Star Trek (2009)

Hey, it's your old pal Slim, and this is 70mm, a podcast for movie lovers just like you. Disclaimer, at the top of the show, we are not experts, but we do love watching movies. With me each and every episode is my close friend and artist, Danny Haas. Hello. And our close friend and influencer, ProtoLexis. Podcasters not experts.

Every movie that we cover is connected to a theme for that month, and this time we're covering the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Uh, and you can use the chapters in your podcast app to skip to our main discussion. This week was chosen by our Instagram followers. JJ Abrams after last week from 2009. I realized as I said it out loud that the intro didn't make any sense. Star Wars sequel trilogy? Huh?

Um, but the big story, we don't have time to get into that. We had to get into the big story. The new Spider-Man trailer set the record for most views in 24 hours, 720 million people. Million views. In 24 hours? In 24 hours. Cooking. Danny, what did you did? What did you think? And are you prepped? This movie. How am I supposed to be prepped for this movie? What have I missed? I've seen them all. I'm ready. You're a fan of the franchise. I am pretty mid on the franchise, I think.

Except I do love the cast. So there's that. Okay. It's a good start. Um, I think Tom's a great Pete. I think Zende has a great MJ. I think Marissa Tomei is a great Aunt May. The best. Some would say the best. Some have said that. I'm not saying it, but some people said it. Maybe on the show. Maybe we should say it on the show at some point. Spider Month. Spider Manuary. Uh I'm excited. I like Spider-Man the theaters. I'm looking forward to it. I thought the trailer looked

It looked like a trailer. Yeah. For a Marvel film. Yeah. Um, so I'm gonna be there. All right. Pro the Did you watch a trailer? And where do you stand on the Star Wars of Star Wars this month, folks? Give me a break. Where do you stand on the Spider-Man MCU franchise? Well, I I've got this MCU? Yeah. Come on. Stop. Don't engage with that. Don't respond to that.

I've kind of taken this decade off from Spider-Man. I I've watched Homecoming. I I think I I watch bits and pieces of Far From Home, have not seen No No Way Home. So I don't really know what's in it. I don't know. Not really my my bag, you know. I mean I love the ra the Raimi Spiderman's, but I just haven't really been kept up. Do you think the average person could accurately

say the title of each of those movies. Like if they had if they had a to you know a win a thousand dollars. Like Billy on the street. You have a what are the titles of these movies? What happens in it? They'd all fail. No. Yeah. You just said three movie titles. I don't even know if that's accurate. I don't think I could repeat what he said. Well, I'm looking at him right now. That's the only way I I could know.

So did you watch the trailer? I did watch the trailer. It looked like a trailer, you know? Mm-hmm. I mean I mean I guess I'm spoiled for the third movie and that's my fault. But um I don't know. I mean 720 million people. It's hard to argue with that. Like people are hungry. They're hungry for it. They're hungry for Marvel to be back. Marvel needs a dub.

What's gonna have a dub when it destroys Dune on opening day? Dune is cooked. I'm reading I mean, we're reading the tea leaves. Dune three is it it might move. I think they're scared of endgame. I mean uh doomsday. Whatever the f evidence. Not experts, folks. I'm waiting to watch the Spider Man trailer until I see it. No, I haven't watched it. Um maybe in theaters if I see Project Hail Mary, hopefully soon.

Um, I was pretty mid on the whatever the last Spider Man movie was. Okay. With the multiverse stuff. I loved it. I mean, just so long as Doctor Strange is just not in any Marvel anything in the future, that'd be ideal. Like if he accidentally breaks his leg when the situation happens with the new movie and he's like can't be in it. That'd be great.

Yeah. What do you what are you what are your plans for Doomsday if they're both out in theaters? What's the order of operations? Well, I'm seeing Doomsday first. Uh if I have time for Dune 3 before it hits streaming, maybe. Okay. It's a maybe. It's a big maybe. Unless you guys force me to cover it on the show. I mean, that'd be we gotta think about that. Actually, there aren't those December. Those are December. We're gonna be off. Oh yeah, we'll be off. Fuck it. Yeah. Eat them. Yeah. Unless.

Did you just do this? We you did this to us last time, right? No. Pro you're about to say something important. Yeah, please pro please take this. I will be seeing Dune Three, hopefully in the largest screen that I can see. And uh I'll probably be seeing Doomsday at home. RDJ's wide pants can fit on my What if RDJ's wide pants were the popcorn bucket?

That's a good idea. That'd be fucking awesome. You just get a pair of slacks and you just like you like tie a knot in the bottom and fill them up. Bill bottom slack. Folks, this is real. Google Robert Downey Jr. wide pants. And it you will go down a rabbit hole that you might not be able to climb out of. I mean if you watched the Oscar, you saw them. He had a pair on there. Did he? Yeah, he does. Yes.

It can't be stopped. I read that like Chris he and Chris Evans came out and you could hear a pin drop. Folks aren't excited. Oh, you didn't watch the Oscars? No, I don't. It was for one of the worst bits in the entire thing. What about Grogu? I heard Grogu was there. Grogu was a better bit than Robert Down Jr. and Chris Evans. Hmm.

We gotta move on. We got a lot to get to tonight. Uh just real quick, we have some new patrons to say hello to. Alex, Sam, and Renee joined, got access to uncut longer episodes, early access to episodes before they even hit the feed on Monday mornings. Um and just a reminder, uh gambling is legal in our Discord. Legal

fake money gambling on the line for our our ratings for these main event movies that we're gonna get into. So later tonight we're gonna talk about Star Trek two thousand nine. People are betting on the line. Uh, Purdo, do you have any update to share on V'ger, the robot who loves movies that you built, setting the betting line? Yeah, we had bets coming in all week leading up to tonight, and the line is currently at 13.25.

So I mean that's an average of like four and a half stars for each of us to get there. So yeah. That's crazy. Um, and we will be recording um for those listening live, we're recording our body double episode next week. That is official. It's on the Google Calendar. Body Double will be going out to patrons next week.

Um, well, hopefully next week we'll be going out to patrons. Danny's a busy guy. Danny's at a con right now as of recording. It'll be in the past on the main feed, but you're at MegaCon in Orlando. I'm at MegaCon Orlando having a high hill time. Uh I'm a little nervous because to my left is um Timothy's on. Hello. And I haven't gotten the I sat next to them all day. And I still haven't had the nerve to talk to him yet. What's it gonna take?

I'll I'll talk to him tom uh tomorrow. Friday. Are you gonna tell him about our air to the Empire episode? How we gushed? Nope. I can't do it. I can't I can barely talk about myself, let alone something I did. Maybe if you guys were there with me. I did see a podcast booth set up and I thought should we do cont? Hold on. Hold on. What what kind of podcast booth are you seeing at a It was like a nerd podcast booth. Were they sign an autograph?

What are they doing? Well, I'll go back and talk to them tomorrow and be like, hey. What are you guys doing? How much money are you losing doing this? Yeah, right? Jesus. It sounds like a just a giant money l lost uh operation. Thousands of dollars down the drain, I think. They're in the red, just showing up. Maybe they got press badges though. There's press booths, press areas. How come we didn't get a press invite to MegaCon so that we could be there with you? Um back at Timothy's on

You're not supposed to meet your heroes. That's the thing, right? That's true. That's true. True. Yeah. In fact, the thing is, he's down there. Having great conversations. I can hear it with his fans. Right. He sounds like a great guy. Mm-hmm. Can you give him a shirt or something? Like a hat. I have a print of his I can't I can't get my print of his on would love a print. It's all he wants. No. Tiny Tim joggers.

