It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Today we have a very special guest star. It's Kathy Podewell, who was wait Gent the names. She was Ginger, she was Tina, she was Adrian, she was Marla good memory on the episode through the Bathroom Windows in our one show. But she was also she was also Jare's second wife, cal Ewing on the hit show Dallas. So we are so glad that you are with us. Kathy, thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule. My pleasure to
see both of you, beautiful ladies. I know it's been a few years, like thirty, yeah, last thirty, Yeah, just thirty. Do you have an age? Oh my gosh, look at exactly the same. Great, it's crazy. I like you guys so much. We're here to make you a boost your confidence. Now today we're so happy because we just watched, uh, the episode that you were and she came in through the bathroom window and they're talking about you. So obviously most of the episodes we haven't seen in thirty years
because we don't always rewatch the shows. So when this name came up, we were like, she came into the bathroom window what's that going to be about? And then literally she went out of the bathroom window several times. How did you fit through that little window? Amazing right, magic of television. Um, but we didn't. I think that was kind of an unusual episode. A we didn't work together,
so you guys were off. I think that Magic Mountain, if I recall in that ice and so I've heard from people that it is sort of more of an unmu rule kind of episode, So I could see why. You guys will remember the leading from from that. We were just so stoked to be at Magic Mountain filming that we didn't think about anybody else at that moment. But now watching the show back you you were all over that episode. It was all about you, this new person on the show that came in to the peach
pit and then you're just in. It felt like every scene with all the guys was such a great role for you, probably so much fun. First of all, as you know, those guys are fantastic, and I remember them
being so sweet and welcoming. So we had a great time and as you could see, all the hijinks and the the mouth washed Marcial to me was the absolute most mamorial part of that st Yeah, understand, Jenna and I lived for this, like the physical comedy, so like put a costume on us, we are so happy, especially were a ridiculous costume like the one you had to were you what were you addressed as a journaia curious? Even worse than a jerm I think, yes, you're a
giant ball of bacteria. Now you were already on Dallas when you did this role. Correct, Yes, I actually had had worked for about six years. I had a new baby when I got the call to do n not you went out. I he was a year old and I hadn't worked the whole time. I was feeling very unsure about what working going back to work was gonna look like for me. I thought I wanted to just be a stay at home mom. My husband traveled like
three out of the four weeks of every month. So I got a call from the casting director, well through my agent, and I think it was Diane is that who Okay? And she had cast me years before in a two part of us sort of growing Pains. And I got the call from my agent and it was like they kind of were just sort of offering me the job, you know, like, how how often does that happen?
So of course they said yes, and I had to go I think, to the to the office just to meet with her, UM where I basically found out that Jason was going to be directing. So it was his directorial debut, which is also a memorable part of this um this episode. Yeah, so and and and the nicest part of the whole thing for me was the casting director had remembered that I was easy going, easy to work with. She had heard good things about the Growing Pains shoot, and she wanted no drama, no diva for Jason.
You know. She wanted somebody to come in and just be like chill, which I think I am. So that's sort of why I got the call and why um I got to dress up in as a germ with Luke and I M, what a lucky lady. Wow, that's a good story. Yes, it was his directing debut. I had forgotten about that, And it makes so much sense now when when we recapped the show, it makes so much more sense that he was do That's just because it had such a light, like mad cap sort of
fun guys sensibility to it. I mean, it really just the whole episode just felt like the guys to me, like their their sense of somebody doing their three stooges. Exactly did you meet Jason before he started or how did he handle that? I don't think I did. Actually, I think it was just the casting director and she just was like, I'm I'm happy me to have you because it will be nice to Jason, and um, I think I just arrived on set. I mean, honestly, I
the bulur of well A, it's thirty years ago. But also I was a new mom and you know, as you both know, I believe you were both mothers that you're a little hey, you know crazy. I didn't have a nannie. I wasn't really set up to like go back to work. So my dear friend had a nanny and she was going to be home that week, so she said, bring my son Dakota to me. So I had somebody that I was nursing. So that whole thing was like, okay, what's that gonna look like? And you know,
he was a year old, so it's okay. He didn't really like nurse for new trans um. But and then as as so that's kind of where my head was. But Once I got on set, you know, it was like riding a bicycle, got back on. The guys were so great and it was just a I mean, I was gonna say it was uneventful in the in the sense of so easy and easy. They're easy to work with, but I did, of course, because I was so nervous
about taking that week off. We had to do reshoots, and I remember that They're like, oh, yeah, so the whole germ sequence, mouthwash sequence, We're gonna have to reshoot. Really why, I can't remember what the deal was what happened, but it was like, oh, they need you for another week, so it was like another week. I mean, it was great, but it was definitely like, Okay, call my friend, get that all set up. So you could have brought the
baby to us. We love babies, so in hindsight, had I know, I don't think I would have trusted us with your baby at that time. We weren't quite ready to be responsible yet, and you guys were in Magic Mountain, so you know, have been with the guys, I don't know. I'm sure that having you know, hearing all that and where you were emotionally and mentally, like, I'm sure coming back onto a set was so nerve wracking, as I
can relate for sure, I know Tori can too. And I'm sure that the guys made you feel so comfortable because that's what they did, and they were so complementary and welcoming and just loving. I imagine that that did help a lot. So I'm glad that that was your entry back in exactly exactly. I mean, they couldn't have been, you know, a sweeter group of actors to work with, Yes, and embrace the chemistry you had was all three of them. It's like it's remarkable, Like who could have planned that?
