Keeping up with Kelly

the next episode, but we're gonna wait. So we're doing something special today that you know, maybe a little, but you don't totally know. You guys are surprising me. Is there a cake involved? No, and you're gonna like I think you'll like it, but I don't know if you're gonna love it as much as we would love a cake. It's gonna be hard to top a cake for me.

What we wanted to do is do even though we're in season four, right, so we're only going to do it really through season four, A deep dive into Kelly where you sort of step out of yourself and you're gonna really look like bird's eye view onto Kelly because I've got a bunch of questions, Ah, the first one being do you like Kelly? So for everybody listening, we're gonna really dive deep, and we've got fans and listeners coming on with their questions, and we got some fans

that consider themselves Kelly experts. Where I have questions for all of you. Okay, okay, okay, this is gonna be fun. Yeah, I think it's cool. Like I actually wish that I was a therapist because I think that would have added to it, or if we found a therapist. But my first question, is this going to be like therapy? I think so? But you have to be both because you're Jenny and Kelly, so you have to really look down in through Kelly, guys and Jenny. So my first question

for Jenny. Okay, that's me up until season four, so we're only going you can't like, try to think past it. Do you like Hellie? Do you like her right now? Yes? I like her. I think she's a good friend minus the little thing you know that the Dylan and friend a thing. Yeah, other than that, Other than yeah, good friend, I think she's a good friend. I think she's learning so much about herself. I mean that that age that

she is is so hard to navigate. Anyway, I think she's doing the best she can given her circumstances where she came from her mom and you know, her dad leaving her. There's a lot of HAMA in this girl's life. There's a lot of baggage, and so I feel like she's doing that so much. We gloss over the fact that she really doesn't have a father figure and her mother was like a major drug guy, right. Her mother was obsessed with herself. She was, you know, and you know,

a model. She was all about her. She was all into the drugs and the parties and all of that. But she just had this little girl kind of attached to her. I think for the whole ride. I think Kelly probably saw way more than she should have as a young girl and grew up way too fast. Hmm. And I sort of was thinking all about this last night.

It's like, even though the quote blended family went well, right like that David and Kelly became siblings and Aaron comes along, we don't even take into account how complicated that is. Like they gloss over it a little bit. I mean it it reared its head at times. But like that's a major life change for a teenager two

that I actually think Kelly handled well. I feel like she was well versed in challenges at that point, like she had had so much stuff that had gone down with her, and I feel like when she I don't think she was ever on board for the whole Jackie and mel situation, Like she just didn't get it because nobody got it apparently right and rightfully, so they didn't get it, but Mel and Jackie didn't even get it.

But I think she was more she was excited about having a family, having some sort of sense of security and that like, you know, something to tie her down to the ground and keep her, you know, in her, in her body, you know, like on this planet, because she was just kind of all over the place. And I feel like that family, that family sort of structure was really good for her. And she liked having a brother. She loved having like a you know, step brother, Dave,

David Dave, I called him Dave, that's my oops. Yeah, she liked having stepbrother. And then of course, you know who doesn't want to have a cute little baby. I mean, it's weird because Kelly It's funny because Kelly is seventeen eighteen and the baby came around that age. Right. I have daughters the same age as Kelly who just got a brand new baby into their lives. It is life that'll imitate art. Who knows. I mean, it is so true.

It's like, and I know you're navigating that, and it's not just unicorns and rainbows, No, it's there's there's a lot of emotions from a lot of different people at all times, and navigating all that is really tricky. When did you have that moment where you're like, oh my god, my kids are living in a similar obviously very different situation to what you went through it with this character just now, right, it's really interesting, do you know what

I mean? Like obviously, yeah, I didn't even think about it. I didn't put the things together until just now. So many years ago, twenty plus years ago, when you've had your started having kids like you never would have ever envisioned, you know, so parenting and all these things that Kelly

actually experienced. Yeah, and now being able to have seen it through you know, a young person's eyes by playing Kelly, and now I'm still continuing to see it through my young daughter's eyes and feel all the feelings that they're going through. But I'm also seeing it through Jackie's eyes now and feeling all the things that Jackie is feeling, So I got a lot of feelings. It's it's almost ironic we're having this conversation today instead of in a

week after because in the next episode I won't. But we see so much of actually what a good and very emotionally invested mother Jackie is and what an amazing sibling Hellie is, So we really it's almost like a good whatever the word is fortuitous. I don't know the how you say the future, but it's like you you see some of what we're talking about really come to fruition in the next episode. It's weird cool. It's weird, for sure, but it's cool because I mean, life is

like that. You you've got to have some way of dealing with stuff, like you learn along the way, and if you don't take those tools and those little lessons that you've learned, however you've learned them, I learned them on TV, but they're still applicable to real life because these characters were so based in real real people. So if you can ask all that stuff elved. Yeah, and as the time evolved, you became more the same person. Yeah. Maybe Kelly and me, I mean yeah, mean Jenny and Kelly.