That's a call. This is from the podcast. That's a joke from five years ago, folks. That's true. I shouldn't have to understand that one. Delete that from the stream. Uh okay, so later in the show, just right around the corner when we get into Star Trek, we'll talk more about MegaCon in the post-show just for patrons, uh, the back half of the show. Um, but Danny, you did see Project Hail Mary. I think you're the first.

that I'm aware of. Anyone to see it in the country? You saw Project Hillmade get a press invite, something like that? Yeah. Uh uh this was a rare one because they put us out at Disney Springs. uh in the Dolby Theater out there to watch this um this film. And here's the thing. I don't want to overhype a film that's getting great reviews already, especially to the two of you, because

I know how Slim gets influenced on these things. Mm-hmm. And I'm not gonna say on this podcast that it's better than Interstellar. I'm not gonna be that hyperbolic. All right. All right. I said I'm not going to. But when you ask me, what's your top four sci-fi films of all time, Danny? This is in contention. Project

Cut it. Sorry. That was so fucking loud in my headphones. I need it I need Riverside to wake up and fix it. Okay? Riverside needs to fix it. That's all I can say. I felt bar bar Bob Barker's hand on my shoulder. He stepped through the portal on your left. Did you add it to your four faith? I'm not. No. I'm just being s I'm being silly, but I had

An incredible time watching this film. I didn't read the book. I don't know the story. You can't read. All I know is what the one trailer told me about with this film. And um I really would think about putting this in my top four of sci fi films. I think Ryan Gosling is incredible in this film. I think there's enough comedy, uh, and enough heart. And it's charming.

And there's like there's some great moments. It's not big brain sci-fi. It's more fantasy driven, I feel like. Um, where like installer has you like thinking the whole time. Right. Trying to count beats and time and relativity. This doesn't really kind of dip into that. This is just kind of I don't know, fantastical. Um, and it's gorgeous. Lord and Miller, what could they have done with Solo? You know?

Something to think about. Do we need to relitigate? Do we need to get back to the litigate one more time? Uh because now my eyes are open. Uh now that I've seen Project Hail Mary. Um but I had a really great time with this film. I think it's got a gorgeous score. Uh, and I really want to see it again. I really would love to see it. Okay. One more time. What are you making move?

I was thinking about that today. I was like, do I call out sick tomorrow and go That's a great question. You know? Or do I find maybe a eleven PM showing after my whole family's eleven PM? Oh my god. It's a two and a half hour movie, bud. My God. I do whatever it takes. Okay, for Ryan.

Whatever it takes, yeah, for Ryan. The amount of shots in this film of Ryan Gosling looking over his glasses at like at the screen, reminding you how hot he is of as a human being. You saw this with your wife. Was she okay during this viewing? She like passed out. I could not look over at her. Yeah. I didn't want to see what was happening next to me. You didn't want to ruin her moment. I sh uh just let her have her moment with Ryan. Her and Ryan locked eyes. Um

Every outfit he wears in this I wanted to own. Like he he has an incredible wardrobe in this film. Um and there's a really there's uh it's a great story. I had so much fun watching it. It's nice to like not know I didn't read the book. So just kind of locking in and sitting down for a ride and I give it to you. Um, Project Hail Mary, I just Googled uh box office.

Uh how's it doing? It's actually Kilmary just orbit around one hundred million opening weekend. So I was just wondering how this bodes for um the starfighter. You know, make'cause we said we need starfighter To be a success. I can't wait. I mean, this right now on letterbox is sitting at a four four. Yeah. It moved into the letterbox, it's in the top one hundred. I mean, yeah, that's real. That's real life. I I just refreshed my feed, and there's there's another five-star review from Chaz.

Chas Jordan. How do I give this film ten stars? The Goss is back. Did he tag a live review? It just landed. Did he add his tag in the review? He didn't tag us, so this is a free one. Okay, you get you get one free one. You get one free one on. Uh real quick, do you want to talk a little bit about the Great Escape? You watched that as well. Uh I can be quick about it. The Great Escape is a three hour slog that I loved every second of it.

Um, true story of, you know, these great men escaping Nazi prison camp. Uh And uh I loved it. I love Steve McQueen so much. I don't really have a great grasp on Steve McQueen's filmography outside of Bullet. Uh, which is my fault because I love Bullet so much. I don't know why I haven't really dug into him outside of knowing he has a great watch. Yeah. Um So yeah. Oh yeah, Grace said Laman. Yeah, I've seen Le Mon too. So I would love to watch more Steve McQueen. Uh and

Charles Bronson is in this with a great accent. My king. uh his name's Danny in the film and every time I was like, Yeah, that's me. Um yeah, I had a great time watching and this is definitely one of my favorites in a while. Okay. I don't think I've seen the great escape.

I know of it. I've seen parodies of it in The Simpsons and various other places. I mean, I read some reviews. It's all over the place of people liking and hating this film. Uh so your mileage may vary. It's three hours, so know that going into it. Thank you. Hundred and seventy three minutes or something. So But I enjoyed it. I I like a good long movie. I love I don't know. I had a great time.

I love war. Uh I should just notate I said a hundred million dollars for Project Hell Mayor. That's global. Okay. Thank you. So that matters anyone just jumps down my throat. A global box. It matters. Global box. Party, you've been doing some work this this week. Wanting a lot of logs come in. What do you want to talk about first? I've been folding some laundry. Oh like you do. Laundry locks. And I can't remember what first set this off. It might have been like a a clip on Reddit.

Or possibly just thinking about oil. Uh you know, I often wonder about oil, like, what's going on like how how's it all work? How there's so you hear a million barrels a day, a hundred million barrels a week. Yeah. How do you even make gasoline? Yeah, yeah there's the straight of her moose. Yeah, uh there's just so much. And then um there's this movie this documentary, Lessons of Darkness from Werner Herzog. Um, and it's about the fires, the the oil fires in Kuwait after the Gulf War. And man.

It is uh it's it's beautiful, it's stunning, it's surreal, the footage is incredible. Herzog as a as a writer and narrator is really incredible. Like he understands I mean, I guess he just like hit the way he pairs the kind of footage he wants to take and the kind of story he wants to tell with the words that he has for it is just really um Amazing. Um, so it just, I don't know, it makes you just think of in turn, it's not just about like the images. It's it's just like bigger than that.

And then I had to continue and I watched his other one, uh, Into the Inferno, which is more recent. Um Lessons of Darkness came out in ninety two. Into Into the Inferno came out in twenty sixteen and it's about basically like volcanoes. Uh but the footage is unbelievable. Um, and it kinda again, it's just like ki more of the same where you're just like

How is this real? And then like the things he has to say about it and the people he interviews uh is really incredible. There's like shots of people near um like the the lava flows. that it just doesn't even look real. Like it is so huge and terrifying. Uh and I'm also learning like the different types of volcanoes.

And that the most deadly thing w about volcanoes is not the red ones, but it's the gray ones, where they have pyroclastic flows, which is basically like giant uh dust clouds that are f filled with like fumes and are a thousand degrees. And there's like footage of one of these cloud it looks like an avalanche coming down a volcano and and it's it's it you can't you almost can't like comprehend how big it is. So

I've been watching that. Um, I've been loving these documentaries and he you know, he has a lot of documentaries, so I'll probably just continue watching these as I do my laundry. Been great. The one thing you were talking about in what one of your reviews was you like searched how um how much oil we've consumed. Um in the last like whatever, a hundred years. And then he s you search How much oil we have left?

