Sinners (2025)

Hey, it's your old pal Slim, and this is 70mm, a podcast for movie lovers just like you. Disclaimer at the top of the show, we're not experts, but we do love watching movies. With me each and every episode is my close friend and artist, Danny Haas. Hello. And our close friend and influencer, Pertalaxis. Hey Slim, you gonna invite me in? Oh, always.

Oh every movie that we cover is connected to a theme for that month and this time we're celebrating Black History Month and you can use the chapters in your podcast app to skip to the main discussion. This week we're covering Ryan Kugler's What the big story tonight? Um, congratulations to Danny. Danny's review for Sinners, fifty likes as of recording. Really?

Okay. I didn't realize that. Quote me running neck first into vampire Haley Steinfeld. That's good. It's it's the it's the quickest way to die. I linked to protos. Where's that one at? Here, hold on a second. Let me read Proto's review. Also doing equally well. 21 likes. Okay. He's catching it to me. Now we are talking. No, seriously. The movie stops for 30 minutes for a conversation at a doorway. We'll get into it.

Uh Toy Story Five trailer came out today, Danny. How you feeling? Are you ready to get back on the Pixar bandwagon? You know, I I I d I'm I'm I'm I'm in like both boats. Like I wish that still would have ended at three. I liked four, but five looks pretty good. The animation looks really good, uh, on it. What does that even mean? The animation like looks good. I thought the animation for Pixar stuff just kinda always looks

Have you seen Toy Story One? Toy Story One was 40 years ago. Exactly. This is the fifth one, and it looks amazing. Um other than that, I will probably see it when it's on Disney Plus. I don't know about theater. No? How I mean, if there's nothing else to see, sure. I don't think I will either. I don't think my kids I don't know if my kids all have interest in that that. I we haven't really sat down and watched all the toy stories.

I don't know if they even care. Yeah, mine don't care. Maybe my older ones might care that they once watched Toy Story, but I don't know. I mean at this point I heard wo I didn't watch the trailer, but I heard Woody's balding. That was a funny bit. Was it Paul in Discord it said like uh Tim and Tom sound old, I think was the comment for the trip. They've been doing it for forty years. I was cracking up. So happens, folks. Yeah. Are are you excited about it? Are you a Toy Story head? You know, I

Don't even remember if I saw four. Okay. I don't even remember I know forky. Keanu Reeves couldn't get you to see Toy Story Four. I'm one of the one of those guys. Oh, here we go. We're not we don't have to get into it. This is just too hot of a topic. One of those guys that didn't like th the way three ended. You like how three ended. You wanted them all to burn.

That makes sense. I we don't have to get into it. It's just too it's too hot of a topic. I don't think it's it sounds like we need to put this on a month somewhere. Some some opinions aren't worth sharing. We need to get this on the docket now. Not worth sharing. Uh when's Freedom Month again? And I can just pick Toy Story 3? Whenever you want. We can have Freedom Month whenever you want. Faves month. Is is Toy Story Three one of your faves? No. Let's move on. Okay.

Um, we'll get into it at the at the bottom of the show. But just a reminder, March uh is we're going back to Jack who Star Wars sequel trilogy month. Yeah. Uh we're covering the Force Awakens next week. We have the whole month plotted out. There's five weeks. That means we will be covering a sexual Michael Douglas movie. Yeah. You picked it for us. I d I suggested it. You picked it. And you both agreed. Just like you picked sinners too.

Broto is never more ornery than when we pick an event movie and he doesn't love it and it's my fault. It comes back to me. It makes me sick. We won't let him get away with it, folks. Inward Anyway, it's gonna be falling down. We're gonna do falling down for Michael Douglas sexual week. Uh I don't think he gets sexual in it, but um we will be paying uh homage to Robert Duval.

with that week. Yeah. Um, let's hear from our influencer fellow for 7 EMM pod, Galaxy Quest. You watched Galaxy Quest this week.

I did. I did watch Galaxy Quest. I was hanging out with my brothers over the weekend. We had a a couple pop. Together at the local brewery and then we walked back to my brother's apartment. We sat down in front of his seventy inch LED screen and said, you know, what should we do with ourselves? And uh, you know, we're in the danger zone there. You know, he's my brother's just flipping through Apple TV looking for a movie.

And it was precarious for a minute there. But then we found Galaxy Quest. And we were like, let's watch it for dad. Oh. This is what dad would have picked. Remember dad. My dad's still alive. I was just saying. Jesus. So we watched it. Um and yeah, I mean, I had a great we had a great time. We're laughing, you know, and I I I've seen it, man, I've seen it so many times. Um

And it's like every single line. I know the line before it happens, but I just I just love it. So I I had a fantastic time re-watching that. Uh, it was great. I uh after you r logged it, I realized we probably should have put it in our poll that we put on Instagram to choose the fourth movie of Star Wars month. Mm-hmm. Galaxy quest, that would have been I wonder how that would have fared in the poll. You think it would've won? Sure.

I I at least second place. Yeah. It might have run away with it. I d I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know if the you know, do do people do they love Galaxy Quest? I mean, I would love to have seen it for the first time on this podcast. Oh. We'll do it eventually. I mean, what came in last place in the poll was Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan. Yeah. Well, that's actually abysmal showing it 15% of the vote. Okay. We will reveal the winner at the end of the show.

Uh, but I also over the weekend, uh, I was able to see a a uh go to the theater with my family, which was nice. And we saw the new movie Goat. Mm-hmm. Uh this is the new animated movie uh from producer Steph Curry. She's uh he also plays a uh a voice. In it. I don't know if he's the ghost character. I don't think he's the ghost. Are you putting that out there that Steph isn't the goat?

Uh how do I get out of this? No, I mean he no he is the goat. But he was not the goat in the movie. Oh, okay I don't think he was. Uh, but I had a great time with this, you know, sitting there with my kids. Uh this the animation was great in this. I don't know what studio did the oh it's a Sony's picture. I think it's the Spider Man Spider-Verse people. Okay, yeah. Cause I was thinking, I almost said it in my review, I was like,

you know, thank you, Spider Verse, for what you've done. But then I was like, I don't know if this is really connected in any way and I wasn't gonna research it, but my intuition was correct. Um so the animation is great and it's really funny. Like for a kid's movie, it's not just like funny like you know, I'm I'm laughing to be nice. It's like I laughed a lot. It has a lot of like

like memes in this. Um, but like I thought they worked really well. Like me and my kids were like looking at each other like, did you just see that? Like laughing. It was it was really good. At the end, my youngest, he w he had been counting down the days to see this.

Uh, and we saw it with one of his buddies and at the end they were jumping up and down, hugging in the aisle. What? At the end of this. Yeah, they were just yeah, it was it was just it was a joyous, a joyous time at the theater. So I gave it four stars. I had a great time with goat coat. Currently higherly higher rated than sinners. Makes you think. Yeah. There wasn't a 45 minute conversation at a doorway that probably didn't like in goat.

Yeah. What is the plot of my own private Idaho? I've remembered the title of that movie, I've I've known of it, but I have no idea what that movie is. Phoenix and Keanu? It is uh River Phoenix, Keanu Reeves. I watched this for my hater club movie challenge. Uh I watched it a couple nights ago. This is from 1991, directed by Gus Van Sant, and I've uh I don't think I've seen any of his movies. The plot is River Phoenix plays um like a like a homeless guy uh turning tricks on the street.

But he's friends with Keanu Reeves character who is uh doing the same thing, but he's like waiting to inherit um this uh this fortune basically from his from his father. Uh, so it's like them living the same life, but really from completely different worlds, like River from the place of desperation and Fien and Keanu's character from a place of more of like rebellion.

