Fatal Attraction (1987)

Hey, it's your old pal Slim, and this is 70mm, a podcast for movie lovers just like you. Disclaimer at the top of this show, though, we're not experts, but we do love watching movies. With me each and every episode is my close friend and artist, Danny Haas. Hello. And our close friend and movie insider, Protolexis. I will never look at a kitchen sink the same way again. The face rubbing alone.

When there's a fifth week in a month, we cover a sexually charged Michael Douglas movie because it's our show and we can do whatever we want, honestly. You can use the chapters in your podcast app to skip to our main discussion from 1987 and Adrian Lin, Fatal Attraction. But the big story tonight. Breaking news fresh over my desk, the news desk over here. Let me know how you feel about this. Rick Moranis ends retirement for Spaceballs 2.

Bill Pullman is back. Mel Brooks, Daphne, George. They're all coming back for the sequel. They saw the success of Spinal Tap 2. The rave reviews. That's what did it. They saw maybe we could do this too. Maybe we can recreate this magic. Proto, how do you feel? I'd love to see it. You know, one last ride, right? For Rick, maybe? I hope not.

One last shot. Reinvent himself. He's back. Oh, he's back? He's retired. He's been a family man for decades. Maybe the kids have grown up. He's got nothing else to do now. Oh, so you think that he's making a return? I think it's time for a return. Did him and Daniel Day-Lewis plan this? Yeah, that's true. Can we get the two of them in a movie together?

I don't understand why he decided to retire anyway, Daniel Day-Lewis. He's at the peak of his powers, Daniel Day. Wait until Tarantino comes back for his 11th movie. You know that's happening. Tarantino with Rick and Daniel. Buddy, buddy movie. A buddy cop. Pulp Fiction 2. Starring those two yahoos.

uh the one thing i i put on my detective hat i looked at the announcement post of space ball suit just a reminder folks bottom of the hour we'll get into fatal attraction you can use the chapters skip right to it um i had a very upset spotify commenter complain about how long it took for us to get into the main course of an episode. Well, we have chapters. I mean, I don't think people realize in a podcast app, you could actually scroll through the little thing and skip ahead.

I mean, but what movie recently has anyone actually wanted us to get to the movie talk? If we can be honest. I don't even remember what episode it was that this person was upset at. Couldn't have been lo-fi, so I temporary. It wasn't a September episode. But anyway, they posted this round table photo of people involved in Spaceballs 2. Yeah. I saw...

The master himself, Josh Gad there. Josh Gad, I think, is a producer and maybe even helping write Spaceballs 2. Interesting. Are we even ready for Spaceballs 2? I'm just excited to know that whenever this is released, we're going to cover the Spaceballs one on the podcast. I actually had to think for a second. I wasn't sure if we ever did cover the first one.

We've done several Mel, I feel like, at this point, right? Several Mel? Did we? Have we done any Mel? We did... Yeah, we did Young Frankenstein. Oh, Young Frank. That's right. That's the only one we've done, I think. Could have sworn we did more. I mean, I haven't seen Spaceballs in ages. We need to cover Blazing Saddles. I think we're going to have just some... This will survive a Blazing Saddles episode. Maybe this is the innovation we need to cover Blazing Saddles.

Is this going to have Rey Skywalker? Who's going to be in this? You just wanted to say Rey Skywalker. Honestly, it sounds revolting when you say it out loud. I love Rey Skywalker. Maybe... Admiral Theron? Is there some Admiral Theron in there? Is that Josh Gad? Is that who he's playing? Josh Gad is Theron. Did you say Theron? But then he'd be something funny like Prawn. He'd be like Admiral Prawn. Yes. That's good.

Don't I just join the writers' room of Spaceballs, too. Real quick, did you know that today is Michael Douglas' birthday as we record? Have you heard this? Chills. Isn't it Mark Hamill's, too? Who cares? But also, Fatal Attraction came out 28 years ago last week. Happy 28th anniversary. We need to play the lotto. I think that's what it comes down to. Oh, I think you mean 38.

What did I say? I think you said 28. You're right, 38. Thank you, Dale. Pause for editing. 38 years ago last week. Cut it. We should play Leto.

Let's hear from, I want to hear a little bit from Danny. You were at a hotshot convention in Hawaii last, this past weekend. You had this IDW Godzilla poster. When are we getting our hands on this Danny Haas variant poster, Godzilla number one? Also, is this your first comic variant? Yeah, I think it is my very first comic cover. The Aloha comic shop brought me out, or card shop, excuse me.

And yeah, we did a variant for IDW, Godzilla number one. I think they're taking it to New York Comic Con in a couple weeks. Boy, yeah, yeah. I don't know if it'd be available online ever. I'm not sure, but I have a box. Hello. And guess what? We're going to see each other in three and a half weeks. You do the math. Yeah. We should play the lotto. But yeah, we were in Hawaii. Had a great time.

Ate some incredible food. Had some Mai Tais. How many photos did you take? I didn't finish a roll, but got there. Yeah, but you get like 90 photos to film a roll. Yeah. Took some photos. I'm excited to see them. That's all we're getting until the post show, folks. You want to hear more details about Hawaii? Listen to the post show.

But you watched a few movies. Were those all like plane logs that you dropped on Letterboxd? Yeah, they were plane logs. One of the plane flights, the one along legs, the viewer wasn't working, so it kind of sucked. Hold on, I'm going to my diary. What did I watch? Practical Magic. Oh my gosh, Practical Magic. Have you seen this? I've never seen it. I've seen the cover. I think this is like a West Coast era cover for me. Watch Practical Magic for the first time.

on the flight and had a delightful time. It's funny. Sandra and Nicole, thank you, are dynamite in this film. And it's just great. It's a good time. It's a good fall movie. It's silly. I love Sandra. Yeah, this, I mean, late 90s Sandra. Maybe we need to do a Sandra month. Okay. There's a lot to pick from then. The net. We could finally cover the net. The net. Absolutely. That's the movie I think of when I think of her. Absolutely. Well, I don't think of that. Speed 2.

