Wardley and Dubois Face Off

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Sounds like fantasy, but it's reality. Fabio Wardley defending his WBO Heavyweight Championship of the World against Daniel Dubois and Katie Taylor, the greatest female boxer in history, has decided to have one more fight. She's got her eyes on Croak Park. I'm Steve Bunts and this is Five Life Boxing.

So it's not unique for two British boxers, two British heavyweights to fight for the heavyweight championship of the world, but it's not that common. There have been five in the past and perhaps we'll talk about the five. Perhaps we won't. That's just the way we do our business.

But we will, as I mentioned in the top, talk a little bit about Katie Taylor and her continued career. Now to talk about Daniel Dubois and to talk about Fabio Wardley as a man who's been ringside. For a lot of their fights when they actually were at the starts of their careers, when Daniel Dubois was a baby novice, when Fabriel Wardley was a real novice. That man is of course

Barry Jones. First of all, first reactions when you heard about this Well actually actually Bell not not first reactions. How are ya? Let's be polite. How are you? I'm uh I'm all right. Uh you know, life can be better as always, you know. I'm still short and bold.

Can't get your knees extended. I thought it was gonna be like two inches taller. I thought it wasn't you just five eight. Why don't you just do what so many of those Hollywood actors do and just wear higher platforms? I tried that, it looks ridiculous. I kept falling over. Could I just say, Barry, that we're recording this in the city of London outside a place called the Dutch Hall?

Or the Dutch house, and it's really genuinely the city. We've come down alleyways, it looks like it's it looks beautiful, isn't it? It's beautiful, but have you noticed where we are, the position I've picked. Rwy'n siarad, rydym yn siŵr yn y bach o'r bach o'r bach o'r bach o'r bach o'r bach o'r bach.

Look at the rubbish. There's a there's a fast food box. There's another fast food box. And look how many cigarettes stuff. We're in the snouters corner. We're in s we're in the snouters corner. We're in the smokers corner. We're in the worst.

possible little part of the worst at least one the one of the loiter is there is um health conscious because he's got a bottle of lugas in the big No the d oh there I d I've just noticed I'm I'm standing there been here for ten minutes there are napkins and tissues and cigarettes everywhere.

Barry, this fight itself, um, I think I mean it's one of those wouldn't it be lovely if Fabio Waldley fought Daniel Dubois style fights. You know those fights that you create in your head. You know you don't think they're gonna happen. Then they're made, then they're gonna happen. No, that wouldn't happen. I mean he's a he's It was probably Ward it was probably Wardley that said it. He's excited and all that, but I mean the way he fights and all that he couldn't get there.

he's gonna get phoned on at some level and we all said it I mean I don't know anyone who who knows about boxing who didn't say it. No absolutely because he is the he is the exception, not the rule. It'll happen again surely if it but I mean It's the exception, not the rule.

You gotta be athletic. You say it will happen again or it won't happen again. It probably will happen again. It could happen again. I'm going with could not be able to do that. But I mean what I'm saying, it's not impossible, but I mean it's highly unlikely'cause you don't learn the fundamentals, you don't learn what so many things you need to do. form yourself as an athlete. It's not always the technical side, it's the toughness side, knowing what you're made of.

And w what he has and what he knows is what he's made of and what he's made of is tougher than Superman himself. Yeah, and that's that confidence that that that carries over into the ring. Hold on a second. Bell, uh uh I'm carrying on here like I'm just I can't let that slide. It's tougher than Superman himself.

Well are you suddenly a comic book book expert? No, I don't know where that came from. Tougher than Superman himself. No, I was gonna say Steel, then I thought Superman's the man of steel and I got I put two and two together and made seventh a bit like you do. I usually make six and a half. I mean I'm sat next to the king of exaggerators. Whoa, that's outrageous. I can't believe you said that. There's no way I'm the king. I'm at least number two.