Um I find like the the story, like the setup is like really great. But then it's also is like a take on a Shakespeare's play, Henry the Fourth. Oh. So there's like there's some like Shakespeare stuff in it that I just really did not care for. Um it kind of like goes it it's like one foot in, one foot out with the Shakespeare stuff. So at some points you're like, I feel like I'm just like watching a normal movie. And then other parts it goes like full Shakespeare, like quoting

costumes. It it it was it was kind of bizarre. Um so I I th and I I think that the story is is really good the way it's crafted. Um, just that thematically it's really good, but the way it was executed, it it just didn't really uh work for me overall. Um, but I'm glad I watched it. I don't think I've really seen any River Phoenix movies. Um, other than, you know, him and the last crusade, really. I don't like I can't think of anything else. He's doing indeed.

You never see Stand By Me? Oh, Stand By Me. Come on, pro. I don't know. I don't think I seen Stand By Me. You weren't with us at the mini metup. We what we went to um see Standby May a couple years ago. You should probably should try and watch Mosquito Coast. With Harrison. Oh, you know, I have seen Mosquito Coast, but it's been twenty five years. Okay. So I should return. Okay. Okay.

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Um, speaking of patrons, Cam, Claire, and Rohan all became patrons. They're getting the Hulk episode this week. It's coming. All right. All right. I'll do the art. It's in the can. Danny's been busy though. You've been a busy guy doing a lot of work. Um, get access to uncut episodes that are longer. Seventy percent or more of our patrons prefer those episodes. Get'em instantly that night after recording. Um so there you have it. There's a host of other s other

Audio commentaries interns get voting rights, except for this week, which I've only put on Instagram. Pro, do you think uh Slim put the vote on Instagram because he knew how the Instagrammers would vote? Wow. So you think he you think this was his pick again? He just I'm just wondering out loud. It's a great question, Dan. You're quite happy with how that vote went. Okay. You are quite happy. Because I found it. Just a rem I saw Prono vote too. I saw Pronos vote. Yeah.

Uh just a reminder, back to Jack who sponsored by Incrustibles. With a name like Smuckers, it has to be good. That's March, folks. Uh stay tuned. It can only we can only go higher in March. You're right. Um, real quick, I watched uh The Star Chamber that was on my watch list with uh Michael Douglas, Hal Holbrook, Yeah, Fett Koto. directed by Peter Hyams, the master himself of Time Cop,

Capricorn One, Sudden Death, and of course Twenty Ten. But um I can't remember if maybe it was the show we were talking about, but I I read the synopsis for this movie and it was A Michael Douglas with a gun on the cover, but he was a judge. And I was just very confused by what was going on. And the plot of the movie, uh let's see, I and D B says frustrated with the legal system gone haywire, a secret society of judges hire hitmen to snuff out criminals who escape courtroom justice.

but one young judge questions the ethics of their vigilante system. I actually didn't even know that much going in. I just knew that he was a judge and something happened and maybe he got a gun. Um so like he is a judge and I think it's based on a book, but some cases he is getting um, you know, like ch child rapists get arrested, but The way that they gathered the evidence is just outside of the legal system, like the way that they got the gun or found the evidence, like

They didn't have a warrant, uh the correct warrant. So essentially these people are getting off on a technicality and he has to, you know, go with the law. And it like it's starting to eat him up inside. Okay. And one one father of a of a killed child, like essentially goes after him and pushes him to the brink, and then he finds out about the secret society of judges that are like that agree that something has to be done to these people who escape

Like justice. It is pr it's a job. Where are they? Where is this vigilante group? I maybe it is exists out there. I don't know. They're not doing their job. Uh maybe they're doing it quietly. Who knows? But uh absolutely stunning to to look at. Peter Hyams. Um I I I looked up the cinematographer Richard Hanna. He had done this was his only movie, and I couldn't really figure out like how is this guy this good and has only done one movie? Turns out that Peter Hyams just kind of

photographed the movie himself and this guy was like nuts to this. I'm out of here. I'm going back to TV. Um so if you can it's a I gave it four stars. Great Michael Douglas movie, great cast. And it feels like one of those kind of like Slee like sneaky I don't know, like they used to make movies about books all the time, like the firm. You know, like there was just a run where all these actors were doing, you know, law movies based on books. Um, so it feels like a forgotten era for sure.

Um and then I watched Days of Thunder. Um speaking of gorgeous movies, yeah. That movie is a stunner. I know. I couldn't believe it on this rewatch about how good it looked. Robert Duval again. Um, who's a cinematographer for Days of Thunder? Let's see. Deacons. Ward Russell. What? He was the cinematographer of the X Files movie and The Last Boy Scout. But it was essentially just like all outdoors and on film, so it looks amazing.

Jane, what about you? Anything you want to talk about? Um, I have two things I can talk about. I watched on one of my journeys for the hater journey. Now I don't wanna you know, we've already ruffled feathers with the hater people. Can we not? Just go can we write out? Um but when I was doing my list, I picked something that I didn't realize was a goddamn T V show.

Um, so when I got to watch it that day, I didn't realize it was a T V show and not a movie, but I ended up binging the entire season in one day. Uh because I loved it so much. It's Normal People from 2020 with Paul Mescal and Daisy Edgar Jones. Uh I couldn't stop watching it. I wasn't sure. Um

I wasn't sure if I was gonna have to, you know, finish it or try and find something else for my list that day, but this is an incredible TV show. It's a w it's a one and done, which is probably why it's on Letterboxd. Limited series. Um, and they're incredible in this film. And I've seen so many memes or this this TV show, I've seen so many memes about how Paul is no matter who he's dating in real life, he's still in love with Daisy.

And after watching this I can understand why he's still in love with Daisy. Have mercy. Um Incredible little twelve episode limited series. I don't wanna I ca it's hard to talk about it right now because it's a T V show'cause it spans quite a few years of their lives together, so Uh together, separate, together, separate, you know. British? Yes, but it's from the BBC. I it's I think uh they were in a town probably closer to Dublin, so not um

It's Irish, I believe. Okay. Um I forget what name I forget the name of the the city they were in. Incredible London. Incredible little show. Uh so then for my other that was for my hater journey for the past the Bechtel test week. Um cabaret, I watched from my Oscars journey for the first time. 1972 is cabaret with uh Eliza Manelli and um Michael York. And so

Bob Foss, Bob Fossey directed this one. Uh it this is what's kind of been on my watch list to begin with. I really wanted to watch this, but I kind of wanted to watch all that jazz before this. I was kinda smitten with Liza in this film. I don't have you guys seen this? No. Cabaret? I have. Proto has a cabaret review. I feel like, I mean, it's shot incredibly well. Bob Fossey can shoot a picture, but every scene that was like outside of the cabaret, I was just kind of like,

Can we get back to the show, please? Can we get back to Liza on stage, please? Uh because she was really incredible. Um I would actually love to cover this on the show at some point. Um, maybe if we did like musical month. All that jazz. All that jazz month. But yeah, I was I was smitten with Liza. I don't think when I looked at her letterbox, I mean I've seen Cam comedy.

That's all I have checked off for Liza. I have no history with Liza. And that's like a whole separate journey. I probably should go on at some point. Next time I I do have a movie I'm gonna watch of Liza next. It's Scorsese and it's New York, New York with her and Robert or Robert De Niro. Um I have it waiting for me to fire up. Probably probably watch it next week.

Yeah, I'm trying to see what movies of hers I've seen. It's probably I mean, most of the stuff I know Liza from is probably arrested development, right? Yeah. Right. That's that's that's all I can really think of. Yeah. Hm. Anyway, had a great time. I mean, how often is it where you watch a movie and then you're compelled to do artwork almost immediately, right? It's'cause you did a Eliza piece that you posted.