It was so great? I know, it's like exactly, yeah, we definitely forget us. Yeah, I remember, and I remember so so vividly that probably date three or four, when it was just grooving, Luke had said to me, you know, it's a bummer, and I'm like, what, because I'm doing a movie and literally last week they cast the role of my wife and you would have been perfect for it. And it was for eight seconds. He so I missed
that opportunity to hang it. But that's I know, and that's how sweet he was, like, Oh, you know, weird, I'm gonna let you know. This is how great I feel about our working relationship that I'm going to tell you, like you just missed out on the streat thing but whatever. But you know, it was so it was so sweet at him. There were times when you were on screen
and I was like, wait is that me? And then there were times when you were on screen I was like, hey, she looks like Alicia Silverstone, like you have this beautiful like you. I don't know, but my husband walked in while I was watching your episode and he was like, wait, does that thought the same thing? I think it was the bag. Thank you? That is so thank me, thank you,
thank you. Yeah, that's very funny. Yeah, I've I've heard that before, Like you know, I got a little Jenny Garth in you so yeah sweet wait but not Alysia silver Still you know a lot of LASiS. Yeah, definitely good call to me. Yeah yeah, um, you know I
was thinking about again in prepping. I didn't watch the episode, but I remember that Burr Reynolds does come in at the end, and I remember thinking, or at least I've been wondering if if at that time I was so excited or was I a professional actress because I don't have a memory. Does this happen to you, guys where you think back about the amazing act as you've worked with, and you like pinch yourself now in a way that
you didn't in the moment because you were young. Do you know what I'm saying upon reflection in our you know, more mature face of our life looking back at a career and that you worked with, going, oh did I not freak out? You hugged him, you fully, like, just got a big old Burt Reynolds hug. Oh h, I got to touch Burt Reynolds. But that's what I'm saying. I don't remember at the time other than he was
Reynolds and a huge star. I remember fan girling me now with like geek out bay more like, oh my god,
it's for rentals. I think that I didn't. I think that you weren't aware, Yeah, but are you just weren't aware of his impact on the history of television and film, Like I remember we weren't even in the scene when Burt Reynolds came in, And I can remember going and watching from behind the camera just to see Bert Rynolds, like I was so excited, but even more excited now, like you're saying, like more excited now to see him
on than I was that. Has that happened? Have you guys, have you looked back over the show and like, has there been somebody that was undiscovered who's now a name or something like that, Like, has that happened where it's also that that you didn't realize in the moment that this person was going to go on to be ye Jen? Who was that? U? There's been a few. There's been a few Jessica Alba, oh, Hilary Swank. Yeah, and they've been I mean, I'm sure there's more every all the time.
Whenever I'm around like actors that are kind of my age, I'll hear inevitably from one of them, Oh yeah, I was on an episode of your show, or I was on and I'm like, whoa, sorry, I don't remember. It's the worst feeling. I didn't mean to put you guys on the spot or anything, but it's it's it must be so much fun forcing your brains, your mommy brains, to go back to these episodes and relive it kind of right appreciation. Yeah, you said you didn't watch this
episode not for not today? Yeah, no, I haven't seen it since it air, Yeah, but you did watch it originally or you didn't want to see it. I think I did. I think I did, Yeah, because I can, I can. I remember there was a crying scene in the bathroom. Or maybe it's just in my head and I'm remembering the acting, but I think I did. You didn't cry, you cried. Yeah, Okay, that was a great scene too. You were sitting on the toilet crying. Yeah, and you're a pretty cryer, so it was good. Yeah. Thanks.
