9021One on One: Dean Cain

Caine maybe remember, mrs and Tori is off. That's why Tori isn't here, and we didn't want to do a recap episode without her. Can't do it without her. Yeah, So we decided to do this special episode which I'm like, I gotta get myself together because I'm so excited about this. I don't I gotta, I gotta get some together. I'm gonna like, sin you please pull yourself together, Amy, because we're I apologizing in fance. I'm afraid of an embarrassing like I'm super excited to talk to him. All right,

let's do it. Hi, de Hi, Jenny, I'm wonderful. How are you doing? I'm doing good? You look fantastic. Look at you, Look at you? What you got? You got me today we don't have Tori, but you have a bonus and Sugarman is with us today. Yeah, yeah, I got I got the good day A big fan. I'm

not gonna lie. I was doing my research on you last night, getting ready for this, and all of a sudden, I'm like, I've been watching YouTube videos of Deep Cane becoming Superman for an hour and a half, Like, yes, he's really people have really gone crazy with that, Like there are compilations so that it's like here comes Clark Ken turning into Superman. Here he goes again, Here it goes again. And then I forgot that episod zone where Martha makes your Superman costumes. The pilot episode, I mean

two hours went by. I was like, I'm so still watching. Nine year old still hasn't watched the whole series. Wait, you are you have a twenty one year old daughter? Boy? Boy, why I don't think you had a daughter. I'll tell you why. I think you had a daughter because I was watching a Christmas movie and daughter was perfect. And you fell in love with the caw that ran the ski slopes there and that was Christie Swanson. Of course I just watched that this year. Those are so much

fun to make, aren't they They are. They're wonderful to make, They're wonderful to see. And when you have kids, your kid can be on set, and my kid was on that set. Between the two of you, how many have you both done? Like I got about fifteen? No, you listen, let's just tell everyone for a second. I was a little digging on you. And you've been working consistently since nineteen seventy that's that's that's I was ten years old.

Now I've blown that on my parents though. My dad was a filmmaker, so director, so I was just I was, you know, throw his body in there, have him do this. We need somebody to say this. I mean, you work. You've done something every single year since nineteen seventy six. I've never met another actor that's every single year. Well, it's not stopping now, that's for dang. Sure you're man, You're it's great. I'm happy this can be. I'm in

Las Vegas at my parents house. It's so beautiful. They have such a like actual mom's mom's fancy fancy Well, I think I love about you dinas you're also a host, because so I booked K T l A also, and you're literally like you might as well work there because we have step in for a few and I was hosting Today's show, and I was hosting Fox News as well. So I'm comfortable doing all those things. There's no question.

It takes a little getting used to, for sure. But you know now I still host like two things on three things on the c W, mash inclusion and other things. And so listen, Jack of all trades masters, there's nothing you can't do. You've played I was counting you've played up about seven priests. I don't know if you know this. How many I'll ask you hold on seven priests, one archangel and one high priest, just to be clear. And then how many like detective cops? Do you think you've played?

Probably played eleven cops to tell less more? Yeah, keep going. Twenty nineteen deeply smokes you know, real life, real life a sworn sheriff's deputy. No you are? Yeah? Oh so you could arrest us right now? I could you have to do something illegal? But are you superman? Well, I've got some interesting moments where that's come up um, which was kind of funny, you know, UM from some firefighters on one thing. It wasn't even a call that I

was on. I'm I'm a sheriff's deputy in Virginia, UH in Frederick County, Virginia, and I'm a reserve police officer in Pocatello, Idaho. But the stuff that I've done where people have recognized me was stuff that I've done as a citizen, where like things have gone wrong on the road and I sort of stepped in and and had to do stuff. And then with this one incident on the one on one freeway where a guy was crashing into the center divider, stopped and everybody was just kind

of driving around him. He was having a seizure. Turned out I I stopped and gut out of the car, had like turn off his car and put it in park and he was having a seizure. Had to keep him back. And UM there was an E R nurse that stopped and traffic going both ways, but people weren't stopping for him. So we're in the middle lanes and I'm jumping the divider because he finally starts coming to

then he wants to get combative. Who wants to drive his car away, and then I had to take his keys, and then we ended up like wrestling on the ground and then he cocked up and uh and on the one oh one, on the one oh one, and then the Papa Razzi show up. No, no, not a word. Lucky. I did my job. But then the firefighters were walking back and the fire cabinetors, hey, Superman. I was like, no, man, you guys are Superman. It was great. Well, what's weird is I was thinking about this. I think when I

picture Scott Peterson, I'm picturing you. It's great. I was thinking about that because I'm like, I don't know, you know, like I haven't seen Scott Peterson that many times, but I've seen that movie but me times so, especially when you dyed the hair and you're like making the run for the border. I think, in my mind, I think I picture you, but I think it's him. It's like, that's weird. I say that like if I ever meet a woman and she's like, I love you, I Scott Peterson,

