The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker -- 12/15/25

Wow, a brand new Nightcap on this Monday evening, December fifteenth, twenty twenty five, counting down the days till Christmas, and I can't get here soon enough for me. I don't know about you, Gary, Jeff Walker. Welcome to the Nightcap. And there are so many really, really awful stories floating around in the news in the last twenty four hours, including the apparent murder of Rob Reiner and his wife in their home in Los Angeles. We'll be talking a

Our old friend.

Dan was of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books, fame, and a man who was all over everywhere in social media and you can find a loaded mic on YouTube. Be careful how you spell Mike, by the way, and if you want to know anything about your Second Amendment rights and living in a truly free country where liberty is king and not the government, this is a guy you want to talk to. And I thought, in the

Hey, Gary, Jeff, Yeah, thanks for having me on the show. As always, You're right, man, this is a real This is a common of not only anti Semitism, but dangerous gun laws the Australian government. You mentioned the nineteen ninety

Sure, Well, one of the things that's most striking about it to me, Dan, is that you have to provide a genuine reason that they accept to even be considered for a license to registrated gun. Self defense is not a genuine reason in the eyes of Australian officials.

Right well, that that was one of the things I was gonna mention. Yes, you're absolutely right that that right there when they say you you you specifically can't have a firearm for self defense, and then one of these tragedies happens. Whose fault is that?

Is this not.

Obvious to everybody that the Australian government disarmed their people and put them in this situation and specifically said if you want players for defense, you can't. I don't know what else you have to do to make it blatantly obvious that you want people to get hurt.

Yeah, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

And of course their knee jerk reaction to this as to impose even stricter gun.

Laws, which just as well.

I mean, it's it's it's exacerbating the insanity that's already at play in this country. And this is a country, by the way, if you'll remember, during COVID Man they people had no freedom at all. You thought the lockdowns in the United States were bad, if you went more than five hundred feet outside your home, you could be

It's so you know, it's so infuriating when you when you when you say that, I can't And maybe it's just because freedom is in our DNA here in America. As much as the political left tries to destroy our freedom, Uh, it's still in our DNA. I mean, it's part of who we are as Americans. The Australians, well, they don't have a constitution like we do, so that you know, they've been able to condition the people, I think a little bit easier than you'd be able to condition Americans.

You said, you said something very very important to this conversation, Dan, you said, freedom is in our DNA in this country.

And if you think about.

It, historically Australia was a prison colony and in some ways it still is.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's it's amazing because it's hard for us to look at the look at these situations and go, what the hell is wrong with you people? I mean, I'm looking at them and going, what is wrong with you people? Are you really?

Just are you?

Are you stupid? Because you're watching people get killed knowing that they're getting killed because they've been disarmed, and then you want to disarm them even more.

I don't know, Gary, Jeff.

It's just sometimes it's astonishing to me. Maybe my brain just can't comprehend what they're thinking. And I try, believe me, I try to put myself in their mindset, but it just doesn't make sense unless unless the goal is to make people vulnerable and dependent upon their government.

It sure smells like that, Dan in Australia and other places, in certain places in this country right now, depending on what the specific laws are. I mean, you're in New York State, You've got a governor that is anti gun, to say the least. Every time the Supreme Court comes down with a decision and Second Amendment, people feel like they've won a victory for their God given rights enshrined

You know, we got to give.

A high five and prayers for quick recovery to the you know, the guy, the good Samaritan that attacked one of the shooters from behind, took his gun from him and held him at bay and neutralized him. But if that same person had had or had been permitted to have a weapon under Australian laws, it might have been over a lot quicker.

Oh yeah, you know, absolutely know, Like like here in America, you don't know who's got a who's got a handgun in their shoe on the beach, you know, or over their towel, things like that. I personally know people who who wouldn't go to the beach without a without a gun. So uh, anywhere for that matter, without a gun, you know, and and so. But in Australia you can, you can plan on everybody being unarmed and helpless, not only Australia, other countries too, of course, but in this particular case.

You know?

Well, this is the other question, Dan, how did with all of these very strict licensing and gun restrictions in Australia. Apparently the two gentlemen I called him gentlemen, the two murderers were carrying around licensed weapons. There's a minimum twenty eight day waiting period in Australia for a new gun license application be processed. And I remember watching a sixty minutes episode of this reporter just so proud of the man he was interviewing because he properly locked up all

But yeah, responsible as a man, it's not responsible, uh, to put yourself in that position and not be able to.

Protect your face, Yeah, and your family exactly. So when people ask for longer waiting periods before you can get a gun in this country, that that's not helpful.

That's not that's not good.

For the the uh, the betterment of society is it?

Know, all you're doing is you're you're putting people in further danger. The right stories of people who had to wait.

There was a.

Carol, her name was in New Jersey. She had to wait extended period of time. They extended it over the thirty or ninety days, whatever it was. I think it was thirty day weight, it was forty five days. So she was trying to get her handgun. She still hadn't got her handgun at forty five days later, and that's when the guy she was trying to protect herself from killed her.

Huh.

So the New Jersey government made her vulnerable, made her defenseless, knowing there were police reports and everything. They knew that she was in danger from this guy, and yet they made her wait forty five days just so he could kill her. It's unbelievable.

Well, you mentioned earlier that the Australian government is in a way responsible for this tragedy that happened on the beach during Hanukkah because of these just unbelievable draconian authoritarian gun laws. But they're also in a country that so famously cracked down over COVID and kept the lid on the entire society for a false narrative. This is also a government that has proven itself to be not answering to the calls to stamp out the anti Semitism that

I mean because it's because it's not necessarily anti Semitism as much as it is radical Islam, yep. And they don't want to look at that.

No, No, they don't want to admit it for political reasons. And it's because a lot of people that support their government, just like it is here in this country. You know, you look at the shooting at Brown University and they wondered if it's it's tied to some kind of interconnected international anti Semitic uprising. But that's that's to be told later.

Isn't it amazing how leftling ideology has managed to become stronger in the minds of left wingers than their own religion. That's they've really done a number on these people, and they've really conditioned them and really brainwashed them to denounce their religion and in favor of the left wing ideology. It's just it's an amazing feat that they've accomplished. And I watch it and I go, what's wrong with you people? How can you denounce your own religion for your political party?

Do it, no doubt. It was a sad weekend. Like I started the show tonight, Dan, and I said, you know, I ten days till Christmas. I can't wait for it to get here because I want to celebrate something holy and good in my life and tune out what obviously is a fallen world. But you have to be able to protect yourself. That's our main point in our conversation. Uh, you know, guns are not the enemy. Guns are there

Dan, Guns are good and that's the one that I can think up too. It's like, if we don't have them, we're vulnerable, and I think we need to really be focused on the people who want to disarm us. That's that's the real problem.

Yep.

Absolutely, Dan was Goodgunbadguy dot com if you'd like to find out more, and you can access all of Dan's other social media flings here and there, including the loaded mic video through that website.

Initially, Dan was, thank.

You so much, Thanks so much, Pal, I really appreciate it. Have a great Christmas, Merry Christmas.

