A Dramatic Turn (S2, E4 “Anaconda”)

Another week of season two, Beverly Hills, Nina two. No, that's what we're here for, right, It is a big show. Everybody thoughts at the Beach Club Love and the Beach Club episodes. Yes, makes me feel happy, ready for summer. It makes me feel like it makes you feel Hey, you had a birthday this last week. Don't you speak of that? No, we will speak of it because you're older now. There was a second, like maybe a few

weeks a month. I don't know where you were two years younger than me, and I did not like that because it just gives you too much to be happy about. I didn't even realize that because you know, I'm always the first to point out that when you're older than me. So I would have relished in that if I had remembered it. Okay, I glad I didn't remember, like a little more than a month. Darn, that would have been

good to rub that in. Now you're the big four eight, I am, Yeah, And I gotta tell you, forty eight fields a lot worse than because what do you mean worse? Like? Okay, because it's one year closer to the young Voh, if you know what I'm talking about. I know what you're gonna say. One of your clothes are the grave? Uh? Well you looking for I mean forty eight? Who do you know what? That's the thing they always say, Oh, you look so good for forty you look so great

for fifty years. Like what, what does that even imply? You look so good for your age? Yeah? Always they say that. I don't know that. I like that. It's people are being nice, but it sounds like a backhanded compliment, right, But it's not. They think they're being nice, but you don't want to hear that. I don't think I would ever say that to someone. No, you know what, I think I have said that I just said it to you. I'm sorry if you were offended by that, but I

meant it as compliment. Nothing you say can offend me. Well, I feel like, um, we all look damn good for our age there? How about that looking? I'm just staring at our young co host since you said host today? Wait, says how old did you turn this year? I turned thirty seven? Oh, must be nice, but Jen remember thirty seven. It was a good year's keeping it consistent. Don't remember it at all. I'm excited for my forties, though usually i'll be. I feel like be smarter, and I have

a better head on my shoulders, both classics. She said, I'm excited for my forties, and I said you should be, and you said don't be Yep. For once I was the ray of optimism and you were dead be downer. It's true we switched roles for a second. We should do that more often. So. This episode is episode four of season two. It's called Anaconda, which I don't even understand why, but it aired on August first, nineteen one. Synopsis.

Brenda gets heated after a bad sun burned, but Brandon and friends are in hot water when they're after hours poker game at the beach club is followed by a burglary who don't done. I'm sorry. Even back in the day when we did this episode, every time I hear anaconda, I want to go anaconda, don't go unless I knew you were going to sing that, and I was excited. Directed by Daniel Addius, written by Darren Starr and Jonathan Roberts, who was a new is a new name for us.

This is a new writer, I guess for season two. That's right, I do you remember that writer? I don't either, I wonder now, but we had lots of ones that went on to be like recurring writers or consistent writers throughout the seasons. Even uh. And I actually sad to say, I don't know Jonathan Roberts. I wonder if he this was his one hit wonder. I don't know with us. With us, we should really look into those details before we go on a radio program and talk about them

or not a dio program. But you know, doesn't it feel like we're doing a radio show. It does the live radio show. I heart we want to do a radio show next because because we know so much about music, you both should fill in for me. When I'm on maternity leave. How fun would that be? Oh my gosh, how how how long are you gone from majority leave? Before I commit to that? It would be a few months. I don't know about that. You got wake a real early. We should do it for a day. Well, see if

anyone notices. I don't think they notice. Why was this episode called Anaconda though? Does anybody have any insight on that? Yes, okay, I know there's a story. I don't have it, but I know there's a story. There's a reference somewhere in the show. It was the name of the card game. Anaconda is a seven card stud poker game. It is played with the same roles except for a few exceptions. There we interesting, It's okay, that's where the title of the show. I love how we're just learning about it

all together in real time. But just for people like that are listening, we have like ten pages of preps, like we're really prepared when we come in to do this podcast. We just didn't know the un contact. I don't know why. I don't know the writer, don't know the why it's called them conduct? What else so far that we're discovering because we're rediscovering the show together. So

why not discover the details of the show together. And if we're just watching as fans, Literally we just watched the show, and then we come together and we talk about it and we go, what do you remember? What don't you remember? And I love that about this podcast because you know, we don't sensor ourselves. No, no, no, we don't sense ourselves, and we don't pretend to be experts. We only can give you our version of the story, our memories from from it. So why weren't you in

this episode? That? Is this another thing I don't know. I didn't even know that one. I really thought she was in all episodes produced. Isn't that crazy? I even asked my manager, who's so my manager from from then, Mr Showbiz, and he has no recollection of me not being in any episodes. He thought I was in all episodes as well. I thought I was in all episodes. Apparently I wasn't because I didn't see myself in this one. But that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy watching it. I

honestly I liked watching it without me in it. No, that's just no, I like I relaxed, and I wasn't nervous for when when I was gonna be on or what I was gonna say, or do you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't so caught up in my own head about it. I was able to like submerse myself in the story. And I really enjoyed watching Brenda and Donna's scenes, Like I thought they were great and I was like, well, I don't need Kelly. There we were in that, like, you guys are so good together.