I know, do not date that woman. Flags red flags, red flags everywhere. Ye Like, that was amazing. You really became him. That was like crazy, you know what's weird is that I try to turn that down. I did turn it down like four or five times, and Jenny, you know this game, and like you turn it down four times, they come back higher and higher, and the

more they want you, the more they want you. Finally, my dad, who's a director, I was talking to him and I said, they keep offering me this perfect husband thing and they play Scott Peterson and he's like yeah, and I keep saying no, and he goes, well, could you be good in it? Yeah? And I said, yeah, I think I would be really good. You are super creepy. Yes? Are you an actor? I was like, yes, sir. He's like,

didn't go to work? Shut up? Yeah? Why not? Because Rob Low played that other one that I think I picture Rob Low. That was crazy too. Those were I've watched this over and over there all all right, Well, I grew up with Rob. I grew up with Rob since we were little kids too, so who knew we'd both be serial killers? But he's never been a superhero we're supposed to be talking about. But I could go for those on all the other things. I'll talk about

anything that's a good thing about you. You're so like down to earth and just personally I love that about you. Thank you well. I don't understand how it could be any different. I don't understand if only you were handsome, If only you were handsome, you'd have it all work on that. There's something about that, would you? Wait? So let's talk about so you popped onto the scene in season three, as I like to call it Greek? Was that season three? Yes? Wow? Three? And you were only

on for four episodes? Was it? I think? So we've seen three, We've rewatched three of them, watching the one. No, not the video store one. Yet I still have a problem with that one. I have a bone to pick with it. We want to hear everything. Oh my gosh, okay, so tell us what was it like when you when you came on the show where you did you know about before you started it? Or did you what happened? How did you get the part? You know? For me? Straight up? I mean I I was a fan of

the show. It was like the biggest show in the world at the time. Um, I had grown up, you know, around the film industry, so I knew so many kids. There goes my dad, my dad, he's ignoring So I grew up in the film industry around you know, Chris Penn,

Sean Penn, Roblo, Charlie Sheen. These are all kids that I grew up with um and my dad's a director, So I was you know, the idea of like a show being too big for me was not a thing because I was I knew it was a show, but it was like sort of my first It was my third guest starring role. It was so big and wonderful, and I was super excited um to do it. But my stuff for the first I think the first three

episodes was it we're in quote Paris. Yeah. First of all, I thought we were all excited, They're like, no Universal back lot. I was like, what streets in Universal? Oh the appointment. But it looked real good. It looked fantastic. It looked fantastic. I remember Shannon hated having to do the fake French accent. She did not like that at all. And everybody still to this day, I kid you, not anybody who's a nine or two long fan calls me.

I was, That's that's true. But you know, it was wonderful and I learned a lot of things on that show, especially when I came in to like do the episode where I was finally around all the rest of you guys that's coming to watch, and I think about three weeks. Should I talk about that now or now? Of course? Yes. Well, the thing I want to say about it is I learned one of the most important lessons I've ever learned

in this business. And I learned it from Luke. So I walked in and I hadn't worked with anybody else except for Shannon, so everybody else was I hadn't been there, that, the peach pit, all that. I hadn't seen those things. I was like, oh my god, here it is. Here's the stuff. And Luke comes in and I see him. He saw me, and he comes over. He just be alignes to me and he comes over and he goes, hey, Dean, I just want to say thank you so much for being on the show. I love what you're doing. It's

so great. It's making a show better. I just really appreciate you being here. And I was like, wow, that's that's I feel very welcome. That's a very nice thing. So I've done that on every show that I've ever had. Whenever there's a guest star, I go to them. I thank them for being there and working with us and doing that and I and I realized how important that is for someone coming on, especially a new guest actor who might be nervous or excited or whatever happens to be.