Dan, all right, Doctor Carol Lieberman coming up after the news here on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW, a woman who was known as America's Psychiatrist, the Terrorist Therapist, host of Doctor Carroll's Couch on Voice America dot com, the Terrorist Therapist podcast, and you've probably seen her on multiple news outlets giving your opinion on well, what's going

To the show. How are you?

Thank you fine, thank you.

I wonder.

How somebody like Chuck Schumer, who is the highest ranking elected official who happens to be Jewish in this country, can continue to ignore or not discuss or hold accountable people in his own party who are I mean, blatantly anti Semitic and shouting things like from the River to the Sea and free Palestine and calling for this two state solution, which by the way, the Australian's Prime Minister was one their government was one of many across Europe

Yes, absolutely. The government in Australia has not been very careful or really you know, has turned a deaf ear to you know, the rising anti Semitism there that people have been trying to alert them to. But you know, that's what's happening all over really and.

You know in.

Europe, in America except for Trump, who is paying attention, but he's being battled every which way, you know, a lawyers, i mean judges, you know, saying that he can't do some of the things that he wants to do in terms of getting some of these people out of America and a two state solutions, there is no way that that would ever work because really, you know, terrorists want to destroy Israel and so having two states, I mean

You know.

I think I always each time that there is a horrible terror attack, I think I wish that this would finally. Is this one going to be the one that's going to turn the tide? Are people going to realize the method is enough? And so far there hasn't been one now, I mean because as part of it is the mainstream media isn't reporting all of the attacks. That there are attacks happening in Europe every day, France, the UK, Germany, Belgium every day and there was just one in Belgium

Well, a lot of a lot unless we do something.

A lot of it is happening in this country because and in other countries, to be honest, because of unvetted immigration and the open border policy of Joe Biden and the refuge program for Somalia started way back when. That has turned parts of Minnesota into Little Somalia and parts of Dearborn, Michigan into an Islami state almost. I mean,

I mean, well we have been to too. You know, there's a point. I mean, it's of course you want to be kind to people, all kinds of people, but there's there's being naives and there's being ignorant. I mean, that is the problem.

You know.

It's like gays for Gaza. When Yahu was here and spoke to Congress, he talked about gays for Gaza, because you know, if they were in Gaza, they'd be thrown off a roofs. And yet these people, all these people in Gaze for Gaza. It's not just the gays, you know, it's all the people who are in those protests and so on. They don't realize that these same people who they're trying to support are terrorists who want.

To kill them.

It's like signing your own death warrant, basically, right, Oh so what is What do you think is the answer then, other than being aware that this is a real problem and that action must be taken, what kind of action would doctor Carol Lieberman suggest?

Well, a number of things. First of all, we need to start seeing much more careful about who we elect, even to dogcatcher, you know, and of course to mayor and of course the governor and all of that, to make sure how knowledgeable they are about terrorism and terrorists. H Then also I think we need to each community needs to have a committee that talks about these things and what they're going to do to prevent anti Semitism, to be able to fight terrorists, you.

Know, to.

To not just wait for people on the top to figure out a solution, but to start doing things themselves and to start educating themselves. And that's of course the other place that is, you know, a big, big problem. Kids don't learn the true history. They don't learn the true history of America, and they don't certainly learn the true history of terrorism, because that would be considered as long as they'd be Islama, folks. I mean in some most schools, many schools, they don't even teach about what

Well, you talked about revamping our educational systems, so the next generation is taught about terrorism, about freedom and history in general.

You know.

It's another situation where we've taken the Bible and God out of our public life, in public schools, you know, and they could read their Bible and learn about the history of Israel, you know what, they could understand that this isn't like a problem from the last fifty sixty years, that this.

Has been going on for this has been going on.

For thousands of years. That Israel is the promised land given to the Jews by God as their home. I mean, if you look at the real history of that region, it belongs to the Jews. I guess that makes you It makes me a Zionist. But okay, oh well I'm a Zionist then because Israel is for Jews, yes, and not people that want to kill them.

Yes. I mean you have to go back. If you go back and back and back, you know, then you realize that this there never was a Palestine for one, so you know, yes, this is and what's ironic about the Fundai attack is the man who was the hero. You know, I have the gun from one of the gunmen.

Miracle of light. And by the way, happy hanaka doctor Carol.

I didn't get a chance, thank you, thank you. Yes. So so look at the irony like a nice thing, you know, a positive thing. Okay, they destroyed the temple many years ago, but Assyrians, you know, stop this attack. That's really irony and it's really lovely.

It is that the bravery of that man.

I'm watching that video and just like look like some kind of an action movie or something. But I mean, yes, that that guy's a hero for sure, and he paid for it with an injury. But it looks like he's going to be getting out of the hospital and fine shape when it's all said and done. So Australia, of course, isn't blaming anti semitism. I was just on the phone

Absolutely, of course that's what they do here when yeah, there's a school shooting. Oh we have to make stricter gun laws. Yes, not address the problem, you know, because in some ways the well, for a number of reasons. One because there are people who want to do that anyway, which is so dangerous because you could get someone in it as the president who doesn't have well like we had Biden and like we had Obama who didn't really have American's best interests at heart. So we do need

Israel, doctor Kara Lieherman, America's psychiatrists, the terrorist therapist.

Thank you so much for your.

Time, and we can pray for peace and better days, but we can't ignore the problem.

And I think that's absolu.

All right, Thank you so much, thank you, and I say Merry Christmas, and I say it's time for a break. And when we come back, more Nightcap, including Richard Lyons on the DNA of Democracy.

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Into our number two of tonight's night tap on seven hundred W l W. Gary jeff And joining us now, author and poet, the author of DNA, DNA of Democracy and Shadows of the Acropolis, and so many things to talk about regarding what feels different and why we're not living up to our birthright as a country right now. Richard Lyons joins us tonight. And the first thing Richard said when I called him on the phone a few

Oh well, He's just he needs two things. He needs a couple of things. He needs an offensive line, they can stop the opponent's defense.

Yeah, and he needs a.

Defense that can stop the opponent. He needs a great deal.

Well, we had neither of those yesterday in a twenty four to nothing lost to the Baltimore Ravens, including two more Joe Burrow interceptions, which is not the usual Joe Burrow modus operandi. I mean, he's thrown two interceptions each in the last two games, and people blame Joe Burrow just cannot see the fours for the trees.

It's it's it's amazing.

Yeah.

I think he's just exhausted because it's such an impossible position. He said, So you tend to you tend to lose spirits when when you know you're not going to get to where you need to go.

You know, And let's blend. Let's segue that into our conversation, our greater conversation. Talking to Richard Lyons on the Nightcap, as author of The DNA of Democracy and Shadows of the Acropolis, do you think that it's easy for Americans who care about their country of pride in this country and pride in what it stands for and was based upon. Do you think that a lot of us are getting a little tired and worn out from what's happening from within our country.