Yeah, it's very f it's very few films that I come across, but this one was I I was smitten with Liza. She has a song called like Money, Money, Money. She's incredible. Yeah. Um maybe it's time. Get into it. Episode 299. Uh, one final time before episode 300, the last movie for our celebration of Black History Month, Ryan Kugler, Sinners.

Uh this changed it all, folks. Everything changed after this movie. Um What's this movie about? In nineteen thirty two Mississippi, twin brothers will come face to face with an agent. The Smokestack twins return home after seven years working for Al Capone. Their dream? Buy the old sawmill and convert it into a juke joint. Defying the laws of time and space, they managed to purchase the property and secure all materials and personnel to outfit and host Opening Night

Their secret weapon is their younger cousin Sammy, who plays guitar as well as he sings, but his talents will draw the attention of some with sinister intent. In one day, The dream of a lifetime will become a night of terror, never to be forgotten. It's a five star synopse. Great job. He's back. Fuck them. Uh if you were to add

Oh no. God, you gotta prep us. If you were to remove a movie from your four phase and add a vampire movie, oh discounting tonight's discussion. I'm not saying you would have rated this five stars, but What vampire movie would you add to your four faith on Letterboxd? Um well I'm gonna say the first one that came to mind so we don't have to waste too much time on this. Okay. Lost

Oh. Yeah. That was pretty smooth. I've only watched it one time and it was a couple of years ago. I think uh villager um Ev, yo Ev, had either logged it and I'm like, Man, I've never seen Lost Boys and then I watched it and I instantly fell in love with it. And I think I've I've thought about it often after seeing vampire stuff that I really need to fire it up again, or we should do it for the show.

I'd love to do Lost Boys for sure. I keep wanting to watch it, but I kinda hold off on it. Yeah, we should have you never seen it? I've seen it. Okay. Oh it seems like it seems like a U movie. A very slim coded movie. Sutherland alone is slim coated. God, if I could have that hair. I know, right? I knew you'd say that. Oh my God. Pro, what about you? Uh for me it's pretty easy. Uh FFC's Bram Stoker's Draco. Yeah. Easy. I mean, I would just, I mean, you

You don't have to twist my arm to put this in my top four. You know, this is like you know, if I'm watching a horror movie, if I'm watching a dr a vampire movie, this is it. This is the pinnacle for me. Easy. Yeah. One of my f our favorite my one of my favorite episodes us talking about that movie. Gosh, the production of that film. They don't make them like that anymore, folks. No one does.

Not even Francis. Um Chaz mentioned it in chat. Uh Blade. And that might that might be for me. When remember when we watched Blade Together? Uh last twenty twenty four we watched it together. That was two years ago. That was two years ago. I wrote my review Batman Meets the Crow. Are you starting to pay attention? I mean, what a what a movie. Yeah. Blade doesn't get enough love in this day and age, I feel like. I mean speaking of Blade, did you read that piece of information about Ruthie Carter

designing the costumes for the blade movie that didn't happen, so they reused it for this film because they were all they were both period piece films at the time. Pretty rad. What? What? I would love to read like a book on what the hell happened with Blade at at Marvel. How did they screw that up so hard? Marvel. Yeah, seriously. And Disney. Maybe that was the actual breaking point for the company when Blade didn't get made. It's not endgame. It's like whenever Blade fell through the cracks.

Um I mean I'd love a Ruthie Carter documentary. I'd watch it. I want to see all of her career. I'd watch it. What was uh now Danny, you yeah, this is a first time viewing for you. So what was like your vibe when this movie was coming out and uh and your decision to just kind of sit and wait? I honestly don't know why I sat and waited because I know when I saw the trailer, I was extremely excited about it. Um

I don't maybe it was just time of year. I couldn't get to the theaters in time. Proto gave it a three star, so I was already hesitant. Um,'cause I m I I just respect his opinion so much on film. that I just wasn't sure I'd make it out to centers after that. Um so I just kinda paused on it. My daughters saw it in theater before me. Ouch. Um So I don't know. I mean I was extremely excited about it, him doing vampire stuff.

And that's kind of all I got. Um, just never saw it. So I'm glad you picked it for this month's sum. I think there was like nuclear I didn't first of all I didn't pick up. Let me be clear. Sometimes they make suggestions. You know, and the other hosts uh go along with it or not or emoji react in agreement. Yeah.

That would be this podcast exists already. Relentless suggestions. But but you know, as is my credo, I would never share a DM. So I would not I will never share a screenshot of them agreeing to the the idea. You just have to trust my word on that. Yeah. But I remember when this came out, I feel like there was You know, nuclear hype. when people started to watch it, like the five

bangs were flying. Yeah. And I think, you know, in the insular cynophilia community on Letterboxd, I think that can sometimes work against a movie where like someone doesn't think it's a five star.

And we'll like, what's everyone talking about? And then like maybe that even lowers their exp their like experience of the film. Yeah. Um, so it was great to like rewatch this, at least for me, you know, how having so much time passed, not so much time, but like enough in the letterboxed sphere of like, you know, critiquing, where like you can kind of just sit back and watch it and with a fresh right perspective.

Pro what about you when it when this had come out? What was Yeah, I remember it was it was pretty pretty hyped and it was getting good reviews. And I remember the trailer was really compelling. Uh, it was exciting. Uh, and then I um yeah, I was like, I, you know, I wanna I wanna ride the wave too. Uh, you know, it it it just looked great.

So I went I went with two friends, Throwbridge and Vontmer in the Discord, uh local boys, and and we saw together. So that was it. I mean I you know I bought into the hype. Yeah. What's Throwbridge's rating? I think he's four and a half. Four and a half stars. Okay. What's Vommer? Hello. What is Vommer's rating? I don't think he posted a review. He's he's a does Vomer have a phone?

Yeah. Love when I get a snort out of front of my Well we were hanging out uh with my hockey team in the parking lot the other night and I like I made a joke and one person laughed and I was like, that's all it takes to make a noise. Uh so yeah, I mean the hype. was realized with like Oscar. Oscar saw Uh what is it? Uh how many noms? Sixteen set in the record. Best director, best actor, best supporting actor and actress, original screenplay score, song, and then cinematography, editing. Crazy.

I think like the cinematographer, uh, I wrote her name down. Mm-hmm. First woman of color nominated, I think, for cinematography, Autumn Archpaw. So yeah, I mean like just setting records left and right in in a lot of ways. For seven. A lot of ways. I was gonna go back and say one of the things that I heard about so much, and I've meant to look it up, maybe you guys did, was the conversation about Ryan

Owning the rights to this film after X amount of years. Twenty-five years. That conversation kind of took over. Um, the sinner's conversation for me. There's so much back and forth about that. So many people had like either negative reactions to it or positive. Um, which I thought was interesting.'Cause God forbid an artist own their work. Right. I think like only

I don't know, do uh is it like Tarantino that way? Does Tarantino get the rights back? I don't even know I don't know. Like when I read this, I don't think I'd ever heard of that kind of contract where like he gets all the rights back in 25 years. But then there was also another thing where like he got first dollar gross, where he gets a percentage on every dollar made revenue, not profit.

So like it's so the money that like the movie makes before they have to divvy it all up, he gets a percentage of that, which is also rare, I think. So yeah, like we played the the long game big time on this movie and they Warner Brothers is like, okay. Let's do it. So props to, I mean, props to everyone involved for even just like having that happen. So I wonder like what the future of the franchise looks like. You know what does he like? I remember there was rumors of like a sequel but like

Yeah, but I don't know. Like I someone posted a review that like they wanted to see the, you know, the Indian vampire hunter tribe like us to do a prequel with them. Like there's a I think there's like a lot to mine probably in this universe. Huh. I think we should hand I think you should hand it off. Oh find a uh a Native American director. Hello to tell that story. Hello. I'm listening. Okay.

