I Don't Know Whether to Laugh or Cry

we definitely have ourselves covered. Today. We have Amy sugar Man with us and we're joined once again by David Lasher, who has graciously told us that he would fill in for Tori today. So thanks David. Yes, happy to be here. Thanks. Hi. Last time you were with us was like a year ago, I think, yeah, yeah, remember yeah the summer, the summer episode that we did, our big Beach episode. Yes, yes,

Kyle and Kelly. Yeah, but you're back now and you're helping me, and you watched the episode this week, So we're tell me nine two when I was did you do? I think it was three episodes and they all had you know, they were all really meaningful, you know, having rewatched them, I can't believe how bold and uh you know, courageous. Those three episodes were I felt like, okay, so they've asked you back for this episode, right, and you're like, yes, cool.

But honestly, they underused you. They didn't give you the character of Kyle anything to do. Yeah, well, Kyle had you know. The first episode, as we spoke about, was you know, a very you know, a kind of ground breaking episode about sexual orientation and a high school kid coming out to you know, a very close friend. Uh. And then the next episode, I was using steroids on the football team and Brandon exposed our use of you know, illegal steroids. And then this one was I mean, we'll

get into it, but like serious racial issues. Um So, I don't know, maybe they ran out of heavy topics, but I just wanted your I just wanted your character to like do more, be say more, do more. Like in the episode it was so packed with Brandon in the newspaper and dance and everything. But yeah, no, I I yeah, I looking back, I don't remember that episode so much because I probably didn't. I didn't have that

much to do. But I remember, you know, all you working with you guys in Michael Cutlitz, and I isn't that wild that Michael Cutlitz is. It's just like a jock in this. Yeah, it's super cool that, like you guys are It's like you guys are part of the group now, kind of like just like part of the football team. Is the guys hanging out? You know? I like that. Yeah, those are my boys. And it wasn't Michael like in production design. And Michael's story was our construction.

He was in our construction department. So he built sets for the first season, two seasons whenever he started, and then all of a sudden he was acting on the show. They're like, wait, what do you Why are you in here? What are you doing on the set? Yeah? And then he did the walking gay go figure. But before we get into the episode, I just want to kind of catch up with you, Like, what's been going on in the last year with you? What if? What have we missed? Um?

I guess first and foremost most recently, been having a great time. I'm with my my family, my kids. I have a freshman in college who came and met us in Colorado last week for spring break and we had a week of skiing. Yeah, and there you know, my son's the junior and he's uh captain of his varsity basketball team, and you know, studying for a c t S. And we're looking at colleges. And then I have a twelve year old Chelsea who's a little TikTok star and soccer player. Um and uh, we just had such a

great week scheme because they're old enough to ski with us. Now. You know, I'm not like carrying three sets of skis begging them to go to ski school you know. Um, yeah, I've been there. Skiing with little kids is a lot of work, a lot, but it's when when they get older and they can do it. It's like it's like, hey, I have a ski buddy. I have. These are my friends, not my kids anymore. It's so fun. How old are

your kids? Okay? My youngest is almost sixteen, my middle one is nineteen, and my oldest one is almost okay, so you know, I listen. I enjoyed all the stages of my kids lives, but now it's just so much fun. They're like these grown people that are now friends and people that I respect and enjoy. It's it's really cool. Um. And then yeah, I've been doing a lot of podcasts.

I did, Uh this Forward Filmmaker podcast for a distributor of a movie that I have on Apple TV called Sister with this great actress Grace Coughin, who is also starring in and Apple's new movie called The Sky Is Everywhere. Um, So we released right after that to try and capture some of that audience. And she's just one of the best actresses I've ever worked with. Um. And then I just I just finished the last re write on a

screenplay that I have with with Tribeca Films. Um. I don't know if I'm even allowed to say that yet because we haven't finalized anything, but Jane Rosenthal and Tribeca really championed this last script. The last film I did called Sister, we premier to Tribeca and uh so they're very interested in this new screenplay. And it's been a number of years because I promised myself I'm not going to do another film unless it's something I'm dying to do that I think people need to see because it

does takes like two years of your life. Um. But yeah, you know, finishing a piece of writing is really satisfying. I'm really happy with it. What an accomplishment. I mean, that's that's really admirable. Yeah, we'll see if it gets made. I've written it doesn't get made, Like just finishing a script, finishing a book, wishing something like that is such a huge undertaking. Yeah, I was like, I didn't know what to do with myself. When I finally submitted it to them,

I'm like, Wow, there's nothing else I can do. It's either it's either gonna get made or it's not. It's now it's out of my control. But well, fingers crossed were sending all the good Nina and OMG vibes to you. Okay, should we get into the episode? You guys? Yeah, you want to when you read Okay, already everybody. This is season three, episode ten, Home and Away. It aired on

October Synopsis. After two students are shot at Shaw High Schools football game, the West Beverly School Board cancels their upcoming football game. Brenda holds band auditions and selects David's band to perform at the dance. Brandon and Jordan Bonner band together to publish an titorial inviting Shaw students to attend West Beverly's dance. Kelly makes plans to meet up with her father. Directed by Jack bender written by Chip Johansson.

