How Do You Talk to an Angel?

It's nine O gen one oengine with Jenny Garth and Tory spelling. Hello everybody, We are back with another nine O two on OMG recap episode Yeah on baby, you've waited for us. We appreciate it. But we are here now and we have so much to talk about.

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This is episode season five, Episode five, rave On, aired October fifth, nineteen ninety four.

Synopsis. Kelly's suspicions about Valerie turn out to be true. Steve Launch is a club to try to save the peach prit. Dylan developed sticky fingers. Donna sets her eyes on Rayproo. If he's here, one ta his mama couldn't afford too. David is feeling a little jelly, and Jesse is feeling a little frisky.

Directed by David Semel, written by Larry Mullin.

You got can I just right off of that, I've never smoked pot in my life. I have never smoke pot in my life, So you can take this. They are acting like she is a crackhead, do you know what I mean? Like they are the pot.

She was smoking pot.

It was not a thing that people did anywhere legally.

Oh, it's so true. It was a different time, but like it is.

Nine on two one ol, so we're getting like juicier but still like, oh keep it's safe, like it's pot.

Kelly says basic Brandon. Valeries a pothead.

It rereaked, It rereaked.

She's so concerned about it. And I was thinking she's like she's been exposed to a lot of drugs because of her upbringing with her mom and all the addictions she's around by, you know, like I didn't think it felt right for Kelly to be the one that had a real problem with it.

Well, my flag on the play was, look, I don't, like I said, I've never smoked pot in my life. Valerie's pot problem seems to be really stirring everyone up. Yet Dylan is a falling down, drunk, drunk mess mess and valeriees just okay, like oh let's make out, And I'm like, are you what is happening? If I was what?

Plus I've happened to smell the smoke from a Marriorji Wanna cigarette, one of them funny cigarettes before, and uh, you can smell it a mile away totally. It smells like a ch smell. She's smoking it in her window and thinking it's not like on her breath, like, of course people are gonna smell that.

She's like, I would never smoke it in the house, mind you, she's like in the window. I did laugh at the incense though, it's so you, Jenny, the incense.

That little pot, a little Genie pot of incense. Insert But I don't know.

I'm sorry you guys. Did she the pot whatever?

What?

Sorry, I don't know, but you could tell I don't smoke pot on the windowsill. Did she put it out there?

Yes, she snubbed it out. She snubved it out on the side of the wall shouse.

I'm sorry, she say, my mom's incense. She's I'm a boomer. Wait what boomer?

She called herself a boomer, which is what we call ourselves because we don't know how to have the computer.

We're not boomers, we're jen x.

What is a boomer?

A boomer is the generation before us, the baby boomers, boomers, That's what I assumed. She meant.

Oh, I love that movie with Diane Keaton Baby Food amazing.

I've never seen that.

Love it. You would love it so good?

I love I know you have to see that one.

You would love it.

He's right, that's a baby. That's because she's having a baby. She's not a boomer, yes, but it's still a random ref Like I don't get it, but I don't know. So anyway, the pot thing, she's just so bad.

You know, let's just keep talking about Valerie and Dylan for a second or that that whole side of the storyline. I just I feel like when I see them together upsets me because they're not right for each other. They're not good for each other, and he's really going down a bad, bad road and she's helping him, and it bothers me so much. Like I don't even want to watch it.

But they're so hot together.

God, you think they have their You guys like their I like their makeups scene, Sorry you do? Yeah?

Like I sort of like her with Steve better something I know, unpopular.

You like Steve the most, You want him to be better, and he wants to be with her. Clearly he said, uh something about I don't get with this girl.

That was so gross. That was so gross.

Fool references in this one were next level funny. I thought they were funny, you know me, I like that the kids are older now, Yeah.

Toy I agree with you completely. They were funny. We'll go they were funny. They were they were clever and funny, but it was like, oh, what show am I watching? There were a lot of like adult innuendos. Yes, and like I said, they weren't as cheesy as some of the Valerie Dylan stuff. They were a little bit more.

It's getting to be the more the real humor of the cast in real life and getting comfortable and just throwing in zingers.

Yes, that's so interesting you say that, because that that kind of is landing on me, because when you guys tell me stories of how y'all were, that is sort of more incorporated. That's great, great, Yeah, a great sort of note. I think you're right, And this did feel some of the lines, especially with the boys, felt like how they probably were talking to each other her in real life.

Right, definitely, Yeah.

But yeah, I do not like Dylan and Valerie. It's he's too mean. He's so mean mean, she's everybody.

He's mean to everybody. I don't know how he gets away with that, Like he's mean to Steve.