While you were sleeping. While you were sleeping. We have the month booked already. We did it. We did it. Print it. Yeah, Practical Magic was awesome. I really enjoyed it. That was my first time viewing it. And then I watched The Post for the first time. Lord have mercy. The Spielberg vehicle, The Post with Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep. I...

I always avoided it because I saw the negative reviews of this movie. But I actually loved it. I don't understand what was the complaints about this. And then I just stopped caring. what people had to say. So, yeah, I had a blast watching this film. It was gorgeous. Tom and Meryl are just, you know, flexing on everybody in this film. I think you mentioned this movie like last month or something.

And I thought you were talking about the Catholic scandal movie with Mark Ruffalo. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Black? I can't remember what that movie is called. Black Mask. Spotlight, yes. Yeah, there you go. Spotlight. That's a different scandal of the presidential kind. Or the Pentagon, the Vietnam War stuff where they snuck out the Pentagon files. And Nixon wasn't having it. But I had a great time watching this film. It's a beautiful film. Five stars. Easily.

Tom Hanks is an amazing smoker. Yeah, I saw your review. I read your review before I started the movie. Your negative review, or your review was not what I was complaining about. Thank you. Because you gave it three stars. But I knew it to look when you said that I was watching Tom smoke cigarettes. And you're so right. Absolute natural at smoking cigarettes. All time natural. You know he's been doing it since he's like 13.

I don't know if I've ever seen him smoke a cigarette in my life. That's right. Yeah, you don't think he'd be good at it. He's amazing at it. He's a great actor. I don't think he's acting. I think those are the real camels. That's kind of it. I mean, I watched Darkest Hour, a Joe Wright vehicle. Oh, your boy. Goated Joe Wright. And Gary Oldman in this is something.

It's definitely something to watch. I really enjoyed this film. The story is great. I don't know much of, I don't have a lot of Churchill history in my brain. So I didn't really know this kind of bit. I mean, I knew like an outline of what happened, but.

Kind of watching it dramatically kind of told this way I thought was fun. Is this the one with him on the train or the bus? Yeah, the train. I think, yeah, I remember seeing it. He has like a train moment with the normies. Right. Disgusting, him. Yeah, he has no idea how to use the tube. So did you start yet Alien Earth now that the final episode is out? No, I will this week, I think. Or I guess next week now. I have to watch the finale.

Are people jazzed about the finale? I've been keeping quiet. I haven't really been looking for anything. I haven't really noticed if people have been talking about it or loving it. I didn't even know it was the finale. I think there's only eight episodes. Did you watch it and not know you watched the finale? No, no, I haven't watched it yet. You mean you didn't cancel Hulu? Uh...

You think he's going to cancel Hulu? Got him. Speaking of Pardo, what did you, you watched a weird, like, let me just look at these three movies that Pardo logged. Elio, Warfare, and Waldo Pepper. Those are three of the films you watched this last week. He was on a run. You need to have a well-balanced meal, you know?

Well, I was keeping my eye out for Warfare because I figured it was going to hit streaming soon. And sure enough, it hit this week. So I popped that bad boy on while folding some laundry. I mean, what an amazing pairing. Warfare and laundry folding. But I thought it was I mean, I think it's great for what it is like this. This just really raw.

feeling real i mean of course i've never been on a battlefield but just like this experience of the this this one encounter in uh i think it's iraq uh is is pretty pretty incredible I fell asleep while watching Elio with my kids. You fell asleep during Warfare. Oh, no. That's rough. Laundry's not going to fold itself. Yeah, I caught the beginning and the end of Elio. Okay. Not enough to say anything about it.

And then Waldo Pepper. Oh, actually, another. I mean, I was folding laundry then, too. So it's been a big week for laundry. Jeez Louise. And I mean, Waldo is a delight. People should watch it. And it gave me this gif that I'll just drop in chat right now. Maybe one of my favorite scenes that I've watched all year. What a moment. I love that so much. That's a good letterbox feed review reaction. Yeah.

I feel like this is going to get some good mileage. But it also had me, this movie, you know, Waldo Pepper flew World War I fighter planes. I was immediately looking up. memoirs of people doing this because the idea of flying these planes, it looks like they have no instruments in there. How did they know where they were going? I need to understand how this even worked.

And not only that, but they're doing tricks where they're on the wing of a plane. They're wing walking. The Sarandon stuff is crazy. The Sarandon stuff, my God. The Sarandon stuff will... You have to watch this. I wasn't expecting anything and I fell over during some of the scenes in the movie. And not just her scenes, but the other friend later in the movie. Yeah. I get a 4K of this.

but what struck me also is like they get grounded you know they get their license taken away right after so many events happen like emotional events, they don't care. They're like flipping out about losing their pilot's license. And like, that's the number one thing they care about in this movie. It's so weird. But yeah, gorgeous stuff. I mean, honestly, The lo-fi nature of flying those planes, it's like, could I fly a plane?

Right? Yeah. Like, should I just have a plane and just start flying it? Like, that's what it looks like legally. That's all you need. Just like rickety plane. Absolutely. Can you imagine like flying to your friend's house? Oh my God. No traffic. That's the future we were promised. Yeah, true.

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real quick I did finally settle the score on one battle after another I was able to see a screening of that they had people dressed as Leo in the theater okay They were giving away sunglasses. They were giving away beanies. And honestly, what sounded like thick, expensive vinyl posters. Oh, double-sided? I don't know. People were like rolling them and they sounded expensive. Oh.

So I saw this in IMAX and Dynamite, Five Bang. I think this, I'm getting Oscar feelings about this movie. I'm not sure if anyone else has reported that. But everyone is amazing. You heard it here first. Leo, we're witnessing history with Leo. As we live and breathe. We're living through it. It's nuts. That scene of him with the kids at the door. Alright. Door spoilers. Sorry. He has a front door.