As the year went on, as we're getting into season five, six seventy eight, yeah, you start to really merge morph. Yeah. I mean, I know we have people waiting, So I'll ask one more question. Well, okay, two more questions really fast. What would be three words you would use to describe Kelly? Oh God, what you could have given me these questions beforehand? Sugarman? Um? Okay, like three words? That's so hard. I feel like she is very compassionate. M. She is an impath yes, Um,

for sure. She gets very invested in her friends and cares so deeply about whatever they're going through. M. One another word that I mean, she's begrudgingly trust trusting, like her nature is to trust people, but she keeps getting hurt. Creepy sears. For a minute, she trusted her dad, you know, she trusted her mom so many times, and that ball was dropped. She wants to be a very trusting person, but she's been throwing some curveballs in that area. What's

another word? I like those words? I spent a lot of I did get the questions ahead of time. So two words for me that really describe because I always think, why do I like Kelly right, especially since so many people are like team Brenda and the whole thing. Kelly's complicated, which I like, She's not the one note. She's not. She's not just what you thought in the first episode. It's pretty popular, you know, the cool girl. That's a good word. She's complicated. And I also find her to

be evolving. She is really evolving and finding herself, which we will play this one clip because as we go to the college, how could you not? Which I find that she's evolving so much, which is why I think I choose me resonated so much because the Kelly we first met almost get like chills. Oh my god, it's like my whole body's that Kelly when we first met

her would have never ever said that. No, that Kelly that we first met was so timid and scared and skeptical, like she was all the things that aren't going to serve her best moving forward. I feel like, yeah, and she was definitely like pigeonholed into this the stereotype that everybody had of her, and she bought into it and she believed it too until she didn't. HM complicated, thus

the evolving So Tom, you've met before. Tanya was on another one of our episodes, and this is her sister Leah, and I texted her last night because I wanted to get fans, real fans, to find out what they think of Kelly and to be able to say it to you. So why don't we to start with that for Leah and Tanya? What is it that resonates with you guys about Kelly? What do you like about her? And don't

be afraid to tell Jenny what you dislike about her? Okay. Well, one of the things that I loved so much about Kelly's character, like ARC, was that no matter what she went through, she handled it with grace, She handled it with dignity. She showed her vulnerability, and she showed real growth. And I know, like for TV, part of that was just for the drama of the show and whatnot, but for young women watching, it was really you know, inspirational for us to see her do that. So, yeah, that's

so cool. One of the things that I loved most about her, um, you know, she felt a connection with Dylan, and she messed up the entire friend group because of it. But in the end, you know, she was able to repair those friendships and the whole whole friend group bond stayed together. So I you know, I think they put her through a lot of different things, but in the end, it was about her just being vulnerable and her growing

from each and every experience that she went through. And I was just piggy piggyback off of that saying I didn't even really like I was. I was team Brenda when I first thought the film, to be honest, Brunetts right, and I was always the new kid. My family and I traveled every two to four years, we'd move around, so I was very I understood where's what she was coming from. Yeah, But as she has if I have

watched again and again, I'm now more team Kelly. Why what because of the journeys that she Yes, Yes, that character went through the most out of everyone on the show, and I think the biggest, the drastic, the drasticum drastic experiences and the biggest transformation of every out of anyone. Like, nobody liked Kelly in the beginning. She was a rich, stuck up spoiled entitled, but by the end, you see, Wow, she's one of the best friends of everybody. She also

was there the longest. I felt like you you really got to see her really grow through the whole show. Yeah, and then let I mean, let's also talk about like her fashion, like that was something to really look at, like her mazed and clothes you wanted those clothes, um, and I just yeah, I think we talked a lot about this her my sister and I about how she just really you really felt for her. In every episode it just kept you kept feeling more and more strongly

for her. And as an adult, I feel that more than I did back then. I think I'm so glad about the fashion too, because I think it is there is something like they use the word these days, what's that word they use on social media inspirational and like aspiration aspiration. I don't even know what the difference as you guys, thank god we have ATOK. So it's funny when you say the clothes, like we're talking about her in such a deep way, but at the same time,

it's like, that's why we watched this show. People in fancy cars and fancy clothes like and you wanted that, so I did think that doesn't belittle the character. It actually is such an important aspect of why this show. Thirty years later, we're all like, like, it wasn't that people go on Instagram to find people to come on. Today everyone's like pick me. I mean, like the Beverly Hills of it all, and the scenery of that, like beautiful place and all the other beautiful people in cars,