Spa Barry, I'm gonna let you I'm gonna tell you'cause you know I love you, I've known you a long while. I'm gonna let that slide. But but it's tougher than Superman. Oh me let's go in some son. I um I and I say it all the time and I'll keep saying it. I mean

I've never known a fighter to fire to be so impressive under pressure since Nigel Ben. Yeah, absolutely. He hasn't I mean literally And that's natural isn't it or just like it was with Ben. What Duh you can teach it. You can teach it. And you don't know you've got it until you're in there. I'm pretty sure. I'm like I like and and

Daniel Dubar has found out what he is and what he isn't made of in fights where under pressure He's f he's crumbled. Yeah. I mean i there's no shame in that. I mean we all have a p we all have a point where we can't take any more. And in some other fights where you think he's gonna be up against you. He's gonna crumble. I mean he hasn't crumbled with it. He crumbles under pressure when he's tired. What he doesn't crumble with

Pressure of of expectation. Yeah. And certainly pressure of occasion.'Cause then when he boxed Anthony Joshua, yeah. I thought that that'cause bear bear in mind, you're in Wembley and you're okay you're That was the fight it was gonna crumble in. I understand exactly what you're saying. But it's it's not it's not boxing in Wembley, you you're boxing Auntie Josh's home. Yeah. That he wasn't boxing his house.

I mean, the Wembley is anti Joshua, isn't it? I mean, I thought the pressure of that, that crawl was a, was a Joshua crawl, that he would fall to pieces. And I wouldn't have blamed him. Boots boots of the ring cheered from it. And he and he he was probably the his that was his best performance, I arguably. Well it was his best performance. He he went in with so much confidence from the outset he was busy, caught no assertive

And he got and he got the job done in an impressive fashion. A and of course Fabio, not too many fights ago. was up against it against Justice Hooney down on or uh down on uh I think on three of the cards, all three cards going into the tenth round against Joseph Parker, down on two of the cards, pulled it out in the eleventh round. So we know what he can do late

in a fight. I did sit down with both of the boxers and um we will talk in a moment about the appearance of Fabio Wardley because it was quite a shock to the system. He was unbelievably Finely dressed. He looked superb. It was sartorial elegance here.

in the city of London. Daniel, yeah, mild mildly smart, so to speak, but a man that never changes. In fact someone remarked today they'd never seen Frank Warren in the same suit twice. And I think I might be right. In thirty five years I've known him, I don't think I've ever seen him wear the same suit

Twice when I sat down with Frank Warren, who's the promoter. of this fight. And just but just bear in mind that Frank's been promoting a long time. And not all of those years had fights like this. Not all of those years did we have sell-outs at places like the Cop. Not all of those years were we getting in 90,000 on a regular basis in at Wembley or 67.

Uh 67 at Tottenham Hotspurs Football Club. Not all of those years do we have world British boxers fighting, other British boxers in world title fights. What a business. Anyway, I sat down with Frank because the reason why I've gone on a little bit is there's a clear message when you listen to Frank Warren talking to me. Boxing's not broke.

Right? Yeah, absolutely. It's not a good thing. And these shows are selling out. Yeah. You know, I said last year when Daniel fought um Usi, that was the highest attended live attendance of any fight in the world. Live attendance. So we're not. And this fight was this fight between These two have got the massive knockout ratio between them. It will go like that.

Did you go to Fabio and suggest it or was it George was it George's son or George who who waits? Then we put the fights to him and that's it. But George is the CEO and he's he's he's deals a lot with

with Jay, his manager and uh and they uh got it on. And Fab said yes straight away, like he would. He's a fighting man, isn't he? There's no messing about with him. So's Daniel. I mean they both wanted it. You know, and it's you got one guy who's on a roll because he's you know, he's come from nowhere and he's world champion. I mean it's a Cinderella, it's a genuine Cinderella story. It's the most amazing boxing story for me.

In my time in boxing, you know, somebody coming from no background to be the world heavyweight champion, and you got Daniel, who most people would want to. a comeback fight. He's going straight in the deep end and these two massive bangers, these two big punchers are are are gonna

Duke it out. I'm not sure. And it's not the first time Daniel's taking a risk. He stepped up against Big Baby Miller, in all fairness. Then he stepped up against Philip Hergovicz, you think about it then he stepped up against AJ, wherever he I know I know forget the results, but on paper he steps up in all three of those. Well, going into that fight, I think that most people had uh I didn't, but they had uh AJ as the favourite. Yeah. Who was on a roll at the time. Absolutely.

Um b when Daniel lost to Usick there was a lot of talk about

all sorts of uh things outside that happened. Um especially this kind of party that took place at his house. Have you had a chat with Daniel about the way he prepares? How was how did that go? Uh I just said how it is and there was you know, it wasn't satisfactory that, but it happened. And You can only learn from it if you it i and the thing is, when you know I I knew it happened probably about two hours before the fight, and then you sort of like

I can't have a go at have a go at him then. He's got uh I got a little bit late, but I'm not taking up away from Usi. It was an ideal preparation but also He does sometimes struggle with South Force. And he was in the with the best heavyweight in the world. Yeah. Who play who who who exposes any weaknesses you've got with Southports, Usik finds that hole and does what he has to do. He did, I mean it took him a couple of rounds'cause Daniel was doing well for a few rounds.