I really felt like this episode, Donna, you you had the most to say, especially that scene like at the beach with Brenda. You were so cute and so real, like authentic in that scene, and I just wanted to be friends with you. I wanted I wanted to hang out on the beach with you. Maybe you saw a little bit of the show back then, and maybe that's the reason you wanted to be my friend real life. Who knows. Maybe maybe I was home watching the show that's where I was, And maybe you were sick, like

and you couldn't work, maybe lost your voice. I don't know. No, The only thing I can think of would be that, um my dad was struggled a lot with his health and they my parents lived in Arizona, and he had um there were occasions when he would have heart attacks and end up in the hospital. And this to me sort of feels like I might have made an emergency, you know, flee to go be with him. That's all

I can really, that sounds likely. I bet we could look up the script somewhere online, someone has it and put the pieces together, because I bet you're right. I bet you were in it and they had to take you out because there was an emergency. If anyone knows the answer to it out there, please let us know. Yes, let us know any fact seekers about n why I wasn't But it was a really good episode, not because you weren't in it, anybody, that's okay, that's all right.

So should we talk about Poker? Yes, Poker. Ok I don't even know her. That is so not okay to say anymore. But it's remember what was the other one, Poker in the front, liquor in the rear that I can't. I just said that, but it came to my mind because whenever I wish, these are the things you learn on the set. People pretty old school, you could say, poke him in the front, like him in the rear, it doesn't have to be about a woman, and that's your problem. You can poke some that would hurt. Poke

poked him in the front. I never heard poker. I don't even know her. You never heard that. These are now our old lady jokes. And then we laugh and laugh. I mean it's funny. And the young people just like, like, what are they saying? I'm laughing with you, Poker, I don't even know her. Oh yeah, I thought Brian was

extra cute in this episode. He was. He was so cute, this little poker faces that he was making, and those were just like those remind like the faces he was making at the poker table remind me of just him now, Like he makes those faces just like for no reason. And I don't know. This must be where they originated from, except he was a lot shorter and I had a higher voice. But it's him now, Yep, it's the same bran different hairline. Brian had such a low hairline like

Eddie Monster. Right, yeah, we'll look at it now. He's got great hair stills, he's got great hair. Yeah. I ended up perfect, like settled in, settled in its settled in, Yeah, settled into his face, into his hairline. He grew into everything you know that came out wrong. Well, I felt like the poker stuff was really fun to see, like the whole sneaking into the beach club at night, which I was like, Brandon, what are you doing? You're gonna

get fired? Peer pressure, peer pressure totally. I feel like he is what the second time he's succumbed to peer pressure. Yeah, it seems like Steve Sanders can get him to do anything anything, But Steve is pretty convincing and kind of fun, and you want to join in on the shenanigans when he comes up with something like yeah, you know, you get real convinced by him. Yeah, it's true. He's very

he's a good salesman. And that storyline is just so relatable because I think in every friend group with high school kids especially, there's always that one friend that the instigator, the wild one. Oh my gosh, I had one of those in high school. I had one of those on set And it wasn't me, It wasn't gen Who was

it Shannon? Okay, because she like she was cool and like was always going out and doing things, and I was just like, she's so cool, Like I want to hang out with her, so I would end up doing things that, yeah, that's not bad, just like that you shouldn't have done. Not like nothing bad, but just like peer pressure, like oh no, because I like I felt like when we started this show, I was still living at home. Obviously, I was in my teens. I had

a curfew, which is so lame. And she'd be like, let's go out on Friday night and don't worry, we don't have to have an I D. And I'd be like, I have a curfew, and I'm so embarrassed I couldn't tell Shan Doherty I had a curfew. I love that about you so like and early, like like right before my eighteenth birthday, I think my curfew was still eleven thirty. That is so crazy. You guys are like major TV stars on like one of the biggest shows on the planet,

and you have a curfew. Just it's so relatable. It's interesting, though, Beau, Yes, you add a curfew, and so you were obviously you know, being parented. But then we would go to work and be treated like adults and have absolutely no like um like guardianship at work. We were just thrown into this situation and had to make all our own decisions and know how to act and know how to handle all the things and know how to do everything on our own, Like there was nobody there telling us yes, no, maybe

you know it was. There was never one adult that was like, hey, if you guys need anything, you're young girls, like, come, you can confide in me. That would have been nice to have, huh. I wonder if they had that now for teenagers. I mean when you're when you're a teenager on a set now, you have usually your parents with you, or your teacher or something like some sort of person your parents didn't have have to be. I guess your parents was there technically Tori, or was there but not there.