and the makeup and the hair in the clothes. Everybody want they wanted to see that because there was no Internet back then. They hadn't if you lived in you know, Ohio, you had no idea what it was like in Beverly Hills. So getting to see that was so exciting for people. And I didn't really even think about that until I became an older person able to think along the deeper levels. But I feel like now I really understood why it

was such a hit with people. I mean, gosh, I grew up overseas in different countries and I didn't know anything about Beverly Hills or La at all, so it was so, oh, that's what I'm getting into. Obviously, I moved here a few years ago, and it's not like that exactly everywhere. I wanted to ask Leah how long it took for you to overcome? And I'm using these words obviously you know we're talking about TV show. I'm not crazy, but what happened with Kelly and Dylan when

you were team Brenda? Like, how long before you, as a fan forgave her and liked her again? I mean I was rootings for the Brenda Dylan relationships so hard. Oh my gosh. I just loved him and I wanted them together so bad because I loved her. But I think once you really figure see visually see like, well, Kelly and Dylan just amazing, this amazing chemistry that he didn't have with Brenda. I think Brenda was great as

friends with Dylan. They were great friends eventually. Yeah, But so I think you just over time you see that, you see that relationship and obviously, like spoiler alerts, Jenny

like Brandon is you know the real one? And again what I'm sorry I thought, though, I think I'm glad you've said that too, because I think there's so much Jenny and Luke in Yes, Kelly and Dylan definitely, like I know Jenny very well and I had the great luck fortune of meeting Luke very a few times and you do see that, You're like on the podcast so much too, So now it's like, oh, that chemistry was real. Like you guys, you maybe could have had a moment

in real life. You know, you kind of alluded to that a little bit on the podcast. You had you had an amazing friendship, and you've talked about that. So it's like, as a Kelly fan from the beginning, I never switched teams. I was always counting. It's like, oh, that's so nice. They got along in real life and they had a special bond and a special connection and that came through. That came through on the show. For sure.

I'm so glad. I mean, being able to have that relationship with him was what I was, you know, the so lucky to be able to work with him and be his friend. And I'm just really grateful for that

whole experience. I saw a TikTok last night, weirdly of Leo Leonardo DiCaprio, like I know him Leah talking about Luke Perry really coming up in Hollywood and how Luke Perry was like at that time, James Dean, he said, I don't want to get it wrong, but I'm paraphrasing, but just talking about how that was such a superstar and not just like famous, but like the way he you know, had that energy, that star energy, and how everyone looked up to him and admired him, and it's

like quality that they talk about, right, he had that equality and he was such a beautiful man. He was so handsome, oh my gosh. And and behind his eyes there what you like you said before, there was a complication behind his eyes, there was some sort of intrigue that you wanted to know, like what's going on? And there? Why are you the way you are? I had such an in my own head last night trying to figure out,

like who is the leader of this group? Right? Like you know, in most like popular groups in high school, not so much in college, but high school for sure, there's always sort of the the leader, and it's like is the leader Dylan? Is it Brandon? Is it Kelly?

I'm never clear it was Brandon, yeah, but each episode it kind of changed, right, Yeah, the a storyline that he was kind of the leader of the pack that that episode, I think, right, and I think in five more seasons, six more seasons, if we had this conversation again, I think we would say, Kelly, maybe by the end of the series. It definitely is exciting, can't wait to watch it. Hang in there, hang in there? Did you

you guys watch it together? Was it ever like sisters? When? Yeah, it was teamed Kelly and remember remember I used to record it and send it to her overseas, so on a VHS you would send yeah. Yeah, when the DVD set came out, we definitely have watched many of episodes together. Yeah, that's so fun, I know. Yeah, a full disclosure. I am very good friends with Tanya, and so we text obviously lots of things about the show, about the podcast and like what do you like, what do you not like?

What do we need to do to the good? So interesting is I have a handful of friends that literally could teach a college class on this show, which I'm sure there is in one of these colleges like Good, Bad and the Ugly, Right, I mean, yeah, our age group we've watched that show. Like I'm saying we because I really feel like I know our fan base so well. The people that watched that show were so committed to it.