So I've done that every single time, and God bless me. I love that. I love that you've carried that into your life. Now, who was mean to you? Just kidding this? Nobody was mean to me. Yeah, you go along with everyone. Yeah, I got along with them. I tend to do that. I don't really have I mean, I'm not there. I don't I don't look to create waves. I mean, I'll give my opinion. We know that's true on certain things,

whether it's politics or whatever happens to be. But I also can disagree with somebody and still have a great time with them. And that's sort of sadly missing, I think in in our society a little bit. Right now, I think I just said a little just so, how was your overall experience? Do you remember meeting Jenny? Of course I do, and hello crush so um, Yes, I remember meeting her very much. So I remember meeting everybody. It was wonderful and I just tried to, you know,

because I had grown up on sets. I just wanted to get out of everybody's way, let everybody do their thing, and I would sit there. But what they did to me in that fourth episode, talk about it, I don't have any idea what I do. I do. So I was a guy who's supposed to me from Wisconsin, who was in college, and he runs and he thinks she's a French girl. Channon's a French girl, and and uh so he meets her and falls in love with his

French girl kind of the thing. And so that's all wonderful and great, and we're doing all that stuff, and then they like sort of want to have a finish to it because she left, you know, and there was nothing there, like, hey, we want to sort of wrap this up. So well, they were gonna bring me in, and the idea was I was my character was supposed

to come in run into her. He's at U C l A. And he runs into her and realizes she lies and lie, had lied about everything, and he was supposed to break up with her, and that's how it was supposed to go. I remember, bless her. She goes, she says she she didn't like that, and she goes, I can't have I guess Dart can't come in and break up with me, And so it had to be me who got dumped by her, all right. I still

tease her about that today. UM so if they instead of me coming back having seeing her and figuring out it was all line and then breaking up with her, which was I was very comfortable with. Suddenly I get this script and I was like, what I remember? My eyes just popping open. My character decides he's gonna try to make a run at it with her, forgives her for a line, goes over to her house with her parents and just starts with dad sitting there playing and singing.

I don't sing, and he starts singing Great Balls of Fire, and she read that I'm dating my dad, and so she dumps me. I read that I went as white as a ghost. That is harsh because I literally cannot sing, and I was just like, what are they doing to me? And uh, I wasn't in a position to go, hey, listen, no, we're gonna have to fix this. Let's work this around here, let's change things up. They weren't. That wasn't happening. See

I want to know from both of you. Do you think the story would have been better the original way? I do? I do you mean if Rick broke up with Brenda? Yeah, Matt would have been kind of a neat little come up and a little thing. Yeah you play. I think that would have been better. That's me, But that's also because I didn't want to sing. So we definitely need to do a poll on that. We need to you do you think that if if Dylan were in the picture, that Reek would have stuck around with

Brenda if he was in the picture. As far as like a like a little threesome kind of situation going on, I don't think. I don't love triangle. That's exactly what we're interpreting the triangle, the love triangle for me, because yes, I was incorrect, not a threesome. Yes, I love triangle. I don't think Rick would have gone for the love triangle when you when you signed on, was it for

four episodes or was their potential for more? Well? I think I think I only signed on for the three episodes and the fourth one they added, Wow, So you were really supposed to just be left in Paris? I think so. As I recall Um. And it's funny because I've been Mr Spelling has his group of actors used to have come in all the time, and I was doing that. I was in his little stable of you know, Spelling actors coming in. And right after that, probably that

same year, Um, I got cast of Superman. Was too happy about that one I got you got out of the stable. One of his horses got out of the stable. Yeah, and he was like, I heard there was a little bit of hell to pay for that one. Really, Yeah, I heard that, but I don't know if it's true. It's one of those things you go. He was always so gracious and wonderful to me. Um. So I have

nothing but the greatest things to say about him. So, so you're saying that the same year you went from doing the biggest show being a Beverly Hills down went out and then you got this role that changed your life forever. And it really was the nine O, two and O that did it. Um. It really was just because the visibility on that show was so massive and what had happened. I guess Melrose Place was starting to get cast as well. So there's all those things going on.

They were talking about me coming in from Melrose Place, but I was saying I couldn't go in at the time. I wasn't available when they wanted to do it. And Andrew Shoe, who was a great friend of mine, who became a great friend of mine. He went to Dartmouth, I went to Princeton. We're ivy buddies, whatever you want. But um, he got to you know, he did a role there, a bunch of people that I knew were

doing things. It was great. But I think somewhere in there is about when what's what year was season three of nine o two and oh it was either ninety two or yeah, right about ninety two, because you're you've got the timeline totally right. They were because they just launched Melrose Place at this same time and then boom, I had Superman. And the funny thing about Superman is that I was twenty six when I was cast. Um, and you know, even when I was on nine two

and oh, I was, I was a lot older. I was actually I might have been younger than some of the people who are playing. Well we didn't know that at the time, but yeah, now we know a little younger. But uh, yeah, so it was twenty six got Superman and uh and then it was a run from there's fantastic and wonderful. But how did how did that without? How did yeah? How did that time playing Clark Kent of all the characters? How did that? Just like, I don't know, impact your career. I mean, it's impacted my

entire life. And I was just down with my parents, grabbing a quick bite to eat down here, and there was a somebody who's a young candidate running for Congress here and we're in Las Vegas, um and I live in California, but I'm here working and visiting my troop, my folks in between, and there was a young candidate running for Congress, and there was this whole gaggle of ladies who were there to help him run for Congress, And they said, aren't you so and so? You're a

