Mike Allen Saturday Mid-Day -- 10/25/25

It was Radio seven hundred WW Mike Allen and Saturday Midday a little Chili Saturday morning. Well, the violent crime beat goes on in the city of Cincinnati. I'm sure you probably heard about this already after the Bengals Steelers game last Thursday night, right outside of the in Between Bar, which is at Sycamore and Third Street.

I'll tell you what you know.

I used to live downtown and went down there, you know, for games and things a lot, and there are always people outside of that place. It's just a pretty low key bar. Anyway, this shooting took place right at the end between bar. It's Sycamore and Third Street. This wasn't your normal shooting. This man, the decedent, was shot twenty three times. Twenty three times. Of course he's dead. You're

Here's the problem.

The minute a Cincinnati police officer looks the wrong way or says the wrong thing to a suspect, that officer is then in the jackpot and he will get no backing from the administration or the mayor whatsoever. And you know what, if you don't believe me, go out and ask a street cop if they're friends, and you know,

That's the problem.

And you know they're not going to get any backing from the administration. You know, they'll be on their own, except for, thank goodness, the FOP who defends those officers. And you know this is because the mayor who is in the city manager, who are creatures of politics, they have to appease certain elements of their can constituency who, let's just be honest about it, don't like or trust cops. They don't want cops who are tough on crime. They

The system worked fine.

But then we had Issue five, and boy, a lot of people and I was involved in it too.

I was prosecutor at the time.

A lot of people worked really hard on that campaign because those who have any experience in this city and in the criminal justice system knew at some point, at some point and were at some point now in the year twenty twenty five, it was going to be a disaster. So anyway, they you know, they had this thing, they had the election, it barely won. Let me give you a little context here for Issue five.

And This is from AI.

And you know, I look at these things before I talk about them, and this is accurate, and most of the stuff that I research on AI is accurate. Just give me a second here. I want to make sure people understand what it was, Okay, according to AI. After voter approval of Cincinnati's Issue five in two thousand and one,

Well, they got half of that right.

It did make it more difficult for politicians to get rid of the police chief shift in authority. Before issue five, the police chief was selected through a civil service process and their employment was protected. After Issue five passed, the authority to appoint and remove the chief was consolidated under the city manager, and of course that means the mayor. So that's the deal with Issue five. You know, Issue five. I said it at the time. I believe it now

That we know what, well maybe we will.

Start enforcing these smaller offenses. And again, we were unique in that regard, unique in a good way. It worked well for many, many, many years. I think it goes all the way back to the twenties and the reform movement at Charter, the Charter Party started in Cincinnati.

We were different and different for a good reason.

Now, I remember Chief Striker not putting up with any crap like this from the city manager or the mayor. And those of you that know Larry wal and know that he was the same way. He wasn't going to inject Those two guys were not going to have politics injected to their job. You know, they knew they had civil service protection. And you know, before five a person

It was a merit based promotion situation.

It was based on competence, period And really, credibly, you can argue all you want, but who can credibly argue that that's not a good thing. Well, let's fast forward to twenty twenty five. You know, you got a Democrat mayor Democrat council, no Republicans to be found anywhere, and now you have the mayor dictating how CPD conducts its business two weeks before the election. And is that a good thing for the city of Cincinnati. I'll know it's

You know, there's a mayor's election coming up in November. We all know that, so.

The mayor needs to appear tough on crime, which is out of control, as I think we all know in this country. So what does he do out of nowhere? They put her on the chief Chief Fiji on administrative leave and let her twist in the wind. I guess they figure she's collateral damage to the mayor's political future. She has no civil service protection and it's just not right. And we also heard this week that the city is looking for maybe they found him a law firm to

So what can we do.

The obvious thing is to repeal Issue five and give the civil service protection back like we had for so many years before two thousand and one. But that's easier said than done. It looks like the police are ready for it based upon what they're doing the FOP and again we're going to talk to Ken Kober at eleven thirty.

It's here now. So they need to stop.

Scapegoating the chief of police and give the chief, not only chief of police, fire chief two their civil service protection back. What is such a big deal about that? And that is the only way that you're going to correct this nonsense anyway, That's what I think. As always, I want to know what you think. Seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred, The big one are the numbers. Mike Allen Saturday midday.

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Wait mate, to give me a second.

Let's talk to Barry in Miamisburg. Please, Hey, Barry, how you doing?

Man?

Good morning, Good morning?

What you got.

I'm good, okay, I'm here.

I don't know much about this issue fact that you were talking about. I wasn't going to comment on it. I just want to comment on You know, from the normal person's perspective, you have the police force. You have the police chief, and then you have the city council clowns, and then you have the mayor and the judges. You know, the problem isn't with the police force. It does not appear to be with the police chief, who was only doing what the clowns and the judges told her to do.

Well, you know what, I think you're essentially right about that, Barry Buck. The judges they don't really have anything to do with you know, police procedure, But they have a heck of a lot to do once the case gets in their courtroom, they have a heck.

Of a lot to do.

As you say about does this criminal go to jail or does he get out of jail in.

Five hours or less?

Yeah, they have the ultimate say in that.

So you know, they're just as much a part of the problem as in the case of where you know, some guy who's been arrested twelve times decides to shoot somebody. You know, why wasn't this clown in jail?

Those are legit questions, And boy, you're hearing him more and more. You've always heard those questions, but you're sure hearing them more and more in this county. And you know, I mean, you have to look at each individual judge, but it's not what it used to be down there at the Hamilton County Courthouse.

I can tell you.

That she said in every county in the state, right, Yeah, you're right.

You're right to live.