You had to commit to watching it because it was on once a week and it was at a certain time and you had to be there, and if you weren't there, you missed it, right and when and young people, when they commit to something like that that they're actually interested in or that makes them feel something or gives them a voice, they forever that they'll remember that those characters gives them a voice. Somebody was talking about how like there are things you learned back when we were

teenagers from nine o two one er. That was like real life shit, do you know what I mean? Like you don't do this, don't do that, don't do Crystal myth I'm learning right now, I'm David. That's not good, right, Oh boy, so much? But yeah, I mean you really do have to give some credit. I wish Tory was here to Aaron Spelling for being so extraordinarily brilliant to like, and Darren Starr of course too like and actually he's

so prolific. Still it's really interesting ahead of their time really, and also our showrunners from Day Want, Chuck Rosen and his wife Karen, and then of course Steve and Jessica. I mean, yeah, they lived and breathed these characters and they meant so much to them and Chuck. I mean, he really really put everything he had into this show

and you can feel it. And luckily he had you know, he had Aaron watching from his offices and and Darren watching from his desk, you know, and everybody working together to make something that was memorable for people. Totally. Yeah, you always forget the boots on the ground. Oh yeah,

there's a whole behind the scenes past, right for sure. Yeah. Well, there was something else that we were talking about in regards to Kelly specifically, is that she was kind of like the first first of like hair Clue List or mean girls, like the first of that that both kind of female characters. Yeah that, I mean, I don't know if like Heathers was that before A round the same time, I round the same time, Yeah, around the same time. There seemed to be a flock of those types of characters.

But it's interesting because we also were saying Kelly Cross in those first couple of episodes as like you were saying the rich girl started bitch, she sort of you know, stuck up, and then all of a sudden she wasn't that anymore, you know, like her story came out and then the fact that she'd been with Steve or whatever. But then she like leveled out, and I think the Twins.

The Twins came in and it was supposed to be obviously a show about Brenda and Brandon, and then it was this group of friends and each each friend kind of led that particular storyline or whatever. Yeah, um, And I like I loved seeing Kelly in her vulnerable sense. Oh yeah, that it was refreshing, like, oh, wow, you're not perfect. Yeah, you're not perfect. Yeah. I think it was so much more fun to get to play um, originally the bad girl, the bitch, you know, the spoiled whatever.

I knew that that was those were my marching orders. But I know that if you sit down with me for five minutes, you know that I that's there's more to the story. And so I think that the producers and the writers and everybody involved were really leaned into that and said, oh, there's so much more we can Yeah, let's explore what's going on. And the representation of a young girl girlhaage, like super confused and super in over

her head and out of water. You know, all the things that young girls especially then were Now we're all you know, we all know, way too much, too early, but she was just figuring it out as she went. Well, we all benefited from that. So I'm glad that they that because we got to see all different sides of Kelly. I'm glad. I'm so glad we'll let them go. But I'm so glad they brought up the relationship with Steve because I think that it's one of the things that

really stands out about Kelly. And we're saying loyal and she had that passed with him, which we never really were privy toight, we just know that it happened, and I think we see the importance of that, the significant of that, the loyalty you have even come out with you know what happened at the Keg House with the you know eny girl that said it's like you realize that no matter what, Kelly is going to be loyal to these people is even if it's an ex boyfriend,

she is going to be fierce about it. Right. They were great friends. Stephen Kelly were really good friends. You have always It's so as you say that because like maybe I learned that from Kelly. Maybe I because I am an extremely loyal person, like loyal to a fault, and I'm wondering just now, like where did I learn that? That must be one of the places that I learned that from because that I was modeling it for myself.

For sure. I can even in my mind see them dancing at the prom and they always have that connection. And I don't know if it was Jenny and Iron or just Kelly and See, but like the chemistry and connection, and it is a different chemistry then with Luke. It's much more of this friend you might like brother's sister, but like a friend. Yeah, that's definitely Jenny and I. We that's our relationship. And they they really just kind

of wrote what they saw. I mean, even whatever they wrote, we played it in a way that was through our eyes. And you know, so it has so much of us in it, So that's right. They can't write those facial expressions, right. Yeah. I find it so interesting that even now, as I mean an adult woman in your very early fifties, you're learning so much of what you experienced on that show

you you drew from in your real life. I mean, that's so interesting to me as an as an actor that that's what you do, because how could you not you spent so many waking hours working on that show and becoming you know, such good friends and having such good connections and relationships with these people that wow, you're looking back going from you know, you're connecting. I'm learning so much by watching the show back. It's crazy. I never thought doing nine or two and nine or two one,