I took I took the g D so that I didn't have to have a teacher on set because I wanted to fit in with everybody else. We both the g e D, which is like, so we could graduate from high school earlier. Yeah, But then my mom said, since she was so strict, if I took the g D on my days off from filming, I still had to go to high school and graduate from my high school.

Like that was our deal really, yeah, which was really super hard to work these hours and then be like, oh, I have the next day off, and I'd be like, do I really have to go to my senior classes? Like oh I would suck. Oh my goodness, high class problems. But it's still and it's not that did you guys feel that you were missing out? Like I mean, for me, it's like I loved high school for that reason, like just all you know, homecoming, the dances, being a cheerleader,

all that. Did you feel like you missed that on any of that? But you basically were playing that on TV, so you know, like I think tour you got to experience a lot of that. Yeah, mm hmm I did and the stuff. But once I was on nine O two O, it was like my world transitioned and I wanted to just be immersed into this world, um and just act and be with these friends. So it just

it transitioned really fast. Yeah, because you didn't have anybody watching over, you didn't have any teachers telling you what to do. We were like, whoa, Yeah, it was yeah, it's true. Oh my gosh, I would want I want I would want that too. Yeah, But um, I don't feel like I I mean, I did a little bit of high school I only stayed in high school through my sophomore year, and then I left and got my g D as well, and then didn't ever look back, never worried about it again. And look at me now,

guys stay in school kids. Well, I think it's does it feel weird that like you still kind of in a weird way acted it out, like yeah, you still got to wear like the cap and gown dances and got together football games and all the things. It just was but as Kelly for not as someone way better, because yeah, it was just I don't know, we were

doing it as adults kind of it was fun. Yeah, That's how I felt more about, like the college years when we get to the college years, because I felt really like missing out when I had friends like that would call me from college and they were having parties and sororities, and I was like, wow, but we really got to live all that. So I feel more about that when we get there. Um went back to the episode.

One of the things that I was enjoying when I every time I watched the show, I feel like I really enjoyed the not just the opening credits, but like the opening sequence where they owe you all of the the they call it be roll or establishing shots of Beverly Hills in California and all the glorious scenery that is out here, you know, And I love that about just for a second, it kind of sucked me in

and thought, oh my gosh. If I was living in you know, Uruguay or whatever and watching this, think that's so cool. That's what Beverly Hills looks like. That's what the rich and famous live like. You know, that's California. I think that was such a lure, such a an important part of our show was all of that stock footage and and and like establishing shots. I lived in Orange County and I thought it was amazing. You lived

like a beautiful place as well. But I'm just saying like I never you know, I didn't go up to Hell, even going up to l A. Growing up in Orange County. It was like you didn't needn't do it often. So to us to see like the palm trees and Beverly Hills and all the shops and all that stuff, it was and something that we saw every day. Either come on down see how two percent live Like that's more

than that. But I think every episode they would repeat a lot of the shots of certain things like Rodeo Drive and the palm trees and the beach, but there were also a lot of new stuff, so that they must have had, like, um, a whole second unit that would go out and shoot these, um just beautiful scenes like landscapes of the beauty of California. I want I would want to be on that crew where you just go around and there's no actors, just the beautiful scenery

and the real people. I love. That was that fan. But right out of the gate, I felt like this episode starts really tapping into uh Dylan's emotional trauma and pain more than even more than before. Like, yeah, they kind of talk about his problems with his dad, and but this is the episode where I felt like we really dove into his the dark parts of his psyche.

And I think this was like a a pivotal moment for his character and like the trajectory of the importance of Dylan McKay on the show greed, because he wasn't just Brenda's boyfriend, he wasn't just you know this guy that surfs he was he had all these layers and we sort of start to unpack all start to figure out. So interesting to see nowadays. I feel like they do shows a bit different back then. There really is, and like they didn't just drop little nuggets. It's like they

always put it all in one episode. They pack it in kind of like big nuggets about somebody's character. It happens all at once. I mean, not that we haven't seen little things along the way with Dylan, but this episode was very Dylan heavy about his backstory. This whole season is more dramatic already. I'm realizing it's not that after school special type of vibe that season one was. Yeah, you're starting to really get invested in in each individual

character and their specific journey, and that's that's what's so cool. Like, like I was saying that scene with Brenda and Donna at the beach, like I started to care and and understand and like kind of relate more to Donna and to Brenda. I mean, first of all, I thought Brenda looks super cut in this episode. Her hair and makeup was on fuego, so just but um, I just felt like, I you start to really want to be with these characters.