So we so you mentioned there, Fabio, about The great story it is a fairy tale story. But the thing is with Fabio now is he doesn't look like a guy that came from White Collar, didn't have any amateur. He's starting to look accomplished. I mean some of those rounds against Parker he looked fantastic. Well he is accomplished, right? The fight with Parker was a fight that everybody was demanding Parker should get his shot against Usik, he should all these various things. And cut a long story short.

Um and they were saying also that which he was, he he he's coming off a role himself, former world champion. Um, he was a massive underdog in that fight. And just showed what he's all about. As he says, one split second can change the fight. And I think oh I'm not putting words in your mouth, I like the fact that Daniel's now gone back with Don Charles. So do I. Yeah. That's the relationship that Absolutely. I I I I think it maybe it's good that he did leave. Yeah, the grass is greener stuff.

Frank, I've got to ask you about the news reports. I'm not sure what you can say'cause I'm sure it's all legal. About the um The animosity and potential splits and but tax perhaps legal situations with you and Sela, the the the South Africa sorry, the Saudi Arabians. Where are we with that and what can you say about that situation? No comment. It is what it is. And uh

We have a contract and that's where we're at. And the proceedings are are are in are in play. I can't no comments mean, Steve. No comment means no comment. Well you should just look at the comment they've made. I'm not commenting on it. They made a comment and that's where we are. And so the cat the catch word today is boxing is not broke. Boxing's not broke. And we're not babies. So Barry w I we'll deal with what Frank said about the fight in a second.

Uh but I just want to first just look back on his no comment with regards to the situation between him and the Saudi, the Saudi Arabians. Uh it's it's been no it's been an open sequel, I suppose, for the last couple of months.

Uh he has issued or there is some court proceedings pending or they've been initiated or whatever the correct term is. I don't wanna get in trouble with lawyers. You don't have to panic'cause that's all from Frank's Frank's mouth. Um It does look like uh our days of going to Saudi Arabia five, six, seven times uh a year and you playing five rounds of golf and both of us having a really good time over there in the heat.

Um it does look like those days are over and it I mean could this could this lead to a closer pact between Eddie Hearn and Frank Warren? And ma and maybe even Oscar Delahoya as the American cousin to join the triangle. Or or as an argument that that Show the connection kept them together. W will there be a more bigger divide? I know they're all on the same platform. Will there be a bigger divide again? I don't know. Who all I know is whatever happens

Boxing survives. Yes, as it always does. As always does, wherever it goes and and and the more people involved in boxing, arguably the better, because you know there's more chances for fighters. And one thing about Frank

is the biggest and best survivor in world boxing. So I mean, it is what it is. I mean I don't want I I don't know what you'd ask me this question, you get me in trouble. No, no at all. You know you you you're trending the fine line. But I would I would just say, you know, like Frank doesn't say much unless he knows. Absolutely.

Boxing's not broke, which is what I've been saying since this pod launched in 2017. I've been saying that since then, even though people keep telling me oh it's dead boxing, oh it's finished. No, it's not broken. There's a great line from Warren at his final word there. And you know what? We are not babies. You can just tell also from his voice there, Barry, is just how excited he is.

for this fight and this is something that amazes me about promoters and of course it could be part of the promotion but Don King did it Bob Aram did it well into their 90s how they still get enthusiastic about fighting I mean honestly you don't need to be a pat on the back to get excited about this. And he's excited because he knows whatever happens, there's a dramatic finish. Yeah. Unless something silly happens, which I hope it doesn't. There's a dramatic finish.

And the crowd with drama before the drum dra dramatic finish. And you know about these f these fights well when you've got two big punches now, ninety five percent KO ratio each, both of'em, which is crazy in its own right, then you know the the anticipation of the crowd, that tingle of the crowd, we know what that feels like, makes it one of the best atmospheres. And and and and and f even though I I much prefer the smaller the smaller divisions

Only the heavyweights can give you that. Are you pleased with us indoors? Are you pleased it's indoors? Um It makes the atmosphere more intense I think, but I gotta be honest with Steve.