Un Summery County, which is pretty much the same thing.

Yeah, that's what I've heard. It's just a bad situation.

You do not want and or need politicians running the gosh darn police department.

It's just stupid. It makes no sense.

What makes political sense if you figure out why they want to do it. But as far as public safety, you know, let the chief run the department and stay out of his damn way unless he's doing something completely egregious or illegal. It worked pretty darn good in this city for a lot of years, and then we changed it in two thousand and one.

You know, I am sure.

The case where somebody got shot over.

Twenty times, yeah, twenty three.

Sir, this was not his first go round.

I didn't look at his record, but I would venture to get well, he was on probation for something, so you know, I didn't look at his record, but I wasn't surprised.

I'm sorry. Why wasn't this cat in jail where he belongs?

Good question.

You know, I don't know what the situation with that case was, that he violated his probation and got put on what they called the box. But my guess is he's a frequent flyer. But I don't know that for a fact because I didn't look at his record.

All right, Well, thank you and having my say.

Okay, Berry, thank you so much.

Yeah, you know, my guess is you shoot somebody twenty three times, you're somewhat of a depraved mind, I would think, and it it's probably a pretty healthy criminal record. But again I can't say for sure because I didn't look. Didn't they have time? Hey, let's talk to Jay in Centerville. Hello, Jay, how are you?

Hey?

Mike?

How are you good? What you got?

Hey?

I don't spend I don't spend all my time in Centerville. I spent a tremendous amount of time in downtown Cincinnati and over the Rhye. My girlfriend lives in Clifton. We get out and enjoy and enjoy everything the city has to offer. You and I have talked before. I spent twenty years in Portland. Yes, and I see so many parallels between what happened in Portland ten years ago to what's going on in Cincinnati now. If people don't get out and vote, they're going to have another Portland here

There as well.

So if you don't get out and vote, I don't care if Corey Bowman is jd Vance's brother or not. Really, if you don't get out there and vote for change, this is what you have coming. And I can promise you it's not good. We have a great city. I was born in Cincinnati, raised in Dayton. Half my time down here, and I'm scared.

I can't. I see it was the two time mayor of Portland. He is apt to have purball, just in a different different suit.

Well you know what a lot of people are thinking that, Jay, Let me ask you something.

I mean, you know you know about Portland.

Why aren't the voters rebelling and not getting new people in there.

Do they just not care?

I mean, it's hard to believe that they would wouldn't care, but it's it's it's really a mystery to me.

Why don't they do something about it.

Port of Cincinnati are a lot alike in size, So you have the core of Portland, which is a fairly small population. They are so heavily vested in being Democrats and being anti Republican that they would vote their own demise. And because the suburban areas can't vote in Portland elections, it just continues on and on. Like the last mayor,

That was it.

Nobody else opposed him, so he won again even though he was a complete and total failure. And people have to look at Purvol he's only making moves, like you said right now, to appease people so he can get re elected. This guy doesn't care about the city, he doesn't care about law enforcement, he doesn't care about safety, and he's only doing this to trick you into voting for him.

Again.

He's a piece of garbage and people need to go out and vote against him or we're going to see this city turning into Portland. That would be sad.

We have.

I travel all over the world, Mike. There's not a place I know like Cincinnati for night life and things.

It's great.

It's unbelievable to go in the toilet, you know, and.

You know you're right, and I live down there for about twelve years. It is a jewel. It is a gem. People don't realize what we have down there, and the quickest way to watch it go to pot is by having unbridled crime down there.

But hey, I appreciate the call. It is a great call.

Hey, Mike, one real quick question. So you ever noticed the bear always says feel safe. He doesn't talk about actual safety. He talks about feelings. I didn't know to drive people away. The safety doesn't talk about purple feelings are going to drive people away, But the reality is they are not safe.

I hear you, No, I hear you.

Thank you, Mike.

Okay, I appreciate the call. That was a good call, you know, And like I asked, him in Portland. Why do the people that live in that city tolerated. I mean, you know, you would think that they'd say, hey, I don't want this in my city. I'm going to vote for somebody else. Not necessarily Republican. That would be probably too much to ask there, but at least a Democrat. And there are some of them out there. Some of them are running this time out, not indorsed, but Democrats.

I don't get Portland.

The one thing I do get, though, is I don't want Cincinnati to turn into Portland. I don't think anybody does. Hey, who's up next. Let's talk to Bobby. Hey, good morning, Bobby.

Hey, my call you.

Will yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey.

I just wanted to tell you thanks for taking my call, and you are a true voice for the common.

Man, my friend.

Thank you, Thank you, Bobby.

I can sum up a lot of things on previous callers and ones that are coming up, and it's unfortunate to say that is things aren't gonna change in Cincinnati. The Democratic machine is well oiled. And I tell you what, if you look around from all the different things from who is giving the decision making process and who's counseling the mayor city manager. It's the only thing changing in Cincinnati is one thing, the speed of the fan, because they keep ex.

When we already know what that is. Yep, you know.

And I'll give you another example, Ahad the miners and stuff. They're going on about how the children were causing all the problems and they were gonna have holding facilities and do all these things.

How many have they ever held none?

I have no idea. I don't know what they did with that, Bobby nothing.

And they do that with everything else.

They do nothing.

You know what, I've said it a million times.

I'm probably gonna say it about a million five before this day is over.

It's very very simple.

You want to get a handle on crime, you turn the cops loose, You let them be proactive, You let them police aggressively, appropriately and legally and constitutionally aggressive. That's the only way it's going to work. And we haven't had that in this city for a long long time.

No we haven't.

