And welcome to the Nightcap.
The new fall season continues night number two getting underway. I'm Gary Jeff Walker, and you're tuned into seven hundred WLW and tonight, as we begin, I'm reflecting on what
happened two years ago in the country of Israel. Can you imagine your son, or your daughter, or your grandchildren at a music festival, now pick one Bonnaroo, enjoying a beautiful day, enjoying the music that they like to listen to, enjoying each other's company, and taking a break from the rest of this crazy, chaotic world.
When all of a sudden, out of.
Nowhere, a band of maraudering mongrels disguised as human beings attack, A bloodthirsty attack, a murderous attack.
Have you forgotten?
Is it been too long to really keep that in the front of your mind? These people, and it's a stretch to call them human beings. The Hamas terrorists did this in Israel two years ago today at a music festival, and along the way they took hostages. The ones that they didn't kill, some two hundred and fifty people were taken captive and taken into enemy territory i e.
The Gaza Strip, where to this.
Moment there were still at least twenty who were alive who were still being held by these mongrels disguised as human beings known as Hamas terrorists.
It's been two years.
If it had been two days, it would have been too long that they've been allowed to carry on this murderous mayhem.
It is time for that to end.
It is time for the hostages to be returned, both the living and the dead, and it is time for people of common human decency to say, you know what, this wasn't Israel's fault, and whatever Israel needs to do now to eradicate Hamas from the face of the earth needs to be done. Will they lay down their weapons?
Will they return the hostages? Who knows their cowards disguised as freedom fighters has nothing to do with the Palestinian people, whatever you want to call them, they call themselves that we will for the sake of again civility two years ago today and it's still going on. It looks like there's hope of an end in sight, and hopefully it's
a peaceful one. But if Israel needs to do something that's not peaceful to finally complete this job, and get rid of this scourge not only on the Middle East but the world hamas so be it food for thought, don't eat too much.
Got a good show tonight.
We'll be talking with Bob Rob here in a minute from the East Fork region of the Kowanas Club about the Fields of Honor that they are undertaking again in
November and how you can participate. Dave Hadner Morrow of the John Birch Society, Judd Dunning will be here, Doctor Carol Lieberman, America's psychiatrist, Ryan Wood, Lady Maga USA, Michael Letts from Invest USA, and the fur Ball All before midnight sit Back Liz gets started, we'll talk to Bob Rob coming up next on the nightcap on seven hundred WLW. As I mentioned at the top of the show, Bob
Rob is joining us. He is with the East Fork East Fork region of the Kawanas Club, which I'm not exactly sure where that is, and I'm sure he'll instruct me in just a moment as we get started, but we're talking about the Fields of Honor and again this year, this effort puts American flags up to honor our veterans and our fallen and I think it's a fantastic thing and they could use your help. So out any more on my part, let's talk to the man himself, Bob, Rob, Good evening, Bob.
How are you?
I am just fine. How are you today?
Good?
Good?
Good?
So tell me the Kawanas Club of the East Fork Region. Where exactly is that?
Well, the club serves a broad area of eastern Claremont County, primarily surrounding the East Fork State Park. Cool and when the club was formed six years ago, there was a lot of discussion of how do we call ourselves, and since we had members from the communities surrounding the park, the decision was made to officially title our club the Kawanas Club of e Fork Region. And we have members from Batavia, the Amelia area, Williamsburg, the New Richmond, Owensville, Williamsburg.
I think I said, all around around the park.
How long have you been involved with the Fields of Honor ever since your inception as a club?
Well, not quite, not quite. Our club actually formed right at the right before COVID, and of course that first year was tough for everyone and we managed to work through that. We became aware of the Fields of Honor program, which is a function of the Colonial Flag Foundation out of Sandy, Utah.
About five years ago.
This this will be our fifth year doing Fields of.
Honor in Claremont County.
All right, fantastic, Now the effort starts, actually, tell me the first of November. November first, right, is when you will.
Will officially open our Fields of Honor on November first this year, with opening ceremonies beginning at eight thirty.
In the morning on Saturday.
And we go sequentially from one field to the next and repeat the opening ceremonies four times during that Saturday. So we have fields in Batavia, in Union Township, in Bethel, and at Williamsburg. So at eight thirty at Bethel, ten o'clock, Union Township, Bethel is eleven thirty am, and then Williamsburg is at one am, one.
Pm, one pm.
And then the flag. The flags will fly throughout the month of November. We take them down on the first of December.
It's such a wonderful tribute to those who have given their all for our country and for that flag.
Bob.
For people who've never experienced it or don't know about Fields of Honor, can you explain a little bit more of what you do. You just mentioned putting up the American flags and letting them fly at these separate fields in your region. But this is a nationwide effort, and just give us a little bit more background behind Fields of Honor and what it means.
Well.
Fields of Honor started with the Colonial Flag Foundation, as I mentioned, immediately following the events of nine to eleven many years ago, and in Sandy, Utah, they actually do a nine.
To eleven Fields of Honor.
I think they call it Fields of Healing where they fly one American flag for every person that lost their life on nine to eleven at one location. So just imagine thousands of full sized American flags on flagpoles.
It's awesome.
We became aware of this program, like I said, some years ago, and we thought that it would be really important.
To show some tribute to.
Those folks in Claremont County who have served our nation as members of the armed forces or as first responders actually serving within our communities. They should not necessarily be play second fiddle, if you will, to our military veterans, because they're just as important and in many cases more important than our military. We started this with the whole idea of just doing a display of American flags to
honor them during the month of November. Of course, Veterans Day falls within November, and it's a fitting time, that's correct. It's a fitting time to honor members of our armed forces and veterans, those that had served or who are serving, and also the first responder. So we picked that particular month to do our fields of honor. And then, of course the big question was, because our service area is
fairly large, what community do we place it in? And we quickly came to the realization that we couldn't limit it just to one location, and that's how we ended up doing four and in each of these locations on November first, if you visit those fields, you will see you about one hundred and twenty five flags in each location.
To honor those that have served.
We also give the public an opportunity to maybe bring the whole situation a little bit closer to themselves by dedicating a flag to a veteran or to a first responder, maybe a family member, a neighbor, a coworker, somebody that know that they knew that maybe is no longer with us. I know that personally, I honor a flag for my dad's service during World War Two, and he has passed on many years ago. But without him and a bunch of his friends, our world would be a whole lot different today.
We'd be speaking German or Japanese, and we certainly wouldn't enjoy the freedoms that allow us to honor them like you guys are doing there with the Kawana's Club.
You're quite accurate.
I think.
The other thing that I find pretty interesting is that Kawana says an organization focuses on helping children, and so the question that's often asks, why are we doing these flags?
How does that help kids? And a personal story is when my daughter was very was just born, maybe her first year of life, we took her to a we went to a Veteran's Day parade in the community in which we lived, and my wife said, how do we teach our child to experience the meaning of an American flag marching past in a parade or listening to the national anthem, whether it be on TV or at a ballgame. How many people experience the you know, the kind of a chill that goes up their spine when that kind
of event happens, And how do we teach that? And and it quickly came to through our minds that we need to talk about patriotism. We need to expose our children to those kinds of events and then have a conversation tell them what it means to serve. And so we feel as a quantus club that when we plant those flags out in the field of in this day or will be putting the flags out October thirty first, when we put a flag in the ground on a flagpole, we're planting a seed for patriotism and that flag can
become a conversation starter. Hopefully it does, and many many many families between children and parents. Kids might say, Dad, what are all those flags doing there? Therefore the conversation can begin. Or parents can bring their children out to the opening ceremonies on November first and have a conversation.