Do you get recognized from your that role from being nine on two one O? My funniest story about this being recognized on this show was the fact that I've been a mom for stay at home mom, I would actually, I have to say, I think I know to one
out sort of nailed that coffin closed. I think once I had to do the reshoots, it really made me evaluate and decide that, yeah, I'm gonna give this mommy thing a because being torn and like having that, or my agents were getting frustrated because I'd be like, no, that's shooting in Canada. I'm not gonna audition for that. You know, they just want to send you out and book you and they don't want to hear that you
don't want to go out for this or that. So it's funny and I know to want out basically cemented that I want to just stay home. And so I did our show made you want to quit the business? Basically pretty much? Yeah, no, no, no, we've had that effect. Yeah no, no no, I just you know, that instability of not knowing or or just now having that kind
of up. Like I said, my husband traveled, so totally understandable. Yeah, it's hard to to work and be a mom, especially a new mommy, and go on a set like it's a it's a different work environment. So there's a lot of different elements to it that people don't really realize. But very admirable of you to be able to define that because you went on to have other children, right I did? I did? I have? I have three, three kids. And that's what I was gonna say when you said,
do I ever get recognized? So I just was in mommy mode for all these years. I did PT president the elementary school and all of that, and it was every so often a rerun would come on and I get a mother tappy me quite oh my god, you were an actress and I saw you on blah blah blah.
So I do have a mom who's a huge and I know too, want know fan Lilyle you know who you are, and she like blasts every time she takes the screenshot if every time it's on and she sees so she's really free and she's a huge fan and recognized for Dallas all the time. Not so much, I know that all the time. No, I mean in my world, so you know, I I don't. I don't kind of get out of my bubble that often and and if I do, it's for an event, so it'll be you know,
a Dallas Greenian thing or you know. So then then obviously people here care you. I mean, come on, And that was all before um you guys, so like I said, you know that that was that was a good run. It was supposed to be for seven episodes and they kept me on for three years, so that was really Yeah,
that was a nice deal. Again, also very great cast, super sweet had been together, you know, like you guys said, I think this was season three and my correct, yes, So you guys were all read of a family and whenever a cast, a big, large cast like you guys are Dallas are established, and they've been together as a family to welcome in a you know, one time actor for for an episode, um so graciously as you all did,
uh is. And that's how I felt on Dallas. I felt super super lucky to um, you know, be working with these fantastic human beings. That's good. That's good to hear. Because I was going to ask you how different were the two sets, like the energy or the vibes on the two sets, because Dallas was such a huge show in its time and Tuna was such a big show in its time. Um well, obviously the energy was different in the sense that you guys were young. It was
a young cast, an ensemble of young actors. And uh. With Dallas, I was working with some right legend obviously television legends, but also screen legends. Howard Keel was um j R. Stuck dad and you know seven brides were seven brothers. I mean, Hollywood Royalty, huge um mark in the industry, not to you know, not just Larry Hagnant who you would it was linked to Gray or Patrick Duffy, but the ensemble for that cast is like, yeah, amazing,
so different. I felt, I felt older on your set, because I was a little bit older than all of you, and I felt way younger on death that it was a different it was a way different vibe, but still, like I said, embracing and loving. And you know, you hear all these diva stories of sets, and I'm just really lucky the jobs and the shows I've worked on,
I didn't witness any of that. I think you have such an, like you said before, an easy going, sort of natural friendly energy about you that that brings that to you probably and I don't. I can't imagine you being caught up in a drama situation and that that's really cool thing for sure. Who the three boys was the most memorable or or welcoming or you know, they all are, But that's a really good question. It was
the funniesta. They were all sort of vying for your attention, and I was like, wait, are they being like misogynistic piggies right now? Or is this flattering? I I couldn't really. I mean, in this day and age, it would be probably seen as the first, but I don't think it was meant that way back then you were you were it was like a fresh piece of meat walked into
the peach pit and everybody freaked out. Yea, so funny it is, isn't it crazy how you watch things now and you're like, um, yeah, that makes me feel weird a little questionable. So I can't answer. I know, on the set, I didn't feel any of that good. But that's funny. I I need to go. I should have
watched the episode. I'm really sorry that I but that's interesting that you would, you would sort of pick up on I think now I'm just too sensitive to it all, like with my you know, with the kids these days, and microaggression and uh, masculine, toxic, masculine, all these words that go on in my household that I'm a little too sensitive to it now. Yeah, no, I know it happens here too. I can't remember what it was the
other day, my girls were appalled. It's something funny. Think if it was like a sign Feld skit or something or even friends. I can't remember what it was, but they were like, oh, you know, so yeah, where everybody's just got like open, you know, nerve endings to all of that. Right now? How old are your kids? Uh?
Youngest is heading off to college next week. So oh the blast one doesn't make a bond, so I could look a little rifleshed, even though I'm like in her closet taking stuff out, dust cat here, trying to get her path. So she leaves next week. She's twenty. Then that's my baby. Then I have a twenty eight year old girl, and Dakota is thirty. Boy. So, and what about you guys, how old are your kids? Geez? They range?