In reserves. What was it? It was like 40 years in reserves. Yes. I always wonder that I always wonder if like if there's a million barrels being like m pulled out of the ground a day, like how many barrels could there possibly be? Where are these barrels?

Right. Well it's like a nor you know, like a normal probably a normal size barrel and you got a million of them. Um where? Underground. They're they're pulling them up underground. Not like the physical barrels. I think they're siphoning the oil. No, where are the physical barrels? But what I learned one of the things I learned is that like

Like I always like, is it a lake underground that they're just like, you know, drinking from a milkshake? Like, I don't know how this works. But apparently, like oil is it's like It's within like rock as well. So it's not like it's a giant lake underground. It's that it's like infused with with rocks. And then they also they pump in water at the same time to like fill in the gaps. Cause I was like

If you're pulling out billions of gar barrels, isn't that gonna do something to like the ground? Yeah. Eventually. They s and Claude did tell me at certain like that can happen. And it has happened in certain areas in Texas. Um but yeah, that's like like conservative estimates is that there's like fifty years

uh fifty years worth of oil left if we're at the continuum at the rate rates we are, which is like not very long. No, it's not. Like and and everyone is every other country but ours is moving towards electric cars. And then we're going the opposite direction. So what what what is the plan in fifty years when we're not able to create more gasoline for these vehicles?

Who knows? That's my son's problem. That's not my problem. That's my son's problem to figure out. We tried. You sound like a boomer. Well, I we tried our best. And look what's happening. Danny, are you under aware we're at war with uh Iran? I can't keep we are we are we have tag teamed up with Israel to destroy Iran. I thought we were visit Venezuela. We were days away from being destroyed. I thought we were taking Cuba.

We don't even know if this podcast is gonna be a good one. What happened to Greenland? Danny, wake up and look outside. Are the people of MegaCon not talking about this? Greenland got pushed to Q three. Greenland. Oh my god, I forgot forgot about Greenland. That feels like an a eternity ago. We were taking over Greenland. We now we yearn for the days where we're just taking over Greenland.

Just remind everybody, the Epstein files exist. Don't forget. Folks, I watched Leprechaun with Warwick Davis. This week. Um absolute dud of a movie. People are like, maybe The first leprechaun? The first leprechaun is terrible, folks. Okay, okay. Terrible. You know, and I get maybe if you're watching it with like your friends and you're having fun war working around around doing his quotes. But it has an iconic VHS cover. It does, but that that can't save it, unfortunately.

I remember looking at that thing every time in Blockbuster. Creek movies. Yeah, it's a f it's a famous one. I mean also uh when I was w working at West Coast, this is the last thing before we move into Star Trek. Um, the Mothman Prophecies with Richard Gear. That was prime West Coast early 2000s material.

And I had memories of like really thinking this was a formative horror movie growing up and maybe it was like one of the earlier memories that I had going to a movie theater to see like a big horror movie release. You know, as a kid you always I gotta see the new Richard gear. Let's go see the new Richard G as a kid you said that? I I imagine every kid said that.

at our age, where they should have. Um I love Richard Gear. I'm an unabashed gearhead. Is he a lot? And he he looks great in like a trench coat. I was saying in my review, I mean, he w he just looks incredible in the coats that he wears in these movies of this era. And then he like adds a scarf. And he changes the game. He absolutely changes the game. Just Google Richard Gear like coat and be changed.

Um, I want to watch some more Richard Gear uh on my slate. I need to go watch Primal Primal Fear. I need to watch Primal Fear, I need to watch Final Analysis. Him and Kim Bassinger. Um, so there's a whole lot that I need to watch. PNG in chat for Leprechaun as I was discussing the Mothman prophecies. I mean he did Unfaithful after this, which was a very sensual movie. With Diane Lane?

There, people love Chicago. Oh, yeah, Rob Marshall. I haven't seen in ages, but I like Chicago. Renee Zellweger, Catherine Zetta Jones. Um anyway, that's what I was doing.

All right, let's uh for one final time talk about J.J. Abrams on this pod, and then we put him in the vault. Maybe a more than a little bit of a little bit more. Oh, are you vaulting JJ? We need to vault JJ. I thought more about JJ April in the last three weeks than I have in the last three decades, I think. Just just give him a timeout for a bit. We'll put him in the timeout bin. Um, but we have to get through this uh section first, folks. Uh episode three oh three Star Trek two thousand nine.

Uh with a young Chris Pris Prine, as they called him. Uh Lily wrote a review five stars for this movie, tagged at seventy M. M. Pot on Letterboxd. They just don't reboot like they used to. Back when the IP balance was stable and the J. J. Abrams lens flare was a cute artist signature.

Back when Chris could play Chris's dad in a film without wondering if Marvel would be pissed off. Back in the day, two thousand nine. This is twenty years ago, folks. Nothing's the same. Twenty years. Um, pro what's this movie all about? Humans have explored beyond their solar system to play. And places. Starfleet's process for manning trillion dollar spacecraft is a three-year program that ends with cadets being assigned to a ship, but the seats are first come, first serve.

Fortunately, Jim T. Kirk is wholly unfit for Starfleet. But nepotism will never die. Even after cheating in the academy and being grounded, his doctor smuggles him aboard the SS Enterprise so that he can deliver the secret knowledge of Romulan revenge. Nero, a mining foreman.

Exploded, but is convinced that Spock is responsible and will stop at nothing until both Vulcan and Earth suffer the same fate. Will the new crew of the Enterprise find a way to stop this madman and save humanity? Star Trek. How about a mining ship being fully loaded for war? You think every ship just has guns, like they could just go to war in space at any time? Didn't they outfit it after? I mean how? They get the where'd they get the guns? Planet's gone.

We'll get into a great question. Can they just steal guns? We'll get into it. And why is it so big? It's huge. For mining. It's huge. Uh I did something uh scandalous today. I went back and listened to our Star Trek The Motion Picture episode. That's terrifying. From 2020. Oh my god. I could barely listen to it because. Way back when we started the show, the format was me going through like the plot of the movie and then bringing you guys in for talking points. Oh my god, it's unlistenable.

Sorry, folks. Uh so glad we pivoted long time ago away from that because I I couldn't do it. But um it was fun to go back and listen to that because that's where You know, Vger, the robot in our Discord that Proto built, comes from Star Trek the Motion Picture. Spoilers uh for folks that haven't seen that movie from nineteen seventy-nine, that's what it's from. Um but it was fun to go back and and hear our various thoughts of Robert Wise.

motion picture Star Trek. Um and because like I think at the when we talked about it back then and I alluded to it maybe last week, but I'm not a Star Trek guy. You know, I'd never really watched the next generation um Deep Space Nine. I think I remember watching the premiere on Fox or whatever channel it was on. but never got into it. I think it was a little like, you know, don't yell at me, but at the time I th I think it was a little too nerdy for me. Like a not like

Fun sci-fi action-y. It was like two thinking, like a thinking man's show. Like a thinking nerd. I wasn't a thinking nerd. I was just like a comic book reading nerd. Can barely think now. You listen to the show. Mm-hmm. Um Janie, what's your backstory with Star Trek for those that have not gone back six years to listen to that episode? Um, I don't really have a history with Trek. Uh at the time, I would say before 2009, before this Trek.