Or better yet, if you dedicate a flag to a family member, maybe to an uncle or a aunt or a grandpa, or you can bring your you can bring your child out to that field and you can find the dedication tag that will be attached to one of the flags, and you can say, this flag is dedicated to Grandpa who served during the Vietnam War, or who who served maybe as a firefighter or it's a policeman.
What you're saying is so to the point, Bob, is that our kids today are exposed to so many things, are indoctrinated against patriotism. In many cases, we've seen time the time that they just have no idea what they're talking about, especially the ones that are cheering socialism. They don't understand what socialism is, but they don't understand what it means to be a patriotic American. They don't understand
what civics are because they're not taught those. So it is up to the parents and the grandparents too, as you said, teach them and show them and start this conversation. And the best place is in the home and in the community is certainly not from the government. And there are adults right now. There are people who are living adult lives twenty one, twenty two years old who weren't alive during nine to eleven and have no real reconnection, recollection,
or connection with what happened on nine to eleven. And why this patriotism and this unity among Americans is so important for the continuance of the country. So I'm with you one hundred percent. If people want to dedicate a flag, or if they want to help or volunteer in any way, how can they contact you at Kawanas Club of East Fork or just come visit with you on November first.
Well, a good way to do it is to visit our website www. East Forkkowanas dot org and there is a section there on our landing page about our fields of honor. I will give you my phone number, my five one three seven three five nine one seven one. You can call me, pass along your email address. I can email you a dedication form and for a small donation, we will create a tag specifically dedicated to a veteran that you may know or a first responder that you
they know that you'd like to honor. You can select which which location you'd like that flag, that dedicated flag flown in. And that's again in Batavia's out by the Sheriff's office on two twenty two Union Township. It's in the the on the grounds of the West Claremont High School, and in Bethel at the Bethel Tate Middle School, and in Williamsburg at the old High School location downtown Williamsburg.
We're short on time. Give that email real quickly again, and we'll at some point we'll do some recount on this before it actually occurs.
What's what's the email?
W The email you can send it to r Rob R r aub at aol dot com on the West, and the website is www. Eastpokkuanas dot com.
All right, Bob Rob, thank you so much. I think it's a fantastic effort and I'm happy to let you talk about it tonight.
Take care, thanks much. All right, you got it.
The Nightcap continues right after News, which is now on seven hundred WLW. It is the night half the new fall season continues after Reds Baseball. Gary Jeff Walker back with you on seven hundred WLW, and in this segment, we will have demand behind invest USA helping protect law enforcement and standing behind our first responders all the way
as they have from the very beginning. And a guy knows a little bit about law enforcement after a long career in it, and what the challenges are the law enforcement and we as a public seeking safety are facing right now that maybe.
More dire than you think.
Michael Letts from invest USA, Good evening and welcome to the show.
Mike.
Good to have you back always be with you. It's an honor, and thank you so much for the opportunity.
All right, first, let let's go ahead, get the plug for invest USA out of the way, right off the top, and then we can talk about some serious issues that are more serious than people even know from news reports about what is going on in our cities and still even in our nation's capital. Michael, but first tell tell folks about invest USA and how they might participate.
Well, I will tell you this to invest USA was started with thirty years ago to make sure our officers had the opportunity to come home safely to their families, that they had necessary ballistic protection i e. Bullouper evets. When we first started thirty years ago, fifty two percent of cops had no VEST. Period, got that down to nineteen percent. And then, of course the cartels from the open border situation all began to use not just handguns
but long range rifles to complete their various activities. So we had to stop with great new technology called ackers shooter this that are stopped both a handgun analog range trifle. Unfortunately, Gary, ninety of cops across the country do not have this necessary equivalent to say their own lives. It strug me as I watched officers rushing into the actors shooter that we had at the Catholic church in the Midwest, just all over the place. They're running in wearing the old
concealable vest. It's all they have. Realizing that the call came out for an actors shooter. He hasn't killed himself. They could be a big trouble, but you have to share willing to put their lives on the line to defend and protect you and I every day, and that's certainly what American hero is all about.
Yep.
I mean, that's that's the number one thing that you've seen it maybe in movies or police shows, but it happens in actual precincts all around the country every day. At the morning call the sergeant, you know, the last words he says is come home safe. And that's what your focus is with invest USA, is that they come home safe to their families and their homes and live to fight the good fight another day.
Well, Michael, let's.
Some examples that you say you have you guys have uncovered of not just the violent rhetoric coming mostly from the left places like Antifa and many democrats just falling in line because they think that those are their constituents and not the rest of the American people, the American public.
But that the violent rhetoric that has been spouted about Donald Trump, about law enforcement, about ice officers, with the crackdown and the illegal immigration in this country that is going on currently, and the surge of violent crime in these Democrat led cities, the violent rhetoric from politicians and these other groups is leading to actual violence that we've never seen in this country, maybe not not even during the Summer of No Love in twenty twenty and going
back to the Civil War when the country was literally torn apart and you know, at longer heads with each other, brother against brother and the like. We're seeing violence like that now, and you guys have uncovered some incidents that maybe aren't widely publicized.
Tell me about some.
Of that, right, let me tell you. Let's give a quick overview. Gary. Of course, the leftist liberals are curious that they are out of power. They have lost their ability to control, and so they're willing to do anything necessary to gain it back. They're so full with hatred and bitterness that they've lost power, but they no longer have the ability to think we rationally And so how
did this start out? Well, they were hoping, course of all, they can't have anything favorable for the Trump administration because that impedes their ability to gain power back. So initially they thought, hey, we've got a great cause here. Yeah, he's trying to reduce crime. They know that he accomplishes that. That's certainly a big plus for Republicans, so they don't want that to happen. But they figured out the best way to counter that was just to say, well, he's
been an authoritarian dictator. They're using people's rights coming in, taking small kids off the street, taking poor innocent immigrants who were trying to make a better way of life, and hoping that just going out and demonstrating and just talking about that would change the tide problem that they didn't realize the Americans are sick and fed up, but having to foot the bill to give them special eventings, these illegal immigrants, housing, food, you name it, we're paying
for it. We can't afford it for our own selves. So that just rhetoric didn't work, so they appt it up a not so, let's you rhetoric plus a little bit of impedible. You're going to stand in the street, blocked traffic, et cetera. Well, that didn't help. We've just made an American sentiens even matter.
So then then de side stepping up a step.
Further, We're going to not just stand on the street, We're going to start harassing people, vandalizing property. That didn't work. So now they've gone to the next stage. They're actively attacking our law enforcement officers. And I guess to where we're at today. We just had it over the weekend in Chicago, a situation just first time in history. We tell you, I'm still in shock at what happened. We had thirty Ice agents. They were headed to a facility
and this is a coordinated attack. They had to members use large vehicles to suddenly pull out in front of them, block them, and when they blocked their ability to move, they box them in. A female Antiphone member with a large SUV actually gone to her vehicle and brammed one of them the vehicles being used by When she jumped down, she had a semi automatic weapon and began to fire
on them. The call went out Officers in distress, which is a universal call, and this is what I'm saying, the first time in history, when that call goes out art, you drop what you're doing. If I'm writing your ticket, you're having a great day because I'm gone. I'm immediately headed take care of an officer who's in distress, are
trying to save a life. The call went out, the officers in Chicago PD immediately responded, and as they're radioing in their response on the way, suddenly over the radio, the Deputy chief issues and a director of stand down. We are not going to assist any ice officers or any federal officers.