When you're ringside, as you know, we we're spoiled. When you're ring when you're ringside in a stadium or arena, you feel the same tension, you really do. But I mean it'll be it'll be packed out, it'll be banged out there. I mean no Rydyn ni'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd.

Fabio Wardley and I've got to tell you the in the five years I've been or six years I've been interviewing Fabio Wardley he has been an absolute delight and a pleasure to talk to and he arrived for this fight. Well I wasn't sure if he was leaving court Going for a job interview or just done some sort of multi-million dollar deal inside one of these exchange houses that are local to you, because he was.

Unbelievably smart. It's a big event and I'm showing up. I've got to do my bit now. I'm a world champion. I've got to look the part a bit. I can't just turn up in my old tracksuit and just rock up. I need to kind of But look like a champ. Has life changed since you've become a world champion? All jokes aside, apart from a few quid in the bank? No, not really. Not really. It's funny because people think, Oh my god, you're a world champion.

and suddenly boom like your house is plated of gold and y there's a red carpet wherever you go and people are bowing at your feet and no, it's the same. Um I'm still at home with my family all the same, I'm still changing nappies for my baby, um I'm still in the same just dusty old gym I've been at before or nothing's new. We just stay on track and and keep it moving. But it is new in the sense that you are world champion, you are topping the bill, what we have sold out.

uh cooperation and you are in an incredibly exciting fight so some things have changed. Yes massive. Some some things have changed. From a boxing perspective I guess, yeah. But um but yes and no because I've I've headlined cards before and I've I've been in big I've been in big fights before or I've been on really big shows before. So yes and no, I guess there's a a bit extra on top. I'm the I am the world champion so there's a level of expectation or whatever comes with that but

For the most part we're it's the same. Expectations one thing. Do you think there might be more pressure? Are you feeling any different? I know we're a ways out, but i you know you know what I'm saying, isn't it like a gut feeling of any difference? I don't know if there's extra pressure, maybe because

Maybe it's funny because it's I think it's two part with me because there's always like At least for me now, RK is world champion, there's an expectation on that side, but also there's always this standardized kind of thing of oh well this is his ceiling now. This is his level. This is my level. That's what I mean. I've I don't know how many ceilings I've broken through my head. No, that's very true, doesn't it? I mean it's been it's been you see, oh that's okay.

He caught Parker on an off night. He caught Hooney on an off night. I mean, you know, if you beat Daniel Dubras, he caught Daniel Dubras on an off night. It's no that that that stops, surely. Surely, surely, surely people have stopped doing that. You would hope. You would hope, but um I don't know, it's an it's it's an ongoing narrative with me which I don't know.

w will ever end. No kind of really no matter what I do in my career, it will always be ah well Ja, men det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også, at det er også.

This or but that or da da da Well that's kinda good really because if people ever ask you about it, say but doesn't matter, if it comes to it I can go back to the white collar circuit. That's what I mean. Don't worry, if all goes wrong, I'm going back to my office job.

I'm getting back on the keyboard and mouse. Fabio from accounts. Yeah I'm getting straight back in, don't worry about that. It's ridiculous really. Um but all jokes sorry, listen, Daniel's a terrifically dangerous opponent and and the full full pr full privileges to the pair of you for taking the fight. But your name's also being mentioned by a lot of other people. And that's a switch. Suddenly you're in Olizander Usick's mouth and you're in Tyson Fury's mouth.

Those are things to look I mean, those are things I I know it's a pinch yourself situation, but those are things to look forward to, aren't they, either of those two fights? Yeah, look hugely. Hugely they're they're the fights that you you you dream of, don't get me wrong, you dream of win a world title, but you also dream of being in those

Those beyond memorable fights occasions those I was there. Events Yeah, events. I was there events like ah look it's the the the massive build up of few of mumps towards oh it's it's Wardly vs Fury and it's here and it's a stadium and da da da da da all of that that's what That's for me at least, that's the next milestone. Fabio V Tyson, Fabio V Olexander.

They sound that sounds good, doesn't it? It does sound good, doesn't it? Nice, don't it? It does sound pretty good. And don't get me wrong, I've got the task of Daniel Debarra ahead of me right now. And no disrespect and to na take nothing away from him at all. It is a task, but it's a task I think I'm very much up to. Um

There's no there's nothing to skip over here in in terms it was a voluntary and I voluntarily chose him because I think don't get me wrong, for the respect as well, because I think he's a great fighter. I think he's good. I just think I've got the beaten of him. He's unbelievably good when he's good, isn't he? You know what I mean by that? When he's good. Yeah, when when he's good he's unbelievably dangerous.

