with your partner and barring that, figure out who you want to be around, change around, transition around, you know, hard stuff, and that's what they get, and that's you know, and

are you available for a one on one sometimes? Absolutely? I do pastoral counseling time, do skype calls with their weekly I like this idea skype zoom I mean zoom, yeah yeah, yeah, oh excellent. So so you guys are doing this podcast and for a while there it seemed to me that there was something else that was happening that you oh, there was going to be like a nine o two and oh um reality sort of show that then didn't happen or did it happen? I don't

even know. I'm sorry that I don't really follow these things. I think you're referring to China to Yeah, that happened. We did Um a limited series for Fox with the whole original with the cast minus Luke right minus. It was just after it looks passing and so but it was really great to be together. It was scripted and we played versions of ourselves, so what's some sort of interesting.

But some people loved it. Some people were bummed that it wasn't a straight reboot, but everyone, you know what, You're never going to please everybody, so I hope it was fun for you guys. That was great. It was. It was cathartic good. It was. Yeah, it was really good to come back. And we always talked about we had this time period where there was like a little

bit of regression when we first got on set. We went back to like our sixteen seventeen year old selves, right, and it just happened and then all of a sudden then we're like, no, but we're the people we've evolved into now, when these are our forms and how we handle things. It was a really good experience personally, I think for for all of us in a healing way. Yeah. I imagined it was very powerful to be together around Luke's death because you know, death is so well, it

rattles us because it's so final, it's so inevitable. It's you know, you're grieving the loss of this person, but it's also pulling up whatever other loss, and you know we can't help but think about our own mortality. So to do it together, I think that must have been beautiful and kind of wild timing. It was predetermined. It

was definitely planned. Yeah, right, right right, since we have a we have a breaking game that we always play with our guests, and that's where I come in, and it's basically like we're running out of time, so we need to wrap it up. You're very inspiring, empowering conversation with this, and it's so beautiful, and then we're like, hey, can we ask you these fun, little rapid fire questions whatever. I could listen to you talk for hours. Do you give Did you give them this much advice when you

were on set? I hope not. That's so annoying. You are always such a positive influence in my personal life, and I think seeing you be so grounded and and stable and comfortable in your own skin and comfortable with who you were really like sort of led me in that direction and helped me to find that balance, you know, or or just at least strive for it. And I always appreciate it and just I always I'm so happy to say that you played my mom for so long. Yeah,

it's a it's an honor and a lovely thing. And the fact that we got to do it over am I right that the second iteration. By the time it was that like twenty years later, it was like a long time later. I don't know whatever it was. It was a long time we knew each other as mother, and so it's a whole generation of stuff. Anyway, I I am glad that I was a positive influence. Donson. Well, you always worked closer with Jen. I got to obviously be around you, and you're always so to me, and

I always love seeing your smile. It made my heart happy. And I remember when you told me about yoga, and I remember being, you know, I was young, and I was like, yoga, I don't know about yoga, and You're like, you should come to a class, and I'm bummed that I never did that. You can still do it all the time. I tell myself, I've got to get to yoga, I think, and meditating. I think it would be good for me because I have a lot going on with

five kids and I need that me time. Um, and I always remember us talking and just you yeah, well, I'm glad that that's in there. Um, it's never too late. You're right, You're right, it's never too late, and it will serve you no matter what you're doing. Like it's so, I mean, it's totally systilized my life on many levels. But like I still do it. I still do my own practice an hour and a half three times a

week or else I'm a crazy person. Like you know, it's like it's like losting your teeth, Like I can't. I can't not do it now because and the same thing with meditation, like that's just given. Of course, my husband likes to say, you know, if this is you with you know, forty years of yoga meditation, I'd hate to see you with it. Of course, he has a

different he has a different perspective. But but I can't say enough about it, honestly, especially as we age because our bodies are changing there giving way to gravity, they're they're giving up and um, yoga helps you be where you are and then you can go from there. But if we're trying to if we're trying to be someplace we're not, it's just it doesn't help. So anyway, I feel scared. I feel like everyone knows yoga, and I feel like I'd go into a class and they'd be like,

how do you not know that pose? How do you not you know what it's? Well, if you take my class, it would That's enough. It's about at all. It's about listening to your body and using the tools as like the post is, as tools like this that you can um learn, listen and learn like your body is trying to communicate with you all the time, and it's when we don't listen that we get sick or we have

an injury or something. Anyway, so I if you were to find the right teacher, you would not be at all concerned about what you look like or what the post is. They would help you experience it from the inside, which is really it's about. I know it's coming from I went to one year class of my life and it came from experience that the teacher kept calling me out and I was so mortified. Honestly, now I went back.