That's absolutely discussed. What a dereliction of duty that is.
Now, I'm just a dereliction that dude gave. That's the first time in history you're going to tell me that we're going to allow officers that are pinned down. So what do they do? The thirty officers had jumped out and had to pull out their automatic weapons and create a perimeter until we can get up somebody else in there to get them out for the never been happened in history before. As an officer, this call for distress.
Michael, Michael, this is exactly why President Trump is right on the use of National Guard and federal troops going into this area. This was actually in Broadview, Illinois, which is a suburb of Chicago.
Correct, where the ICE facility is.
Okay, But this is exactly why the National Guard needs to be allowed. Federal troops need to be allowed into there to protect those federal troops and the federal facility that is there. That is, and all all the ICE troops, all all the ICE personnel are doing are enforcing federal law, that all existing federal law. That's all they're doing. And they should be able to do that without fear that that they're going to be attacked and ambushed in this way with.
No help from the Chicago PD.
That's that's what's the first time in history, first time in history.
Now to show you.
How it gets worse scary, and people say, oh, you're you're old racket. One time. It's one time. It's now. Let's talk about what just happened last night that nobody knows about you. It hasn't been reported. I understand that Fox News is just not picking up, uh, the reports that are coming out the mana Tree media wanted to ignore this. We discovered yesterday.
You're talking about you're talking about you're talking about Sunday Sunday. Yep, okay Sunday.
All right, three three locations in d C. This is just DC. Now remember we've done a great job of queaning on d C. Yeah, three locations.
Uh.
One was a location uh and a church in the northern part of d C. The Catholic Church who were preparing for a red mask. What is a red mask. It's a thing that they do for your use who are part of the Catholicism or Catholic Church old and annual in October the seventh Day, to remember the massacres that occurred and to pray for peace. And so they have tents that you know, people set up got in front of the church because you have large lard crowds. Well, they got a call that there was a tenth that
they didn't recognize. So the MPO went over there and said, hey, where's your digit's license? Was your think? He got combative, so they had to arrest it. When they searched the tenth, they found four and senatory ied explosive devices there down the street. This is close down to the White House. I think it's called Saint Constantine's a Catholic church. They got a Kip went there.
Four more.
They went to the fire station that's beyond hind the White House in that district. Four more. Now, let me explain to you that you listen to what we're talking about. We're talking about incendiary and explosive devices. We're not talking about something that gives somebody a second degree burn on the forum. And that's it.
Yeah, we're not We're not talking about we're not talking about Antifa or these pro Hamas protesters firing fireworks. These are actual bombs that were used against our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
That is correct, And they will take out hundreds, They will take out the entire church in half of the block with it. So we're talking about now this thing is escalated where they're looking to do major terrorist attacks.
And this is just in DC.
You remember we're cleaning up BC. We're concerning now we've gottenn intel that they're in the process of looking to create additional terist attacks all across the country, stage on Rabbits succession, to create panic and fear across the country. This issue of hiding behind We're just trying to defend poor people who are trying to make a better way of life is a bunch of bunk.
And I can Michael, and I cannot help but believe that the four years of an unvetted, unpatrolled border and free flow illegal immigration into this country has not fueled this.
I mean, there.
Are terror cells all over this country that were let in during the Biden administration.
I know that that's true.
At least one hundred and twenty that we're aware, possibly more. Yeah, and they're in a process. Now. We've spent these years under the Bidens administration organizing, preparing, mapping out plans. People say, well, just go pick them all up. There's what you hear a little tuckle in my voice. We're trying to of just known forget terrorists, just known criminals that are here illegally.
You look what we're in kind of of the people with a deranged s called the during Trump syndrome that would rather have people in this country murder and kill their fellow citizens than to have them picked up for breaking the law and deported and dealt with acquarding with Well, this.
Is this is why, this is why President Trump decreed by executive order that Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization because it fits all of the all of the definitions of a terrorist organization, and it should be outlawed. They should be arresting they should be arresting Antifa members in this country simply for being members of Antifa. It's a terrorist organization, period, end of story. And Black Lives Matter isn't far behind.
You're exactly right, You're nor is trendy EDUA. They've already been declared as a domestic organization enemy combatants as well as the cartels. And here's what it's so frustrating. The Tenth Amendment clearly has two provisions that military course is authorized on American soil. Would you either have a national emergency as declared by the president is sole discretion for whatever he feels like that is that has emergency, or
there are enemy combatants on American soil. Imagine the ludicrocy of there are the less argument that in World War Two, had we had Nazi German shoulders or the Empire of Japan's soldiers on American soil, but we said, oh, well, you know they're on American soil, so we can't have American troops do anything because American troops are not allowed on American soil. And it's just ludicrous their thought. They're trying their activist judges. They're simply trying to delay the
justice that needs to come. And unfortunately, why they're trying to delay the justice, they are putting Americans at risk, and I think they should be old accountable court.
The federal government, according to the Constitution, has to clear two clear responsibilities. It's spelled out in words that can't be misinterpreted by anyone. To provide for the common defense and to promote the general welfare. How do you promote the general welfare by letting crime run rampant across your cities and let these foreign combatants control and in Trendy Aragra controlling entire apartment complexes where they just took them over.
That is not promoting the general welfare. That is not providing for the common defense, the two main charges of government in a constitutional republic. And if Donald Trump is trying to provide for the common defense, and we need our American military on American streets, so be it.
I say, you.
Say, oh, you're exactly right. There's no question you're right there. And one of the things I'm proud of in this administration is the president he is trying to be proactive, not just reactive. When we're talking about providing for the common defense. He has told the cartels so you remember now we were at war with them, they are enemy combatants.
Yep.
Not only are we're going to clean it up on American soirow, We're going to go to the source. That's why we have a naval fleet off the coast of Venezuela, who yesterday I believe it was sunking out of the fourth Yep. Ye, they have something that are full of the shifts are full of drugs, ordinances and gang members from trend Gouda. We've made it very clear you're not welcome in this country and we're going to sit them to the bottom of the ocean.
I have lots of sympathy for those murderous bastards. I'll tell you that right now.
Michael, lets invest USA.
Thank you so much for your time once again, sir, and we'll we'll speak again soon and hopefully it'll be a little bit more positive.
The next time we do.
Well, we are going to win at some point. We'll have that conversation at some point. Don till then. We're going to make sure Americans are safe and secure.
Absolutely. God bless you, sir. Thank you so much. Michael.
Lets as we continue on this nightcap on seven hundred WLW.
It is the nightcap.
As we roll along on this Tuesday evening on seven hundred WLW, Garry Jeff with our old friend Judd Dunning, the host of Unapologetic, the man who wrote the book Eleven and a half Reasons Not to Be a Liberal. And he's a businessman, very successful guy, and he has some fantastic takes on the politic of America and just what it means to be American and to preserve this
great constitutional republic in which we live. And one of the things that we will be talking about is Pete Hagseath as the new Secretary of War, the Department of War, and the rebirth of the American warrior in the Armed Services.
But jud Dunning, welcome to the show. How are you ah?
Great to be back, my man. God bless America. Yeah, every day, every day, I'm as happy as they choose to be, Buddy. That's that's America.