And I tell you what, you have to run it almost like an insurgency operation. Let the police do their job. Because if you eliminate a problem, you don't have to worry about the prosecutors and judges because there won't be a problem.

No, you're right.

I have to get to the root cause of all the problems and eliminate them.

Well, it's it.

I ain't hold my breath, but I'll do everything that I can do in my limited power to make some change down there. They need to go back to the old system where the chief of police and the fire chief too are not pawns on a chess table of the the city government, the manager, the mayor, et cetera. Give them civil service protection back. And we had some darn good chiefs under that system. But we shall see. I appreciate the call.

Bobby, thank you, my friend.

Okay, you know, and again that is the only way it's going to change.

Go back to the way it was in the late eighties, early to mid nineties, where you turn them loose. You know, you say, guys go and girls go out there, be aggressive, be proactive. Hey, and if you screw up on a minor mistake or something of that nature, we are going to back you. That's what's missing, and that's just not Mike Gallon saying that that's a lot of current CPD guys and gals that can't say it. You know, they just can't because of their job. Hey, let's talk to

Man?

Hey Mike.

This is from the rective of somebody who doesn't live in Hamilton County but visits Cincinnati fairly frequently. I listened to your news, read your newspaper, listen to your w l w UH, listen watch the mayor debate, and uh, you know, I I I can't believe that the voters continue to keep this empty suit that you have in the mayor's office in the office. It's just hard to believe. It's like we're punishment or something. I don't know what

I don't know.

I mean, and hiring a law firm to do it to the tune of you know, it's going to be in the millions of dollars. I would certainly for what I mean, for what it's just a stunt two weeks before election day.

I guess, I don't know.

Act like they're doing something, but but you know what's what's it, couldn't believe it, this man, this that I believe your police chief was out of the conference when she got immediately called back the city. And then you have this idiot pureval who's who was there the day that that that July incident downtown happened and uh and still left the city anyway, and then you didn't and then this this whole scale, this kind of situation developed over the weekend and you didn't hear from him for

Sometimes you got to do that. NA say, we're bumping up against the news, but I sure appreciate your point of view as always, thanks for calling.

Okay, okay, you know, and as.

I said before during the rant, I don't know the moves that he's making. Perhaps there is some polling somewhere that says that Corey Bowman is in it, and he's competitive. That guy listened to him. I mean, he's done his homework. He's just not a name that the Republican Party threw up there. This guy's working it and working hard. But having said all that, the city of Cincinnati is a tough tough nut for Republicans or independence for that matter.

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Tell you what.

Like I said, I've been looking forward to this segment. We have in studio here quite a few of the Neville family, but the person that wants to speak is Russ Neville.

A just a long career in law enforcement.

All of the Neville's do, and I've got a list here, but we'd take up too much time, I think if we did that, but the premiere I would say law enforcement family. And I'm not just saying that in Hamilton County. Russ, thanks for coming up today. Thank you, sir okay for having us just start out? What do you want to say? What do you want people to know about your sister Chief Fiji?

First and foremost, I want them to know that she's huh, dedicated, passionate, cares about the members of the organization and the community. Yeah, talk to Terry regularly or for the years, but most specifically the last two or three years during her role, and every conversation came back to the community and the needs and the way to get it done and how do we maintain the dignity of the officers and support them. Every single conversation, regardless of other topics, came back to that.

I don't doubt that she what thirty four years.

I think I believe she has thirty five years. Thirty five years, and every bit of it, every single moment of it was done with what she felt was right and best and it was always fair. You never have everybody agreeing with every decision you make, right and management, which you get, you're going to have detractors. You're going to have those that you cross paths with and you know your decision impacts them in a negative way, usually because of their conduct or behavior. But that's the reality

Yep.

And that's probably the best thing I can say is she is a combination, and she manages it all. She manages it all maturely and confidently. And I'm not going to kid that there's not times it's a struggle, I can imagine, but she every single time overcomes the struggle and she fights forward. And she loves her children, her grandchildren, and she loves the members of this department. And she loves providing service to the community. That's what I say about Terry.

It's a family, wouldn't you agree?

I mean police officers in general, especially Cincinnati police officers.

It sures seems to me it's a family.

So within a family, have disagreements, Yeah, and you handle disagreements with dignity and respect and communication. And I will say right here and now, while we're talking specifically Terry and I have other topics to cover. The mayor and the manager and I've achieved that. They haven't even come close to achieving that. No allowance of dignity, not at all. No showing of respect, no, and no proper management of where this has gone. We don't even know where it came from. Time will tell.

Let me ask you.

You said you have some other things that you'd like to cover your microphone man, what would you like to say?

I'd like to say that this isn't about the nevils. This is not about the Novill legacy. We're proud of it. You shouldn't. The majority of us have moved on to other elements of life and we enjoy it. This is about Terry Thiji, the future of the Cincinnati Police Department, and those that may want to sit in that seat later. This is about offering to every one of your listeners. If I don't care, let me cover a point here. Absolutely, we're a family of about ninety. Of that ninety about

Right.

I don't care if you're a Democrat, an Independent, or a Republican. That is conversation I've had time and time again over the last week plus with people in each of those parties. I have friends in each of the parties. It's irrelevant what party you've belonged to or how you vote. This man should not be able to do what he's attempting to do to her or anybody in the future. And the only way to address that, as we speak to your listeners is vote exactly we say it time

City elections. Yeah, it's always been low. So think about this, listeners. If you.

Believe the Chiefdiji is being scapegoaded, poorly treated, they're stripping ver dignating or respect, vote vote for whoever you care for, Vote for whatever council member you care for, Do not vote for that mayor. Go and vote, and if we can get twenty five thirty thirty five percent of those registered voters who believe in what we are sharing.

