Do Women Actually Become Invisible After 40? Three Very Different Stories

work the other day you went there. I wasn't, I, I bring your friend to work somewhere else. You were at my work on studio 10. How was it? You were fantastic. I tell you, I was so nervous and it's live TV, isn't it? You were talking about this podcast? I was talking about this podcast and you and how much I loved you. And we talked about all sorts of things including dryness down there, which was interesting having Tristan your co-host just have to sit there while the other three

ladies on the couch talked about it. He was just taking it and then I asked you on the party, you also talk about being invisible and your reply was, well, we haven't talked about it yet, which brings us to today. But yes, we are here today to talk about feeling invisible. Later in this episode, we'll hear from women in the 456 club who are all too familiar with feeling invisible. We'll hear how it impacts at them and how they navigated it to take back power.

And we'll hear from Carly Lyon who runs the brand in New. She specializes in helping women rebrand themselves and making them feel relevant again. But first, Keith, is this something you've felt or experienced before feeling invisible? Look to be honest, not in my forties. I'm at late forties. Now. 48 I felt quite visible in my thirties. I definitely felt invisible. I was married

to a high profile sportsman. And, um, you know, let me tell you when you sort of walked into a room of chaps at an event or something, I could have been stood there like in a bikini and people would have just pushed me out of the way to talk to my husband. So invisible that one time when we were at a stadium and some guys came over and wanted a photo, one of them sat on me to get closer to my ex-husband to get the photo. I was like, am I even here? Oh, my goodness, Keith. I never do

to you. It was just bizarre. I don't know. I, it made me laugh. I used to sort of think, oh my gosh, we've got like a real but 12 o'clock we got two incoming. So I'd be like you walk into a room though and heads turn. That's the presence that you have. Oh, do I say that again? Say it again. Well, my head turns. I really, because I really tall and I bounce like when I walk I think you just have, you just look really

cool as you walk in. Like I arrived as I've just tripped up getting out of the list. But I like the way you make me sound. Is that your profession? In your professional life. You're a publicist. Yes. So does that I feed into that as well. I think you've hit the nail on the head because the, my entire career you do have to be invisible. You know, you're with a superstar or a singer or an actress. Whoever you're presenting, you do have to be there but invisible at all times whilst

control. So, yeah. So maybe I just learned the art of camouflage, which can be a blessing sometimes I know it can be good, but I'm back out now. Yes, I'm wearing loud red colors. Tell me, what about you? Have you ever felt invisible? Well, like you as well when I was younger. So I'm the youngest of five girls in my family. So as I was growing up, I always was for like somebody always did the speaking for me, I

never actually was called upon to speak. I know that sounds odd and I was always kind of the cute one, you know, and so nothing's really expected of the cute one and everyone else feels seen, but I kind of feel like I kind of just slipped under the radar, but now I feel more seen than ever because I'm sharing opinions and speaking and being looked upon for wisdom, you know,

I think you're very wise. Yeah, which I think that's something that comes with age and especially in first nations culture where you reach a point where you're called auntie. So I'm called auntie. I'm an auntie now, I didn't know that. So with that comes a level of respect that comes with age and lived experience. So for those reasons, I feel more seen than ever. So, Kath, there's this unwritten rule and it's become a bit of a joke that women have got to be 39 or younger to

make it in TV. So we have this joke that we're forever 39. And I think Anne used it on the day that you were at studio T S and we were like 456 club. And she's like, well, I'm not 48 or something. I mean, she looks absolutely fabulous. But I was, and, and I was told that before I decided to move to Sydney from Perth, I was already,

I think 43 or something. And I was asked by someone I was getting advice from and he who was in the industry for a long time, not working at channel 10, by the way, he said, so, how old are you? And I said 43 he said, oh, it's getting a bit old. Um, they say women have to be 39. And so I was like, oh, wow, I just experience that, that thing.

And so then I came over and I'm like, looking around at all the women at channel 10, they're all like my age or older and thinking like they're running the network. These are women who are running the network. And it's like, excuse me, because all I can see are women in their absolute prime leading all the conversations that we're having as a nation, which is fabulous. I mean, even being part of this podcast is empowering, isn't it? I think?

