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They will take on the second seed, the New York Knicks, beginning on Saturday and Monday, games one and two of that series, which we'll definitely get into more specifically with Pat O'Keeffe from Nicks Radio. But that game against Miami one oh five, one oh four, what did you call it on social media? The Brickenford, the brick.
Chicken, Nick Batum Bowl? I don't know. I got a shout out our friends at the Right Striky Sanchez podcast who called it lepoule. That's what they called the game.
I thought that was hilarious. There was a way better way to say what I said. Well, this team has now won nine straight games, and Nick Batum Niko Batoum, as most of his teammates and coaches call him, played a huge role seventeen of his twenty points we're in the second half, six three pointers, key defensive plays as well, the way that he plays defense, always plus the block
on Tyler Hero. It was cool to hear that the Sixers coaches informed him in the huddle of the play that the heat ended up running and that's a heat team that you don't always know what they're going to do.
Well, let me just cut you off and shout out the coaching staff again, because there is so much prep that goes into these moments, right and you look at the play in that's a game you're not sure you're going to have to play, and then once you realize you have to play it, you're still not sure who your opponent might be. You finally figure out your opponent. You don't have a ton of time right to learn every single tendency that this team might have and might
rely on in every single situation in the game. So I'm sure that they showed other plays, other plays to other players in that final timeout. And again we're talking about Nico Bittoom's block on Tyler Hero as the clock was expiring for at least one of the time that the clock was expiring down the stretch in this game.
But the fact that, for those that don't know, the coaching staff showed Nico this exact play and said, this is what we think Tyler Hero is going to do, This is where we think he's going to come from, this is which direction we think he's going to be going, and this is how quickly he's going to shoot it. For Nico to go to the podium after the game and say, well, I knew he was going to do that. The coaches showed me that a minute before, and then
he did it. That is such good game prep, Like, so much goes into this, and this is the video coordinators, this is the player development coaches, this is the assistant coaches, this is head coach Nick Nurse putting together a system that works. And it was so cool to see that
moment get executed the way that these coaches. And again, they're preparing for countless situations, right, So they're preparing for different teams in this game, right, it could have been different teams, it could have been different players, it could have been different lineups with the ball, it could have been a different amount of time on the clock. And they have a plan for every single one of those scenarios.
So to see them get to carry out their preparation in this way, I just love that Nico then gave them the immediate flowers on the podium after the game.
It was just cool. It was really cool to see Joelle Embiid had a double digit fourth quarter max. He had his moments with some crafty finishes, but Buttom was obviously huge in this game. And to the point about game planning, this is a one game at a time type coaching staff, the game in front of you, the
series in front of you. But I will say that in a recent media availability, head coach Nick Nurse was asked about like a March Madness style approach where you have members of your staff kind of working on potential future opponents, and he did reveal that they do that in the Eastern Conference while maintaining that one game at a time approach, but even to the point where they have people working on potential Western Conference teams as well.
He said that heading into the playoffs, it just something to store in the back of your mind that the opponents will never sneak up on this Sixers group as they embark on what is hopefully a two month journey. Something else that Nick Nurse has said and is familiar
with from his time in Toronto. Before we get into our conversation with Pat O'Keeffe and talk Nix, how about how everyone was able to pinpoint the momentum change that the Chick fil a brick and for Chicken provided literally in the moment.
Literally not just me.
I will take credit. I said, I leaned to you and said that, But then the tweets started flying from everyone who covers this team objectively.
Everyone could feel it.
Well, it's interesting, Matt, because one of the playoff cliches that we're used to hearing is how much every possession matters, single possession games, single possession opportunity, including when someone goes to the line missus two free throws boom. The Sixers didn't have to do anything except get a loud crowd behind them, right, and hopefully that impacted the miss free throws.
But the way the two miss free throws can completely change the momentum, and then of course to then follow it up, I'll remind you that the Sixers then, of course were able to tack on a quick five points right after the brick and for chicken moment. But each of those possessions putting them together, shifting the entire game, now, shifting the entire path that the Sixers would have to a potential two month playoff run. Right, Every single possession
really does matter in these situations. And as we look ahead to a New York Knicks team that has played the Sixers so tough all season long, games that have already felt like single possession games throughout against this Knicks team, And of course it's a similar situation to what we dealt with when we talked about Sixers Heat. Neither team fully healthy in any of their meetings against one another, and guys coming in and out of lineups, guys coming
back from injuries, guys getting traded. This is almost a fresh series the same way that the Heat Sixers play in game was a fresh opportunity between two really interestingly matched teams.