Well, that's a really good question, but we shouldn't. And I'll try and describe why I wrote the DNA of Democracy series because I feel the American people need an education on the unique brilliance of the history of this country. It is unexampled in world history that we had a country fought for the rights of humanity, a country that fought for the divine rights given to every individual. This is a system that is opposite to the tyrannical systems

Yeah, no doubt about it.

And that's where we are. And so we really were at we're at a critical point, right it was we were. We were at a critical point in the Civil War and it cost a million casualties to correct the flaw, the flaw of slavery in the original Constitution. We now stand at a point where the Democrat Party has invited in and grown socialism for one hundred years. And we have to face this now and have faith in the

To this system.

These are faiths which demand humility and understanding and peace with political opponents, which socialism does not do.

No, Aman, you've seen the rise of the left, the socialism socialists that you're talking about, and how they are have no compunction at all against using violence to achieve their goals.

And if they do not do it legally, they do it extra legally, which is through the administrative state. And if they can't do it there or bend the elbow of the judiciary, then yes, they use violence. You're exactly right.

And we've seen time and time again on the.

Left where when they burned out two hundred cities, oh because they were saying angry.

You know, the city of Cincinnati did a pretty good job during the riots of twenty twenty, I will give them credit, but still we had that here. It wasn't just in Seattle or Portland or Los Angeles or any of these major leftist cities. It happened everywhere, and it was condoned by leaders at the time as justice for George Floyd. You know, the time where the rest of us were being told that we had to wear masks if we went outside the house because of the threat

We did see that.

And no, the other tie to the rise of socialism is the rise of globalism.

Yes, in our world.

You know that they're talking about a world in which we won't no one will own anything, but we'll have a nice little apartment box and a big screen TV and we'll.

Be happy at a bucket of popcorn.

Yeah great, and we'll be happy.

Yes, No, that's exactly so. And you find the global The way we were constructed originally was that most politics were local. It was at the town assembly that you exerted direct democracy and let people in your town know how you feel, and if you had a better way

Well, you know, I think that there's hope that they will make that determination at the highest court in the land. They already did something really, really good a couple of years ago with the Chevron decisions.

So exactly, which took the.

Power out of these administrative states, the administrative state, the unelected bureaucrats in these administrations, agencies that are appointed, not elected, and you know, giving the power back to Congress and the president as far as rules and regulations, and Donald Trump has been instrumental in deregulating a lot of these draconian administrative state kind of rules made by people who don't have any accountability.

To the city.

I don't think. I don't know, if you know, most people in America don't understand that the administrative state is, by its function, a fourth part of our government. Yeah, and they exercise legislative characteristics, executive and judicial characteristics, and investigative powers all in one. And this is exactly why our government is broken into three branches, because you never

That is truly taxation without representation, which is what we broke away from.

The King for.

Yeah, exactly, exactly so, and so that's what my two books go into. Why did we leave the King and why have we gotten back to that? How have we gotten back to that? And we have a government that's un answerable to our will. It's supposed to be our government, but we are being treated now like we're subjects, and that's the growth of socialism.

Can we look back, Richard Lyons, to.

What happened to the democracy in ancient Greece and what happened to what what was the Roman Empire? And why they fell? Are we seeing Are we seeing similar signs here?

Yeah? They Well, in Athens, I would point out that there was a there was a central treasury of the League of Greek City States that formed an answer to the Persian invasions, and its treasury was held in Delos. So that would be the equivalent in the United States of oh, the treasury is in Missouri.

Okay.

Right.

Then Athens got arrogant and Athens said, no, we're going to take the treasury from being in Delos. We're going to put it in Athens. And not just that, but every one of the league in the Delian League is a lesser city state than Athens. From now on, Athens will dictate to the Delian League that was contrary to the to the federalism that the Greek city states enjoyed.

Well don't you think that that kind of plays into this party system we have in this country that George Washington warned about as he was.

Yes, that was it was one of the premier concerns of all the founders that by having magnetism in political parties where you formed different groups that combat at each other and vie for power, Yeah, that would be a problem because it naturally goes against individual rights, liberties, and interests. But that is how we're formed, and we have these

Well, hopefully it can maintain that strength through the midterms coming up. And yeah, absolutely there are signs pointing both ways as to how that goes right now, but we're still months off.

Well, I think we really need a central message.

Now.

The beauty of Trump was maga make America great again. Now there's a hundred policies under that, but everybody recognizes that line. Everybody has that hat, and that's what everybody voted for. So I think we need you know, it needs to We need to know we're fighting for the Constitution, We're fighting for free enterprise, We're fighting for federalism. I mean, federalism is a virtue that we've forgotten. But we in we in in Ohio shouldn't be paying for the sins

No, exactly.

Let me ask you, Richard Lyons, Uh, what what other federal agencies this adminis straight of state would you like to see disbanded? If you had the power to suggest to the President and the powers that be, what besides the Department of Education needs to go? Because I can think of about four or five myself.

I would think if we make a virtuous enough tax system, we could do without the irs.

Amen, there you go, all.

Right, I think the Department of Energy could go. I think that, to be honest, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives doesn't need to exist.

Leave that to local law enforcement work.

With the thing.

All of these agencies and this is their weakness. Every agency has offices in every state, So why not let the states decide whether they want to keep that office in their state. Yeah, So if you want a Bureau of Tobacco Firearms in the state of Utah, keep it, but disband the one in Washington.

Well, I always thought that alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a store, not a government agency.

Well, I think Joe Burrow is pulling up to the alcohol part of it.

Well, I don't know. Do you see that sad press conference on his birthday?

My gosh, it just he is such a natural quarterback. Yeah, I mean everything about him, he's the natural.

He was the best quarterback in the NFL last year.

Yeah, by farnuck.

And he's suck.

Yeah, he is stuck and he doesn't like it.

And I don't blame him.

I mean, you know, it almost shrieks of Andrew Luck with the Indianapolis Colts and others you've seen that just just went to the wrong team. And I hate to say that about your Bengals, folks, but you know, and like you know, they didn't not even I'm going to get into this with the wild Man later on tonight, Wildman Walker. They didn't even. And the NFL requires teams to clean snow off of benches and railings before a game. Yeah, and the Bengals did.

Not do that.

And they did not allow fans to bring cardboard or anything to stand on. When they didn't clean off the stadium like they're supposed to under National Football League rules.

I'd like to see him.

Find for not doing well that you know, there's a real health hazard to that. Oh yeah, clips on the ice, for God's.

Sake, exactly.

You're a lot of liability there.

And it's not like we live in an overly litigious society.

The Democrats love that too, by the way.

Oh yes, they do money for free.

Anything else you'd like to add here in our closing minute, No, but.

I take hope in this. I take hope in this that Trump was elected in twenty sixteen when we were about to become institutionally socialist under Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, that while he was out of power, right while he was in power twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, he got a majority in the Supreme Court. And now you're watching with Chevron and other issues that they are rolling back the administrative state.

Good.

So this is all good. That Trump got elected again in twenty four knowing what he had to do, knowing what his cabinets should be composed of, he got a lot of great people. I think we're better off from that one election to twenty sixteen that we can really recognize. I think history will recognize it more than we do now.