My favorite thing about nine until No literally is that we can have this very serious, very of the time heavy story going well. Simultaneously we have not the whack like Sue scambling, like just being nuts, David, David singing again, David dancing and singing, and then the drama of Kelly's dad. It's like, what was a lot going on in this episode? I don't even know where to start, Like what do we how do we even begin? I mean, okay, I'm just jump right in. The beginning was unlike something we've

ever seen on the show. Was different with the whole band, the marching band, and the uh that was before the credits. It was just very different. And then straight into the voiceover of Brandon, which the show has never done that kind of device, that of using that voiceover, and it was like, wait, what's happening? I don't know if I like this, but I ended up kind of liking it. I gotta be honest, Yeah, what did you think of that? David?

It was an interesting device and we sort of had like a little bit of a we went back in time and then it was current like it was a little whoa, this is different. Yeah, I didn't realize they had never used voiceover, But I thought getting inside Brandon's head for his motivations and what he was trying to

accomplish was very effective. Here's my question about that, because you know from your experience probably that a lot of times filmmakers will producers, whoever, directors will use that voiceover device as a as a X because the episode isn't coming together, it's not understandable, the audience is, it's not getting it, so they decide, okay, let's go and lay in some voiceover to sort of explain what's happening as

it's happening. And it happens all the time, and sometimes it's great, sometimes it's in you know, it's like the premise of the show. But this was just so out of context for our show that I was curious, like maybe that was the reason they decided to do that voice over. I it sounded like it was part of

the original screenplay. Yeah, it was like the narrative of this is all about Brandon retelling this story, catching us up on sort of what was happening, and then the Blaze becoming such an important part of it, and then Jordan's also writing his thing, and that was all part of this like master plan they had. I mean I appreciated the story for sure, and the importance of it, and especially being on the heels of the riots and all the Rodney King stuff that happened in the nineties. Yeah,

and that was just a few months earlier. It was really timely, Like this was October and that had been happening in April May. So I wonder if the you know, producers and writers were like, we need to really address this. We can't just not talk about this, all this tension that's going on in the city. And that's why this episode came in. Yeah, David, you remember at all or like when you when they brought you back, do you remember them discussing anything about like this is a very

serious episode. Well, like I said, my previous two episodes were also very heavy issues. So I just thought, wow, these writers are they're going for it there. You know, you guys had a huge platform. First of all, right, so, uh, you're filming in a city that I had just moved here. I remember the riots. I mean it was insane. Um so to do a show that takes place in l A. Films in l A and just ignore it would have been uh, not not irresponsible, but just kind of strange. Yeah,

they they went for it here on this one. It felt oddly or oddly is not the right word sad. How Also, we're still dealing with school shootings and issues very similar to this, So I was like, Wow, if you removed sort of the nine o two one oh of it, like just the you know, the clothes, the cheesy parts, the episode could have been on any show today like this is. That's just this is such a topic that is completely in the news and something everyone's

discussing on a regular basis. So I thought, Wow, they really did have some sort of a crystal ball or knew like these issues are always going to be relevant. Unfortunately. Sad. Yeah, sad that we haven't progressed. I mean, I guess at first when I saw it, I kind of felt like the school board or Mrs Teasley, the whole big meeting about canceling the game, canceling the dance. At first, I was like, wait, what why are they doing that? That seems so not okay to do? And uh, but I

guess I get it. I mean I would be afraid to like if I wouldn't want to be responsible for sending, you know, the school the kids into a dangerous environment. But then they did say that it wasn't it wasn't the Shaw kids the right the incident was caused by It was the other school that came in. So I also kind of was like, why are they pinning it

on Shaw when it just happened there. You know what I think is so fascinating is after watching it, I was like, Oh, this is and I'm just gonna say it, like this is gonna be hard to talk about, And it's like that's pretty something that an episode from thirty years ago is challenging to navigate properly for us thirty years later, because it's like I literally was like, how

am I going to do this? Because I also want to talk about the goofy parts of the episode and it seems insensitive to the seriousness of the a storyline, And it's like, wow, like I'm having the same conversations that I have, how do we navigate current news stories today about a show from thirty years ago. I'm like, I don't want to say the wrong thing, and I don't want to like mess this up, and I need to like do my research and handle this probably and

it's like this from thirty years ago. It's nine O two one oh what like it did you guys at all? Like? Still very relevant issues. But I think Brandon's um solution is incredible, you know. I mean, yes, there's risk involved in bringing the groups together, but what what other choice do we have except stay divided or come together at a dance and and try and find common ground? Right? Yeah?

