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Cunningham, Billy Cunningham, the great American. Thanks for joining me this evening. We had hoped, I think you had hoped that somehow, by eight pm Eastern time tonight, a couple hours ago, that there would have been some indication by Hamas that they would accept the terms and release the hostages that are alive and those that are dead back to their families in exchange. Israel was prepared to release
about one thousand, one thousand terrorists back to Hamas. But as we sit here now, it's still up in the air. There's going to be more talks held tomorrow, I think in Egypt, so we'll see what happens with that. If it happens during the show tonight, you're going to be first to learn about it. We'll see what happens. Secondly, the absolute attack on law enforcement George Floyd style is now happening in many major American cities that are completely
out of control. Portland, Chicago, Memphis. At the top of the list. Washington, d C, according to the mayor, has never been this calm and this good. When I speak to a couple US Senators, so those who work in and around the Capitol, what Donald Trump has done in DC has been markedly better than what it was before. In fact, it is safe to walk around Washington, DC and haven't been there a few years. Don't intend to go back for a while. But it works. Have law
enforcement present works. One of the saddest things happening is the headline now in the Chicago Tribune. Chicago police sources blast the apartment's response after officers were told not to help federal agents that were being hemmed in by several cars and protesters who became riders. On Saturday morning, federal agents were rammed and trapped by ten vehicles where anti
ICE crowds had gathered for days. Nearly a dozen people had been arrested that an app went out and the federal law enforcement, the ICE officials requested assistance, and they were told no and reviewed a computer aided to dispatch messages sent to Chicago police by the Chief of Patrol. The message instructed Chicago police not to respond to the ramming on the southwest side of the city in which an armed woman was shot and agents were boxed in
and surrounded. Many Chicago police denied. Are extremely unhappy about this, but it's the world on which we live. In the past, when a app goes out, officer needs assistance, you drop what you're doing and you run to the scene. You save a fellow officer's life. In this case, the federal law enforcement was put in risk of harm and death and injury by these paid for mobs of left wing protesters,
and there was no help provided. And according to this statement, the Chicago Police itself claimed that the officers failed to respond, but they were sent to the scene to manage safety and document the incident, so not to assist arrest the criminals. Were rather to stand by and watch what's going on. That's under the leadership of the mayor of Brandon Johnson. I think now is approval ratings down to five or six percent. Next year you have a chance in Chicago
to vote on that. It is sick and it's sad because how many times if you're in law enforcement, if you're in a highway patrol, if you're in US Marshall Service, I FBI, City of Columbus, whatever city you're in, and an officer says officer needs assistance, no matter what it is, you drop what you're doing in your go for political reasons. The leadership in the city of Chicago said no, and they will respond to a scene that document what happens,
but they will not get involved. And this comes on the heels of the comments this morning by Christy Noms
who appeared in Fox and Friends this morning. She said cartels and other terrorist organizations terrorist organizations are placing bounties on the heads of specific federal immigration agents in a move she called dangerous and unpresident There are groups of terrorist groups funded by many left wing groups and also by China and by Iran, are offering two thousand dollars for the capture of an ICE agent and up to ten thousand dollars for a murder of an ICE law
enforcement official. She said, our intelligence in the case these people are well organized. They're getting more and more brazen as far as attacking police, and they're making plans to
ambush them and to kill them. Much of what happened to Dallas, by the way, recall that one someone high on marijuana smoked up who lived in the left wing sewer of MSNBC CNN, shot into an ice van thinking he would be killing police officers, but he actually killed two and the other one just recently died two individuals who were here illegally from Nicaragua. And now we have evidence that these terrorist groups George Floyd style have put
bounties on the head of federal law enforcement. And she said because it's an ongoing investigation, she didn't specify if the agents were from a particular agency or multiple ones. He said. She said, they're gangs, cartel members, and known terrorist groups who are paid for by left wing organizations inside of America but also by Iran and communist Red
China to cause problems in our major cities. This comes on the heels of many attacks on federal law enforcement, including a shooting at a Dallas ice facility that killed a couple of detainees and injured others. So while this is going Onnam also referred to the incident on Saturday morning or during a protest, ten vehicles operated by terrorists, not protesters. Terrorists boxed in federal law enforcement and ram one of their vehicles. The officers inside could not move
their vehicles. They called out officers need assistance. Help. No one showed up from the City of Chicago Police department. An officer ended up firing a weapon, and a woman
who drove herself to the hospital. The armed woman was named an a Customed and Border Patrol intelligence bulletin last week for doxing agents and posting online certain epithets about who they are, where they live, etc. So these are the George Floyd riots all over again, in which large multinational foundations George Soros and others fund large amounts of money to groups these so called paid protesters, paid rioters, and they get carried away with what they're doing, and
then officers are put at risk of being killed, and of course is going to happen. It will happen. Now I'm surprising it happened so far. She also has promised Christy Nomas said that she's going to find out who's organizing and paying for these don't call them protesters or demonstrators. They're terrorists. Christian Noames that I was in Chicago two days ago watching these terrorists and officers engage with them. All the protesters are wearing the same gas masks, carrying
the same kind of signs. Many of them are printed with the same font. You know that somebody is funding the whole operation, and it's absolutely the truth. In fact, I had on a guest a few months back that has the ability. It's called protest on demand, and if you google a protest on demand, it's right there. This one large group. Actually they say we create out of the box campaigns, audiences and events to make an impact
for our clients. These groups go on to say that they're looking to create a buzz anywhere at Crowds on Demand. We provide clients with passionate demonstrators, rally flash mobs, corporate PR events, and lighthearted events such as Papa Rozzi brand ambassadors and PR stunts. They do not involve in violence, is what they say, and I certainly believe that's the case.
I don't think you are on the internet and you're raising millions of dollars in order to create a crowd, and this one group will have protest rallies and audiences, events and fan interactions, protests, rallies and advocacy. You go to the group, you have to pay millions of dollars for several hundred and they're called out end mass with loud speakers, dressed appropriately, handing out the signs, and some of these hard left wing groups get very angry and
they start trying to kill police. If you live in the left wing sewer, every now and then the lid pops off, you you see it, you hear it, you listen it, and you watch it, and someone's going to be killed in law enforcement, and other have already been killed by these so called some lone wolves and some others that consider themselves to be part of some international movement against the United States of America and against police. And whether it's Gaza, whether it's Israel, whether it's Ukraine,
Communist Red China, the George Floyd crowd. They're out there in the major cities, incentivized by Governor Pritzer, by the mayors of major cities in Portland and Sacramento, in Chicago, New York elsewhere, that this massive left wing, well funded organizations will have protest demonstrators and terrorists on demand. And what happened yesterday morning in Chicago was sickening and it's
so wrong, it's awful. So also I want to comment briefly if we can, about what's going on in des Moines, Iowa, with Ian Roberts by the way at DEI hire in des Moines, Iowa, by the des Moines school Board to educate thirty thousand kids in des Moines rifle Ripe, complete with DEI programming up and down the list. And he was a DEI higher I won't call him doctor. Seemingly his doctor was a bunch of bs. And maybe his
college education which a bunch of bs. And now the campaign of Jackie Norris, a woman who's on the school board, she's chairman of the school board now in des Moines, I guess their campaign for Senate next year is on the rocks, so to speak, because she was the prime candidate to take on whoever the Republicans who are put up in the state of Iowa to run for Jony
Ernst's seat. And Jackie Norris is married to the Iowa Democratic Party chairman his name is John Morris Norris and their operatives, and she was the one in charge of issuing statements, accepting ultimately the resignation. Originally he was put on leave with pay, and then all the facts started
coming out. And if you're this stupid hiring someone like this, the last place you should be is the United States Senate, for God's sakes, and Homeland Security put out a laundry list of the crimes that he's committed over the last thirty some years, many involving drug use, possession of weapons, second degree criminal possession of a weapon, third degree criminal possession of a weapon, also in lawful possession of a loaded firearm. For thirty years, Roberts moved in and out
of the country, working with various campaigns. If he could, he traveled freely doing motivational speaking and teaching, and he was not shy and trafficked in some prominent circles, running in out of democratic power brokers. He was perceived as the right kind of person to educate thirty thousand kids in Iowa. It turned out the whole thing was a fraud. The rap sheet in history of immigration fraud is extensive. He lied, repeatedly, committed numerous offenses. Finally caught up with
him by twenty twenty four. Under the Biden administration, another final deportation order was issued because of the crimes he'd been committed and the fraud that he committed. Democrats in des Moines, Iowa have egg on their face, shall we say, they're a bit embarrassed by what happened. This wasn't someone to do something relatively unimportant. His job was to educate thirty thousand kids in the Des Moines public school system.
And I would note that a couple hundred walked out in protest when he was finally fired for being a criminal. That shows you the extent of DEI seeping into the body body politic in Des Moines, Iowa. For goodness, goodness sakes, you can't imagine this. And for a long time Jackie Norris and other liberal Democratic members of the Des Moines School Board covered for doctor Ian Roberts and said some of these charges can't be true. They wanted to give
him grace. Well, instead of getting grace, he's going to get a prison cell. He was wrongfully in possession of loaded weapons, firearms, three thousand dollars in cash, hiding in a grove of trees. That's the superintendent of schools. For God's sakes. So we got serious issues and one other thing I'm going to bring up. I have a guest
later on this issue. So, in addition to left wing groups having bounties on the head of ice officials doing their job under the law, In addition to the fact that big city police departments are the orders not to help, think about that. Addition to all that, we have the circumstances involving Charlie Kirk has raised its ugly head. I saw a story that Charlie Kirk has his own security detail.
I played for you the last few Sunday nights comments that Charlie made about what would happen if he was shot, and we played that for you last Sunday night. No need to play it again, but he said he would look at the face of Jesus. And I'm going to have on later Reverend Lucas Miles from Turning Point USA, one of his close confidence confidence who has a book out talking about what's happening in America today about paganism.
Taken over. Story I read deals with the fact that Charlie Kirk and the security team was very concerned about security at Utah University and that they were concerned about the buildings that were one hundred and fifty to two hundred yards away. The story I read, you know, the Kirk security failings had drone technology. You put up a drone and on your laptop or on your on your cell phone, you can follow what the drone is videoing
on top of the buildings. One of these security personnel for Charlie Kirk asked the officials at the college, you know what about those buildings right there. Charlie's going to be sitting on a high seat and he's going to be sitting a little higher than the crowd, and there's a clean line of sight to those buildings. And the security personnel indicated that we have drone technology. We can put up a drone for a couple hours and in real time see if somebody's on top for the building.