I love I love this piece that you sent me this morning. The American Warrior reborn, America's new War Department
under Pete hag Seth is winning. And you're referring, of course to the speech to our military that Pete hag Seth gave in accordance with Donald Trump's calling all of the admirals and generals together about a week week and a half, go uh to you know, just kind of set the record straight about what the armed services is, about how important they are to defending freedom and keeping this country alive and thriving, and how we have you know,
more peace through strength. And they are they are absolutely focusing the president and the new Secretary Pete Hegseth on strength in the military overwolkeness.
Are they not?
Absolutely? You know, look, Trump's whole thing, make America great Great is the hate crime of the decade, right Baxism. Trump is in vaxis trump racism and climatism. Like if they can split you, they can break you down, right, and then they can shame you. And then they basically say, oh, you don't want to be great, you don't want to shine, you don't want to be excellent because that's unfair to someone else. You know, there's no saky net, no celiing America.
But communism socialism thrived where everybody is beat down, tired, and things seem to be fair, and so here we go. There were two moments. There was when Obama was in front of the UN and he apologized for our American racist, beat down society. Trump was there and he said, hey, it's okay to be great. His whole theme is American excellency. But what we've got is this homogeneous EU apologism going through all of the military. And there the Trump train
came to the military. You know, they're not civilians, and right there he's claiming for great excellence. You know, I think that was the key. It was another element of his success. You know, our culture is slowly clawing itself back. We're getting vigilant strength back to you know, protect ourselves. You know this this, you know it's great. I used in my article. I used Matthew five fourteen sixteen. You ye are the light of the world. The city said
on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick and give it light unto those that are in the house. So let your line shine before men. And that's America. And so we brought it to the military with headsets, and I think that was a that was the most important thing is we took a piece of society, We cut a piece of pie, and we said, hey, this is now outside the politically correct digression, the long game,
the long march of cultural Marxists on our society. It will not be you know, the EI. It was a great moment. I think that was what was most important. And especially following the tragedy and the lawlessness of the Charlie Kirk moment and all the hate that we saw, just great timing for our society.
Oh, I absolutely agree.
And I love how Pete Eggseth has emphasized bringing back the American warrior and having a warrior ethos in that department, because through that strength you are guaranteed to at least project peace and spread peace in that way. It's a
wonderful dichotomy when it comes to, you know. And I love the fact that you did include the verse from the verses from Matthew in your piece, because while Pete Hegseth and the President are insisting that the warriors put on their battle gear, Christians, you know, in the wake of Charlie Kirk and the rest need to put on our spiritual battle gear, you know, and you know the verses that I'm talking about, Jud, we need we need to put on our spiritual our.
You know, and our sword and shield, our sword and shield.
And you know what the pastor of the church we go to just this past Sunday was talking about putting on the shoes.
Of the Gospel of peace.
Your your your footwear, your entitled battle gear as a Christian are are important to surviving the spiritual battles that are going on and are likewise, our American warriors need to have the battle gear that they need for the battles that they face. It's it's amazing. It's an amazing time, and it's an amazing thing. Good, great and amazing things deserve to be protected fiercely.
You right, I'm talking to jud Dunning on the Nightcap.
And then they did it with the Navy right afterwards and they were complete. So you know, it's interesting. I heard I think it was Bill Maher saying, you know, are we do we have creeping fascism are suddenly on the streets in Memphis and Chicago and uh, you know Portland where we're going to to stop crime. I'm in
I'm in Los Angeles and Texas. Uh, Los Angeles by friendship, Texas by you know, taxes and rationality, like I go back, you know, and uh, but I also I love the ethos down but I do I do have to say, you know, the culture of Badangas really dynamics a lot of real, real foreign thinkers out here too. And besides all the problems, but you know they're saying, oh, well, Trump's militarism is actually fascism, and he's slowly setting himself up this sort of sat on the air to take
over the next election cycle. I was like, have you looked at Trump? You guys have beaten him down on so hard. Yeah, he's gonna punch out and leave a successful behind him. I mean, you know, ninety one million dollars fine to asops the nation against two a peachment's forty one lawsuits, right, I mean, the guys, the guy's doing a great job. But it's not militarism that he's putting up. He's just putting up moral absolutism. We have a jujeo Christian society based on good is good, bad
as bad. You know, that is why we are the reluctant superpower of the world. It's not peace. As a reluctant superpower, anybody was to be in charge in this broken world. We didn't ask to be the global sheriff. We inherited the badge when Europe's empires collapsed, you know, And that's that's Americans peace through Shank. But in order to do it right now, there's a really hard, evil, militaristic world with a lot of oligarchies, a lot of dictatorships,
and a lot of oppressive regimes. We have to be stronger than ever. And I loved I loved how in depth he went into how dominant we are in the military space, and we could conquer so many people. We're not interested, you know, We're not interested. So it's great.
We want to thrive. We want to live in peace, and we want the other countries of the world to live in peace. Jud we want them to thrive. President Trump has said that over and over and over again. I want them to do well, because when they do well, the whole world can do well and not be threatened by this specter of war constantly. But you have to be prepared if war happens, and you have to be strong enough to face those challenges and those despots and
those oligarchies around the world. You're absolutely one hundred percent right on target with that. I wanted to ask you to just you're taken a couple of other things that have been going on, and this just was announced yesterday by the Department of Justice and things that have been found. I think it was either cash matel or Dan Bongino has found that the Biden Department of Justice was doing covert investigations on eight lawmakers as late as twenty twenty three,
revolving around January sixth. But they were looking at their phone records and you know, doing a bunch of really illegal things like they did to American citizens that Catholic parents who complained at school boards about trans and story time and all the things their kids were being subjected to against their will and against their beliefs. And they were doing that to these senators, and like Josh Holly said, look, if they can do it to us, they can do
it to any American citizen. And there's evidence that they did. Ninety two different conservative organizations were being spied on by the Biden DOJ, including Turning Point USA in the In the last couple of years of the Biden administration.
Uh.
And you know they had a hearing today in the Senate on this and there will be more hearings to come. The question is do they really get to the bottom of it and do these people get prosecuted for committing these crimes against fellow American citizens?
Your thoughts?
Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's what the Arctic frost probe is about. Right as it relates to the twenty twenty election, there was Listen, I stand clear that you know A Navey's bragged about it in time, like the launch of the COVID crisis was a way to destroy somebody who was going to second Reaganesque win and the Left was going to be lost. So whether COVID was born in
a lab or happened in nature, it doesn't matter. It was it was captured, weaponized for press draconian and during that period of time, I mean, people were drunk on power. And if people look at the left right, their home modality is it's like, oh, hey, you know, we're going to act like we care about the common man, we care about the borders, we care about race, we care
about trends. But really they always use these sub sects to elevate power to the top, the communists and the socialistic cultural Marxism of hard leftism, the six percent of our country that has captured thirty four percent of good old fashioned Democrats. They're deferently on the march and they definitely don't have morally that moral absolutism, and you look through their entire ethos. I mean, it was war for them.
We were attacking their way of life. And so God's grace, Trump got back in and our country has radically reversed in the other direction. You know, I talked about this in my book. I'm like, I'm not pro Republican forever. I'm pro diametric system of government in America. Left right left right happens every twelve years. But a broken family caulcilifies in one direction and it doesn't go of power. And they were doing anything to hold it. And you know what,
you can see it more than that. Let me ask you a question, or any of your listeners. What is the left really offered you? What is their platform? What is what is what is? What are they offering America? There's been nothing for quite some time besides you know, shame and beating people down into some kind of like level playing field. They haven't offered anything that. It hasn't stimulated the economy, it hasn't stimulated family, it hasn't stimulated patriotism.