All right, Richard lyonce, thank you so much the DNA of Democracy, Shadows of the Acropolis. Look for him and get yourself an education on the way things you're supposed to be.

All right, Thanks Garry.

You take care of him. Merry Christmas Richard an to you.

All right.

We will continue in just a few moments. My friend Dan was was here with us earlier. Another buddy, Drew Allen. First time in probably two two and a half years i've had Drew on. He's got a brand new book about Charlie Kirk and about the movement the turning point USA has begun, and about what's really important. So stick around for that after a break on the nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

As I mentioned.

Before the break, it's been a long long time since I had the pleasure of having Drew Thomas Allen on. We first met, gosh six seven years ago. Probably he was helping me book guests on this show and always gave me the best people and he still does to this Hey, but he's also an author.

He's also a father.

By the way, we'll start the conversation this way, Drew Allen, how is the family.

How's everybody doing?

Oh, they're good man.

My oldest is approaching three rapidly, she'll be three of the inn of March. So I keep saying two and a half. I've been saying two and a half for like three months. But anyway, and then and my other daughters rapidly approaching one. She'll be one in January. So so yeah, busy, it's a blessing.

I haven't I haven't talked to you since the birth of your second child. That's how long it's been. But God bless you. I'm I'm glad that it is a blessing, and I hope it's some merrier Christmas with all of that baby joy around the Allen house.

Yeah, you get to readlive your childhood a little bit, so it's an amazing thing.

Yeah.

The latest book that Drew has written is called for Christ and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. A lot of Charlie Cookbrooks kirkbooks out there right now. Erica has been front and center his widow and there's a new controversy.

Maybe we can get into that.

But first and foremost, why did you feel compelled to write a book about Charlie Kirk?

Drew?

Well, I didn't intend to write a book straight away, I'll just tell the quick story, and I have a very strong point that I think your audience will relate to.

So you mentioned I'm a father, I am. I'm thirty eight.

I don't usually pick up my daughter from school from preschool, but my wife told me that morning that the previous day she'd gone to pick up our daughter from school, and my daughter come to the car and been really disappointed because I wasn't there. She was like dad, adding car, his dad had there, and she kept saying. My wife said, no, he'sn't home. And I said, you know what, I'm gonna come with you and we're gonna pick her up. I want to see that joy on her face when she

And you know, i'd been.

There before in the sense that we all were there when when Trump got shot at the Butler Pennsylvania rally, but it was really quickly revealed that he was okay, and this was different. So I was scrolling on my phone refreshing news feeds while my wife went to get her daughter, and then I saw the video and anybody who saw that video knew, like it's not humanly possible, you know.

To survive it. Just it was just so gruesome, and.

I mean it all looked it almost looked computer generated when I saw it the first time, and it just didn't look real and it didn't feel real. But unfortunately it was go ahead.

Well yeah, and it still kind of feels that way, like I can't believe he's gone. But in the moment that I realized he was dead, I mean, my gut told me that my daughter was running to the car and she was so happy and like yelling at the top of the lungs.

Dad, Dad as in the car, Dad as in car.

And as I embraced my daughter, you know, I realized, like Charlie's little girl's never gonna have that experience again.

And it just it like it crushed me, man.

And you know, I was Charlie's publicist last summer for Right Wing Revolution, but I didn't know him personally.

And that's the that's the core of the book. I make that clear.

And I'm writing like millions of Americans who just felt devastated and we're trying to understand why. I mean, we've all the older you get, the more people die, right, And so I've lost people, but nobody affected me like Charlie.

And part of it was it was so close to home.

He had two kids who were roughly my kid's age, had in his case a daughter and a son.

And I cried for a week, Gary like I.

The next morning, I slept it by my wi my daughter's oldest daughter's crib that night, just because I wanted to be close to her.

The next morning, at breakfast, I just broke down.

She touched me with her little oatmeal covered hands at the breakfast table, and I just like, I just wept. And my daughter, you know, his dad has a dada, has an auchi and my wife said, yeah, he has an aushae on his heart, you know.

And I just I was.

Grappling with this, and and I knew Charlie was, you know, in important. But I don't think anyone, I don't I don't think anyone understood how important he was because he planted a lot of seeds and apparently he planted seeds for me too. And then as I was watching his videos and his sermons effectively, because he was kind of like a preacher, really set down to because he put

Charlie wasn't always that Charlie Kirk.

He had a hunger for truth, a hunger for knowledge and and faith and deepening that stuff. And so I still had this residual fear because I'd lost so many friends Democrat friends in twenty twenty. And even though I told myself I was courageous. I mean, I'm not tepid. I write books, I do a podcast, I come on shows.

Who did it?

It was the left transgender movement, and to talk to Americans about what we have to do to prevent this. And it's just that's what it was kind of born of. And then there are all these issues we need to talk about as a country, because I don't want to live in a country where this happens. Not only where this happens, but you know, I've got a chapter called nine ten is the new nine to eleven. That's not to downplay nine to eleven, But I remember when the

Celebrating Charlie's death. Yeah, it disgusted me.

And the thing is, we on the right, for the most part, don't have hatred against our political enemies or against the people that disagree with us.

We don't generally do that.

The left, it seems, has a pensiant for thinking violence is okay. And you look and poll after poll around this country. If you're looking at Democrats or people who identify as Democrats, people on the left are condoning. I mean, they're in favor. They think it's okay sometimes to commit violence against someone that you disagree with. And that's really a bad trend. In this country that has just risen up over the last five to ten years.

Drew.

Yeah, I mean it started with Trump's election twenty sixteen, and I get into an address on that.

This book's very personal too, but.

It started in twenty sixteen, and then by twenty twenty is when it really mistastatized, metastized, right, because you know, I didn't lose my friends in twenty sixteen the first time I voted for Trump. I did in twenty twenty because that constant drumbeat of hatred and the human is is what it was led people to excommunicate me from their lives just because of politics. And so there's moral relatives on the left. Charlie talked about it. We believe in transcendent.

Power in God. They are moral absolutes, and the left doesn't believe that.

So you know, Trump, I mean, well Trump too, But Charlie to the left was just a clump of sales. Right, It's just like an unborn baby wild. If you don't want the baby, it's a clump of sales. But if you want it, it's a baby. You know, you get the sonogram and it's like, that's a beautiful baby. If you want it and if you don't, it's just a thing to be discarded and killed. And so that's what they viewed Charlie kirkas. He wasn't somebody. He wasn't a father,

You know that was righteous.

Yeah, it's insane. It is insane, and you're right. It is very much like people Islamist in the Middle East dancing with joy when the towers came down in this country.

Back in two thousand and one, we're.

Talking to Drew Allen about his new book For Country or for Christ and Country rather get it right, Christ First, Always, For Christ and Country. The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. There was a meeting earlier today. I've not heard how it

Yeah, she's she's lost the plot.

She's not one of us.