In fact, there were three buildings had to be covered. One drone could cover all three buildings. So the drone would have picked up someone running across the building with a rifle. So let's take a short break. I'll continue with this later and eight six six six four seven seven three three seven Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night.
Now let's continue with more in Utah Valley University is a great university that has grown markedly the past ten or fifteen years, and they had about three thousand mainly students were there. There was no metal detectors available, but there was about twenty foot separation between the front of the crowd and Charlie Kirk, and they had armed security personnel left and right. I don't know if metal detectors would have made any difference in this particular incident, certainly not.
But when I saw an interview with a retired Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy, he was the one shot protecting Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one, he said he was very surprised that the buildings were not covered because that's where the risk is. So this one report said that Utah Valley University security personnel said, we'll take care of that.
But the only way to take care of it is to put a deputy on top of each of those buildings, I would think, or secondly, to have a drone be high enough to look at all three at little or no expense to anybody. Times have changed, would you agree? And I don't know. And then the idea that this assassin whose name will never get in my head nor
leave my lips. Suddenly left the left the rifle to be found a couple hundred yards away in a small, little wooded area that was broken down in one sense or another, and that was an old, old unit, might have been as long as old as eighty years old, and he left it to be found with his DNA on it. Now, that is really stupid. Of course, a
lot of murderers are really stupid. I think what I'm saying is there's lots of questions to be answered about Charlie Kirk, and I'm confident that Dan Bongino, Deputy Director of the FBI, is going to get them answered. I believe that I trust Dan Bongino more than any person in the FBI, including the leader. I trust Dan Bongino. And if there's anything there there, I like to know it.
I like to know why the top of those roofs were not covered, which would have taken little or no time and money, and that was the obvious threat where the threat was going to come from. All let's continue with more and we'll have We'll take some calls in the next hour or so. The number to call is eight sixty six six four seven seven three three seven. Federal officials have requested local assistance when they're under assault by terrorists inside the city of Chicago, and it was
denied same way in Portland, which is completely out of control. Oregon, and now lawsuits are flying left and right at California are going to send the National Guard to Oregon, and Texas may send the National Guard to Illinois. Now the judges will be back involved. What's wrong with public safety? And why wasn't Charlie Moore protected Bill cunning into Great American with you every sing oh, let's continue whenever saw it,
We're simply continue. I'm just saying that Charlie Kirk, I watched many of his videos, believed his life was in jeopardy, and he related it publicly and privately. I'm going to get killed. In fact, I played for cuts from you about what's going to happen when you get shot, and he related when he gets shot what he's going to do. So in his mind, with his lovely wife, Erica, and with his two little little babies, and with the idea that my life is in danger, I have so many
death threats it's unbelievable. And you see the violence against turning point USA on college campuses. Even now at Tennessee State it's happening repeatedly. Violence is occurring. And he had security guards that were pretty good retired law enforcement, and so they wanted to have metal detectors, but that's not possible at Utah Valley University. It's an open air campus,
be very difficult to do that. So they created a boundary at which no one could get this side, at least the security the armed security officers on either side of Charlie Kirk. If somebody close inside would take a shot at him, they would have a clear line of sight to see the person and respond appropriately. And Charlie was told by some you ought to get some bulletproof glass, put it in front of you, and Charlie said, I
can't operate like that. I don't want to do that, he said, my hands are My life's in the hands of the Lord anyway. Absolutely, and the Lord permits ugly things to happen to good people because individuals evil ones like the assassin, has free will. And so the security guard in that guard. According to one news story, I saw got there, looked up and saw the rooftops of those buildings where they perfect line of site right to Charlie Kirk, and so we have to get those buildings covered.
And according to this media account, the police at Utah Valley University said, we'll take care of it. Thinking, okay, you have a cop on top of the building and each one a line of site directly one hundred and it wasn't two hundred yards. It was about one hundred and sixty yards away with a scope and it wasn't done. Why wasn't it done? I have no idea. After what happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania, I would think that'd be after you have some sort of twenty foot barrier away
from then guards right there looking at the crowd. The next area of concern would be the top of those buildings, and you could easily see if drone technology was available, which the Charlie Kirk organization has, that could put a drone in the air and watch all three top of the buildings. Somebody running across with a rifle likely would have set off alarms. Do you agree, at a minimum have other security guards on top of the building with
a nice chair to watch what's going on. And it didn't happen, so you can look back in time, what could have happened, what should have happened or might have happened. I know what did happen this media report. I saw the security personnel for Charlie said we got to get those buildings covered, and the police said we'll take care of it, and somebody didn't. I'm sure lawsuits whatever down the road will be found by somebody at some point. We'll see what happens. Let's continue. But summer is over
and it's now fall more or less. Although in Cincinnati feels like it's eighty five degrees going to be loose twenty five degrees the next two days. That's a different issue. But the cities are broiling because the mayors and the governors in blue cities and blue states will not support law enforcement. Look at the status of Chicago, Look at the status of the water tire and the Magnificent Mile. Look at the status of Michigan Avenue. Look what's happening
in Portland. It looks like a third world city. Homelessness, drug use abounds. And my beautiful little city of sins Cincinnati, we have shootings every night. We have a out of touch mayor. Completely have to have pureval as the guy's name. He has no clue what's going on. He say how safe the city is, and it's not. But Cincinnati is about ten years behind New York and Land. The way to secure the cities are the high local law enforcement along with the National Guard as appropriate. And we'll see
what happens. But now we're told now according to the story on Fox News, that some of the terrorist organizations that put bounties on the head, bring me the head of dead ice officers or others. According to Christy nome tooth and kidnappings are going to be popular to kidnap some money, but with ice and the mayor of Chicago and the governor has ordered that its law enforcement not assists federal law enforcement. That's where we are. Let's continue
in your calls. Number to call is eight sixty six six four seven seven three three seven. And my first guest in about thirty minutes or so is going to be the Reverend Lucas Miles, a Turning Point, USA, a close confident of Charlie Kirk and Erica. His new book is out Pagan Threat dealing with the school systems and elsewhere in law enforcement. And certainly this is very appropriate so let's continue with Alex in Wisconsin and then Edward
and Tampa Bay number to two. We have three lines open if you call now eight six six six four seven seven three three seven. Alex in Wisconsin, Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Alex, how are you?
I am doing good?
How are you doing doing well? Doing well? I think we have issues. I think we've got problems. Hopefully we're going to work for right.
Yeah. Yeah, And that's one of the things that I was calling the boat in. And it's not just in big cities, billets, everywhere that the crime rate's just gotten horrible.
And the issue is, isn't law enforcement incentivized now not to arrest people, to look the other way? Isn't that true?
Yeah?
And I think it's messed up.
Yeah, Well, tell me your experiences there in Wisconsin. You live in a small town, give me your experiences.
And the really crazy part too, is the police stations right by my hopes and the crime rate in the city that I live in is just it's crazy. And the fact that the police station's right there, it doesn't really matter, It doesn't even make a difference.
Do you think the police are incentivized not to arrest criminals because the political the political leadership doesn't want that to happen. I'll give you my example. In Cincinnati. We used to have an effective Cincinnati Police department one thousand officers. They're down to about nine hundred. It should have a level,
so we're down twenty percent. And the cops are told by the mayor and others don't pull people over for traffic violations like speeding or reckless operation because you have to find out you get you show me your life license, proof of insurance registration. It opens up at Pandora's box of other stuff. So we put speed bumps all over all over town because cops are told don't pull people over. We have large numbers of individual individuals illegally smoking marijuana
all over the city of Cincinnati and drug use. We have about a thousand homeless doing all kinds of bad stuff and the arrest don't take place because the mayor and city council doesn't want it to happen. And the same thing is true in Chicago. Being a Chicago cop under Brandon Johnson's got to be a joke.
Well, and you want to know what's really scary too, is I'm completely blind. I can't even imagine, do you knowify myselfs.
Yeah, well, Alex, I say, I'm going to say a prayer for you tonight and that somehow sanity must be returned to the people of Wisconsin, the people of America. Let's continue. Let's continue now with Thomas and the great state of Florida. Thomas and Florida. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Thomas Ower, I'm good, sure.
How are you, sir?
I'm a big fan of truck travery right now. I was just mildly concern was you know again, I know what the security with Charlie Kirk is that you know, we have a we have a code gush truckers safety first, and you know, I just thought that, you know, his life might have been spared if there was more precautions, like if the roof wasn't confirmed that they were secured, you know, he should have never been out in public.
I don't know, I does that make any sense, like he should have never been if there was any doubt at all, if these guys would have combed the roof or went above and beyond. Does that make any sense to me?
Yeah? Well, you know, I read this story. They want They wanted the roofs covered, and they were told by their local police, we will cover the roof. Now, if I'm one of the security guards, and I love Charlie Kirk, and I know Erica, and I know his I know his kids. I know he's got a concern about getting shot. And I'm looking around that event. Where am I looking. I'm I'm looking twenty feet in front of me. Yes,
right there. But then you know you can you can get eyeballs and those twenty people and you're armed in there. That's a problem. I get. I get not having a metal detector on a college campus. I get that. However, those roofs after Butler County, Pennsylvania should have been covered
by somebody, and why they weren't. I want to hear more about this because there's other people appearing in public that you know, yours truly is going to be at some turning point event in a public area, and I like to look around and see if the roofs are covered. The roofs have got to be covered, and they weren't, and they were, and Charlie's guys were told we'll take care of it.
That's a massive sir, that's the sage.
If they weren't covered.
Why would Charlie go out there? Why would they let him out if they couldn't confirm that the roofs won't carve right like you would think he would do a last minute sorrow check. No, the roof's not covered, you're not going out there, and just you know, insist, no, Charlie, you're not going out. We can't come it. We don't know if the roofs are covered, you can't go by what right with? Other people are saying, okay, well we're going to provide the security for you, right. Does that make sense?
