An OMG Bombshell!!

It's nine O gen one Legen with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling.

Hey, everybody, look at look at you, Look at you, looking at you, look at you. Here's me looking at you, looking at you. Amy m's you.

I'm here. My camera's on, but sometimes I have it's boring that I have a couple of different screens on here to two. You might have to scroll your scrull in your hair.

Ye, we are back for another amazing episode of nine O two one. Omg, you guys, and we're so happy to be with you.

Oh my gosh. We should think of like our own thing because I mean another episode. Uh, we're on weekly. We're always back. It's a new episode. They just keep going and going and going.

So what would what would you like to change that too? Our catch cratchphrase?

What do you want to know?

Yeah?

We need something right right? What makes we're back?

I do think it's hilarious that anyone listening that listens to other rewatch podcasts, they're lapping us because most shows have twenty episodes and we're still just.

We are friggin ever last Buddies one of those things with the bad energizer.

Yeah, that one's you can't keep us down. It is actually Jen, that's so true though, right correct, Yes, it's very true.

I mean, if you think about it, you guys did thirty plus episodes a season, so it basically meant you were working year round, going, going.

Going, basically. Yeah, I think we had three months off a year.

And this episode I could see it. I could see the wear and tear on how tired we were starting to show.

I do have an interesting thing on that which I will hold, or I could say now I'll hold for the synopsis and then I will I.

Will also I love you.

Okay, let's do this because this was a good one you guys, and I got a newfound of faith in the show.

I don't know what happened.

Ooh, I liked it.

First of all, I got confused because we were scheduled to do this podcast a couple of days ago, and then we got some scheduling issues so we had to change it.

So I watched it a few days.

Ago, and then we were going to do another one, and then I was like, wait, which episode is?

I got so confused.

Did you rewatch the watch? I did not rewatch it. I just went over my material and then it refreshed me, but.

Talk of it.

This is why we work so well together, were Yin and Yang. She's supremely organized, which I respect I am not so I love like it. Actually, that's like a turn on when you say things like that and then you went over your material.

I'm happy I could turn you on today. Problem Season five, episode nineteen You Guys, Little Monsters aired February first, nineteen ninety five.

And I so want to jump in here and just make this fluid, but I got nothing up, no material on brand. I mean, I guess I could do it from memory.

Want me to do it? What amy to do the synopsis? Yeah, Jenny, you do because we need a drum roll?

Who the director?

You guys?

Can I say it? Guys? Can I just get it? And can I? May? I please do it? You know I love to do my synopsis.

I know you do. It starts with the one that you do not want to speak about synopsis.

Aeriel Hunter is back in Spots Ray as her new prey, but Donna tries to warn him. The Professor Finley loses his tenure battle, but wage's war on poor Brandon. Kelly is asked to prove her devotion Dylan makes amends with Jim Walsh and Valerie wants her money. Honey, no money, no honey.

Directed by James that House, written by Meredith Stein. Should we do some trivia first or should we get.

Into the breakdown? O?

Oh, trivia A little bit, little your Man directed you My Baby, My Baby.

This is so yeah? This this okay? So here's the first trivia.

This is the third and the last episode directed by James Xhouse.

Oh wow, yep.

He directed Strangers in the Night and Truth and Consequences, and this is it.

This is the last one for the whole series or just as because they ship them off to Japan, right.

Yeah, because the parents move away and we do have never seen them.

I know we forgot about that.

We have a rager that last night, No am I?

Oh, go ahead.

Joe and Jamie Walters performs apparently twice in this episode, neither of which I saw.

Nothing and he does.

He sings the first song why and Donna watches him perform at the after Dark, and the second song is called I Know the Game. Do you remember watching him perform either of those songs? No?

Actually, are you shocked?

No?

Those two I do not, So I feel like we should have a sash where we get together and just listen to and watch the originals and see his performance.

I want to performance.

That's a great idea.

Talent Ray prou It performance appreciation episode.

Yeah, sing a lot, how talented he is, even though I can't remember these two songs in the moment, but we'll go through it.

So I have a question if you guys notice this. So this is the first time it really stood out to me that these new.

People, Ray Vows, new people, these.

New people Ray and Valerie are really having scenes without any of the rest of you. I'm sure it's happened a little bit before, but we saw a lot of Valerie with meaning.

Like without a OG cast member.

So it's like.

Valerie's got scenes with just Jonesy, Ray's got scenes with just Aeriel, and we have a Valerie Ray interaction. So I just stood out to me that, Wow, this episode was very filled with these new cast members really becoming.

Opening up some doors.

Yeah, like like real, I don't know what the word is. They're out there on their own without you guys.

Cool, we need a little break. We're tired. That's so true.

But yeah, that sort of it was It didn't bother me.

I enjoyed it, but I did note it that it's like, oh wow, they're really giving these people their own storylines.

Now it's going to keep happening with more and more and more people.

Yeah, yeah, I like it. I am all of a sudden this is my favorite show. I mean, I've kept saying that before. I really love the show, but now that it's honestly it's gotten like a little soapier, I'm so sucked in.

Oh my gosh, wait, I just want to hear her say that again. I'm so sucked in.