Superman guy. It never ever leaves you. It's always there. It's there's when I'm a police officer, it's there when I fight with a guy in the middle of the one on one. It happens all the time. I play sports. You imagine who playing basketball against somebody and somebody swatch your shots? Take that Superman. I mean, well, Jenny has

the same experience. It is so fast, sinating, and Jenny, you can touch on that because even thirty years later, you should see on our Instagram right now how pissed people are that we're Team Kelly and not Team Brent. And it's been I mean, she can probably relate. I mean, you talk about that, like, but wait, but I have such a great appreciation for it. I'm sure you did too. It sounds like you do like that character, that role. That job changed the trajectory of your life and all

for the better. Like you are where you are today because of that role, and I feel the same way, and I don't try to run away from the role. You hear all those things. People talk about that and people like you played Superman. Yeah, but it's not like I haven't worked since. Yeah, you've played You've played like a lot a lot of other roles. But yeah, that's the thing. Maybe if I hadn't done anything else and

I couldn't escape it or whatever. But I mean, to be associated with Superman, to be called Superman, I mean, they called a lot of things, and Superman is not the worst of it, right, So if I can call that, I mean, it's okay. I'll take it. I think it was like some amazing casting. I love hearing how nine O two and oh did you do? Give that show some credit? What happened? Like? Did they see that? Did

it elevate you? Like what happened there? I'm sure it elevated me a lot in the eyes of casting directors and producers and stuff who are casting things, and they say, once they see you know, once you're on screen with somebody who is of a certain popularity, and Shannon certainly was, and the whole cast and nine O two and oh, and the show was so visible that you become a

viable commodity in that sense. And so what it happened is, um I came up to pilot season, which we used to have, um I was I was offered to test for four different pilots or five different pilots. It all came piling in right after nine O two and oh Superman was six on the air, and it was the biggest of the bunch. So I put it in first position. They allowed me to test for other ones and second and third possession position, which is they don't rarely do that either. But they had to tell me we cast

it on a Wednesday. They had to tell me on a Thursday. We went to network on a Wednesday. They had to tell me thursday whether I had the job or not, or else I was gonna test or something else. And they told me on Thursday, And uh, I was beside myself, but um also terrified because now I have to carry a show. What if people don't like me a Superman? You know, all those things run through your head.

And it wasn't an ensemble. It was two people, and I'm a very very important character, and I thought, man, you know, I hope I can pull this off. I hope I'm likable as the character I caught. There were things that after I was doing the show for a while, Um, I'm a quarter Japanese and somebody was like, we wanted Superman, not Sushi Man. No, my brother send that to me and we laughed for we still laugh today. Don't have

that stuff. None of that stuff hurts my feelings. You were when you're on camera, you're just your your target. People are gonna critique you and do that. And I grew up knowing that. My dad would always tell me that's gonna happen, So I kind of pushed that to the side. But but playing that role was and you were sort of the first Superman after Christopher Reeve, right, So that really was like a really big shoes to tell. Well. It's also there were no superhero shows on television. It's

not not. Now you turned, every other channel's got a superhero show. There was nothing on the on TV. I even thought to myself, I'm like, how are they gonna pull off the special effects on a TV budget? I mean, you're not. It's gonna look terrible. When I read the script and I realized it was a relationship show and a romantic comedy in a sense, and the physicality of it great. You know, I was a pro football player. I was like, let's go, let's be as physical whatever

we can do great And that was wonderful fun. It was great that I was an athlete to play that role because you needed to be. Um. It was a very physically demanding role. But more than that, it's the time spent on set and eighteen hours a day, five days a week, nine and a half months a year. I try to tell people and they go, now, okay, I'm like, yeah, is that what you guys were too, Jenny, Yeah, I mean that those long days, especially episodic like that

twenty two episodes. I mean, it's a lot, it's a lot. It's sense did four four seasons. Wow, I love that show. Do you remember being on the cover of TV Guide with me? Yes? Best Dress? Yes, something about the way we were we had that, We had that the other day? Did Randy have it? And a Randy uh pulled it out of somewhere like that showed me I was psyched again because I might have had one second long time. Yes, he's going to get it. I might have had a little crushed instead of be able to be on the