It was very much a thing to be anti-Trek if you were a Star Wars fan. It was like the Trek. It was like the Star Wars fans versus the Trek. You chose a side. The trekkers. The trekheads. Yeah, the trekes. Um, there's even a movie called Fanboys where it's a big joke about the

Star Wars versus the Star Trek people. So I kind of chose my side. I don't really I didn't grow up with Star Trek. The my only reference of Star Trek growing up would be going to my um grandma's house and afternoon she would have Next Gen on and I had the intro song to Next Gen just seared into my brain. for my entire life, but I never really watched Trek. I just felt yeah, it was probably the same lines as you, Slim. It was just felt a little too

It was like a drama I guess it was like a drama. Like for yeah with apologies to everyone who's watched. the next generation a hundred times over. I'm actually more interested now to go back and and see what I did start it. I mean, when they started doing the Picard stuff and I got into Star Trek Discovery a lot more recently, I like Googled Top 10 next gen episodes. And I watched them.

And I had a great time. I thought they were fantastic. I think um whatever his name is, Place Picard is awesome. I can't think of it. Patrick Stewart. Right? Yes. It's been a log down. You nailed it. Thank you. Um and I enjoyed them. I and then I've recently watched all of I think a couple years ago, I watched all of the Star Trek Motion Pictures. Motion pictures. Up until it will switch to the next gen. And I joined those two.

So I don't know. I'm not a I'm not a hater anymore. Mm-hmm. I mean for to go over what I said at the top of the show, we put up an Instagram poll of what should our fourth movie of the month be and it was This Star Trek, The Wrath of Khan, and Star Wars uh Dark Empire comic book. And Wrath of Khan did not make it. But I'm interested in doing that in the future still. Yeah, me too. Pro, what about you and Star Trek?

I would say that growing up, I watched more Star Trek than I did Star Wars. My dad w he was definitely more of a Star Trek fan. Yeah, you seem like it. Uh so yeah, I was exposed to that more. Like watching Star Wars was like me more me and my brother um doing that. And my dad, yeah, he watched Next Generation, he loved that.

Deep Space Nine. I mean if an i any of that stuff. I know I know all these new shows he's been watching. Um, so he he eats it up. So I watched all these old Star Trek movies. growing up. Um, and I was just like looking at this list now. I think I I have like a I have like a deep love for generations, which came out in ninety four. We'll just kind of review for that. What's that? Did I leave a review for generations? I can't remember. Um I don't see one on here.

But that one's kind of like the crossover from um From Shatner to to uh Stuart. Um But looking at these dates right now, there was a movie. From like the original in 79 until 2002, there wasn't like more than three years or four years between movies.

That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? Like that's pretty consistent. Like every at least every four years you get a Star Trek movie. And now, I mean, it's been 10 years. So this is the longest gap since these movies have been coming out, that we haven't had a new one. JJ hasn't directed a movie since Rise of Skywalker. He's only produced since that movie had has come out. So the Great Beyond is his first

Yeah, movies since then, which is fascinating. It's back. But yeah, the every like Star Trek fans I feel like were are eating pretty good. Whether or not the movies were great, but like they were getting something new in film. You know, every few years. Star Trek or Star Wars, it was really the buff. And games and comics. There was nothing film. Like imagine that it was the the reverse. Like and then Star Wars had to be. Every few years you get in a Star Wars movie? Yeah. Pretty crazy.

Um, yeah, I remember generations. A lot of the Star Trek movies were on television a lot. Um, the one where like they went back to Earth or whatever, maybe that was Nemesis or First Contact. the w like the bad ones I think were on T V a lot. Um, so I never really like was drawn in because when those are the things that are on T V and they're like your first foray into it, I'm like, uh this kind of sucks. Like I don't

care that much about Star Trek. Like if this is the best you got, I'm not gonna be digging any deeper. Um but so JJ is tasked with Kicking off the franchise again. Um, I think he had done Lost by this point. He had done Mission Impossible three, and he had produced Cloverfield. And they bring him in to kind of reboot the franchise. Um and maybe like my first point is really like the idea of how they restarted the franchise.

Because they have like these younger actors come in and somehow it's not even just like Rebooting the series. Like they come up with a story that makes sense about how it ties into the original show. And which looking back just feels novel. Like it nowadays. They'll just make another movie if it's if it's like a franchise or whatever. Like no one's gonna care that it ties into the original show or the original characters. But like this Kelvin timeline thing, I feel like is so smart and fun where

They go back in time and like create a different timeline with these younger characters. And so like Spock gets to meet younger Spock and vice versa. It all feels so fun and fresh. And new and smart how about how they did that. So, Daniel, what did you think of it like how when this came out, they they still tied it all together?

I ate it up because I think at the time, not being a Trek fan, I don't have any I have nothing to base anything off of. So it's like I know the names Kirk, I know Spock, I know Is that it? Maybe I go with my chest. Nailed it. Um I knew of the other people, I think. Yeah, Scotty. Beat me up, Scotty. Um anyway, so I I liked that it introduced me to characters that exist in the Star Trek world while telling a news story.

And also give me background so I don't have to like feel like I'm lost the whole time trying to like watch a Star Trek movie that's new. Um Yeah, I kind of loved it. I still love it. Spoilers. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I think it's really good for Star Trek. Like it fits the universe, it fits the kind of stories.

They tell, and it's kind of genius if you are like a producer putting on like your box office hat of like how do we get new people who know nothing about star Star Trek and allow them to like be acquainted with these characters without having to have any prior knowledge, but then also at the same time

rope in all like the old heads who are fans and like Leonard Nimoy is still here. It is it is brilliant in that way of like as a as a way to market this of like introducing all these characters as if you're seeing them for the first time.

But then also setting it in this universe as if like it's just another story in an alternate dimension or or whatever. Um, so it it it it does work on in like Yeah, they must have been high five in each other when they when they came up with this,'cause it is really great. What was the state of Trek at this point in two thousand nine? I think when was the last movie? Nemesis was the last movie and it had been quite a few years before they'd done anything else.

Um, at least movie-wise. And I was thinking just now talking about it, it's it feels like fun and fresh. Maybe because you've already had years of Kirk. And you've had years of the television show, you've had movies. So there isn't really like a yearning for

continuing their story, maybe like starting over with like a new cast is is like the next logical thing. And I hate to even suggest this, but talk about Star Wars again, but like what if when they did s new Star Wars movies, they did something like this? Where like You talk about World War Three. You what if something happened with red matter? in the outer regions and they go back in time and like maybe Vader live.

And Vader it's Vader and Luke. I'm getting so worked up right now, I want to strangle you. You recast the original characters and you start over, you get a whole new generation of Star Trek or Star Wars. What is a chest hurt? That's right. Kev's the Kelvin timeline for Star Wars. I can't imagine that. I don't think you even need to do that. You can you could just I mean if you decided to set new stories during like the original trilogy.

Like just during the war with the Empire. Like you could tell infinite stories in that. Like halfway. Because they never done it. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't even matter. You can make up anything. And you could like tie it into the like the their originals and it would be great. I'd eat that. Yeah, but Also, you're talking about I mean, I guess it there's I guess the same thing would be yeah. Like Kirk and Spock didn't ex hasn't existed in a long time, right? Right.

So it's like we've already we've had next gen, we've had this uh the other stuff. Voyager and all these other shows where Kirk and Spock are really just a things of the past when it comes to Star Trek. So reinventing the wheel with this new cast, introducing us to characters that were from The eighties, nineties. I don't know when that ended. Was smart. But I guess you could say the same thing about Star Wars, except for the prequels happened.

