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Birthrights and Birthwrongs [TEASER]

Apr 21, 20265 min
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Episode description

Peter and Rhiannon revisit the oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara, aka the birthright citizenship case. 

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5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are available at fivefourpod.com 

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Transcript

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everyone, this is Leon from Prologue Projects. [SPEAKER_01]: On this subscriber only episode of Five to Four, Peter and Reannon are talking about birthright citizenship. [SPEAKER_01]: On his very first day of his second term in office, President Trump signed an executive order to end birthright citizenship in the United States, contributing to 14th Amendment, and more than a century of jurisprudence.

[SPEAKER_01]: This next order relates to the definition of birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment of the United States. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good one. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big one. [SPEAKER_01]: The ACLU, along with several other groups and states, challenged the executive order almost immediately. [SPEAKER_01]: And just a few weeks ago, on April 1st, Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because the hosts feel pretty good about the leg of the outcome here, they figured it was worth talking through the administration's arguments, and how the justices responded. [SPEAKER_01]: This is five to four, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks, even if they do seem poised to get this one right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to 5 to 4 where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have you served our civil rights like Donald Trump is trying to use serve the papacy. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Peter and I'm here with reanning. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, everybody, the Pope, not tough on crime, bad on foreign policy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to stick in my head for so long. [SPEAKER_02]: I was just telling you like in his first term, it's that image of him looking at the eclipse directly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, maybe this time, it's the Pope is not tough on [SPEAKER_00]: Right, the Pope is not tough on crime is a sentence for the ages. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even have the words for it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: The Pope is not tough on crime. [SPEAKER_00]: The Pope is bad on foreign policy, not 48 hours later posting a photo of himself as Jesus. [SPEAKER_02]: As Christ.

[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks and then he and then no, I thought it was a doctor in that it's looney tunes. [SPEAKER_00]: It's looney tunesville over there. [SPEAKER_00]: Five stars on the comedy though. [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready for a 13,000 word piece about the Pope is not tough on crime. [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait. [SPEAKER_02]: Michael out this week, just the girls.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just the ladies hanging out on a five to four before we get going, where you have to regale everyone with with your harrowing tail of bravery. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, bravery involving reptiles, specifically snakes. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a saga that I believe I'm 48 hours out of, and I feel my cortisol and adrenaline only just now regulating. [SPEAKER_00]: So basically, I had a weekend, a Sunday and a Monday, chock full of venomous coral snakes at my house.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Sunday afternoon, my partner saw a snake kind of like in between the the exterior sighting of my house and the concrete underneath in like a kind of two inch space out of the corner of his eye sees bright red right scales and he takes a photo he comes inside. [SPEAKER_00]: He shows me the picture and I say hold up a minute. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if other public school kids learned this [SPEAKER_00]: Red touches yellow kills a fellow. [SPEAKER_00]: Red touches black.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're okay, Jack. [SPEAKER_00]: I look at this picture of this snake. [SPEAKER_00]: And what colors do we have touching but red and yellow? [SPEAKER_00]: I say this is a fucking venomous snake outside my house. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's where things get funny, Donald Trump comedy levels of government and administration in the city of Austin. [SPEAKER_00]: I call animal control. [SPEAKER_00]: I say there's a venomous snake outside my house. [SPEAKER_00]: Please come.

[SPEAKER_00]: They say we don't deal with wild animals. [SPEAKER_00]: I said you only deal with pets. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's just like if your cat's being a bad boy. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I said Petra is sitting on her ass right here. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need you for Petra. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't deal with wild animals. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Petra and I have beef. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously she wants to kill me, but that's between me and her.

[SPEAKER_02]: You should have been like, yeah, no, it's my mistake. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey folks, if you want to hear the rest of this episode, you're going to have to subscribe. [SPEAKER_02]: This episode is one of our premium Patreon only episodes. [SPEAKER_02]: Membership starts at just five bucks a month. [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to hear the rest join us at patreon.com slash five four pod. [SPEAKER_02]: That's five four pod. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll spell that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Members get a bunch of stuff, not only do you get access to the premium episodes, but access to subscriber only events discounts on merge and at the $10 a month level you get bigger discounts on merge and membership in the incredibly rowdy five to four slack. [SPEAKER_02]: So again, that's patreon.com slash five four pod, five four pod all spelled out, become a member today.

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