Best Dressed cover with you. Was was loved. Why didn't you ask her out? Or did she have a husband? I think she had a husband. I think she might have she's I think I've been married forever. I've been married or having a baby my entire adult life. So I feel like this is a great time to ask this question for everyone listening. Do you have a wife? Oh, ladies? Oh no, And if I met the right woman, I'd

marry her tomorrow. Slide into the d M. Ladies like, so you you want to get you want to get married. I'd love to. I'd love to have a partner. You know, I raised my son on my own. I did it with more of an adversary, and when he was not, I handed up with full custody everything. That was a nasty, awful thing to have to go through fighting for joint custody. And I my son's mother calls me the best father she's ever seen in her lifetime. Now in fact, I'm

godfather to her eleven year old. Yeah. Wow, there's hope. There's hope for everyone out there. But I just, uh, I just haven't met that woman at the right time. And uh, you know, you've got some We've got some options for you if you want to quality set up you know people, we'll discuss that Africa. I know people, Dene, I've got these are I got quality ladies, excellent. So other than looking for a lady to love, just look glancing. Did you like Rick? What did you think of Rick? Rick?

Up until he turned into a door? Until turned into James Eckhouse. What's that he turned into? Yeah? What's his? Jim James Eckert. And I saw those guys at a comic con, Mom and dad, Jim Jim, Oh my god, yes, he took a picture. It was lovely. It was wonderful, and uh, it was just it was just funny, you know, And I said, I even said to them, I'm like, yeah, until that episode where I had to turn into a door because we've seen it. Yeah, we've seen the three

and Jenny's never seen any of this. So Jenny is watching it all for the first time. I've seen it like twenty times. But that's Rick is cool. Rick is cool. He was way cool. He should have come back and broke up with her and walked away with his dignity and tach no way, I thought he said from something else in a different word when and got sweaty there. I just felt the way when you're in the scenes with Shannon, you're like twice the size of her, and you can you just pick her up, like she's like

a little Dolly. When I watched us walking through the Parisian Garden one time I saw us walking through it, I go I turned to I don't know who I was watching, my parents or somebody, and I was like, oh my god, I'm a giant. But Terry Hatcher was also very small, so it was good for me a superman, because I could just one hander pick her up in the carrier somewhere and I had to carry her all the time. Um so that was a nice thing. Um like as I also had to carry pen Gillette, who

at the time was two seventy pounds. I had to hold him like this, and I literally felt my ankle bones going like so uh. But next to Shannon, I looked like a massive, gigantic person, um six ft. I mean, she's just She's just Lily Liliputian. Oh, Randy, here it is here, it is there, it is. By the way, I would say, this is one of the more beautiful uh TV guide covers ever. It's absolutely you're biased. It's because we're I'm biased. I think it's now that's true.

I liked I've always when I look at it, my eye doesn't immediately go to me. It might go to the dress there there. I'm just saying to call it a scoop back dress. Wait, this guy he even knows his dress terminology. Guys, let's go God, is it hotel hot the people know? The TV guy used to be the only thing that you would look at before you would like to go in. That was on We're like,

what's coming up tonight? You how to open the TV guy. Now, I wouldn't even know how to like read a TV guy like It's so it existed for a while, it became like a thin, thin small now came in and bigger. I don't. I mean, who's gonna pay for TV guy? I mean just click click on your Nana Nana like your magazines. I let you. Nana still has that one we were on my parents I'm sure cheer in my

house up my parents house. So do people. I mean, obviously everyone's a superman and even Scott Peterson, But do you get stopped for nine O two and oh or like at the time what happened to when it was when at the time of Dino two. No, I don't really remember because that was too much of a thing going on. But you know, comic cons and things. Now, if people want to tell me how long they've been a fan, they're like week Greek and I'm like, okay,

