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5-4

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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.

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Episodes

Welcome to Law School (Again)

Oh my god, MORE of you decided to go to law school? Even after we released this episode last year? Welp. We can't stop you. But we can offer you an encore of our Welcome to Law School episode, where we break down why it's not you - it's law school. Get the support of likeminded law students, lawyers, and law lovers (or haters) in our Slack community, by joining our Patreon at the $10 a month level. Patreon subscribers also get ad-free case episodes, premium episodes, invitations to exclusive eve...

Aug 30, 202259 min

Harriet Miers Gets Wrecked [TEASER]

Harriet Miers was a lawyer and advisor in the Bush Administration. But what she was NOT was reliably conservative enough to pass Federalist Society muster. Her failed nomination was the first breath of a new era in Court politics: where you toe the line or you gtfo. The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Our Sponsors: * Check out Mint Mobil...

Aug 23, 20224 min

New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen

The United States has a long, complex, and often contradictory history of firearm regulation. Clarence Thomas reached into that history, selected the parts he liked, discarded the parts he didn’t, and used it to overturn New York’s longstanding handgun licensing law. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our...

Aug 16, 202253 min

Oklahoma v. Castro-Huerta

Continuing its trajectory of abandoning tests that don't pass the vibe check, the Supreme Court ruled that states can prosecute crimes committed by non-Natives on Native land. The holding overturns literally centuries of precedent and clears the way to eliminate tribal sovereignty all together. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, disco...

Aug 09, 202242 min

Free Speech, Cancel Culture, and the Court [TEASER]

Live from the People's Parity convening in Washington, DC, we're talking about free speech and the right's obsession with cancel culture. We're digging into what speech the conservative legal movement thinks is worth protecting (such as the heavenbound prayers of a humble junior varsity football coach) and what speech is not (all other speech). The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod Hosted on Acast. ...

Aug 02, 20226 min

"We can make Roe the law everywhere" - An Interview with Senator Elizabeth Warren

Senator Elizabeth Warren, we can only assume against the advice of counsel, agreed to come on 5-4. We talked about the filibuster, the Democratic response to Dobbs, and Peter and Michael's beards. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Our Sponsors: * Check out Mint Mobile and use my code mintmobile.com/FIVEFOUR for a great deal: https://www.mintmobile.com * Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/fivefour for a great deal: https://www.quince.com Advertising Inquiries: ...

Jul 28, 202234 min

WTF Are The Dems Doing? with Jamelle Bouie

Imagine you are given a month and a half head start on a race. Do you A) start running, B) wait around until the official start time to run, or C) act surprised when the race starts and chastise any of your teammates who tell you that it's time to start running? If you chose C, congratulations, you are the Democratic Party responding to the Dobb decision! Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearin...

Jul 26, 202256 min

West Virginia v. Environmental Protection Agency

John Roberts has decided that the standard for whether or not something is a "major question" is whether or not it "raises an eyebrow." But like, let's not beat around the bush, John - you can just say vibe check. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.com/fivefo...

Jul 19, 202250 min

Kennedy v. Bremerton School District

In this case from the most recent term, the Court once again says we should look to history and tradition to determine what's appropriate. Which is gonna be a tough one to parse, because the founders didn't really give us a strong sense of how they felt about junior varsity football games at public high schools. Probably because none of those things had been invented yet. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, ...

Jul 12, 202243 min

Shinn v. Ramirez

This episode contains descriptions of violence against a child that may be challenging for some listeners. Please take care while listening. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not.a member of our Patreon, you're not hearing every episode of 5-4. To get exclusive episodes, access to live events, and membership in our Slack community, join at patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Our...

Jun 28, 202241 min

Emergency Episode: Roe Is Overturned

The Supreme Court has released the long-awaited Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision. The news is bad. Ruling in favor of Mississippi, the Court allows the state to ban nearly all abortions after 15 weeks. The opinion is written by Justice Samuel Alito, and is largely the same as the opinion that was leaked earlier this year. Alito writes, "The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the...

Jun 25, 20221 hr 2 min

Egbert v. Boule

In this case the Court holds that you have no right to sue a federal official, even if a border agent trespasses on your property, knocks you to the ground, and calls the IRS on you for having the gall to file a complaint about it. So if you're keeping track at home, the Court is saying that First Amendment and Fourth Amendment don't actually mean anything. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hear...

Jun 21, 202246 min

5-4 x Know Your Enemy: "Overturning Roe, Part One"

The hosts were recently guests on Know Your Enemy, talking about the origins of the conservative legal movement, and its decades-long campaign to overturn Roe v. Wade. This episode is part of a series they're calling "How They Did It," about the likely reversal of Roe. If you like this episode, you find Know Your Enemy wherever you get your podcasts. To get premium Patreon-only episodes of 5-4, access to exclusive events, and membership in the 5-4 Slack, join us at www.patreon.com/fivefourpod . ...

Jun 14, 20221 hr 25 min

Federal Election Commission v. Ted Cruz for Senate

This week, the hosts use a variety of film and television references to try and capture the pure villainy of a recent ruling that allows candidates to "loan" their campaigns unlimited money and be paid back, with donor funds, AFTER they're elected. We're talking tie-a-damsel-to-the-tracks-twirl-your-mustache level. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon...

Jun 07, 20221 hr 10 min

Brett Kavanaugh - Unlocked Premium Episode

The hosts pound some brewskis with Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Normally there would be no episode in the free feed this week, but we decided to do something special for ya. This episode was originally exclusively available to our Patreon members, but we're giving you a peek into the premium feed. If you enjoyed the episode and want to unlock more like it, like our just-released episode about Originalism, join our Patreon at $5 a month, at patreon.com/fivefourpod. Follow Peter (@The_La...