You start to want to hang out with these characters and like help them with their problems and be there for it all, you know. And also going into second season, I think they were starting to know us as actors more and that was helping them to start to guide the characters. M What do you mean by that starting

to get you to know you as actors? Because we always feel like we're like did they have like some hidden microphone somewhere because they like the character attributes, Like I feel like a lot of the stuff you see, especially like for my character's Donna, Like that's very tory and at that age that they were writing for me um personality wise. So it's interesting that they were getting to know us by spending time with us on set and they were starting to write more personality traits of

the real actors into the characters. I think. But it's weird. I didn't. I didn't never feel like they were spending more time with us on set. I honestly felt like they were watching us from Afar and like like make taking notes about the the animals and the enclosures. Well, wait,

weren't you miked up? Like if you were miked up or No, Well, with all those booms and every shot, I don't think we were wearing body mikes, but you learn, you learn very young, like we learned this on to know that when you have your body mic on, it's taped inside. We don't want them to hear it. You just tap it and they continue to have a conversation

like keep doing it. Yeah, it sounds like the soundman probably loved that because whenever we would talk about stuff we didn't want to when to hear, we'd be like tap tup tup, tup, tup, tup, tup, tup tup and probably really hurt their ears, breaking punk kids. But like I think producers and writers were like banking on us, just like talking out of school and not like knowing that we had our mics on, and which happens all

the time. Yeah, we went there was stuff would happen and we'd be like, oh shoot, I forgot to go like this, and you have just told like some really juicy stuff. Um, but have you gone on in your career jen to be on a set and work with younger people or anyone and you do that and they look at you like what are you doing and they think you're crazy. I don't know if I've really noticed that. Now, Oh it happened to me. Someone was like what you are you? Okay, what are you doing? And I was like, Oh,

it's like a have it you don't. I guess it's an old school thing. You like this so that sound doesn't hear what the youngsters do now when they don't want the sound man to hear what they're saying, they just don't care. They don't care. I don't think you

can't unplug it. There's no off button. Well you can unplug it, but it's not that easy because it's usually like, um, when they put a body mic on you, it's it's wrapped under a packaging thing, like you're wrapped up in a belt and it's in the belt, in your pants, in your clothes, on your thigh there's like a thi

wrap with velcrowdon. So it's like, you know, it's usually like an ordeal to get to it, which is also pretty embarrassing when the sound man is putting that on you on set, like digging through your clothes, lifting up your skirt, pulling up your everything just to get to your mic, to change your batteries, batteries, just coping a

field right now, Oh my god. Pretty invasive. It's and everybody's standing there waiting while the sound man is like literally lifting your shirt up and basically putting his head under their likes. They usually hand it to me and they just go through. Now, So we grew up like just being like on new shows they would be like okay, they would always say that, we would just stand yeah, just text here's my body put the same you need it? That basically PTSD from that from being fondled. Do you

enjoy for play? Does it bring back? It's kind of numbing, Like we're like Janice explained so much about my life an epiphany. Lord, what is that? Well, there's still more than cover from this episode. Let's take a break and you guys can think about that and we'll come back. Okay, you guys, we are back, and it's Anaconda don't want if you ain't got buns hunts. Sorry, I love it

so much. We're at the Beach Club. We are what they're play coker and the big thing is they're going to do the you know, Ross Weener Black version of Poker Night, which I just couldn't get past the name. Sorry for anybody out there who's named Ross Weener Black, But I mean I'm really sorry if your name is Ross Win are black, But I'm sorry to be making fun of it right now, but it just made me laugh. One more time, say it one more time, a black, yes, one more time to say it one more time. What

movies that from? I don't know, you and I always do. I don't know. We got it from some movie. It's from Elf on the Conversable and um, and Will Ferrell's character is calling him an elf room. He's like, say more, one more time, to say it one more time and then you scrap out of left. Sorry, but it was also funny when they're doing the poker stuff and they're um talking about their fancy fifty inch rear projection TV. I was like, that was like high tech in that

at that time. That dated us, didn't it? And it did, But I loved it. It was pretty big TV for that time, and rear projection TVs were the thing to have. Now you wouldn't really want one, but they were good. One of my favorite lines, I'm just going to jump right ahead because that's what I do, uh, was when um, the guy that they're playing poker with, says, Hey, Brandon, don't be such a squeef what's a squeef? What's a squeef?