OMG would be like therapy for me. It's been so cathartic and like, I've just had a different perspective on so many things and then was able to, like you say, parlay that into my real life and say, wow, that's interesting. Wow, yeah, I love it. Well, we really appreciate you. Yes, thank you, Thank youth. Talk to you guys. So fun all right, bye bye. So then Ricky's next Jenny, Oh my gosh, to have a sister, wouldn't it be fun? Age They love the show like, oh we both do, Ricky, Like, um,

thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it, of course. Thank you. Where are you calling from because do I hear an accent? Yes? Are you alive? Are you live from there? Or where are you calling? Yeah? I'm live. Yeah, I'm in Australia. I know. Oh my god, I didn't know you were actually in Australia. I mean, you can hear your you can hear the Australian is what time is it? What time is it? There? Is it a normal time? It's just going past eight o'clock

in the morning. Okay, that's too bad. God, that's fine. Yeah, actually worked out perfectly. So yeah, oh my gosh, we'll have at it. Asked me, what do you want to go? You can say the bad of kel me good anything. I've got plenty. But I'm sure you watch timels. Um. Well, I guess it's more sort of you know, back of house stuff. If that's okay, It's not about Kelly herself. UM, I'm what I'm really actually curious about, surprisingly is, um,

your relationship with Kathleen Robertson. Um, just because I really loved the college years and especially the beach apartment times with the three girls. Um. I just loved their dynamic and everything. Um. And we just heard a few times how close Kathleen and Tory were. I'm just wondering if you and Kathleen were more co workers than friends, or you know, if there was a good friendship there, and if you had any fun or interesting stories from your

time working with her, you having't babies at that? What you would actually come in on the show like four or five? Yeah, you're actually only a few episodes away from meeting her. Really, Yeah, I thought, I guess I'm so exciting season five. But is it at the end of four. She makes a few appearances in four, and then she really comes in in five. Well, it's interesting. Nobody's really ever asked me this question or asked me about questions you maybe had heard four two. So, um, no,

you you kind of nailed it. I was more of a cast mate with Kathleen than a good friend. Um. I think she and Tory gravitated towards one another, they were closer. Um, but I always really loved working with her and loved you know, we was always a good time. I know that. And um, she was just a great, solid person and had a great work ethic which I really loved working with. And um that. Yeah, it didn't go much further than that, to be honest with you.

In my recollection, I hope I'm not wrong. I hope we didn't hang out all the time, and I'm forgetting it. But what year did you get married to Peter? Me? I was married before Peter. I know, but what year did you get married to Peter too? I don't not during, not during nine o two one or during Okay, thank god Reggie's here, so it's torture. That's so sad. But sorry, I've forgotten these things. Two thousand and one, Okay, what

was the date Ricky was in January? Or yeah? Yeah, I only remember because I was I was fourteen or people at the time. I remember it was on entertainment tonight. It's like coming up some celebrity wedding. I was like some nowhere. I don't even care about December. It was you with that incredible headge. Did you watch nine two

one zero in Australia? Yes? I mean I was only four or five when it actually started, but my oldest sixteen, so she would watch it, and I was sort of forced to watch them in that sense and memory, being about seven years old, and I remember this guy ideal and had to choose between brunette and the blonde, and for some reason, this little seven year was like, I wanted to choose the blonde, and luckily for me and here we are, Oh my god, to keep going. I

want to hear your question that maybe Jenny's never heard before. Um, well, so I know that it's hard for actors to watch themselves back and you know, have a look at work. But now that we're about well you're about a third of way through watching, you know, not each one in itself. I'm just wondering, how are you finding are you looking at are you seeing things? You're like, Oh, I wish I'd delivered that differently, or interpret that differently, or you know,

that's I'm really proud of how I've done that. I think that's exactly what was right for the character, et cetera. Like how is it now watching your work back all these years later? I mean, that's a good question. Again. I look, I don't like watching my current self now, Like I don't watch what I'm doing right now, But watching that young girl do this show is so much fun for me because it's as if it's a different person.

But I do have this really like motherly sort of connection with her in a weird way, because she was so young and so green and so naive and so just like really thrown into this crazy world of fame and you know, all the things that came along with being on the show. I feel like watching Kelly, watching

myself play Kelly. I'm really proud of her. I'm really I'm proud of what I was able to do as an actress with absolutely no training to speak of and no experience really, and that really, I think it taught me to sort of act in a way where it's it's more about organic, real feelings through the characters body, image, wardrobe,

makeup all those things. So like, I feel, I feel what Kelly's going through, and I think that that is a testament to even though I had no idea what I was doing, to my ability to play her that way, you know, And I'm just so grateful that, um they let me do that, you know that that's that's where I learned sort of going off that as well then, Like I mean, you guys were doing over thirty episodes. I see a year crazy by the way, the amount

of episodes is just nuts. Yeah, it was like child labor, weird broken somewhere like that would include you know, like the doubles that you've mentioned, and I can only imagine how um, you know, promotional things you have to do for the show and everything as well. How was it working on that, Like was it just so quick, like, we don't have to time it on the tank. We don't have time to really look at this scene and research, you know, especially as these went on, Your your character

went through so much that was it hard? Were you wanting to do more research or preparation than time allowed? Oh yeah, I mean especially with like the meteor stuff that I had to do, you know, all the crazy things that Kelly went through. Um, I would have loved a little more time to prepare. But it was literally read this script, get it memorized, show up on set, do your job, go back, memorize something else, and do that.