I will say to Brian Formo at Letterboxd, disclaimer, I work for Letterboxd, but I don't speak for Letterboxd, did an interview with PTA and Leo. Nice. And I think it was like maybe only one or two.

places that got a conversation with both of them at the same time. Oh, wow. They're the only place that did it. It's an amazing interview. And I'm just always struck by, like, I always picture Leonardo DiCaprio as being like, you know, too big or like too vague like he's a mysterious figure he doesn't do these interviews but the interview with him is so good he's so engaging he knows what he's talking about

And I recall when Killers of the Flower Moon came out, I sat in on an interview that we did. I was the tech guy on the interview with him and Marty. It was like... just a conversation between the two of them about the movies they watched. And he like immediately jumped into interviewer mode and he was a pro. Like he knew how to handle the conversation and he did all the work.

And he's calling stuff out in this interview on Letterboxd Journal that it's just like, damn, this guy knows. He's really in it. He's calling out shots that he loved from the movie that he'd never seen before, like the scene with the roads. in the movie like he was just trumping up that for PTA there are roads in the movie I was so purposely vague about that that was a big scene with the roads

But yeah, I love hearing conversations with him. I also saw that he was on the Kelchi podcast. Who? New Heights. Him and Benicio. Ooh. The brothers. I don't know what words you just said. Taylor Swift's husband's podcast. Oh, Travis Kelsey. They got married? Travis. They're going to get married. Breaking news. But that seems like a pretty good get, the two of them. Kelsey.

That's good. I had no idea what you were talking about. Benicio is so good in that movie. Spoilers. But I also saw the, I went to a screening today for Springsteen, Deliver Me From Nowhere. Let it out. Let it out. Be honest. Tell us how you feel. How do you pronounce, is it biopic or biopic? What's the correct pronunciation? Biopic is a procedure on your eyes. Does anyone in chat know? I say biopic because it's like bio.

Pick. Grace says biopic. Kirby says biopic. It's a bio picture. There's a lot of confusion in chat. Nobody knows the correct pronunciation. I think we're saying the same thing. Biography. Anagul says biopic. That's what I said. Biopic. Okay. Biopic. I'm going to go with biopic. This is about Bruce Springsteen. He's a musician. He's got some hits. Go did. Jeremy Allen White plays him.

I honestly have maybe not seen any trailers for this movie. I'd like to go on blind for these things. Sure. So this takes place when he's like writing the Nebraska album. I honestly think they should have just called the movie Nebraska. It has like the worst title. Springsteen, Deliver Me From Nowhere. Maybe one of the worst titles of the year. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Just call it Nebraska. I know it's based on a book, but I thought it was good. I liked it. Oh, God, that's a dagger.

Succession is in this. Oh, which guy? I just had it up, but I lost it. Mr. Darcy? Jeremy Strong. Oh, Strong. Strong plays his manager. Oh. And I loved him in this movie as his manager. They have like the greatest relationship ever. He's the best manager of all time. It actually makes me curious to read the book. Paul Walter Hauser's in it. I liked it. I knew just from listening to Office Hours Live that he recorded Nebraska on this low-fi four-track cassette system. Hello.

Like he had, he bought this four track with apologies, all Springsteen fans out there. Just let me talk for a few minutes. Don't yell at me. Okay. He bought this four track cassette recorder. So he could put vocals, guitar, and whatever on its own track. And that's like the lore of the Nebraska album is like, it's so kind of like bad quality that he loved the realness of it. He recorded it in this like bedroom.

And he wanted to release it in that quality. So if you ever listen to this album, it sounds kind of like, quote, bad compared to other albums. But they had a hard time converting it from the cassette to actual. you know, vinyl and masters. Like they couldn't replicate it for a long time. Yeah, Bruce is 20-25. So, but I honestly was so fascinated by the idea of being able to do that on a cassette. I had no idea.

how that was possible. So I had to Google like how, and so like you could play it back on this machine with only the vocals. So you could record vocals in a guitar on this cassette, but then when you play it back, you could only play the vocals if you wanted. Or only play the guitar. Which like, he's like, what? On a cassette? So apparently, you know, this is how it works with cassettes. There's two sides. And each side is stereo. So this machine is able to tap into.

one track of the stereo side, therefore having four tracks. I would need one of these. This is like the coolest thing I've ever heard. So when does your eBay purchase arrive? I mean, I did take a photo of Bruce. Let me see if I can pull it up. Nobody posted. I took a photo of Bruce in front of it. When I say Bruce, it wasn't really Bruce. You took a photo in the movie? Yeah, there's two people in the theater.

press screening for a thing I'm going to. Yeah. But this is like a meme. This is like me editing my show and my wife asked me to do something. Oh, that's big. Like, look at that thing. How gorgeous is that? Yeah, that's rad. You just need to have it on your desk. Yeah. I don't have to do anything with it. So I enjoyed it. I'm not a big biopic guy. I'm also not a big Springsteen guy, to be honest, but I did enjoy the movie. There you go.

There you have it. There you have it. Okay. Episode 283, Fatal Attraction, 1987. Sexual Michael Douglas theme. The fifth week of every month.

um there's some backstory to that uh but you can become a patron if you want to hear that backstory so for now we're just covering a sexually charged michael douglas movie part of what is fatal attraction all about dan gallagher has it all Living in a 1980s New York City apartment, he is being made a partner at his law firm. He has a beautiful wife who adores him, and they have a six-year-old daughter.

And now they are moving to the suburbs to complete the American dream. But Dan decides to have a one-night stand with a balding woman he meets at a party. Turns out... She is mentally unstable, unable to shake her. Her obsession with Dan deepens until there is blood and murder and stew. Fatal attraction. This isn't going to quell my misandry comments that I've been reading in chat. You're the balding woman.