She's an instrument of an evil at this point in destruction. And let me just say broadly before our narrow in on her, we had an opportunity here to really address and defeat the left because a radical wise leftist killed Charlie Kirk. Now you can ask questions about this and that, but the evidence is pretty clear that it was Tyler

And you know, her followers at this point are very much like leftists.

And let me be clear too, Cannis Owens and these people are not looking for the truth.

They're looking for conspiracy theories. There's a very big difference.

And you know, they operate from the position that it couldn't have been the guy who actually killed Charlie Kirk, and so therefore any evidence that would prove far more than anything they're throwing out there that he is the killer,

They're penis or whatever.

You know.

I mean, I just I can't do it.

Well.

Candice Owens used to see to me to be a pretty reasonable person. And I found her, like I said, entertaining an instructive in years past. I don't know what's happened to her other than this need to have people pay attention to her. Is she doing it for clicks for likes? Is is that what it is?

Yeah?

I mean, look, she's obviously a narcissist. She turned Carl's assassination into a story about herself. And you know, I tiptok to people at turning Point and people around there, I mean Eric, I mean, you know cannas Ollens puts out, you know, text messages between her and Charlie from like twenty eighteen, you know, as if that's reflective of was reflective of her current relationship with the organization and Charlie. Charlie was a decent person that wasn't going to go

You know, that's that's really really sad for Christ and Country. The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk is Drew Allen's new book. I understand you've had some trouble getting it out there. For some reason, people bought the Brooke book and then Amazon suspended it.

What is Amazon doing?

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I I can't speak with complete certainty except that I think there was a war that oh there were gonna be a bunch of Charlie kirkbooks come out that are AI generated and so on and so forth. And I mean I have a publisher, Eric Mataxas wrote the endorsement on the front of the cover.

Then they got it through and people were buying it.

It was really rising through the rankings, and then sometime, I guess on Saturday night or by Sunday morning, people are texting me saying, hey, we can't buy your book. Every time we go to buy it now it says, you know, we can't deliver to the address. So whatever's happened, my book has been throttled and sabotaged, and you know,

I've never had this happen before, Darren Jeff.

I mean, it's just it's it's I mean, I get some of the concerns out there about people who are writing these AI books or whatever else.

This is not that.

And yet somehow, you know, my book can't be be purchased.

I mean, they'll they'll get it fixed at some point, but you know, I don't. I don't.

I don't really know what to do because I don't want to point fingers in the wrong place. I don't want to pull candas owns. Yeah, I am frustrated, but you know it's just it's tough man.

Well it's important.

And you addressed this earlier that the title is for Christ and country, Christ first and people. I mean, I don't think people until they started examining in the aftermath of Charlie's death, that that's what Charlie was about. Christ first, Country second, you know, and family probably wedged in between those two because they were so important and dear to him,

You speak to that, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what made Charlie unique and different is that most people want you know, uh, friendly, you know, curated audiences.

You know, they need a candy crally.

Debate moderator to bail them out, like she bailed Obama out during that debate with mint Romney. And he he had so much conviction that was willing to go into hostile environments and talk because he he had a mastery of the truth and that's all he needed.

He didn't need an army at his back.

And you know, and that came from his faith, his Christian faith, and you know, his life and death totally transformed me. I mean, when people died in the past for a couple of days, maybe you know, I I thank God for the.

Breath of my lungs. I'm a little bit more.

Aware of the the you know, shortness, brevity of our time on this earth. But then I get back into the same old routine where it doesn't change. This changed me permanently, And I mean, I can't tell you how much I've been reading scripture and trying to deepen my faith and train like an athlete trains in the gym in terms of from an academic perspective of preparing for debates and mastering my own belief, so that I had

And yet it's you know, to watch.

Him basically fulfill what Christ promised us. You know, look, you're you're gonna be persecuted for following me. He took that all the way to the very end. And that's why also in the book, I say he was absolutely a martyr, and I think that millions of other people have been changed and you're not. There's not gonna be another Charlie Kirk ever again, just like there was never

Baton and carry Carrie.

You know, his race is finished, I guess you could say in ours is just beginning, and you know, we've got to step into the void, not to not to you know, I mean, like I said, he's irreplaceable, but we but we can, we can collectively still fight to continue that legacy and save the country.

We just have to have that conviction that he had.

Continue to uh attempt to get Drew's book for Christ and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It should be available, hopefully by this week and this nonsense stops, and Drew, I have some suggested reading for you with what we just talked about.

I'm ready.

That is Ephesians chapter six, verses ten through twenty, about putting on the armor of God, because our struggle is not, as it says, against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore, put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you're able to stand your ground.

Amen.

Amen. That's one of my favorite scriptures.

And you know we don't live for man's applause.

The only applause me to live for is our Lord and saviors.

And if you can have that attitude like Charlie, did you know you are unstoppable in terms of you know, your journey on this earth.

I mean, you know they can kill you. But look look what his murder did.

I mean, I know it's amazing. Drew. Great luck with the book and we'll talk soon.

Okay, friend, thanks brother, love you.

You got it.

Merry Christmas?

Uh break and then back a lot more nightcap to come, tagging our scheduled guest Bill Convoys. So in lieu of that, a very interesting interview I did last year well a man named Shotgun Tom Kelly on American History on the radio. Here is part two of that convo with the shotgun.

They lie in boothills all through the West, the outlaws, the guns, the bit of the kids, and wiss say, a fellow like the cow that shot Bill Hiccock in the back. There's always one like that and every time of history. Sure most of them were vomits, but every once in a while and one of them I may have lived a man.

We talked about Lauren Green and Ringo in our first segment. We're talking with Shotgun Tom Kelly, who has the same kind of voice as Lauren Green did. My God, he's a Monster American History on the radio. Shotgun Tom is our guest for the rest of this hour, and we're back. I wanted to ask you, Tom about your dad because in Tom's new book, all I want to do is play the hits out now on Amazon and anywhere you

Now, tell me about your dad.

Yeah, dad was a locomotive train engineer for the Santa Fe in San Diego. And I remember Dad came home and he said, this actor they had a film crew there and they wanted now this is later on in the in the late fifties, and this actor Dad had to get on his knees and bring the F seven, which is the war bonnet, the red war bonnet, a beautiful engine into San Diego. And so the film crew from the television station was filming that had this guy get off. He was portrayed as an engineer, so he

Cut and turns out he was my favorite.

Children's show host. His name was Johnny Downs. He used to be Johnny of Our Gang, and so for years as a kid, I used to watch him on the air and I used to say, Hey, my dad is Johnny Downs's engineer. He portrayed an engineer, see, so just like engineer Bill in LA. But yeah, my dad told me that story, and he told me another story. He got the nod to be the engineer on the presidential train to bring the President of the United States into San Diego, picked him up in Los Angeles, came to

So this was.

My dad's job, was done his This is his opportunity to get out of there. He grabbed his grip, he got off the engine and he was making his way to his car as fast as possible, and this guy stopped him. He said, I've been with these foes all day. You're the engineer, aren't you. And my dad said, yes, mister President, I am. It was Harry Truman. Wow in nineteen forty eight. Yeah, so, annyway, my dad walked about one hundred yards with Harry and then the Secret Service

But anyway, the hat is a.