I was really tense when well, first of all, I was a little lost, like I kept getting a little lost in the story with the newspaper and the articles and the and the I did, and I was I was grateful for the voice over because I didn't really I literally agree with you, Jenny. I wrote down somewhere I'm not sure I'm getting what's happening. Yeah, And I felt like, wait, why have I not understanding an episode? I don't want out? Something's wrong with me. I literally

was like, Well'm not falling. It's a little convoluted with like who's gonna be this though, because then it's this, because then it's this. Yeah, I was like, wait, who's writing what? Who cares? I don't even care about the newspaper, But I did focus on Brandon's beautiful eyebrows. I mean, we can't do this podcast and not talk about stuff

like that. This eyebrows are so expressive. Did you guys ever notice the way they're like, he looked great typing because they kind of first of all pleased talk about the computer. The computer was like, oh my god, I did notice that. So uncomfortable and so like bizarre, Like he was like, look, there was a computer. It was the old Apple twee or something like that, Like I remember having that for sure. But then they shot it so you could see his like looking like a bad reflection.

I saw that shot. That was a great shot. They did not twice. It was so good they used it twice, but it was There were so many fun things to talk about in this episode. Other than me being confused a little bit by the storyline. There was just it was tricky and they were navigating this heavy thing while we're literally with some of this other stuff like what dance were you guys? Okay, we're not there, we cannot We're not jump into the end. I'm sorry. We have

to say that. Really that's the piece to resistance. Like, yeah, I will say I was confused as well by what was happening with Kelly and Dylan, because it was as if nothing had happened before. It was back to normal. Dylan's with Brenda and Kelly's seemingly fine with it and off with her father. I just was like, what is how is this? And then there's a moment where the three of you were dancing dance and I was like,

three like a threesome dance? That's there. There's like this all this tension in the episode before and the episode before and the episode before, and I didn't I was like, how do they It's like I felt all confused. Yeah, And then there was that beautiful scene at the peach fit between the two of them were like, deep down in my mind, I'm like they love each other. It was all like goog, like, we have so much more to unpack. Let's take a quick break and we'll be

right back. I love that We've always noticed the same, Like, yeah, when Luke pulls both of you in together, I was like, this guy wants both of them. I mean, I am I mistaken? Or is there still is there something going on with Bryn, I mean with Dylan and Kelly? Or am I did I smoke, you have not resolved that right, Oh, and it's it's the big the big thing is coming.

So that's why I was still that threesome. Dands, I was like, yeah, And even when he goes to the peach pen and finds poor little Kelly there drowning in her tears, uh, I was still I was like, I don't I don't know where these two characters are. I like that they're still friends like this, and they're still there for each other on this little deep level of understanding. But I was very confused. I felt like it was consistent. I felt like I didn't know, Like I felt like

that storyline was kind of dropped. Yeah, David, I'm so curious when you did this episode, do you remember like how big nine O two have gotten now, like and how major it was and how Kelly Dylan Brenda Dylan

was such a thing. Yeah, I mean, I think I talked about it when we did are The first episode I did was that summer where the show really blew up and I just moved to l A. And you know, I had told you guys, I was pretty good friends with Luke at the time, and uh, I remember driving to those Beach episode It's down PC to go work with, like, you know, the big on the biggest show in the

world at the time. And I just remember feeling like the magic of California, you know, when you first moved there and you got working on the show, and you know, Jenny certainly looked a part of like the California Girl, and um, it was magical. It was definitely a magical time. And then I remember going to those warehouses to shoot the interiors. I was like, what the hell is this this?

Why aren't we on Disney Load or Warner Brothers. So I was just driving down p two days ago and I was driving right by where the Beach Club was and I couldn't find it. I was looking, like I thought, I wondered it hasn't been torn down and rebuilt. I think it was called Back at the Beach. I think it's still there, still there. It's so magical right there, Like when you do drive that that mile right there, I just get flooded with like nineties memories. Yeah, me too,

So should we digg it? Okay, So we're jumping around a but let's talk about Kelly and her dad. Okay, Okay, and I thought, okay, there's a couple of things I want to ask you about. One is, obviously I did love the scene in the peach Pit, and I thought, oh, when Dylan says she's Kelly says, I don't know whether to laugh or cry, and and Dylan says nobody does. And it's just like, oh, like that's why we all fell in love with him so much. He was almost like like he's so hot and sexy and then just

so wise. Yeah, well we get a little we get that peek into where you say, like I would have. I went with Cliff Berman in his pool house and got high for three days, and my mom was coked up, and I'm like, whoa, Yeah, You're like, okay, well, people are dealing with stuff. She was a hot mess. She

was a mess. That was one of my watching that scene act I remember filming that, and I remember preparing for that scene and like getting to that place where Kelly had to be for that scene, and that line was so like impactful on me just as an actress on the you know, just feeling so much like empathy and for this character and loving her so much and her her struggle and I don't know, it just took me right back. Yeah, that was that was heavy stuff. I mean a father that's missing and and a mother

that's coked up. That's I mean that could play today on like the edgiest shows like Euphoria, you know back then it's I can't believe they wrote that stuff. Really. Yeah, that's so interesting to bring that up because a lot of fans right in and talk about the similarities between nine O two O and Euphoria, and it's really true. Like I knew in that moment, like oh wow, like this character has such a past and it's so heavy and she is a completely different person, but like, oh