And it sort of sets the agenda for everyone to talk about aging because we're all aging and it's actually not that bad. So, get on board. He sounds like a dinosaur. We're gonna be talking to Cathy o'brien who's in her fifties and a writer and she's going to share with us her invisibility experiences, Cathy. Do you remember the day? You first felt invisible?

wife and who am I in all of this? So it probably was like a slow burn 22 years ago when my son was born and then my daughters were born three days after my birthday. And I can remember my mother-in-law saying to me not long after my twins were born. Oh, well, I hope you enjoyed this year's birthday because you'll never have another one to celebrate again. And I looked at her and I was like, oh, ah, I don't think so. It's my birthday. So, yeah. Oh,

Because when we get married, we're told to take on our husband's last names, like in a traditional heteronormative sense, I don't really think, oh, I can retain my name. I can retain my identity. How do you then reclaim your

working out who am I in all of that? And that kind of morphed into looking for something that I wanted to do that made me happy in life. And, yeah, so it's really in the, only in the last kind of few years, three or four years, maybe that I've started to think about who am I in my family, family and who am I in this world? How did

would happen. I thought that I would have a career and I would balance having a career and being a mother and you know, being the best friend and being the best wife and all of those things. And you know, I'm a total gen X baby. We were told go to school, get a degree. You can have a great career, you can have a family, you can do all of these things, but they left out the little bit, the little caveat at the end, you can't have it all at the same time, you can, but not all at the same time.

potentially aging parents as well. Like you said, you know, you've got to keep yourself small to be able to go out and achieve the things that you want. So that doesn't upset the household too much. I mean, everything else should be able to fit around you so that you can go and do these things because it would make you a better person, which then your Children will look up to. I think this is wild

Like raising a human is a very important job.

you along the way. So when you're watching, you get to, I don't know, you get to take a lot more in, you get to listen, you get to get all of the input, you get to take all of that information on board because no-one's expecting anything from you and they tell you a lot of things as well. That's what I find. I find that so many people will come to me and tell me all sorts of information that probably they shouldn't share with me. Then I

use my powers for good. My little invisibility powers for good and go oh toddle off and do this or do that. And, and you can sometimes have real influence and you know, you can shape conversations when people don't even really realize that that's where it came from.

firm four years ago. Not quite. And during the interview, they were sort of leading sort of asking questions, you know, about how long do you think you'll stay in? I thought, hm, shouldn't really ask these sort of questions. But anyhow, I sort of answered. I said, oh, well, you know, I usually give a good five years or,

or something and maybe even longer. And then when the person rang to say that I didn't get the job, they said they wanted someone younger because I was the same age as the person I was going to be eventually replacing and would be retiring at the same age at the same time. And I thought, well, when this person knew me, I considered him a family friend to one of the other girls on the interview panel, went to school with me.

So she would have known how old I was. Why did you waste my time interviewing me and then telling me I was too old Sandra. How old were you at the time? Not quite 56. Oh, you were a baby. The thing is right. Ok. Let's ask you, what were you angry about? Sort of been written off that someone might think that I didn't know when I was going to retire. So they sort of made up presumption that I was going to retire at the same time. This other person was.

And I thought, well, who's to say I'm not gonna work until I'm 66. So I'm older. I wouldn't even call you middle aged care change in you at that age. Funny, you should say that I've had one excellent. The thing that I was angry about was that when you ask people, you know, how long you've been in your job for or whatever? Like, and I've been at channel 10 for 23 years. It's, it's a really

long time. I started to get embarrassed because I was in the same job for such a long time because everybody moves on after a, just a number of years and younger people have career changes after like, five years. So for them to, like, I'm offended on your behalf that they would expect that you wouldn't be in the job

for very long because you go off and retire. Yeah, I mean, I thought, well, no one knows exactly when they're going to, like, depends on your health and circumstance too, but I certainly had no plans of retiring before 60 and I'm 60 now and I don't have any plans to retire before 63 still. So I could have done easily five years, eight years, probably. But anyway, they decided that because they were wanting someone to replace this person who was the same age. Well, don't damn will

interview me then. You know how old I am? I feel like we're gonna have a Julia Roberts moment towards the end of this conversation with the, you going back in the shop with your bags going big mistake feeling that coming. Did this knock your confidence? So when you had to apply for a job after that? Did it knock your confidence or did you think, hey, screw you. Well, I thought most people you're going to have an interview with won't have a clue how old you are anyway. Unless

you advertise it. It's just that it was some people I happen to know in this case, I got some temp work at the local hospital and then I was there for three years. And did you feel visible? Those jobs? Yes. Yes, I felt no problem at all. I like that. Now, you've just turned 60 and five months ago you started a new career in an industry you've always wanted to work in. This is your Julia Roberts moment. Sandra. How does it feel? Amazing? Amazing. Yes. Travel. Oh,

so good company who does tours in the Outback? And I do their rooming list. So for all the tours that they do, if you want a bed, your name needs to be on that rooming list. So, um, very busy, very busy and no retirement in sight. Absolutely not. So, Sandra, I really hope this hasn't happened to other people. But what is your advice to others who do experience this sort of a thing? I'd just say keep trying, essentially, keep trying. Not everybody thinks like that. Obviously just

keep hanging in there. I always think up comeback lines way after the fact. Is there anything that you would like to say to them if you were in the room with them again. Now that you've had some time to think about, we're gonna have to beat this. I'd say, well, I went to school with you. Why did you interview me and we've been family friends for 30 years. Why did you interview me when you thought I was too old? I'd put it back on them. That's fabulous. And also

look at how it's ended. I'm a big believer in the universe. Like you've ended up doing something that you've always wanted to do. Love that, love that. I hope one day you can turn the tables on them, Sandra and give them some of their own medicine. I mean, we like to take revenge, but I feel like we don't mind a little bit of revenge doing. I hope sometimes they might have some trouble or some loved ones who might want some trouble. But they'll be like, oh, yeah. No,