Right now, we can.

Get new leadership in the city and then we can get into the Issue five and the other topics. Now I get that, but these items have to be covered first. So obviously we got more to talk about. But that's my response to your question.

Let me ask you this, if you care to address it Issue five, you know what it is.

I know what it is.

We all do when it happened, I said at the time, and I'm not toot my own horn because I was right.

It's a bad, bad, bad idea to.

Take civil service protection away from the chief of police, the fire chief too, but especially the chief of police. It looks like the FOP and we're going to talk to Ken Kobra at eleven thirty. It's like the fop's going to take that on your thoughts on that, because I truly believe this, I really do. If Issue five had not passed, we and your sister would not be in this situation.

Well, not only that, we probably wouldn't be at the point of a new chief right now right counting Terry, others would possibly be in that seat that weren't negatively impact by the political influence. That's a speculation, but it's a educated speculation. As I was there, retired in twenty one, thirty four years, so I had the opportunity to see it. On that line, I'll let Kenny Coober speak on behalf

I don't get that.

It's a gross misuse of resources. And the constituents of the City of Cincinnati deserve better management and oversight of their dollars, and they need better decisions. And I place every bit of that at the foot of the mayor and the city manager. So do with it what you want. As a voter, It's not for me to say right, for us to say right.

I'm assuming that your sister wants to stay on the job. Is that a true and accurate statement or can you say if you don't want to speak for that's fine, But I'm just assuming that or she wouldn't be going.

Through all this.

I am not going to speak on behalf of Tarry, on our future. And there are elements, Mike, of matters that I will refrain from discussing because that is in the hands of the lawyer, and we put our faith in confidence in mister.

M He's a hell of a good lawyer from a great law firm, the Finny Law Firm.

M I just think this it borders on in humane.

What really does It's unprofessional and it's not dignified for someone who is the chief of police of a major city police department. If you haven't figured it out, it pisses me off. It's not right.

And I want to emphasize I appreciate our family, appreciates Terry's supporters, appreciate you having us in allowing us a voice. It's deeper than Chief thej It's deeper than Terry Thiji. This is about more than Terry. It's about the proper way to manage an organization, and it's about the future of those who may want that seat going forward, Who wants to work for a organization city that treats people this way.

Exactly exactly, you know, I got to ask you this. I ask every veteran police officer that I talked to, and some of the ones on the street, who, of course can't be public about it. I remember back in the days I was in the city Prosecutor's office from like nineteen eighty five to nineteen ninety and then a couple of years after that municipal court judged for three years. Those municipal court courtrooms were popped to the gills with police officers in the jury boxes out in the hall.

I mean, that's just my point.

And you know I don't go down to court anymore I'm retired, recently retired. There's not like half the cases there are down there anymore because I don't think that the street people cops are doing anything.

And I don't blame them one I owe for that.

I don't. They want to go home. They want to you know, be able to take care of their family. So that's a long question, I.

Guess, yeah, I it is a very long question that covers a range of topics. It would take more time than we have today to discuss. I'm right, sious, But what I will say is the officers continue to want to do the job. They continue to want to be PROAGNI granted I've been going four years, but based on my conversations with Terry and others that I still have contact with the desires there. The problem is clearly with the lack of support and partnership with the courts and

Fear to them.

The other potential offenders see it and it takes away any fear for them to get incarcerated. So it's such a deeper issue, and that goes back to the vote. But I'll be really honest with you, that's a long term problem solving effort.

It is.

The reality here is it's the mayor that that, to me is the topic at hand right now. And if you believe new leadership is beneficial and necessary in the city, vote think it through, Think it through, think it through, and realize that this is not what's best for your communities. This stuff all came about. Let me make a point. Sure this stuff all came about. They can hide from it, but it came about from the fact of an increase

Of him regarding the other communities.

Why would you want to vote him in If his true focus is soling in the central business district, which is important, which is the hub, which is where the majority of.

The money is to come into the city come in.

Because of various events, don't you think he should have equal passion and concern about the other communities. One would think, well, I don't see it. I didn't see it, and I hope the voters recognize it. Give somebody else an opportunity, think, think past your.

Comfort zone as a voter.

Give somebody else an opportunity to come in and focus on the entire city. Focus in working with the council and with a manager. Instead of dictating.

No, I got you.

Hey, we got about a minute and a half left, RUSSA, I'm gonna give it to you. What would you like to say in summary? The first one want to say, thanks, Well, it's my pleasure and my privilege.

Second, I want to say technology is not my area by any stretching. It knows me too, So we're fortunate to have nieces nephews that are on board with all of this and support Terry as much as any of us sitting in this room. We got some shirts and we got some signs. Shirt reads I stand with Police. I like it, Chiefdiji. The signs read the same. Some family members, the younger ones, developed a Facebook page. I

Okay, please communicate through it.

One of the younger nieces and nephews will manage it and communicate back, and then the Facebook again, I don't do it. I just know that it's I stand with Police Chief Fiji. Facebook page should be easy to find way back and off and my brother Rick and Mike we talked a lot through this, and Rick brought it up the other day and he said, flat out, Dad taught us, don't start a fight, but one's one started.

One pushed on you finish it. We're finishing.

This doesn't surprise me at all. Giving your guys background and your father, who I admired a lot, I really appreciate this. This is helpful. People need to hear this, Russ, and definitely want to have you back at some point.

Can you cover Mike at some point today? The voting I did have a note in here about the voting is on. When the hours are you still go to early vote, and please if you haven't voted in years, check and make see if you're still eligible.