I thought he said squeak, but I thought I heard squeef squeak squeef, Like, don't be such a squeak who says that, Yeah, it's weird. Was a squeef? Like like a loser? Sounds not fun? And then the girls come to the poker party and they look so stink and cute. I love your outfits. I always try to find pictures from that episode really cute, and I loved those outfits. It looks so fun. I wanted to go to that poker game and smoke, well, I didn't want to smoke

the cigars. I could not believe you guys were smoking cigars. I felt like such a stud you guys, I'm sure I felt like I was going to throw up afterwards, But I was like feeling cool as could be. I don't see some cigars smoking as really making you cool, but I guess it's the opposite. But imagine being what were we seventeen then eighteen? Like you know, I was like, Okay, it's just first scene, so I'm not doing it. But it's like, I don't know. I thought I was in

the big leagues. Don't judge me. You were and you looked great doing it. I really loved it. I was there for that whole poker thing, the lighting and the just it looks so Needo Neto, I said, Neto better than squeef. It was a very interesting theme. Like I was wondering, did the writers come up with that? Was that your dad's idea to do the whole like Frank Sinatra theme scene? Where do you guys think it came from? I wonder. I mean, my dad was really good friends

with the rat Pack. I wonder if that was something he was like, Oh, let's make it this kind of idea, bring that back. I don't know. It was fun to get see James Pickens jr. Um do some more scenes in this episode. Did you guys like that? He's such a good actor. It's funny. I wonder if people remember him from this, because obviously everyone knows him from Gray's Anatomy Richard on Grey's Anatomy, But we've crossover audiences, right, Yeah, sure,

Before that, he was he was Henry Thomas. He was like the guy at the Beach Club, and he was so great. He was I just loved whenever he was on screen. And I mean, to be quite honest, the show was not that diverse in in the nineties. We that wasn't something that they really focused on. It was a once in a while thing that they would say, oh, we we should do this. But I loved seeing the diversity and just feeling that, you know, just the difference of of having him there. And I thought that he

added a lot to our show. I liked him a lot. He was watching TV on the balcony agan man favorite thing to do, and he had like the best mullet, Like did you guys notice he had like the best tightest mullet there is tight the tight mullet. But it was a moment you had to really like sneak a peek to see it. And I was like, what, he's cute. So he appears in ten episodes of Nanotu and O and then that was it. What what happened after this season Greys Anatomy starts is that when he went there

maybe a year. I guess we'll find out, But didn't we come back to the Beach Club or this was it after this season? I feel like it was just one season. Whoa we don't know in anything like like we said, We're going to learn right along with you, guys while we're watching this. The thing about this is, if you're a super fan of the show, you've watched every episode and you know what's happened and what's going to happen for us. We literally don't know what's going

to happen next week. This is true just because we acted it and lived it. Don't think we remember it. We had a great we had a great song in this episode, though, I did notice um was kind of another one of those um foreshadowing weird nine O two on Oh Moments, because there was a song called what I Like About You by The Romantics in the scene

with Brendan Donna when they're doing their tams. I don't know if you guys heard it, but I did because that song was later became pretty significant to me because I did the show What I Like About You? Yeah, yeah, So I thought that was a neat little foreshadowing. Another one of those things. That's so cool. Those things keep happening, coming, keep them coming. I love it. Do you guys have that happen? I mean, you notice, like the things that

happened like little signs. This is totally off topic. But I'll just tell you. Um my daughter her school picked a new mascot this last week and they, for whatever reason, that it wasn't politically correct their old mascot. They wanted to change it. So they changed it to the Owls and they announced it yesterday and it was big news, you know, for us. And that the night before they announced it, I had a dream about a giant owl swooping through and I didn't know where that came from.

Then then then they announced that their show their mascots called the Owls. And then last night we were watching um Queen's Gambit again. I guess we love that show, and there was like an owl reference. I don't even know why I'm telling you this, but it's about the signs people. It's about noticing the universe, like synchronicity. Synchronicity, yes,

and I'm just gonna say it, I think. Okay. So, so she told me this yesterday and I was like, oh, she had this premonition about the owl being picked as the mascot. But I think the overall theme is you need to look deeper. The album means something else for you. It's coming like something wei to figure it out. Well, owls are wise. Maybe there's wisdom coming your way or please go and she is a hoot. But I feel like it means something little people. Maybe it'll be revealed

on the next episode. Maybe. Well, let's get into fashion our favorite lines, and we have a few questions from listeners. Let's take a break and we'll come back with that. Okay, so let's talk fashion, ladies, because we love to talk about fashion on the show. Um, I'll just kick it right off. I was really digging Steve's outfits in this episode. They were They were just fun and so perfectly Steve Sanders.