I don't know. I don't know if they could have done it. I can't they can't even do it today. They can't do it with the characters today. So Pro, what's the top of your list for this viewing? Oh man. Oh no. I I I find um I find Chris Pine as James T. Kirk just like entirely insufferable in this movie. And listen, I get it.

I get it. He's a tough guy, right? He's a he's a spitfire. He's, you know, he's always getting in the trouble. He's getting in the fistfights. And I think like that that matches the character, or at least from what like I don't really I don't know if I ever watched maybe more than a couple episodes of like the original Star Trek TV series. But like from what I remember of, you know, James T. Kirk, that is kinda like the persona. But I feel like that character is William Shatner.

So now like Chris Pine has to play this James T. Kirk, but it's like a caricature of like Shatner in a way. And I just find him so And I get it, it's like the point. Like he's annoying, he's grating, he's talks back, he has no respect for anybody. But it's just a it's miserable trying to root for this guy. I just I cannot stand him. Like I just want him to be slapped this whole movie. You're a slapped James T. Kirk the worst to ever do it.

And he is one of the worst to ever do it. The question remains if he is the worst, but he is one of the worst. Oh boy. I mean, this was probably the first thing I'd ever seen Chris Pine in. Um and I don't know. I I do not agree. I have fun with Chris Pine as Kirk. I I I'm I think I talked about in our Star Trek the motion picture picture episode. I was like, is William Shatner the worst actor of all time? That was something I actually said on the show.

But having someone that is, you know, bringing the spirit of Shatner's Kirk was I think is is pretty fun. And it worked for me as a new Trek audience member because I'm in the camp of like, I don't have the baggage. Give me something fun and exciting that looks cool with lens flare and like I'm all in. So at least for me with Kirk in this movie, you know. you know, scoring off the charts, his aptitude tests, but he's he's never

uh been able to follow the rules. It works for me still. I I absolutely agree with Proto's take on it, but also I like it. I don't know what that says about me. Um I he is insufferable and I don't know why it works, but I don't know. I d I do like I li I I like it. I th but he's not my favorite character in the movie, which is also um Is it bones? It kind of is Carl Urban. I think he's hilarious in this. I I enjoy him.

And I actually like Zachary as Spock. I really like his Spock. His Spock feels what I in my brain have just assumed Spock was my entire life, but I think it's a dynamite cast to begin with. But yeah. It might be a little bit more. How do you feel about uh is it Quinto? Zachary Quinto? Zachary Quinto. How do you how do you feel about him offsetting the pine of it all, his character? Uh I think he's I think he's a great spot.

for this role. Um yeah, of course they kinda they're a pair, the two of them, of Spock and Kirk. And I think for what it is, like it does work well in the movie. Um, but it doesn't you know, it's not enough to cover the sins of of Jim for me. Also, when I'm looking at him, like this came out in 2009, like Chris Pine's haircut. Like I could just see this guy in a pair of like

Washed out jeans, sandals. Old navy. Old navy. He's got a thorns he's got a thorns tattoo on his forearm walking down the boardwalk. Oh my god. He's just one of those guys you just want to slap. I think that's part of it. Mm-hmm. It his hairstyle does feel a little bit dated. Also, he I think he's wearing Uggs for half the movie, like winter Uggs in that w the winter ensemble that he had. Oh, which cracked me up watching on this viewing.

I mean Chris Pine, I've what of one of my other thoughts was like You you're kicking off a dynamite franchise with this movie, at least in my opinion on this feeling. Like you the sky is the limit. Like give me more Star Trek after this. Like now I want more Star Trek movies. So like with Pine at the h at the top of it and Zachary and

Um, Carl Urban, Zoe, Saldana, Simon Pegg, John Cho, Anton. I mean, they really nailed it with the cast because like during the movie, I'm like, this is an ideal start to a franchise, like similar to Force Awakens. Yeah. You're like me as a viewer, I'm invested in all these people. Like, let's keep going. Makes make 10 more of these.

Um it's probably the same casting director. Yeah, maybe we we'll get Dale to research that. But you almost like feel like it look like this is the ideal kickoff for the franchise. And I think I felt that, you know, seeing it in theaters. I really had a great time seeing this in theaters. Um, it's as good as it gets to kick off a franchise. So you can kind of see obviously like why J J was picked for Star Trek. Like, can you just do this with Star Wars? Um

Can you d did you feel the same way? Like were you all in on like a franchise potential for these for these movies? Yeah, definitely. But also I think I was all in because of having no Star Trek in my life. So it was like to to lock in on this first film and be like, oh, Star Trek can be Awesome. Maybe I was wrong about Star Trek uh Forever. So yeah, after seeing this, I'm like, oh hell yeah, give me give me this entire whatever trilogy series. I don't know. Give me more. Yeah.

And we get more. What's the top of your list, Danny? It's on my list. I think this style of movie um this uh kind of team building movie. I don't know why I love it so much when it does like the intros to new characters. Uh, we see them in their like element. We get these snapshots of of who they are and how they're gonna fit into the crew. I don't know why I love this kind of film, but I really do. And this would really work. So, like when we get introduced into bones.

his whole bit of, you know, leaving his wife and getting sick on the on the uh shuttle to the Enterprise and stuff like that. Like that stuff's like really funny. And then you get Simon Pegg, Scotty and Zoe in the bar and who she is and I don't know. There's something about this buddy this kind of not buddy. I was gonna say buddy cop and that's like a team forming format. Yeah, like a team forming kind of format film that I'm kinda locked in on.

And I think it just because how how well the storytelling is in this for that. Um I love that style. I'm trying to think of other films that do it. I can't remember the Armageddon. I can't remember the first Avengers very well, like if it does it like this. Um, but I haven't seen that in twenty years. So I can't wait to rewatch Avengers. I know. I feel like we're getting close. I feel like we're getting close.

We're dipping our toes in too much. Armageddon's a two star movie, but it has one of the best team building scenes of all time. Yeah, you're probably right. Um, but anyway, yeah, I that's my first kind of note. Like I realized watching this, like, oh, I kind of love this genre of film, but I feel like it only works as if it's good enough to warrant a sequel with the cast. I mean also like comparing it to the Star Wars sequel trilogy, it's interesting to s to think about how

Like I mean, he essentially did d do the sequel for this. Like he continued the story making a second movie with the Star Trek into Darkness. um with Benedict. So like and w and a lot of people say like they wish J J would have kind of kept going and did The Last Jedi or done the whole trilogy or whatever.

So it's fascinating to see like can you keep this up for a second movie in a row? Um and I think that Star Trek in the Darkness made more money than this did, but it hasn't held up as well over time compared to this one. I do want to re-watch it because I remember we talked about it last time that like they essentially told people that Benedict was not con to their face. Like Khan's not in this. And then they're like, Oh actually Khan is in this concept. So stupid. I'm not rewatching.

Can't wait to pick it for my move. Prote next on your list? Um So yeah, the cast the the casting is really great. And I agree the way they're introduced is is fun. Um And just like all the roles that are filled, um, how they spread them out. I mean, you know, Simon Pegg doesn't appear until like we're half more than halfway through the movie. The king. Crazy. Uh save the best for last. Um okay. But I will say that I do feel like that this movie it tries a little too hard to be cool, I think.

Like there is like a nerdy quality to Star Trek and something that I've always found endearing that I've liked. Like just like seeing Patrick Stewart in a uniform. It just looks kinda silly, you know. Um But there's like that's like kind of what you come to expect with Star Trek. So you're not trying to impress anybody. But there feels like there is something in this where it's almost changing it's changing the recipe and trying to be like, no, look, we're cool now. Star Trek is cool.