Absolutely get online check it.

I've got Christopher Smithman coming on at eleven and he's got all that stuff down.

Pat.

So all right, again, I really appreciate it, and you know, anything else comes up, just give me a call.

You'll be hearing.

Okay, all right, all right, we got to take a break for the news, but we will be back. Mike Allen Saturday midday.

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Ford Saturday midday. I wanted to thank my last guest, Russ Neville. I'll tell you that's a perspective that you're not going to get anywhere else. And you know, one of the things he said that is that his sister, the police chief Chief Fiji, should be treated with dignity. And that is just so true. Everybody needs to be treated with dignity, but especially someone who's put thirty three, thirty four years into a job and has risen to

You just don't do it.

But I really appreciate him coming up and giving it to us from his perspective. I'm going to get back to the phones here. I promise one other thing I'd like to do. Went to a retirement party yesterday for a great man, talking about Danny Cott. He spent sixty excuse me not that may twenty seven years with the Cincinnati Police Department. Retired all the way back in two thousand and two, then twenty years with Rumky. He was

Good morning, Mike Allen, and thank you so much for your show. I learned so much important information.

Thank you.

This is just a yes, sir. This is just a quick, small, little scenario, an anecdote that occurred when I was walking to the hardware store one morning, a little local one of our beautiful neighborhoods. And I'm walking up the curb across the parking lot and I see a tall, handsome man standing right at the curb, beautifully dressed, and I realize, oh, my goodness, that is our mayor. Well, I walk past him and I say good morning, mister mayor, you know,

Out a grunt.

He says ugh.

Wow, and all I proceed.

On into the hardware store, and Mike Allan, this is a perfect example of that non mayor that we have been stuck with. He does not love Cincinnati, and he has contempt for its citizens. The beautiful man you had on just previously, as well as some of your other callers this morning, talk about the love of Cincinnati, and there is not an out. He does not love us. Can you imagine I'm a man or John Cranleigh if you said good morning, mister Smithman, that beautiful gentleman, would he grunt?

I don't stop and talk to you?

Can imagine Bobby Stern, any of the malories. I can go down the whole long list of leadership in this beautiful city since I have been here for fifty years. Man, And now we're stuck with this message.

Well, you know what, I always kind of gave him credit for being a good politician, But boy, that's just not It's first of all, it's just right. See if a voter acknowledges anybody acknowledges you, how.

Hard cameras Mike Allen, no one's watching. All it is is one citizen. He may as well have spipped. So I just think it's a perfect characterization of Purvoal does not love Cincinnati. And we've got a vote for someone who does love Cincinnati. And we know that's Corey Bowman because he's he lived in the city with the Cincinnatians, and I just had to say that because I love this city and I hate to see what's happening. God, bless you for telling the true stories.

I thank you.

I appreciate it, and thank you for your story too. I appreciate that.

Okay, good luck, Mikeelant, thank you, bye bye.

Yeah.

I don't get that. I mean, it's just I don't know that's manners one oh one. You would think, hey, let's talk to Lisa. Hey, good morning, Lisa, Hey, my what you got?

Okay? So my thing with the firing or the police Keith, it was so off, you know, and it was like the gentleman's dad. They were looking for a scapegoat, you know. And I say that they should not have even approached that, you know, a fire trying to fire her and get rid of her however it is they want to do.

But I am old school.

Everything begins at home. If the children were raised by parents, you know, by adults, and the way that the children are acting behaving today is it's horrible, you know. You got some of the parents are scared of their own children. They are scared to discipline their own children. And some of the children they are literally raising themselves. So I believe a lot of the problems not just in Cincinnati,

Thank you, thank.

You, Lisa, you know, and she is so right. And fifty one years in the criminal justice system, you see that in spades. I mean, you know, young people getting in trouble, juveniles, no family over seeing them almost all not I shouldn't say many times no father and the parents do have to do their jobs. And that's relevant to what's going on in Cincinnati too. I mean, you know, I think CPD has done a pretty good job on it, especially recently. You know where these kids are roaming around

Hey, good morning, Mike, Hey Mike.

Yes, sir, thank you you too.

I'd like to say that the first thing is is anybody that becomes a police officer is trying to give back to their country.

This is about taking our society what it is.

Without police officers are crumbles and when they need more police for they need more police officers on the street, and and they have to get them.

That's the key.

And when you said.

Where are the parents of those kids?

Some of those parents might be working nights that take care of them.

And I think it's a society.

We got to change how.

We think about a lot of things, and if we don't, we're going to crumble. You know, you have the military that's risking their lives, the police, the fire department, those people are doing that, and in a split second we judge them on things that happened that you know what I mean. I wish, I hope I'm not judged like a police officer on some small mistake, which in the situation could be something that's.

Very, very bad. But I have a split second.

To think about this, and we're so easy and quipped to judge them, and I just want to say that we've got to change it. And Mike, I know you probably don't want to hear this, but every person gets arrested should be drug tested. We need these people to become workers and part of our society and not a retating criminal.

We should make him do some sort of rehab.

They should be out cleaning roads, and then we should try and work with younger people to try and get them to.

Become people that we know they can be.

And right now on.

Our society, we just don't have that. We don't and it's got to change. It's got to change. And Republicans and Democrats, just.

Like right now, I heard an FBI agent had to took the part time job because he's not getting paid. Why we have our congressional people getting paid while this young gentleman had to take a second job just to make sure he can support his family.

While we're sitting here with our thumbs up our.

