Hey, it's your old pal, Slim, and welcome to a special bonus episode of 70MM. With me, as always, is artist Danny Haas. Hello. And our TV insider, Prolexus. Hello. Don't you take my bet. The road to Rogue One. Finally, we have reached it. Andor season two wrapped up six months ago. So now is the time for us to sit down and discuss our journey watching Andor season two. We did an episode on season one ages ago. I went back and listened to that episode.
Oh, did you? Spoilers. I forgot about it. It was a good episode. Was it? It's funny because I went back and you, Danny, were pulling quotes from a recent Rogue One recording or something. Because we've done... broke one like five times yeah we'll do it again after this we were um discussing like is this show gonna be any good like what who's excited for and or the television show
And I don't think any of us really were. It was a quote about me asking if Andor is enough of a draw in 2022. Proto was saying how Cassian's a blank slate if you're doing a TV show and the average Star Wars fan wouldn't know anything. But if he's doing, if it's a series about him doing smuggling and espionage, that could be really cool if done right. Fascinating.
Star Wars 007. Okay. Latino 007, I think, was mentioned at some point. And then, Danny, you surmised, in that episode, after we're done talking about season one, you were wondering if we were going to see Thrawn in Andor. I mean... got close and look what we got instead in uh oh we won't get we don't have time to get into that um someone said this maybe I said it Luthan may be the biggest Mary Sue in history
Remember the phrase Mary Sue? You couldn't use the internet when the sequel trilogy was out without hearing the phrase Mary Sue. Yeah. Synonymous with Ray. Does anyone listening even know what a Mary Sue is? Has that time passed? Yeah. Do you remember what a Mary Sue is? No, I was actually looking it up right now. People said that... Ray. People thought Ray was a Mary Sue in that...
It's a character written with a really strong backstory. They're so good at everything. They haven't learned anything. They're super strong. They're lucky. They're so cool. And they're just written to be the coolest character ever. So a bunch of butthurt man nerds hated Rey because she was cool. I thought you were just describing Luke. So anytime you see someone say someone is a Mary Sue, that person should be treated as a sus individual, I think.
Cut them out of your life. Myself included, because I called Luthan a Mary Sue. Oh. And finally, my last comment from our season one episode, we were saying how Cyril and Dedra kissing will be the Mulder and Scully of kissing in Star Wars. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's not far off. Mm-hmm. So, Android Season 2 has wrapped, and it's over. The show is over. And I cannot remember if...
We talked about this in the episode, but the original plan for Andor was like five seasons. Is that right, Danny? Like all these arcs in season two were meant to be full seasons. I'd only read about that like once. I don't know the full aspect, but I think, yeah, every... i think they were planning on the lead up of five years um to be five seasons instead we get one year season one four years in season two um but somehow
Tony got Disney to give him over half a billion dollars to make this last season. I don't know. I mean, I don't know that I would have wanted it drawn out too much for longer. I like... I loved this format personally. I feel like with so many characters, it was kind of fun jumping around to each storyline. And even when there was like the slow moments in the show.
It felt like it was moving the story enough to where if this was drawn out to five seasons, the slow moments could really have felt a lot slower. And it feels like also if we got to like season three of Andor. And we're just dragging. This show's going to get canceled and it's not going to get finished.
One of my main points was, would this show have worked in a five-season format? I don't think so. I feel like season two, the way it was done in these little episode blocks is the way to do it. There's no real fluff. I guess there's some fluff. Yeah. But less fluff-headed have been a whole season for three episodes, you know, drawn out. Portal, what did you think? Yeah, well, I think it would have been an entirely different show of what kind of story you wanted to tell. Because by showing...
By covering four years in this season, they really keep it focused on the characters and what's happening to them over these four years, rather than... The more so than like the events of the rebellion where I feel like it would have like they would have had to flesh out so much more like plot lines. They would have to have more characters. They would have had more plot lines, more, you know, more rebel.
initiatives, things going on. The scope would have just had to increase so much. Whereas with this format, they were able just to really keep it to this core group from the first season of these five. you know, or whatever with the characters that they had. So I, I really liked this as well. Like I, one of my favorite parts was just seeing like the, the, the BBY come up on the screen at the start of it. It was just so cool.