Traditional thing that I've had in my career, and so I wanted to meet a president. So anyway, Duncan Hunter, my congressman made it happen. I went to the White House and this is all in the book. It's a deeper story in the book. But anyway, we're waiting outside the Oval office. Gary White House staff member comes and to tell us. And by the way, that hallway outside the oval it's not that big anyway, he said, duncan, Shotgun, the president is better to see you. So we go

Well, Gary, he knows my name.

He said, well, Shotgun, I understand that you were the MC and kept the people entertained why they're waiting for me in San Diego. And I said, yes, mister President.

I did. And I bring you my trademark ranger.

Hat, and I hope you'll put it on. And he goes, well he put it on. It was President Ronald Reagan in the book.

That's a great Reagan impression. You do that really? Well, oh, well, I had a little nay.

Michael Reagan.

Michael Reagan, his son is friend of mine. And when you get a copy, you get a stamp. It's not really the president's signature. But in the book, if you look, uh, in the book, all I want to do is play the hits available on Amazon and Barnesanoble dot com.

Uh. If you go in.

There, you will see uh the president's signature. Michael Reagan went to his dad and Santa Barbara and actually had him sign that's actually his signature and it's not a stamp.

I value that.

That's phenomenal because of your dad's involvement with trains, You've had a continuing lifelong love of trains.

Haven't you.

Tom Oh. Absolutely.

But the problem is when I was a kid, I was I came home from the train store and I said, Dad, I'd like to have a train, said, and he goes nothing doing sun I worked sixteen hours a day.

I don't want to see him when I come home. Yeah.

So anyway, and so maybe now as an adult, I had somebody else build my train layout twenty five thousand dollars Lloyd's Layouts of Los Angeles.

They do a marvelous job.

And I've got a downtown area, residential area, I've got four industrial areas plus a yard and the hero in the downtown area. I've always wanted this because I've never seen another train layout with an AM FMTV station right downtown and I had a tower, yeah, tower for the big tower, you know, not the one like WLWS, which is a standing tower, but it's a tower on my layout,

It's amazing.

I bet you have.

What was your first radio job, Tom, very first.

First radio Yeah, the very first one. I was sixteen years old. I was hanging around a radio station in the week and then the weekend guy was the program director of this FM station now Gary. As you know, FM back in nineteen sixty six was like a background music thing. AM was the big deal and if you want to really wanted to be on a big station, you had to be on an AM station like KCBQ, like KGB.

Like wl W.

You know. But I love those call letters man anyway, So I got a job at ANFM station on the weekends on Sunday because nobody wanted Nobody wants to work Sunday. So George Manning, who was working weekends at radio station KDO, where I made my little tapes for.

My bootleg station. Anyway, he said, how would you like to do Sunday morning at KPRI.

I said, I'd love that. So I was sixteen years old and I got my first job on the air Sunday morning playing jazz Frank Sinatra, Sergio Mendez and Brazil sixty six That's.

How I remember.

It was sixty six, and then of course we stopped down at eight o'clock. I did a children's radio show, which remember I've always wanted to be a children's show host sometime in my career, and I got that because I was I did Words of Poppin', which is a word game show for kids. Graw Hill own the show and that went for five years. And then I did the KUSI Kids Club with the cartoons and everything for

So what made you so interested in doing children's programming.

Well, you've got to realize we all have heroes. Frank Thompson was my radio hero, and Johnny downs was my television hero because my dad was Johnny Downes's engineer on that show Oh Wow.

And he was so good. He was so great.

Johnny Downs was and I talk about him in the book because Johnny and I were both in for an audition for this Words of Poppin' show and I walk in and I said, Johnny, are you here to audition? He said, yes, I am. I said, well, listen, I'm going to get out of here. You're going to do Words of Pop and I'm going to watch every Saturday. He said, you have just as much right to audition

Johnny was going to get the job.

I just knew it because he had the experience, and so I didn't hear from the people for like weeks.

All of a sudden I got a phone call.

From the producer, you got the job. I said, wait a minute, you got the wrong guy, Johnny Downs. You need to hire him. He said, no, you related more to the kids than Johnny did. And so I did that show for five years. And that story is also in the book.

What a Feather in Your Cap To actually supersede your childhood television host hero and take a job, that's an incredible time.

Well that's happened again because you know what when I got the job at Kate Earth one O one in Los Angeles. Uh, the real Don Steele we all remember there.

The real Don.

Steele's voice is used in the movie Once upon a Time in Hollywood.

I'm Burial dold Field.

Right, you know when when Brad Pitt gets in the car and he turns on the ignition, that's the ninety three k h J.

I'm Burial dolds Field.

There we go.

You know that that's his voice.

That's what.

So anyway, when he passed away, and he was one of my radio heroes, I loved the real Don Steele and Wolfman Jack. I became friends with Wolfman Jack.

But I only met the real Don Steele three.

Howl yeah when he passed away, Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Well, when he passed away, Frank, they had the memorial and Mike Phillips, the program director, was looking for somebody to succeed the real Don Steele. He told me this, He said, he closed the door of his office and he said a prayer, and he said, God, please help me find the right guy. And there was a whisper that came into his mind, shot Don domb and he called me and he hired me, and I was there for twenty years.

That's amazing.

Now, and you talk about what a couple of great radio legends to have, as you know, as friends and successors or whatever you succeed them, the real Don Steele and Wolfman Jack.

What was Robert like in person?

Robert was a good friend mine before I came to ca Earth. He was We used to watch sixty minutes, and we after the sixty minutes, we always used to, you know, talk about it after the show. I was so anyway, I guess I was out after sixty minutes one time and he called my house and my wife Linda entered the phone.

She said hello, and he says, yeah, this is R. W. Margan a shotgun there.

No he's not well tell him. Robert called and she said, okay, Bob.

No, no, Bob lives here. He hated to be called Bob. It was always Robert W. Morgan.

But anyway, No, he was a he was a good guy. He was he was firm, he was eccentric. H he but but to me he was a good guy. But some people aggravated him and and I guess he.

Got a wreck.

Well when I said Robert, I meant wolfman Jack as his real name was.

First name was Robert Smith, Bob Smith.

Yeah, oh yeah, but that's also in the book.

Uh.

By the way, my book has got happiness, but it's got ups and downs. Sure, there's some things in my life that happened that I'm not too proud of.

And uh uh my house got raided by the police. That's in the book. Uh. And it was because I did these tonight shows.

I built a tonight show, said way before Kramer and my garage and very professionally done, had a crew, and I had the Sheriff of San Diego County, the chief of police, and I played ed McMahon and so we did this show and it was a cult favorite of both departments.

After seven years, there was some murders.

That happened here in San Diego of prostitutes, and so they thought the police was going to, you know, defend their officers. They thought an officer killed this prostitute. So they took it away away from the local police department, and the state Attorney General formed a homicide task force.

And they raided my house. Gary And in the front.