I appreciate that. That's really nice. They're like, look, I'm o g I'm back at the nine O two one night, two o days. So that's that's where I started with you, And I'm like, wow, you really are. Then if you can go back there and it's it's very sweet. But yeah, a lot of people. I mean, the show was the biggest thing in the world. So yeah, so I was trying to figure out how to ask you this question because I like know what I want to ask. It's so confusing. So Jenny, obviously I know this is gonna

it's like a confusing questions. But so Jenny is Kelly, you know, she is known for that and she well on and you were the star, right, But Dean is in this group of people that started on nine o two and Hilary Swank, Michael Cudlitz, Peter Krausa. What is that like when because people always will probably pull that random clip out there like this is where you gotta start. You know, what is that like being in that group

of people, because there's a whole group of you. Of course, again, biggest show in the world, everybody watched in worldwide, um so to be and I would imagine you get all sorts of people who were on their on their way up and and and passing through. I mean, that's it's

it's the it makes sense. It's sort of a stepping stone, if you will, And it makes perfect sense to me when you look at it when you look at I love doing that with old shows, going back and watching the show I was at seeing people guest starring on it. Oh look, here's Brad Pitt playing the chifil a dog, you know, whatever Chick fil a chicken or whatever happens to be. And that stuff is awesome, even like Thelma and Louise. When it was Brad Pitt, that was a

big that was the big start. Well, Leo was on Growing Pains, was Growing Pains. I didn't really watch Growing Pains, so I missed that part. But that's awesome. I love to see that. Everybody has to have a start. You have to begin somewhere. And nine oh two one oh launched a zillion careers, including mine. Thank you very much. Well, I think that's a good thing. I mean, what, look what we gave the world. It's true, though, it really

is true. You did give the world something special. And I just finished producing, directing, writing my own my first feature that I ever directed and produced and started and everything. I just finished it and I feel like I'm delivering a baby to the world. It's a living, breathing thing and it's wonderful and I'm really super proud of it. It's called Little Angels, and I'm just but it is

a living breathe thing. It's you know, nine o two and oh, is a living breathing thing that everybody can experience. And now with streaming and everybody experiencing it for the first time, I think it's incredible. So wait, tell us about Little Angels. What is it and what's it about? And where can we see it. I'm gonna sell it in about two weeks. It's independently financed. It turned out wonderfully,

so I'm super excited about it. And it's the story of a really you know, I played professional football, so um it's the story about big time college football's coach like Nick Saban, guy who makes five to ten million dollars a year and actually five in the movie Um and he he makes a mistake, says some things that aren't politically correct, and in trouble, doesn't get fired, gets skewed in the media, but gets in trouble, and UM has a new athletic director placed above him, who says

that he has to do a hundred hours of community service in a hundred hours of a sensitivity seminar. The seminar turns out to be something he hates, of course. And the community service is even worse because it's coaching girl roles under thirteen year old soccer and so it's basically like The Mighty Ducks or the Backs. Um, but it's got all kinds of heart. It's super fun. Helena Mattson plays the girl opposite Um, and she is wonderful.

I pulled favors from so many of my actor friends, uh to come in and give me a couple of days, and it's it's turned out wonderfully, wonderfully, wonderfully. My stole some of my dad's big time post guys. Great editor, great composer, you know. So it really it's it's beautiful. It's a lovely film. I think we're in really good shape. I cannot wait until we get to show it to some of these distributors, and we're doing we're only showing it to a few because I'm that confident it's gonna

sell it right away. Oh that's so exciting, very exciting to to well, because so getting my son, when we go back to that, it was like, you know, I had to find a nasty custody battle and in that period of time, UM, the amount you work, where you go, whether you leave town. It's all under the microscope. If I took a series, I would have lost custi to my son. If I took up a lead in any series gone, it's over. If I took a movie that was gone for longer than three weeks, I was gonna

lose custody my son. All these things had to be worked out. So I turned down. It was after Lewis and Clark. It was the year two thousand. I turned down. What would have been would have made me the highest paid or one of the highest paid actors in television. Um the show ended up going six years. What was it? I can't say, because they did it. Okay, okay, maybe just tell me later, you just tell me they I turned it down because my son's mother wouldn't participate and

I would have to find a move away case. And my attorney said, I can't guarantee you're gonna win it. So I said, you have. You're making me choose between being a father and and doing this show and making all this money. And he said, that's your choice. I said, not even a question. Very interesting kind of role reversal there, because many women would experience this I think it's wrong

all the way around. And I think are our family court system in California specifically, because that's the only one I've been through, is handled in correctly. I think it's made to make the party's adversarial as opposed to working together and really what's in the children's best interest, And I don't think that really happens. Mom's making an appearance. There's Mom. They are so cute. We're gonna go up because we're in Las Vegas and it's March Madness starting today.