I was wondering, aren't there normies watching this show? Do they have any idea what BBY is? I guess they probably would have had a Google. When we started season one, I started with season one to Casey. She hadn't seen it yet. And BBY5 popped up and I paused it. I was like, I have to tell you what BBY means. Because you're going to have to, you have to know what that is in the season two for sure. I'm surprised she wasn't going to be like, you know what? I'm out.
I don't, he had to pause it the first second. I'm going to go read a book actually. So true. Yeah. I wonder like if they had done longer seasons, we would have had like, you know. the c-3po episode where like some dumb episode focused on like a you know a character that we already know that is like what are they doing during this this whole event yeah for sure
All right. So we jotted some notes down looking back on season two. It's not going to be a huge in-depth conversation. You know, just keep in mind, we're not experts. I didn't say at the top of the show. But we love Star Wars. Yeah. And don't get all salty if we don't mention X, Y, or Z from episode whatever. We can't get it all. That's a droid. Where's my Brom Ching sounder?
Danny, you're a resident expert. We're not experts, but you're a resident expert for Star Wars. So what's the top of your list for this full season of Andor? I think the top of my list would actually be just to praise what Tony Gilroy was able to accomplish in this season and the season before, but mainly this season. A lot of it felt true to what George was doing in the 70s, commenting on political things happening with...
Vietnam and stuff. And to where Tony, I felt like he brought it back around to Star Wars commentating on our current events in our political... You know, climate in America, it made America the bad guy again, which I don't think we've ever stopped being the bad guy, but that's another conversation. That was Danny, by the way, that said Danny Haas, Esquire. But yeah, I mean, there's a...
Even in Mon Mothma's speech, I wrote the quote down. She says, all of... of all the things at risk the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous the depth of truth is the ultimate victory of evil when truth leaves us we let when we let it slip away, when it's ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest. And I feel like that is such a commentary on our bullshit.
government at this point and how we've let any sort of truth slip from any sort of reality we have and it's just it's it's so woven into this entire series um that
I will, you know, if we were doing Mount Goat more for TV, I think I'd put Tony up there at some point. I like what you said, because I had the same thought about... this getting back to the roots of star wars of like the original trilogy especially with it being so focused you know on the rebellion right like this series is it's about the birth of the rebellion um And when I feel like when you watch the original movies, this is like the closest product.
Star Wars product that feels in line with like telling that story. Um, cause I even think of like the sequel trilogy, the sequel trilogy is just like great. It's, you know, I like it. But it feels very much like, you know, it's like half of a Marvel series. It's more entertainment than it is... you know, a metaphor for, like you said, like the political climate. It's so far removed from that. And then I think of like everything, you know, you think of Mando, The Acolyte, Ahsoka, all those shows.
They're just in a completely different realm compared to what the original trilogy was doing and then what Andor is doing. So I felt that too. Like it felt like it was like a return to form. Well, in that episode, we called the Mando realm of shows the action figure adventure hour. That is what Star Wars makes a lot of money from. So I'm like...
It's still, like, shocking to me that Andor season one and two exists in any way, shape, and form. Like, I would love to read a book in 10 years about the backstory of how this happened after, like, Kathleen Kennedy leaves, maybe, and then she gives some... dirt to somebody to tell the story but like it's so different than everything else Star Wars we've gotten like it's a joke but like put Andor next to Obi-Wan the television show right I mean that too and why aren't
Why aren't those people incarcerated that were responsible for that television program? Can you imagine if we had anyone that was related to Andor doing the Obi-Wan show? Like, just make it look good at least. Make it visually look good. Who cares about the story with Leia, young Leia? Remember the beat the story with young Leia running around a little, oh, I can't even. But yeah, I loved how this kind of brought it back to the original trilogy. And I agree that like...