She has a big forehead. You know what? That's yeah, that's it was guys. It was a joke. I don't, you know, I don't actually mean it. It's just the man standing up. painting. Guys, it was a joke. Text attached to it. That was a joke. Fatal Attraction 1987. Sexual Michael Douglas. The backstory of this theme is we thought it would be a fun idea for him.

a theme month. We just cover movies where Michael Jackson is just, or Michael Jackson. Oh God. Michael Douglas is very sexual. It didn't win the vote, but we wanted to do it anyway. Danny, do you have any history with fatal attraction? No, I have no history with it. And I think I've said on one of her episodes that I got it. I just, I think I got fatal attraction in basic instinct kind of.

mesh together. Maybe I didn't know they were both Michael. I don't know. So I have no history with this. I just know the title and the poster. Right. Yeah, the poster, I feel like, is iconic. When I had watched Basic Instinct, in my head, it's just like Michael Douglas just has this run of being just a sexual sleaze. Or not even just sexual, but just like a sleaze. I think Wall Street comes out right after this.

And Basic Instinct is a couple years after this. And I believe this kicked off the erotic thriller era. I don't know if that's accurate. Nobody fact-checked that. But yeah, I don't think I'd ever seen this before. But I had seen the press photos of the three of them together. Dynamite. I had seen pictures of maybe Glenn Close with a knife. That's about all I really knew of this movie. Spoilers. Pro?

Iconic poster. Definitely remember seeing this. And then I watched it for the first time this year for my Borny, actually 1987. So yeah, I watched this back in May. So this is my second dip for the year into Fatal Attraction. Double dip. I gave it four stars then. Oh, God. Four stars? Yeah, I liked it. I mean, we'll get into it. We'll talk about the movie. We'll talk about it. We talked about it during Basic NSYNC, but Basic NSYNC made an ass ton of money.

when that came out in theaters. I think it was like 50 million and it made like 350 million. This one only cost 14 million and made 320 million. Wait, what? Wait, how much did it cost? 14 mil. What? That's what this movie caused. And I mean, that's like insane. That amount of money. People were ready. They're throbbing for erotic thrillers back then. So I was just curious. I was like...

And I think I read that this was the second highest grossing movie of the year. What's more than this? Three Men and a Baby was the number one grossing movie. Wow. Number two, Fatal Attraction. Number three, Beverly Hills Cop 2. And Good Morning Vietnam. Robin Williams. Robin Williams. King. That's crazy money. What's the conversion for 150 mil? It's like Avatar. This was like Avatar when it came out. It has to be. Yeah, 320. Wow, that's insane.

um let's see who wants to start off uh let's go with pro oh what's what's at the top of your list for this double dip You know, I remember loving the way this movie looked, but the thing this time that I could not shake no matter what was knowing everything that was going to happen, just being pissed off at Michael Douglas' character in this whole movie.

Like, I could not. Oh, man. That first meeting with her or when they're out to lunch together. Get into it. And just that conversation. And like. All we know up to this point is he has this beautiful wife, this beautiful daughter, this beautiful life. And he has one lunch date with this woman. This is, this is like his decision that he makes. And then like everything, you know, everything in this, it's just, gosh, it's so easy to hate this guy. So easy. It's one lunch.

I don't understand why they didn't draw it out. They happenstance meet each other a few times. It's one lunch. And I will say that the conversation they have where she's teasing him, what does she say? You have to be discreet. are you and like she looks at him like you know what she means you know what she means he's panting on screen And the way he says, let's get the check, he can like barely speak. It was so amazing when he said that. I was dying.

Yeah, he makes so many absurdly bad decisions. Like, A, what happens between the two of them. But then they hang out. A few more times, his wife is in the country. What does that even mean, in the country? Where is she? In upstate New York? Upstate New York. That's the country? Or New Jersey, yeah. I don't even understand. That's like a bygone phrase that went away.

No one ever says that anymore. Really? Yeah. Upstate New York? The country? In the country? That's what the city folks say, I guess. Those people need to be in jail if they say that. They're in a higher tax bracket than I am. Yeah, that's true. But he hangs out with her. I think that night they go out, they're in broad daylight. You're in public.

Like hanging out with a woman who's not your wife in New York. You could walk into somebody at any moment. And then they hang out in Central Park in broad daylight with his dog. They're playing catch. They're wrestling in the grass. Michael, wake up. What are you doing? This guy, I mean, he's an idiot. He is a bonafide idiot.

He made so many assumptions about her, I guess. I mean, I guess, you know, you don't think you're going to run into a woman who's unstable to the extent that she is. I mean, that's bad luck, right? But even with a normal, you know, anybody. have some couth here. Like, we have to think, Michael. At least it exists in the shadows. You should go to Central Park with this woman who is not your wife. You can walk in. You gotta put on the Batman cowl.

Put on a fake mustache. Actually, people were posting the Coldplay couple. I read an article that said that they were actually already separated. I can't remember one of these two was already separated and that their spouse was at the Coldplay concert with someone they were dating. What? You guys hear this?

The plot thickens. This whole story just gets wilder and wilder. Fatal Attraction 2. I hope they find peace. I'll wait for the podcast. This would be a Michael Douglas movie if this had happened in the 80s. We had a rat concert. How about the first place they decided to have sex is on top of a sink? A dirty kitchen sink full of dishes. And then she splashes tap water on herself.