There's nothing so other thing of the dog James, absolutely real. And I here's the problem though, and I talk about this all the time, as I say, they are for me is not republicanis rationalists, but I am a Republican. Is do we really have a system that will take down the corrupt elites? Because above the Democrats, above the Republicans, you and I see it frontline every day. There is definitively an elite class that it's separated from justice. Can
Pam Bondie get there? Can Cash Pateel get there? Can Trump stand in that way? And will that's try to kill him again if he does? Right? I mean that are it's pretty bad up there.
I just talked last night jud to uh And by the way, what is the left done for me? Let me paraphrase Kamala Harrison the view before the election. You know, nothing really comes to mind. But let me also say this about what you just your remark you just made is that I all I know is what I see and what I see I believe with my own eyes. But I had an interview last night with a woman who's written a book that was based on a diary of one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims and called Blue Butterfly.
It's coming out anyway. This woman was sex traffic for two years and when she first met jeffreyin he was there with Bill Clinton and Chris Tucker, the comedian actor, and Kevin Spacey. But you talk about this elite class that seemingly is above the law, above being held to any kind of a standard, just exactly what you were talking about it and it goes well beyond politics, certainly. The other thing was, you know, hamas as used these
hostages as human shields to protect themselves. And as you were talking about the left trying to hold on to power and using trans or woke narratives to as a as a cause to celeb, they use ideological shields to protect themselves and keep them in power. It's the same thing. It may not be people, but it is often, but it's it's ideas. They use ideas as shields to protect themselves and to try and insulate their power. Is that is that a good assessment.
Absolutely absolutely, I'm a saws or as powerful as humans at this point, you know, it could be weaponized, slipped, polarized gas lits, and then before anybody can come to consciousness, they're worn down and it can move to the next point. It sits in people's resonance right. The ideological contamination of David Hort said a great on My show. He said,
they don't have to be organized. He said, the ideas are so bad ideologically that they self organize around the corruptness that comes out of them because they're so fought. So I'm completely aligned.
Yeah, I don't think that we've spoken since Charlie Kirk, since the assassination and what happened in the aftermath. But jud it's amazing what God can do with the most dire of situations, and the opposition to turning point USA has totally been turned on its seat. It truly was a turning point for that organization, but for the entire country.
I believe in an entire generation of people who understand now how precious freedom of speech is, how important it is, and it has motivated so many thousands, millions of people to start rowing in the right direction.
I think man, I have to tell you, I just want to weep, right. I mean, it is the worst thing I've ever seen live in my life, the worst thing that I've seen. And I'm fifty nine. I've seen some pretty rough stuff, you know. I work in the I've been in the recovery community. I mean, I'm going to talk about it. You to call me in a few months. But our kid was trafficked and we lost our kid, and I'm involved in a very powerful group
of family dependanyl. I've seen the darkness of society. I can't talk about all of it because I'm in some law cases right now, but very soon please add beyond. Yeah, some things have to some justice has to finish. But I've seen darkness. That was one of the darkest things I've ever seen. And I one of the first posts I got on Facebook was was it worth it now? Charlie. I was like, Wow, that's what I wrote my article about.
I'm like, for two hundred and thirty four years, yes, you know, the second of them, it is worth it, And I'm sure Charlie would agree. And I just took the high road and I focused on that. But since then, you know what it has exposed and you're naming it. You're naming it so beautifully. It has exposed inherent goodness because you have this moment. Right, we all go through life and it's like the narrative therapy within ourselves. We can tell ourselves a reality. I'm saying, you know what,
I'm gonna focus on what's good about America. I can go down. Oh, I hate the left. I hate this. Now there are bad people in the good society, and the high road really is held by the right. It is definitely within our our principles, our conservative principles, conserving what is good. It's true all the way back to Plato's case deism did Juday of Crystal Lot, to common law to the modern day. It's alive and well in America and it's flowering. And I think Eric's statement about
I forget him showing the highest principle was gorgeous. But then look at what happened yesterday as you were bringing up with Jay Jones. Suddenly, now, if you take a more relativistic crowd, Oh, I can rationalize George Floyd like violence. I can rationalize a bullet to the head of my opponent. There's no people are like oh, it's just another part put the modernity and now that we're making it normal. It's not normal, No.
It's not.
Jud Listen, our time's up, and sadly that's the case. But I really appreciate it, and we definitely will communicate on down the road, especially when you have some have some resolution to what's going on with your family. Thank you, thank you so much for your time tonight. Jud Dunning, all right, the host of Unapologetic and our guest on the night We continue here. We are at the job of another hour of POWA on the Nightcap on seven
hundred WLW. Joining us for a few minutes from the John Birch Society in Missouri, the one and only Wayne Murrow Wayne Morrow rather, Wayne is the CEO of the John Birch Society, a nonpartisan civics and education organization that endorses the timeless principles of the Declaration of Independence, proclaimed that our personal rights come from God, not from government.
I am a full believer in that, Wayne, So I don't know if I'm a member yet of the John Bird Society, but I believe I believe your exact principles that you're espousing there.
Welcome to the show. How are you?
Thank you?
I appreciate it very much, and hopefully by.
Time we get finished, maybe you'll think about joining up.
The needs some more patriots in a battle. How's that?
The only thing I ever knew about the John Birch Society is the Charlie Daniels song from the nineteen seventies called Rider where he goes.
I'm a faithful.
Follower of Brother John Birch, and I belong to the Ania Baptist Church. And I even got a garage. You can call him and ask my wife. So I mean, but people painted the John Birch Society sometimes as a racist organization.
Tell tell me why it's not.
Well, we never have been, I think was the reason why they plastered us with that. You know, let's give you a current example. Look at President Trump. He's a fascist, He's one of those he's oh yeah, right, yeah right. And so the reason why they the smear campaign works on anybody in the past is so you don't listen to what they have to say. So if you don't have the microphone and the mass media, that what happens is is that they could say anything they want about you.
All of a sudden, they deny the truth. And so our job was exposing really was happening. And because of this, we became a target for them, and then eventually it didn't work. So now they ignored it. So now people said, are you people still around? Well, the going silent on this is part.
Of the strategy.
Yeah, they've been, they looked, and so that's what we've been hard at work, and we're actually growing. And I can tell you this. Alex Jones, we bound a show and Steve Vann at all he said, you know, you guys been right all along. You know you're the ogs. We're the ogs, he said, we are, really are.
That's great, that's great.
So specifically, we're talking about redistricting around the country and and the big controversy came up because Texas was redrawing their map and Gavin Newsom in California said, well, we'll we'll redraw our maps then, so the Republicans don't have a chance to win any more seats in the House, and and la la, la la, it goes on and on and on. The thing is that was ignored by a lot of the mass media in this discussion was that the Democrats have been doing this for years.
They are they are. They are they are the.
Kings of gerrymandering, of redrawing maps to their advantage. They've been doing it all over the country. I don't in Massachusetts there is not one congressional seat that's held by a Republican I believe, Uh there there's there are several states that are like that, aren't, aren't there?
Yeah?