The sequel trilogy, now that this is done, it almost reframes how you think of the sequel trilogy. Because I love Force Awakens and The Last Jedi is incredible. But it really does reframe how you think of the Empire. and the inner workings of preparing to fight the Empire, it's just so far different from everything. And that Gilroy was able to get $650 million.
to produce this and Kathleen Kennedy was like a staunch supporter you know she's just telling him do whatever you want to do and it almost reframes I said reframes twice in this episode. I'm going to stop saying it. But, like, I feel like she did the same thing for the sequel trilogy. It just didn't work out as well. Because she essentially said the same thing, like, do whatever you want.
and we'll figure it out as we go. And like, it didn't work for a trilogy of films with different directors, but it did work for someone spearheading this entire thing. So it makes me wonder like, damn. Maybe it should have been one dude just running the whole sequel trilogy. I wonder what that would have looked like. Would it have been as good on the whole as Andor? Who knows? And I wonder if the sequel trilogy made...
now after Andor has released, how much it would be made different after the success of Andor. Yeah. Yeah. And it also feels like the people who make Action Figure Adventure Hour just exist in a totally different world. Yeah, Star Wars feels different for them. It does feel very different for them. Like they're playing with toys and Tony Gilroy is... A man. Writing a manifesto. And I have toys on my desk, folks. I have action figures on my desk. So I'm allowed to make that kind of a statement.
Perl, what about you? What's the top of your list for Endor season two? Well, I guess to continue with that thread of the action figure adventure hour feeling like so much fan service. And I feel like as a fan of most things in popular culture, I'm like conditioned now. Maybe it's with like Marvel too of like expecting fan service. And I will say that like I was...
I was waiting for the fan service. I was like, all right, Gilroy, he's kind of held it back and he's waited so long. Now, man, if he drops a scene with Palpatine or Leia... or Vader, like, oh, how hard would one of these scenes go? And I was really waiting. And like for that scene at the end with, I forget, the guy, the head of the ISB before he kills himself, I thought we were going to see him.
in front of Palpatine. And I was like, this is gonna be a banger. Like, we're gonna... Because this whole series, like, the Force almost isn't even mentioned, right? Like, we don't hear about the Force till the Force healer. Right. And then, like, when...
Bail Organa says, like, may the Force be with you. It's almost like you forget the Force is even in the universe. Was she even called a Force healer? She was just called, like, a... I don't even think they referenced the Force at all with her, did they? I don't think they referenced the Force healer. Yeah, they might have not. So... I was amazed that they never did anything like that. There's none of that fan service in this. And in some ways, in...
And like a reverse of that, it's almost like reverse fan service. I'm listening. Like you, like Gilroy has. enough respect for you as a viewer to not have to take the easy way out. Because what is fan service, right? It's like... It's a callback to something you've seen before. It's a reference to something that you already know. And in an amazing way, it's almost like this show isn't relying on any of that. And it instead is like charting its own course.
Where when you think of Andor, it doesn't have any scene like that where you can say, oh, and remember when Palpatine or anything like that. It's all... this new stuff with these new characters and it's their story. So I was pretty shocked that we didn't get anything like that by the end of this. If anything, like what would be considered fan service is like Krennic coming back.
from rogue one yeah and it's just enough yeah and that's like all they really give you like the scene with him and dedra at the end of season two and he's just like improving his little heart out poking her head. Yeah, actually, the improv, and she even just reacted in character to it and just kept going, which is, you know, nod to her. Yeah, Dedrar, queen. Oh, absolute queen. Was that guy's name...
Partagaz. Yeah, Partagaz. The guy who unalives at the end of the season. Fantastic character too. I mean, everyone in this, every actor in this should be given an Emmy for every role because I was never like... whatever, get this guy off the screen. I'm invested in every goddamn character that pops up. If you cast someone with an accent, a British accent, get the Oscar ready.
In the Star Wars universe. Whatever the TV equivalent of Oscar is. I don't know what it is, but get it ready. We'll figure it out one day. Let's see. I mean, related to Dedra. I mean, the women of Andor, is there anything comparable in Star Wars about how amazing the women in this show are? I'm not even naming all of them, but I wrote down, is it Clea? It's Klaia, right? It's just Klaia with a K. Yeah. Dedra, Mon Mothma, and Bix. Val. And just like, what? Yeah, Val and Sinta.
Yes, their entire backstory. Incredible. It's just nuts. I mean, I feel like everyone has said this, but honestly, it does just put everything else to shame. Like every... every Star Wars is everything. Live action, maybe, with the exception of The Last Jedi, which I love. But yeah, like, Clea's character, I was completely blown away why... blown away by her performance this season. You know, the fake or the mic they had to remove in that one scene. Her hand is just like bleeding.
She just went so hard in so many scenes. And I think this was like her first major acting role. Yeah, out of school. Right out of school. What? I know. I couldn't believe that. Couldn't believe it. I also read, like, people were theorizing, I don't know if this is true or not, but, like, they thought maybe in earlier versions, like, this character was Leia. Did you read any of those theories, Danny? Someone had said that, but I don't know if it would make any sense because of her age.