It makes me mad that that was your experience, because of course it's like somebody you know singing and they saying you can't sing, and then that person walks around the rest of their life thinking that they can't sing, and it's not accurate. It's not everybody can sing. You just have to try YouTube. You know that. I'm gonna try it now. Thank you for today. Good. Alright, So we have a few rapid questions that we always ask our guests. UM favorite character on nine o two and

no character? Oh? Absolutely, Kelly Taylor, Thanks mom? What about favorite cast member? This is a little tougher, it's okay, well, I mean it's it's boring and predictable, but it would have to be Jenny Garth because we worked so closely together. Okay, And do you have a favorite nineties UM fashion items? Specifically from Nino too? And I know you mentioned the suede baden suit, the suede bikini practical It's no, no, you can't. You only wear it lounge. You cannot possibly

swim in it. But you would get so like sweat gross anyway, Um let's see. Well, there were some very hilarious thanks. There was something oddest thing I think I wore it at the fashion show that looks sort of like a harlequin jacket, like it had like, I don't know, purple and green diamonds on it or something and something weird thing. And anyway, they're there. It's really all of Jackie's wardrobe is just absurd and nineties amazing. Huge shoulder paths, yeah,

big earrings, shoulder path colored bright pink anyway. And final one out of a character on anatoineo who would you kiss? Who would you marry? And who would you kick? To the curve? If you don't remember their character's names, so we can help you. Yeah, not the Cassiac characters names. Wait wait, so the first one was who would kiss? Who would you kiss? Well, it's a little uh sick, I suppose, but um I was. I always thought Luke Perry was pretty pricking adorable and I could be his mother.

So um oh, can we ask you a question real quick? And sorry we're jumping in the middle of the game. So how is Luke with you on set? Because Carol Potter remembers that he used to whisper sweet nothings in her ear, and she was very it would make her heart flutter. Yeah, he was lovely. Actually, I always felt Luke was very genuine. Um. We had some really interesting conversations, especially later in the show, about his life and what it was like to live that and Um, I don't know.

I always really admired him. He was very a very honest and kind of earnest person and pretty dreamy to look at. Um. So I he didn't I don't do not remember him whispering sweet nothings. I remember him treating with Actually, all of the guys treated with me, with me with enormous respect. I felt like I was very I was treated very nicely on that show. And after the baby, after I had Wesley, and literally they put a crib in my dressing room and it was I mean, it was like it was so such a lovely way

to have to work and have a baby. It was it was really great. Um. Okay, So Mary, if if I could kiss, who would I marry? Oh Lord Brandon, David Steve, Wait, you're a serv you're assuming they're all they're all men. I couldn't marry Kelly, who else Carol, No, okay, Cindy, Cindy, Oh that character, yikers. Um, look at the reruns, she's never out of the kitchen. You're just like, really right, she's gardening? Yeah, right right, that's safe and well. Anyway,

I won't go on and on. I think I should probably say mel only because I did marry and we had a lot of fun around that. I was super pregnant when we did it, and um, what I remember about is that it was clearly a Jewish wedding, except we never called it a Jewish wedding because we weren't allowed to like have it actually be Jewish, and so we called it amongst ourselves a Melish wedding. So we have a milliged wedding, so that bizarre they couldn't call

it a Jewish wedding. I mean, very real talks all the time. How actually she had to take her Jewish start, but Donna, they specifically put across on me because somehow that would play better in the heartland. I don't know. Anyway, it's hard to believe that that was a thing. But anyway, what's was the last question? The last one was a tough one. That's the one that's the kick to the curb. To the curb a character that I would kick to the curb. Yes, well not because of the actress and