He's so mean, And I guess we're supposed to be interpret as he's a mean drunk, like I guess, so why would you come over here without calling? And then she just is like so sexual about it.

But she rolls with it. She's clever.

It's like, yeah, she's a crafty character, very crafty and kind of cunning.

Honey, Yeah, that's a good word. But to me, if she's such a strong woman who owns her everything, right, she owns her power, she owns her sexuality, I would never put up with a guy talking to me like that, do you know what I'm saying.

That's a good point. But she's just trying to get something out of him, like she has a motive. Yeah, so she's not gonna think stop her, And.

She is smart. She's the only one who's figured out he doesn't have money. She's like, he doesn't behave like someone with money. He behaves like somebody who needs money. And she's the only one who's figuring out what's going on with him. But yet she still like triples down and like wants to be with this guy who treats her like dog poopoo.

Because he's good in the sack.

But she's aware of it. It's it's different and she's doing it. It's not desperate it's not. It's it's a clever I feel like she knows what she's getting. She doesn't want more than that, and so she's like, I'm fine with this. This is the way it is. I can accept this challenge. Let's do it, and we'll challenge. I think she is like they're.

On the same like devious path, you know, so you like to hang out. People liked it when they're you know, being bad. They like to hang out with other people that are being bad.

Yeah. I thought there was an interesting sort of situation with Kelly and Donna in this episode in that Donna, to me, is usually the one who's always right right like she is, she always kind of gets it, She's got people figured out. She's usually right, and in this case, Kelly actually is right about Valerie, but people sort of think she's being mean. Like Donna's like I like her, you know, seeing the best in her. Yeah.

I think Kelly's usually the one that's like kind of like what Donna said, like you always think the worst of people. She doesn't think the worst of people. She just questions people's motives. I think more than maybe she should or maybe than other characters. But Kelly is right about her, but Donna's usually right about like other things. But I think Kelly has a good sense of people's true nature, Like she feels like I feel like she knows what she's dealing with.

And I feel like when Donna starts to hang out with her more, she doesn't really know her yet. That's when Donna usually can see what's going on, and she hasn't. That's true, you've seen her more.

And I don't use the most overly used psychological phrase gaslighting, but like that was some aggressive gas lighting their valerie. When she's fully making out with Dylan, Kelly fully sees it. And then they come out of the peach pit and she literally trying to some kind.

Of about Yeah, like that didn't happen.

No, he like made a move on me, And I mean I had no choice. What, Yeah, you could have not?

Yeah?

What in the actual what? Like there were so many things in this episode where I'm just like, oh my god, I don't.

Remember in real life when we were filming this, I do not remember Dylan ever owning the peach pit. H oh really for me, it doesn't track at all.

It was from when the brother wanted to sell it, when Nat had his heart attack. Yeah, yeah, and Dylan came in.

Yeah, but like I don't I don't remember that ever happening.

Oh really?

And what I don't remember a rave in the peach pit either, Like what was that like? And what were those drinks that months was serving? Yea, who thought of that? Was that? Non alcoholic?

And then there was like a tray of shots that got crashed into and everyone's stepping in the glass, which made me so uncomfortable. I was like, oh my god, they're just stepping in all that gloss.

It honestly was the lamest rave I've ever seen.

My thing is just the peach pit with the old records on the wall and the juke box. Like when you kind of look at it, you're like, how campy just weirdo is this place?

Yeah? I can't imagine a rave being there.

How about the earthquake references? You guys, multiple earthquake references? So when what is the date of this episode before? And when was the quake? I know, we're right it.

Had before ninety four? Ninety four was quake?

Right?

And then this episode airs, so yeah, like they really were working in the references because because Ray Pruitt is doing retrofitting Ray prew It, Enter Ray prew It.

Ah, he's kind of Studley. I'm so hilarious, And Donna says, can you just take your shirt off?

Scry What did you think watching those scenes?

It was so funny watching it because I guess at the time, you know, we were all so in that world. I wasn't thinking about it, but like going back and looking at it as a fan, I was like, oh my god, he was like huge at that time because of.

What he was on the show before or two or not. Is that why he was known?

I thought this got him known.

You guys know he became famous in a movie with John Travolta where he's saying in it, sorry, no way.

Oh wait, let me look it up. Okay, keep going and I'll get you the name something.

He was faf. He got famous for that movie. And then my dad nabbed him up for The Heights. That's right, yep, And then that was a fox. When that didn't out shout was huge out he was became major. Then he was Withdrew Barrymore, that was a deal. He was on the cover of Max. He was he was huge, and then The Heights so.