In fact, I wanna ask you'cause you're really sensible and and I probably shouldn't ask, but I'm gonna ask you anyway. yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n. uh Eddie Hearn situation. It hugely threw me as well. Um I was really surprised by it as well. And it's a bit of a hard one for me in the sense of I understand both sides. I understand why Eddie's upset and hurt and how he feels a bit kind of betrayed.

for all that he done, for all the the time and effort he put in and all the defending, everything he went through. And I also understand Connor Ben's perspective of look, this is a ridiculous amount of money. for one fight, like I d I've got to take it. It's it's all m it's ridiculous of me to say no. The only w area I would have maybe a criticism or or or something mate potentially negative to say

Would just be how you go about it. Yeah. I think honesty There's a way to go there's a way to go. You could I I would feel like Between them two. If they have the relationship that Ed says they do or at least Connor as well says they do, you could go to him and say, Look, mate. Let's go over there and have a chat.

I w we're gonna have a conversation here because I've got something huge over here and look, I really appreciate everything but I think you as my promoter but as my friend can understand

how bigger this opportunity is for me. So I'm just telling you man to man, face to face, this is what I'm planning on doing. I'm giving you a heads up, I'm giving you a window, I'm letting you know, like so it's not a surprise or whichever else is would be the way I would expect it to be gone about. But Each to their own. So listen, as the payoff it's Fabio Wardley, the face of British boxing, the heavyweight champion

of the world and the man who still changes nappies. You happy with that as a headline? Yeah, I'll take it. I'll take I think it summarizes me perfectly. I think I'll take it. I think I'll take it. And who in about ten minutes time is gonna change out of the slickest suit in all of central London and back in and back into his tracks on. Продолжение следует...

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Barry before we talk about uh w some of the things he said there about the fight and some of the th some of the things that we we know we could look forward to and you obviously did the you know, we were both inside when they had the conference. Let's just talk about his progression. And it's becoming a bit of an insult now and even jokes about it to even refer to his old days, refer to his white collar days and the idea that he's I love the idea that he's hit a ceiling.

'Cause this is what he you know, it's what he's saying. I've hit a ceiling, but I've hit one ceiling, then I hit another ceiling, then I hit another ceiling, then they said I wouldn't get past this, and I hit that ceiling. I c he just keep crashing through ceilings, and he said my head's hurting. But it means something to him, I think.

He wasn't sure how good he was.'Cause how can you when you when you when you have no bases like you know I knew how I had a good amateur career. So the how far I went I never thought I'd be a world champion, but I mean I thought

Or at least I could do a British title, which is amazing level by the way. So I thought that was always a a a big stretch. But I think I can go Especi especially down at your weight. Well well either way, but I mean you think I got the ability to do that. What happens, what happens. But I mean him He has nothing he had no basis to fall back from, so what did he know? I mean his his progression as a fighter been fantastic.

His progression as a person, as a personality Let's talk about that as a potential as interviews, as a potential poster boy for the for for bo for British boxing. And sport even. I mean He's a he's a likable kid, he's charismatic, he talks well. He'll do my job in a happy if he wants to. Broadcasters will be able to afford him. Now you'll be on him. The money he'll be able to eat.

Yeah, no I think you'd be unimpressed. I think you'd take Barker's position more than mine than I No chance. No, I think Barker'd be the one to go first, definitely. No, no. I'm just telling you. No, I listen anyway Woodley might have to decide. Well if he takes my job, I'm taking yours and then and everyone's I don't have a job. That's the beauty of my position. I'm just at large. I'm Steve Bunts at large. But he uh I mean

He has the potential now, but all he needs is some more names around his name. Yes. I mean that's And this is a start, Dupois. Once the public outside the boxer know who he is. that people sort of Which is an arrogance and this is obviously not arrogant that people really adhere to but also are tad jealous of. So he's one of those kids where you like there are people are like him

But they'd also be a little bit envious of him. Do you know what I mean? So we don't want him to lose, but you don't want it to be that's why they'll ha he has that, which is a brilliant thing to have. And and I think you know, if he if he no, I'm gonna say these names, it's crazy. No, if he beats Dubar, Joshua's coming back. I mean Fury's back in the day.