it all just still is in her in there. Yeah, it was a great scene. I like that scene too. I remember doing it. I remember I remember doing that scene with Luca. Was a good day. Yeah, tell me to tell me more. What do you remember from it? Like, because he obviously plays such an important part in that scene, and it has to be him, it couldn't have been

anyone else. Yeah, because he, like I said, they just have a deeper understanding of each other and from like childhood and the way they were raised in this environment. It's very similar environments. Is this the first time that we see Kelly's troubles with her no show dad. We may have an inkling of it before, but this really, to me was the most like, oh wow, like this is real left up. The dad comes later, yes, and we do get to know who that is and kind

of flush that out a little bit. But yeah, that seemed like I just remember, you know, usually when you're doing an emotional scene like that and you're trying to get your your bearings about you, it's like it takes a lot of focus and concentration and you have to really put yourself in that scenario in your mind. And I just remember every time, because you know, Luk and I had to do that all the time with storyline stuff, and I just remember we goofed around all the time.

We joked around all the time. We were always punching each other and tickling each other and laughing and kicking people like you know, like tripping people, like doing jokes all the time. But then when it came to work like that, we would both just really get quiet and and just be there for each other to like really

work off of. And I love that about him, and and it taught me that, you know, that's that's called, you know, being a good scene partner, you know, being just as an invested in what the other actors going through as you know, as as he was in that moment. It just was so helpful and it really taught me a lot about like professionalism and doing scenes like that. You know. Wow, Yeah, David, you remember about Luke, like

just as a person, that he was just that guy. Honestly, when I walked on the set the first day, I pulled up to the beach and I heard him go, you know, Lasher get over here, and literally walked me through, introducing me to everyone, like from day one. I I guess he knew I I called him that I got the show. But he was, like Jenny was saying, just very generous, very grateful and giving. And yeah, it's it's sad to talk about him. I gotta say, it's like,

I honestly can't. I can't believe that he's gone. But he was everything Jenny was saying for sure. Yeah, I think that's why Dylan. There's so much of him in Dylan, because just like for me, Dylan is the hero of the group and just how of course it's Dylan and there he is to save her and in such a and in such a beautiful way, like he's not just like you know, like bossy about it or like that guy,

he's so tender he holds her hand through it. Yeah, And I also appreciate the way they're like they can even in those you know, dark like emotional ful moments, they're still joking with each other and there's still that little glimmer of like flirtation and only you understand me the way I understand you, you know. Yeah, is it harder to do that scene in the peach fit boats such like it's such an emotional scene and then like they're in like a Hamburger joint. But well, I think

it was a slow night. It was a slow night speech pit, so a lot of people are in their crying over their French fries. Can we go backwards and talk about Sioux Scanlin, like come on? Yeah, so that they are trying super hard. So David, okay, so we

have learned. And I don't know if you knew about this, but the rumor the something is that as these main kids were supposed to be going off to college, there was the idea that the Nikki character and the Sioux Scanlin character and Brian Austin Green would continue at really would be the stars of the show. Oh my god, that would have been a disaster. Sorry, no offense anyone else. David's not in favor of that. That girl look kept like fawning over Brian, right. It was like, so I

think they were sort of like attempting. I don't know we're making that, but this is what we kind of understand is that they were sort of attempting to grow these characters. And for me, Nikki is really working, like she really works, whereas just Scanling's all flirty and handsy and like um so forward everything about it, her clothes or makeup, it's just the whole character was like you don't know what you're missing. You don't know what you're missing,

Like what fifteen year old? First of all, yeah, well who says that? But I kind of liked it that she said that because I was like a go girl,

know you're worth I like that. It's just one of those ones when you know, like grown adults are writing these things because you're like, no, fifty a year old has like like gum should I don't know that's a very Gramma word, but gum shouldn't to like be all flirty with David Silver, who we know dates Donna and then like grabbing him in the locker room, like the just coming up behind him, putting her hands on his shoulders and like grubbing them or was like, I don't

like that. I don't want to see that. Wait, so okay, I don't want to know for both of you, when you watch it it, does it take you back to being young or now? As parents? Do you watch it like, oh god, like if my kid did that? Do you know what I mean? Like, do you watch it totally differently now than when you experienced it? Then? I guess yeah. I mean I just watch it so subjectively now as a fan like it, So I'm not really watching it as a parent a lot of the time because it

doesn't really strike that chord with me. But yeah, but like I just I just I can't believe what I'm saying. I did see like the like the scene when Kelly and Donner were sitting at the peach pick counter I think it was, and they're joking about Sue Scanlon and