Oh yeah, very very much. So that's exactly what happens, is that. Uh that's an old trick, you know, and and uh, you know, I think you know, you just you know, this cuts to both directions. I mean, you know, we should be evolved in that process. To say, by the way, you have a new congressman. You know why that because we decided to change it. You know, helps the political parties. But you're exactly right. They've been doing that for a long time and now the game has
been switched against them again. Now they don't like that, so now they're belly aching, you know, like, oh it's changed this. So you know, I think we make a good point. Jerry Manderin has been around for a long time. It's nothing new. It depends on who's controlling the pend But you know that's not really I look at it this way. That's that is to go to the real problem we have. Our real problem we have is Americans. The Conservatives, I use.
The MAGA movement.
They've been complacent because they Trump's in office and they've kind of gone on sleep mode.
And we have an election.
Coming up because you mentioned it coming up next year, which is an important one. And Congress makes the laws. Gary they make the laws.
They always have.
All those eos that we have stacked up on his desk don't mean anything to become lost, so it's nice to see them.
They don't mean anything.
So I tell an other conversation I had around the country, you should act like you lost. You should spend your time educating people. We have on our website, the Freedom so it's www. Dot Thefreedom index dot org is the scorecards for every state legislator, House, and Senate, as well as our federal government, and.
You can see how they vote constitutionally.
You can print them off and those are powerful tools to see how your person's voting. And most people can plain about legislatures carry but they aren't many times they don't know who they are and how they vote. So I said the question, well, you're over the Constitution. You don't know who a legislature is. You think, by some magic, some constitutional might, a nice guy's going to show up or lady and then protect you and uphold the Constitution. Well, that's fairy tale. You can't do this.
You have to get involved.
But that really was as are really the crux of our problem now is complacency igorants of the system.
Oh listen, Wayne, I live in a state.
I live in Kentucky, right across the river from Cincinnati, live in northern Kentucky. Have a super majority of Republicans in the Kentucky House and Senate, And sometimes I think that the voters who voted them in are a kind of asleep, not staying on those people that are supposedly working for them on their behalf in pursuing a continued
conservative movement and a constitutional movement within this state. So yeah, I mean, you can have a super majority of Republicans, it doesn't mean you're going to have a supermajority of constitutional people, you know, creating laws in legislation that is in accordance with the Constitution, in accordance with what the people.
Voted them for.
Yeah, So it depends on it depends on the electorate to keep them honest and then at least the conversation going. And I'll tell you legislators a state as well as federal if they see how you're watching them vote, they get serious about thinking about when they pull thet ever, are they really voting correctly? So they're concerned about that. So we have that tool, and you know, get people
involved in the process. And it's all about getting your local neighbors involved and visit your legislator and say, look, you work for us. Are you doing a good job defending our country? Are upholding constitution in our state as well as our federal government. Our states are really important because we're sovereign states and our states stay legendari has given a lot of their powers to the federal government. That's why the federal government is totally insane. Which is
totally insane. That's not we're supposed to have some countries. But that's the problem is that we should really look at our basic rooths about our states should be powerful and they should be independent and not put all the power back into the federal government. That's not the way it was intended. Now we have a federal government totally out of control. And so that is our fault because we have to take the responsibility to under state who we are, and we've drifted.
And I would say, but except when, except when these states do not adhere to federal law like they're doing in Illinois, like they're doing in Portland, Oregon. And that's what's why President Trump is having to protect federal troops and federal buildings with the you know, by going into these states who were refusing to observe federal law, like immigration law, for example.
Yes, exactly right, Well, there is that. Certainly, that's certainly what happened. Of course, now we have to take that bold step to make that happen. But that's because of the lack of understate of them. I go back to the citizens of America. We have to keep our country. We have to take the responsibility. We have to get involved.
It's up to us to make that happen.
We can't elect somebody and go to sleep. We have to make it happen that he couldn't go away. Brother, It's a NonStop responsibility.
How do people find out more about the John Birch Society, Give me a quickie email or address or.
Yeah, of course it's called the www course JBS dot org. And we have a magazine every bo's called The New American. You'll find out a website the Neewamerican dot com and you find the and there you know the Freedom Index.
We can print off all.
Those scorecards we talked about. Lastly, we have a school from kindergarten high school fifteen years called the Freedom Project Academy. He's online school teach Americanism principles, right, curse of all good stuff. So we try to cover our basis, educate our kids as well as our adults.
Well, this deserves a longer conversation. Maybe we can do that as soon, Wayne Morrow. From the Child to It from the John Birch Society. Up next, doctor Carol Lieberman, America's psychiatrist, and now a few moments with America's psychiatrist, the terrorist Therapist. She's been known that way ever since nine to eleven. And of course she has a new book, Lions and Tigers and Terrorists. Oh My, the one and only doctor Carol Lieberman. Welcome back to the show, Doctor Liberman.
How are you?
Thank you so much? Well, it's it's hard to be fine. On the second anniversary of October seventh, yes, I would.
I would imagine, so it's hard to even I opened my show with a monologue on this being the two year anniversary, and I said, just imagine if here in America, your son or daughter or grandchildren were at a music festival and suddenly, out of the blue, these mongrel, murderous mongrels masked as human beings, attacked and either slaughtered them
or took them hostage. And you know, I can't believe that there are still people who don't understand in this country, doctor Lieberman, that Israel did not bring this on themselves.
They were attacked.
Yes, you know, the Hamas and the Palestinians and their sympathizers Iran and all that have done a great job of pr of getting the lie across that they somehow, somehow the world believes Israel started it, or Israel the war is the worst one in this war. And of course that's not true. Yes, it started, well, they started their attack at the music festival, but and then they
you know, continued all that. But people don't. People don't Not only do people not understand that or not remember that, or you don't want to not remember that, but people don't understand or or want to understand because it's scary that the terrorists, not just Tamas, but all the terrorists
don't just want to just destroy Israel. Yes, that's the number one uh target, but they want to destroy all Jews, and they want to destroy all infidels, what they call infidels in other words, people who don't believe in Islam. So that is the majority of people, and and and so everyone, like, let's just talk about America. Everyone is in danger in America. I mean unless I guess that you are a Muslim of the of the type that these terrorists like. But so it's not you know, it's
not just poor Israel or it's not horrible Israel. It's we need to think of the larger meaning of this. I mean, quite frankly, in the last two years, you know, since the since October seventh, since the original October seventh, terrorists have been making great headway across the world, especially in Europe. I mean they have been taking over countries
right and left. France, the UK is the worst, right now, Belgium, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, I mean every country, every Western European country, and they are in Australia now, they've been in Africa for a long time, killing people, you know, Christians in Africa. So people need to wake up to this and realize that it could be like you were saying at the beginning, it could be their child's music festival.
Yeah.
Well, and the thing is too, the terrorist attacks, I believe, and we have different ideas of what a terrorist attack is, but the definition of a terrorist attack is someone committing violence in aim of a political goal or a global
political that's the actual definition of terrorism. And the pro hamas protesters in this country that have joined forces with antifolks, that have joined forces with some members of the militant Tree Brands community, they are all terrorists by definition, and they are committing terror attacks on ice, on ICE officers, on people, on college campuses, on speakers like Charlie Kirk, that these these are all terrorist acts, are they not.
Yes, that's right, I'm glad. Yes, it's the terrorists are already here, those kinds of terrorists who you were mentioning domestic terrorists, but also radical Islamist terrorists who have crossed the border. I mean, there are terrorist cells all over America, and you know, all they need is a dog whistle, and this country is going to be in even more shape than it is now.