I loved the completely buttoned up shirt, blue shirt with the white like docer shorts, but equally uh, the dolphin shorts he was wearing with yet another tank top. His tank top closet is just going nuts. We have to ask him if he has any of those tank tops and if he would be willing to wear them one day. Oh yeah, then and now I want to do yeah, like I want to see him in those now. I want to see that so bad. Um. I loved my

outfit in the Poker Game. That was one of my favorite outfits ever on this whole series that I wore because I love the twenties, so mine was kind of esque. Yeah, you were both kind of dolled up like retro like that, and I loved it. Brenda's she looked every bit a roaring twenties lady, just as you did, but a little different take on it. Right, you were more of a flapper. He was more of like, um, the cigarette girl, you know, the girl that would a cigarette cigarette cigarette. Well, I'm

really dating myself. Everybody gets did you like anything since? Yeah, it's funny that they were considered the babes that we're going to be at the poke game. Brandon was so disappointed that one of them was his sister. He's like, this does not count. We get some fresh girls. Fresh girlfriend, He's a fresh babe. Um. I liked Donna's hair in um, like half a half down when you came into the

WASH's house. It's just like that was my go to hair sound in the nineties because like, if you don't want to do point out, you just like the half of half down with like a huge scrunch, yeah, or like a clip, like a little clips what were they called the banana clips? No, that was a different one. They were like, yeah, small, like just one and they were flat, yeah, and it just would hold it. I don't I don't know. It's so funny for me because I feel like that hair do was like not a

TV hair do. I feel like it was just real life. Yes. I think that's why I liked it really Like I look at it and I'm like, oh my god, why didn't they do my hair that day? Like, oh my god, what was happening? Was I like late and they were like got to get to said skip hair. No. I feel like it goes back to being you, being authentic and relatable. I feel like you and Brenda both looked just really normal, like girls you would want to be hang out with, like you, girls that you actually do

hair out with. How about lines? Best lines from the episode? I know to one? No. One of mine was from David. Uh he was He said, hey, little lady, can I buy you a snack? Donna hot snack? Right here? He was not feeling his vibe now not Yeah. Um of course going back to that, UM, seeing I liked my line, I uh, I had a cigar. I threw up. Yeah that's so cute. Um, I already told you my favorite line. Brandon don't be such a squeef. I plan on using

that reference later. I'm gonna call somebody a squeef today and see how it goes. And that's that's it, you guys. This is this was We don't have a lot to say about this episode. I feel like we kind of like didn't really go too deep. But that's okay because we have some great questions I think from from listeners. Don't we sist? We sure do? A Maya is asking why do y'all keep picking and or shading the boys?

This other week it was about Jason and his height and everything, and then Tori was sarcastic about how Jason loves to rehash Nano toun o stuff. What did they do to you? Wow, my gosh, what did they do to us? Okay, here's what you guys need to understand, Like these are like our brothers and sisters. Like anything we say here we would say right to their face and probably do. Like you hear how Jan and I talked.

This is how we all talked to each other. Um and we we always were in contact stone we're all still friends. So they didn't do anything. Does we love them? It's our family. This is how you talk about your best friends and family, right, yeah, but even so, like I get what there's this Amaya is saying, like from people that love the show, and you know, but the thing is, this is our this is these are our recollections,

these are our memories. This is was our experience, and you know, it was probably much different than their experience, so the guy's experience or anyone else's experience, but we can tell our side of the story. And I think that, um so often we fall into the trap of trying to tell a story that everybody is gonna digest, well, like that it's going to be politically correct to say, or it's gonna people are going to still like us

even when we say it. But there are some parts of our experience that weren't great, and and that's okay, and it's okay for us to talk about it now too, and it's okay for for other people to share their experiences.

But you know, when you ask what did they do to you, it's not necessarily what they did to us, but what we as young people did to ourselves, like our interpretation of what was happening at that time because we were all so young and so like I said, so unguided at that in that environment, that grown up, mature environment, being completely left on our own for you know,

days full days of whatever happened, you know. And so there's so much that happened that sort of taught us and and shaped us as women, as young girls, as now as women, and not all of it was great.