You know, we never had any time for any rehearsal to speak of, or like any you know, sitting around talking about the characters. There was none of that. We were really just flying by the seat of our pants. Yeah. Sorry, one more, Ricky, got one that's gonna stump or try try try one more. None of us I'm writing too, like the ghostie side of things and everything. But um, and you might not want to answer this, and that's absolutely funn I understand it now. I hope he does.

There was an actor that was costing your love interest in the seventh season. Um that both you and Larry Mullen have mentioned that you didn't enjoy working with who was it? Who was it? Dalton James play. I think it was when you went tour they were promoting Mystery Girls,

and I remember I saw you playing. It was like an actually, why don't you want to a game where you probably catch you, Oh, your boyfriend's in order, and I remember you, well, yeah, Well it's so weird because I honestly can't like remember any like weird thing I had with him, or like I didn't dislike him in that I can recall. Maybe there just wasn't chemistry. I think that that was more it that I just didn't feel like a fit for Kelly, and so maybe he

wasn't my favor. You know, it's so funny, and I know I'm obviously I'm not answering the question because what the hell do I know? But like when we were about to interview Paul Johansson, we all were like, oh my god, because John Sears sucks so bad that you

get confused. You're like, okay, But Paul Johanson was like amazing, and he's such a nice, cool guy and he was such a great guest and everyone loved him, and like, it was so much fun and he was amazing that I do think, and even I, like have interviewed Paul a million times. I even was like, oh, John Sears, Oh, I wonder what can Dalton's character like characters sucked all right?

His character was supposed to be, you know, a good combination of Brandon and Dylan because Kelly was between them sort of at the time, and I never saw that sort of you know, Brandon dealers about him. But I was just sort of, yeah, curious, But that's absolutely fine. I think that's so funny. And I know I'm getting

I'm getting over my skis. But the two guest stars that always stand out to me or I don't know if they were guest stars or like semi regulars whatever you call Jamie Walters and then the cutie that I always say his name. His name's out of my head. But the dates I think Donna like that cutie. I think he was like, oh, which one before that? Oh my god, I said his name the other day. I was waiting for which one, Briton. Nope, Now I'm gonna

have to look while we have the next question. And it's so weird how certain people with you know, arcs stand out to you, like where you're like, you know, like certain guests are certain people and you just totally don't forget them, and then others you're like personal was on. It's so bad. I feel terrible because if I had a visual, I would remember it in a heartbeat, like I'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, seen Alice. She didn't do that many episodes, but she is like practically in

the core cast. It's like so interesting how much she stands out and how certain people you forget. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Sorry, that's all I got. Thank you for that. Good day. Wow, Thank you. I hope you have a great day. You have a whole day ahead of you. Thank you a getting so much good time. I really do appreciate that. Oh my god, you gotta come back when we do the deep dive into Donna, because this is a deep dive into Kellers now and I I just it's such an honor to you to

be he's sitting with do you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, And thank you for doing this podcast as well. Um, it's awesome. Thank you. I'm so glad you like it. I love these people. Sarah will take Sarah next. But oh my god, I mean our fans for this crazy to be you, to have people just love your work, love you love that show. I mean,

let's be real, they really love that show. And I can't get why, like like celebrities get kind of addicted to that, like and how it would be so hard if, like, you know, you didn't ever get that, because it's like it's it is sort of like it's such a nice feeling. It's better than people saying I hate you, you suck. I really have to remember that actor's name. He's just super cutie. I'll think of it. I cannot think of his name. I can, Daddy, I'll get it. I'll get it. Hi, Why,

Oh my god, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. You don't even know. It's like Amy, I wish that I knew, I would have like looked like her in my office right now. So the reason I wanted Sarah to come on was also to sort of analyze, like a lot of the people had questions for you, but I wanted people that could also analyze Kelly, like the good, the bad,

and the ugly, like you said, Jenny. So Sarah will you say, like, what is it that you're drawn to with Kelly and what do you not like and why do we you know, we get mad at her, but we forgive her on the Dylan thing like it. So, I mean, there's so many things. There's so many things. There's also season one Kelly, and then there's like every other season Kelly, so I will say that there's definitely a separation there. My favorite Kelly was definitely like season two,