And now more on the Sixers and the Knicks with Pat O'Keefe pleas to be joined by Pat O'Keeffe from Knicks Radio and jumping into this Sixers Knicks series with the latest trend Pat. The end of the regular season was obviously interesting with the overtime game for the Knicks to get up to the two seed. What is the latest with this team as they awaited their first round opponent that is now the Sixers.
Yeah, well, it's certainly an interesting first round opponent, but I think once the Knicks secured that two seed with that overtime went over the Bulls, that was going to be the case either way, because you set yourself up knowingly for either the seventy six Ers or the Heat, two teams that, when fully healthy, present a significant amount of challenges, and that's certainly the case with Philadelphia. But then, of course, the key phrase there is you know when
fully healthy. You know, the numbers are pretty well documented. The Sixers record when the big guy plays thirty two to eight overall, So if you play that out over the course of an eighty two game season, Philadelphia might very well be the number two seed. But look, as it's unfolding, we were well aware of all of the scenarios.
Obviously the final day of the regular season, and by the way, the NBA with the games on Friday and then the games on Sunday, I thought it was fantastic just in terms of scoreboard watching and so many unknown variables.
And you know, the last game of the one o'clock batch to finish was the Knicks and the Bulls, So you know, we knew if they lost that game, it was the three seed and it was going to be the Pacers, and if they won that game, it was the two seed against either the Heat or the seventy six Ers. It's just not in the nature of this Knicks team, and more specifically, it's not in the nature of the Knicks head coach to do anything but go one hundred percent to win the game that is in
front of you every single time. So the way it played out didn't surprise me at all. And here we are setting up a really fascinating first round series.
And pat to pull back the curtain a little bit. It was actually really cool because, for whatever reason, the Sixers game that started at the same time as the knixt game finished at a much earlier like there was a there was like a five minute buffer even before the overtime period started. So the Sixers go back into the locker room and mediately the game is on, which I think was really cool to sort of watch our guys await their opponent and like you said, playing that hard,
understanding what the implications could possibly be. The way other teams might handle a specific situation plays into the reputation that this Knicks team has developed, this tough team, this gritty team. So from sort of if you had to go bird's eye view of this next team, maybe for Sixers fans that haven't seen a ton of Knicks basketball outside of their regular season series, what are the biggest points to watch for what makes this Knicks team exciting?
To watch. Well, you know the description I just gave about Tom Fhibodeaux in terms of how he approaches each and every game. The team has certainly taken on his personality regarding that, and it starts with the point guard, it starts with Jalen Brunson, and he's known Tom Fibodau for his entire life, so in many ways, he's kind
of been brought up under him. And you know, right now, at this point in time, over the last ten to fifteen games of the regular season, after the news that you know, Julius Randall, your second offensive option is out for the rest of the season, Jalen Brunson has become singularly over this ten to fifteen game stretch, I think, the most important player to his team among any players in the NBA, especially for the load that he has to carry offensively and in the playoffs that is not
as easily implemented. So that's going to be one of the really intriguing storylines of this series. Can he continue to play at that level? I mean, historically players tend to not be able to continue that level of playing the postseason, when there's more time to focus on a specific matchup or a specific team, and plus the fact that you're playing against the teams that are among the best in the NBA, which the seventy six ers certainly
fall into that category when fully healthy. So the Knicks are going to need the secondary scoring, and it's been Dante DiVincenzo has been that secondary scorer ogn Andobi has brought such versatility and skillfulness to the defensive end. But I think there's an area where you are going to look for secondary scoring as well. And then I think a next factor off the bench for this Knicks team is going to be boy On Bogdanovic, and his role hasn't been what it has been for him historically. He
has had a really good career. He's won a twenty two active NBA players to fifteen hundred career three pointers. But on this next team, where Tom Fiboda likes to play a really tight rotation, there's not a lot of minutes available to guys off of the bench. But Bogdanovich is I think the guy in the Knicks roster who can most closely give you what Julius Randall gave you just in terms of offensive production and offensive creativity. So the minutes that he is going to be out there,
and they used to. They like to stagger those minutes. So when Runson's on the bench, Bogdanovic is generally on the court because a lot of times he's the focal point of the offense in those few minutes when he's out there, he can be a big X factor in this series as well. And one of his best games as a Nick was that first game after the All Star break down in Philadelphia when the Knicks went down there and beat the Sixers and Bogdanovic had I think
twenty two points off the bench in that game. That was one of his best games since coming over in the draft, the trade deadline trade.