Butt No, I hear you.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

I'll tell you what Mike said a lot of things that makes sense, but the one thing that hit me. He talked about we need to have rehabilitation, meaning treatment for people that are dependent upon drugs. I could not agree with that more. I'll tell you you go down down there to the jail, and by the way, Sheriff McGuffey has that great program down there that helps along those lines, and the people that have done at the

You know, they made the decision to you know, get into drugs.

Screw him. And that's not a number one, it's just not right. Number two, it doesn't make sense. So I'm all about rehab, and he brought that up. So I wanted to pontificate if you will. Hey, we still got some time here, how's about let me talk to Dan and chevyot Hello?

Dan, Hey, Mike, what's going on?

Hey?

I wanted to give a shout out to that gentleman, dam you want to retirement Barty?

Yeah, Danny, Well, he came in shopping for his daughter about four or five years back, and he just you know, it's just a.

Regular dude, and he was real nice to talk to him, friendly, and at the end he asked if he could talk to the supervisor and gave me some kind words, and then he actually went back to work and on like a full rum key letterhead and envelope sent a personal letter of recommendation for me.

Wow.

They thought it was a rumpky bill, so they threw it on the operations manager's death and then like four or five days later they open it and go, well, this isn't just a bill. So they scanned it and sent it to my home office and it actually got my fifth out of sixth Stoll for Customer Service Awards. Yes, and I keep that in case I ever need another job, because he gave me some kind words. So I just wanted to give a shout out to him since.

He helped me.

I appreciate that. Dan, thank you. That's very kind.

And you know, those that know him Dan Cott that that doesn't surprise me at all. That's just kind of the guy he is. But I really appreciate him sharing that. You know, a guy goes twenty seven years in the police department, twenty more years with rumky. I think he's serving his community. Well, okay, let's see how's about Steve. Steve is an Aldegrand. I don't know why I didn't get him first. Hello, Steve, are you there?

My elder in nineteen seventy.

Four, Me too, buddy, You were one of them smart guys.

Well, yeah, I'll take it, but it's not not really accurate.

But anyway, what you got.

For me my question. The house I moved into in nineteen eighty seven, the city put a tree out in front of the sidewalk at the street. At the curb. The tree is like two and a half feet for my sidewalk. All I did was dig a hole, drop it in and say see you later. You know, thirty some years later, the sidewalks.

On tour up. O. Yeah, pushing it up.

My thing is, can I take them to small Claims Court and go after negligence the three elements of negligence that have proof from other arborist. Sure, the tree that's going to grow fifty foot tall two feet from the sidewalk in front of your house, and argue that it's not maintenance. They say it's maintenance, it's negligence.

Yep, I hear you. And here's what you do.

You will need an arborist, I think, to give an opinion, whether that would be through testimony or through an affidavit or something like that. Small Claims Court is set up for people not to have lawyers, and I haven't had a lot of contact with it through the years. But the contact I've had, I think they do an amazing job of kind of sorting those things out.

I would give it a shot.

I think, I think I might be wrong, but I think the money limit in small claims is twenty five thousand. I haven't looked at it in a while, but it sounds to me like you got a good case.

The cost to remove tree, let's say it's a thousand dollars each slab that damn me is eight hundred bucks, so you know we're way under that.

Yeah, that's what you do. It's easy to It's easy to do that in small club.

Do I have to serve them with the with the paperwork?

Well, actually the I think the clerk will do that. If I'm not, I.

Don't have to like serve them. Okay, now, all.

Right, well, good, good luck with it?

All right, I'll let you know.

Okay, thanks Steve, all right, thank you, sir. Okay, got time I think for at least one more. Let me talk to uh Ransom.

How you doing?

Are?

Ransom and Mike spent a couple of minutes vin since we talk last yeally many I've just been a listen to all the callers and everything I wanted to. I know you got a lot of Christian people that listen to your program on Saturdays. And about ten months ago, I tried to start a group called Primary USA that would get Grant's roots effort to hold local, state, and federal politicians accountable to the will of the people kind of lines up everything You've talked about for you and

That's pretty impressive. Unfortunately, I'm running out of time here, but.

I appreciate you taking play for me. I appreciate you man, absolutely.

Okay, thank you bye bye.

Uh.

I'm sorry. We all are out of time. I'm not able to get to all the calls. I hate when that happens. Call back next week, please, Hey, we got to take a break. But when we get back, we're going to talk to Christopher Smithman. Something tells me he's going to have an opinion on all this stuff with the City of Cincinnati. And we'll talk to Christopher when we get back. Mike Allen Saturday Midday.

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Thank you, Mike. I so appreciate you having me on, and I've been listening to your show.

And let me.

Give a shout out to Captain Neville, who he was a great police officer and servant like his sister Chickspiji. What a wonderful family, and you've done a beautiful job of making it clear to your listening audience. Tell you, the most riveting thing that I heard, the most riveting thing that I heard this morning was the citizen who called in and said she had this this bad interaction with our mayor kind of stummed it up. For me, right, Like it's like a detail, but that detail is really

Oh is that realbody?

Nobody talked about it on the floor council. There was literally no discussion, like it never happened.

It's like they don't know what they're doing. I mean you probably, I'm sure you saw it, Christopher. The mayor comes out then and so so now wait a minute, wait a minute. I am going to instruct the police department to start focusing on these small crimes, which is really what should have been done all along. But I think it's a little schizophrenic, don't you.

I really do what you have right now? And I think Captain Neville Russ Neville really made it clear with one word scapegoat.

Yeah.

You know, you have a situation here where the mayor is feeling the heat. He doesn't really know where he is with the electorate because there could be this silent majority out here people that are saying I want to

Yeah, I agree with you.

It will change the total complexion of council, and it will change the total it will change the Mayor's office.