These are these are worldwide recognizable recognizable names outside the not outside of the box, outside the sports. In the next eighteen months he could fight all three of them. I mean but what if what just what if he goes on and beats everyone? I mean just say I mean I'm saying it now, it's not but it's not crazy anymore, like it would have been. I mean

He becomes a superstar. He's the perfect post the boy because he he walks on with respect. He's sellable. He's cheeky enough to to give it back. As well. if he wants to be like that but he does it without being disrespectful, which is a knack that you c again, things you can't teach.

He has a lot of things that are just natural and and being charismatic is one of those. Well if you're only a casual or part time boxing fan. I'm a bit of a fan as you can say. And and I d and I don't and I don't mean that in any um I don't mean that in any disparaging way. If you're not a massive fan

massive devoted boxing fan but you like listening to this pod then you would have heard Fabio over the last two or three years and you would have heard the change in the way he talks and his professionalism and just how you know just how mature he sounds and then if you've managed to get Catch some glimpses of him, you realise how exciting he is. Now, before we hear from Daniel Dubois, uh I've just just noticed something, Barry, and it's a rare one. You and I are both rocking heavy cauldroid.

I've got a heavy cordware shirt and you've got heavy cordwear trousers. Now we've gone we've gone a lot of years together. The thing is your your your jacket's all b your jacket's all big. No, no, I've got I've got I've got a big you can we I g I can make a I can make I can make two pairs of trousers your shirt to me coloured pair uh uh pair of tr uh you've got dark blue trousers, I've got a grape coloured shirt.

Boat two Caldroy, that's going some son. Yes. Anyway, we move on. Daniel Dubois is a, as you know, a notoriously difficult interview. The best interview I ever did with Daniel was on an open top bus. As the trees were coming down and taking people's hats off and hitting people in the face and Daniel was ducking and throwing punches and we did a fabulous interview on a double decker butt. This one was not so fabulous and that's because I don't think it's fair sometimes and I'll say this now.

I don't think it's fair sometimes to put Daniel in a really crowded, noisy room where there are loads of distractions and people in his face. Daniel needs to be somewhere a bit outdoorsy and a bit more relaxed. Anyway, here's Daniel talking. And bear in mind he's still only 28. Oh, you forget that with Daniel. Talking about this fight and his future. Dan, a massive fight, another heavyweight fight.

It's endless with you. Just you go from big fight to big fight to big fight. You enjoying it? It's been the tradition now, isn't it? So I'm loving it. I'm loving it. This is how I want to go out a legend in the sport. So you need to fight the best and beat the best.

tempted just to have an easier fight then, to get back into the winning ways. No. You won't get up for an easy fight, you just sit on your you know, you won't you won't your blood won't get going, you won't you won't want it enough, so this is the fight I need. And can you tell that when you're in the gym that you that if you were just training for an easier fight, you'll you'd just you know you'd be different. Yeah, the energy's different, you know. I don't want it as much, my dad

my my team, my my coaches, they're not they're not fired up. But for this one we are fired up. So you need a bit of s You need danger. Yeah, just don't tell us wrong. You need a bit of fear, a bit of danger in that element. And Fabio delivers that bit of element for me. Him, the prize, the rewards, it's definitely there. You still got a lot left you feel you can do, don't ya? You still got a lot left to achieve. Yeah, yeah.

I'm at the top now, so there's no going back. Now, last summer it didn't work with Usik, but then that's all is under Usik, that that was there. But it didn't work a few years ago in other fights. Then you just keep on coming back. They c they can't they can't it's almost

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Looking back on your career on this kind of roller coaster, looking looking back on some of the incredible and incredible fights you've had, what's been the best moment so far, Dan, in your career? What's been the best moment? What's been the moment that's gonna live with you forever? Um probably Probably the world title fight and the the fights before that, the build up Hogovich, Miller, those fights have been up there.

You know, that's been the turning point. Do you watch your fights back then? No. Did you don't? So you don't sit around with your dad and friends and family and watch them? No. Sometimes I watch them for like analysing it, but not on a whole, not really. I like to let that moment pass because I'm going to focus on the future. Now, on on the subject of focus on the future, you're back now, you're working again with Don Charles.