I'm listening. We'll chat. That'd be great. We'll chat. Uh Ryan, I know you're listening. Um, but yeah, so I did you guys watch on HBO? Yes. Yeah. How about the aspect ratio changing? Did Dooney even do that on HBO? I don't even remember. I think it changed in the theater too.

I thought you were stuck with the format that you went to go see. Maybe I'm I mean maybe if you went and saw the seventy millimeter print, you were stuck with the seventy millimeter. Okay. I think if you saw IMAX, it changed. I thought that was wild. Yeah. It looked great. Especially in the scene where it was like they're winding up to fight all the uh vampires. Mm-hmm. When she invites them all in.

I wonder what the regular viewer thinks of movies that change aspect ratios when they just like fired up one night with their family. I'm trying to think of I mean, the last time I'd seen an aspect ratio that I can remember changing in cinema was it was it novel? Fallout did it. That's right. With the helicopter stuff. You're right, you're right, you're right. Um all right. So Danny, this is your first time viewing. Why don't you lead us off? What's at the top of your list? Uh top of my list. Um

There's a there's a scene in this film that for me it equals like major moments in cinema. And when I thought of the way it made me feel is the way like scenes like The docking scene of Interstellar made me feel. And it's the scene in the Jukehouse when Preacher Boy starts playing and It is his song and it's going through the generations of um African culture, black American culture, all the different type of music, styles, cultures.

Even when it gets to the Asian couple dancing, it kind of throws back to their heritage or their past ancestral music and dance. And that scene had me levitating. I couldn't get over how well it was shot, how the one are kind of took over for me and for it to end with the roof on fire, the the slaughterhouse burning down around them and the vampires watching from outside. Like I felt like I was levitating.

out of my seat watching this scene happen. And it really equaled to like big moments in cinema for me. And that this this moment did it. And it was I it just rocked my world. And I've thought about it uh so much since then. Um just incredible stuff. It's insane. I feel like I remember in theaters like wanting to turn to Amanda, I was like, Are you s are you witnessing this with me? Like, is this happening at the same time?

I couldn't believe that scene when I saw it too. And it goes on for like quite a bit and like my the interstellar call out is perfect, I feel like.'Cause that's another like ideal moment where like the music and what happens, like the emotional, you know, weight of the scene, but I was the same thing happened. This is the first time I rewatched this in theaters, but like I'm still sitting there like grinning, and then you're just like overcome with emotion because like

I don't know, it's like the the most perfectly done scene that I can remember, maybe since Interstellar, where it's just so well done and you're capturing so much without even really saying that much. Um God, it's such a good scene. Yeah. I love it. And I also love just like that plot of I think they talk about like music being so pure that it attracts

You know, it transcends time, past, present, future, but then like it also attracts the supernatural, like the beyond. I think that's such a rad idea. Yeah. Just in general. It's so cool. Like That you're doing something so universally powerful that like other beings sense it and like are attracted to it. That is a genius, genius idea. And the scene is so good. Yeah, I love I like how that in that scene how the music how it melds like the different uh genres and eras of music together.

so seamlessly. Uh it does it really well. And I mean Miles Canton who plays Sammy in this, like, his voice is like really is like to me is like incredible. Like it's it like gives me chills him singing and just like with the guitar together. Um It's pretty it's it's pretty magical. And really I think it it stands out as like the best part of this movie. It's just like the music that's in it. Yeah.

not just like the soundtrack or the score, but also the scenes of them playing uh in the movie. It is just really good. There's a couple of videos of Miles playing that song live you can watch. It's still kind of Reverberates into my soul. His voice is unreal. And the fact that he I watched one of the making ups showed that he learned. the guitar for this film. Like he's really playing his guitar scenes. Equal with Delroy learned to play the piano for his scenes, so it didn't look

Like he didn't like it was just an actor pretending to play the piano. Wow. So I thought it was just bonkers. And this scene equally made me mad that I didn't see this in cinema. Like this scene alone was like What the hell was I thinking? Yeah, uh I mean we're all asking it. I I'm asking it daily at this point. What was I thinking?

You were you were too stubborn. You know how you get with these Marvel movies coming out. You know how you get. I know. I know. Maybe it's time to change. Yeah. I have a gripe coming up, speaking of the Marvel movies. We'll get to it eventually. I mean Ludwig, even the score I feel like is dynamite. The the absolute like the the way the beats slowly come in, like really soon in into the movie. Um

with the twins reveal. Like he's and they're talking that like the score slowly comes in there. Oh my God, it's so good. Also he does that like rock kind of beat too. I think once the The first vampire attacks the two KKK guy people, the wife and the husband. And he kind of looked at the screen and it's like bam like this of the moon. Oh my God. Even that was unreal. Yeah, the music you can't even say enough. Like when they um meet Delroy Delta Slim

And he's like, you know, he's doing his thing at the station, but then, you know, they pass the workers on the road and he tells that story. I wrote this in my original review, but like him telling the story. and being in pain and he's making noises, just like recounting what happened to his friends. And then that turns into song was like that's another like five star moment. Like I couldn't believe how well done that was to just like show

You know what is behind so much of this music. Made up a story about him killing some white man for it and breaking that white man's wife. And then right there in the railroad station. You know they cut up a man who Mm-hmm. Huh? Cảm ơn các bạn đã theo dõi và hẹn gặp lại. Hey Um pro what's on your list? Well, I was going to talk about the music because that was like uh making it. You can keep going if you want. There's still more to talk about.

This is a safe space, folks. This is what the show is all about. Stop looking at live. If you can't be real with your friends, who can you be real with? Listen, um, we have now watched because of Slim, we've watched three Ryan Kuppler movies in the past, I think, two months. Yeah. Um And they all fe feature Michael B. Jordan and

I I just don't think he's a good actor. Oh, at all. No, I j I mean, well, I've watched these three movies and I'm like, you know, I'm looking back, like I'm looking in the room, looking around, I'm like Like what are like what what what are people seeing that I'm not seeing, you know? Okay. I I just don't get it. Like I I feel like, you know, what people say an actor plays themselves I feel like Michael is playing himself in all these movies.

And the whole swagger thing that he has in all his movies, it just feels like the same thing in each movie. And it's like uh I just like I I just don't buy it. I'm like, what like why are you swaggering around in all the like why aren't you playing a character? Like I just can't escape that of him, like it just seems like he's playing this same person. And then and then we get two of them.

Michael G you have Michael Jordan playing himself playing himself in two different roles in the same movie. And it just I I don't know. It's just it's hard. It takes me out of it, like the because he's the star. You know, I I just don't see This these characters of smoke and stack. I just see Michael B. Jordan. I was trying to think of like

white actors that do this, that maybe get a pass. Like don't we feel like Al Pacino does this? Or De Niro? Like doesn't De Niro isn't he De Niro essentially De Niro in most of his movies? Like he's being himself. Grace pointed out Kevin Costner in chat, which I think is pretty funny. Well, Grace has a vendetta, I think.

That's how I get proto on my team against Kevin Costner. No, I think that's true. I think a a lot of actors do it. I think yeah. I mean what they say you talk about like an actor getting a paycheck. Right. Um, and I will say, like, there's some actors who do this. And you might give them a pass just because Maybe you just there's something about that actor that you like. Like Keanu Reeves, like people love Keanu, but he's not really a great actor. But there's something about him.

that you might just like that you buy into or you connect with. So there's so Michael B. Jordan just doesn't have that intangibless that you can connect with. Exactly. Okay. If I can a little bit of an olive branch. Please I I don't disagree with you, Proto, in this film. And I I I also felt the way like I couldn't I there was something about his performance that I couldn't I it's very hard to buy into and it was the tough guy thing.