And then they also had the two games set in mid March. What was your reaction to the seventy nine to seventy three game.
I was waiting for the fourth quarter to start when I saw the score and I'm like, oh wait, that was something. How that was lowest scoring game in the NBA at that point. I imagine nothing surpassed that this season.
It was just an ugly game, you know, and look the Knicks and the seventy six ers, I think to a lesser extent, but teams like the Knicks, and you know, last year their second round playoff series against the Heat, we saw a lot of those you know, rock fight type games like drag it out, long possessions, but nothing to the extent of seventy nine to seventy three. I think a big part of that was just a matter
of nobody was hitting shots that night. It was an ugly game, and then then of course they had the game two days later. That game was significant because that was the game that ogan Andobi returned after or his first lengthy absence. And you know I mentioned and you guys are well aware of the record with him be playing thirty two and eight when Ogannobi plays for the Knicks. The Knicks are twenty and three this season, and one of those three losses was a rare game that Jalen
Bronson didn't play. So when I think of the second of that two game series at the Garden between the Knicks and the seventies six ers, the return of og an Andobi, that and Josh Hart's nineteen rebound performance sticks out to me.
And that was the game Maxie came back from the concussion, so he didn't play in the first one.
That's right, New York.
And Embi didn't play in either of those, but with the the Maxie Brunts and Brunson bounced back from game one to game two in that in the games at the Garden. But with Brunson, Philadelphia fans are familiar with him obviously, but his second year with the Knicks. How has it been to see him from last year to this year? Every day?
It's incredible. I can't believe how good of a player he is. You know, Knicks fans rightfully so were excited when they got when the Knicks got him, just you know, for what he had done in Dallas, especially in the playoffs the year before, the fact that he was bringing stability to a position in New York that had not been there in nearly two decades. It took him, and I've referred to this a lot, it took him probably fifteen or twenty games his first season in New York
to find his footing. You know, was Randall's team. Randall was the All NBA player, and Randall was the All Star. Runson't the kind of guy who's not going to walk into a situation and say, Okay, it's my team now. By the way, he still doesn't do that. It's even though it's clear to everybody that it is his team right now. So it took him a little while to
fine his footing in New York. It probably cost him an All Star appearance his first year, even though he was under consideration, just missed out on being All NBA.
But by the end of year one for Brunson, when the Knicks lost in the second round to the Heat in six games, I mean, Brunson had a couple of forty point performances at the end of that series, and it was clear that he had elevated to a different stratosphere in the NBA and where he ended last season, he is so far and away above that this year. It's simply incredible. And you don't even hear the conversations anymore where where the Knicks need a superstar, or you know,
it used to be the Knicks need a star. Clearly they have one, and they have two All Stars on their roster, even though one of them is not able to play in this series. But this is a guy who I think is going to be top five and MVP voting. Maybe he won't be First team All NBA, but if he's not, he's certainly going to be second team All NBA in an extremely deep year for that
type of voting. When you consider your guys like Shay Gilders, Alexander and Luka Doncic that he's competing with for those spots. I mean, he's among this season one of the top five to eight players in the NBA, so he's reached I mean, that superstar status in this era. This is such a fun team to cover to call because they're good guys and I know it's kind of cliche to say when you're around them all the time, but they're
very easy to root for. You know, they obviously have the strong Villanova connection, Jalen and Josh Hard and Dante Divinceanzo especially, you know Hart and Brunson with the Roommates podcast and all that. They're kind of goofballs in a very endearing way. They don't take themselves too seriously at all. It's very challenging to in a postgame interview ask Josh
Hard a question. Let's if Brunson has sixty points and you asked Josh Hard a question about Brunson's performance, He's gonna go negative because that's just the relationship that they have it's completely tongue in cheek, but you know it's coming that he's gonna be like, yeah, he had sixty one, but if he hit those you know, three shots in the second quarter, he could have had sixty seven points. That's just the nature of their relationship. And that's the
tone that they've set on this team. So and that comes from Brunson. I mean, he's the tone center on this team.