A couple of basketball bets on. I know, what about Tom Brady coming back? Why does that irritate me so much? Why am I not like? I'm so like what? Dude? I love it? I love it for so many reasons. First of all, he's the greatest of all time. He really is the goat um. He is such a gentleman, such a great guy. And his wife, gells amazing and fantastic, and I got to interview her on the Today Show when I was hosting, and she's just lovely and Tom

is a sweetheart of a guy. There's a lot of things that play there when you really think about what he did. So he retired. That changes the whole dynamic with what they're gonna do free agency wise, what people are thinking, what's going on and then coming back. I mean all the jokes are, hey, the guy spent forty days at home with the wife and kids, just like nope, I'm going back on. I get the jokes. I don't think that's the case at all, and they support him.

It's a finite period of time where you can play this game. He's done it longer and better than anybody. God bless him for that. And if he's got a couple more years in him, do it, buddy. Just some gamesmanship in the free agency there really could have been and I think that's important, you know, because they get him back. That changes the entire Yeah, it really does everything.

The whole world is different because Brady's back. I feel like, do you think he just went home and was like it was like he was hemming and highing and then he like went one win and he's like, I don't want to do that. Why did I do that? I don't think Tom does that. I don't think Tom does that. I think Tom had it in his mind. He's like, look, I'll just retire and take my my money and the things and so on and so forth, and then I'll make a decision. When I to make a decision. Look

at all the news it made when he retired. What if he didn't say anything? What if he didn't retire? And then here he goes going, Yeah, I'm gonna come back for another year. Okay, right right right? Why not make all the news? Why not making a big deal. They were already talking about the movies he's gonna produce and things like that. So I think he's did I just I think he's working on a movie. I don't want to, like speak out of school, but I think

I just heard like he's working. I got. I don't want to I think he's as an actor or as Yes, I might have misheard it, so I don't want to like he might be producing it. Yeah, oh my goodness, I can't move whatever. You that so far? Sounding a little bit like you? That's what I was gonna say. How do you stay so handsome? Like? How come you don't look one day older than Rick? I got lucky with the hair man. I'll tell you what. All my

friends from Prince didn't like. I just cut my hair there like hair You're like, why is it not gray? I'm like, I don't know. You know who? We had Andrews shoe on and his hair was impressive also was it? Yeah, he looks good. He's a good dude. He's a he's a smart guy, a good guy. You have like, yeah, no, great in a full head. Yeah, I cut it. I got they didn't do. I'm not really happy with my hair cut. But we won't get into that. You got to thank your mom for that. My mom's blonde. Other

exact same jeans. He's got grey. He's got a lot of great He worries more than I do, att more stress in his life. He doesn't self. Where do you think Rick? Where do you think Rake? His today? Oh? Rick's doing well. He's married with six kids, the CFO some big giant company. And at night when he's alone, having like a nice tequila by himself, he sits at the piano and he plays great balk of Fire and he thinks of Brenda. Brenda Dubois is what he knew.

I can't remember the last name, but it's impressive. God, Okay, we're packing my life Jenny rapid fire game with them, and then I need to come I need to call Dean to do the Lois and Clark rewatch podcast. When's that happening? That was so much fun. I'll do that while I'm setting me up with your wife and the

whole thing. I'm just gonna make it a service. I accept m h Okay, We're gonna ask you some questions, all right, favorite character from nine two one man, it's gotta be there, Luca, Luca, Jason, saw Brandon, give me Brandon. I'll give it to Jason. Okay, good, Okay. So that that that leads me to what are you team Dylan or team Brandon? Well, you know the answered that team Brandon of course. All right, uh, favorite cast member, not character, favorite cast member Luke. He was just so cool, he

was so sweet. Good dude. Yeah, And you're gonna have to ask them this next one because you know I hate this part is this kiss? Mary kicked to the curb? Okay, So I'm down. All right. So you've got like, now are we doing Kelly or Jenny? Let's do characters? Character character? Brenda, Kelly, Donna, Andrea? Who do you want to kiss? Who do you want to marry? Which means like do it? And then who do you want to forever get rid of and nobody gets upset. No, we don't care. I don't care. You

can kick me your right type of curb. There's zero chance you're getting kicked to the current. I'm just deciding whether I want to say I want to kiss you. Were married you, so I was gonna go there. I would say, Mary Kelly, I love it. Nice kiss Brenda because you did. And I guess I'd have to kick Andrea to the curb. All right, good solid answers, really good. Tory was just too damn young in jail. You'll get in trouble for that. You'll have to arrest yourself. It's

so great to catch up with your dean. It's awesome. I'm glad I was able to get on here and yes and speak with you. And it's just fun to reminisce. And I think it's a wonderful thing to celebrate and reminisce about. I do too, and I hope that our paths cross on a Christmas movie set here amazing. Recreate

the TV guide. Well, then you can pick like former something or others that back in the day that was the thing they did, and you know, start figuring out right now, right down right down right that ship right now. You're a big producer. Now come on, yeah, Dean, I can get it made. I promise you that scoop back dress is coming at you. That's the whole thing. Decades. That's a lot like work back Mountains. I don't know, yes, but no, Oh my god, you guys are the best.