Leia was way too young. Well, I mean, Clea feels 20s, mid-20s, closer to 30 maybe, I guess. But Leia's only a teen at this point. True. It'd be funny if she did like the Padme. like she was being two different characters or something like that oh yeah she had like a double call back call forward call back I mean speaking of Padme I feel like Mothma
I feel like the writing for Mothma is what George was going for with Padme and he just couldn't get there. I mean, if Tony wrote the prequels, we'd be in another ballgame. Oh my God. I do feel like, I feel like he was still trying to be very political. with his writing and it's not and it's george it's not tony but padme feels like what mothma mothma feels like what padme should have been in the prequels
But then you have like Natalie Portman, robot voice. Senator Palpatine. I still feel like that's George's fault, but yeah. We've seen better work from Natalie. We have, we have. But also like Bix. Like I loved her PTSD backstory. Like she is just so, obviously any like damaged goods character I gravitate to. But man, it was so good. And how like she finally got her revenge.
but also like her arc of knowing you know based on kind of what she got from the Force healer and other things, but she knew that Andor was important to this rebellion, so she literally just had to leave him for him to stay and continue to be a part of this. um i mean those back stories are wild and they're all so well done just amazing burdo yeah um yeah i i love those as well yeah like bix
Big story is great. I mean, in the way that she feels, I mean, it really helps to show like the passage of time through this as well. Like remembering that this is over the course of four years. So like the beginning of this, this, this season. She is really just, I mean, she's in a bad place. You think like, is she just, is this character over? Like, is she not going to make it out of this? But then her ability to bounce back.
is great. Yeah, and you love, I don't know, yeah, you love to see strong female characters. I mean, I think maybe my favorite part of this season is the Clea hospital break-in. Oh, my God. You talk about 007. To me, that's the most riveting thing in this whole season. It was so cool, and it feels grounded in Star Wars, but it just feels like something I've never seen before. I was like, so...
Like when she's going up the stairs, I was like, oh, so they have staircases in Star Wars. It felt like that. The 70s are back, finally. Like I was surprised enough by that. But yeah, those characters are all great. It also feels like with Bix too, a weaker writer would have killed her off. And that would have inspired Cassian to continue on or something like that.
Yeah, I'm actually super proud of Tony for not doing that, but also her ending, I mean, the finale of her holding Cassian's baby, instead of like... giving Cassian more weight on her death. He gives Cassian's date more weight on his death with him having a child and possibly a wife and a future that he dies for.
you know, instead of, I don't know, it just felt like he would be more gung-ho to sacrifice himself for Bix's death. I don't know, it's just very fascinating how much weight a few things have been changed in Rogue One now. That was such a great way also to show, like to give hope at the end of the show and tie it back to this whole of like fighting, fighting an evil empire that.
There's always hope in the future. And that's so well represented by showing the next generation a child. So that was really great. Yeah. Danny? Since Proto brought up... cleia being his favorite i mean outside of dedra we'll talk about her in a minute i think the unraveling of cyril might be one of my favorite arcs in the story as well him at the beginning of this you know in his like
He's getting everything he wanted. He's the double agent, the inside man for the Empire, working this life on Gorman. To him, you know... slowly making the Empire's plans come to fruition and him finding out what he's actually been doing, what Dedra's not been telling him. And then just when the attacks in the Gorman Square happen and he kind of walks out and that pan around him. as everything is going down and his facial expressions and him realizing what's going on.
It's just, it's exactly what you want from Star Wars. And I mean, that's just after he leaves from almost choking her to death. And then like that whole interaction's insane. And then when he catches a glimpse of Cassian. he inadvertently saves Deidre's life by like charging at him and stopping him from like sniping Deidre, which I feel like is so subtle that...
makes also Tony's creation of this brilliant. And then the fight with him and Cassian and Cassian saying, who are you? As we go through two seasons of, um, Cyril knowing exactly who Cassian is and hunting him down this whole time, for him to just say, who are you at the very end, is just like, hell yes. I just kind of love that juxtaposition of these two characters.
what we've gone through the two of them. Also, they put up a great fight for someone who I did not think could fight as well. But yeah, I think Cyril's unraveling was some brilliant writing. i felt like that really circumvented my expectations too with his death in that scene because i think uh like an easy way out or like a lesser writer or someone who isn't willing to like remain focused on the big picture or see the big picture would have like, it's such an easy plot to like.
see Serral become a rebel. You know, like, oh, he gets... disenchanted by what's in front of him. And, oh, actually, he's going to join the rebels now. Because you kind of, you know, he's kind of like that, he has that path of like an anti-hero where you're following a bad guy. But as you watch him, you... start to like kind of root for him and want him to kind of switch sides and you like the character.