Yes? I watch. I watched the twenty minutes, the first twenty minutes, and once I watched the actual bullet hitting his throat and he was a sitting duck under that tent from those roofs, and I just think was it was it a lone wolf who didn't know what he was doing, radicalized by his life, using his grandpa's rifle, he kept it in an area that was going to be found. Why does an assassin do that? I have no idea. Why did Lee Harvey Oswald leave behind the
gun at the six floor? I don't know why criminals. Sure, I don't know why that's the case, but Thomas, I'd like to have a more thorough investigation. I like to have Dan Bongino and FBI Director Patel and others say, at some point, Okay, it's been my gosh, I can't believe it's been almost thirty thirty days, but we are to have some indication happened September September tenth. We got to have some indication that we're gonna investigate this thing.
We're gonna find out what happened, how it happened, why this event take place, to teach us how to handle other events. I mean, in the Kennedy assassination, the idea of a president riding through a major city with no bubble up and waving at people like John F. Kennedy and Dealey Plaza until that happened, That happened all the time. I can see pictures of him in Ireland and thousands of people, and put him in a situation where if somebody wanted to assassinate him, it was obvious there's John F.
Kennedy's head right there. And after what happened in Butler County, Pennsylvania, I would like to think that an area one hundred and fifty yards away with a perfect line of sight
to Charlie Kirk. It's something I like to have somebody tell me FBI Director Patel or Dan Bongino or somebody Cash is to say, you know what, we're investigating this thing, and it is everything we're being told accurate that somehow this kid who was radicalized by the sewer of left wing politics, who was shall we say, dating or living with a transsexual, a transgender individual who hated Charlie Kirk. Because by the way, Charlie Kirk had love in his
heart for everyone. Race create made no difference. I've watched it. I watched him perform often with African Americans, with gay individuals, transgender, whatever it is, love in his heart for everyone. It's a lie that he was anti Semitic, or that he was anti black or and I gay, whatever it might,
it was a lie. And I just like to have Cash Ptell or Dan Bongino at some point say we're going to conduct a thorough investigation, which they've done now with the assassin, But what happened that allowed that assassin to be on the roof. What happened in Butler County, PA. That allowed that attempt at assassin to be in that position. And for the last long since what last August, that story is dead as a doornail. How did it happen? How did you get the weapon? There's been no reporting
on it at all. And now I use the term our guys are involved. Our guys are involved. Let's take a short break. I think the next call might be from Russia. So we're gonna get to Russia find out what the feeling is. Plus, I want to set up the rest of tonight's big show. Bill Cunningham, the Great American with you every Sunday night. All right, Now, we don't get a lot of calls from Moscow, I mean Russia, Bob and Moscow, Russia. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Didn't you call me about a year ago? Year or two ago?
Ps year or two ago? And I'm still here. I have a I'm a Catholic also, and I have everything that's going on with I'm Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump. All this all started with Pope John the Second when he was shot, same situation. He loved the people, took care of the not the rich, the wealth, He's took care of all people. His shooting is the same thing that happened with Donald Trump shooting is the same thing that happened with Charlie kirk shooting. They're trying to eliminate.
People that actually care about.
The world in the United States, and they're all similar situations. They're all tied together, no security.
Yeah, it's amazed that someone could get one hundred and fifty yards away from Donald Trump in the summertime of twenty twenty four with a claire shot at his head. And the only reason the trump Ster lives is that he went to tarned to the right, which you seldom did that early, to look at a chart and that saved his life. By the way, can you tell me the status of living in Russia today? I read things
like long lines for gasoline. There's a little bit of bubbling uncertainty about Vladimir boutin Russia, maybe in the virtue of collapse. Do you feel comfortable talking about that.
I can talk something, but first of all, I want just to finish up with what we're talking about with what one with Charlie Kirk. What is the similarity between the shooting of Charlie Kirk and the shooting of John Paul the Second.
Well, you tell me one was a bulgarian or something who hated what John Paul the second student, No, no.
No, Charlie Kirk's wife forgave the man. John Paul the Second for gave the man.
In fact, he met with that, he met with him.
That's what believing in gotda being a true catholicus you forget, you know, it's very hard.
Well, the Christ forgave the thaif on the cross next to them, he forgave him tonight. And so John Paul the Second when I got out of the hospital, met with that bulgarian and forgave him. And Erica Kirk two days after the event, having just kissed her husband's forehead when they shut the coffin, forgave the murderer of her husband. Now, how about that?
And that?
And that's what a true believer in God and faith and the Lord Jesus Christ does. But getting back to Moscow, the only places there's lyes for gasoline are just like what happens in the United Stits in California, I'm sure because of the refinery's burning there right, there's could be lyings in Gasolina type for Gasolina type because when he cut off supply at some point, there's could be lyings. Everything's gotten more expensive, just like in the United States.
But part of the reason why I'm here is because my healthcare in the European healthcare system that's available over here that's not available in the United States. Medicines from Germany are so much cheaper. I paid one. I'm sixty three years old. I paid one five hundred dollars a year for full coverage of healthcare, private coverage, without coverage for medication.
Well, what about living in a communist country with Vladimir pot and you just keep your head down and don't say anything bad about the government.
Actually, if you haven't lived in a foreign country or lived here, I actually have more freedom here to speak about Christianity or walk. And I'm sixty three years old. There's not a place in Moscow right now than I'm not afraid to walk it in the evening or at night by myself. So there's pros and cons of both countries. I mean the governments are different, yes, but things are more straightforward here right now than they are in America. I mean, you go to a pro sporting event. In America,
half the people are drunk. Now, you go to a pro, go to a you go to a pro sporting events. Here in Russia, no alcohol is service.
We have to run. Call me back in a few months. But I would not want to live in the communist country, no matter any circumstances. Although there are elements of safety there that aren't existing here. But I'm an American, Bob, thanks for calling me. Coming up, We're going to put a call into the Reverend Lucas Miles re Turning Point, USA. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday.
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I Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, on September the tenth, a terrible event took place. Some have compared to the Kennedy assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. That is the murder of Charlie Kirk in Utah. It was incredibly It broke about quarter to three Eastern time, a flash across the screen. I was on the air when
it happened, and talk about a shock. And here we are three or four weeks later and still having a process exactly the impact of this janan you and on alis Pastor Lucas Miles, he's the senior director of Turning Point USA Faith and best selling author. Book is out of brand new one which is Pagan Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising. And Reverend Miles, welcome, I think for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show before we talk
about your book, which is number one everywhere. I think it'll double and triple and sales says the work gets out even more. Can you talk about where you were when you learned that Charlie had been murdered and the impact on his organization.
Yeah, I was actually out of the country when I got the news. We'd had a very busy you know, obviously last eighteen months or so with my role there at TPUSA Faith, and I had talked to Charlie and told him, I said, hey, we're looking taking vacation He's like, yeah, absolutely, go just get away, just shut everything down and just you need that time. And my wife and I were down in Arubo with another dear couple friend of ours, and my assistant had told me, he said, I'm not
only going to call you if something major happens. And I'm sitting by the pool down there, middle of our trip and I see the phone ring and my heart just sank. I knew right away something was wrong. He told me Charlie had been shot. We don't know how bad it is. Start getting home now, and we weren't able to get a flight for the next day, and it's it's just been NonStop since then.
Lucas Miles, why did you have that feeling? Were you? Were you foretold? Was it predicted? I've seen some of the YouTube clips about Charlie Kirk talking about his death. Not too many thirty one year olds talk about their death. Why'd you have that pit in your stomach?
You know?
I just knew I was only going to get a call if something was wrong. Otherwise my assistant would have emailed me, he would have sent me a message on telegram to look at later. But when I saw the phone ring, I knew it wasn't good. Now, I didn't know, you know, it wasn't my wildest imagination that that was going to be what the call was. But I just knew something was problematic at a higher level at that point, and you know, it just didn't seem real. It still
doesn't seem real, honestly. It's just, you know, you kind of go back and forth between that grief and denial, and I just want to text Charlie and ask him, you know, what does he think about all this, you know, or what do we do next?
You know?
And so I think all of our staff is kind of going through that process. But I'll tell you what, there is such a spirit of resolve over the whole team at TPUSA. Charlie was such a great leader. He laid out an action plan for a really long time. There's you know, Erica, you know, everybody is. She's just been a stabilizing force for the whole organization. And so, you know, we're filled with grief, but there's a lot of work to do, and in Charlie Kirk fashion, we're
getting up and we're going back to work. And we got a country and a world to.
Save here and without America. The world has lost this submission of Charlie Kirk's beginning about thirteen or fourteen years ago, was impossible to go on college campuses. I've seen hundreds of hours of YouTube clips of what happens to them on college campuses. He wins almost every argument because he right, what are some of the threats? What do you diagnosis and threats we face as America.
Yeah, So in my book pagan Threat, one of the things I try to bring people's attention to, and whately the thesis of it is this is that you know, by and large, paganism as a whole was dead.
GK.
Chesterton said so himself. But the problem with paganism is it tends to resurface periodically. And so what is happening now is in order for a Marxist agenda to be able to thrive in America, America, Americans have to forget their Christian worldview. We have to forget our roots. We have to, you know, so you have to tear down statues, you have to you have to wipe away the memory of any sort of history that points to Christ or our Christian founding. And so in order to do that,
they're thrusting this paganism onto our youth of today. You know, everything from witchcraft, a sorcery, to the occult to you know, it's in movies, it's in TV, it's in pop culture, it's in music. And they're just trying to change the ethos, the the moral standard in America because if they can do that, and they reduce the value of human life that the Christian worldview promotes, then they can actually institute a Marxist takeover this nation.
You talk about abortion on demand, including the abortion pills, talk about ubiquitous crime everywhere. The presidents finally sent in some federal troops to Portland and the Memphis to tamp it down. You talk about what's happening on college campuses relative to the indoctrination to the left, and it almost
seems insurmountable. And at this point I worried that after Charlie was murdered on September the tenth, that the movement itself, after three to six to nine months would dissipate, that the leaders such as yourself, pastor Lucas Miles, would find other events, other things would happening. We're not quite a month out. What is your feeling looking back as far as planning the next several years. So the messenger was murdered, but the message must live in a structural way. He
was the rock star. He was a Paul McCartney of the Beatles, you know, he was Elvis. He was the guy. And when you lose that kind of a messenger Martin Luther King Junior type, it's really difficult to find Ralph Abernathy to take his place. In fact, no one ever could. Do you have a concern looking back in five years, those five years ago by quickly as the last five years have gone by. Why do you have such confidence that this movement will not die with the messenger having
been killed, but the message must live. Why do you say that?