Donna's like, oh, she's totally learning with him. I just thought this is a perfect Kelly Donner moment like, this is these two girls just being you know, girls, and their chemistry is so great and you could I could just feel that friendship and it made me a miss Tory. I missed her I wanted to do. Yeah. Yeah, they do feel authentic. So David, when you're watching it back last night, like when you're not in the specifics of it, just like as a whole, what kind of like takeaway

do you get rewatching it? I get? I get really nostalgic. Uh. It takes me right back to that time period. I feel like I'm you know, twenty three again when I'm watching it. But then I'm also appreciating what the show was and what it had to offer and how like we talked about how bold the writing was between the cast, you know, Luke and Jenny. In that scene, I was like,

whoa this is? You know, whatever happened with their relationship, their connections between their family issues and their their issues with their fathers was more important than any you know, sexual whatever was going on. And it was just really I was able to really appreciate the show and understand as an adult why it wasn't just uh, I don't know what was the show at the time. Why why it wasn't saved by the bell and why uh you know what it became it was really freaking good. You

gave me do Stempsy because it's so true. I mean that honestly, I feel like that while the show was like a huge success worldwide, why instant fame? Instant? Like we're like the show and viral before there was a viral, you know what I mean. I don't know how it spread so quickly to what it to what it did. But like I also over the years have often thought it was overlooked. It was a show, the first show

of it's kind in the nineties. Um then after that came you know, Party of Five and then Felicity, all the shows that were sort of in that same vein. And I remember, you know, people were getting um noticed or recognized for their work. The show was being their shows were being like recognized, you know, in in awards and whatever and all that things, and and and actors

were being given uh parts in other movies. It just felt like oftentimes I felt like the show as a whole and the actors on the show we're sort of well not just stereotyped or Pigeonhole, but just like overlooked, and it was like in this weird time war bubble that was on its own, like it wasn't it wasn't

a part of the rest of the industry. Yeah, it sort of was always put in that lane with the soapy Melrose playsy things and I think Aaron Spelling, I mean, I don't want to speak out of school, but his shows were that Dynasty and or The love Boat, like they were never the Emmy winning you know, those shows. And so even though nine O two one oh may have been more over on another side, it did get looped in as like it's a soap opera, it's a nighttime it's a primetime soap, and you're like, I don't

know if it is. It has those elements, but then that has all these other things do. Yeah, because the writers were doing some great work, the directors were doing great work, the actors were doing great work, and it just was kind of overlooked at times. Yeah, but I don't think awards are nice. But the show was appreciated by the entire world. And and and because it was so good, not just for the soapy aspect of it,

you know, and party of five and Felicity. You know, they bordered on serious melo drama in my opinion, you know, and I love them. I I worked with Scott on White Squad. He's a great actor. But um, I think you know, Jenny, looking back on it, you can see how good the work was, you know. Yeah, there was a lot of good components going on. For sure. One

of them was not uh was dancing though. I think one of the things is like when it hits its moment, like in a Kelly Dylan scene, sprinkled with cheese right in the next minute, like you're like, but and then you ask your skin the pigskin problem, and then you recognize, like how much it annoys me that Andrea calls Brandon Ace every five minutes. Where has more stopped saying Ace?

I just feels so bad for her. With the outfits like the laser and green laser like double breas literally a Halter top jump so lazer, or the fact that Jordan's the character of Jordan who was so well acted by Michael Rawlins but clearly way too old to be a high school student. There's no way that guy was in high school. But I am suspend your disbelief you

are much closer weight. So at the time you were like twenty three, you said, David, Um, Yeah, I was born in seventy two, so but I don't know we were I think we started we shot him ninety nine four, so yeah, I was like two years old. When you guys are close in age, right close in age? When when is your birthday this month? April? I'm April to April three. I just heard fit I'm telling about happy birthday? Thank you. How does it feel? How does I just

just say it? How does fifty feel? I'm knocking on the door? It feels weird. It feels amazing. Now that I'm I'm I am fifty. Like the lead up to fifty, the week right before, man always getting some head trips happening, like there's a lot of stuff happening in the brain of mine. And but now that I'm here, I'm like, oh, all right, I kind of like this, Like I can I see a new UM chapter presenting itself, and that's exciting.

For the first time in a while, I like it. David, are you weirded out or is a guy like less weird about I don't know. I don't want to make a girl guy. But you know, I know I feel I feel a lot like Jenny said, let's lead up to it. You know, my wife's planning big party. I don't want any of it. Me. You turn fifty and then look back and go, oh, that wasn't so bad, and be where Jenny is. We really noticed. Yeah, my daughters threw a big party for me too, and I

was dreading it. Yeah, showing me like logos for the hat last night. I was, oh, yeah, it's gonna be hats making you like vomit. You're like the logos says uh fifty and then dot dot dot on the d L. My friends called me DL. It's it's exactly what you said. The lead up messes with your head. It does well. At least you have a nice wife. It's making you a hat. She is, she's the best intentions. You need to send us the hat by the way. Okay, you got it, Okay, so back to it. Okay, So we'll

still save the dance for the end. You know, I always love when there's a good men and of an l a thing. So this had a nice spago mentioned, which I thought was great and I and you know, the takeaway was supposed to be like, look at these Beverly Hills kids talking about Spago and this when like literally at a school down the road to teenagers were just shot. And it's like we are supposed to really be clear on, like, come on, West Beverly, get it together.