Not that part, Oh.

My god it. Oh no, I like.

So what do we think of this part?

Usually you do not like it?

So I know I've changed my ways. People, what do you Okay?

So do you want to start with Ray or Valerie?

Let's just start the top because I love.

This amazing what we're provided with, this amazing episode recap that our team does, and I have never really fully appreciated it until I went through it last night. It's so freaking good. So let's just kind of do the show like that today.

Can we do that?

Just?

Yes, guys, Lorraine, did you do this?

Who did this? Lorraine? And Sydney.

I think are doing it.

Lorraine and Sydney. Props to you because you guys are on fuego.

Yes, I can't open it, damn it.

Okay, hold on, yeah, Jenny can just walk us through it starting with value.

Yeah, and then we'll just talking about Okay, So we opened We opened it. Dylan's house, right, he's back from Hawaii. He left Erica with with Iris. I almost said Iris, I mean, can I immediately throw a flag on the play?

Yeah?

What world is it that easy for a child to be removed from her parents? I guess, given to her long lost brother whatevs, and then give a woman who is not her mother, is not a relative in any capacity.

This is ridiculous.

Well, courts are involved. It's just like she just lives in Hawaii with Iris now, and.

I was thinking, oh man, what a commitment, Iris, You're taking a teenage girl on.

Wow. I feel like someone brought that up. There's got there's always someone.

The love child of her ex and a random criminal lady.

Right. I feel like there was someone in the spelling team that was like, uh, hold on, there, like we gotta do this, and my dad was like, nah, no one wants to see that, and Al was.

Just fine with it. Like I understand her mom is a criminal, right, a terrible criminal, but that's still her daughter. And Eric is just gonna be fine. She seemed way too chill.

What else is she gonna do?

And hello, she gets to live in Hawaii with uh free to be you and me like hippie mother like I thought.

Me, yeah, same, She's at the.

Beach every day's complaining, she's thriving, so all right, fine, I'll just roll with it. Valeria asks Dylan for a cup of money since he helped she helped get Erica back.

Yeah. Fair. I was super distracted by her outfit though, and I couldn't listen to a word.

She was tea.

It was not over T shirt.

That one didn't work. I didn't. You didn't like it? Knows it got too sweater best over white tea? Yeah yeah it was. Yeah, but it was a rib tea Like maybe if the texture had been different, I would have been okay with it, but it really bothered me. Very very specific about your tea qualities, okay.

You know.

And she did have some sort of dessert that I thought looked real bad.

Oh.

She she handmade some chocolate covered strawberries, I think, and they looked so bad.

They did look ratchet. Yeah, they did not like the second time they've tried to elude that she's like a di y like baker, right, am I wrong? This is it's true that bitch cannot bake. I'm sorry. But they keep throwing it in there and it's not even well done. So is there a reason, like, oh she truck.

Yeah, maybe it's like a bit because those were not Charter gallery.

Yeah, I don't see that that cake that threw you over the edge because it was leaning. We didn't like that, Halton.

Ferries.

Okay.

Then we go to the peach pit where Brandon shows Andrea the article that he's writing and support of Professor Finley, and Andrea does not agree with what he's doing.

M hm right. I got the vine that she's just like, uh, hey, there are ulterior motives.

Right, Well, she's calling him out saying, the only reason you're doing this is to make Kelly happy.

Yeah, trying to like, you know what about professor. But he's trying to like buoy up her a little bit in a way, like why are you here with me? Like you know this is happening, like Jesse and you're here with me right now, Like, is he trying to throw that back in her face that she like used to be obsessed with him?

Oh, that's interesting, actually, but that's the sort of that's all distraction. Still sprinkle, just sort of that's really a good call out to her because it's a sprinkle that that leads us to what happens in the episode. And you're right, I didn't think of that till you said it right now. He does say that because Jesse's going on the trip, and it is a little illogical that she's like at the peach pit with Brandon when her husband's about to go.

Up a little bit for for tell it? What's that so called foreshadowing? Foreshadowing?

Yeah, yeah, you.

Like foretelling though.

Feeling by later.

Beach House, where Kelly has organized a phone tree in support of Professor Finley. She answers the phone with save Finley and dam are all mad that she can't use the phone.

How did sad that your watch was so loose It was like a bracelet and it was just like flipping all around.

I don't like tight things around my wrists. I'm sorry more, And.

How did you get twenty landlines installed in.

The right like that, I set up headquarters.

There's no phone guy.

Just suddenly you've got many, many phone lines just operating out of the beach house.

Is this is this where Kelly says your favorite line, Amy, use my car phone.

Like Donna desperately needs to call Ray and you literally just say, use my car phone.

It'll be fine, not one of these.

Forty two lines I've mysteriously installed in our homes.

And don't mind all these random strangers in our house.

I believe you had been that interested when we were doing like all our sorority parties, Like I like organizing those parties, and you had no interest in those. But yeah, and you've like made this happen like that.

And she's I really appreciate her organizational skills here.

Yeah, there's some Jenny coming out.

Is it Jenny? Is it Kelly? I don't know who knows?