Now.
As far as Trump's peace plan trump made, I mean, you know, you got to give him credit. He has done more for Israel, the Jews, but really for America, you know, given that we're talking about everybody being in danger than any other president, and he's his twenty point plan is a very generous plan, generous towards Hamas and so, but I don't think it's gonna work. I mean, I don't think. The only part I think that's going to work is the exchange of hostages for prisoners, you know,
for Hamas's prisoners. I mean, I mean Hamas's hostages and the people from Hamas terrorists in it who have been captured in Israel.
If a Maas doesn't, if they're not unarmed, it's still a threat ongoing.
Forever, right.
And the reason why I think Hamas is going to make that trade is because they need more soldiers, so they want people to be given back to them from Israel so that they could then turn them into soldiers. But you know, regardless, it still would be wonderful if the hostages are returned, even the dead one, so that the family can bury them and all of that. But the thing that people don't well, I mean.
I worry.
I hope that that Trump has good enough people who are knowledgeable enough about terrorists because the thing is, you know, there used to be the thing. You can't bargain with terrorists. You can't because terrorrists lie. And it's it's in the Hadith, the book about Muhammad, that you have permission to lie if it's for war. So they of course would be considering it's still war and they have the permission to lie, so they can say anything. They can agree to all
the twenty points. I don't think they will, but they could agree to whatever they agree to. It's lying we can because it's not you know, here's the thing. Trump is a great negotiator. I have the Art of the deal on my desk. But we're not talking about those same kinds of people that we're not dealing with those same kinds of people. We're dealing with people who are who are driven by a real religious zeal that is
that won't change. I mean, that's why on October seventh, when they went into Israel, they had such madness in their eyes because they were driven by this religious zeal to kill and name and do the worst things possible to Israelis because they wanted to be a model in the eyes of Allah, and so when they go to heaven then they can be you know, get their seventy two versions and all the other perks. So this is what they believe. So you can't really deal with them logically.
And so that's why I think in the end, I don't think it's going to be the final peace plan. I mean, I don't think it's going to ever last. And plus Israel shouldn't have to keep giving up parts of itself for peace.
No, you're right. I mean it's like they're having to amputate their their half of their body to to save their left arm. It's it's crazy, uh, Doc, doctor Lieberman, thank you so much. I wish we had more time because it's such ad.
Say one more thing, because I had created a video, a music video. I did it last year and it's still still true. On my website terroristtherapist dot com, you can see this music video about about the you know for the anniversary of October seventh, and you can see the whole story about what terrorists are really all about.
And the book again, Lyons and Tigers and terrorists. Oh my doctor Carol Lieberman, the terrorist therapist on the Nightcap.
Thank you as we put the wraps on this nightcap.
Big news in the sports world, especially if you're a Bengals fan, if you're an NFL fan, or if you're a Flaco fan. Wow, that was the shot heard round the league, I'm sure. And now the teams that are on the Bengals schedule are going to be quivering in their boots. I'm certain Andy Furman is here to detail this what you probably have already heard by now at this point, but to break it down, the one and only fur Ball is on the Nightcap. Andy, tell me
what you know. Tell me what you know and when you knew it?
Well, I knew it about a little at the one o'clock this say afternoon.
However, however, I don't know.
If you're joking or talking with your tongue firmly planted in your cheek. But I will tell you this much, and I want to talk seriously about this trade. Joe Flock of forty year old quarterback comes from the Cleveland Browns, and I traded draft picks for six for a five. You know, Bengals going one way and the Browns the other. Very unusual trade trading within the division. So here's several things.
Number One, I give this this night Bengals organization an eight plus or at least trying for doing something, you know, for something that has to be done, because I will pay you right here and now. Joe Flacco cannot be any worse than the performance we had seen last week.
With Jake Brownie. So given plus for that.
Number two, I scratched my head and say, where was Russell Wilson, Where was Jameis Winston? Those guys were available. I would have loved to have seen one of those guys instead of a forty year old guy, because once he gets behind center with that offensive line, he's gonna have a couple of cracked ribs.
Well, you haven't to be able to heal that quickly.
He's an old man. You know.
The Bengals were gone. The Bengals were going to have to go out and get somebody. Okay, last, but not least, Andy, go ahead.
Last but not least. I mean Joe Flacco making the rounds.
He's played for every.
AFC North team now except Pittsburgh, So I mean, you know again, and the bad news is if there's any bad news in this at all, is the fact that you know this tells you what the Cleveland Browns honestly think of Joe Flacco. I mean, let's face it. A year ago he got benched by the Indianapolis Colts, and now he got benched and tossed out the door by the Cleveland brown So you know, the end is quite near for Joe Flacco, and behind that offensive line, the end may come even faster.
That's all I'm saying.
But I give the organization an eight plus really for at least doing something, and that's that's a positive. Your fans should be happy about that. Like they did do the status call. Things are bad that that performance that Jake Browning had less less Sunday maybe one of the worst quarterback performances in the history of the Bengals organ.
Andy the last two Sundays. I mean, listen, Jake Browning was never going to be the answer for this team. They put all their eggs in Joe Burrow's basket. But you know what, they didn't protect their eggs and they're not going to be able to protect Joe Flacco for sure. I mean, Cleveland couldn't be Cleveland couldn't do it, and that's why they couldn't.
Have this Flaco. He's got a better offensive cast than he had in Cleveland. Oh, he's not to help the running game, but at least Joe Flacco, in my mind, can deliver the football, which is something Jake Brownie could not do offcause he couldn't do this year. He had done that, you know two years.
Jo Joe Fla has done this year.
Joe Flacco has gone from Jerry Judy to Jamar Chase.
You're right, that is a huge improvement.
And Jerry Judy has been a very big disappointment in Cleveland.
He really has it right. See what happens.
I mean, she's can't cut the weapons. You know, he can deliver the ball. You know, we'll see what happens by the He's gonna play under center for sure, and I think that we'll find out tomorrow at the midweek news conference for coach Zach Taylor. You know, with the fact he's he's ready and willing unable to go this Sunday in Green Bay and maybe too soon, I don't know.
Going I mean going back as far as uh when Joe Flacco was with Baltimore. I mean when he was young, it became a situation of I used to remember making fun of Joe Flacco ten years ago. There's Joe Flacco on his back, another sacho.
He is prone Flacco.
Yeah, but I just always remember Joe Flacco on his bacco another sacho.
There you go, and.
That's when he could actually maybe even move a little bit more this day.
What was what's the alternative when you think about it, I mean, you know, it's almost common sense. What was the alternative? You would stick with Jake Browning and let this season You're right, twelve weeks left.
Its twelve weeks.
I mean, there's still hope and the fact that this division to me right now, with Lamar Jackson has so many injuries on Baltimore, this division is somewhat wide open. It really is.
Yeah, I mean when Pittsburgh is uh is kind of like the Darling of the AFC North right now. And the Steelers have their own problems. The Browns obviously, their defense will keep them in games, but Dylan Gabriel or saduor Sanders are this season are not with the rest of the cast that the Browns have is not going to take them to the Promised Land. So the Bengals, you're right, had to try something we always wondered about. Jameis Winston. That was the name that was most notably
bandied about. There's always a specter of Kirk Cousins coming back in a starting role. So Joe Flacco just traveled down.
I'm going to pay that kind of money. They're not gonna pay Kirk Closes that kind of money. But but I'll tell you this much. You know, when I saw the Jacksonville team Monday night, yeh beat Kansas City and the.