Was the Heights before this or after this.

He was on The Heights before this. When it got canceled after one season, my dad said, this guy's major, Like I want to use him again. So he actually, if I got this right, wrote the song how do You Talk to an Angel? And yeah, that's right, and then he transitioned it into nine o two one ol.

So okay, and I don't want to say the wrong thing, Tori, so you tell me. So this guy does shout and he's like blown up that he does on The Heights. Then he has this huge song. Then he comes on nine oh two on oh and they write this whack character and it kind of wrecked his career.

That's right.

Oh my god, that's sort of a bummer.

You really how it went sort of like that's a huge bummer. Wait.

Yeah, so The Heights was in nineteen ninety two, it got can't tory, way to go? You had this exactly right. So then he comes on nine oh two one oh in ninety four to ninety six. Yeah, and then yeah, like you guys, I don't want to be back like nothing. So he he was on to Serve and Protect two episodes, The Mumbo Jumbo Dead Last and bh nine oh two one oh, Like this is kind of an interesting sort of like if we were doing nine oh two one oh university like study. This guy had a great career

Didn't kind of going out. If you talk to him about that, he was able to kind of go down that line of being self deprecating and kind of acknowledging that.

I mean, my goodness, Like, I actually want to talk about this for a sec because it's like I needed to strike to end so we can have him on. Maybe he'd come on anyway if he's not really working. Actually he is.

He full works, he has a career, he's an EMT.

He's I'm saying, he's not in sad. If he's not in sad, he can come on with us now, Lorraine. Let's ask him and see if he come on now, because he's not he wouldn't be like, there's no issue. He's not in the union.

So I'll tell you exactly how it went.

That's actually good, crazy.

Huge music career obviously outside of being an actor as well. Obviously they didn't do it on purpose. They loved him and they wanted to redeem him. Ultimately, he was supposed to stay on.

Oh my god, and the fans just would not do it.

Fans went, so, I mean, I'll let man, it's his story to share. But well but we can't, I mean, because it's public. But yeah, aggressive. They would come up to him in the streets and like you push Darnie down the stairs, they would I think someone hit him.

Oh, oh my god. So here's my question for you two. I think obviously because nine oh two one zero is now at its biggest, We're in season five, so I would argue we'd have to pull the exact ratings, but like, it's still at its height, right. This was huge because it was so huge and because of the fandom was so massive, and we all were blurring. Think about it. People call you guys, Kelly and Donna all the time. It's all blurred. And that's why this poor Jamie Walters

Such a good call that's exactly it.

Oh my god, I sort of want to say bless him, like that sucks.

But if that happened now, people would be like, that's a character that you played a TV show, in a movie. You're very different. You could go on social media and be like this is me. I'm totally I'm a great human. I would never do something like this. But at the time, that was it.

Right right, and it was so huge.

Weren't able to have a real personal voice, Like now you could be like this is me, right, but you couldn't then, Like.

Did everyone think you were a virgin forever? Same kind of thing.

I know, that's so weird. No one ever asked that.

It's kind of personal.

Well, you're one now, you're still one now.

People always thought that I was a boyfriend stealer, like you know, I took Dylan from Brenda.

Which Jenny Jenny was so yeah, but.

That they were mad at me, Jenny, because Kelly took Brenda's boyfriend.

I'm glad Torri gave the timeline because I had it in my mind totally reversed that he was nine o two one oh came first, and that he blew up from nine o two one oh and went on to do the Heights and had the song to really learn that it was the opposite cover.

Of Interview magazine with Drew barrymore too like he was he was, Yeah, he was on the cover. Sorry, I'm sorry. Was there a Rolling Stone shoot with before he was on the show with Jamie Walters, Luke Perry, Jason Priestley and one other guy that was hot and huge in the nineties before nine oh two one oh wearing white T shirts because Jamie.

Here's my question for you guys, knowing the behind the scenes that they wanted him to redeem himself and you know, stay on the show. But how does a character redeem themselves from being like punching and throwing Donna down the stairs like that seems hard to come back from. Yeah, speaking of being ahead of its time, I sort of get that the fans were like, f this guy, How would they have ever loved him? Again?

No, you can't hit Sweet Donna. You can't you can't push Sweet Donna down the stairs.

That's just not no character, especially on Nino two one oh, is going to be able to redeem themselves from that.

I mean, except you would you would think, though, mean because he's an original cast me. I were like, David cheated on Donna the Virgin, like she loved him and did everything in he was redeemable. Yeah, but I don't.

Buy that either.