And Donna had a great song that at first I thought was a top and then I recalled, oh no, that's a dress. It's that cute sort of metallicy silver dress that sort of was a memorable outfit.

Where are you going in this fancy dress? I think she's going to the peach pit after dark.

Yeah, at the time, they were called kimono dresses and they were just coming in. Yes, they used to wear them, like I would say, I don't know, is it the fifties forties, I don't know if they didn't store and then they came in. So yeah, like at Ardvark on Melrose, I used to get them like secretly, like in the late eighties, early nineties. Yeah, you look good, inn't it?

And I think you wear it to the peach pit after dark, which we don't ever get to see.

But I remembered the dress.

So when I saw the episode this time, I was like, oh my god, there's that dress and it imprinted from back in the nineties, I think, as it was like right, very fashion forward, and then I'm assuming possibly became a trend because of nine oh two one oh.

So old school. You remember when like men would get like uh tatted up and they would get like sexy girls like and they would have kimono style dresses on. And that's from oh yeah, way back, like yeah, what was then?

Do it all?

Right?

So now we are back at Dylan's house. Yes, Valerie gets out of bed because apparently the strawberries worked, and she immediately wants her money. Dylan writes her check for ten k, and she thinks that's not enough compared to the millions that he got. Dylan won't budge and Val. He tells Val take it or leave it.

Yeah. I kind of liked that he didn't budge, but he maybe could have done a little more.

What do you think would have been like a correct amount. I mean I would have said, like, let's talk about it. I wouldn't have been like, take it or leave it. Because she really did.

Help him out.

She did.

She did, I think put herself in harms.

Way, say fifty thousand would have.

And probably he got four million because there was eight million and Jonesy got four million.

Fifty grand back then in the nineties.

That's he got four million. Because it doesn't matter. Yeah, she almost died and got bopped in the face.

Okay, okay, Well here's what's really stressing me out. The shot of her pulling up her pants, like it took so long, but she she I was waiting for it. I was like, is she going to do the top button? Because that was her jam right to leave that top button open in the nineties. She did it, She did it.

I did not care for his ever growing Go tea that was growing more and more each.

So it's so sketch because those are in now. And when guys do it like that, I'm like, it's so like do.

Yeah, I'm not into a go tea at all.

No, this is this phrase, you guys, and I'm just going to tell you I'm not into it. Like he saw her, he rocks at Go Tea for more. Now this is the beginning. He's gonna Yeah, he's going to keep going. It's that and then the hair and then the what is it called the mock one button? You guys are talking linen like shirt. He's going to keep wearing this stuff. And this is not when I find him. That's you know, with you.

I don't like that collar and shirt, her coat because she.

Was cold and I think she might borrow his coat or it's her coat, very cute coat. And I always.

Notice when he's saying anything.

So Dylan Luke is a lefty, which really you notice when he's right in the check, which I'm.

Like, I mean going back to the dollar amount. I don't think it has anything to do with what he gets what he got, that's his money. That's besides the right. Truly hired her as an independent hooker, I mean contractor.

And she should be paid the going rate for such.

So I think ten thousand feels low on.

A risk your life. But I'm not going to go fifty k for that. Well, I got to go to Mexico.

I think Jonesy took way too much fifty percent crazy.

Yeah, that's really like, why does Jonesy.

Even need to work anymore?

Jones again should have been paid a smillary a million.

I would have given a million to Jonesy because he came up with the whole plan, and we wouldn't have gotten anything without him. Fifty thousand, maybe a hundred.

A million dollars a million dollars he would have given him, we would have had zero.

Jonesy found them and cocted the plan, knew how to get the money.

There's no money without Jonesy.

Okay, he deserves a lot of money.

I think she deserves more though, but whatever, Oh okay, she's getting the boy too right, So he's like throwing that in like.

Moving back to the peach pit. Now the peach pit after dark, Ariel shows up and David with her new new hairdoo, and David is shocked to see her. Ariel says she wants to meet Ray Pruett. Ray is on the phone with Donna and of course starts misstree dress for not being for not bringing him a clean shirt. Oh yeah, when Ariel invites Ray to meet her boss.

You know, I'm puffing fire Storms. So Harry see you're getting worked up. I'm getting all did you like her new hairdoo? Because I did?

I did.

I just thought, Oh, Ariel, up to your old tricks, all right?

Do you have anything else?

Oh?

Yeah, because raise a little John Mellencamp and a little Joe Cocker.

Oh he likes name. I was like the classic rockers.

Yeah yeah, Harry Dixon at Firestorm Record's gonna love him.

Wait, what about the Is that a real name? Harry Dixon?

Harry Dixon, No, but it sounds very bad, Harry Dixon.

Did you guys notice that you make it your new alias?

When I stayed at a hotel.

If I was famous, I would totally be like put it under Harry Dixon. Ah, she is not going to be an an r REP. She's sort of like, I don't know I'm not her career path is question mark for me.

But why couldn't she be? I don't know, good, question nothing? Why can't she be?

I think she's doing great. She found David and she found Ray. Yeah, let's go to Andrea's house.

It's like working girl, yep, like using her brain and are bot why not?