Honestly, listen, listen, listen, it hurts you to see that.
I was hoping we weren't have to talk about this.
Andy.
The reason I bring it up, remember Jacksonville loss to the Bengals. We should give the Bengals some of This Jacksonville team is a real good team. Defensively, they're tough.
They're a tough on defense.
The Bengals beat this team, that Jags, that Jaggs loss. By the way, remember Joe Burrows started that game and did play and got the Bengals, you know, a score.
And and but they won.
It was an aberration. That was an aberration. Andy that that is a blip on the radar. That's any given Sunday.
In the NFL.
And maybe it was an operation that the Chiefs lost last night. To them, I will tay this your Chiefs, and you could take this to the bank. They no longer put fear of God into teams in the NFL anymore.
I don't agree, I agree, I agree with you.
And it was you know, I'm here on the air and I'm watching the TV as the game's going on, and I'm just going, oh, come on, and then then it's the end of the game, and I figure, Okay, the Chiefs will hold out here, they'll hold out. And and then there's that girl who plays for Jacksonville, that tall girl, what's his name?
Her name Trevor Lawrence.
Trevor Lawrens right last night made a statement because there are so many years under his belt and people say he's going to be the next coming of whatever. And last night when they were behind and they didn't need a field goal, they needed a touchdown ahead, and they did.
There was a coming of age for Trevor Lawrence last night. Yeah, it was a great win for Jacksonville, but there was a bigger win, a bigger emotional step in the career of Trevor Lawrence, who really and truly has had the disadvantage of having something like three or four different coaches in five years, whatever it may be, and different offensive coordinators. So right now I think he's he's matured.
It was a big lead. We'll see where he goes from here.
That's a big win last night for the team and big move for him.
You talk about the Bengals actually beating the Jags and that gives you some glimmer of hope for the rest of the season with Joe Flacco at quarterback, But listen, the Jags are four and one.
That Bengals are the Liam Cole right now is honestly, I would think if they were voting, he'd be the coach of the Year right now.
Out could be, really could be.
I all I know is I really liked watching the Lions on Sunday afternoon. I love that team, and I.
Think they love They had the best one two running punch in the National Football League. The defensive is aggressively aggressive, and their line play on both sides of the line is tremendous.
What else is not to life.
They're fun right now. They're fun to watch, They're entertaining. They are, and I think that they let up a little bit on the Bengals. I think they felt bad for the Bengals because the score show them.
Into the game.
Yeah, I you know. And I'm surprised that the Bengals made that move now because I thought they saw a glimmer of hope when that scored three touchdowns in the last quarter. They put up twenty one points and and Bernie got himself together.
You know, I know those were.
Those were fools, golden moments.
That was Pie right, and I'm sure the Bengals felt the same way.
You're right, I hear you're saying.
I don't know.
I just hope.
You know what I think right now, every fan who's a fan of the Cincinnati Bengals, you leave today with hope, hope, and also the fact that you're willing to turn the radio one and listen to Dave Lapham and watch the game on TV right now because you want to see what's going to happen. You knew the script with Jake Browning. We've seen it for two consecutive The guy's thrown eight interceptions since he's been in the lineup, So now there's
somewhat hope. Right, So you want to see you're curious now.
Oh yeah, no question about it.
You know what else is interesting that I've just gleaned and maybe it just occurred to me. I just finally came out from under my rock from the last thirty years or so. Andy, But now, if the Reds were still in the playoffs, we obviously would be still talking about baseball. But the second that football establishes itself, which is like the first week of real games, baseball all no matter who's playing, takes a back seat in the national consciousness. And I can't even tell you what's happening
in the playoffs right now. I've paid no attention and I don't care. Do you think that's true of a lot of people.
There's a threefold interest in that. Number One, every game means so much because they only play once a week.
That's great. Number Two, people just love the game because it's.
A he man's game and men love it. You know, it's brute, it's bruteful. And number three the gambling aspect. It's a perfect game for gambling. And number four, I want to throw a fourth.
We're in there.
There's no better game make for television and football.
None.
Well, it's the best game in the world for television football. So you talk about, you know, owning it. You know, I see the National Football League is the number one sport spectator viewership whatever it may be in the US of A, maybe worldwide, and number two one a perhaps
it's college football. And you're so right about, you know, baseball not being there, not being forgotten because football, National Football League, football or college football, they are national sports, where baseball has become.
A regional sport.
If your home team is not in it, you don't really care. How about one step further, you know, during the summertime I was watching the w NBA. They owned the set of stage. There was nothing going on. It was baseball. Really, there was baseball, but no one really cared about a baseball game in the middle of July, where really it's somewhat meaningless. You go for enjoyment, you don't go for rooting interest.
That's what you do.
I wasn't with you on the WNBA, and.
Ye once no, I'm making a comparison. Once the football season started, the w NBA went the playoffs, I had no idea what's going on. I have no idea. They're still in the playoffs. I think it's Las Vegas against UH Phoenix. I think in the playoffs for the WNBA. I don't even know. I have no idea what. I don't care, and I don't care.
It's late and I shouldn't say this, but if I had any interest in watching women bounce balls, it wouldn't be the WNBA that I'd be watching.
Okay, that's all I'm saying.
I'm not going to argue about that.
I enjoy the brand of the basketball that play, I really do.
And I told you in the past.
I told about the Indianapolis or to Bloomington, Indiana, when Caitlyn Clark was playing by I want to see Iowa play Indiana because I wanted them to see our play.
I love Caitlyn Clark, I love I will never demean the lost ye can Clark.
Yep.
But what I was saying is, I mean major League Baseball right now is playing to find out who's going to be in the championship in the World Series, which used to be the biggest thing in America. And you're right, the advent of gambling and it's everywhere. The advent of television kind of tuned baseball and set them in a back seat, especially when the NFL starts seeming.
I want to continue that conversation with you for a second because I want to know why and when that changed, because I can remember specifically as a kid and the US nineteen sixty and the Yankees were playing the Pittsburgh Pirates in the World Series, and I was in my backyard with my buddies and we were playing stickball whatever it may be. In Brooklyn, we had a big backyard.
We played ball in there all the time. And I know, I think someone told me or whatever it was, that Bill Mazeroski hit a home run or for Ralph Terry, I think it was, and they they won the game, and the Yankees lost the World Series.
I was depressed.
I was devastated.
And that was in September and I didn't even care about I didn't no idea football was being played there. I mean, so when did it change and how did it change. I'm sure people gambled on football back then. It wasn't legalized like it is now where you can make a bet on your phone, But how and why did it change? I don't get it lost everything.
I'm going to charge you with a task, and I don't know if you'll be up to it because it'll be late like it is tonight. But on Saturday night, I have another nightcap from nine to midnight, a special Saturday Nightcap. And one of my guests is a guy named Ken Belson who's written this book called every Day Is Sunday and.
And and get this.
The subtitle is how Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut.
I think it happened before that.
But I agree, Yeah, yeah, so O take the credit.
For it, though of course they will, wouldn't you.
Yeah, so I always do.
Andy. This is this is good.
Joe Flacco behind center with the Cincinnati Bengals, and the road to the playoffs has been reopened.
Right.
I would hope that that Joe Flacco and that contractual deal on the trade took us Kyrol practor with him.
He's gonna need it. Andy, thank you so much, a great night. Thanks the fur
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