And I don't know if I buy that with I think after we talked about Black Panther, I felt it a little bit more. And in this, I there's a there's like a tough guidance that I it just feels forced from him a bit because it's like I just saw I just saw Michael B. Jordan in a like David Yeerman jewelry commercial. So I I just feel like he's a little too pretty sometimes. Maybe I think Michael B should be in rom coms. I need Michael B in some more romantic comedies or something.

This just in white men want Michael B. Jordan in w in rom coms. I do. There's there's just something about it that I w also wasn't buying in this in his performance in this. At the end With like uh I I don't remember if it's smoke or stack. Uh with the w with the baby stuff. There's like there was a real good emotional pull to that one. But for for a bit of the gangster stuff in the beginning, I'm just like, I don't know.

We I mean, I haven't watched a ton of Michael B. Jordan movies. I'd be interested to go back and watch Chronicle, which I remember loving. Chronicle was a Chronicle when he had his like the kids had superpowers. Um, like to see what other like just mercy, like he's got other movies where he's playing, you know, non-gangster, non Tough guy roles. It could just be that like we haven't watched enough of Michael B. Jordan movies.

That's true. Yeah. It's very possible. We've literally just watched Creed, Black Panther, and Sinners recently. So those are like top of the I think I've been influenced by Proto. That's my problem. I've been around. Yeah, he's rubbing off on you in this conversation. He's rubbing off on me.

They're gangsters. You know, they they were in Chicago for seven years. Yeah. Essentially as gang gangsters. So I'm I'll push back slightly and say, like, maybe it is very similar to the other movies we've seen Michael in, but That's just kind of their character, I feel like. IMO. Yeah. I mean, I saw them in Fantastic Four. So, no comment. I mean, when's this Miami Vice movie coming out? Isn't he supposed to be in Miami Vice? Oh God. With Austin Butler.

Joseph Kaczynski. The God. Wow. Uh directing. Stay tuned. Um, I enjoyed Michael B. Jordan this movie. I forgot like, you know, it's it's the same ca actor on screen in many scenes. Like they're doing, you know, some doubling happening. And I honestly just forgot. Like halfway through the movie, I was like, oh, that's right. It's the same person. I wonder how they filmed this. So like it wasn't like taking me out of it.

um at all for for Michael B. But it's like I agree, like maybe it's time for us to kind of poke around to see his filmography a little bit deeper than the the current modern stuff. I I if you want to talk about the twin stuff for a second, I I also will give you an olive branch. Okay. I think I also was I forgot that there was one person. I think that performance and the way they did the twin stuff.

uh was seamless and I never once questioned it at all. And I think they do it so well in the first part where um smoke and stack are just waiting on the car and they're handing the cigarette back and forth. And that's when my brain was like, oh, there's two people there. And like uh and then I never disconnected for the rest of the film.

You watched um a making of do they talk about like filming that stuff? Yeah, it's actually it's actually brilliant what they did. And it it really is it feels brilliant and also simple, but um They had they had a body double. Like they had someone literally playing the part Andy Circus. Opposite They but they had someone playing the part opposite of Michael B and then they would switch roles.

And they would play it opposite and they would use a lot of face scans. They built this halo thing that goes around. So Michael B would basically perform each role twice. One time as a actor just kind of performing i in the scene and then one time with this halo thing around his neck that had like ten cameras recording his face so that they could superimpose it onto the Whoa. other body as it interacted with it was insane watching how they did it. And it was it felt it was seamless.

Yeah, I need to watch the making of stuff. It's only like thirty minutes. It's worth your time because they cover so much of the production of this film and it's like I feel like there needs to be like a a two hour making of for this stuff. The amount of work put into this movie. Yeah.

Um on this watch I I I could swear that there were people who saw this movie in theaters that thought it was like really muddy, where like the presentation, maybe they saw it in IMAX or 70 millimeter or whatever, like it was it was a little too dark. Um, so sitting at home and watching on the TV, it was very dark. However, I feel like the cinematography and like the natural lighting stuff.

I didn't care at home. Like I thought the the whole usage of natural light was pretty striking. And even the scenes where it like there's just no light at all inside, I was just like totally fine with. Even the scenes where they're going through the fields and driving. Some of those shots just look so surreal. I don't know if it was like dusk or whatever or they did something to it.

Um it looked crazy. So like overall the cinematography and like the photography of film, I thought was incredible. And I always crap on movies that like film day for night or whatever. But I mean, so much of this movie is outside of that, you know, sh like the building at night and it looks awesome, I feel like. Even like the vampire eyes stuff.

And then dancing in the shadows, like b in the you know, in the distance. It looks so cool. Um Pearl, what did you think of the the visual snap of the movie? Um Yeah, I watched that making up too, the thirty minute one. And there was a they show the shot of like towards the end. Uh they show like the behind the scenes of them like shooting the shot of where the camera backs up and it's the three vampires.

Standing uh and then it goes behind them and it looks very bright, but then like when they show it in the movie, it's like really dark. Um, and I think that must have just been like a choice to make it really dark.'Cause I thought of that. I thought, you know, this does real at certain points it does look really dark. But I guess it like

I it didn't really bother me either. Um, and I thought there's like just some really great like um cinematography in this as well. Like the shots of the cotton fields, like just some of those like wide shots. I mean, they look great. Um, the shots at the train station. Uh, I thought those looked great. And then yeah, the stuff with the sawmill at night. Um Yeah, and I I I thought it played well, especially what you were saying with like the vampire eyes. Like that just

it really I think worked for the most part. I think I think most of w how it looked, I thought it looked good, really up until maybe like the last twenty, thirty minutes. I didn't really Well, the I think the vampire fight scene, it gets a little eh and the whole s thing with them in the water, it just kinda look it kinda looked like it lost its luster in those moments. And that's probably because like those are the scenes that have the most action. and uh like CGI in it.

Yeah, uh I the baptism like homage scene had to been the most difficult to film. Like All those people in the water and like trying to make it sort of like near sunrise, but still make it cool and not to CGI, that had been so difficult. Yeah. Get that right. I actually for most of the film didn't like how it looked. And it wasn't the muddiness of it. It was There was a weird like tinge to it that felt like the whole thing was CG. Like I thought, oh, if I watch this behind the scenes.

Everything's green screened. Or a lot of this wasn't really there. It was a really weird. um feeling. And I don't know why because then I watched the making of and it's like, oh, they're they're all on location. So I guess maybe if maybe changing the brightness of the day to make it look night. Um or something. There was a there was just like a weird vibe to it. And I it honestly it felt like

a Marvel tinge that maybe uh Ryan had to this like vignette of the frame. I don't know what it was. Yeah, maybe it was a real color profile because that first shot where he's driving the car to the church. It's like sort of dark, but not really. It's interesting. I don't know. I don't know what it is that really just set it off. And and in the scenes where they're just driving through the cotton fields.

That felt so fake to me that I didn't love it. Yeah, I don't know. It was just really odd. It was really off putting. Interesting. But you brought up the lenses, the contact or the eyes. the one I was watching, there's a different making of those are like five different things. There's one with a guy who designed the molds for the vampires and stuff, and they're trying to figure out how to get the eyeshine like animals have ice shine in the woods.

And s he called someone and this lady who's been she's like, I was just on the verge of developing exactly what you're talking about. And they show these contact lenses that all the vampires in the film wear. And we see them up close. But when it's shot in the dark and from distances or when they're in the background and it's shining, that's all practical because they invented the the contact lenses to reflect the animal eye shine in real life.

And the other one of the problems was they could barely see through the contact lenses. So like they had problems like walking around and stuff. But it was such a really cool practical thing to make. And so smart. Yeah. I like that aspect of the vampires too, a little bit different, a little animalistic.

Mm-hmm. They're c they're creepy. Like they're genuinely creepy. Mm-hmm. And I think we've goofed on previous vampire movies a lot, but I thought they were like the way that they were portrayed as like, you know. wanting people to join their family and be free and like especially they're talking to like, you know, a segregated black community. Like it it works so well. Mm-hmm. Assimilation. Yeah.