season three, season four, because I actually the Dylan. I'm probably talking in circles, so stop me, but the Dylan and Kelly storyline was my favorite, as I'm sure it was many other favorites. I was definitely a team Kelly all the way. But I felt and watching those episodes now, and I know, if you guys discussed on the pod today, we would have been so upset at your character for doing something like that. But there was something about that storyline back then that I was never mad at Kelly

for doing that. And I also didn't hate Brenda, so it wasn't like I was team A or Team B or Team B or K. I should say, I just just saw the chemistry and the attraction and that storyline and how Kelly has flourished from season one to two at that point, I guess it was three, and how your life evolved from that point on, And I don't know, I was just rooting that storyline to me still, I still watch it all the time on Paramount now, and that that I think was like the peak of when

people really got to know Kelly and whether they hated her or not. But I mean, like obviously they knew her a lot, like throughout, you know, all of like this this stuck with Jackie from season one, um and all the problems obviously that you've had throughout the entire series, you mean, poor I'm not really doing this through right now because yeah, yeah, so to season four. But I do think that there was a season one Kelly and

then there was beyond that everybody really fell for. And my favorite thing about Kelly, and I'll say this is that I think girls loved her and guys loved her equally. I think girls were in love with her and guys were in love with her in sexual and non sexual ways. Right,

We talked about that a little bit. She's a girls girl definitely through but also every guy had a crush on her, but all so we'd like hang out with her and like want to Like Steve, we were talking about the beach with her, you know, and she's a loyal girlfriend and a loyal ex girlfriend exactly exactly. I think that's cool. I think that's a good um take on it, because yeah, being a good friend was really important to Kelly, and I don't think it mattered if

it was a girl or a boy. And I don't think Kelly really led with her sexuality or her like you know, look at me, I am the hot girl. Like she never really did that, So it didn't it didn't like put people off, you know, especially girls that she was just I don't know, there was like a comfortability with her, I think right right, Like she wasn't like that villain that I think that she was like casted to be or mean you know that you were casted to play that season one that Beverly les Brat.

I mean maybe she was a little bit then, but I think you evolved into the role and I think that she became that girl's girl where she wasn't just showing off and she you know, she was real and she was just somebody that like I wanted to be friends with like I wanted to be here, and this is a weird topic, but it's like she's so pretty, right, right, But she's not so pretty that you're like, I hate her. She's so pretty, right, She's more like so pretty that

you're like, I love her. She's so pretty? Do you know what I mean? Right? But how would you saying if it was the other way? Like, right, right, I here, she's so pretty because there are those people that are like there's a couple, there's people in Hollywood that where they're like, they're beautiful, but there's something sort of like where you're like, I don't want to hang out with that, Yeah, where she's not that Like, No, Kelly's a good hang.

I'm a good hang. Kelly's a good I agree, I agree? Yeah, uh huh. I think that's interesting. So I asked, um, thank you, by the way, Sarah, what would be three words you would use to describe Kelly? And luckily so for people listening, Sarah didn't hear the beginning. So I want to know, like from you, what would be the three words you would use to describe money. Um, So I'm gonna go I'm gonna say sexy Kelly, like those scenes with Dylan in season three, like they just say

I think, I mean, I never really saw her sexy. Yes, I'm gonna say I want to say that, yeah, sexy. I want to say confident, but I feel like there was a vulnerability about her, so um, loyal, loyal, loyal, loyal. M I do want to say confident though, because I do think that she knew how to own who she was, like down the halls of Les Beverly, like she knew she was Kelly Taylor, and she knew she was you know who her place was there. But yeah, confidence good.

We've seen that recently with Steve being confident to stand up for him and then also with John Sears being confident to go now that I know you're a pig, I'm out. It took her, but once she by loser. Yeah, and I'm actually I don't know if you're at this point, but I was watching, UM, so I was telling Amy, I'm like rewatching with you guys as you're listening, Um, I'm paramount and I was watching. There's a scene when you were off at the retreat with Brandon and he's

with Lucinda and you're still okay. I don't think you are that far I want to talk about it. We retreat and I'm so greed. We're about to watch the episode where they go scheme, we're about to talk about okay, yeah, yeah, So I'm a little ahead of you. You're just like, I know, I watched it when I get ready for work in the morning, and I'm just like, first of all,

I love people that I watch it. It's like a sexiness about Kelly, like as a woman that I could say, like I think that she exuded like I don't know, there was just something so like I don't, I can't, I can't explain it. It's a good word. I can't let you watch it. I mean, Kelly, Dylan, Kelly and Dylan together, it's like you wanted your TV to just like combust. Like I actually like Kelly and Dylan right now in the phase we're in another sort of reunited.