The tap water scene was something I've never witnessed myself. The tap water and she rubs it on her face and on his face. This is a kink that I'm not aware of. water kitchen and sink you don't want to be waterboarded before I can't think of a moment where I'd be more aroused if someone just wiped water on my face as we were

I love to think that's what Michael Douglas' character is thinking too. He's just like, what the hell is this woman doing right now? But he's like, he's into it. He's like, I'll just go with it. Yeah, I'll just go with it. Oh my God. Yeah. The kitchen sink. Danny, your thoughts on Michael Douglas and his decision making in this movie? Um, you know, he's just a bozo. That's really, I mean, I can't get over most of the decisions he made, but like, I think it's in like a, my.

random notes. Once I saw the loaded gun in his dresser, I was like, someone deserves to be shot in this film. Not anyone besides Michael, though. I don't know. He's just... I expected everything that came out of Michael from this film. We've done basic instinct and now this, and we know the dog he is. Yeah, he's got a dog in him. So that, and then like confessing to his friend in the library. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Choke the life out of him. What kind of friend does this? That guy's reaction, too, when he's hearing that story. That's going to be a hard case. He was just pissed that it wasn't him. Yeah, he wanted it. I saw her first, I think, is what he said. That guy also had that dog in him, but he's not in situations over a kitchen sink as much as Michael is. He's not a kitchen sink guy. Michael's waddled back from the sink, too.

was I understanding correctly that he spent the night at her place while the dog was alone I think that's accurate there's several times where he's just rushing that dog out to go use the bathroom that's when he fed it spaghetti spending time with his poor dog I don't abide I do not abide by that dog treatment. He seems like a typical dog owner, though. That's a sweeping statement to make that I won't acknowledge at this juncture. It seems typical.

Glenn Close. The character that one of those referred to as balding. Listen, her first appearance is a jump scare. Thank you. That must have been an 80s hairstyle that was accepted. Also, she didn't have her bangs pulled back for the rest of the film. Yeah. That was her professional look. She's a working woman in the 80s.

She's got to change it up. She's fighting against the society's norms. I mean, the first time you see her, I thought of that character on SNL that Kristen Wiig played with the tiny hands. I thought of Peter Weller in Robocop and his helmet off. Listen, I wrote in this, in our Discord, can't women just have, can't women have large foreheads?

You know, can we be more of accepting as a society of large foreheads? It's a beautiful forehead. It's probably one of the best foreheads we've ever seen. It's the best forehead to ever cover on this show. Yeah. But let's talk about our character. I mean, she... Once Michael's hog bed, she gets it. And then unfortunately she gets a little attached. Michael got more than he bargained for. She calls him. I think he like calls.

She calls out his house. She calls everyone. Gets his number. And that's like, that would have been the stop sign. That would have been like, this is bad news bears. I'm screwed. but it just gets even worse she's really attached um i think at the time this movie came out there was like you know a lot of debate around um the misogyny around how this character was treated as like or how like women in the 80s

were trying to join the workforce. And like this kind of just set things back. She's like a working woman. She was treated like a monster. And I didn't realize that there was a different ending that they reshot it. The original ending. kind of just like really lays into the fact that she's like mentally ill and she has an illness that is not treated okay um the original ending that knife scene where he's like at her apartment with his nut with a knife and he leaves

She ends up killing herself with a knife and frames Michael Douglas as the murderer. Oh, my. And he gets arrested. What? What? That's crazy. So the reaction, Paramount, I guess like they did some test screenings and Paramount was like, we cannot have this be the ending. Like this is... this is too much so they they reshot it and that's the ending that we got where like she kind of goes really over the top like halloween villain in the house and is killed by ann archer

And that was, I think a lot of them say that we don't agree with it, but that's probably the reason why the movie made so much money. We had that kind of an ending. so it's really fascinating that like and Glenn Close had talked about how she really wanted to play the character as like you know someone who has you know emotional issues like she has a mental illness and she did like a lot of research into this

But a lot of it is seemingly undone by the ending. And also, I think there's a scene where Michael goes to her apartment to do some research and just finds the newspaper clippings of her dad killing himself or something. Do you remember those scenes? Yeah. Because she said he's alive. Right. She made that joke about him dying or something, which is also a red flag. She got him, though. She got him good. She did get him.

So what did you think of the Glenn Close character in this movie, Proto? Yeah, I mean, by the end, they really turn her into the villain. Right. Like at the end, you're like, oh, this is, oh, I mean, the final shot is zooming on, zooming in on a picture of them as a family of like the ideal America. It's like, oh, and they lived happily ever after because the Wicked Witch.

is now dead. But like, in a way, it almost feels like it erases everything about like Michael Douglas's character in this. Because it's like, I mean, when she tells him that she's pregnant and his response. Like at that point he's like, he goes on the offensive and he's like, he's like, wait, you're going to keep this kid. Like at that point it should like, I mean, how many things has like this, but like at that point that this woman just tells you this and then you start attacking her.

But by having this ending where it's all wrapped up nice in a bow, the psycho lady gets shot dead. Yeah, that's... It makes it easy at the end. But the scene where she slits her wrists. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. that movie that seed like the jump scare that I got with the music like that is such a like an amazing moment in the movie I think that's before she starts calling his house like how is that not you just disappear Michael

He has to leave the country. You gotta stop. That happens. He has to go into the country and out of the country. I mean, how do you even continue on after that? You have a tryst with this woman. What is that, like night two, she slits her wrists? Yes. And Michael has to like stay there and help her wrap up. Oh my God. Promise you'll go to the hospital? Yeah, you got to go to the hospital. You slit your wrists.

there's so many like scenes where you have to just like cut and run. Like I need to, I, okay, this is bad news. This is going to get worse unless I kind of nip this in the bud. And then. It does get even worse like multiple times, but then he walks, he goes home and she's in the apartment with his wife posing as someone who's going to buy the apartment. I don't know. Like that, if that was me, I would.

Close the door and be like, all right, you need to sit down. We have to talk. I might have gotten that woman pregnant. She might be trying to kill us. Like she's in your house. She slid her wrist on night two. Like it could get way worse right now. And he doesn't. But that scene is also so brilliant because it had just got to the point where they discontinued that line. They get a whole new phone number, which why is Anne not asking about this?

Like, why are we all of a sudden needing to have a new phone number anyway? But her plan to pretend to buy the apartment to get the new phone number when Anne gives it to her, I was like, oh, shit. She did it. Well played. I mean, Glenn, back to Glenn. She's the reason to watch this film, in my opinion. I think she's incredible in this film. Her ability to go from just the person at the party flirting with Michael, getting him to have an affair that she...

wanted to be discreet, but really she didn't. But then for that to like spiral into, you know, slitting her wrists and, you know, I don't even know, faking her pregnancy. Who knows if it was real or not, but... to the finale of her going psycho with Anne in the bathroom. Her whole storyline is incredible. And so well performed. Yeah, she's really good. This was nominated for six Oscars, by the way. Six Oscar noms. What was going on in 1987? People were hungry.