But I felt like that was shocking to me to see him killed off in that moment because it felt very much like a reminder that like, no, this guy... He's part of the empire. This is a bad guy. He's complicit in all of these evil things. And even though you know about his life and his relationships and you might start to feel empathy for him.
He's one of the bad guys, and you shouldn't feel that way when he's dead. So I thought that was kind of like a shock to my system, but also just great writing. And I think his storyline... and this has probably been talked about a bunch, but like his storyline mirrors our current situation a lot too. Like someone who is like looking for success and acceptance.
where they haven't gotten it and they get besmirched and then they're like, they're working for people who are kind of hiding, maybe not really hiding their true motives, but they're choosing to almost ignore them. for their own gains and then they find out like oh actually we weren't in this for this and that and we're actually doing like actually evil things
Like I've been a pawn like this whole time. So you can see that in today's climate really easily, like young white men who have been like disenfranchised by the left. And like, I think a lot has been said about that, like the, about like what has pushed all these like white dudes to the right. And they just are now just embracing it. So like the, his storyline is like exactly that almost.
And he realizes it way too late that I've just effed up so hard. Yeah, his storyline is just so complex and amazing. Mon dancing. Top three Star Wars moment of all time. Jeez. what unreal just an unreal scene unbelievable i mean not just the dancing but like star wars dance music I mean, where's the ILM documentary on people developing Star Wars dance music? Like, let's I'll take three hours of that. And I think we talked about it in the and or season one episode where like.
He arrives at that beach in season one and you hear like weird Star Wars music that you're not used to hearing and it's fun and it's dancey. It's like, whoa, this is so weird. Yeah, Mon's character in that scene was amazing. Having that dude offed. And then, yeah, it was crazy how quickly she becomes Star Wars.
Mothma with her haircut at the end and her gown. Proto is nodding in approval of her outfit and look at the end of the movie. Yeah, I mean, they... they looked great i mean even just seeing like the the um the development of yavin throughout this too was so cool it's like because when they first when they're first there
I can't remember the first time you see it and you're like, oh my, like you had that realization like, oh, this is Yavin, they're here. So cool. Yeah, when he's stranded there for so long with those other rebels. Oh, right, yeah. And the fighting between the two of them.
And it has that last scene where he flies out and he pans out and you see the ruins on Yavin. You're like, oh my God, they've been on Yavin the whole time. Yeah, a lot of people were saying how the first three episodes were kind of slow and like a bad start. I don't know what they're talking about. I personally loved the...
the start of the series like I love the open fields like the visuals and the forest like let's just let it play out like I don't know what people were expecting part of what did you think of the start of the season I Well, I think that was the only, to me, when we talked about the acting, I thought that was the only weak point, was that crew of rebels that had captured Cassian.
Some of those scenes, it just felt kind of janky. It's like, is Jon Favreau in the room? He's walking in the room real quick. Oh, God. Yeah, I wasn't sure about that. But, you know, I thought, so one thing I was surprised with this season was I was expecting much more. action and much more stakes of like what we had of like in the first season of like the Aldani heist. I was expecting like four more.
events like that. And like, it's going to be all like the rebels going, but again, like, that's just like me having, I think, typical expectations, like you double down on your, your next season, but. They just kept it about the characters rather than anything else. But not to say that the action stuff wasn't great. And it was great. I mean, them starting this with Cassian, this guy, this experienced rebel.