She's handed all the big stars.

Good for her.

Let's go to Andrea's house where Jesse is going out of town, but Hannah is sick, so Jesse tells Andrea to call her friend Peter the nurse, the doctor.

But not a nurse, he's a resident.

I think, I'm sorry resident, he's a resident And she's like, hmm, maybe I will.

I wrote, uh, and then she immediately calls hello, is doctor Peter Tucker on call?

Oh.

It's a bummer when you go back in time and realize that they kind of set it up for you.

And it was very sort of, it was very lascivious the whole Is that the right word. It's very Yes, it's a very intentional sort of inappropriate behavior.

I like it same, all right?

Is my favorite moment of Okay.

Kenny Kelly runs into Brandon and Cindy huh while she's with Professor Finley and she is super mean to Brandon.

Yes, in front of his mother in his very very very oversized bomber jacket. I like it, very puffy oversized body.

Wait, does Cindy still go to college? There is that?

Because I forgot all about that. I forgot about that, or maybe she just brought him lunch.

No, she's going to school, dude, she's going to class. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, you're a little frosting, like that frostiness from cal cal.

David tells Donna that the A n R Rep Is aerial, and Donna for freaks out.

Donna with a ponytail. I think I wrote Donna with a pone.

I was not like not that. I honestly cringed in my looks this episode. And you know, you, guys, I've worked really hard to like be able to watch this back and not be like, oh, I don't feel good about how I looked in that stuff like that. This episode actually took me out. I was like, oh, well.

Your eyes like puffy, that's natural, that's gonna happen. We can't love the way we look all the time.

Okay, But I was hard I was doing well.

Though, Remind yourself in those moments of criticizing yourself, you're right that you loved think of Yeah.

You looked great in this episode. By the way, you have the iconic dress. What do we think of David telling Donna? I thought, good for you, David.

Oh, now he's gonna be forthcoming with Donna and tell her things.

Yeah, well it's the good point. But I thought, you know what, I think he kind of did do the right thing.

This is really setting up their relationship as best friends and confidants that goes on for a long time before they get back together.

True.

True.

Then at Firestorm Records, Ray in another bomb record there was a sale at the bomber Jacket store for this episode.

Go teas and bomber jackets this.

Episode fashion wise, I'm sorry, it just lost me. I felt like, does someone step in? I don't know. I wasn't m.

Yeah, I wasn't thrilled with it either. There was not a lot of consistency.

I noticed.

It is this where Ariel says, don't make me beg to ray Eh, Yeah, that's not professional.

So I do have that right, don't make me beg. He kind of is turning down her her crap offer, which I also thought begged, doesn't he.

Or is a callback?

I don't know, But is this where he turns down the offer?

Yep?

Does he do that for Donna? Donna?

No, he does it because it was an offer.

And I was impressed by his smarts because he was like, I'm not giving you all the publishing.

Maybe he loves the girl.

First of all, it was very savvy. He very very savvy, and I'm like, Okay, this guy knows what he's doing. He was not going to give up publishing. And it was legit, like that was a legit conversation between these people. And he was like, I don't I'm not so desperate that I'm giving you all the rights to all my songs. Yeah, she clearly did not do since we can't even hear the song.

He's clearly a very good businessman in real.

Life as well. Yeah, So that was it.

That's good.

So so then Dylan goes to Jim's office, right yep, and he asks Jim to be his business manager again not leering.

Oh, I liked him in the suit. And Jim had a computer now on his desk.

Two boys and you were bored.

They were just there.

Whenever you say the words business manager, I'm like, ah, but it's.

Different this time, Jenny. It's not going to be like last time.

Okay, Well, Dylan does tell him that he gave Val thousand dollars, but.

You know, is Jim yeah, because Jim hates him?

Is there?

I'm convinced you happened he does. He doesn't seem to care for her.

No, it's like to it a level, something has hate in his heart for Val. I feel like he just doesn't trust her.

It's which is something that is not even fair. But I don't think it's something that he's even aware of. I don't know there's something more than not trusting because I see Jim when he doesn't trust people, and he's up front, there's something that even like gets She gets under his skin in such a weird way or something else.

That's it. That's also really true.

She gets under his skin and maybe he just is so he doesn't like her behavior. You know, he's a real.

Honest he's got maybe this is boy yeah, and this is and does she can't compare to his Brenda?

I know exactly what it is.

It just hit me.

You guys, because on some level he could never have a girl like that. He's in a very controlled relationship, not on purpose, and he's great, but it's very structured and very and then he's in his business world. So a girl like val is something. It rubs him the wrong way because he wishes he could have a girl like ew. Sorry, I don't know. I'm happy to have conversations about me and Jim. No, it's not real. This isn't real. It's subliminal. I don't think even anyone out.

We're fine to think of you and Jim but not his not daughter.

But not Kelly and Jim.

H true? True? Yeah, what a different show if Jim started having an affair with one of them?

Okay, do you want me to say Tiffany and Jim? Does that work better for you? No? No? Doesn't.

Once again? Can I say one quick thing?

Yes?

Once again?