There's a real world happening. What about the moment when um Brandon's paper comes out of the article comes out, and he's standing in the whole way and they cut away to each different group of people saying Brandon, Brandon, Brandon mad. It cracked me up so hard. That wouldn't every no one would be mad. But like cool, we're gonna have more kids here, Like sounds great. We're sick of all the boys here. Let's have more choices, like no kid is Like Steve was really upset, Brenda was pissed. John,

it was terrified. That was a real stopy moment. That could have been like a general hospital exactly. Oh man, that was over the top two And it's like, Mrs you know, Mrs Teasley really had a lot of action in this episode, more than she normally. She had a lot of action, but she didn't do what I wanted her to. She didn't say the things I wanted her to say. She didn't take the stance that I wanted her to take. It felt weird. Yea, it felt weird. It felt weird. It felt weird. It felt felt cost

over dated too. There was some elements where you're like, really, teachers, I don't think you're gonna be handling it this way, and like Gil Gil was she on you? Who can I bring up a line that what is it the editor of the paper, that guy's a teacher, right as a teachers a line? Sorry if my take onf No, I know what you're going to say, and I agree give it. He said that he's hosting the dance because I'm a sucker for girls. In part was so bad.

Students just serving on many levels, not just the underage student weirdness of it, but the choice of being into party shoes. It was like, of all, like why the shoes was what I was curious about? Is that not

the classic that did not age well? Like that was like what I'm surprised that he said that, knowing having had him on the show before and talked about this, I'm surprised that he said that because he was super cautious with that, with what he was willing to do with that character he said and what they wanted him to do. But that line was, yeah, standout, I'll just wait, Jenny, because there just wait. There's a little something coming that I think explains why they sprinkled these lines in and

it will resolve itself. I feel like they're laying the groundwork for something bigger. Yes, yes, because that was awkward And you don't call a teacher gil like I don't even know. I think that's wow, like he always says it, but they really do it just weird. And then I also thought, no teacher is going to cover for a student, like if it really was a sort of dramatic that Brandon went rogue and put this article in the paper, Like the teacher is not going to cover for him.

The teacher would say like, hey, let's I don't think he should be expelled or suspended. But yeah, he went rogue and put this they bo on the computer, and he's also not gonna be like, oh cool, then I'll just peel out now early, like he's going to stay until the article's done proof it put it in the like what kind of teacher is he? The kind of like whatever that is? I gotta go. What did you think about Mr and Mrs Walsh and how they were

handling the situation? Did they did they do anything? Did they? They just were like, worry. That looks pretty normal. I guess it was a little. Yeah. I mean I would personally be very worried if my kids were due to go to the scene of a crime like that and being the same exact you know, seats and the same experience as what had just happened. I would be way

more concerned than old Jim and Cindy were. You know what, I will point out that again with Dylan being they always right for for that character, like I said before, the hero, because he's the one who acknowledges the uh article being spot on, like he said, you know, he said something like it was the right take and this is the right thing. And he says that too. I think Brenda when they're all freaking out, like I think she called Brandon a heinous trader, and he's like, did

you read the article because it's spot on? Like he's always that wise soul, that's Dyllan. Yeah. Um well, I would like to go forward now to the dance because we need to talk about that. Um starting with the mic check moment. Did you guys appreciate that as much as I did? David is doing his mic check and he's like, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, I gotta check check check it in my my Mike, like A couldn't stop. I want to, I want to. I want to Mike

check check check my check my mind. Now from that moving forward, that's the only way I'm going to be able to check my mis Oh my god. It was like so good and just his dancing and just everything about it. He has that sort of Brian Ason green move he does I can't do. It's like like how that guy got booted early on Dancing with the Stars. I will never know, because he actually get some natural flow there. He had some some genuine my groove and

his step it was natural. Yeah. I think with when he was at Dancing with the Stars, I think it was too like you know, regiment, like step by step and he felt a little I don't even know. I haven't talked to him, but from watching it. I only watched one of his dances, but it felt like he was too constrained and too like nervous and under the gun of like doing the steps exactly right, because he's more of like a free form kind of you know, dancer, Like I want to see him on in that environment.

I want to see him anything that you keep playing, keep playing David, like if that was where it got to him of nine O two and oe like music will save the day, music will bring him together, and it does. And then NICKI see that Nicky out of nowhere. All solve it like wanta dance. But before that, she's like, did you hear her line say, guess Who's coming to dinner? Oh god? That was cringe e too. Who was that actress? By the way, Dana Baron. She's from Vacation remember the

original She's Audrey from Vacation. My goodness, so memorable. Yeah, the guest is coming to dinner line, like obviously I get it, but it was just like, yeah, like that was weird. That was weird. Yeah, I didn't like it. I didn't know the movie referencing the movie Guess Who's coming to dinner? And it's like, wasn't it I can't say Potier And it was just like, come on, I was hashtag trying too hard? Oh yeah yeah, and then she and then and then what happens to the show

kids coming to the dance. Everybody's so scared, securities an alert, and that those kids did the unimaginable. They danced to David Silver's music. I never saw that coming. Was that the electric slide? What dance was? Okay, go let's take Let's go back to that moment in time, because I remember the scene. I remember, I remember Brenda's outfit with