has things figured out and like not being able to fly this fighter plane. That's pretty hilarious. Yeah. I like seeing the kind of like hapless. rebellion or like you know this is what happens when you don't have any brains behind the operation because yahoos are on yavin i thought i thought the first planet uh the wheat planet or whatever they're on when they're farming i mean it's another like
Tony Gilroy jab at our current climate. I mean, undocumented status of these people working there with Bix and Brasso. The Empire comes in checking their immigration papers and they don't have them. And is this the first time we've had to deal with any sort of sexual assault? storyline in Star Wars when Bix gets attacked by the Imperial guy and just like it's it's just laying it on like hard and I I mean I love the beginning of this I thought Brasso's death
was a major bummer. I don't know if I loved it, but I guess I understood it mainly. I don't know. I think it's what pushed Bix and Cassian back together to, you know. work together a bit. But yeah, I thought that beginning was nuts. Has Gilroy said any of this stuff in interviews or is he just letting the show? Oh no, he's pretty outspoken. I know he's outspoken about a lot. I guess I haven't really read anything he said outside of quotes.
The buzzwords about like Kathleen saving, you know, protecting him and the budget and how he was pissed that the robot had a backstory in a comic book. Those are like the things that I've read.
Proto? Well, earlier, Slim, you mentioned what if Tony Gilroy had written the prequel trilogy? I had thought, what if they had Tony Gilroy... write a trilogy but like just during the original trilogy but from more from the rebels perspectives well you know create like a new rebel who is I don't know, maybe he's there when they blow up the first Death Star, and then he's doing something else during Empire Strikes Back.
But that period, I mean, of course, that is the Star Wars period that we all have the most nostalgia for, we love the most. And this is so close to that. And then Tony gets it so well. And, you know, at one point I would have thought, like, can you, like, am I interested in Star Wars stories that don't involve Jedi and Sith? the Force. And I think this proves it, that you can tell really great stories in this universe that are incredibly compelling, that are focused on the stuff that...
makes it great battling the Empire. There's just endless stories to tell. If Tony did a trilogy series just kind of layered on top of the original trilogy, I think that would be amazing. Don't they have another trilogy in the works from Simon Kinberg, but then also the dudes that wrote Game of Thrones or something? No, I think they've been axed. Those guys, yeah. Get them out of my face. I honestly can't keep straight what's coming. I know at least we have the Mando Grogu movie.
I don't even want to begin to speculate or think about right now. Can't wait for us to cover it on the show. Yeah, we will. Oh, we're going to. Right after we do Rogue One again. What about Ray's movie? Oh, yeah. There's Ray. That feels like that shit's floundering, too. Yeah. They lost the writer or something. What, Tony? What are we doing? We need Ray. I need Ray somewhere. I love Ray.
Ray should be a character in a property of some kind happening today. It's a bit nonsense that it hasn't happened. Right. I completely agree. Danny, anything else? I mean, yeah, I have a shit ton of notes. The Clea Luthan backstory I thought was brilliantly done. Oh, yeah. Especially to give a little bit more weight on, I mean, it gave more weight on their whole relationship in all of season one and two now.
but you know for her going back to not save him but to in his life i thought was and her kiss on his forehead my god i mean brilliant moments with the two of them seeing them like work together and bomb a bridge of Rep of Imperial on Naboo was nuts uh which is where it kind of all starts um I just love that backstory um
I love Melshi, the rebel with Cassian. He's on Rogue One. This is like the little subtle things that Tony did was... when val is going through the armory on yavin and she holds up that gun that's the imperial uh gun and she's like whose gun is this and mel she like waves his hand and like that's the gun that cassian gave melchie
on the miami planet uh or when they when they get out of whatever in the second season and that's the gun like we just were watching season one again and that's the gun that he literally steals from cyril on in the very beginning of season one when he puts the gun to his head in the beginning. So it's like this gun has survived with Cassian through this whole thing. I just love that callback.
The Dedra safe room scene I have written down where everything is unraveled and her uniform is choking her. What a brilliant moment for her just to have that realization of what she's done.
And I don't know if she's having, I don't know if she's having, like, I don't know. Like, is she having regrets? Is she having feelings for what she just... allowed to happen to cyril or what she's done to cyril does she really have feelings for him did she ever um i don't know that her whole her whole ending was brilliant to me too i'm glad she wasn't killed off i love that she's kind of back
on, I mean, in that, you know, the, the, whatever thing that the jail they were in in season one. What if the trilogy, the Gilroy trilogy follows a reformed Dedra fighting for the rebellion? In the shadows. I'm listening. I'm listening. Oh man. Yeah. Like she gets the, the rebels break her out and then she's like, I've got some, I've got some info. Oh my God. That'd be sick. That'd be nuts.