Because I do read all the comments because I am not the biggest Valerie fan, which why would I be? Because she's lying and conniving, right, they don't think they're like Tiffany and can I just say.

For once and for all, no, you don't need to say it, can I please?

Okay? Okay?

She wants to say it. Let her say it.

Let not only and my friends with Shannon, I am friends with Tiffany.

Yep.

You guys, you just are sagging me like I don't and I it's so fascinating, And I think it's a whole thing about this show, because never if I said I don't like I don't know some other character on TV that I don't like, do I think people would think I don't like the actor.

It's weird because you're coming from a you are a true super fan, and you have very distinct opinions about characters, and that's your right, and that's what makes you a true super fan. And it's very fascinating to me because they're getting out at you about it.

Yep, and change it to the actor.

So I do find that fascinating because I think if I said to you, like, I'm trying to think of another TV show, so I'm watching whatever, I.

Can't wait, can you not say it or are you allowed to do it?

Pretend I'm watching I don't know, I'm watching twenty four, rewatching twenty four and say I was like, I do not like the character of Chloe. By the way, I do love Chloe but say I didn't. I just don't think anyone's gonna think I don't like the actor portraying Chloe.

Yeah, let's go with One Tree Hill. What happens One Tree Hill? So they say I was like, I don't like Brook.

I just don't think anyone's gonna think I don't like the actor that played Brook.

Okay, so this isn't about you. This is about people relating to our show Like that show. The actors, the characters, they all blurt so much that it's just like hold them both their hurts so much.

I mean, I'll speak only for myself, and I know you feel the same way I. Jenny was Kelly. Kelly was Jenny?

Like what?

And that came across through the screen because of the way they wrote to our personalities and to the ease with which we and the comfort we all felt as actors with our characters. So it was so real. I feel the same way like I feel like when I watch it, it's Donna and Tory are the same person.

Yeah, I a thousand percent, but you.

Know it's agree with you.

But it's also a testament to us as well, not just I mean obviously the writers, the producers, and everybody, but the fact that we were able to blend us and the characters and just be comfortable putting it out there.

Yeah, I think our our comfort level with each other and what our characters really shines through.

And that's why People really does well.

And it's so And it's now that you say that, because I get upset when I read the comments because I'm like, I actually and and now I am friends with both of them. I've been I've been friends with Tiffany for a long time and I'm friends with Shannon, and I get like upset reading it because I start to be like, what if Shannon read that and thinks I'm not friends with her? And then I'm like, wait, people, yeah, people remember Amy Sugarman.

Is the producer of not only this podcast, but a number of podcasts on iHeart, and she.

Is like a normal number. Yeah, she's a big wig.

It does not to be about me. It's like, I'm so fascinating.

I get sucked into it too. I'm like, oh my god, they think I don't like Tiffany because I don't like Valerie.

And I'm like falling for it too.

And I think there is something very unique about the show where the actors have melded into the characters, they have become synonymous. And maybe it's because and like it's the same thing with like I don't know, are they friends? People ask me all the time, like are Jenny and Tory best friends? And I'm like, yeah, it's just.

They want to know that it's real they love. Yeah.

I mean I think about like how that affected I'll speak for myself again, me as a human being being melded into a character like that, and then when it was over being like wait, who am I if I'm not Kelly, Like a part of my body just sort of stopped living.

The day that the show ended, you know.

Oh my god, that's such a good way saying.

It just gave me such chills. Like it's it's like gives like what do they say when kids like push them out of the nest, let them flop, I like, you know, go off to college. Like yeah, like when this ended in two thousand, like whoa, we were just like, oh okay, parts just cut off. Yes, you're right by by a part of you was just cut off dead done.

Wow, Okay, okay, who wants to go boot shopping?

Valerie? Oh I thought you were asking me. I'm like, okay, sure, I'd.

Love to No, but Ariel takes Ray to buy some cowboy boots, which is not his dog.

Say it like that, you love cowboy boots.

Yeah, he's more of a like a motorcycle boot guy.

Yeah, he's like a Doc Martin combat booth.

Fine motorcycle.

But who's there, Valerie?

Of all the gin joints on rodeo for walking, they're at the story.

The symbolism you guys walk all over you. These boots are made for walking. Oh yeah.

I also thought her outfit was extraordinarily expensive for the nineties. Nine hundred and sixty five dollars is expensive.

Now was it leather? What was happening? Like a leather blazer?

So she was probably buying what a four thousand dollars outfit?

If it was today, it's like very can't buy me love?

She left it?

Or did she go buy it at that what's that store on the Melrose corner there that we always.

Her white white jacket and can't buy me love?

Fred's Seagull don't spill ready wine, it's gone.

Yeah, she probably bought that at Fred's Siegel.

How about Valerie?

Are putting her claws into another.

Man, don't we all? I was like, oh, man, here we.

Go, here we go another bit of for telling.

Yes, and.

That doesn't mean I don't love Tiffany, but I sure don't like Valerie going on Donna's man like that.

Hello, what do you mean they all take my man? So what is it? It's irrelevant at this point. Kelly does not take your man ever. Ever. Wait, whoa real friend we except in real life?