You know, I think there's a couple of things we have to look off look at. So, first off, when it comes to turning point, USA, Charlie, build a really strong bench, our board, our contributors, our c suite level team members. Now having Erica as CEO, we are in a really strong position. Our donors are committed. I think the nation is behind us, our churches are committed to working with us, and so there's a lot of unity and structure there to be able to sustain this for
years to come. And we have so much of Charlie's content. Although he has gone from this earth in a physical sense, his voice is going to ring out and we're going to make sure of it for literally decades and decades to come, and so that every you know, he's immortalized now in the sense that you know, he's forever young,
his voice is going to stay that way. The difference between some of these other movements we've seen in the past, with MLK and others, is that, you know, we didn't have, you know, hundreds of thousands of hours of four K video content with three different angles to be able to really share the heart. So Charlie is still speaking today all over the Internet and that's going to continue. I think additionally, when it comes to revival, that component of it,
you know, God brings revival. This is something we can't just fabricate, but I think that we can help stewart it, and so we're working with our churches and that's really my primary role is working with churches across the country to help stewart this season of revival. My own church has doubled in attendance during this timeframe. I've gotten that same message from so many other pastors across the country. There's a move of God happening right now, and I think,
you know, we just we can't Charlie Kirk. I'm never going to be Charlie Kirk. Nobody else is ever going to be Charlie Kirk. I just want to be the best Lucas Miles that I can in my generation to fulfill what God. You know, He's always on my life.
Reveren, if you can talk about the lost white male, I've seen all the reports the studies had on a guest from The New York Times a couple months ago about the lost white male who finds himself disconnected, disjoin it, has no personal relationships, someone lost in the world of porn or lost in the world of gaming. The murder of Charlie Kirk seemingly was lost in both worlds. He
was a young man. You have pictures of young men that have created caused many of these disasters, political assassinations. You have the event Mormon Church Later Day Saints fifty miles north of Detroit being leveled to the ground. And that guy was like thirty nine or forty years old. But he had brain difficulties. How do you address yourself to the lost to white male who feels as if he lives in a toxic male oriented society. Male toxicity
is everywhere. I watched Charlie Kirk's response to the to the toxic mail and it was a beautiful response. But can you address yourself to the lost white male?
Yeah?
Absolutely, So, you know what we're seeing right now is that.
And I think it's important to recognize across this entire generation, and this would go for probably millennials as well as gen z is there is a tremendous amount of trauma that these generations have endured and sustained, you know, and you've got to remember, at forty years old, that individual is a millennial, right, you know, the older millennials are forty years old now, and so you know, in the case of the Mormon shooting and so the you know, this,
this is what's it, you know, contributed by starts with nine to eleven, multiple wars in the Middle East. We have things like that, you know, Columbine and the rise
of school shootings. At the same time, you have this increase of the digital footprint, video games, dark places in the internet, chat rooms and forums, you know, places to explore and you know kind of get into all these emotional things that people are feeling that turn very dark oftentimes you have you know, combined with that, we see the rise of gender ideology transcault, We have COVID, We have the isolation that was experienced a lot of these
younger people. They missed prom they didn't get to date anybody, they didn't get to you know, run around with their car and you know, with friends and hang out. There was isolation. They were stuck in their house, they were doing school by video, and there's ramifications of that. We were all warning about that during COVID, and now we're seeing the fruit of those policies you know, played out, and so we have to go to where these people are. We have to reach them. Charlie was just a brilliant
strategist at reaching people in the digital space. And you know, his video has been seen by literally billions of people and they're going to continue to be seen. But we have to keep being you know, strategic in our generation. You know, Charlie is not here physically to you know, to do that himself. We got to pick up the baton and every single one of us, you know, have to do our part to really build, to reach people, to help the hurt and ultimately lead them to Jesus Christ.
Pastor Lucas Miles. I saw a treaty he's on Salon, a website that I'm sure many do not attend, but nonetheless it's a liberal website about the message with Charlie Kirk being anti female. The message was it is very positive to meet a man, to be in a sense him the leader of the family. He's to protect to the provider, and that is a mother. To stay at home is anti female. The average female today gets married when she's about twenty nine, the average male about thirty one.
And so therefore the message is stay at home, barefoot and pregnant and cook, prepare dinner, and be the homemaker. And that message by Salon was terrible that girls and young women are being told the only way you can be successful in life is to find a man, to get married, to have children, to be a homemaker. And the Salon, a liberal website, says Charlie Kirk's message was anti female, trying to hold women back. How would you respond to that.
One, Well, I would say if he's trying to hold women back. He did a very bad job of it because so many of our staff at GPUSA are female and they're executives and their leaders within the organization. Charlie was a champion of a humanity period. He believed in and understood the Biblical design that we see there's differences between men and women, and we celebrate those differences. That doesn't mean that you know, uh, there has to be this or that they're you know, there shouldn't. That never
leads to dominance. That never leads to you know, control in some sort of sense. We would be, you know, against anything like that. In scripture, would be against anything like that. And so I think that you know, you see these things. Obviously they're taking one sound bite and they're going to use that and pull that out of context.
But I think those around Charlie, those that watched his videos, you know, a lot of his base was were females that were finding freedom and hope and encouragement in the message that he was sharing about liberty and about Jesus Christ and about family and really how to you know, follow God's plan for your life. And I think that those that you know, uh, actually tuned in to hear his full statements on those things. That's what they experienced.
Pastor Lucas Miles. A turning point, uh is this is this movement open to Jews, to Muslims, to seeks to those who do not believe in God whatsoever. The three points of Charlie Kirk was number one God and number two is family. Number three is America. Is this message if you're a Jew, if you're a Muslim, if you're a Sikh, if you're some other sect I guess a Mormon certainly is the best people I've ever met in
my life are Mormons, by the way. But nonetheless, is this message open to Jews and the Muslims?
I think it depends on what message we're talking about. So, first off, the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is open to all people who would put their faith in him. That is the inclusivity of the gospel. But the exclusivity of the gospel is that only those who receive Him by faith are able to become children of God.
That's from a Christian theological standpoint. But if we're talking about the message of conservatism, the message of liberty, the message of some of the work that say, maybe our secular side at Turning Point Action or Turning Point USA is doing on college campuses that you will find, you know,
Charlie was always a big tent, you know, thinker. We have people from all different backgrounds, you know that that have come alongside the Turning Point brand that have been part of our chapters, have been part of our groups. And that's not something that is inherently Christian to that, although a lot of our people happened to be Christians, and I think that that liberty and freedom you know,
really originate from a Christian idea in that sense. But we have people from all different backgrounds that partner with us.
You see that.
You know, we're you know, even displayed in some of our speakers, you know that we work with. So I oversee you know tp USA faith, which is you know, kind of our our our church driven arm of that. So I work with a little bit different base of individuals than what Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action you know, are working in within a daily basis.
Is it dangerous out there? I saw what happened in Tennessee State University and which there were three or four representatives and they were literally had their placards, they were torn up, the chairs who were overthrown. There was like a mini riot. The police show up even after the death has been almost a month now of Charlie Kirk. And is it still dangerous out there to be a
Christian to believe in God, family and country? How dangerous isn't And have you seen the recent videos on college campuses. The violence has not stopped.
You know, I think it's been dangerous to be a Christian for about two thousand years, and I think that it's going to continue to be dangerous to be a
Christian until the Lord returns. The Bible says in John fifteen that you know, Jesus says specifically that they will hate you because they hated me first talking about himself, and so you know, we know that there is a hatred for Christians in this world because people who are rebelling against God and have hatred for God are going to hate His children, his people, his name, his voice in any of those sayss I believe that Charlie was silenced not for his political views, but because he was
a Christian, because he stood on biblical principles, because he testified to his faith. He died of murder, and so yeah, it is dangerous, but you know, our love in the same way that God loves us enough to send his son to die, we love the world enough in Christ to be willing to put ourselves in dangerous positions and at the risk of personal peril in order to share this gospel. Obviously, we want to be smart. I would encourage any church out there they should have security right
now that if they should be rethinking their plan. We've seen an uptick in church violence, all of those things. All of us have to be thinking about this. This is not just you know, turning point USA, but but ultimately, you know, we believe that this life, it's a butt of vapor and it is worth the risk to be able to lead somebody else to you know, out of a pit of hell into an eternal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Now, lastly, how's Erica doing?
Is she?
Her speech I thought two days after the event was one of the greatest things I've ever seen. It was, I believe. It was on Friday night, about nine pm, two days after her husband was murdered, and she related somewhere that she wanted to to see his body.
Uh.
He she went into the morgue and and looked at his face in the hand, a slight smile on his face, and she said, it's relatable because the second he was dead, the next second he saw the face of Christ and that was reflected on his face. How's Erica doing?
You know? I think anybody who goes through tragedy and and just just such a heinous event at this level is going to have a wide array of emotions. All of us here, you know, we are cycling through feelings of you know, probably disbelief and anger and these things. But I think Erica has made very clear, you know,
where she stands on this. We saw her ability to really just grab a hold of God's grace and unconditional love and something that was truly supernatural when she, you know, uttered those words, I forgive you, know, I forgive you.
I mean, this is it's so powerful. It's this is a difficult time, as you can imagine, but God's grace is really, you know, I think, falling on all of us here at TPUSA, and I think that we've really looked to Erica to to be able to be that stabilizing for or see her navigate through this with such resolve and grace and strength and stability despite a men's pain has been a real unifying factor. I think for all of us.
Pastor Lucas Miles, thank you the book as Pagan Threat, and that title puts the cheese on the cracker. Pagan threat. It's everywhere. Pastor Lucas Miles, You're a great American. Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Live with you every Sunday Night by Billy cunning in the Great American. And I will continue to follow what's happening with Turning Point USA had Charlie Kirk on a couple of times. I've met myself available
in Midwest to go to certain rallies. I will stand up tall and proud for the legacy of Charlie Kirk. So when you have a Pagan threat book written by Reverend Lucas Miles, who is a close associate of Charlie Kirk and things of that character, I kind of want to stay close to this group because this bullet cannot change the trajectory of what Charlie Kirk contended. It simply cannot happen. All let's continue with more coming up next. As Erica Snsey, she's the founder of Parents defending education.