So you've been reunited with Don. Is that good? Is that working d does that feel right for you? That w feels right. Yeah. I think um

Yeah, the reaction I got, that's definitely all right move. Now one thing that strikes me Barry and I know this I I've nicked this from you is that you have to have a little bit of d a degree of pity for Daniel because it's always like as you d to take the words directly out of your mouth It's like he always has to somehow prove himself. Yeah. And I mean you ca you gotta think, when's enough enough? What have I gotta do? No, I I win a world title.

I've been good people in front of me. I knock them over. I come back from adversity, all the things that you like to see. I'm meant to lose. I lose I lose again, I come back stronger, you know. I beat I beat the guy who I beat Andy Joshua in Wembley at home. You know what I mean? All these things. But

They're asked little question marks obviously. And they might they might remain forever. And it's that word quit that we're not supposed to say. I mean, it's not a criticism. It's just something that w that everyone everyone might potentially do. It's how you do it and I just think once you do it and you do it a couple of times, it's always gonna be a s attached to you, you're never it's never gonna leave you. It's not saying you're gonna do it again or you'll do it at all.

But y but it's there and so and fighters see that. And for Fabio pretty much said everything but to the press conference, No, we'll see what it's like when I'm swinging. How you gonna react to that? What I tell you what what I'll tell you what he is, Daniel. He's technically a very good boxer. He has better feet than people th remember. He slows down when he tires dramatically because he's muscle bound. But in the early bit slimmer to you.

I know he's got a suit on and a shirt on. That suit wasn't bulging. Fabio's was bulging. But I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I think in this sort of fight, I think the way Fabio fights.

You're forced into a firefight, so you might have to just go, Well, I need that weight and we'll just go for it. And if I blow it after five rounds, well, the chances are one of us not gonna be on our feet after five rounds. It's easy to say that, and that's a no from the you've got to be a brave man to think that way and do it. But Fabio thinks that way.

And he'll do that for twelve rounds. So for for Daniel gotta be thinking and his captain gotta be thinking listen, we can't fight at that pace for twelve rounds. Most heavyweights can't. Yeah. So but I have the power. Fabio can. See, I think I think they're perfect for each other stylistically. And they're a nightmare for each other in the same measure. Yeah. Because what they do So it's per it's a perfect storm. Oh, because what they do.

is the worst thing for you. Like Fabio swinging like a lunatic, putting you under pressure, making you panic. Daniel doesn't want that. But also Fabio swinging at you, coming right at you, leaves massive gaps for the direct punch. So Daniel's a very straight punch. And the same for and I think so I think it's a perfect thing. But Daniel It's a hard night for Fabio Waldi.

It's a it's a hard night for both of them. I think we can know that. Now Daniel's moved back and gone back now to Don Charles. Don, you know, keeping holding his own counsel about it. We didn't talk to him today intentionally. I want to get him in fight, we want to go to his farm as he called it. He agreed to let us go back to his farm.

uh where he's surrounded by horses where he's got this gym in and all it looks like an old hay barn. Uh so that's where Daniel trains so he's isolated. I think Daniel likes that. Um is there is that was that a good move or is it just a normal move or you r are you happy that it's happened? I think so. I think you went and looked in other other places'cause not as always you always want to better yourself. But sometimes, you know, like and we've seen that in the past.

you don't want to lose what you got And sometimes just being comfortable, knowing where you are, listening to people you trust. That's all it is sometimes. It doesn't mean doesn't mean the people you went to with any worse of trainers. They might be better trainers. But if you're not comfortable, it's not the right fit. You're not gonna have that motivation to want to get up and do the old work and do the hard work. So I think things I think him and him and Don are a good fit, I would say that.

So that's Daniel Dubois challenging Fabio Wardley for the WBO Heavyweight Championship of the World. That's a sentence and I know it sounds like a cliche I didn't think I'd ever utter. It's at the co-op in Manchester on Saturday, the 9th of May. And it will be, if you're thinking about an a May fight or an April fight. I think inside there on that night when they come out and the fight itself I think it will be an absolutely e exhilarating

Spectacle I think it'll be a great event. I think it'll be in a sensational fight like I think they call it this this one don't blink or is the other one don't blink I'm confused. I think this one is don't blink. This one is don't blink and for one It may be absolutely right. The second title of course will be Battle of Britain. We've only used that 74 times in the last 25 years.

uh Battle of Britain. That's w that's Dubois, that's Waldley. News whilst we were at the press conference that Katie Taylor at 39 years of age and after twenty-six fights has decided to have one final fight. Now obviously she wants it to be in Dublin. She wants it to be at her beloved Croak Park.