Remember when you told me, O, my god, what is it?

Oh god, what is it?

You told this story?

Oh my god? What is it? So?

I was leaving to do a movie of the week and I was talking to Tory about who was was cast? Who do I cast as my love interest?

And who did you cast? Mister Peter FATCHELLI? Uh huh, I like a good timeline though, yah yeah uh.

And when I said that, I got an unexpected reaction from you.

Wait, Tori, what did you say?

Cutie? He's a cutie? I said something along the lines and best friend world like however it was and it's not verbatim, Like no, wait, I've been talking to that guy like he likes me, Like, don't don't pick up with him. He's mine, he's mine.

Yes, stop it, stop it, stop it okay, Jen backstory, Okay, so I'm gonna get this wrong.

Stop I won't. So Peter was in a movie for Fox that was really clearly well like a male prostitute. Uh huh, and that was like his first thing and he was getting attention and they had some Fox people come and do this like Charity night and thing, and Peter and I met and we hit it off and I gave him my number and then nothing went after that. And then I remember telling jen like, oh, this guy he's on Fox, like he's really cute, like nice, cool, funny.

So wait, Jenny, Peter was cast opposite you, and that is how you fell in love.

Wait hold on, did you hear right when she said the first time she cast him?

Yeah?

Yeah, I was producing that film and uh.

What Phil, Well, first of all, what movie was it?

Oh God, what was the name of it?

Oh?

Shoot, Like the funny part is is that shit finished?

Were you? How did okay? I know we're doing therapy nine?

Two one.

Oh, but how did you feel when you realize not only did they like each other, but they got married.

Oh and we didn't get married for a long time.

It took four years for that.

I got knocked up, we had a baby.

This is a great question because to be honest, like we flirted, but there was something like and Jen knows this, like if I had wanted to go forward, like I would have returned his call. I would have there was something that didn't mesh for us. But I thought super hawk eye, super like. But there was that like best friend thing like wait, shoot, you could have anyone you want.

And being like, so, remember when you told me stay away from him. I I'm sorry.

This really brings me back.

I'm sorry he's moving in next week, but he's only bringing a TV. Oh my gosh, that's amazing too.

This brings me back to the whole thing.

Of why these characters are so blended with real people, because it is it's all just one big mess of blur.

Oh my god, you know what. It actually wasn't weird with Jen, like it just I don't know why. I am having a flashback right now that I've never remembered the first time. Peter though, however, came to see Jen on set after the movie Rafter and we were back

And I really was an un whatever an affair?

What was it, Randy ninety four?

Unfinished? An unfinished affair? When was what did you call it?

An un filtered affair? And it was an un something?

What year was that?

Like, is this happening right now? Nineteen ninety four? Oh my god, so.

It's all happening right now, So we're telling the story right at the right time.

It's all happening right now. Yep.

Oh yeah, that's a that's a good one from the vault. I was just really glad you weren't mad at me.

I wanted you to be happy first of all, and you came back beaming and glowing, and it was something in you I hadn't seen before. And as a friend, you see that and it's like, ooh, it's worth more than a guy's so sweet. Yeah, fact, wow, Okay, And Jen's not that type, like if it was meant to be, do you know.

What I'm saying? Okay, so we know you know what I mean.

Jenn is never that friend that's ever going to flirt with your man ever? And I go on record here for lewis you should she I am, she would never flirt with your man like you never have to be worried about that. Like girls, you're always like, oh, I don't know, like is there something ever? And we've known each other my friends since we're sixteen and seventeen, and never not once. She's not that tight?

Well, Valerie is.

This is true? Sorry, thank you so much. I'm bringing it all back talking to Ray, so take it away, Ray, Wait, where do we see that?

Donna tells the beach apartment. Yeah, but the beach barmon. Donna tells Ray the Ariel was the reason that she and David broke up, and she tells Ray to give back those boots and stop seeing Ariel, but Ray refuses and says his career is his business and his priority.

Why did I write Donna is cutting? What was she cutting?

She's dead serious about like, no, yeah.

She was, which I thought was an overstep of Donna.

But I liked it. It's one of those times where they do that, and I'm sure I felt super uncomfortable to saying that word.

It was very not Tory like to be like, I will not take this.

Yeah, I don't character both of us.

Yeah, And I thought he made a good point. He's his point was number one. It is his career and he does need to take it seriously. They do kind of buy boots forever everybody, you know, which was I don't know. He was sort of saying they sort of entice their clients dangle a carrot. She was overstepping, but the point was well taken, Like, this is dicey, and you should know how dicey this is.

Yeah.

So Kelly goes to find Brandon uh in the newspaper office I think.

In a good outfit yeah.

And says she's happy with the article that he wrote. But then she gets upset with him because Brandon asks to spend more time with her. So we really feel like the rift is developing between them, sort of like.

Also some foreshadowing because of Finley. What wtf Binley?

WTF?

I know I'm getting a little ahead, but you can't do that. Yeah, because we're doing it new, I like it.

Keep it going. Peach Pit after Dark.

David tries to warn Ray to be careful about Aeryl, and Ray says that Ariel wasn't the only one who burned Donna.