Yeah. Like, I mean, how horrifying that is. Like that scene of her in the prison. Oh my God. Like your life. Like, what are you even thinking in that moment? Like I've dedicated my whole life to this and they just threw me in prison. Yeah. She's literally done everything. for them and everything they've asked of her and now she's in prison oh her dropping that imperial device from season one on luthan and their interactions jesus
Yeah, that whole scene was great. Honestly, I feel like I'll actually be shocked if no Emmys are won on this show. How about, you think Forrest Whitaker could win for that scene? Okay, let's move on. Oh, you didn't like Forrest? I love Forrest. I love Forrest. Oh, my God. That was a great one. I completely forgot about that moment, too, with him and... What's his name? I forget his name. I can't remember that character. I want to call him William.
Wilbur. Yeah. I wanted to know more about that device. I thought that was going to be like an element, like a bigger element in the show of whatever it was. But it was great how it was just kind of like this thing, just kind of like a one-off. Actually, I read about it later. It was for them stealing the fuel or whatever. But yeah, his scenes, I found that so compelling. And just the fact that they could have Forrest Whitaker through...
like in this show and like give those small performances. I loved his stuff. Yeah. I mean, can you blame them getting high off space fuel? You ever smell gasoline? Smells amazing. Slim. What? Amazing. If you're ever at the gas station, if you ever smell gasoline, it smells great. You like it? Yeah, I like it too. You don't like the smell of gasoline? What? The two of you. Oh, yeah. Holy Lord. Me, Proto, and Saw huffing buttons.
I wrote down Sinta's death. I saw some complaints about her death. I can't remember if it was in our Discord or online, being like a gay character that's been killed off. But to me, I felt like it was another one of Tony's writing where, because Val had... Val's whole story was like, don't bring a gun. Listen to me. Someone's going to get killed. Something wrong is going to happen. And it ends up being sent to death. And I feel like that's like a commentary on...
the LGBTQ community saying, please listen to us. Don't say the things that we're asking you not to say online. It's really harming our community. And this is what happens when you do. And we don't listen to them. Someone in the community dies and it ends up being her lover. And it's like, listen to people, please. Listen to these marginalized communities.
Val was alive at the end of the show, right? Mm-hmm. So we got Val, Clea, and Dedra. Yeah. And Bix. And I'm just saying, folks. Just saying. I saw a bunch of memes where... or afterwards people were saying like, you know, in a new hope. So here's Luke and Han and a Wookiee up. receiving medals and they're like all in that audience watching them you know like who are these bozos
Yeah, this farmer falls ass backwards into destroying the Death Star. He doesn't even want to be there. Yeah, he doesn't want to be there. He's a whiny bitch. And he's getting the medal. Seriously. The biggest Mary Sue in Star Wars is Luke Skywalker. Anything else, Danny? Sure. I love the call. I love General Graven being back.
Fashion designer Cassian I thought was awesome. What a great look for him. I also loved how like him and the dude at the hotel. Yeah, Rebellions are built on home. That storyline. Yeah, that was cool. I mean, we haven't really talked a ton about Mothma, but her speech is incredible. I feel like if anyone's going to win an Emmy for this show, I think it's her. Her whole storyline is incredible.
just the cost of rebellion, the conversation, like her and Cassian meeting for the first time and her reactions to seeing someone killed right in front of her and it's her driver and stuff like that. Like it's just bonkers moments with her. I just, yeah, incredible stuff. There's so much more we could talk about, but yeah, I mean, I'm kind of tapped on like all my big notes. Oh yeah, her giving that speech and then like escaping.
out of the Senate was so cool. Yeah. Those last few episodes, there's some great moments. I mean, them even rescuing Clea, K2 having his moment. When I looked back at that scene, I was like, he killed every single Stormtrooper there. He's the only reason they got out of it. Also, that Stormtrooper task force was cool. Incredible. Yeah. I think that's pulled from a comic.
I can't remember where their whole getup was pulled from. I can't remember. I thought that dude who was usurping Dedra, I could have sworn I heard him called Piet. I think he says Admiral Piet. But he gets killed, right? So is he a different Admiral Piet? Like he's Piet's brother from the original movie? Oh, you think his name was Piet? Yeah. Oh. I thought he said Admiral Piet. Isn't there Admiral Piet in the original movie? Yeah.