Bill cunning Him to Great American with you every Sunday night, Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, if you've listened to me the past several years, certainly public education isn't complete turmoil. Although I'm very familiar with happening in Cincinnati public schools, the same as true in Chicago or Austin, or Sacramento or New York. I could not imagine being in Atlanta public school where that its education must be. Like I've referenced before that many of these kids come
out as marching Marxist. The average twelfth grader in Chicago reads about the eighth grade level. It's in doctrination, not education, and it's getting worse, it's not getting better. Jonaan you and I. I is doctor eric Osanzi. She's a public relations director with defunding, defending education, et cetera, and defunding education as it is today. And Erico, welcome, I think
for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before we get into your article at OutKick, which I think was fabulous, can you kind of tell us what's happening with doctor Ian Roberts, the superintendent des Moines, which is illustrative of a larger problem.
Yeah, I mean, this is one of those stories that you actually feel like it's like made for a move to be made into a movie. Every time I checked the news, another shoe has dropped related to this guy. But essentially, you know, the Des Moines Public Schools that has, you know, thirty five thousand students hired this man, doctor Ian Roberts, to become their superintendent.
His salary plus benefits.
All in per year with three hundred and five thousand dollars. And it turns out that he appears to just be kind of like a con man. So he was arrested the end of last week by ice or detained I think the word right, detained by ice because there was an active deportation order out for him which was issued under the Bibe administration in May of twenty twenty four.
When he was.
Pursued by the Ice agents, he abandoned his car and took off in like some sort of like woods or like they think they said it was like a brushy area, left a loaded gun in his car three thousand dollars in cash. So that's already like a pretty big story.
But it turns out that he also had lied about his credentials, had lied about getting a doctorate from Morgan State, which he never did, so he was going by doctor back when he was working in the DC Public School in twenty twelve, but he didn't actually get his or his doctorate until twenty twenty one. And I think it was kind of from one of those like online diploma
mill type places. He misrepresented being a citizen on his I nine and he also left behind he worked at a school in Pennsylvania and left in his wake four hundred and five thousand dollars in legal settlement costs for the district, all directly related to him. I mean, I mean, I don't you never want to relish in a story, but it really does like it just it's it's insane.
And then when you see what his ideology was, when you see what the policies were in des Moines under him, it just all makes sense.
He was a classic dei higher. He fit the formula of the liberals of the Poinne Board of Education. And I suppose one of the women, one of the ladies that hired him, is now running for the Senate. And I want to take the place of Jody Ernst next year, and I'm reading this describe that explain that one.
It's even worse than that. So, first of all, I hate to say this because this does make me sound sexist, and that's fine. This is an all female school board, and I do think that's relevant because of the way that empathy is much more easily weaponized with women. Number Two, the ch the board chair. This woman who is the chair of the board was in the past Michelle Obama's chief of staff, perfect and she's now running for a
US Senate. And the funniest thing is she made a video a few days ago saying, I've been so busy with my volunteer job as a school board chairs the past week that i haven't had time to can work
on my campaign, So please donate money. So she's literally she's fundraising off a massive failure, which I don't know that just kind of that takes a lot of I don't know what to think that people are going to want to give you money because you are now like a nationwide spectacle because of your Either two things, one of two things happened.
Either this was.
Ideology that had taken over and had you know, blinded them to reality, or this is completing competence.
Well, doctor Ian Roberts is not a doctor. I'm watching one of the immigration lawyers representing the Trump administration who says, thirty years ago he was involved in drug dealing. He was picked up illegally. He's from the nation of Guyana in South America. Every part of his life is fake. And now the Moine Board of Education is saying, well, we hired this other company to do the proper investigation. All it takes is a computer and Google to find out this guy does not have a life at all
other than as a trickster and a hoaster. And when the gig was up, he ran in a car, parked the car illegally in a field, ran hide behind some bushes and trees with a gun illegally, a knife illegally, and with three thousand dollars in cash. And this is the person the Liberal Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa wanted to lead thirty thousand kids in the public school system. I can imagine the results of the testing in that
school district with this guy in charge. And one of the scoreboard members wiped away tears as she spoke in Spanish during the Tuesday night acceptance of his resignation and the students, how about this one, Erica Sonzi, how about this one. There were about fifteen or twenty students who walked out Wednesday or Wednesday morning in protest. They were unhappy they lost their good looking superintendent who fed all the DEI principles. How about the students themselves saying we want him back.
Well, again, this is another thing with that weaponization of empathy, right where you convince these kids that in order to be a good person, they have to stand up for this guy. Now, I've worked in enough schools to know most students don't know who the superintendent is. So if there was an overwhelming awareness of this guy by students,
that's also kind of strange. So the fact that they would be And again you're going to see these the parents who are protesting again why because it's about these identity boxes. For them, he doesn't matter what he did wrong. We've seen this so many times over the past few years, that people will make excuses and lower the bar if people check off certain identity boxes. And that's clearly what happened here, because it's all indefensible no matter who he is.
But again, but for some of these people for whom this ideology has sort of like broken their brains. Yeah, they they're still kind of clinging to the idea that he was the right guy for the job.
Liberal females were encaptured with the way he appeared, had had the right kind of hair, representation, always looked great, represented very well. It was all a fake and a fraud. Before we talk about your column, which I think is fabulous at at OutKick, I want to talk briefly about Chicago, and I'm reading a headline Chicago Teachers Union Morn's death. A convicted seventies cop killer and revolutionary and this got
small strift in the mainstream media. But back in the nineteen seventies, there was a woman who took the name of Asada Shakur, literally convicted of killing a police officer. His name was State Trooper New Jersey Warner Forster. And she was convicted in nineteen seventy seven. No question, she did it. She was convicted, And somehow I must have missed this one. Her band of renegades and revolutionlutionaries broke her out of a female state prison in New Jersey
and she made her way to Cuba. And so for the last time. Almost fifty years she's been living in Cuba and every president has tried to get her back because she convicted, no questions, she killed a cop as a revolutionary act. Well, she died about a week ago, and the Chicago Teachers' Union mourns the death of convicted seventies cop killer and revolutionary Assada Shakor. These are the teachers in Chicago. This is a cop killer in Cuba,
they said, rest in power, rest in peace. Today we honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a fierce writer, a revered elder, a black liberation and a leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle. Assawda refused to be silenced. She taught us so much. So I'm reading this so last week Chicago teachers honored a cop killer as a revolutionary. Why isn't that a bigger deal?
So I saw a lot about this, probably because I
was on X a lot, and I would say too. Again, it is important for listeners to know that the union leadership is very radical, yes, and the rank and file are much less so, though the rank and file often are unaware of what their leadership is doing and saying so but yeah, no, Well, we get to remember this is the same teachers union who also said that anyone who wanted schools to reopen during the pandemic was a racist and a misogynist, which actually an a white supremacist,
I believe. So this this is one of the craziest, most.
Unhinged teachers unions in the country.
I am not surprised that they came out and said that, because that is who they are, and they it literally makes me think of like it like if we were going to like ads a be like wanting to honor Timothy McVay or something right where you you know, she in addition to killing being a cop killer, I believe she was also a bank robber.
Correct.
And the mayor of Chicago was asked about this now, and he's also a total whack job who used to run this name this he used to run this union. To give you a sense, I mean, he's just like he's like a radical revolutionary type. And uh, he didn't condemn what the union said. He basically said.
That she.
What's the word I'm looking for here? She proclaimed her innocence throughout, and he said that, you know, when she was convicted, you couldn't get a fair trial in this country if you were a person of color, he said, so basically, he defended the the Union by saying she's probably innocent because you couldn't get a fair trial back then.
She's a victim, and so her revolutionary band broke her out.
Uh.
The reason I issue on today is is your column and OutKick headline is teachers who delight in murder and assassinations are un fit for the job. You go on to write, millions of kids in this country love Charlie Kirk saw I'm executed on livestream. You go on to say that there's a question of fitness for the job, and you have some of the quotes of teachers and others.
Quote another Nazi dead resting urine, Charlie Kirk. You also the teachers have said, I've watched a video over and over like fifty times, love every fraction of a second of it. It gets better with every watch. That's from a teacher quote. Yes I'm celebrating. Yes I hope he rots another one far right, buttholes have a target on their backs. One down, millions to go. So these are teachers in the classroom celebrating in cold blood the murder of Charlie Kirk. Explain that one to me.
So these are all quotations that I pulled from social media platforms. So these were k through twelve teachers who took to public platforms to celebrate this asassity. They were not said in the classroom, they but they were put out on a public platform in the immediate aftermath of that murder. And again, like, as I'm wearing my former teacher hat and my parent hat, this is a question
of fitness. You're not fit for the role of to be educating other people's children in a compulsory education system if this is the way that you behave publicly after political assassination. And to me, it doesn't matter who the it doesn't matter who is who gets killed. This behavior of this behavior of delighting and murder is something that maybe if my cashier at Wendy's, or my Amazon driver or my mechanic, you know, if if they do that and I know about it, I can take my business elsewhere.
But that to me is totally different than the adults who have custodial care of other people's children. And again I have to say, like, this is a compulsory education system, and we don't let parents choose they have to send their kids to a school that they're residentially assigned to
unless they have the means to make other arrangements. So to say that kids are being forced back into classrooms with adults who celebrated the murder of somebody that many of these kids didn't just look up to and admire, but he was like a daily part of their sort of social media diet, and they saw him snuffed out in an instant. And then they have to listen to the teacher, you know, or they at least have to know that their teacher thinks that's great.
And doctor Sanzi, I'm glad you had that delineator. I'm sorry, I.
Think I think you're mixing me up with doctor Ian Roberts.