Well, you know, and for the mayor to make such an abrupt about face on that issue of you know, the Giuliani method enforcing all offenses and things like that, I kind of wonder if maybe there's some polling or something out there that says this is going to be a competitive race.

I don't know. That's nothing more than me speculating.

Yeah, but at the end of the day, we know that, you know, collectively, we've crime is really high right now, and you know this notion where the mayor has been saying that it's just our what our perception when you and I know that it is the reality. No, you're right right, it'sn't our reality. So why would you fire the police chief If everything's okay, If you've been telling everybody that that crime is low, it means that the what that the that the police chief has been doing a good job.

Right.

So he said that in every debate against Corey Bowman. So if that's true, why then do you need to fire the person who is responsible for low crime? So we can't have it both ways. You can't turn around and say one thing like hey, hey, Cincinnatians, crime is low. This is just your perception, and then say no, we've got to change because crime is I guess high, and

No question. What's the situation with the early voting.

I know it's going on now, but it stops at a certain point, doesn't it.

It does. It stops in a week Sunday of next week. This time week is the last time you could go to the Norwood location and vote in person early. But like I said, let's say voter turnout right now is fifteen percent of eighty five percent of registered voters haven't shown up and right now aren't participating eighty five Right now, we're doing door to door work right in a neighborhood right now, and we know when we get ten doors right eight of them aren't showing even though they're registered

There you go.

If you love our.

City the way I love it, I love the Queen City. If you love your neighbor the way I love my neighbors, this is the time for the jury box, which are voters, to show up and reject the direction of our city by saying no to this leadership and bringing in some help with with some new names.

I gotcha. Let me ask you this.

And I used to go door to door too when I was running for the stuff, going door to door the ones that you're able to connect with and yea, I have a small conversation with Are you seeing that they're as concerned about the crime issue as you and I are or even close to that?

What are you learning through that they.

Are very concerned And it doesn't matter whether we're talking to black voters or write voters, our Latino voters. Everybody is saying the same thing and out name neighborhoods like we're in bond here. We did that door to door rose on. Anybody listening, they'll say, yes, I got someone Smithman's literature at my door. I mean, we're really doing aggressive door to door work. So I don't want to I don't want to mislead your your your listening audiences

Yep, I hear you. Chris, Hey, listen. Unfortunately we're out of time. That really appreciates you taking time out of banging on doors to talk to us.

And we'll definitely be.

Talking to you, my gallant, and I appreciate you. And anybody that wants to follow me go to my ex account at vote Smitherman so you can keep up with what we're doing. Thank you, brother, Okay.

My pleasure. Thank you. Christopher. All right.

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It shouldn't be happening.

The other thing I saw yesterday which sure made my ears perk up, the potential repeal of Issue five, which people in the know knew back in two thousand and one. At some point this is going to bite us in the butt, and it looks like that period of time has come. Here to talk about it is a guy who knows about it. FOP President Lodge sixty nine, Ken Kover, Ken, thanks so much for joining us.

Thank good, Mary, Mike, thanks for having my pleasure.

My pleasure.

It seems unequivalent to me. I mean, the FOP sixty nine is supporting Chief Fiji, correct.

Absolutely, you know, but but this, this whole thing is much much bigger than just Chief Fiji. The way that she's been treated. Yea, a thirty five year veteran of this police department deserves to be treated better, because if they'll treat the chief like this, how.

Are they going to treat a police officer? Amen.

That's that's why everybody's all rout up about this.

It speaks volumes. I mean, it really does. The other thing I heard, I don't know whether it's true or not. I've heard it from a couple of different people is for the thirty four to thirty five years, she doesn't have anything negative in her jacket, which I think you would agree if that's accurate, that's that's pretty impressive.

Well, sure, absolutely. And you know, in just two months ago you had the mayor that was praising her, how how much confidence he had in the work that she was doing, and then all of a sudden, two weeks from election, and you know she somehow is is just not fit to be the police chief, which to me is certainly concerning.

Let me ask you this, and I agree with you. What do you think the reason for that treatment is? I mean, obviously it's political in nature. It just it seems like some of the stuff's come out of nowhere. I guess it's because it's a silly season.

But what do you think, Well, it goes back to her last press conference that they did the day before they ordered her back when she was out of town representing the city in the police department. And in that press conference, her last words that she said was cops are going to go out and do their job, and I'm going to back you one hundred percent.

We've got to do this, yep. And that was like the final straw.

It's like, oh my gosh, we can't have proactive policing, we can't have all this stuff going on. And I talked to her after this, after that press conference, I talked to her and I'm like, listen, there's no doubt that you're going to support us.

The question is is city Hall that's the problem.

And that's I think was the final straw of where, Okay, we're done with this.

We've got we've got to get her out of here, you know.

And yeah, that's the problem obviously, and I guess it always has been.

But you know, they need that support.

And you and I have talked innumerable times ken about you know, people stick police officers, sticking their neck out when they know that they're not going to get backed up, and that's the problem. But hey, I wanted to read you something that that the mayor said, and it's from Channel nine and I don't understand this. Maybe you can help me. The mayor told reporters on Wednesday that placing the chief on leave makes the city safer because it

It's absolute nonsense. You know.

You know now we have we have Colonel Henny that's in charge of the police department right now, more than capable. He is the absolutely fantastic person, is a leader. If they allow him to lead, things will be better.

But you could say the same thing about Chief Fiji. If City Hall would.

Stay out of, you know, the day to day operations of the police department, she's more than capable of leading this place and it would be.

A safer place.