I mean, the Oscar voting board was also like 40 years younger. I mean, they're ancient now, so I guess they were... Are they the same people now? Best picture, director, actress, supporting actress, screenplay, and editing. Dang, nice. It didn't win any, but it was nominated for six. That's something. Yeah. Art had mentioned about the phone line change. She would not have questioned it because of the hang-up calls they were getting.

I forgot about that. Oh, so that's probably his excuse leading up to changing it. We've had so many hang up calls. How about those headphones he was using? Sexual. That's where the definition of sexual Michael Douglas comes from. His button-down, whitey-tidy, headphones, glasses look.

Yeah. No one else can pull that off, but Michael. Yeah, that look was off the charts. His piece in that moment. He just looked like he could sit there. I can't tell if you're saying P-E-A-C-E or P-I-E-C-E piece. Could be both. Yeah. I noticed in live chat, Kirby was asking, do we mention next month's theme? We'll talk about the end of the show, but we're not going to announce next month's theme tonight. We're innovating. Can you let us? Just let us innovate. Buckle up.

Danny, I think it's your turn. Yeah, I want to talk, we hinted at it a bit, but, or we kind of mentioned, I want to talk about the finale. Because, oh yeah. It's just incredible. I think I was like, yes, this is a great movie. I'm enjoying this movie. And then that finale hits, and it just ramps up everything when they're just...

He's locking up the house. You just know. I mean, first of all, you have her kidnapping the kid. How she's not in jail after that is beyond me. Anyway, so you already have that intense. kind of moment with the roller coaster. But then the finale hits. She's like Michael Myers-ing the house where she's walking around slowly and he's downstairs. I don't know what he's boiling. Oh, he's doing tea.

And when she enters that bathroom with the knife, I think I stopped breathing until Anne shoots her because I thought she was going to stab Anne to death, which I would have been furious. And then Michael finally takes six hours to run up a flight of stairs. He's the slowest runner I've ever seen on film. To him strangling Glenn in the bathtub until their eyeballs pop out.

Then we have her awake from the dead, like Michael Myers. Jesus. And then for Anne to have gone to get the gun and shoot her. I was just baffled. I was like beside myself. The idea that the, I don't even know if I would have liked the other ending because I loved this ending so much. This one worked on me. I think it's such a brilliant ending. It's just, it's a really nice end cap to this film.

Yeah, I was thinking the whole time when Michael was fighting her, I even wrote, like, I can't believe this is the ending. Like, it should be Anne. beating the crap out of Glenn Close. That should be the ending. And then she shoots and I'm like, oh, okay, idiot. But yeah, when she's using the knife on her leg, when she's like, oh my gosh.

It's really bonkers. I mean, it's a long scene. He's making the tea, and as soon as she starts screaming in pain, the tea starts whistling. As a reshot ending, pretty well done. The idea that there's an alternate is wild to me because it's such a good ending. I think the original ending was included on at least the DVD release in Laserhead, so it's probably on YouTube. I didn't think to look for it. But I, yeah, I...

There was a lot of talk about Michael not getting his comeuppance in this or any, but it's pretty wild to think, what if this was released with that original ending and he's framed for her murderer? Yeah. Dang. I think, I think in that original ending, like Anne is in possession of the audio tape that was sent to him and she's like ranting at him in the car. So I'm not really sure if like.

If it's, maybe they leave it nebulous. Maybe like Anne makes it as like, do I, do I do anything with this tape? Or maybe he sits in jail for the rest of his life. Which would have been pretty, a fascinating twist also. yeah like leave it in ann's hands to make a determination like should i save my husband or is he just gonna deal with this deal with the like that cop said like that you made i think i made the bed you gotta weasel your way out of it

Emma in chat, she just posted a YouTube clip. It says it's the alternate ending for Fatal Attraction. So I guess you can watch it. Yeah, you know, that scene, at that point, I have so much empathy for Anne. Like I'm really, like you said, Danny, like I am really scared that she's going to get murdered here. And I'm like, I like, I like.

Not Anne. She's like, she's the one character that you like. She doesn't deserve this. Yeah. She's been through so much. I mean, she just had her kid kidnapped, you know, for a whole day. I mean. Her just driving through the city, trying to find her child. Like looking down streets. Yeah. That's what you do. And then getting into an accident. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. That's. Can you imagine like being, I don't know, you're like running errands for a couple hours.

And you don't have a cell phone. So it's not until you get back to your house and maybe check your messages that someone called you to tell you a loved one's been in an accident or something. If that was your spouse, that's just so crazy to think about. That's true, yeah. Now you instantly know. when something happens but yeah I mean Ann knew she was one shot like she went to get that gun maybe that was Ann's nightstand

Michael was checking to make sure Ann had her gun loaded in her nightstand. Need an edit of Michael saying, she's one shot! She's cracked! She's cracked! Oh, God. Some gaming jokes for folks out there. Oh, my God. Whose turn is it? I think it's Prot's turn. Yeah, Ann Archer, man. I fall in love with her watching this movie. My gosh. That black dress she's in on that party they go to. Gosh, she looked amazing. A million bucks.

Her hair, too. Amazing. Yeah. Dynamite. In love with her. And then, again, that scene that they have together in the house where she doesn't know who she is. Even then like when Anne is, she's at the farmhouse and she's like calling him. By the way, there's so many great sets in this movie. Like the way this is shot. It's stunning. It really is. But yeah, Ann Archer, I fall in love with her. Yeah, she's a fox. And I don't know, I don't feel like, like I'm looking at the photo of them.

you know, in the backdrop, but I know it's like very eighties, but I don't know. I think it's, it's like coming back around, like maybe 15, 20 years ago, we would be like laughing at like how they looked, but now I'm just like, I think they all look great. Oh yeah. Who's laughing now? Yeah, we got the last laugh. That's good. I will say that I think Michael looks like he's not at peak sleaze yet. Maybe Wall Street kind of kicks that off for him. His hair is not quite there yet.