That's it, Eric of defending Education and the columns at OutKick, I want to say this, I'm against cancel culture. That we all have rights of freedom of expression, freedom of speech. I draw the line if I'm ordering a meal at a restaurant, if someone a postal worker, someone like that,
have doing ministerial functions of one type or another. You know, I'm saying, okay, I can, but i don't want somebody in charge of my health, like the anesthesiologist from Miami, Florida who went on another a woman by the way, who talked about how happy she was that Charlie Kirk is murdered. I don't want a college professor. I don't want someone who's at teaching my kids in school with these with this value system, some of the other cuts
that you have about teachers. Quote, I can't believe people are actually mourning this. I can't use the word quote. Hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot and died really brightened up my day. Another one said, I'm glad he's dead. Another one out of social media said, what a piece of garbage. This is what happens. He met his maker. But let's be very clear that maker is not in have Charlie Kirk is not in heaven. He's in hell
right now. That's from teachers on social media. So explain again to the American people why this is not cancel culture.
Well, this is not cancel culture because this is a question of fitness for the job. And we as parents delegate the authority to schools to serve in local parents during the school day. That means that these are people that are tasked with educating other people's children. To me, behaving that way is a sign that your moral compass is completely broken. And if that broken moral compass is gonna you can't force me to make my kids spend their time with somebody like that.
Yes, because there's two reasons.
One delighting and murder. And by the way, a political assassination of somebody in the midst of a debate on a college campus that clearly is just qualifying, but so is the lack of judgment. It takes two. Again. They didn't whisper this to their spouse, They didn't like say this when they were out to dinner with their friends, right they put it on a public platform for the
world to see. So that tells me that they just they lack any judgment or all judgment required to be in that kind of a position with other people's children. Because right now, like there are kind of trapped have I mean, when you look at middle school and high school kids, especially boys, Charlie Kirk was, they probably saw him on their phones every single day. Many of them admired him, looked up to him, thought he was relatable, thought he was able to say things if they wish
they could say, but they're afraid to say. Liked his politics, so they liked him. Other people, it wasn't politics. He was kind of a faith leader for them, so they looked after him for that reason. For some kids, it was just finally a regular guy that just like speaks the truth, whatever it was. They saw his life extinguished right before their eyes. When we talk about kids not having boys don't have role models. Boys don't have role models.
That's why we literally watched one of them be murdered in front of their eyes, and then their teacher goes out and says that that's a good thing. I mean, couldn't the kid wonder? Couldn't the kid wonder? Gee? I wonder if my teacher would be excited if I was killed.
We have to run. But Erica Sanzi defending education. The columns on OutKick Bill Cunningham, The Grand American live with you every Sunday night. Seeing once again the Bengals loss this afternoon, and as we said here on this Sunday night, there's no actual peace happening. And God, so there middly set more is going to happen tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday. So please pray for those special people in Israel going
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Bill Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, Jeff Crueir is a living legend in the great state of Louisiana. He's certainly a podcaster. He's written books, he's on radio. He thinks a lot. He has a lot of columns at town Hall dot com. I have one up the FBI faces along Road to Redemption and Jeff crue Air, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Before we talk about James Combe and all that kind of stuff, give me your sense of where we are. We're about four or
five days in in the government shutdown. All it would take is for the Democrats, five or six more Democrats in the Senates to say, you know what, enough is enough. We'll have a clean cr and we're going to vote for the same continuation of federal spending as we voted for in March. And this is the Biden budget that concluded on October I'm sorry, on September thirtieth, which is
the fiscal the US. So we're about a weekend of this thing right now, and they're Republicans saying, well, let's just keep the Biden budget going, and the Democrats are going nuts. Give me your perspective if any.
Yeah, I mean, I think the Democrats own this bill. I mean, I think the Democrats are going to cave eventually. Already three of them voted with the Republicans. And by the way, Fetterman is looking like the most reasonable Democrat in Congress. If only you had more Democrats like Setterment. But I do think they're going to they're going to cave eventually. I think they're going to get the heat.
I think Republicans should just stand firm. Democrats are trying to get in this what they couldn't get into one big beautiful bill, which is basically healthcare for illegals. So this is all on them. As you said, Schumer went ahead with the clean cr back in March. In the interim.
You got a lot of heat for doing that. AOC is breathing down his neck, and you know, it's politics, and he's worried about his position, and the left we hang is now with certain control, and you know this is what we end up with.
I kind of have to think, Jeff Career, how does this end? I assume it's going to be the next payday to miss they have the federal workers have not missed the payday yet. The last one was September thirtieth. The next one's the fifteenth, and so the paychecks are supposed to come. And in the past, well when these eighteen other shutdowns took place, they ever paid anyway. And so we until the fifteenth, there's nothing, nothing much to do.
So this could go on for a while, and this will give the Trumpster an opportunity to right size the federal government, the bureaucracy, be careful for what you wish.
Well, that's what he talked about doing it. It'll be an opportunity for him to make some serious cuts in government. I mean, we know the government's too big. I mean, Bill, we've got a thirty seven plus trillion dollar debt that we have to take care of. And the president has a unique opportunity here. It should take advantage of it. And the Democrats are in disarret. They are totally all over the board on the far far left. You don't have any voices of reason, really very few, and the
president is just driving them crazy. They're just filled with anger. And you know they're talking about the president being you know, mentally incompetence. I mean, of course they said nothing when Biden was president for four years. They just said he was sharp as attack. And now they're worried about the mental competence of the president. It's crazy.
A few days ago, ahead on Senator Ran Paul the only Republican in the Senate that voted against us. He voted with Chuck Schumer, and he said, look, the Republicans want to spend and borrow over this fiscal year, the one coming up, this one about two trillion dollars want to borrow that, and that Democrats want to borrow three trillion,
and either it's two or three trillion. At some point we're gonna have one hell of a problem in this country because if we're not the reserve currency, or if the other nations of the world and certain funds do not want to buy our debt, we're gonna need whalebarrels going to the grocery store to get a loaf of bread. And so doesn't Rand Paul have a point about borrowing under Trump's plan and additional two trillion dollars every year for the next several years. Doesn't he have a point?
He?
I mean, he has a great point. I mean I understand where he's coming from. I mean, I understand his fiscal common sense. I mean he's one of the few that really holds the line on spending. And he was one of the few voices that called athels during COVID. So I mean he's got a record as a truth teller. Problem is, of course, that you know, they don't have enough like him. I mean, he's out there on an Island and it's just him.
So I mean, we need.
More that are that are fiscally responsible and give him some you know, colleagues to work with. Right now, I mean, it's just Ran Paul on the Senate side. There's maybe one or two on the House side, but he's right. I mean, we've got to seriously reform spending. And that was one of the problems with the One Big Beautiful Bill is because of the added debt that it created. So that was a legitimate criticism, but you know, the Republicans said that they had to pass it otherwise we'd
have these massive tax increases which we can't allow. So you know, we were stuck well, and I probably would have voted for it too, because I wouldn't want to see any taxes go up either.
You know, my friend Congressman Tom Massey was the one in the House that said, no, we can't afford this. Maybe there's something in the water in the state of Kentucky, but nonetheless, part of it, part of this requirement of Chuck Schumer is that the five hundred million, the half of billion dollars be issued to NPR within three days of opening the government. And so I thought we had
that debate concluded. The NPR has its viewpoint. And the reason Democrats fight like warrior poets to keep NPR is because they're a democratic outlet. It's not well publicized. But the Democrats want five one hundred million dollars to refund NPR and PBS, and that's not been well publicized.
And we've got to stand firm against that because that's already been decided. They want to revisit all these things, Bill, which is what you're just talking about. By the way, do you know that none of these PBS and PR stations have gone out of business. I mean, all of them have been able to survive by asking their viewers and listeners to donate. So they just had to cut back some, but they're still on the air. None of
them have completely closed their doors. So they didn't need all of this federal large s. They didn't need it. So we've got to stand firm on that. We cannot be funding any entities that just present one side of views. This is supposedly for the whole country, and they're all their board, all their programming, all their executives are left wing, and we shouldn't be in the business of left wing propaganda. Jeff, for no question, back down on that bill. We can't back down.
You know, maybe they could fund you and me. Maybe they could fund certain parts of conservative maybe they conserve. Maybe they could fund conservative talk radio. That would never happen. And the reason they fight so hard for NPR and PBS, and the reason they fight so hard for late night comics the jimmies are unfunny is because they represent democratic viewpoints. And the reason they fight so hard for New York Times Washington Post is because they're the outlets of the
radical left. We have to get into this column here road on September twenty ninth, about the FBI faces along road to redemption. Let's go over the sins in the crimes of James Comy, going back at least to twenty sixteen. Explain that to the American people.
James Comy is a liar. He lied about the Steele dossier, He lied about Hillary Clinton's emails. He should have prosecuted her, but he didn't. He went after General Flynn in a very handed way. He basically is a tool of the left that was being used to try to bring down Donald Trump. He's lied. Now that they have charged him with perjury. He lied about what he did by you know,
slipping information to his friend who got it published. And what he was trying to do as he was walking out the door was to make sure that there would be a Muller investigation going after the president, and he successfully got this special counsel created, and you know he lied about it. So he's on record line as the President Trump posted, it should be easy to be able to, you know, get a conviction on this guy. The problem
is that the judge is a Biden appointed judge. So that's always seems to be something that the Democrats benefit from. The venue is a little bit different. It's in you know, eastern.
Virginia.
It's not in DC, thank goodness. So maybe we have a little bit better chance for justice. But the Democrats have such built in advantages from the judges, to the juries, to where the venues are. But this man is a disgrace.
Well, yeah, you're saying your column as FBI Director James Comey was a disaster. He should have charged Hillary Clinton, exonerated Donald Trump, and completely dismissed the bogus THEO dossier. He should never have authorized warrant applications based on lies or sanctioned that should be leaked to the New York Times, which was a crime. He summarily lied to Congress. In fact, even CNN and those who represent the far left wing have said, I've watched it. Well, James Comy lied. Of course,
he didn't tell the truth to Congress. But that's no big deal because a lot of people lie to Congress. So you have former US attorneys saying, well, of course he lied to Congress. But let's face it, everyone does, so it's okay. But just on the issue of charging Hillary Clinton, for those who forgot the summer of twenty sixteen, what did he say Hillary Clinton had done that should have resulted in her indictment for maybe thirty three thousand counts?
Yeah, I mean he went through the whole list of things that she had done. She lied, She lied over and over and over again about her thirty three thousand emails. But he made the bogus claim that no prosecutor would indict her, and that, of course is another lie right there, because I think any reasonable prosecutor would have He said that they wouldn't, so I mean he was covering for her.