Jack O'Connell. I think this might be the first movie I've seen Jack O'Connell in, but I think he's also in the new Twenty Eight Days Later later. Is he? Yeah, I think you I think you see him at the end of maybe the first one.

And it's probably a a more of a role for the second one. Actually, I don't even know. Remember we talked about like that being a trilogy? I think they're like up in the air if they're even gonna make the third one. But people love Bone Temple. Yeah, but nobody went to go see it, I don't think. Oh. Or maybe not enough people. Um Pardo, next on your list?

Um, yeah, I I think the biggest gripe I have with this is the um just some like how the the plot un unfolds. Um when I saw this in theaters You know, I'm like an it's like an hour in, out 90 minutes in, and it's like, all right. There's no actual like plot. This is like we're getting ready for a party. We're having we're opening up the juke joint.

It has such a weird rhythm to it, or like it doesn't have a rhythm, or it doesn't really like have a structure. And I remember feeling like lost as to like What is the expectation with this movie? Where is it going? And for me, often when that happens in movies, like I don't I don't like that feeling. And I don't like when movies are set up that way. Um and it feels like there isn't really like a plan necessarily. Um So th when I g when you get to like

90 minutes in, and then like the vampires start showing up. And then, you know, in your head you're thinking, all right, so this is just gonna kind of end. Like we're almost towards the end. So it's gonna we're gonna resolve this the vampire thing. And like that's the whole movie. Um So it just to me, it's just like such a weird plot. Um and doesn't do enough of like I think filling out the stuff that's like interesting in the movie between certain characters.

um kind of throws in like a lot of different characters. You have um Cornbread. You have cornbread, you have Sammy, you have the twins, you have Haley Stan Stanfield's character, um you have Stack. Stack him and his wife. Like there's all these different characters, but they're they're given like so little time to like marinate or like develop. And when what you do know about them, it's often like a dialogue dump.

It's like these two characters are like reliving their past almost in a way to like catch you up on like what the story is. Like that scene with Michael B. Jordan and um Uh, and Mary, where they're like talking about their past. It's like this is clearly like an exposition dump to like catch you up on their life, but it doesn't really. add anything to the movie. It just kind of tells you what happened. And there's a lot of telling in this movie. So that like it

uh honestly it's just got I'm kinda like, all right, all right, you're telling us all these things about all these characters, but like why? Like what is the point? Like what how is this helping? Like what are you trying to convey? So I really struggle with that with this movie overall. I remember wondering in theaters like

It's like the Millhouse meme, When Are They Getting to the Fireworks Factory? Of like Millhouse crying watching the itchy and scratchy special. It's been a long time since I made a Simpsons reference on this show, okay? Um, but I guess if you considered like the main plot of them making uh you know, setting up a par a big party, like that's the plot. Like you eventually get to the party.

You at least in my view, it's like, you know, it works better that way. But in terms of like the exposition, I'm okay with that stuff because It feels like that's what happens when you leave a town and come back after seven years. Like you're gonna have those conversations and you're gonna be catching up with people. Like when both the brothers catch up with, you know, their previous lovers or wife, whatever you wanna call.

the relationships. I mean, like I feel like those were those were fine for me. Um I liked the the mini expositions. catching up cornbread, Delta Slim, um, the shop owners, the Chinese shop owners, like all those little things worked for me. The the issue I have with the plotting stuff, like we should also mention that um Ryan got final cut also for the movie, like as part of his deal. Like he, you know, no one's forcing him to make any changes to his movie.

The epilogue, there's like 20 minutes, 25 minutes left when the when Jack O'Connell dies. There's still a lot of movie left. And like I forg I honestly forgot that the KKK was coming at dawn. And I was like, oh my God, I forgot about this whole thing here. Um and then there's like the the epilogue that hap like the Marvel, you know, secret scene that happens as the credits are rolling. I was like cracking up um But it's just like, I don't know, it's it's paced differently than most movies.

But I still love like the epilogue. Like I love them catching up, you know, decades later. If anything, I like I first of all, I love him murdering the KKK. I'm always in favor of that. We're pro murdering KKK. I'm pro annihilating any member of the KKK viciously in a lot of ways. By the gods. Um But in the s grand scope of the story it it is like a bumpy

Change of pace, I feel like. But you also get to see him, like, you know, he's a WW1 vet, I think, right? So you get to see some of that like backstory. unfold in the way he just absolutely murders the KKK, which again I'm in favor of. Um so in terms of story structure, I agree with some of it, but the the backstory stuff still worked for I actually I don't think I had any problems with the story structure or pacing. I think I was locked in

I mean I'm I would think I was locked in from Preacher Poi walking with the broken guitar back into church. Mm-hmm. Uh and I think the odd pacing of it or at least the structure of it I think it being kind of different or odd or me kind of wanting to get to like show me the vampires or um anything like that. I think the anticipation of that kind of

kept me engaged in I don't know, in a way that I don't know if I would have been in another film. But I I don't know. The the breaking up of things, the the expedition exposition dump Kinda liked it. I didn't mind it. It didn't bother me. I feel like the the the time of this film flew by quite quick. Um But yeah, it it didn't bother me. I'm trying to think of what movie we watched where we kind of had opinions on the structure, but then we were like, But you know what? He got to make his movie.

What was that movie? I kept like using that as a Oh, interesting. What did we say? Well, I'm scrolling through a library and I cannot think what movie that is. But I I just remember saying several times about like, you know, he did it his way and I respect it. I don't know if it was Megalopolis but or if there was something The Was it King Kong? The postman.

I don't have any I don't know if I had any respect for what Cosner did with that film. I think it was King Kong, Peter Jackson's remember. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah. Because we like that movie was, you know, obviously very different. We disagreed with like a lot of decisions, but

We kept coming back to, you know what, Peter Jackson earned it. This is what he wanted to do. So it's like w you know, that's the artist has full control, like more power to him to do it. I mean, I think this film feels feels more earned than Peter Jackson's King Kong. Because this is a complete original creation from Kugler. Yeah. Story. Even kind of what'd you say? He created vampires. Well, I think he told the vampires different than I've seen him in cinema, if that makes sense.

I don't feel like this is like a normal vampire. Um I f I I don't know. I feel like Coogler definitely earned The right to make it how he wanted to make it. Yeah. Back to the epilogues. Uh I actually really did li I like those. I've really liked the final one too, with like the the flash forward. Anytime you show

A vampire like traveling through time. Like I mean. I mean or a vampire saying like I'm five hundred years like all they have to do is say I'm five hundred years old. I'm like, hell yeah. Like I just want more of that, you know. I mean honestly, if they made like a a mini series of these two characters set in modern time, like I'm eating that up.

Uh like I I I love that. Um I feel like that like that is such like a how have we not had more vampire movies that do that of like just jumping through time? Uh'cause that is such a a fascinating part of it. Um So but yeah, I enjoyed those too. And yeah, even like the him mowing down the KKK and then like this flash forward, it's pro it's the most jarring of the moments in the movie.

But I did l I think I I really liked that part of it. Um,'cause I think because it then it did break up the pace. It sh it was such a drastic change that it felt fresh to me. I mean I'll take a future I'll take a whatever mi eighties, nineties vampire movie seventies with with Michael B in a koogie sweater the whole time. You kidding? Sixties.