Oh yeah, yeah, mic drop, although I did again like David. David is really doing sort of the right thing, yes, in this episode, and I thought that took some.

Guts because he's done season.

So yeah, yeah, it's very feels very inauthentic to me now because it's out of nowhere for him to be like saying the right thing and thinking about that.

Yeah, but I'm.

Gonna go with it and give him the benefit of the doubt. And yeah, maybe he's grown, which is awesome.

Yeah, sorry, you just said a mic drop there, but that's irrelevant since we can't hear any of the music ever seen. We didn't even hear the mic drops.

And it's like he's just always at the peach pit in our world and after dark, but never actually performing.

Like hmmm, so back of the peach Pit, Donna complains to Claire about Ariel. She also says Kelly is not helpful because all she does is talk Finley Psy Go Babbyl. Claire tells Donna that Finley's days are numbered.

It's like a Babbyl at the wash house.

Dylan is there to have dinner with the Walsh family. Cindy asks I like this.

Yeah.

Cindy asks him if they should be worried about Valerie, and he gives a sort of a this girl, yeah, he gives them calls to be concerned.

Yeah. And this is also where I enjoyed seeing the orange lining in Brandon's very large bomber jacket.

Remember the orange lining in those gym But it was so legit.

That's why I'm like, I don't understand why guys didn't love the fashion. You know what it was the girls did. Maybe well, Donna had a good dress. I did not like the burgundy outfit that Kelly was wearing, but I kept noticing the fashion, the boots, the every Valerie's leather best whatever that.

They stood out. You're right, Yeah, it was very almost a little way but.

Yeah, maybe it wasn't like so on point, but it was definitely fashion centric.

And this is the point where what you were talking about, where Valerie goes to Jonesy's house hotel, Yeah, and asks for money and he says.

That he will pay her if she agrees to.

Work quote with him in the future.

She is just going all over town to get money for this gig she did.

She's got a supporter weed habit double dip.

Oh.

I have a funny weed story about this, but we'll do it later. Jonesy is creepy and not creepy at the same time. For me, I'm like, oh, he's so creepy. Wait, maybe he's nice. He's weird.

Yeah, but there's something like so free about him that's enticing.

Yeah, he's just like when makes it, I'm not going to sleep with you.

So that was real clear.

And then he was sort of like, I wasn't even gonna ask you that, like it's all they do in a little dance. And this is where I noticed, like, Wow, there's not a primary nine O two one Oho actor in this scene.

So does does Galary go on to work for Jonesy?

And is this something we see moving forward? I don't know, or is this just like a conversation that never goes I think the point more is she's got money.

Now, she's got money.

And she's not just a bad baker. She's a clever one. She's clever. She she she she outsmarts, not outsmarts these men, but she definitely knows what to say or when to say and plays accordingly.

Yeah, she's savvy.

How did you get savvy? Savvy is my question. She's born with it. Yeah, she's kind of she's got it dark.

Then you guys would get to see the Andrea Peter thing on, and Andrea says that her heart is beating fast Doctor Tucker and they start kissing.

Oh my god, it was so in public. It was so crazy.

She was gussied up, she was bared for the she was gussied up, and I was like, oh my god, there's a hand I think there was a hand touch and I was just like, oh my god. And then there's a kiss.

It was just yeah, it's too scary. They're just right there at the Equator coffee house.

I do know as I messed up.

I think right before this was actually the scene where Ray's like, I'm not so dumb for the second rate deal.

I apologize I did.

He goes back to the record company says, no, I'm not into that deal.

You guys can't have my publishing rights.

Then we go on to California University University where Professor Finley is talking to the students and he tells that he that he is ready for the meeting tonight.

Okay, big build up there the peach bit.

Ariel barges in on Donna and Ray's lunch and tells Donna to help convince Ray to sign and it's gonna work out.

Ariel correct.

And I liked having them in a scene together saucy when Ray, How was.

That when you guys film that scene?

Were you?

What do you remember the crossover of Donna.

Tory Ariel? Yeah? Isn't it funny what I remember and don't remember? And I remember everything, but when it comes to things that are too like emotional and fun, personal and intimate, I start to Yeah, I'm like, there's a block. That's how PTSD works.

Okay, perfectly put Donna and Ariel in these scenes. Like first of all, this the Limo scene was still kind of scarring, and I think we even got a flashback to it, like that was rough right when oh yeah, flashback because Donna knock knock knocking at the window. And then now we've got this sort of like who wants to sit down at a booth over a tuna melt with the girl that like gave their boyfriend?

Yeah, some kind of an STD crabs I think God say like, yeah, it's virginity and that's something.

I'm sorry, but the Crabs has scarred me, really scarred.

I had never heard of anything like it. I know.

I think I told the story and then when that happened on nine on to and I was like, and I know I couldn't google it, but somehow I must have researched it because I was like, this is something I don't want.

Yeah, and I was right at that age.

I was at the same age, so I was like, if I'm gonna be around boys.

This is something I want to avoid.

So what did I get an encyclopedia out?

I don't know how I read it. I sponsored by RAID, just kidding.