I feel like Basic Instinct was prime, you know, sexual sleaze Michael Douglas. It's almost like, you know, this is his rookie year. He's not quite there yet. You know, we went through my main points already. I have a jokey review maybe coming that this is my in the mood for love. Oh, no. In terms of extramarital affairs. Don't hit send on that one.

Stay tuned for my Letterboxd review for that one. Let me see what else I have here. They're in Central Park together. Three exclamation points. Effing idiot. Oh yeah, back to the visuals. Let's see, who's the cinematographer of this? Because I mean, when they go out at night on like their first night out, Glenn and Michael, there's like some amazing night shots with the lighting and like some...

fog and smoke with some rays of light coming through. Really stunning. That shot of him walking out, I think at sunrise from her apartment. Down the meatpacking district. Lord have mercy. all the elevator scenes when, when she's giving him an old fashion in the elevator. And the light is coming through. Remember, he has to struggle to hit the button. Because the guy's walking by at the floor above him. Cinematographer Howard Atherton.

Danny, you'll appreciate this. Same cinema talker as Bad Boys. Love Howard. His work is incredible. Lolita. Indecent Proposal, which I would love to do on the show or just watch for funsies. Deep Rising. Who's Indecent Proposal? Bob Redford. What? Oh. Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson. Oh, my gosh. Woody Harrelson in 1993? He's very young. How old was he? John Gage offers a down-in-his-luck yuppie husband $1 million for the opportunity to spend the night with the man's wife. Let's go!

What year is this? What's a million dollars in that year? 93. That's Avatar money in 1993. That's Avatar 5 money. Danny? Yeah, I don't know if I have. I mean, we flew through a lot of it. I have Madame Butterfly spoilers. I had no idea about that. They spoiled that opera for me, I guess. Herman Munster jump scared. Did you see Herman Munster? The actor? Oh, my. He was the boss smoking the cigar walking with Michael. The super tall guy? Yes. That's the guy that played Herman Munster. Yes, yes.

Dude, his suit and the way he was smoking that cigar. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. You know he's a professional. Yeah. Load a gun in the nightstand, idiot. You're here with a strange girl being a naughty boy. What a line. Yeah, I don't have much more to say. Let's get the rating. I'm going with four and a half stars.

Whoa! I loved this movie. I was engaged the whole time. What was your rating for Basic Instinct? Does anybody remember? Well, I don't think it was four and a half for Basic Instinct, was it? Probably not because I thought that movie was a little bit ridiculous. I just loved, I loved the story. I thought Glenn was amazing in this. I just, I don't know. I was engaged the entire film. There was a great movie. Dang, okay.

Adrian Lin, I mentioned two other movies with the cinematographer, Lolita and Indie's Proposal, also directed by Adrian Lin. Also Flashdance, Nine and a Half Weeks. The Mickey Rourke Kim Basinger sexy movie. So the king of sexy movies. He also did Deep Water, that Ben Affleck, Ana de Armas movie that came out during the pandemic.

And Jacob's Ladder, which I remember enjoying. I gotta watch that. With Tim Robbins. I remember the Jacob Ladder poster. Very interesting filmography for Adrian Lin. Pro? Anything left on your list? Menchie's rating? Let's see. Oh yeah, when he said, I think I'd say it's going to be up to you. When Michael says that to her, you wanker for doing this to Anne, I wrote. Wanker? Yeah, I don't know what got into me. Yeah. I loved when he called her and told Glenn that my wife knows.

And then she got on the phone and said, like, have you ever come near us? I'll kill you. Speaking of wanker, I think we do see a shadow of Michael's hog in this. A little bit of a tip. Yeah, if you are paying attention.

If you're looking closely, you will see. Is this in the kitchen sink scene? No. When he's, like, dancing to get his pants off? No, this is when he's getting up from the bed, I think, to get dressed to go home. Might have blinked during that scene. Yeah, if you blink, you'll miss it. Gotta go back.

Michael comforting her in the bathroom, him just thinking like, how did I F up this bad? Like, how did I get here in 48 hours, right? Like his whole life flashing before his eyes. Catastrophic 48 hours. Boiling the rabbit. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. Petcore in this. Watch out. Yeah, I'm going to say it four stars. Nice. Yeah, I really enjoy this movie for what parts I can. Cautionary tale.

Going through my Menchies Pro. Maybe see if any tagged 70mm pod reviews on the Letterboxd website are worth bringing up. Let's see. I mentioned the headphones in my notes. Living in the city. I mean, I don't know. Can you imagine living in New York? Isn't this your dream, Danny? Don't you want to live in New York City? You love New York City. Dream is to definitely live in New York one day. Casey and I love the city. Would you do a five-story walk-up?

That was the only option? Would you take it? Oh, would I take it? Yeah, I would do it in a heartbeat. How about that elevator in the car parking lot situation? Also, great shot of her. in the shadows. Oh, yeah. You just notice the hair. But I mean, like, elevators without doors, I feel like that's very European. That's a trap. But just using that in the car parking lot, oh, my God.

So stressful. Also, what'd she pour in his car? Battery acid? What was that? Yeah. Jesus. How'd you even get your hands on acid like that? How'd she get it up there? She's like hauling this bucket. She... Is no one asking what's this woman doing? She's too hot. Why would you ask her that? He'd probably be like, do you need help with that acid? Can I carry that for you? Not everyone's as dumb as Michael to engage with this woman.