I did something with her in Kalani about four weeks ago and she was she was she was talking about fighting on but also talking about walking away. What we don't have yet is the opponent. By the time you're listening to this, there might have been an opponent named. If they want to go to Croak Park, I would argue I would argue it's gotta be a big opponent and a kind of odd opponent.

I I who? Yeah, no and and then that's that's what I'm that's what I'm frankly. I can't it can't be Serrano again. No. Oh m more than anything, the way she beat it the third time. Yeah, the third time was so comfortable. But I mean the two other fights were fantastic and but and just

That's what I was thinking, Chantel Camera. I think you that that finishes that. I don't think Katie wants to give Chantel a payday. She feels a bit bitter towards Chantel, some of the things Chantel said. I thought about Tasha Jonas. Yeah, I'm not that's not a bad call. Who said she's not yeah, but she's not fully retired. She said she might come back for one big fight. But is that big enough for Croat Park? Yeah, but K I don't know, I think Katie Katie's last stand.

It might not matter who the opponent is. I agree with you there. I ag I agree with you there. In which case it could be anybody. Yeah. I I'm glad she's walking away. I mean it's a hag it's a hag career and it's a hard life if her career's been too So she walks away now, an absolute well I mean a legacy's nailed on. I mean what she's done has been tremendous. And her position inside Irish Light. Is is secure as well. I've seen out close and personal.

uh when we were both up in Nottingham at the weekend when I was interviewing him in the ring. How well did he box by the way? Oh it was sensational. I mean that was just beautiful and I felt I felt for both of'em in a way'cause it it looked like they were going through some sort of retirement plan. But at the same time it was glorious. Bo Lee was brilliant. And Josh obviously ended the fight with a lot of dignity. Crowd was great, great event. But Lisa sent to me at the end.

When I asked him, I said, I've got to ask you the inevitable question, Lee. He said, I can't really answer. He said, but the one thing I do know is I don't want to lose here in front of my fans against a young man, a dangerous young man. So in many ways I think Katie might be the same thing. So like w whereas I'd wouldn't it be great if Caroline Dubois moved up in weight and fought her? What's the point? That that that's

No but but so so so therefore I'm looking I've gotta think laterally I've got to think it's a I've gotta think it's someone like Jonas. Yeah. Someone like uh not Serrano, but someone like a Holly Holm. I know that Holly Holm lost in a world title fight. But something like that, Barry. Yeah, I mean I mean she's probably seen some of the the fights some of the men are having at the at the tail end of the career.

Maybe the pack yeah. She can let me back into collision. Can I get some sort of circus fight? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Should be some sort of fight where it's not a real boxer like a Holly Home is a real boxer, but somebody that run the Ro Rousey or something like that, I don't know. But either way, I think a nice, genuine fight to finish. I mean, but not someone who's young and fresh. No, no, no. She's been to the well too many times. She doesn't need that.

I think so. I gotta say, you talk about this May the ninth. May we might get three f contenders for fight of the year. Well April's not bad, in the fur in the first week in May. Benavidez Ramirez. Yeah, you love that, don't you? Nakatani versus in a way. Yeah. And War Waldi versus Dubois. You'd like to go two of those, wouldn't you? You'd like to go with three of them. Well two of them in the same night. I can't how am I gonna work that out? I don't know. Impossible. BBC's magic?

Well I'm not sure. Midlands area title like Soly Hall, actually. So they came face to face today, both in their very smart suits. Then Barry Jones and I sat out in the smokers pit and made this pod. It was beautiful. Fabio is in great form. Daniel was Daniel. Frank Warren was well, he was riff reflective. And we're getting ready.

On May the 9th at the co-op in front of about 23,000 people. We tend to invent the figure for the co-op. Who knows what it is, but hey, here we go with 23,000. It was good enough for Oasis, good enough for Bruce Springsteen. They're gonna fight and it will be, Barry, we can say, the eighth time

That a world heavyweight championship fight was contested by two British boxers. It will be definitively number eight. That's what we'll go for number eight, yes? Yes we will. Will. You don't even have to answer. Barry Jones was with me. The boxers were with me. It's slightly getting dark. There were seagulls. Of course there were seagulls. We're in central London. I'm Steve Bunts, and this has been Five Live Boxing. I'm Richard.

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