Like go through the decades. Christ. With Haley and Michael B. Jordan, that is like a recipe for a billion dollar franchise on HBO. Billions. People don't want to make money, and that's fine. That's okay if HPO. Clearly with Blade. Uh Dani, next on your list. Anything we haven't covered yet? Um Goodness. I don't know. What haven't we talked about? Uh Delroy. Delroy is high up on my

list of really enjoying his character in this film. I mean, I love any film Delroy's in, honestly, because he's such a powerful I don't know, presence in a film when he's playing the harmonica, um, and then playing the piano and him just like being there, there's just a there's just a there's just a force he is in a film. His voice is so

Delroy. It's just like it's him. It reminds me of Gonsky Seconds. It's just I just want him to say a line from Gon Six. He rocked our world in Gonas Six. I know, he changed my life in that film. He really did. It's so true. Um, but I love Delroy in this. I mean, I love the cast of characters. Preacher boy is so good. Haley is stunning in this. Uh, even vampire Haley when she's talking to him after getting shot like ten times.

You want to say that one time when I'm not talking over you? No. Can we isolate that, please? Excuse me. Um and I love you know, uh back to the vampire stuff, the outdoor scene with the Irish jig and their singing and it all kind of culminates.

It's like they've started to assimilate with the they got the black people out of the chur out of not the church, the the um juke shack and they're with them now. And it's like there's so much I feel like There's so much symbolism that I'm not picking up on as a white in America that like the Jim Crow era and what does it mean to like invite them in?

I know that's like a vampire thing, but it really feels like way more like of a symbol of inviting these um oppressors into our, you know, very black, uh establishment that we've created with our own hands and then it being taken over and then being burnt down and the one person that gets back in is the white girl and it's like there's so much more to this film that I think I'm missing.

that deserves a second watch from a more, I don't know, not critical eye, but um I don't know what other eye would be, but you know what I mean. Yeah. What's your rating? Five stars. I don't think this is a perfect film, but I think it's a five star film. I had I I honestly was locked in most of the time. I have my Michael B. gripes, I have my weird tinge on the cinematography that I don't love.

But I was locked in. I I had an incredible time. I really loved the story. Um, and I'm telling you, that scene in the Jukehouse when Preacher Boy starts singing. is an ethereal moment for me in cinema. Mm. Also, they actually burnt down that building to get that shot. Really? Yeah. It was the very final day of Photography and they decided to burn the building down. Wow. To get that shot of the roof burning. How do we get the building in universal?

Yo, a sinner's Halloween Horror Nights walkthrough? Are you kidding me? Or even a bar. Like, you know, Jocks, but uh Like the Burning Tavern where the root catches. Oh my god, that'd be sick. Honorable mentions or some other notes. Uh the thing that drives me crazy, I I I felt this the first time I watched it and then watching it now when um O'Connell's character shows up for the first time and he's running to the farmhouse. Yeah. The sun is still up. And he's out in daylight.

Like where is he coming from that he's not burned up and dead? Like that scene, it just like and I it's like whatever. It's a vampire movie. Like all vampire movies have plot holes, whatever. Maybe he was wrapped up in a burlap sack by the vampire hunters. He got loose. That's a great point. You know, maybe it was cloudy. Yeah. That might be it. Um Cornbread needing to be invited in.

Me rolling my eyes on my couch. Come on. That was a great scene. I mean how many of that times are you gonna are you gonna invite me in? How do you invite me in? But it's the thirties. They don't they don't know what's going on. I mean Annie does. No, it's not that, but there's like four or five there's like four different characters who do like the same thing of like asking to be invited in. Like we get it. The whole you gotta invite the vampire in, we get it. Final cut. Final cut.

Ryan Kugalingus. Excuse me? Is are you workshopping that? I just did. Live workshopping. When is enough enough, Ryan? I mean the audio so I listen to this with my AirPods on and the audio of that screen is off the chart. Uh the big fight scene with the vampires Why at the moment of victory do all the vampires then run out of the juke joint to let them live?

I th I wondered that too, but uh maybe they thought they were losing or th it was positioned that they were actually losing the fight. Oh, okay. Because I think O'Connell was injured. And then that pain was being transferred to everyone else. Yeah. So then they're like, Okay, let's retreat here. He was like the head. Cut the head off. Uh-huh.

Um yeah, maybe just like the way that it's shot. I feel like that wasn't I like I didn't I didn't kick pick up on that. Cause I'm like, well also it's like it's thirty versus like six. They're all vampires. There's a lot of vampires, yeah. Impressive. Them all just getting burned up by the sun. I mean, Vampire 101. You gotta stay out of the sunlight. Please. Can we just go back in the sawmill, pick this up in another twelve hours?

Uh, but I'm still at three stars for this. I think the m like there's a I have a lot of trouble with it. I don't like the outs, but the music is really good. I think all the the scenes with the music really carry the movie for me. What about the Chinese couple just burning up together? That shot is nuts. Yeah. Oh gosh. Uh we haven't talked about Annie too much. She gets nominated for Oscar. She's great in this film. Um I loved

I think it's called hoodoo. I love like the spiritualism, the traditions that she had. Um and I looked it up. Uh Hudu is a complex set of spiritual observances, traditions, beliefs, including magical and other ritual practices developed by enslaved African Americans in the South. Okay. So like all this stuff that she's calling out, like the hint stuff.

I loved when she was talking to cornbread. Um, she wanted just him to admit that he was dead and not really like a vampire at that point. But that was another thing. Like there was no like assumption that he was a vampire. There was an assumption that he was just dead and he and like the spiritual like realm had over something has overtaken him and he's gone at this point. So I like all that aspect stuff I love too. Like not even just like

The vampirism. Like before that, it's just like, you know, southern mysticism, you know, rituals that they think is happening, which is uh even cooler, I think. Yeah, like southern gothic. It reminds me of uh True Detective that first season. Oh kind of. Yeah. And then I think I also saw like I made a joke in my review that this was, you know, from dust till dawn for anyone born after nineteen eighty s nineteen ninety six. Because like the vibes are very close.

But then I I read that Kougler like, you know, he he was inspired by that movie, but also the faculty. Mm-hmm. I think he mentions it in the in the in the doc about. Which now, like looking back, it's like forehead slapping. Like that is like essentially those two movies combined. And you have set. Um The snake jump scare. Get that out of my face. But when that guy got shot in the ass and then the guy got shot in the leg. What you hear him like off screen say, what if I get sepsis or some shit?

Um Lisa, go get your mom, the winner, when she leaves the shop to go get uh her mom across the street. That was dynamite. They're running that town. Oh my god, yeah, they were. The couple. Um Um, I can't remember. But like he asked him his wife to make a sign and he needs it tonight and he's like Bo chat an eye.

How long does it take to paint a sign? I'd be like Bowen Grace Chow. I would be like, I can't I'm busy. Yeah, I got so much to do today. You want me to paint a sign for tonight? Just a few money use source. I want a thirty five millimeter cut of this. Mm. 'Cause it's immaculate my face. I wonder if this kicked off like or I guess maybe no one maybe did, but the technical discussion as marketing.

Like this was a that was a big proponent of the marketing arm of this movie was like talking about the format and the various formats. I just saw another tweet about like Project Hail Mary now also leading into what format will you see it in and like how many times? I I'm just kind of dreading a potential blowback of like the technical aspect of this becoming marketing st stuff. Yeah, it does seem like it's picking up. I feel like before There'd be like one or two movies. But now it's like

It's all over the place almost. I feel like it has to be to get people to see a something in a way that they can't see from a streaming service in their house. Yeah, it's almost like a must have now if you're marketing. You're not gonna get seventy millimeter IMAX cinema experience from the comfort of your couch. At all. No matter your setup. Katie and Chat jokes on them. I still don't know what 70 MM is.

Well, I'm uh I'm already at the point where if I'm going to see a movie in the theater and I'm not seeing the IMAX or Dolby cinema, I'm like, uh, do I even want to go? Yeah. Yeah. Dolby, Dolby is so good. I'm a big Dolby guy. Are you? Love Dolby. Yeah. Uh let's see. Delroy drinking that Irish beer at the uh station. Man, alive. What a shot. Um I'm married by the way. Happily? Careful boy. I got her walking away. I wrote, Good lord.