Now I was doing the kids show over at KUSI at the end and the front. You know, I always wanted to be on the front page of the paper, above the fold. The headline was seven hundred and fifty tapes seized in murdered probe. Anyway, a lot of the reporters were coming out.

And you know, yeah by the way, yeah yeah.

Anyway, they Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rogers said that he one of the dead prostitutes was on the.

Show, and that was a lie.

So that's why they rated the house.

We got left.

We have two minutes, Tom, right around two minutes, and I want to hear about the Hollywood the Star and the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Shotgun Tom Kelly has a star, and radio people don't don't get radio people don't get stars.

No, they don't like giving them to radio people. But I had to wait for mine. But you know, Robert W. Morgan had a star, the real Don Steele had a star. So t Earth was really the radio station of the rock stars for disc jockeys. So anyway, I got rejected the first year, the second year, but then the third year I got my star, and I asked Stevie.

Wonder to beat my speaker, and he was there.

Along with Art Leveau and Johnny Mathis and my program director, Johnny Ka he was also a speaker, and thousands of people, I mean, maybe I shouldn't say thousands. Hundreds of people showed up, including radio's best friend Art Volo.

He was there to patcha there there you go, two mentions. Art got two mentions. That's perfect. The book is all I want to do is play the hits, and he has been doing it successfully and supersedingly successfully now for decades and decades and decades. The one and only Shotgun Tom Kelly from Sirius XM's sixties gold our guest on American History on the radio, and Tom It's been such a pleasure and I know we could go on like this for hours, but unfortunately.

Yeah we can't.

That's the time with.

Jarry, you are such a big time guy. I am just delighted to be on your show because you've had Pat Saint John, You've had flash Stelps, and now you've got me.

Thank you, Sank, thank you, thank you.

The shotgun On the nightcap, we continue of this nightcap from Monday, December fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Gary, Jeff and I got to tell you we got some sports for the out of sorts. And it was a terrible weekend for football fans like me and maybe like the wild Man. It was just not a great weekend of football in the NFL.

Or the Heisman's or you know.

The only bright light all weekend long to me, wild Man, was the fact that my dad's Navy beat the Army seventeen to sixteen. And even though they tried to lose that game. But my Lions, I mean, every one of the teams I root for let me down over the weekend. And I gotta tell you what, at this point in

Well, I think you're kind of Bengalized already. It's just the way I am talking.

Well that I became Bengalized when I became a Kansas City Chiefs fan seven years ago.

And even that didn't help me this weekend. It was a bad weekend.

If you're you know, you're fans of what you're talking about, especially here in Bengals Nation.

I mean that's yeah.

We had the you know, the big snow, the big snow, and the Bengals organization knew it was coming and they weren't prepared for it. Fans had to uh wait outside forever to get into the stadium because they didn't have enough ticket takers or security personnel of them miss almost the first quarter. Then they get into the stadium and they have the seats are not cleared with snow, which is a violation of NFL rules. But according to the NFL, the Bengals.

They cooperated. Well that you know, I'm not buying that. Well no, yeah, okay, hold on, Hold on a second.

The NFL, the shield as it is, controls everything that these teams do, from how much players are paid, the salary caps to what I mean. They have very strict rules in this membership, this thirty two member club. And how can the Bengals get away with skirting the rules of not cleaning the stadium seats and railings. They're supposed to do that.

Okay, Well, they came out and said the NFL came out and said that they they they kind of went by the policy, but they really did. Because there were so many seats that were just covered with snow. They would not allow fans in with cardboard. So the fans could put cardboard they could stand on, they keep their feet from freezing on the concrete. They confiscated the cardboard and it.

Was just a mess. Car's a mess.

And here's the thing, Gary, Jeff, they knew this snow was coming.

Okay, they knew the snow was coming. This wouldn't happen in Green Bay.

They had eleven hours to clean that stadium up, and they chose not to do it, not to take care of their season ticket holders. They had eleven hours. They could have got people from the jail to come down and clean, but they.

Don't want to pay those people.

They've got people to come in here and clean that stadium.

They didn't get.

People to do it well man.

And in Buffalo they get the fans out there, and they'll pay fans to come and clear the stadium because they are exactly they have to deal with that all the time in Buffalo. I mean, and it's not like it never snows here, and it's not like it's never below zero here.

I mean, this is not.

The coldest ever Bengals game that's been played, as you well know, mister Freezer Bowl, mister Ice Bowl. But uh, you know, it's it is absolutely when I saw the posts on social media in the aftermath of that game and the little girl is trying to see over the snow on the railing. When it's it's an NFL rule the teams have to have to find a way to

What was that about this?

Well, the stadium operations the completely botched it all by not having enough ticket takers and uh.

Security personnel to get people in.

Like I said, a lot of a lot of fans didn't get in until the end of the first quarter. Gary, Jeff, what the hell is with that? And then here's here's what really grubs my ass. You get the TV stations, all of them just kind of.

Like brushing it off, brushing this off.

If you're a season ticket holder, how many thousands of dollars that you're paying and you get treated like that, you know a lot I'm gonna say, enough is enough. And I know a lot of people right now. I'm telling you they're giving up their tickets. They've had enough, they've seen enough, they've had enough. You know, you don't treat people like that. I mean, it's just like, dude, does the Brown family really care about their fan base or their customers. It's obvious they don't. I mean we're

He's a stand up guy. He loves playing football.

You know, I'm not gonna Joe Burrow is not going anywhere, and again he's talking heads on natural television. They have no clue what's going on here in Cincinnati. You know, Joe Burrow is a loyal guy, and I'm sure behind the scenes because he's not gonna come out and publicis say that the Bengals need to do this and need to do that, but you can bet that his voice is going to be heard, and he's just frustrated. We're all frustrated, well, you know, from the ticket as to the security.

People, to maybe Mike Brown.

I guess he's frustrat but we're all frustrated over the season. And injuries, of course played a part of this. I mean, Trey Henson. They would not spend a ton of money. The guy played four games.

Yeah, not a good result, not a good return on your investment.

Uh.

Here's the thing, too, is that Joe Burrow just wants to win and the Bengals have not allowed him the proper tools with which to compliment his talent. I mean they've they've done things like signing and taking care of

Wild Man? All right?

So I was making the point that on my show Saturday morning, Moe Egger made the point that Joe Burrow, in his estimation, doesn't do anything unintentionally, and that whole tone and timbre of that press conference and the things that Joe Burrow imparted last week was had an intention of sending a message to the Bengals organization. And my question you is do you think they'll receive that message loud and clear going forward?

Well, they'd be crazy not to. You know, pay attention on Joe's.

Saying because he is the faith of the franchise that he's guaranteed I think two hundred and nine million dollars still on his contract. I mean, as the as Joe Burrow goes, the Bengals go.

You need what Joe.

When you see how Joe acts in the press conferences, he doesn't ever really he pauses before he says something. You know, he thinks stuff out because he's not gonna get you know, backed into a corner some stuff that he says no. And I hope that and I hope that when the season ends and then Joe sits down with the front office, that they listen to him. Not that he has every answer, but there are changes that have to be made, and one of them one of them.