However, you know, this is all occurring because of failed policies yep from City Hall that have trickled into the police department. And the reality is, unless they allow Colonel Henny to run this department the way he sees fit, we're not going to see any change. We're going to have the same problems we have now.

Yeah, and you know that is pretty much what city council does. I think I wanted to read you one other thing that he said too that you know, I think it speaks volumes. Anyway, Mayor's quota is saying we need change and if I again and if I have to force change through arrests and through enforcement, then unfortunate, that's what we're going to have to do. Sounds to me like he wants to be the chief of police.

Yeah, I've never seen him make an arrest. I've never seen him where you'll have a pair of handcuffs.

In his hands.

I mean it just but go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead.

But as all this is going on, you know, he has told me time after time that the chief Chief Figi is my law enforcement expert because I'm not a cop. But yet then he goes and does everything that is contrary to that statement, and that's why we're where we are.

Your thoughts on the treatment of Chief Fiji, I mean, you know, one day they're not going to do anything.

The next day they're taking job action.

Now the city's hiring a law firm, I guess to critique her, Well, I don't know what expertise any law firm would have but just your thoughts in general on that.

I mean, my thought on hiring this this law for him to do this is you might as well just throw money in burn barrel. Really, I mean this, this is crazy that we're going to spend money on something like this. The reality is, for whatever reason, they don't want her to be the chief, and there are so many different ways, better ways that they could have handled this instead of doing this publicly, you know, having her fly across the country only for her to land and go, oh,

Yeah.

And the whole thing is just absolute nonsense.

It is, And you know, just at of any kind of a level, it's just not right. You don't treat people like that, and you certainly don't treat a person who's given thirty four I guess it is years to the City of Cincinnati in the Cincinnati Police Department.

Just don't do that.

I get politics, and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but there's right and wrong and this ain't right.

No, you're absolutely right, And the bottom line is you can blame her for crime all you want, but the reality is, and we've seen this, all of these shootings that have taken place, all the suspects are people that we're either.

Out on a low or our.

Bond, they're on community control, they're on probation. And the reality is the judges are the ones.

That are ultimately going to have to fix us. Yep.

And you're going to have to have people like Josh Berklewitz to get reelected. That's going to set high bonds for people that is going to take crime seriously. And unless things like that happen, we're going to continue to just spin our wheels.

Yeah, and you're right about that.

And boy, the judiciary and each judge's individual, I get that, but the judiciary has changed quite a bit in this county. I got to ask you this, and this made me happy. When I saw the billboard. I didn't see it in person, if you will, I saw a picture of it that talks.

About Issue five.

I'll tell you what, Ken Kober, I don't know where you were in two thousand and one, but those of us who knew a little bit of what we were talking about knew that at some point this thing, Issue five taking away civil service protection from the chief of police, was going to bite somebody in the butt, and that time has come. Is the FOP going to mount an effort because it'll have to get on the ballot, but mount an effort to get that thing repealed?

Absolutely? You know, in two thousand and one, I was a very very young police department employee.

When I saw it.

When it happened in two thousand and one, I'm like, man, this is not going to be good. You know, Keith Hygman was the president. Oh yeah, I'm the FOP, and I heard what he had to say about it, I heard what all the people that were running the FOP had to say about it. I'm like, yeah, this this is likely going to be bad. And unfortunately, here we are twenty four years later and we're seeing just that. We are absolutely going to be mounting an effort.

To change it.

I'm not I'm not suggesting that we necessarily repeal it, because I don't think the citizens in the city are going to be okay with going back to the way things were. But what I do think is that we need to find a happy medium, something that everybody can live with. But the ultimate goal is the chief has got to have some kind of protection from one person terminating them and this person the city manager. Now and this isn't a slam on shere along, but the city

To what goes on, you know.

And the other thing too, I think what has to happen is the chief has to have some and I get a happy medium. The chief has to have that civil service protection because I'll tell you what, if you're talking about Tom Striker or Larry Whalen, we wouldn't be going through that crap because they wouldn't have any of it, you know what I mean, Well.

That's the whole reason that came about is because Chief Striker ran the department the way that he thought was best, and they hated that he didn't have to succumb to pressure from city hall. And city hall hated that at the time, you know, they hated that. You're like, there's nothing we can do to him. And then, believe me, we were thankful, you know, to have a chief that would able to stand up the city Hall and be able to say and do what they thought was best.

Policing, this is where we're at because of this exactly. So there have to be changed.

There has to be And do you want the City of Cincinnati, I'm asking this rhetorically to become a police department like Chicago Portland where the politicians do run it.

I think we.

Were very well served for a lot of years doing it the way where there was a civil service test for chief and you know, and the chief had civil service protection and if there's a happy median out there that people think could get passed by the electorate.

Hey man, I'm all for it.

I'm all for it, and I think there's going to be a lot of people, can Kober that will want to work on that campaign, and I'll tell you I'll be the first one in line.

Now.

Absolutely, I said, this is this is something that is so much bigger, you know, than what's going on right now. This is going to change who could be a leader in this department for the next fifty years.

Yep. But it's something that absolutely has to be done. You know, as long as I'm.

In the position that I'm in, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that this changes that that it happens.

I'm glad you're on top of it. Hey, we're out of time, Ken.

I really appreciate your point of view on this and hope we can call on you in the future.

Yeah. Sure, thanks for having me, Mike, Okay.

Thank you.

Well there you go. I mean, you heard it from the horse's mouth. The FOP is going to mount a challenge to Issue five, which you know that's not an easy thing to do, but I know those police officers and if they make up of their mind that they're going to try to fight something, they'll do it. And this is appropriate to do that too, because it just

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