not because but because her character was so limiting. I think we have to say Cindy's characters should be kicked occur because I think it didn't do a lot for I mean, she was lovely in terms of her being there for the kids, but it was totally unrealistic and it was just limiting in terms for women. I think to see that. So anyway, Yeah, An, you're the best. And will you please give Jeff and Wesley and Spencer

and everybody else in your family big hug. Gonna cry, They'll they'll be like, oh my god, Jenny remembers awesome, like, yes, yes, I will everybody. Uh, greetings and um, I love you both very much. That would be lovely to see you after all these years. So care of yourselves because you're really worth caring for. I love you so much, love you bye bye. Oh I'm tearing up after aw you

guys crying. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's just so good to see people and that you have like a true connection with and then you know you're not I wasn't really close friends with her. I mean I did. I went to her yoga class. I did whatever she told me to do, because I really did look up to her as a human being, and um I learned a lot from her. And to just see her again after all these years, it's emotional brings you back. Don't you wish you could hug her in person right now? I do.

She looks exactly the same, I know. I love it like seeing her with us now. You really don't think she could have played a mother to any anyone our age, Like, it's crazy. I always love that that she was like so foxy and she got m Well, let's take a break, get you some tissue, and we'll come back with fashion favorite lines. We'll cover it off. Okay, that was a great interview. I love seeing mommy again. Should we talk about fashion and fashion from this episode? This is what

for me, wasn't the biggest like fashion studded episode. I really honestly didn't have any standout moments anyway. It was just like Gene Gene and more Gene Denimo body suits, bodysuits in the jeans. Yeah, I guess I was more focused on the storyline and the emotional content than I was about what anyone was wearing, So which is good. That's a good thing. Yeah, a good thing. I know. We talked about it a few times. But Donna's hairstyle, how did you get the side? Like, I don't know,

describe what was the side like thing? And then you're then it was all one. I can't do it right now, so I literally would hold the sides out. I would hold the sides out, sporing it until it like was dried, and then let it go, same with this side and then right here, like it's so iconic. Nobody else did though. It was just Donna. Isn't that weird? Like I don't even know, Like they would give me a beautiful like blowout because my hair is actually wavy, so a big blowout,

and then I would go they always knew. They would just like hand me the hair spray, like so you do it yourself the hair spray. Yeah, oh yeah, it was like crazy. I think I had to wash my hair every night because it was so sprayed so hard that you like I couldn't move it. Did any of you have a favorite line? I always remember, Um, no one gave a rat's ass about Scott until he died,

but it always stuck out to me. It was like poignant and it was a great performance where always like rats ass, I don't know what's Yeah, where'd that come from? You don't give a rat's ass? Especially teens to teens say rats awesome sounds like an older term. I think I'm gonna try using that today. I don't give a rat's ass what we have for dinner, guys. One of

my favorite lines was a pretty obvious one. It was when Um David was having his little blow up in the DJ booth, Um having a bottle breakdown, and he said, Uh, it doesn't matter what people say about them when they're gone. What matters is how you treat them while they're still here. What a really important statement, very true. That was a great line from that. Something I think people always remembered. Mine is also from David, and it was I promised

his cousin I'd teach him how to freak. I almost picked that one too. It stood out to me just because I was like, what's freak? And then I realized, oh, that's like a was that a dance? Like like I'll handle that. It's just like a freak because when you're like free get freakings like um, I don't know, it's more with your hips. It's almost like motioning. I want you to do it, and when you stand up, stand up and do it for us. I don't have pants on. First of all, what oh I am nine months pregnant

and pants whatsoever? You're just sitting there had sixty degrees and I'm like burning up. Still are you legit sitting there in a T shirt? In your underwear in l a Dodgers to shirt too. I would call them booty shorts. I'm crushing on you right now. I'm not gonna this has got a booty short look out the middle of summer and sonant I love that. Oh my god, it's so good. Okay, everybody get ready for the next episode. It's a doozy episode fifteen Euphoria. This is one of

my all time favorite episodes to film. Ever so excited. Let's find out why next week. M