That's the other thing I was gonna talk about with this episode was like, I find it really amazing but unrealistic that Donna is gonna be totally cool with Claire and David in her apartment.

Jenny have agree, I said.

Guess though, I said, like I would not like it would not be okay, like right, but.

In ye specifically in that I think it was like the editing of Bay or something, when you're like joking about it. Yeah, Like I was like.

I don't buy that, dude, me either. That does not track because I was in a sorority and I remember girls in the living room basically like having major problems because one girl was dating somebody that one girl in the sorority dated two years earlier, and you're just like what and they would claim there was a lot of claiming, Oh I claimed him? Huh So yeah, that did not track for me. I was like, she would be so hurt by her roommate kissing the like it's not a

What and they're still pining for each other, Like you see him looking at you with the other guys, and you notice him with other girls. But yeah, because it's Claire your friend, I mean, you try to be okay. I don't know. I mean maybe that kind of Donna's so so sweet that maybe that what she would have wanted to be, like, look, you're my friend and I want you to be happy or whatever.

But I don't know, I just didn't. You're right, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Track and Griffin on Griffin Stone.

I feel it's gonna happen with Griffin. Are you gonna dump him for rape Root?

Well, it's so weird to see this because at the time I had told you, guys, in real life, Casper and I liked him, Yeah, I mean it wasn't like fullible and dating, like we liked each other but then had something. But then enter Jamie Walters.

So hot, like.

I had those real feelings in real life, like, oh my god, who which one of these guys?

Yeah, So basically Donna in this episode has three guys. It was showing like cross the paths right now, I.

Wish we could have thrown DeShawn back in there and had four. You know, it's so funny, Toy. The nineteen ninety for me was way more into Ray Pruitt. The twenty twenty three me is way more into Griffin. I'm like, what is going on? Why is she even into Ray Pruitt versus agreed, but me back then, back then, I was a Jamie Walters.

Fan like Donna Tory totally would be Ray over.

But I thought he was a construction worker, you guys. And then he's playing the guitar.

He is a construction worker that is a musician.

On the drop.

During a break, Jenny, he brings his guitar. Speaking of though, I thought what Claire and Donna were doing was really not.

Cool, not cool. I thought you meant like the editing the first part. Sorry, sorry, not what they were doing.

I did not like it either, that they were tricking the guys.

It was yucky.

And I'm not gonna lie when when Ray Pruitt said, is that some kind of rich bitch thing? It was so triggering for me, as Tory spelling from being thinking I'm just a rich bitch like and I was like, is that why they wrote that? Because I had those like fears back then, like every you know, I'm nice, Like Donna was so Tory in this episode.

I actually was just about to say that it was really interesting that you guys said, you know that we talked about how like it is, particularly in this episode. There's a lot of those script things that felt very true to the real life people. I agree that was when I was watching that that was Tory because and then coming around and doing the right thing is Tory slash Donna like going, I don't want to use that clip? You know it was? It was.

I liked it, like go along with him, didn't feel guilty.

Yeah, yeah, the himbo bimbo thing. Come on. But this episode was jam packed because we have not talked about the moment that sort of made me cringe, super cringe. They were really pouring it on thick with Jesse and Andrea being so giggly googly in love, and I just had a pit in my stomach, going.

Yeah that hurt. When when saw Jesse at work. But he's trying to get them too, tell you.

I'm like, he just needs says tips. He's got to do it.

He's working it. But oh god, I felt so bad for her, though.

I did too about Cindy with her couple good eggs or whatever.

She Oh my god, that was uncomfortable. And then I was like, wait, I thought you were older. Oh my gosh, yeah, how old.

She's my She is in her forties at least in the in.

This well, the kids are twenty. She didn't have them at twenty. She's forty five. At least she's gonna be having those hot flashes like me, come on, you can still.

Have a few good eggs at forty five.

I don't know. Actually google it naturally.

I mean, we didn't expect him. But at forty four, I.

Think it just keeps dropping because I googled odds of getting pregnant at forty nine and it's like two percent.

Oh yeah. I had an obgyn come up and be like, I said, all my kids were natural, like we just didn't play in Nick came, and Nick came and she said it was like a less than a five percent chance that I was with him naturally at forty four. Wild. Yeah, So Cindy or Cindy, I don't know, they should have another baby though, Oh Jen, I meant to tell you this. I feel like Valerie on the show. Sorry Kelly, she's

He was flirting with my man.

Yeah, that's why I wanted to bring that up, because not then, but the Jenny now Yeah, looks back and finds Jim Walsh ai an hfd. Yeah, so I thought it made me laugh out loud watching Oh my god, that's the final straw I'm going to go back in time and pick this girl's ass.