the boots and the white dress. I remember Donna's hair and her outfit, and I remember Kelly was kind of like out of place because she was dressed like fancy and they had us all pairing off to do that that those dance moves I am not good on in aligned dance environment, Like and know what you saw there with Kelly like goofing off and being like, I don't know what I'm doing. That was actually stand out bad one for Andrea. Oh yeah, sorry gap that she tried

so hard. She tried so hard. But Donna and Donna and Brenda were really the stars of the whole shuffle uh line dance there. It was really tory. Actually, I'm superum. That was really I really want to talk to her about those dance moves. But before that even when she starts dancing with the guy, like they bring them out into the dance word, She's like like she got that move? Like, what is that move? Jenny? Is there anything harder than fake dancing? To some playback? No, was everybody watching you

in a quiet gym where no one's saying that's the worst? Wait? You guys, explain that because I'm just learning about this. So when you do scenes like that, is there no

news sick or where's the music? No? Usually they'll QUE playback and it'll be completely unrelated songs that Q playback explain that don't play music, but no one else is dancing and no one else is talking, and the cameras on you just doing horrifying Yeah, like, hopefully there's a choreographer you know that like at least gives you something. I feel like, Wait, so you might have to be dancing on your zoom in. You might have to be dancing alone. You never know. Oh, certainly not in a loud,

crowded party. It's silent and you're even like if you're like I know with Kelly's she was in like a three shot of her and some people. I didn't know that these are actually like background actors and be just trying to stand. But I think that choreographed. That was choreographed by Tori and Shannon if I were a called correctly, because they were into that shuffle slide whatever that was, and they were really good at it. But I think that they choreographed that for the whole scene for everybody.

That's how that happened. People were doing that at the time. I remember going, I don't know weddings or parties or whatever I've seen that day, but maybe I just knew it from nine o two one. Oh. I tried so hard to do it and I have never been able to do it. It's embarrassing. I can't do the shuffle. But it brought the schools together. That's all that really mattered. And and then and in doing so always well yeah, and then it was tied up with a nice little

nine oh wait before we go, you guys. The other thing that totally took me back. And I don't know if you have to tell me your kids, Okay, so when because we're all the same age, So at the eighth grade dance or the prom or whatever like that is how you slow dance back then? Remember you just like the girl would put her arms around the boy neck and then the boy would like have their arms around the hips, and that it was just that just rocking back and forth. Like is that how kids do

that now? I think that I want to believe that that that's yes, I think it's all they do it to dance. I don't think they do that. But it was alive and well, no, there's a lot more body contact now and there's a there's like a back to front position that's very popular with the kids. These back to like you know, like what is but into the guy? I don't like that, like they yeah, is slow dancing even around anymore? Like I feel like at proms do

they play my kid? My daughter went to homecoming this year and she was so bummed because she this was like her first big school dance experience and she wanted it to be like she'd seen it in the movies. But that nobody slow danced and they all just like mosh pit. That's what my niece said. They just a

pit together. Sounds fun. I think this went out with the nineties, as much as I hate to admit it, because that was like remember back in the day, that was like, oh my God, Tommy asked me to slow dance like leap like that was like a big deal. Remember the Stairway to Heaven? Do you guys remember Stairway

to Heaven? You if you got stuck with the wrong person on Stairway to Heaven, you were posed because it's like a nine minute song and then it has that like fast part and you're like, oh, you have to do both. So and so just asked me to dance and it stair what it Heaven? Yeah, you need two different you need two different dances for that song because then it gets fast and so onward. Okay, let's go, let's take a little moment, Let's take a breather, and

we come back. We'll talk about some other things. Okay, Amy, did you have favorite fashion? David? He didn't know what he's getting himself into. I just email and was like, hey, can you do me a favorite? And he's like, oh god, I didn't realize that. Just this like girl chat, let it fly. I will say the outfit and you all tell me what you thought. Andrea Green green blazer, David, your character was just kind of like a plaid shirt wearing.

He was very color blocky. Yeah, it was not bad. Yeah, but I'm looking at this photo next to and oh he's wearing like a Bill Cosby. I'm not the same thing. Like God, we've we've told Ian, We're like, why did they dress you so bad? And he's like, my god, he think he looks like always like vintage clothes from Libra totally. And same with Jason Slash Brandon. He always looks. He always brings the like slightly weird button ups into play, like there's a lot of pattern going on, maybe some

velvet disaster. What did you think of David Silver's leopard with I believe I have a Leopard blazer somewhere, like, but I almost wanted to wear today. He was full Leopard sequence. I mean obviously took it off, thank god. Kelly was like, yeah, I don't think that's a good idea, did you Okay? So then the other one that stood out, I think it was a jumpsuit. Kelly wore a halter top jumpsuit, like it was very sexy for a high schooler. Yes,

for band band auditions, it was really good. It was very Kelly too, Like I felt like Kelly's close this episode, We're perfect Kelly clothes. Yes, once again. We had the dressing room scene that's totally darculous with the doors where the heads stick out. I'm like, why didn't they just put the camera like make normal dressing rooms and then just like put a camera in there as each of you talked. But instead it was like a because they

didn't want to show our bodies. The way to have us continue the scene but not be nakey on camera so awkward, and it's all one to three they're like numbered yeah, but at least this time it wasn't like the little outfits like remember the last one was so bad, although cut out. Donna's outfit crushed like that black dress was awesome. I remember Brenda's outfit white. When we were shooting,

I remember thinking, oh, that's very provocative. I don't yes, I thought so too, especially when Mrs Walsh was like, you look great, honey, and I can see you're wearing a bra and a see throw top over it in a very short skirt. I would be like, go change. That was I the only one worried during the dance.