So I feel like it's an attempt to make it like l legitimately cool. And to me that it just kind of backfires for me. Oh, at the expense. I wonder if you'd feel that way, like if you didn't have the history with Star Trek a little bit. Like I it does feel like they're making it more mainstream and cool. Like we need to we need to get some more people into this franchise at the cost of maybe some of the hardcore fans.

Because I feel like this movie probably would have upset a lot of the hardcore fans. the scene where they don't they like warp somebody onto the mining ship? From like How far away? Like is that is that even a thing that was in Star Trek Everybody does it. It reminds me of like the the holdo maneuver or something or light speed tracking. Like those, you know, p once once that happened, people were like, wait a minute, you can't do that.

Like this this whole thing almost feels like a wait a minute, you can't do that. Like this shouldn't be cool. This is my thing. Um, but for me, like that works and gets me into it. But I can see that Definitely backfiring for maybe people that think it's almost too cool. I'm just like picturing how we had so much Star Wars discourse during the sequel trilogy that because we're not in the Trek sphere of or the zeitgeist of these. Right. Was there

the same sort of reaction to this film as the sequel trilogy to Star Wars got. And we just don't know because we're not in the Trep Universe people. Where's art? What did art think? of this movie We're not on the B B edits or sending death threats and kicking people off of the internet, so There is that probably what's the saltier than crate for Star Trek uh two thousand nine? I can't even make a joke because I have no idea any Star Wars Star Trek lingo.

Um one other thing, no, you know, we're talking about the Spock of it all, but I do love the how this is like written for the Spock and Kirk. Like that their connect their like friendship is the kind of Um, connective tissue with a movie. And I love like all their interactions and the way Spock is written. Spock has so many great lines. Um, one of my favorites is I think like the stallion line that Bones was talking about, how he was pissed that he like kicked uh Kirk off the ship.

Um you don't kick off your prize stallion and he's like a curious metaphor as a stallion must be first broken before it can reach its potential. And like he has so many like quips that were so good and ready. Um Uh the the writing was just so good. I I loved it. Um also the where he says um where he makes uh Kirk, I think, first officer. And he's like, the complexities of human pranks escape me. Um, so Spock is definitely a highlight. Like

For sure for me. And I loved how, you know, he's grappling between the the human side and the Vulcan side. Um Yeah, all that stuff was so rad, I thought. Like even going to the planet to try to save his family. Um and then, you know, forming a friendship with Kirk. in a strange way because of how Kirk met with Leonard Nimoy. Um yeah, so I l I love the relationship and and how everything came together. So maybe pro I'm not sure if you felt the same just because

uh Chris Pine was on screen for it. But not sure. I do feel that like Zachary Quinto is Probably the most inspired pick for this. And like as Spock, he is just like so good as like uh uh as filling that role. Um It yeah, it's just a it's it just seems like a perfect fit. Um and he does have great lines. He has the best lines in the movie, probably. I love the scene. at the the cheating trib tribunal after um

Jim cheats on the Kobayashi Maru. And um Spock says, you know, a a captain cannot cheat death. And he like brings up his dad. Yeah. He's like, dang, go right for the dad. The dead dad, game over. Um, but yeah, there's a there's a lot of moments like that between them. Um, and I mean it's a great setup for the continuation of this because that's like what you want is like to build this relationship. So I think it does a great job. Mm-hmm. Jenny, next on your list?

I was gonna say for a movie in 2009, watching this streaming on Paramount, America's Network. It still holds up quite well, how good it looks. Looks amazing. Um I'm kind of shocked by that. Also You brought it up, Slim. There's the scene where um they beam down to uh Vulcan. Yes. Mm-hmm. Let's display it. It looks like it's on a set. Like it doesn't look like the rest of the film. And it almost felt like a nod to

the sets of the original TV show a bit. How it kind of looked a little off, a little on stage. There's something I don't know, there was something about it that I really liked, but I think this film looks dynamite. Um when they end when they come out of warp with Pike. And, you know, Jim uh he's already barged onto the bridge to yell at them that they're flying into a trap. And it enters the scene where it's just the wreckage.

I can't get over how good that looks. And the scene where they're skydiving on the uh when it's him and um Sulu. Sulu, thank you. Uh, you know, dropping down onto the drill and that stuff. So I mean this movie holds up. for almost twenty years old where it's all I don't maybe it's not all CG. Maybe there's a lot of sets that I just didn't realize that they built. I mean the bridge looks great. I love the aesthetic of Star Trek. It's like almost ideal.

opposite of Star Wars where Star Wars has like You know, kind of grungy beat up future sci-fi. While this is like pristine and new and shiny and white and I don't know. I love I I I just think sm this film looks great. Like it still looks great. I can't get over it. Yeah the 4K was great. I mean when that first scene with the

With George Kirk. Like you see the pores on that captain when then like he appears on screen. Like I was blown away by how good the 4K looked uh in the streaming app. Um, but man, you're right, like A lot of people crap on the lens flare, but like you definitely get a visual snap from J J. in this movie, like even the bridge, like everything looks cool as heck. on the bridge, on the ship. Um which makes me like

Probably at the time, like another reason why I was so excited for him to do Star Wars. Like, oh my God, like this, but Star Wars? Huh? Like that is like a dynamite combination. Um, but you're right. Like I think, yeah, the whole thing looks great. How about that one guy on Vulcan getting absolutely bodied by that statue collapsing? Oh yeah. Rock. Yeah.

Absolutely rocked. Oh jeez. I mean you talked about Pike. Pike is one of my favorite parts of the movie too. Um talking to Arts posted a quote in chat, but him finding Kirk and talking with him and you know, just seeing someone else with like some leadership qualities, like strut around as as a Starfleet member and the captain of a ship. Um, everything with Pike was pretty b pretty awesome. Pro

I like the the the main story of the Romulans coming through a black hole, traveling through time with Spock. Um, it's very Star Trek. Uh, I think it works great. The ship is gigantic. Yeah. I feel like that's maybe I I wish there was like more done to just express the size of the ship at different points. But I do feel like I kind of like lost the plot a little bit at certain points. Like, how do the Romulans know where Spock is going to come through in the black hole?

Is it because it's like they came out of the he came the same spot that they came through? I think so. But they didn't know when he was gonna come through. No. They had to wa yeah, they had to wait it out, I think. So they're waiting twenty five years. They sat in that in the mining ship for twenty five years. I mean, I think they did other things in that time. Maybe someone can correct me, but I don't think

I don't think they just sat there for twenty five years necessarily. Maybe they like we'll circle back, maybe we'll check in every few days. I guess maybe you're right. Maybe they would have had to stay there because they're looking they they don't know when he's gonna appear. Yeah, I thought I missed something at one point'cause I'm like, why

There's a there's a vide there's a shot of like a shirtless Bana when they talk about like we've been waiting here for twenty-five years. You know, Bana like talking out of the side of his mouth so that his accent doesn't come through. But I guess like some of this stuff in this movie, like you kind of have to wave your hand at. Like him, first of all, like why is Kirk just like shot onto like a frozen tundra planet?

To like be like were they gonna pick him up again? There's an there's an outpost. There's this there's an there's a Federation outpost there. But first, he's gonna run in the spok in a cave. After being chased by a a a a furless um uh like tentacle monster on a frozen planet. Put it out by the way. But I guess that's also very Star Trek, so

I thought Spock was there because that's Spock knew where he was sending Kirk. Right? Uh no. Is that a deleted scene? Bana Bana sent Nimoy there to watch his planet blow up. Remember? Yeah. So you could be in orbit. Or or C'est like I'm gonna make you watch your planet die. Just like I watch my planet die. He literally is a good Eric Banner voice. He waited twenty-five years to pick up Spock so that he could drop him off before he destroyed Volt.