This is also the point where Valorie shows up in her sporty new car and Dylan accuses her of acting like a hooker.

So I couldn't get the math figured out because we know that Dylan only gave her ten thousand dollars. So let's say Jonesy gave her. I mean, even though I saw the money, I think they were hundreds at most, that was only ten thousand dollars maybe twenty?

Right? Just how much was that car? You think? What in the car? She least it? Right? What kind of car was it.

It was some sporty thing, right. I just couldn't do the math. It seems like she's blown all her money on the car, so.

That's her car for out for the whole show, Like this is a VAL's car?

Really, I can't remember. I don't know. It just felt like I thought it was symbolic and making comparison of when men kind of tried to swing their and buy sports cars and like just look like I have big energy, but you really have a small So it felt like that. But it's a female, which I kind of appreciate it.

So yeah, and he does have a big I think so.

And I think you kind of realize and maybe I'm reading into it. Money is super important to Valerie to feel like she's a part of Beverly Hills or that she can hang right, because it's all about the flash, right. She's not taking the money and high tailing it out of there. She's buying the cars, she's buying the clothes, like you know, it's a status, Like I'm going to have this money because now I have status and I'm going to be sure part of this.

And then we finish up at California University again where we.

See professor couldn't even stay on the street face no.

Like California univers Bad. Professor Finley loses his job, but says he will continue teaching people even from his own living room.

If he has to, or his officers bedroom.

Or Kelly ditches Brandon for Finley, and Professor Finley tells Kelly to break up with Brandon because he isn't supportive of the new evolution, and.

She Freudian slash. Finley slipped and said, Dylan and Brandon, did you guys hear that it was hot?

Uh?

So, Yeah, this is where.

I feel like I'm not on board with this because I don't see how Kelly would be brainwashed to ditch Brandon, who she loves, Who's who's just clearly tried to help her with the article and has asked to spend more time with her. Like, how is she so in this? Finley's like web that she That's what they do.

Yes, that's what they do. And may I bring this all back to a story that we told earlier, Jen, what other character did Peter play in a movie?

Oh?

That's recent, right?

He yeah?

Played what's that called cult cult guy?

H Yes, the guy Peter Fatchinelli played him. There's a movie.

There's a doc and there's a movie that was made for TV and scripted. Peter was in it, and Peter was great. I should have seen this coming.

Yeah, escaping the cult.

I believe that he could have been a really good cult leader.

Wait, who are talking about here? Now I'm panicking.

I believe that Peter could have been a really good cult leader in real life. Like he's good at that convincing you, he's a good like.

This is Josie. I need to watch this.

It was Kate. He played Keith Ramier. Keith Ramier.

But how interesting that we're talking about this storyline with you which was done nineteen ninety four.

Whoa and Kathin Oxenburg bringing it all back to the Aaron Stout world. So Katherin Oxenburg narrates the story.

Because it's her daughter was India.

That Katherine Oxenberg was on Dynasty. She played Amanda Carrington. Oh she was a Carrington. She must marry something. Oh she married Adam. I think she married Adam Carrid that's right.

Yeah, but wasn't she at moult Davie when the whole thing Like.

Yeah, that's what I that's why there's some and she is royalty in.

Real life, a real princess. Oh oh, let's bring it all back. Who then went on to marry Casper van Deen. Oh my god, it's like six degrees of nine O two and zero. She married Casper. They went on to have children together, do a reality show, do a real handy show, and then they told them married to a famous princess in real life. And yeah, and her book is great. We know Casper played Oh I just blinked right that preppy expression stone.

Yeah anyway, okay, wow, so hmm that's what they do.

Yeah, okay.

I feel like you guys have just brainwashed me, so I believe you.

But I do think that is the thing that she has been sucked into this guy, and she's which happens in these situations. She's forgetting everything. And then he does what they do, wants her to break up with Brandon.

They isolate you, isolate you from your circle. Hold. She doesn't do this, Oh she does? Oh my god.

Wait why was this episode called Little Monsters? Anybody?

That's why I was.

So confused in the very beginning. I was like, wait, we're going to recap the Monsters. I don't remember watching anything about.

Kids stray before Lady Gaga.

Yeah, I was confused, what could it be? Just throw spitball.

These people are little monsters. I don't know, like Ariel, I don't know.

I Burial vow wonder Andrea Philly. This a little monster juicy. It is such a really juicy.

It's such a ten ten ten ten ten ten. Oh my god, you guys we agree the first time, maybe a second time Dancing with the Stars, perfect score. Wow. Yeah, longest podcast ever. But I really feel like we covered the shot out of this. I feel really good about this. That was it was.

It was Yeah, Well guess what week. We'll be back again.

Next week with another new episode and then next week what is our episode?

Next week? Let me see you let me see the one that's only on DVD. But oh yeah, that's right.

It's a weirdo one.

This is the one.

You guys have to go, uh get your EVD collection out, or or find a weird creepy bootleg like Amy did.

And somebody found their DVD player in the text. Was that you Jenny yeah Ing.

Season five, episode twenty You gotta have heart.

There must be too many songs.

They couldn't even cut them out. Have a great week. You guys, I love you.