I would offer to carry her acid for her probably if I worked in that car parking lot. I don't know if that's a metaphor or not. We'll let it be. F she slit her wrist this guy is beyond F it's like 20 minutes into this film yeah 45 minutes is like when you realize shit is in the like It's over. There's a lot of movie left. She's listening to the opera while flicking the lights. Oh my God. That was a wild scene.

His lawyer office, they have all those books on the wall. Remember books? Oh, do you think, sorry. Do you think that the Madam Butterfly comments in the film were because she killed herself in the original ending? of this movie i kind of took it as i mean she she's dead at the end so it's close enough but yeah maybe maybe that makes more sense yeah i can't wait to watch that scene yeah i want to watch that

Yeah. She says she's pregnant. Right. Did I hear him say that he called a doctor and the doctor said congratulations? Yeah. called to verify that she was pregnant and that doctor said, congrats, to verify that she actually was pregnant? Yeah. I thought maybe they would keep it nebulous, but maybe not. I mean, she gives him the gyno card.

Was she putting on like a man voice? Was that like another phone? I feel like she faked it. I feel like she's definitely someone else. This is Glenn's doctor? Yeah, congrats. I love that. Let's go with that. That's good. Where's that deleted scene on her on the other side? Deleted Glenn Close poses as male doctor. His friend. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's in his apartment with his wife. Game over. His reaction. I mean, all time long shot of him just standing there looking at her. His brain fell out. open elevators and coin tolls. It's funny that this movie had like throwing coins into a toll. Yeah. Because I drive a lot on the turnpike and they're finally... taking down the tolls. They're removing all the tolls. Do you guys still have tolls? Yeah. Yeah. We only now, I mean, we had easy pass, but they left.

you know, the easy pass in the old tolls. And they, they now added that new system where it's just like lights on the highway. So they're finally dismantling all the tolls. Not only do we sell tolls, half of them are still cash. What? Yeah, you could still pay cash. How's Florida before anyone else on these things? I've been giving cash to a toll in years. Yeah, when we go to like a lake house trip, some of the highways...

that we're on have like elaborate easy pass. Yeah, that's what we have. Through ways. And it's like, man, we're in the stone age. Do you get something to slow down for tolls? We used to have to slow down to go through the tolls that had easy pass. What? Like you would slow down, the light would go green, and then like, okay. Yeah. These are just 70 miles an hour. We're finally at like year 2000 now.

That's crazy. I had no idea it still existed. Yeah, I did get a little nostalgia when she whipped the coins into the urinal. I mean, imagine being a toll person, having a... do that for eight hours a day cash you know take ticket give you cash change Hold on. Trainer in chat. You guys don't have to buy specific toll tokens to throw into a bucket? Nice try, trainer. Is this message from 1960 that trainer just sent? There's no way that's a thing.

Ellen kidnapped. Oof. Rabbit stew. Visuals at night are amazing. It's also crazy that they didn't, like, she's missing. They go to, like, arrest her after Ellen was kidnapped, and they're missing. Or she's missing. The cops can't find her. and he doesn't lock the house. He's slowly locking the house. That's not step one when you get in the house. She's probably in there already, but lock the doors when you get in the house. Moron. Yeah, this is a very fun movie. Very fun.

I wish that the original ending might have been included. I think that might have been a really bold ending. Kind of keep the dark place that Glenn Close's character is in and just go the whole way. Four stars for Fatal Attraction. A lot of fun. Hell yes.

Any reviews from our community, Pearl, that you would want to spotlight? Yeah. 70mmpod on Letterboxd. Yeah, there's a few good ones here. We need to check in on Mosh. He gave it one star. A real contender for movie I hated watching the most. What? Masha, I hope you're okay. Okay. That's, yeah. Ev said, I effing sobbed. Two and a half stars. And Art, he wrote, he's at four and a half stars. Hello. Hello. He's right, you know, bullseye from Art.

He has this one line that when his wife comes in, she says, oh, geez, this idiot to Michael Douglas in this movie. That's a great idea for a theme. OG's this idiot. All right. There you have it. Fatal Traction. How many stars did you get at some? I gave it four. Oh, four. Nice. Four guy. That's the end of lo-fi side timber. It's in the past. We're finally closing the book on very hotly debated month.

Hotly debated. A lot of true colors showed up in our Discord this morning. Also good conversation, okay? Great conversation. Fantastic conversation. We could cover four shitty movies, but... We have incredible conversations. That's what it's all about. The reason we do the show is for the three of us. They're not going to be winners. Just the three of us. Just the three of us talking movies, being friends forever. We can't review Interstellar every week.

Nor would we want to. We got to keep it special. Normally, we would announce the next week's movie and the theme for the month, but we are going to try something a little bit different this month.

We looked in the mirror, the three of us. We all three stood in front of the mirror and we said we need to innovate again. And we will be releasing a special little mini episode to the public where we talk about the theme for the month. So that is what we're doing. I have a pet theory that, well, it's not a pet theory. I know that not everyone listens to every episode. And I know people come in and out and that's just how podcasting works. But maybe that would be kind of.

helped out with a specific episode where we talked about the theme. So we'll see. Yeah. Not everyone follows us on Instagram. They pick and choose what they listen to. So maybe they'll appreciate an episode focused on the theme for that month. We got some insane movies picked too for this month. Yeah, it's big. Yeah, yeah. Real big. Prado, any closing thoughts this week?

You know, for this movies that I plan on watching this week, I think I got my eyes on a movie. I was looking at the Criterion channel. A great selection of movies on the Criterion channel right now. They have some collections on there. There's one, the Paranoia trilogy. So I watched The Parallax View a couple weeks ago from Alan J. Pacula. He has another movie, this trilogy, Clute.

That's what I'm planning on watching this week. I'm excited. But the collections, there's a ton of Robert Altman movies on there right now. There's Nunsploitation. Miss 45, Benendetta. I mean... Then there's a 70s thrillers collection. You know, this isn't an ad for Criterion, but I'm just saying, if you're looking for some movies, good collections on there, you can join me, watch Clue. Should be a hoot. Donald Sutherland.

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