Like an incredible. It is the long game. I mean, it's pretty crazy that the mining ship I want to see there they they really glossed over it, but like Spock it I don't I don't understand the writing. He's like, and then the worst happened. Or he's like the unthinkable happened. Like, well, the whole plan is this.

This is the plan. You should have been there. Why weren't you there like uh way sooner? Do your project work like in orbit at the sun? Um, but then They gloss over Spock's interaction with them with Bana. Like, what is what's their conversation that Bannet uncovers, or did the entire planet of Romulus know that Spock is trying to save us? And then they see Spock like arriving late. Oh shit. Sorry everybody.

The planet's dead because I was late. Like and then is that what he tells Vanna? Uh, sorry, yeah, that's my bad. I was supposed to be here to prevent this sun from exploding and I was actually late. I couldn't believe it. What are the chances? And then they like go into war with each other. Yeah, I agree. That that is like they just throw that line out there. The unthinkable happened. It blew up. But like well like war.

Think that's the most thinkable thing to happen because we all knew it was going to happen. Also like when he goes he's his plans are to like get the codes. the knock list of all the Federation planets. Um and to go destroy them for revenge. And he drops his drill, which I think is a great design. Um it's man of steel homage. He drops the drill onto Earth. Does Earth have no security defenses? Is there no Starfleet on Earth?

Like he drops the drill onto Earth and everyone on Earth is like shitting their pants, running away from this. Do they not have a camera system that sees uh something dropping into orbit? Like, hey guys, can you fire up the guns? Can you start shooting this thing? Nobody on earth has a gun in this in this scenario. Not a single gun. Not a single laser. Not a single photon. No photon.

At all. What happened there? What happened? They do say at the beginning, like the whole reason the enterprise has to respond to this is because the whole fleet was out doing something else. So I guess okay, but like yeah, we don't have any Earth to space. You guys are making me a Star Trek hater again. Matt in chat says, sorry, they have all been sent to Israel.

Jesus Christ. I mean, I don't understand. They have the Starfleet. They're peacekeepers. They might as well be Jedi. They're peace, they're a peacekeeping mission, uh, safety officers. Maybe maybe we just uh left Earth. Nothing's happening on Earth to to be able to to save ourselves.

Danny, your thoughts. Do you have an uh explanation for this? I don't. And uh I this is why I don't like Star Trek. You guys make me think too much. I don't know. I apparently I'm locked in on this film and then now I don't understand it. So I don't know. I have no I have nothing to add. Okay. It's fine. I don't know. I honestly didn't. I didn't have any issues with um you know so at a certain point their plan is we're gonna hide

By the rings of Saturn, because like during because of the magnetism, no one can track us. We're just gonna hover there for a while until we can teleport you onto the mining ship. Which is, I mean, how many miles away? And then do they do they even have eyes on the ship? Like where they can just transport someone? When I watched the movie and I was like, Yeah, whatever, that's cool. But then I saw like a post on Reddit like

Someone was really upset that like you can just transport someone wherever you want. See, this is why I can't you can't get off of Reddit Slim. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's not taking away from my experience of the film, but it is a good question. Um it is like light speed skipping. Like where do you go from here? Like you can just transport wherever. GalaxyQuest had a more grounded teleport. Mm-hmm. I mean they were teleporting people out of midair and were questioning the distance.

I mean pretty far away. They were doing it at warp speed. That's the whole thing. They get'em back on the enterprise. That's true. Yeah. I mean I still had a great time with those moments. That's I'm not that's not taking away anything. Why are we questioning any campaign? I'm not a trekker. Uh let me go down my menchis. I've exhausted my list. Um

Sick Romulan ship design exigol homage question mark. Chris Hemsworth. Looking like he's You've read an exigol homage and I said, is this the original Holdo maneuver? I wrote that too. Hemsworth looks so young. And I love the opening of this movie. I mean, that's a classic JJ. You almost like the music that's playing

Feels like lost music? Michael Giachino. I mean, y just play the hits. It works every time for me. I'll take it. Question if there's a moment when they play the Godzilla theme in this. Oh. Okay. I think they do. How about the uh Nokia cell phone? Nokia. My god, Nokia was everywhere around this. I love future product placement. Sheesh. I mean not to dissect. Oh, here we go. But the opening sequence, I kinda roll my eyes a little bit because it's like

They're getting attacked. I mean, this Romulan ship is like destroying them. Yeah. And then it's like, all right, everybody off the ship. My and my pregnant wife, get her down to the, you know, escape pod. She has this baby. I mean, we have like a 10-minute conversation. The Romulans are still trying to destroy the ship.

How could they like d uh nearly destroy it in ten seconds and now You know, Chris Hemsworth has enough time for his wife to go into labor and have this baby delivered and then have a conversation before it's destroyed completely. Movie magic. I I guess that's the J J magic. Yeah, he's like doing he's like mixing uh soundboard on there. He's like DJing on those controls using the blaster forward for the colour.

No one has ever done what he's doing. My question on this scene is, why is his pregnant wife on the ship to begin with? Maybe she uh I don't know. I don't want to spend a second thinking about the answer to that. Um I liked when Spock uh told the council to F off when they mentioned his mother. Winona Ryder. Let's talk about Winona in this movie. She's in it, yeah. She's there come from. Out of nowhere. Winona from the top rope.

Um I dare you to do better. That was a great line from Pike. I dare you to do better. Pardo was probably in hell during the next scene where he's like, four, I'll do it in three. Purto in in a coma on a Him i him drunk and just beat up from the bar. w wandering onto this this uh the transport. Like what is the deal? Like anybody off the street can just walk on to a Starfleet transport and join the Academy? They need the help. They need the help. Me saw the security that Earth had.

They're desperate. It's Iowa. It's true. There's nothing. Does that state even exist still? No. It's gone. Um apologies. Creating a black hole in the center of a planet. It's pretty rad. Um also Zoe in the elevator or whatever you want to call that. Um, where she's like consoling him after his whole planet has blown up. She's like, What do you need? Tell me. I like that. What do you think? When she like f puts her hands on his ears. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Well, I mean I don't think Zoe gets enough credit for her acting ability. Yeah, the only highest female actress of all time. Yeah, we sing it to the high heavens in the avatars. People don't even know You've always been right about her. We we said it from the start. One of the greatest actresses ever, Zoe. I mean, have you watched the Avatar movies? Please. Out of my face. Yes. Um the stallion line. Uh how about um Simon Pegg's sidekick? Babu Frick. Homage.

Couldn't even spit it out. His little beady eyes. Yeah. Yeah, those eyes were insane. Um the nod at the end of the movie between the two. Classic. You can't escape the nod between two characters at the end of one of you. Um The final frontier. You know, when they say the final frontier, I'm like, you know what? Yeah, space is the final frontier. Yeah. Uh and our society is just so depressing and it will never get there.

Um but maybe I need to watch the next generation. That's what I felt like after this movie. Maybe that's Our pilot episode. Oh. Okay. Oh, okay. All right. Is that a nineties? That's nineties. It's gotta be nineties. It's very nineties. Um, I still have a ton of fun watching this movie. There's a lot of flaws. Okay, but I had another five-star experience. Oh watching it. Yeah. Flaws and all. Oh. Um Danny? Yeah. Um we've gone through almost everything. Osgood Perkins, jump scare.