I'm like, oh, don't bend over. That move is rough, Like you think the clothes were provocative for today though, well, I mean, I I my daughter has friends that go out in a bra and I can't even believe it. I was like, if you ever, if you ever do that? Or did they post on social media wearing that stuff? Here's the yeah. I just my kid went to see Billie Eilish the other night, which she had the best time, but her she had a corset. She's fifteen and a half.

She didn't get dressed at my house. By the way, she had a corset on, which was cute, I mean, and her little friend had a little matching corset. And then they had their dickies. But their dickies are now rolled down at the top, like the zippers slightly open, and then they roll the bottom so it's like lower again. Why am I like blanking? What is It's like the mechanic pants, you know, the work pants. Okay, okay, so they've low waist is back, which I'm actually happy about.

But they're going a little low. But what do you guys do? She said? Moment the craziest thing happened. I was dancing was the best time. I was laughing at crying and screaming, and then I noticed both my boobs were out. No, I was like, I don't want to hear this. Oh no, not to switch it. But Donna did have a super cute crop top, which I thought, how does she get her tummy that? Tan? That's my question.

First of all, tor like it was so rock and I remember the guys We've talked about this before, but Luke Jason, they used to come up and put their hands around her waist like this, like both hands around. They could touch their hands together around her waist. Yeah, and that was like the party trick. That was like

the like tour to come here. Let me see. I'd have to give winning always to to Brandon and Dylan, and then I think you and Tory won the fashion of the episode, even though Shannon's white was pretty iconic, but it was I would give it to the two of you, and always missrs Walsh is the worst. They just oh god, she can't. She cannot win in any kind of fashion contest ever. So we talked a little bit about lines, like one of my favorite lines was the Kelly line about Cliff Burman in a pool else

that was a great line. Did you guys have any other standout lines that you loved? Nobody does that when you say I don't know whether the Africa nobody does to me that just I put star Star Star Star, Star Star Star. That was a good one. Now, yeah, that one hit me too, but I'm gonna stick with I'm a sucker for girls and party shoes. It's I've never heard that before. You're a troublemaker, David Lasher. I also thought, okay, wait before we go, I'm sorry, I'm

getting sidetracked. But all of a sudden, Brandon and Steve are besties with the football guys. When like literally punch Steve in the face like two episodes ago, I was very like, why are all the guys to like, why is Brandon in with the jocks? Now into this he wrote an article about us doing steroids and busted all

of us. Right now, you like him and I love Steve on the phone on the like cord phone in the peach pick getting the scores, like it was just like that was like, oh my god, was this pretty cell phone? Yeah? Like in ninety two, this was was

this did you say ninety two October two? But this was I think we had those big brick phones because I do vividly remember being shooting the beach episodes, which we've already been had on uh and having like an emergency phone call or like, uh something like the phone brought out to you on set and it was that big giant brick with the antenna. Yeah, I had the ones in the car like so in the car. It was stuck in the car, like and then your dad would scream at you and go, why is this bill

five hundred dollars? Like, sorry, Dad, I don't know. Because there was no unlimited calling. She had that weird contraption. I know we have to go, so I let of them go. But you know what we used to get so busted four back then too, calling four one one. Do you guys remember four one one? And you're like, formation can I get the number for a round ta well?

And then you're like can you connect me? And like it's an extra quarter and you're like that's cool, and you're I don't care, I'm not paying it four one one. Use the phone book, and you know, it's so fun to catch up and it's fun to uh watch the episode and talk about it with you and mix it up a little bit. Thank you David for doing this. Oh anytime. I had really the best memories working with you guys, So thanks for having me. Yeah, David, you're the sweetest. And if I may say, you have an

aged a day, not a day good. Looks exactly all the same on the d L. But he's got I'm sending you the hats. Thank you for the compliment. And I'd say the same about you guys that we got it. We got all going for us. So the next episode everybody is Season three, episode eleven. A presumption of innocence looks to meet something serious. Oh I know what it is. Oh my god, Sorry, it's so scandling to me. I know what it is. I think it might be so scandling. I'm excited. Its Gil. Get rid of him. I hope

something bad happens. Bye bye Gil. Alright, so weird. If I just keep watching the show, I'm gonna join the part. I'm gonna listen to the podcast. Two guys, you keep doing it. It's fun. We're having a great time, all right. Everybody have a good week. That's all I got to say. Bye, guys. You guys are the best. I