And you know, Tory and I do try to um tell the truth, but at the same time not you know, let people in too far to see like the you know, the sordid parts, because we want everybody to love the characters and love the show, and but we also have our own experiences, so sometimes that stuff comes out of us, like when we're joking and when we're like making fun. But I don't think that it's not about what they

did to us. Well, but what she said, um, but am also I believe I'm the person that the entire first season I kept saying, Look how dreamy Jason's eyes are. Oh my god, he's so hot. Like I acknowledge that too. I think. I mean, I'll say to you if you wore something like what were you wearing that week? Like that's the same thing, Like why did they say something about Jason Tite, like we were just referencing things that

we're in the script and happened. I don't think you have to defend yourself, but I think that way you said it makes a lot of sense. I know, I don't feel like we pick on them, though I don't like, I don't feel like we have different I haven't gotten that vibe either. I think it is kind of like you guys are all, you know, related in a in a sense, these are our high school friends. Like we

I mean family picks on each other. It's like I still have the same jokes with my high school friends that like, and we still when we see each other we pick up, but we left off and it's the same stupid jokes that like, you know, sound mean, but they're not me because it's us and we were in those were, like like we've said before, those were formative years. We were young girls. We were very very impressionable, and

I mean Tory and I've talked about this before. Back to the whole major concept of why why am I the way I am? And who how did I get the way? And why do I have these issues or these hang ups or you know, all that you ask yourselves as you grow into an adult and you when you start to look and sort of look at yourself in the mirror and ask those questions. Yeah, a lot of a lot of what happened on that set um

shaped us in all directions. But I think as a young girl, maybe I was like, what blamed it on the guys to like, you know, it was all their fault, But it was how I saw it, like, you know, brought out a super competitive part of me. Being in that environment of being you know, uh, judge by because of my looks or how I looked in an outfit

or you know. It was such a it was. It was just a different day and age um and it and it gave us young girls a lot of mixed messages, and I for many years struggled with um, I think that if I'm honest, like I think it, it kind of taught me two be threatened by other girls, be threatened by other women, be more competitive because I wanted there. I wanted our co stars approval or attention, you know. And it was it messed with me on a on

a deeper level. And not until later in life did I kind of think it wasn't ever about the other girls, and why did I ever make the other girls the enemy in my mind? You know, it wasn't it. And so it gives you different messages that you have to work through. And I think that Tory and I are always working through those messages as we grow older and trying to be better people and figure it all out. You know, absolutely all right, We'll go to the next question. Um.

This question is from Stephanie to Jenny. Through the seasons, Kelly endured such traumatic experiences and eating disorder, the fire, drugs, getting shot, and the cold, just to name a few. Did you ever get tired of such terrible things happening to your character and ask for something happier or easier to play? In those ten seasons? I can ask this question a lot, because yeah, you do. Because a lot of bad things happen to Kelly. It's like a weird I don't know why. They just love to do bad

things to her. I don't know why they did, but I mean I did my best with it. When they would give me a storyline that was dramatic on the heels of another story and it was dramatic, I did my best. Yeah, I got I got tired of the heaviness of it sometimes for sure, and it was, you know, That's why I love the scenes on the show where it's like that everybody hanging out the group and we're having fun. I love that stuff because it's like a

pleasant break for me. But it's interesting to see like I did so many of those you know, dramatic things, and I'm developed into a pretty dramatic person, like I'm I'm not you know, Tory and I always joke she's Pollyanna and I'm the opposite of whatever Pollyanna is. We have to think of what that is. Didn't we figure it out once? I don't remember. You think it's because you played all these crazy roles when you were younger. I feel like you're like, it's definitely shaded my life experience.

I feel like, no, not only did I have so many traumatic experiences on camera, those those sink in, those those sink into your bones, you know, and your experiences, but I also have had, you know, a lot of things in my real life. So and we all have a lot of trauma and ups and downs in our lives. But combining the two, I think it's a lot for one lady. So I definitely think that it's it's made me probably a more of a serious person. But it's

funny because my I call myself a blue person. I don't know if you guys have ever heard that expression, Like I I think you're not a blue person tour I don't know would be you're more of like a yellow person, like you air more on the light higher,

like a lighter, happier, sunnier side of the spectrum. And I'm more a blue person like I've always struggled with depression, and I've always uh, you know, had things that in my mind that were harder for me to deal with and and kind of cloud in my experience and made me more on the blue side. I remember my dad used to say, um, you would say are you feeling blue? And that was I would I would say yeah, and

I didn't know why. I was a little girl, and he would take me for ice cream and then everything would be better. But but I think that people are just kind of wired how they're wired. And I think that I think all of our experiences, throughout all of our journeys in life, like they accumulate, they kind of add up and make you who you are. And I know I love my blueness. I mean, I I love it. I embrace it, and I it's something that I've learned to live with and and that i love about myself.