Even though Hillary is upset with James Comy because he brought up the Anthony Wiener laptop toward the end of the campaign, and of course they went through the Anthony When Your Laptop in record time and was able to say that they went through it all and there was nothing there. But Hillary still has bitter towards James Comy, but nothing compared to Donald Trump is what he did with the pre So yeah, I think the president's happy about this indictment. I think the American people should be.
But he's not the only FBI director who's lied. His successor lied as well.
Christopher Ray. You say, no longer the f BAD director are facing the same legal problems as James coming. Didn't Christopher Ray lie about the two hundred and seventy five FBI agents and informants working the Capitol on January the sixth.
Yeah, he said he didn't believe that they were any He didn't believe that they were any and they were two hundred and seventy four. Now Cash Brittel later said that they were there, you know, after it had started for crowd control. Either way, Christopher Ray knew very well what was going on. I mean, we've been lied to about Jay six from the beginning Bill, you know about the pipe bombers, the whole way that these protesters were
allowed to, you know, go in there. They've just opened up the the barricades and allow them to go in and then charge them for that. And then there were instigators from Antifa and the police and the FBI, and these people were set up, a lot of them, and of course they were treated so horribly. And look at how that George Floyd protesters were treated with kid gloves.
Well, the one hundred thousand protesters on January the sixth, it was well known weeks in advanced planes, trains, buses, and cars. The FBI knew what was coming. In fact, they embedded these two hundred and seventy four or others into the various crowds, which is a good tactic. They used it with the Ku Klux Klan for a long time, but they would never use it with Antifa. But nonetheless,
that's a different story. But they knew, or should have known, exactly what was planned because their agents were involved with the groups coming to Washington to protest, and so of course they knew, and Christopher Ray acted as if we had no clue what was going on when they knew what was going to happen.
Yeah, and Christopher Rays, the guy who said that the biggest threat that we face is you know, white supremacists, that they're the biggest threat to America. I mean, what a joke, what a liar. And of course his handling of the Jay six thing has been atrocious from the very beginning. I'm hoping the cash Betel is going to give us some answers about the pipe bomber, about you know, the extent of these agents. Some good things are going on.
We got rid of some of the folks who were kneeling when the whole George Floyd mess was going on that we're trying to show there Christs for social justice. Those folks have been fired. So that's a good step in the right direction.
He's going to be a rain comb. He's going to be a rain on October the ninth. Now, lastly, you have a great part of your column that deals with Charlie Kirk, and you haven't hear about Charlie Kirk and the text messaging tether and fro that we need information now about Charlie Kirk and talk about what you would like to see happened with the a Sassin of Charlie Kirk mounting questions I need to answer.
Yeah, I think there are a lot of questions. Bill. I receive videos every day from people that are poking holes in the official narrative. I mean, we could spend hours going through all the different theories that people have sent me. There does seem to be a lot of distrust about the official narrative. And you know why, because
you know, we've been lied to over the years. I mean, we have not been told the truth about so many things, from weapons of mass destruction to COVID to in my opinion, the election and you know JA six, on and on and on. So people are obviously distrustful. We're hoping Cash Betel and Dan Bongina, we're bringing integrity back to the FBI, but we know that there's so many deep state folks embedded in there. So there are questions that I'm hearing about.
You know, the videos that have been released about the shooter, about the text messages. A lot of people just don't buy the text messages, don't think that that's how twenty two year olds communicate, and their holes in the timeline build the timeline doesn't really add up when you look at the timeline. So it just is, you know, we just need more information. We need to have more disclosure
about what happened. This is a man who is a hero to millions of Americans, and he was known to millions of Americans and now he's gone, and there needs to be full disclosure about you know, where we stand as far as the investigators, well.
To me, the biggest hole to me are the drones. According to one report, I saw the six to ten members of Charlie Kirk's security team when they went to the site. They looked up and saw three or four buildings about two hundred yards away, and they said, we
have to get those buildings covered. They were thinking about the assassination attempt on Donald Trump and Butler County, Pennsylvania, and so they were said, we have drone technology with us, and we can put drones over the top of those buildings where a sniper might be, and we can monitor who's on the roof and the roof, and the security team for Charlie Kirk was told by campus police, we'll have that covered, don't worry about it, and look what happened.
Well, and I've been told that there was like six policemen from the university that were at the event, I mean six and we had I mean thousands of people that were there. So there was a massive error in the security, just like there was in Butler, Pennsylvania. And I mean, I think a lot of us still have questions about the Secret Service, and some recent incidents have occurred that have raised more questions about the Secret Service.
So I think again people are distrustful of the official narratives that they're hearing, and you know, we need to get to the bottom of what happened here. So were we being told that there was just another quote unquote loan wold Wolf who was able to get all done by himself, right, get up there, disassemble the rifle, get down somehow, get it in the woods, in the woods, and then to.
Be discovered, to be discovered there and take it with him to be discovered. And I'm thinking, where are the drones? What assassin leaves the weapon behind this, assembles it, leaves it in the woods, go back. I don't get it. Jeff Currer, let's keep the lines open of communication, uh, New Orleans, and your columns are always at town Hall And Jeff Creweir dot net and Jeff continue to question. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and Jeff, you're a great American.
Thank you always a pleasure.
Thank you, Bill.
Let's continue with more drones. We got that covered and it wasn't and Charlie Kirk is dead. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday Night by Billy Cunningham. And I brought this up at the end of the interview with Jeff Kruer. And by the way, coming up next is Jeff Gilson about certain criminal activities imposed upon the Trump administration by others.
But the time I spent with Jeff Careary briefly is that there was drone technology that was normally used at a Charlie Kirk rally, especially when buildings are like a sniper's nest, especially after Butler County, PA. And according to one media account news account, the administrative team and the security team for Charlie Kirk went to the site a few days at a time said those buildings have got to be covered. We have drones. We can send up the drones and then we can monitor the drones in
real time on our laptop. And the police told Charlie Kirk's team don't worry about that. We'll get that covered, and somebody did not get it covered. I think I have trust in faith and now the FBI and especially Dan Bond JNI to do what's right. But someone's got to answer the question. It's all these loose ends about the assassin and how it happened, who helped, who cooperate, etc. But why those building tops could easily have been covered and they were not. To me as a major fook.
Let's continue with more. Jeff Gilson is next. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night. Let's continue now, Bill Cunningham, the great American. The media, the left wing media, is going crazy over the indictment of James Comy, and having read the indictment, there were three counts proposed by the Prosecutor's office. On the third count there wasn't a true bill returned to Northern Virginia. But on the other two counts there were true bill's returned against James Comy, the
first FBI director ever to be indicted on anything. And the media has got on the side of James Comy, largely saying why this should not take place. So I thought we'd get perspective on this from Jeff Gilson. He's a retired attorney developmental consultant and he began his career crafting speeches for Margaret Thatcher and leverages dual a US and British citizenship to navigate all the elite political circles between the US and the UK. And Jeff Gilson, Welcome
to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Jeff, can you just give the overview to the American people? What are the two counts, what are the facts supporting each and why is this such a politically hot football.
Well, Bill, I'm not sure how much time to have. I'll tell you what I will do basically for your listeners. They're probably much like me, even though I'm steepness kind of thing. There's a lot of confusing stuff going on, and we could spend some time talking about the detail. I will ask your listeners to do something different. All right, the two counts and it's a very short indictment. It's two pieces of bapies. One he lied to Congress, two
he instructed justice. That's all anybody needs to know at this stage. Beyond I ask your listeners to do that if they can remember about ten years rely Fanks on your memory, because this, I think is what is very crucial here. So let's be immediate. You're absolutely right getting all up in arms about the indictment. First thing, Trump didn't indict Comy. Bondy didn't indict tromy You.
Didn't indict him.
I didn't indict him. A grand jury indicted him. That's the process. Let's trust the process. What's happening is too many people are undermining the process when it's ues their political convenience. Convenience, A grand jury indicted tromy Comy. Next thing, there will be a trial. Let's leave it to the trial to examine the facts. But in the meantime, rather than trying to understand all of the counter allegations flying around, trust your memory. What can is accused of doing is this.
He is accused of lying as saying that he never leaked any information in twenty sixteen about an investigation into collusion between Trump and Russia, and that when he lied, he instructed justice. All right, guys, cast your mind. By twenty sixteen, first election Trump got elected, do we remember that there was talk about an investigation into Trump and
Russia and collusion. Yes, we all remember that was the news in the summer twenty sixty, right, Bill, it came from somewhere, either Comy leaked it, or he authorized someone to leak it, or he was so upset he authorized an FBI investigation into the league till the latter happened. No, so you're left with the other two folks.
It's that simple.
It has to be proven in court, but we knew about it. So that's that's the first thing. Now, look basically, that's it. Rely on your memory. Don't get get get sidetracked by this. For instance, one of the things floating around is that the process of the grand jury wasn't proper. Okay, we need to stop doing this. Both sides need to stop doing this. There's legal process and it shouldn't be undermined. Yes, but Trump politicized it no more than Biden and Obama did.
In twenty twenty four, there was a poll, one of many in the summer of twenty twenty four. We're sixty percent of Americans, not sixty percent of MAGA, not sixty percent of Republicans. Sixty percent of Americans said that the four indictments and ninety one charges against Donald Trump was overkilled. I mean it was political.
Now, no question, and Jeff Gilson on that we'll deal with Trump here in a moment. I'm watching a few days ago. Congressman used to be Congressman Adam Kinsinger of Illinois, who was a Republican. He went to the Iraqi War. Now he's an advisor to CNN. And one of the classic throwaway comments he made is that we all know, of course James Comy lied to Congress. Then he's but everyone does that, therefore it's I guess he meant to
imply it's okay. And then CNN played the cuts of Senator Chuck Grassley asking specific questions to James Comy under oath in which there was a disparity, according to seeing a disparity between what Comy had testified to on one hand and reality on the other. In other words, Adam Kinzinger not a Trump supporter at all. Adam Kinzinger said, of course he lied, but everyone lies to Congress, therefore
it's okay. And I'm thinking to myself, well, if ten banks are robbed and you arrest the arm robbers for one of the ten, you let him go free because the other nine were not arrested. The answer is no, and so comy in my view. On one side, the Democrats indicted Donald Trump repeatedly out of Atlanta, New York City and federally in two different jurisdictions that carried about
seven hundred years in jail. And they did that according to the American people, and I believe that, as a former assistant Attorney general, that it was done for political reasons to stop him from running. And the media didn't cover it, how ridiculous it was to indict Donald Trump. They were cheerleaders on this hand, the media saying, how ridiculous is it to indict James Gami? How come the media is so inconsistent other coverage of these criminal investigations.