It's not totally clear. It's very comfortable. They seem very comfortable with themselves, each other and the relationship. Yeah, it

has season fourgotten to that point. I agree, I agree, But I just I know that there's was, like you know, there were so many different like sides, especially I know, like Amy, you were saying like your Instagram was just blowing up during the season three rewatch of all of that and Team Kelly and Team Brenda, and it's it's I think that will forever be like the hottest storyline.

Good years later, it's crazy to me because I again, like, like, am I wrong for thinking there was nothing wrong with that? Like they just totally I guess I'm wrong. I guess I'm wrong. I think I'd say, maybe only a little bit wrong, Like it was bad, it wasn't messed up that she went out with her bed friend. It is so my boyfriend, but he was her ex boyfriend. But when yeah, but then it's yeah, a little it was when I wouldn't and I would never do that to

a friend, especially I just wouldn't. But as I'm watching that, I just didn't feel like, I know, I don't I agree with you. I don't think that I would. Yeah, condone that now, well and that's really weird. Okay, So thirty years later, right, we get like people are mad mad and they're like, yeah, you suck, and like they get so blurred like you're not Team Brenda, why don't you like Shannon? And I'm like like what but here's

what's so weird. If we're to buy into the characters, Brenda is fine with it now it's like very weird. Like so Brenda over at Dylan's with you, playing with the sister, it's all hunky dory. So they're still mad even though Brenda's not mad right right. I have loved, though, to see like what I want to love more, see more meat around that, Like how did they come to being able to hang out together? And how did Brenda?

You know, what was her emotional journey with that more than just like the sad way stuff, but like getting to like being okay with it and becoming the friend group again, Like I just sort of maybe some of the confidence. I don't know. Yeah, I have heard about that a lot too, because as I'm watching those scenes, I'm thinking, like, if I were Brenda, I could not be happy hanging out with these two right now in this big group no way, and just seeing and Kelly

and Dylan all lovey and hugging. And then she's just sitting there, but she she's making the character think that this is perfectly fine and I'm okay with it. Well, but it flares up. Think about Thanksgiving? Yeah, that was like bitter and then but I want to see that, you know, like when you watch The Bachelor and you see the girls are really melting down. You know, I've never watched The Bachelor. I watched The Bachelor. Now this season, I'm in, Okay, it's so weird is now you're watching.

It's not even that I have been so bad I can't not watch it, but it's like I want I want to see the meltdowns with Brenda and Kelly a little bit more like I want to see the inner workings of like what as women young women? Like what how did that happen that they came back together? And yeah, we never really got to see that, And I agree, it just would have been nice to really explore the dynamics because it's just like a couple episodes one by

and then they're friends again a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I also wonder Sarah will let you go in a second. But I also wonder too, like because when you when you rewatch and like you get these clips on TikTok, they that clip on TikTok of the the walk. Remember when you have to do the walk with her to find you know and tell her, Oh, my god, I heartbreak watch today. So maybe we've watched that so much

that it's like imprinted in us. But we didn't watch these all happy happy, they're fine, They're fine as many times, so we're like, oh, that's messed up because we saw it thirty times and we've only seen them like so happy. Yeah, that that all that tension and all that drama really did stick out for people, and I think stick with them. Yeah a little bit. Wait, Sarah, you rock. We'll have you back for sure. No, I would love to talk

about this all day. Thank you and Jenny. I Um, I am going to nineties Con and I'm very excited. I told Amy I was using my magic every which way I I am. So I live in the city, so it's a two hour car ride, I'm getting it's only two hours from the city. So yeah, it's a Hartvard, Connecticut. Wait, Sarah, do you have a husband. I do. Does he think you're nuts? Yes? He saw my likes my like, he's like, you are really good at your job. I can't eat like the way. I literally was like calling up everyone

that I knew, like Amy. I bothered Amy. I was like I would have made it happen. But I was like, I have to get to this nineties con please, yes, I need like I need like a group picture because you know, you guys are all gonna be there, like you can get right next to my eye in and feel good about it, and Shannon is going to be there. I've never Jenny. I actually went to your book signing years ago at UM Ridgewood in Ridgewood, New Jersey at

Bookends or something. I think that I've met you and Crazy and I met Tory, but I, um, I've never met Shannon and um Jason. I saw like they keep adding people like I saw, wait, Jason's going, He's on the website what and they added um like Rebecca Gayheart now is going and god yeah, like they're adding all these people and they're crazy. There are so many like Saved by the Bell and full House and full yeah yeah, Charmed, Yeah, thank you. I'm going to see you in Crime Crime Can.

There's your other weekend So just revealed herself, don't you Crime Can? I promise? Okay, guys, Oh my god, Na, he is coming. I'm so excited. I am excited for you. That's so cute