I've I'm a I remember some people used to call me, in a negative connotation, you're too emotion emotion emotional. That was what I was saying, you're so emotional. And yeah, maybe as a younger person, I was more dramatic and more emotional because that's usually what happens. But I remember saying, you know what, I'm not emotional. I'm emotion ful. Mm hmmm,

And I'm okay with that. So maybe I got it from Kelly and also people telling you that when you're so young, like there's something wrong even if you're even if you're not that, then you start believing that you are, and so then you carry that, you carry that. I've done this thing called the landmark forum. Okay, it's a bracket, and so it's a bracket that was given to you in your adolescence or when you're young, and it may not be true at all, and you carry it into adulthood.

And you know, it's like someone telling you, like you can't draw, you're not a good artist. You know, like when you're a little kid in preschool or like, and then so then you go into elementary school, you're like, I'm just not a good drawer, and you just start believing that you know and has nothing to do with who you really are. So it's just it's crazy for that. And then I had no idea that doing these roles would would really penetrate into like your actual real life

as well. Yeah, I mean I think for sure for me, definitely doing all this stuff and then going home and because you want to stay in that mindset right as an actor assuming, I mean, yeah, it's hard to break it off at the end of the day and the day and then like turn it right back on. It's to say them the next day. So it's it kind of lingers. You're like, I'm just gonna stay a bit on that because I have to be that tomorrow morning.

But I think I also to what you're saying, like people label you you, we label ourselves like I do that all the time. I say, oh, I'm not a I'm not a writer. I how to write this, But if I really sat down and applied myself, I probably

could write something. So it's it's the messages that we hear from other people it's but for me, it's the messages that I hear from myself, and they're probably from those outer messages, and then I sort of internalized them and keep reiterating to myself, like my the things that aren't so great about myself. And I think that that's something that we should all try to not do. Stop listening to ourselves when it comes to those negative messagings.

I know, I wish we could just all live like the innocent lives that children live, you know, and you're like, you don't second guess anything when you're a child. I think you're great. Yeah. I look at my kids and I'm just like, gosh, if I can just have your mind for a day, they're confidence because no one's torn it down yet. I know, we could just keep them in a bubble. I know. I wonder what I would

be like. I thought this before, Like what would I'd be like if I hadn't been colored by all the experience, like all the negative stuff, you know, and all the messages out there, Like what would little Jenny look be like if if none of that had happened. Well, it's part of your journey, so you wouldn't be you if it didn't happen. No, I wouldn't and you wouldn't love me, and I would always love you no matter what. Do you think you've carried some of Donna's traits into your

real life, Tori? I mean I've definitely carried being cast as Donna being the producer's daughter through my whole life. I mean, I definitely I'm the type. Like when Jen says she shows emotions a lot when she was younger, I didn't show any emotions because I didn't want to be labeled anything. I just wanted to be perfect. Like you know, they already have preconceived notions because I'm the

producer daughter. So going into that job, I was like, I have to be sweet, I have to be nice, I have to be kind, and I was all those things. But it's carried over into my adult life that I don't have a voice to be strong or brave or the confident woman I want to be because I'm spending so much time focusing on being just so sweet and wanting everyone to like me. Yeah, so I wish, Yeah, I wish that was different too. I feel like things

would be different. Everybody has their own like thing, you know, like it's so interesting when you look at people. Yeah, I think we all want to please people to an extent. You know, it'd been dumb stuff Like when I was planning my wedding, It's like I kept thinking about like what everybody else was going to think. And it's supposed to be the happiest day of my life, and I was like worried about like are they gonna like this

or my guests gonna like that? And it's just you have to be able to be a little selfish at times. That's the great thing about getting older, I think, is that you start to realize that it's not being selfish, it's just honoring yourself and like giving yourself as much love and acceptance as you do to other people. Mm hmm. And that's it's hard, but it's part of the journey.

We're all still works in progress. Well, I just met you guys not too long ago, and I think you're both lovely and I don't get any negative vibes from either one of you, So you're doing something right. No shades of blue, No shades. Yes, you need sarcasm, please be so boring without it. So what is our next episode. Those were great questions you guys, By the way, keep them coming because like obviously we're not afraid to talk about anything. Um, if anything, I tend to talk about

stuff too much, but about like the real deal. But um, keep them coming because we love them. Yes, next episode is a season two episode five. It's called play it Again. David. Oh, what an eyebrows tour again? David. Hm, I'm so curious. What's David going to play? I have no idea. I just excited because it's Davidson, you can remember, very excited. Well, we'll see you guys next week.