It's funny that you share that story, Pat, because that's very much the relationship that Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey have developed. If one of them has fifty or sixty, it's well, why didn't you have sixty or seventy? And if one of them has fifty but two turnovers, it's all about the turnovers. And so that like likability factor that is sort of on both sides of this series, especially when you talk about the way that the series is being positioned nationally, it is going to be this tough,
like knock him down, drag them out type series. You pull back the curtain and these guys are pretty deeply delightful, which I think is going to be exciting to chart through. My last one for you that I like to ask anyone that's covering the opposition. You mentioned it a little bit with X factors. Could be a Bogdanovich, could be
an Ananobi. But when you look at this team for the past eighty two games, are there any storylines that you don't feel got enough shine, any like fun anecdote or just something that people who obviously we're talking mostly to Sixers fans, but anything that would make the Knicks a little bit more sticky, a little bit more exciting to root for.
Well, you know, there's a couple of things that come to mind, you know, not super exciting, but it's worth mentioning the development of Isaiah Hartenstein. You know, the Knicks signed him before last season as a backup center, a moderately priced backup center, played really well, actually played all eighty two games last year, and then this year, Mitchell Robinson, their starting center, who is playing the best basketball of his career, injures his ankle on December eighth in Boston
and misses the next fifty games. And now all of a sudden, Hartenstein is thrust into the role of starting center. And in fact, he wasn't initially moved into the starting lineup. Tom Thibodau liked him coming off the bench. That the first four or five games after Robinson got hurt, the Knicks started Jericho Simms until Simms injured his ankle, and then Hartenstein went into the starting lineup and has never left, and he has elevated himself to a guy that's getting
all defense conversation about him. I mean, he's clearly had the best season of his career and just an interesting, you know, spin off of that. The relationship between the two Nick centers is something that I've always gotten a kick out of Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson, and it just kind of shows because it could be a sticky thing, right Mitchell Robinson's the starting sen He's playing the best basketball of his career. Hartenstein takes over that spot, He's
playing the best basketball of his career. Robinson is now back, you know, is he one hundred percent healthy? I don't know if anybody is this point the season, but Robinson's an important guy now coming off the bench, and especially in a series like this when you're facing Joel Embiid, Mitchell Robinson and Hartenstein are going to be very very important. But they have this kind of brotherly friendship that has developed over their two years together in New York. And
they're obviously completely different. I mean, Mitchell Robinson is a country boy from Louisiana. You know, he likes his fishing, he likes his country music. Isaiah Hartenstein grew up in Germany. Father was a professional basketball player, So they come from you know, completely, you know, different parts of the world. But this wonderful friendship and relationship has developed between the two of them. And now you know, you have Brunson,
and you have an Andobe, you have Deevencenzo. Those are all the big names that you discuss when talk about the Knicks. But let's be honest, when you're facing this Philadelphia team with this MVP in the middle, Isaiah Hartenstein and Mitchell Robinson are going to be as important as anybody over the course of the series.
They'll have their hands full, of course with Joel Embiid as you said, and it should be a It feels it's the most second round feeling first round series maybe of all time. But Pat O'Keefe, thank you so much. We'll see you in New York.
I can't wait. It's going to be so much fun. Thanks for having me.
Guys, first playoff meeting between the Sixers and the Knicks since nineteen eighty nine. Thanks again to Pat O'Keefe. It was great to chat with him ahead of this series, which begins at the mecca, Madison Square Garden off a play in game where it was intense and that's only going to rise at a place like MSG.
Yeah, call me corny, but there's a theatrical component to this whole thing so far, not just going to New York, so close to Broadway at the mecca of basketball, in my opinion, one of the best, if not the best viewing experiences watching a basketball game. Just the way that it's so dark in the crowd and it's so bright on the floor, like it is truly a beautiful place
to watch basketball is MSG. But you think back to the play in how this all started, right, the fact that the Sixers close the season eight no still have to play that game, go down big in the first half, find a way to get back into it and then win it. Then you look at the season series play in game included against the Miami Heat, five full games played, one point separates both teams, and the Sixers get that
one point edge. Speaking Matt of single possession game, single points means so much, meant so much, will mean so much in this series with the New York Knicks. I'm excited as a basketball fan. This This has got to be the number one see going into going into Round one.