I like the uh I I wrote down homage to Shining and the Thing when they eat the garlic and pass it around, like trying to figure out who's been infected. Right. For like such a thing. And then that shot of Michael. From the ground up as he's leaning on the door, like from the shining, when he's talking to when he's turned from the inside. He's locked in. I was like, oh, it's a shining homage.

White folks like the blues, just not the people who make it. That's a banger line. Uh Delroy telling the story, Oscar, pain becoming song, five stars. I mean, yeah, I'm probably I'm I'm five stars. I'm gonna go up. I mean the Delroy scene and the the musical scene are just Just insane. And obviously the movie's a lot of fun. So I'm I'm going up half starter five, but Um, the crows circling the house as the Indians arrive to kill Jack. I mean, that's an another great shot.

Oh, them singing um the three of the vampires singing to them at the door to show them like that they they w they wanna have fun and they're the actual musicians too. Oh my god, so cool. How did they even like develop that in the time that they became vampires? Is that just like a mind meld that Jack is able to give them? Mm-hmm. So cool. Uh oh, Jack, when Mary goes out to the bench to like see if they have money and Jack starts drooling.

Oh my god, it's so creepy. Same track. Yeah. Same. Delroy saying, I think I shat myself. Classic. Classic Delroy. I also love, like I touched on it a little bit, but like the transcendence of the music, but Jack. Feeling it and saying that he needs Sammy because he wants to see his people again. He wants to like bring his ancestors back. And he wants to use Sammy for that. That is fresh and new and like never been done, I feel like. That is so dynamite. Um...

Also, them just talking about like at the end, you know, that I still think that was the best day of my life. And he says, like, just for a few hours, I was free. Yeah, man, what a special movie. Five stars for sure for me. Glad we were able to join the show. Me too. I mean, Ryan till we can't wait until we revisit it. Oh.

I really want to see like Ryan Cooler has talked about that he's gonna do an X-File series next. I know, that's insane. But like I I almost just don't believe it. I don't wanna get my hopes up for X Files again. I've been burned by X-Files. Mm-hmm. Countless times. Chris Carter needs to stay as far away as possible from the X-Files as we can as as Ryan can do it. But if it if a Ryan Cooler X-File show happens, that's gonna be huge. Huge. Uh we have a VM. Okay.

From our dear friend Orlandy. Okay. I also love when uh Andy sends these voice notes because Apple Memos doxes him. It just like says the location in the audio file, which is pretty funny. So I think it I think Andy recorded this at a bagel place because that was the name of the I won't say which one, but

What is up seventy millimeter? It is Andy calling from Missouri. Just wanted to uh leave a quick message uh before your sinners discussion. Uh first off, uh Slim, I love that you picked the comedy uh thank you month and so let's let's let's make america funny again you know let's let's do on the show. I'm here for it. Uh Danny love the uh bad bunny art piece. Uh love the cause that we get to help and and don donate towards so that's super awesome.

And then Proto um if you had a hard time with Michael D. Jordan in Black Panther, spoiler alert, he plays Two rolls in cylinders. Bye. Andy recording that from the bathroom of a bagel place, I feel like. The acoustics. Good lord. Is that print still available, Danny? Do you wanna talk about that at all? Um It's not. Uh because it's off to the printers.

Um, I believe the amount I'll be donating to the Florida Immigrant Coalition is gonna be around seven hundred dollars. Hello. It's pretty cool. Hello. I haven't done the final calculations yet, but um Great donation. I'm very excited about giving that money to them. Um so yeah. Thank you to everyone who bought a you know, bad bunny print. Nicely done. Our fearless leader. Benito.

You remember when he wrestled in WWE in Puerto Rico? Did you watch that show? Yeah. That place was electrified. You were thinking that he was gonna come out because of the Super Bowl. He was gonna come out on during the rumble. I think the WWE is a very in a very different place now from when they had Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico. I extremely doubt they'll ever go back to Puerto Rico again.

But that's neither here nor there because next week we're going back to Jack who Star Wars sequel trilogy is March's theme, and we're going to be doing the Force Awakens. Next week from twenty fifteen. Every generation has a story. Thirty years after defeating the Galactic Empire, Han Solo and his allies face a new threat from the evil Kylo Ren. And his army of stormtroopers. I cannot wait to re-watch this. I'm so stoked. My God. Cannot wait.

Gosh, this is only a three point two on letterboxed. It's not a letterboxed movie. Let's be real. No, that's true. No, they don't it's not a letterbox. They don't get it. It's not their kind of vibe. That's probably the same for a new hope, let's be honest. Yep. I just looked at the cast and I was like, who does Andy Circus play? I completely forgot he played Smoke. Oh my god.

Oh geez, what a different time. 2015 does not even feel that long ago. But this like when I think back to Force Awakens, it feels like 20 years ago. It does feel a long time. It's the discourse. The discourse took so many years off of us. Yeah. God, I cannot wait to talk about this. I want to get into it right now. What's just 2015? Remember going to theaters to see this? The teaser trailer, the stormtroopers.

Remember when you gave us a Mary Sue and Ray? Oh my god, Mary Sue. Have we ever heard of the first time I heard that phrase? The first and last time you would ever hear the phrase Mary Sue was during this trilogy. Oh my god. Jump like John Boyga as the stormtrooper who like goes AWOL. Oh my God. We had a good anything was possible. Anything was possible. You're exactly right.

Gosh. We're gonna go back, folks. Anagul in chat. Quote The discourse was so awful around this. Can't wait to kick off some discourse about this. We're gonna kick off some good. Okay? We will fix this. We will fix Star Wars. As only we can. Uh, I think I might have a 4K disc about around here. I mean I keep seeing these videos like you know how these you know, anal retent of A V Club nerds posts like screenshots of like, you know, 4K streaming and then it's like Blu-ray disc quality.

And it's like the Blu-ray disc quality is allegedly better than just 4K streaming quality. It's true. Just like I need to start. I see you found my Reddit post. I'm just saying, maybe I pop in the 4K disc. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yes. Okay. Okay. Uh, Grelephant Parenthesi Matt, is it possible to enjoy this movie in the same way, knowing how the trilogy goes?

It's a perfect trilogy, so who knows? This is the discourse that we will get into next week. We will settle the score. Last time I logged this movie was 2019. Crazy. Wow. Um pardon, any closing thoughts this week as we end Black History Month celebration as we venture into uh Force Awakens. You know, you say that uh Ryan Kugler mentioned the faculty

when making centers. I've never seen the faculty. No either. And now I'm really fascinated. About that cast, huh? You look at it. I mean yeah, nineteen ninety eight, Josh Hartnett, Elijah Wood Or Dana Brewster, Clea Duvall. There's a... Famca? My uh Femka's maybe her best role. Really? Famka Jensen. But she was she was Gene Gray. This was like one of my earlier memories of a cult movie for like our generation.

Like The Faculty was a was a cult movie. Was it? Yeah, I think so. I mean it's wild Elijah Wood before it was a cult movie for our generation. Say that again? Which one? Sorry, you're you're committing to watching the faculty this week. Is that right, Pro? Are you committing? Um I don't think I'm committing. I'm just saying it I'm I'm tempted. It is on Paramount Plus. It's America's Network. We could watch it if you wanted to.

So we'll see. But maybe. I'm tempted. I'm tempted. Okay. Maybe someone else can watch it. We got journey should watch it. We got journeys to deal with. A lot of journeys going on. But uh episode 300 is next week. We'll see everybody then for a force uh the force Star Wars. We'll see everybody next week for the Star Wars The Force Awakens. 70mm is a tape deck production featuring original artwork provided by Danny Ha.

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