What's the range to our? I have the oldest. So my oldest is twenty five and your youngest is wow and everything. I believe you have a twenty five year old. That's amazing. Well, we have a third year old. I know, it's weird. It's weird. We started, we started young, Yes, that's it. Yeah. So you think you'll ever go back to acting? Well, so the plan always was when my when my kids were out of the house, here we go. Yeah,
but I don't even know what that looks like. Are you guys working, because it's changed so much, and I'm sure you still have your ages. But it's for me, it's going to be starting over. It's like head Shots Agent, the whole shebang. I think it's doable. It's it's just a definitely a different landscape out there right now. Plus it's everything is self tape, which is frightening when it's you know, you're not that tech savvy. Yeah you can. You can go into a place and they'll they'll help you.
Yeah yeah, yeah. Somebody said, have you considered being an influencer? Because that's all the rage right now. I know that what do we say, gents, slide into your d M. You know you've got this. It'll be it'll be an interesting transition for you in so many ways because while you've had your two oldest kids leave the nest, now that the last one to leave the nest, and you're going to be looking at a lot of big decisions about you, which is something that you probably haven't done
in a while. Yeah, for sure, for sure, it is. It is something I've said for so long that I can only you know, I only have this time with my kids and while they're here and you know, in my house, and then I have the rest of my life to be an actress. And then all of a sudden it's done and it's time for the rest of my life. And it is kind of little, a little daunting, like what does that look like? So I'm excited. You get to define it, you get to do whatever you
want to do, and that's the cool part about it. No, you're right, You're right. I do have a little glitch. I my mom lives with us and she has Alzheimer's, so that is now kind of I do have one person left to worry about taking care that. It's very similar to me my I as my all my kids are leaving the nest. Now my mom is coming back into the nest, and it's like, wait, when am I going to get my life back? Exactly exactly. Wrestling with that is tough because you you know you're doing the
right thing. Um, but it's also like, hey, my turn, you know. So it's all good, it's all good, very blessed, and it's a it's a a good struggle, you know. I'm blessed that I can. I can make those choices and figure it out. So well, you're a very gifted actress. So we hope that you return to the acting world. Thank you. I hope so true. Your energy is so fun. You're you're adorable. Okay, say people are adorable? Do people like that? I like that you're adorable and take it.
Yeah yeah, really really really fun. And I think we met briefly all those years ago, and we did. I think we were in a scene. Yes, I'm not sure if Kelly was there, I don't remember. I just watched it last night and I can't remember if I was in I think remember if you guys were in this was definitely in it. I don't remember actually having a scene, but maybe we did have a scene. No, we just I was like, we did a scene. But if I was in it, I know Tori was in it. It
was like we had all known each other forever. There was no introduction of our characters to one another. It was just like as if we had been friends forever. So that was a little weird, but it felt very comfortable. It feels like it was like a cliffhanger. We should like know where you went? Whose car? Right? All right? Get get writing for it. We'll bring just back that one episode cliffhanger. Imagine how many episodes did you guys do? Uh? I don't know. We should know that, we should really
know that. To her, I'm sorry, I am asking challenging questions. You are. Here's a challenging question, when did you get married? Because you've been married a long time, lady nine, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, we met in eighty six. Yeah, right after I moved here, or after I moved here, so long time, longtime. Speaking of husband's and my husband Tory, our husband's like golf. A couple of months ago, evidently really, my husband came home and said he found out it.
I guess at the end of the round. But he he said, he was the nicest guy, such a sweetheart. He just thought he was what's your husband's name, Steve? Steve. He wouldn't. I don't think he would know. They don't know the Calabasas country Club. Yes, okay, no, we live on the west side Robertson. But he semi retired and that was like the best place to play, so he joined a couple of months ago. I know that sounds
so l at. My husband joined the country club and met your husband, and so, well, maybe I'll get to see you then one day at the country club. I'll keep my eye out. I've only been one time. So do you golf? I do not gen golf? You do? Yeah, I have seen you golf. Excuse me, She sank uh twenty ft put when I golf with her last time, so she gave me some tips that helped me. But I don't think it's in my destiny. Just really good golfer. I don't think any golfer would say it's in their destiny.
And the amount of complaining my husband does about his golf game, it's like the highs and the lows of golf are like too much, too much, Yeah, too much? You played, j I do? I do? That's so good. Well, hopefully we'll play together someday. I'm roller skating right now, so I'm kind of into roller skating, so I don't know if golf is in my future. But yeah, I tried a long time ago. My my grandfather was a pro golfer, so in college I tried and I was not very good. So it's not in my jeans. But
let's go to the roller ring. Come to come roller skate. Well, thank you so much for visiting with us today, and I know our fans are going to be so stoked to hear from you. I appreciate it. It was so lovely. I'll see you, okay. I'll keep an eye out on the golf course or some bathroom window or some bathroom window that's right now. Never again only that time, Bye, thank you,