It feels like a four or five game or something more than a two seven. Not much. I mean, you could look at a variety of factors to tell you that not much separates the two seed from the seven seed in this situation. And we talked about with Pat them getting the two seed classic TIBs to have every opportunity to not promoke that yep, and not just ducking the Sixers, but just not you know, just ease into the playoffs. You're going to overtime with the Bulls, you
could just pack it. And he had every chance to take people out like the Cleveland Cavaliers did at times on the regular season finale. But now we're here with six Ers and Nicks. The three Villanova players. You feel for Ryan Archie Diacino who got traded to Detroit early at the trade deadline. It was four Villanova players on
this Knicks team. It obviously starts with Jalen Brunson. Devincenzo has had a great year, especially from three point range after dealing with numerous injuries earlier in his professional career. I do feel like Josh Hart kind of has some of his best games of his career against the Sixers. He has five triple doubles in his career and including
one against the Sixers. They're all this season, so players that the Sixers fans are familiar with, But it starts with Brunson maybe the most head of the snake type player that you hear that comment about the most leading into it now. And when it comes down to X factors, it's like, who's the X factor for the Sixers? We've had trouble with this. Can you include the Joel Embiids
of the world. Can you include Tyreese Maxi's like they're big X factors in the series, But when it comes to some of the other players on the Sixers, it's kind of all of them, Like it's hard to pain point.
Is the X factor?
The fact that anyone could be the X factor in the series. Right, If Joel Embiid shows up the way that we know he can, if he is at his best, if he is even at eighty eighty five ninety percent of his The Knicks don't have an answer for him very clearly. Right, But we know that this is a Joel Embiid that is coming back from an injury.
Right.
We know that the Knicks are going to throw everything they can at the reigning MVP.
As Joel has.
Earned, right, he earns the opportunity to be the focal point of every defense, including a very good New York Knicks defense. So, but Joel Embiid, I don't know if he can be an X factor. Tyres Maxie good enough to I don't really think be an X factor anymore. But I do look forward to the to the Brunson Maxi matchup.
For sure.
They're gonna get switched onto each other for sure, right. And I think that something that has gone a little bit underappreciated this season is the defensive improvement that Tyre's Maxey has made throughout the season. And as he gets most improved player buzz around the around the league. You can't just look at the jump from twenty points to twenty six ish points a game. You've got to look
at what he's able to do on both ends. I think he defended Jimmy Butler really well a few times in the play in and obviously that is a huge defensive assignment. So listen, I think that Tyrese could be an X factor. You expect Jalen Brunson to be the best guard in this series, but Tyrese Maxi could be Matt the best guard in this series.
They're both All Stars, both first time All Stars this year. Their SATs are remarkably similar if you put them up side by side, and obviously everything runs through Brunson. As I said, he actually missed the most shots in the NBA this year because he takes so many. And the reason that Maxi's able to compete stats wise is because Embiide missed so much time. Including in this Knicks series.
They both play a load of minutes to the coaching style wise on one side, and then just Tyrese's ability to go, go go on the other side. A ton of minutes will be shared between the two of them in this series.
And Tom Thibodeau, it's gonna look different at the beginning than the way Miami defended the Sixers with the zone.
I think, now do they switch into his own Seeing the success Miami had with it we will see, but that's what prevented Maxi at times from getting going because he's having to drive into the zone kickout, whereas like Nick Nurse Toronto days when he played against Jowell Embid, You're going to see a lot of swarming embiid double teams, potential triple teams, and maybe that freeze Maxie up a little bit to be that type of factor.
Speaking of X factors, Matt the opportunity to have already played a playoff game for these Sixers, a playoff game in which they faced a lot of adversity, had a really tough time in the first half.
Officially a playoff game, but a.