Gary, Jeff, I'm just gonna put it to you this way.

Marvin Lewis, you know, straighten out this Bengals franchise got him to the playoffs, but his last three years they didn't make the playoffs. Zach Taylor came in here, but a new culture in the locker room, got rid of the knuckleheads. They won, they made the playoffs, but the last three years they have not made the playoffs. And what happened with Marvin Lewis he got fired, what happened with Zach Taylor?

Something's got a change. Bye by something's got a change, something has to change. Bye bye bye bye bye bye. Uh it wasn't lost on me. And I sent this to a couple of people. Maybe I sent it to you. Uh, the irony wasn't lost on me. That yesterday, on the sideline, as the Bengals are getting thoroughly thumped by Baltimore, Zach

I think the change might have I might have the ax might have fell with this so called shirt shirt inspired change?

On what was it? Fourth and four?

And they decided to throw a long pass to try to get the ball in between two defenders to josekeep throwing the ball deep?

Is but there's only fourth and four? Is that the best play you've got in your back pocket? Come on, man, you know I have no idea.

You know what.

Bengals fans are not only alone in their suffering and playing Monday morning quarterback and kind of ruing what happened over the weekend. I as a Kansas City Chiefs fan, uh am really really concerned about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, who was injured at the end of yesterday's loss.

The Chiefs, the chief when he went down.

The Chiefs being drummed out of the playoffs for the first time. Guys, this is the first time in what six years that they won't be in the AFC Championship Game.

Five or six years and like eleven years that haven't been in the playoffs.

Right exactly. So it is a sad day for Chiefs fans like me as well as for Bengal fans like you, and also my Detroit Lions. What has happened to the Lions here? I mean, they've had a lot of injuries. I know that. Have you been following that at all here and there?

But they had long injuries last year, especially towards the end of the season, and that caught up to him.

Yeah, that's what kept him out of the Super Bowl last year, and they may keep him out of the playoffs this year. It's not a lock that Detroit's gonna make it with that, with that NFC North the way it is and the Bears. Are you surprised with that Bears? Are you surprised about the Bears resurgence under Ben Johnson?

I've been shocked about the Bears. Nobody saw this, Yeah, nobody saw this. They just continue to, you know, get the job done.

Quietly, they really do.

And and green Bay, I mean, you know Green Bay and Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love. I just yesterday was just a weird day in the NFL. For me, it really was. And it's not like, not like I'm I'm a fan of the Cowboys, because I'm probably the farthest thing away from a fan of the Cowboys, but I've.

Never been a fan of the Cowboys.

On time the Cowboys lose, it's a great day, and it was great last night watching them lose.

But it was just, don't you agree, it was just a weird weekend in the NFL. There were some results. There were some results that really kind of left me scratching my head, going what's going on here? And let's turn our attention for a few minutes to the Heisman Award presentation. Neither one of us surprised at Fernando Mendoza wound up walking away with the trophy. My man, Diego Pavia came in second in the voting, and you know, I was kind of hoping against hope that somehow he

Your thoughts on that, well, there's no doubt in my mind that Fernando Mendoza was the logical choice, the number one in the country, undefeated.

Guy.

The guy's a winner. I mean the guy as a winner. You look at this up bringing too. Have you saw his speech? It was like, you know, it was it was a great, great, great speech.

No, I think I think he's I think he's awesome. Okay, go ahead, and he's well deserved.

And then Diego Pavia, I mean the numbers he put up, what he did at Vanderbilt, because they're not known to be a football power. Either's Indiana, but the Vanderbilt's kind of like always been down on the lower and down on the totem pole. But the Diego Pavia, I mean, he'll use this to to be, you know, to be a better quarterback in the National Football League. The thing about Diego Pavia, you know, and he finished second whatever that's for.

But he got a case of the gouabat it.

And he should have kept his mouth shut because that that that, you know, that's just kind of like, well, you're a sore loser if you're gonna be complaining about that.

I didn't he didn't come back down that apologized. I didn't. I didn't see I didn't see what he said. What did he say? Initially? I can't really explain.

I I just there wasn't it wasn't pretty and he dropped I think an m bomb uh about the voters. So it wasn't it wasn't pretty. But he after twenty four hours and he issued an apology and said, I, you know, I overstepped my bath. I shouldn't you know, I should have realized you know that I should have done this, and you know, like accept my apology.

I accept as apology, he manned up. Okay, that's all you can ask for, right right.

Well, I mean, once you start getting the backlash, you either you either double down or you you take it back, and you you know, you choose that which hill you want to die on there?

Uh.

I don't know about.

Diego Pobby at the next level because he's so short, wild man. I talked to my friend Scott Droud, who of course famously played basketball at Vanderbilt and was a great player there and has been to about uh went to about five home games this year because he's got a nephew that's a second string kicker on the Vandy squad. So he went to about five home games and he said he's been right next to Diego Pabby and Scott's

Well, then he goes to the Canadian Football League where you can make up make a living and prove what he can play in that way playing it at that level aka Doug Flute.

He could do that.

I think he's a good enough football player. He could play almost any position in the NFL outside of alignment or quarterback, and you know what, he'd be great. He would be great to have as a special teams player a running back because he can run.

He can roll right through people. He proved that.

And you have a ready made second string quarterback ready to go in case your starter goes down. So any number of NFL teams might like to have a Diego Pavia on the ross.

Unlike the Kansas City Chiefs who ran out there, yeah yesterday, Minshew, Oh my god, Gardner, Minshew.

That's the best they can find. Well, it was the best. It was the best mustache they could find. I'll give you that.

Yeah, yeah, all right, wild I think we've covered all the bases. So Joe Burrow isn't going anywhere. Joe Burrow was not going any Zaza is Zach Taylor packing up the moving van.

The season.

I would say, I would say, he means he probably needs to call two men in a truck and see how much it's gonna cost. Maybe maybe maybe to move because.

Something's gonna happen here.

I know something's There's got to be some change, not only with the personnel but in the front office because Zach Taylor is not cutting it and the fan and the fans don't like it either. Yeah, well like and don't ask me who I you know who I want this head coach?

I wrote?

I mean I think about I'm thinking, well, they're going to make a change. Do we bring in an established coach or they're bringing a guy who's never head coach?

Well?

Ever, hed gone down that road? Yeah, every gone down down road with Zach Taylor.

So are you bringing a guy that's been a previous head coach like Mike McCarthy? Maybe maybe bringing John Maybe.

Maybe the Bengals will follow the advice on Zach Taylor's sweatshirt on the sidelines yesterday.

And inspire change. Inspire change?

How many people and went out and bought those shirts?

Wild man? Uh see in church? Merry Christmas? Talk to you start without me if I'm not.

There, Okay, you bet we'll be going for a long time without wild Man there, I'm afraid. Merry Christmas to you, thanks for putting up with his on the nightcap. And now we end tonight's show as we do all of these shows that I host, by playing our national anthem, the only national anthem of the United States of America, the Star Spangled Banner to honor America on seven hundred w l W