So I thought that that was like that guy. Oh. I think Piet dies in Empire. I don't think it's that guy. I'm just wondering why they use the same name. Maybe it's not Piet. Is it his cousin or something? Maybe we just... It sounded like it. They're all running. Clea, Leia. I know. Yeah, seriously. What are we doing? Just quick notes. See if I have any honorable men. She's here. The dinner with Cyril's mother and Dedra.
Have mercy. Oh, my gosh. Turn off the lights. When they turn the lights out, too. Yes. Who knows what they do with the lights out, folks? Use your imagination. I mean, a lot of joking. I think we all know what's happening when the lights are out with those two. Use your imagination, folks. I have. Cassian, yeah, Beck's leaving. Lonnie? What about Lonnie?
I'm getting offed by Luthan on that bench. Heartbreaking. Poor guy. Needed to be done though. Needed to be done. Definitely a loose string. Jedha, Kyber, Urso. That was cool. The Bail Organa switch up? I'm super into it. You like the Jimmy? 100%. I'm into it. It's kind of a bummer because I do love that Jimmy's been in it. for so long and it's just because of timing or, you know, his schedule that he couldn't be in for bail. What's he doing? What's Jimmy Smith doing? He's got his own TV show.
Is he like a cop on CBS or something? It's like CSI Montana or something. Oh my God. Big Sky CSI. But I do love what's his name as Bale. I thought he was a great little switch up. Oh, yeah. I thought it was fantastic. I think it might be better than Jimmy Smith's. Well, yeah. I think as an actor, maybe. Yeah. Conversation. It does bum me out that Jimmy couldn't finish out the story.
I think there was a Gilroy quote talking about Jedi. No one knows about the Jedi. No one knows about the Sith. It's just a tiny percentage of people that have any idea of it, which I thought was awesome. It's not even mentioned. Who cares? There's other things going on. It's a big universe. Yeah, it made me think, I was thinking earlier, I was like, what if we heard that there was some Buddhist monk in India or somewhere who...
they were saying could levitate or move things with his mind. We'd be like, okay. Yeah, sure, buddy. The way that it's... portrayed in Andor, I feel, is like that, which is so cool because they talk about that even in the movies where Han doesn't even believe it, but you're like, dude, Luke's right here. The Mary Sue's right next to you. But this makes it feel more real in that way. It's so true. Pardo? Wrap it up. Yeah, I think we covered all of my notes. Yeah, I guess.
Final thoughts. Yeah, I love this show. I think it's really special. I mean, in some ways, it's hard to imagine that we'd ever get anything like this again. You know, I guess that's the cynical side of me thinking about that. that this is kind of like a unicorn show. Hopefully that's not true. Hopefully there's people at Disney that will, you know, see the power of this and can find another half bill.
to make it a reality for us so I can enjoy it with my family. It feels similar to Last Jedi in that it's so different but similar, but this feels almost universally loved. Where last Jedi was so divisive. I wonder if we've like, are we now at the point where things can be super? No, we can't. Acolyte was like reviled. Yeah. That was great. But what can you do? I mean, this was the first.
I think this, the only, not accolade, but it was the first time ever on IMDB that a run of five consecutive episodes was user-ranked 9.5 and above. ever, for any TV series ever. Oh, wow. Which I feel like is an insane accomplishment across the board. The Nemec speech to wrap up the show I thought was great. Right? That's that character who wrote the... Oh, yeah. The book. Remember the book that- The manifesto. That was great. Mm-hmm. There's also like two quotes that I wrote down.
I mean, where he's like, there's a whole galaxy out there waiting to disgust you. When he was talking to Deidre at the gallery, that conversation was great. But then also he had another line. I think it was when they were like, they choose to run. With him and Clea, he's like, we fight to win. That means we lose. I think that was Lutheran. I wrote that down. We fight to win. That means we lose.
Actually, that sounds like Cassian. I did like an accent. I'm not sure who you were just doing there, but it was good. Give you the Emmy for the accent. All right. Andor wrapped up season two. God, man, I guess I have to make and or are. Darn. Darn. Darn. Darn. Thanks to everyone for listening. What's next for Star Wars? I mean, we're all excited for the Mando movie.
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