Well, the reason for that, for that is that these people are hoping that the rest of us don't remember back ten years. Let's go back to it. Let's go back to our memory after this business, after we knew that in the summer twenty sixteen, there were these leaks about Trump and the Russian collusion, which Muller eventually debunked
two years later. People forget that in January of twenty seventeen, when Obama was still in the office and Democrats would like to pretend there was no politicization of the DOJ, the non politicized Obama DOJ and in collusion with Coney at that time January twenty seventeen investigated and indicted Michael Flynn for exactly the same charges facing Kobe Line and obstruction. So if Kittinger is saying no one ever does anything
about it, now, lots so true. You started it, and in fact, in fact that the Democrats.
Yeah, is it fair to say the Democrats were the party when Trump was in the White House and out of the White House that launched these investigations resulting in indictments. And not just Donald Trump got indicted. There were thirty to forty others the National Seat. There were all kinds of regular people who were around the Trump orbit, and they wanted to indict them. I know how the game
is played to testify against Donald Trump. Then deals would be offered to everyone around Donald Trump to get him. Is that correct?
Well again, Bill, they like to think that we don't remember. Yeah, we all remember twenty three twenty four when JACKSONI and let Titia James and Fannie Willis, all of whom have been proven to have been colluding. Let's use that word. With Biden's DOJ, the legicization of the DOJ, all of them were trying to find people who would do deals. Michael Cohen. Anybody remember Michael Cohen, and he remember anyone
remembered the fact he was offered a deal. Look, Bill, you and I you have your experience, I have mine. We all of us want to see this stopping. We all of us want to see the constitution and the rule of law in the United States made sacrisagged again. But for the Democrats to say it's only the Republicans and it's revenge is rubbish. This was started with delegitimizing elections and then with then politicizing the DOJ. That started under Obama, with Clinton and the Steve dossier. He carried
on through Flynn. He carried on under Donald Trump when for two years Muller special counsel held out that Donald Trump was definitely going to be found guilty occlusion and then came out and said no, he wasn't. In then continuing under Biden Hunter Biden and the interference there and he continued with his pardon what we want to see is this stop? But it is not the case in my opinion, and I'll tell you something, Bill. I'm a liberal, I'm not a Republican. I didn't vote for Donald Trump.
But what I have seen with Donald Trump is not that he's acting in revenge. He is merely picking up what happened in twenty sixteen. Well, people will say, why didn't he do that during his first term, because for two years at least the national security and law enforcement apparatus of Washington worked against him. James Clapper, Brennan Comy until he was fired, were all undermining his presidency. I'm not making this up.
As a liberal.
At the time, I wrote about this and said, people, what are we doing? This is not the way this is space to happen. Why are national security and dog people briefing against their president? Trump is now their president. That happened for two yearsn't it? Whilst until Muller came out pale faced and said there was no Russian pollusion, the people got a shock and suddenly realized that something else has been going on. It has nothing happened during Biden.
It is only now that Trump and his loyal loyalists, unless he's appointed people who were loyal because the people who were there before weren't loyal. It is only now that he is starting to turn to this and it's been what ten months. Ten months isn't a long time. It took Jack Smith three years to indict We're not Jack Smith, but the DOJ three years to indict Donald Trump. So he's moving as fast as he can. Tony is only the beginning. It will continue with the Steele dossier,
It will continue with Tulsey Gabbard's ICA report. This is only the beginning. And what everyone needs to do, in fact, with most matters political vote, is calm down and start trusting the process again.
Jeff Gilson, I'm glad you admitted you're a liberal that didn't vote for Trump. Therefore your opinion mays may have more credibility than others. I would point out that a Keem Jeffries, the House Minority leader, said a few days ago, you know what goes around comes around. Whoever's involved in indicting James Coney. At some point we're going to be back in charge, and Donald Trump's wait a minute, goes
around comes around. Now I'm coming the round because it's already happened to me and all my people wants, and at some point doesn't the madness have to stop at some point, at some point, the two parties got to stop it.
Exactly, Bill and Frankly, I thank you for pointing up back to my liberal because I'll put my hand up and say this. I'll be the first. Let's get off the bandwagon. Let's stop this. This is doing nothing but causing people to lose trust in their government. In great Brittany, I picked up. I have an English accent. I'm an American citizen, but I was born and raised in England. We have a term that I really a joy. It's
called the loyal opposition. You fight an election, you fight it with passion, you fight it with honor, and when you lose, you shake hands and you say we're going to be on your tail. We're going to oppose you, but we're going to do it loyally. We are loyal to the people. No one is being loyal to the people. With both sides at the moment are engaged in the screaming and the sloganeering, but particularly led by the Democrats. Well the Democrats ought to be saying, is we did this,
we knew it was going to come around. We'll keep trust the trial, Well wait till that happens, Let's get on and avoid the shutdown, right, That's what they ought to be doing.
You know, it used to be that the Democrats and Republicans. You may have more of a British orientation, but for decades centuries, the parties fought like crazy. The results of the election were known, and then Democrats and Republicans in the Senate of the House will get together and say, look, let's put aside our political garb for the next year and a half to two years. We'll worry about the next election a year from November, and let's fight find
out how we can work together. That didn't work anymore. Well, I think what happened in twenty sixteen when Trump was elected. It was a shock to the system. The system did not believe he could win. And the system knew what they had done to Donald Trump, and they feared that when Trump got into power on January twenty seventeen, he would discover what the Democrats had done. So they kept the investigations going and kept the hunting going to ruin
and to make him possible. Donald Trump going back in time doing diict those responsible for all the crap that he went through in twenty sixteen, and so they were successful to an extent. For the next four years, lots of stuff occurred. COVID happened. Near the end, you had the Moler investigation resulting in nothing. He was impeached two times, and then all of a sudden, the system said, wait a minute. In twenty I don't know twenty one twenty two,
what happens if Trump runs for reelection. Oh my gosh, he's going to find out again what we've done to him, So we better go after him hard. So Fanny Willis, Nathan Wade, the New York prosecutors all had meetings in the White House to coordinate indictments, including in the state of Arizona. Alvin braggs is center of New York City, to indict Trump and everyone around him to make sure he didn't get back in power. And a boomeranged on him,
a boomerang Jeff Gilson. The American people said, this looks terrible, this is wrong. I think part of the reason Trump won in twenty twenty four was what the Democrats did him in twenty one and twenty two. Sitting in that thirty filthy New York City courtroom, I had on his son, Eric Trump quite often talking about his father will not break. And then he was found guilty. He was guilty of some I don't know, forty or ninety some counts resulting
in probation and nothing else. And so the Democrats played the game and lost. In twenty sixteen, they said, oh my god, here he comes again. Let's get him indict it. And then he won again. Now he'll cut He's coming back now with vengeance. And I think that's the difference. Vengeance.
Well, you know what, you know what a bill I'm reminded of. There's no one else there, He's ryan else. But I'll introduce it. South Africa, Nelson Mandala released from prison and a black majority government and there was peaceing and there wasn't the civil war people were expecting. And I read of a meeting in one of the conferences between a white delegation and the black delegation about what should be done? How do we start talks? And the
black leader, the leader who eventually killing president of Sada. Yeah, no, it was a guy called Mbikie. The This is while the Mandela was set of prison, and then Biki went to the white leader and said, look, what do we need to do to get talk starting. Why won't you start? Why won't you start the talks? And the white guy finally admitted. He said, we're terrified you'll never forgive us right right. And then Biki said, what do you need? And I came back and said, I've spoken with my
president and he says, what are your terms? What are your conditions start talks? And Abiki looked a him in the eyes said none, There are no conditions. The past is past has billed a future. Amen, that's what we need Bill to do. Now, I'm reminded of something else. Maybe people will remember this. I remember and it's not just a story. It's true. At the end of every day in the eighties, Tip O'Neill would go to the White House, go into the Oval office and sit down
with Ronald Reagan and have a glass of scotch. That politics has been lost and we need to find it again.
Jeff Gilson no one. Yeah, your column is excellent and the headline is Comy Island former FBI director goes from top cop to castaway maroon and legal waters. I encourage people to get it. I love what you said about South Africa and about Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan. We need that back. Mutually assured destruction, cease fire. Let's move on. Jeff Gilson, I love this interview. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Jeff, you're a great American.
Thank you very much. Thank you, Bill, God bless you. Let's continue. That guy's got it right right there, and this is revenge, but at some point it's got to stop. Go Cunningham the Great American. Live with you every Sunday Night by Billy Cunningham the Great American. Thanks for listening tonight. Loved hearing from Reverend Lucas Miles. One of the confidents of Charlie Kirk from Turning Point, USA book is the Pagan Threat, and the pagan threat is on college campuses.
The pagan threat is out of Hollywood, the pagan threat is in the mayor's position and some police departments. The pagan threat is everywhere, and to get the book and understand the police do. Also, I want to thank especially Erica Sonsey of parents defending education about Ian Roberts and
things of that character. How could that happen? How could he fall He fell through the ranks in Des Moines Iowa as a felon as a superintendent of schools because of his life story and because of his race, and the white liberals that run the school district into mine, eyes glazed over their head thinking about DEI Principles and somebody from Guyana, and they were responsible to properly screen
this guy, and they failed to do so. Also, of course, I want to thank Jeff crue Air from New Orleans about the Komy situation is going to be arrained, I think on Thursday of this week. But as I said earlier tonight, I'd like to know more about how why was Charlie Kirk left so vulnerable in that position, and why weren't the tops of those buildings covered, much as I like to know why the top of the building wouldn't cover when Donald Trump came within a half an
inch of being murdered. That thing is also rather quiet, and I do trust Cash Ptel and Dan BoNT you to give us the truth about Charlie Kirk. Let's continue with more next Sunday Night. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday Night.