Wait, where was he? He's who um saw Donna replace us. What? Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. Uh and then I wrote Madea says he's in the babu suit. And then I wrote down Medea jumpscare. Who? Medea. Oh yeah. Yeah, I was worried about that on this rewatch too. Um I have the most fun watching this film. I think it's so much fun. I'm locked in the whole time. And even when you guys talk about these. I I won't call'em plot holes'cause I there's probably explanations and we're just too dumb to figure it out.

I have a great time watching it. I think it's a fantastic film. It's so much fun. It makes me love Star Trek. It every time I watch it, I'm like, do I need to watch? The original series and Um next gen and Voyager. Like do I want to lock into Star Trek? Hmm. This could be your intro to Timothy's on at the con. Be like, yo, Tim, Z-Man. Talk me into the case. I just rewatched Star Trek 2009. This week.

Let's talk about it. As he's probably eating like a hot dog or something. I'll bring him a hot dog. Bring him a hot dog. P a hot dog peace offering. Yeah. We're not at war though. You never know what we're sympathy on. You never know. Um, never meet your heroes. Uh I'm five stars for this. I can't imagine not loving this film. I really have so much fun. And also I liked the next one, so I haven't seen it in ages, but

I need to watch it now. Yeah, I wonder if I would enjoy this movie a lot better away from like the talk. You know, having to deal with them telling the talk. was guessing that Benedict was Khan. Like is this is this the con movie? Are you guys redoing Khan since the second movie? And they literally said, No, he's not con. I swear to you he's not con. And he was con.

Would people have been upset though if they had just said he was con to begin with? Well, I think he plays his the character is named something for 90% of the reason. It's like John Smith. Let's hear it. Let's move on. Um Is it safe to admit at this point that the Beastie Boys is cringe? Like what if it wasn't Chris Pine in the car? What if it was some other kid that Beast Boys came on? Can't stand it, I know you playing it.

Yeah, I mean I guess it would work for club clip it. It works for like a thirteen year old. Like if you're a thirteen year old boy, yeah. But I mean I don't have any opinions on the Beastie Boys. They weren't my bag grown up, and I don't have any any thoughts. Me neither. Um how about Ben Cross? Spock's dad?

Uh I always think of him in First Night. I mean, I think that's the only movie I know him from. I don't know from any of them. Oh my god. You talk about Richard Gere, First Night. Uh-huh. You know he wears a scarf in that thing, probably. Look at his hair in this poster, my God. What are we doing sexual Richard Gearmont? You know, I was thinking when you were talking about his he is kind of like uh Michael Douglas.

Cobbycat terms. Yeah, he's like a PG thirteen Michael Douglas. Is there a film where Douglas and Gear are in together? Oh my god. What if they remade Star Trek with Richard Gere in the eighties as Kirk and Douglas as Spock. Now I just need Michael Douglas and like the prosthetic of Spock's forehead. I mean realistically the roles would be reverse. I think gear would be Spock.

Uh Yeah. Yeah. You know? We could try both. Somebody do Photoshop or both. We need a screen test for them like trying both roles and then maybe them just shutting down production. Uh Ben Cross, he has an amazing bowl cut in this. Yeah. That's rough. His wife tragically dead, but him walking around with his hair still. He also like nothing is like said about him being alive and his wife is dead for like twenty minutes.

Hanging out on the bridge. Can someone get this guy a chair or something or like a bed to go sleep? Um Oh, Jim running onto the ship the ship with the explanation that it's the Romulans from when he was a baby. It just like cracks me up. Just like I I know this. I know who this is. I w when I was a baby, these Romulans were here. Nipniping. Um This is a fun movie, everybody. Spock leaving his post as captain to call his mom and dad. Oh my god. Immediately. Embarrassing. Embarrassing. Um

Let's see. What are tubering control yung? How about him him running into the other room to take over the controls? Manual. Has he ever done this before in his life? It felt like everyone got onto this ship. Didn't he say I can do it, I can do it while he was running? Yeah, he did. But like why could he do it? Like why is no one like seems like I guess'cause they're all cadets, right? Like they're all but it seemed like no one had a job. But it's like

Who can do what here on this on this spaceship? That's what happens. That's what happens in space. That is what happens. Find a chair. Do your best. Victor, Victor. Oh this Romulan Romulan ship, where's OSHA? Like not a single railing on this ship. Dangerous ship. Super dangerous. God, it's so dirty. What are they mining? Dirt. It's just like so foul in there. 25 years on this dirty ship. And one of the I mean his sidekick had a perfect teeth. If you're a Romulan 25 years in the ship.

Those teeth are going down the tubes. Get some yellow coloring on those things. Yeah. I mean they're slurping just protein shakes. That's all they have. What are they eating? Actually, in the next generation, couldn't they just like request coffee made and like a hologram made it? Wasn't that a thing from that show? That's what they were doing. So yeah, maybe you're right. They had to do that.

Um J uh the on that that final scene when Jim he jumps to that other platform, he he shattered his entire ribcage at that moment. He's dead. Yeah, he he needs medical attention. Uh, but that's it for me. I mean it's it's a fun time. I feel like um You know, it does look good, but I feel like there's some JJ has some kind of like sneaky TV tricks that I feel like it uses to fool you into thinking it looks better than it does.

Um I'll not say any more than that. Thank you. Uh I'm at three stars for this. It's fine. There you go. It's okay. I have a good time, I guess. Jesus. Uh he will elaborate no further. No more questions, Your Honor. We we have one week to go this month.

One final episode and then we'll talk about uh April. Next week. We have some plans for April. We still need to iron them out. Uh but we have the bones of a plan. We have concepts of a plan for April. Mm-hmm. Uh but next week is the fifth week of the month and as is tradition. We will cover a Michael Douglas movie. Usually it's a sexy movie.

Uh there's a lot of m fifth weeks this year. Was not expecting it, but uh in honor of Robert Duval, we will be covering Falling Down from nineteen ninety three. Okay. Uh from one of the best to ever do it, Joel Schumacher. One of the best. Gosh, there's so many movies we still need to do from Joel. Lost Boys. St. Elmo's fire. God. Flatliners.

Uh a time a time to kill. Jesus. And we Kath McAnhey one? We've already covered Batman and Robin and Batman Forever on our Patreon for folks that are anxious to listen to those. Some of my favorite episodes we've ever done. But falling down, uh, the synopsis, an ordinary man reaches his breaking point and starts lashing out against the various flaws he sees in society.

This is if you're wondering about falling down, this is the one with Michael Douglas wearing a short sleeve white shirt, a tie, and a and a short haircut. Yeah. Almost looks like a uh Simon Pegg, movie poster. What was it called? Zombie movies he did. Utell U. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the name of the movie? I can't remember. Simon Unchained.

I can't remember what those movies are called. We'll get we'll get Dale to tell us what that title that movie was. It uh I'm sure it's good. Um but next week is Falling Down, uh Deanny. Are you excited to knock this off the list? Uh, sure. Never heard of it. We'll see if we like it or not. Your film that you picked for another film

Prono any closing thoughts this week. You know, if anyone wants to continue on the Star Trek journey, they're all streaming on Paramount Plus right now. And they're really you know, they're they are a good time. Yeah, you can get There's ten movies. For these three. future Star Trek that we have. So you know, get out there, watch them. See the real con. We'll see everybody next week for fall.

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