May 31, 20221 hr

Whren v. United States

This unanimous decision holds that cops who don't deal with traffic enforcement are allowed to tail you until you commit a minor offense, and then literally dive head first into your car to nab you on an unrelated drug charge. It's just another case in a long line of Supreme Court jurisprudence that is preferential to the "I Do What I Want" brand of policing … and completely antithetical to the Fourth Amendment. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on ...

May 24, 202242 min

United States v. Vaello Madero

In this ruling from just last month, the Supreme Court ruled that Puerto Ricans are not entitled to equal protection under the Fifth Amendment because … unclear. Citizens who live in DC and the Northern Mariana Islands? Yes - equal citizens under the law. Puerto Ricans and Guamamians? Sorry, no, try again next century. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Pat...

May 17, 202241 min

5-4 Live in Oakland [TEASER]

A common criticism of 5-4 is that adjudicating is hard work, and the hosts have no experience. So to prove that no, judging is actually dummy easy and anyone can do it, in this live show, the hosts rule on disputes brought by the audience. They also talk about Oakland v. BP, in honor of their appearance at The New Parish in Oakland, AND make a very special phone call to everyone's favorite beer aficionado. The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporter...

May 10, 20228 min

Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health: The End of Roe

In this emergency episode, the hosts are talking about what happens now that a draft of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision has been leaked. Roe v. Wade will almost certainly be overturned, and abortion will likely become illegal in almost half of the country. But other rights predicated on due process, like birth control, marriage equality, and desegregation, are at risk too. To learn more about joining a network of lawyers for reproductive justice, visit https://www.ifwhenhow...

May 04, 20221 hr 5 min

Lassiter v. Department of Social Services

In this case, the Supreme Court rules that a mother who is at risk of losing parental rights for her child is not entitled to a lawyer during the proceedings. This episode features discussions of families interacting with social services and the foster system. Please take care while listening. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discou...

Apr 26, 202251 min

Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Elias-Zacarias

A difference of political opinion is when one person wants the coal industry to get tax breaks, but another person wants the oil industry to get tax breaks. Not wanting to be conscripted into an army to fight in a war against your will is NOT a political opinion. Therefore, it is totally fine for the United States - the nation that instigated the war mind you - to deny you an asylum hearing and send you back to face that certain fate. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Mic...

Apr 19, 202237 min

How the Biden SCOTUS Commission Radicalized One Law Professor [TEASER]

President Biden thought he could bury his weaksauce Supreme Court commission report by releasing it right before Christmas. Nice try Joey. We talked to commission member Kermit Roosevelt, of University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School, about being radicalized by his fellow liberals on the commission. Not because they're radical too, but because they're so institutionalist he got fed up. The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit ww...

Apr 12, 20224 min

5-4 Presents: Damages - "Manoomin v. Minnesota"

This week, 5-4 is inviting you to check out an episode of Damages, from the Critical Frequency Podcast Network. Damages is a courtroom drama podcast that follows the well over 200 climate lawsuits currently active in courtrooms all over the world. Ranging from explanatory episodes to docuseries to narrative seasons, it’s a show about the quest for justice and a crime against humanity: the climate crisis. In this episode: a case on behalf of wild rice, or manoomin in the Ojibwe language. The righ...

Apr 05, 202232 min

Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly

To review: If you are an anonymous donor, using your money to drown out the voices of everyone else in an election, that is free speech. If you are a citizen who wants to tell a cop to fuck off, that is NOT free speech. And if you are a tobacco company that wants to tell children about the rich, smooth taste of a product that will addict and kill them, that is free speech. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member,...

Mar 29, 202254 min

Strickland v. Washington

In this case, eight Supreme Court justices felt like it was totally fine to let the state kill a man, even though his lawyer prepared exactly NOTHING to present mitigating factors during the sentencing phase of his trial. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.co...

Mar 22, 202241 min

The Civil Rights Cases of 1883 [TEASER]

In this episode, the hosts discuss a series of cases from 1883 about the 13th and 14th Amendments, which ultimately ushered in the Jim Crow era. And what's really fun (fun?), is that these holdings use some of the very same shitty justifications of racial discrimination that you'll find on Fox News to this very day. Time is a flat circle! The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See a...

Mar 15, 20225 min

We Need To Talk About Ginni

In this long-anticipated episode we finally get into The Ginni Problem. New Yorker chief Washington correspondent Jane Mayer joins us to talk cults, insurrection, and other super normal Supreme Court stuff. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.com/fivefourpod. ...

Mar 08, 202241 min

Merrill v. Milligan

The Supreme Court says there's simply no time before elections that are months away, to redraw racist Congressional district maps, that took all of one week to make initially. If you're a fan of democracy that probably sounds bad, but listen, nothing in the Constitution explicitly says that fascism is expressly prohibited. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive...

Mar 01, 202249 min

The Lochner Era [TEASER]

Do you like reboots? You're gonna love The Lochner Era 2: Return of the Robber Barons ! Featuring all of the union-busting, labor-exploiting, children-working-in-a-coal-mine of the original Gilded Age, but now with 100 percent more campaign spending by corporations! The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Our Sponsors: * Check out Mint Mobi...

Feb 22, 20225 min

Ingraham v. Wright

This episode contains references to physical abuse of children. Take care when listening. The standing law on corporal punishment - physically punishing children - in schools, is that it's legal because 8th Amendment protections against cruel and unusual punishment only applies to CRIMES. Failure to get your keister in line mister, is not a crime, and therefore, punishable by beating. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter. If you're not a Pat...

Feb 15, 202235 min
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