I would love to have a Hallmark or a Lifetime movie with Jenny and Dean. Oh my gosh, Well, good luck with your march madness what. I don't know what's going to happen, but it sounds it's gonna be crazy with mom and dad downstairs. You know it's that it's because you can bet here in Vegas so easily. And my dad's a huge basketball fan, so you know, I love to spend time with my dad and hang out with him and my son. Fortunately, my twenty one year

old son loves to spend time with his dad. So that's the kind of thing that the three of us would go over there if my son wasn't in college being a good boy. Well he's in college. I'm not sure he's been a good boy. There school in North Carolina at High Point University and he's doing great, and I'm going to go see him there next week. Good for you that I teach at his school. I'm what they call an innovator in residence. I teach filmmaking and acting and hosting and all right, are you real? Are

you real? God? Straight up superman? Darn rights, Thank god, thank you guys are the best. Thank you so much, Dean. I enjoyed it tremendously. Jenny's wonderful to see you, Amy, Thank you for all your compliments. Man, have a glass of one of those things behind you, because I'm about it's audio book all day. I think it is time for the Lewis and Clark rewatch. I'm down. I'm gonna be calling. I'm not calling up. You know the number, darn right. Alright, Dean, have a good day. Good to

see you, cheers. Oh my god, Jenny, I'm so sorry. I got so excited. I didn't even know what to do with myself, Like, oh my god, stop talking. I'd like Diarry of the mouth. I don't know what's wrong with me. You a hot guy comes on to our zoom here and you lose your shoe? What happened to me? Like you guys, I have to apologize everyone listening. I literally just was I talking like so crazy. It's easy to tell. He's very easy to talk to me. He's

very charismatic and and well he's handsome. He's so dreamy. He's very knowledgeable, Like he's very intelligent. He is like in company Andrew Shoe for dreamiest guest of all time. I think that's what we need to just focus on moving forward, is just continuing to have dreamy guys that we interviewed, like Job was unashamed, like I am fully sweating in the face, like I don't know, just in your face, Like my face is so flushed and hot. Yeah I'm not like gross sweat. But it was like,

I hope everyone long time like I did. I think they do. I think he has a really strong but I must apologize I cut you off like forty two times because I was so I was so excited that I don't know what came up because it was so cool right from the start. Yeah, he's a cool dude.

Like his parents walking around behind him. That's the best part of the whole fad, you guys his I wanted to be like, is your mom making your bent to like his parents were so freaking cute, and the mom was full in the laundry, and then the mom and dad were like back and forth shuffling in the backgrounds. There's must be so proud of him, a Princeton football player, sametime movie actor and worships them. He's like, I just like to be with my parents and my kid. I'm like,

excuse me, what, like, jeez, what the sounds crazy? I hope you liked it. Oh yeah, yeah, wait, so I should explain I loved it. But okay, so we did that because Tori's off this week, so Tori will be back. We have not forgotten the Brenda Kelly debate, and then we'll get back on track rewatching these episodes. Yes, I feel very I'm all twitter because we've been doing all these nine o two one on ones, which was our new idea, nine O two one on one. But it's like, yeah,

so we got a little off track. So everybody listening, We're gonna do the debate Brenda versus Kelly. We want all the Brenda people to explain how dumb I am, and then we'll be back rewatching. We want to hear it. We want to hear from all the sides. Also, you guys, Jenny looks so perfect today and Dean looked so hot, and then Randy had the TV guide and I was just like, is this just like Supermodel City? Like that was crazy, ridiculous. Do you want to see what I'm

wearing on my lower half? Okay, We're just it's a really expensive red hoodie, perfect Amazon. You can't see it. White shorts, Eagles shorts. Can you see it? Oh my god, They're not dissimilar to the same shorts that a one um Steve Sanders might have worn back in the day. Really, they're just two inches shorter. Those would be full Steve Sanders. I got the liner in there and everything. Oh my god, I had the best time today. Crap. Okay,