Playoff environment totally fair, a playoff environment, though Tyres Maxie said it was just as intense as the game sevens he's played in. Was the play in the Sixers have now had a rep under their belts of a single possession game where everything matters, where everything is on the line. Right, is playing that game midway through this week actually a competitive advantage because the Knicks haven't gone through something like
that yet. Perhaps Right getting a playoff rep in on their home floor starting a series on the road could potentially be helpful. And then you look down the roster, Matt and any of the players who played in the play in could be X factors in this game. We talk about Tobias Harris on this program a lot. Tobias does not get enough credit for how solid he's been in the playoffs over the course of his career. Let's look at just the last few years as a sixer
twenty twenty two to twenty three playoffs. The twenty twenty three playoffs fifteen point three points and seven point six rebounds per game, the twenty twenty two playoffs seventeen points and eight rebounds per game, the twenty twenty one playoffs twenty one points, and of course there were some injuries to consider there, but twenty one points and eight rebounds in that nine rebounds rather in that playoff run. He's
been great throughout his career in the playoffs. That steadiness, that solidness, will he, though, be able to break away and have a couple of games that become Tobias games. I wonder the same about Kelly Oubray. Both of them, of course, have proven that there are times this season that they've been able to score twenty plus. If Joel or Tyrese is struggling, not even just struggling, but if they're being heavily defended, who's going to be the one
that breaks away? Who's going to be the nick Batoom of games Hopefully won through at least four, if not seven in this series.
He had the tomb the big bench game in the play in. Obviously Paul Reid in the rotation. Rebounding is important against the New York Knicks. Isaiah Hartenstein is one of the best in rebounding percentage in the NBA. So is Paul Reid, so his role will be mightily important. Spelling Joel Embiid. It's going to be physical. From one physical game, singular game against Miami to a best of seven of physicality against New York.
Offensive rebounding two we got to talk about with Paul Reid. The way that he's been able to create extra possessions in limited minutes is going to be huge when we talk about single possession games, Every offensive rebound is an extra possession, and it's going to be massive for the six Ers. The only two guys that played in the play in that we have not talked about yet our buddy Healed, who will get his first play in or play off birth.
Rather, there's three guys here, one hundred.
And thirty plus career games of NBA regular season.
Fact, he was beaming. He was so excited about the opportunity to play in the play eighty.
Four plus this year officially eighty six, unofficially.
Unbelievable, unbelievable amount of work has gone in for Buddy Heeld to finally get to play in the playoffs for the first time. Every single player that spoke post game shouted out Campaign, who only played three minutes but made a huge three in that second half. Is needed, come in cold, hit a three, bring the energy that he's promised he's going to.
Break throughout the playoffs. By the way, he was so happy. Listen to our last podcast, episode four interviews one on one with Lauren and Buddy Heeald and myself and Campaign off court stuff get to know them after they came over in the trades.
And just because we've gone through so many potential X factors, the only player who appeared in the play and that we have not spoken about yet is a fourth Villanova player on the floor in this series and Kyle Lowry. And Lowry was a little bit quieter stats wise in the play in game, but his steadiness, his calmness, his communication, the way that he was able to help this team
prepare for the my Miami Heat absolutely massive. And having Kyle Lowry, having a veteran that is so battle tested in your huddles in a series like this, he's going to make a difference. Maybe that's why he wasn't the first X factor we named, because we already know he's going to be one expected or.
Said he expected him to come back in at the end and make a play, make a defensive play. He had a diving touch pass to Kelly Ubra at one point down the stretch as well, and then a nitty gritty offensive rebounding stat to end on about Hartenstein and Reid, is that top three in the NBA Clint Capella offensive rebounding percentage two is Hartenstein? Three is Paul Reid on the offensive glass. To your earlier point, So it's in the words of Tyrese MAXI, they're grimy.
They're grimy.
That is a playoff word.
If I've ever heard Kelly Ubray too talking about being the nastiness the dog fight.
I mean, I thought the Heat were the nastiest team in the NBA.
Well, he did talk.
He spoke about the nastiness after playing the Heat, of course, but Kelly's been a while sound bite lately. I look forward to hearing more of what Kelly has to say. I remember, just to close things up here, that second to second game between these two teams this season, the low scoring seventies matchup. Kelly called it a nineties basketball game.
He said that one was nasty. He was excited after that one played a big role in the victory, could play a big role throughout the rest of this playoff run. Really excited for the Kelly Oubres and the Buddy Heels of the world, who haven't had the playoff experience that they've wanted to in their career to this point, and they're so motivated and hyped up for this series, looking forward to seeing what they are able to.
Do best of seven, the Knicks and the Sixers. It doesn't get much better than that when you think about NBA history. We can't wait, and we'll have more pod coverage throughout the series and throughout the playoffs right here on seventy six Ers Insiders. But for Lauren Rosen on Matt Murphy, thanks for listening,