So she's moving in on my Jim. Oh my god, hilarious. Well what do you guys read this episode?

Wait, we're done?

No so much.

I think I need a little bit more. I need a little bit more.

You want to talk about my bad haircut? How about that?

Talk about how the hair is getting shorter and shorter?

Why do I have a flippy doo?

Like I'm not like it's almost like a mullet. But you know what, it looks good. Sometimes sometimes that is not an eat haircut. Your face is so beautiful. It's like it's like it's like like an in like your face and it's just this.

Is my haircut from back then. Hold on, it's like a bad shag. It's like a goat. Honestly, it looks like a goat or a weed whacker.

We I think it's bad.

This one. They gets shorter, I think, yeah.

Oh god, I think the shorter is gonna look better than this is like a two tone, like a bi level mullet.

Let's talk about the combat boots on everybody though.

Oh in the Mary Jeans, Mary Jeans are this is when they first started enter Mary Jans and now they're in right now, Oh.

Yeah, you're Mary Jans. But did you see so you were wearing the Mary Jans with the white sox and the baby gull dress with the clip clip clips. Jenny's wearing denim shorts, respect but with combat boots, like real tough boots for the wet T shirt.

So good.

Jeans shorts good.

You know.

Also, that's right Valeries wearing. She's sort of wearing a low cut black top with the jeans and then the combat boots. Again. I mean, it was really the Doc Martin's kind of. I guess they were Doc Martin sort of. This was the Doc Martin era, right. How do you feel about the fashion.

Good, Yeah, good about the fashion mid nineties is way better than early nineties. Let's say that.

Okay before we go, I know we have to write that episode. We do start to get a little bit of like Kelly's got the gift for Erica and you bring up Suzanne and Kevin. We're getting a sprinkle back in that. I'm hoping soon we're going to know he has no money and that he's going to get clean. I'm like pretty sick of you know, the thing that people don't know. It's like, can can we just have the truth come out?

The dreams of Dylan McKay coming soon?

Oh gosh, you're right. I think they are in this season.

He knows.

Those are the weirdest episodes ever.

I got to make out with Luke the dream sequence.

Sorry speak wait wait wait, speaking of making out, you had a kiss in the scene, and I definitely saw tongue. Oh when when Yes, I saw it, I saw that tongue. Yes, they have a big kiss. Ysp mm hm fair yeah, fair, that's all she's got to say.

Yes, My worst fashion moment for me was Dylan's torn shirt. The sleeveless Oh.

Yeah, he loved a sleeveless shirt though, you know, I remember seeing him in shirts with the with the sleeves gone cut off.

That's it.

I would give this episode hmmm, what do you think? A seven?

Oh God, I don't know.

I'm just kind of I didn't like the rave. I didn't like the nine.

Obviously it's a nine.

Giving it a ten, thank you Toys ten because of Ray Perley. Probably you like him.

No, I'm sorry. The Kelly and Dylan and Valerie thing, Kelly and Valerie is like seeing them go head ahead. I'm like there for it. Sorry, it's like girl drama boy drama. Oh my gosh. The whole thing was drama rama and I loved it.

Yeah, Kelly's definitely mad dog about a lot.

I liked how jam packed it was too. I didn't have a moment of like a wasted scene really like, it was just packed full of storylines. Yep, season five is thriving.

People. I like this season. People like it.

I love it so much.

Well, we will be back next week with yet another episode. We will be covering, uh, season five, but so six homecoming?

Maybe Bren is coming home.

You guys from London.

Yeah, it's called homecoming. I don't want to stay this homecoming dance? Do they do that in college?

She's never coming home, Jenny, that doesn't have never comes.

They always come home.

She came for pH nine O two one oh. She didn't come home till then she came. They always come home, homecoming.

Wait, Amy, just tease it a little like, what does that need coming?

Yeah? I actually can't remember why it's called that. I wish I could. I actually don't remember why it's called that. I just know we're getting We're going to get a lot more of the h We're getting a lot more good stuff. I'll say that I get more. I don't want to give too much away.

Yeah, you can patch next pumpkin patch. I remember.

But I know exactly what you're talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. There's a lot of Ray. There's a love triangle. There's a lot of drama.

Okay, wait, there's a love triangle with Ray and Donna, and.

Yeah, she's gonna you guys, don't make me give you, don't make me give things away.

Okay, Okay, my real and real life would happened. It was, Oh my god, wait for it. We'll wait for it next week.

You. Guys love you,