I'm sorry. There's nothing for you. Computers, Sandra. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your story with us. No, no worries. Thanks for having me. How much do we love Sandra? She was fantastic. She was fantastic. I loved her. But also just to have such a positive outlook on life and think, you know, well, you didn't deserve me and I won in the end. Yeah. Well, she's having a great time now. She's into a career that she never thought she'd have that she wants brilliant.

And that office can remain miserable. But, yeah, living her best life. Exactly. Here's to more Sandra. Do you ever feel invisible? Well, new research from Priceline has found over two in five Australian women aged over 40 do cat. That's two in five. Wow, that's a high sta Priceline wants to make sure all Australian women feel seen, heard and understood across every one of their

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beauty health and wellness needs. Visit Priceline Pharmacy in store or online at Priceline dot com dot A U, visit Priceline Pharmacy and chat to a beauty advisor or Price time pharmacist today. Now we're joined by Rose from Melbourne. She's 43. She's single and doesn't have Children and that's why she feels invisible. Rose. Have you ever felt invisible? Oh, probably like the last 10 years for me because I'm single, no kids. So I kind of don't fit in with my friends and then

with people at work. So yeah, what do you mean? Usually you hear parents say it's the other way around that as soon as they have kids, they stop being invited to things by their single friends or you know, they kind of overlooked for things because they have kids. You're finding it the opposite when they coupled up. It wasn't too bad. It was just sort of, I guess more once the last friend sort of got married and then, yeah, it felt outside that because they would all catch up

without me. And then I find out later and then once I started having kids, so I just found out that they were pregnant a lot after the fact of everyone else. So. Yeah. Wow. That must have been hurtful. It's kind of like lining up for a royal show ride and you have to go two by two because you are on your own. You can't ride. No, you can't.

Oh, that's rough. Ah, I mean, I've, I've experienced that certainly as a single person, you know, that friends have had dinner parties and get togethers instead of being the fifth or seventh chair. I've just seen on Instagram. So Rose. I, I certainly know how that feels. Are you left wondering why is this happening to me?

Yeah, because I don't really like to bring it up because then I think, oh, maybe it's just, I'm reading too much into it or, like, I remember talking to someone about it and they're like, well, they probably just feel awkward having me there as a single person. I was like, ok. Wow, that's an interesting way of looking at it. So Rose, you're feeling invisible from people. You know, but what about people?

You don't know, what's it like when you walk into a room or you, you know, you're ordering something at a restaurant or, you know, you, you're at a public place, do you feel invisible then? No, not then. But if you're gone to something specific or, and then you get asked around, you know, do you have kids like that? Whole conversation starts right. And then you go, no. And then I've had people at some places just sort of turn around and then go and talk to someone else. You need

my friends, nobody likes their Children. I know everyone will be really happy to hang out with your rose. And then yeah, so it can be a little awkward, I guess. And then there's, you know, a lot of, I guess in especially social media, you just see a lot of things around moms and how important their role is and that type of thing and then you just feel like things that you do

aren't so important. And I mean, and you hear any politicians, for example, like every budget speech, working families, working families, working families. So I'm sitting here going please have inclusive language around. It's not just working families, single people that are being hurt or couples. So, you know, there's impacting the economy that aren't just for a particular section of our society. That is so true. That's a really good point. But you sound like someone who's really positive

and that you're not just sort of sat in there. So, what are the other ways that you've maybe taken your power back? So, I got a couple of friends who, um, have either got older kids or, you know, there's a couple who don't have any, you know, they chose not to kind of just then look at things and I think, well, some people, they're just coming from their own perspective, right?

Like they're in that particular mode of, you know, being a mother and they look at that and go, well, this is the most important thing that they're probably doing and

it's probably the language that people use. What would you say to someone who's listening, who might now want to sort of change the way they speak to some of their friends who are in a similar situation to you, I think just be a bit more inclusive in it and not assume that because they don't have kids that they're off having this massive, wonderful, beautiful life because at the end of the day, we still have to work, we have our mortgages. Like I haven't had

a holiday in years, but even pre COVID, right? And that's just because you have commitments and you've got work commitments. So, so like, you know, you're going out every single night in a bar, living it up. So just being inclusive with your friends and reach out to them. So when I was in my early twenties. So I nearly died. Like I had an antic reaction and I made it to hospital just in time and I was really good. Like about the, the dying part,

I reconciled that in the moment, which was fine. And then it's just recently that I thought what's really my purpose because if I died in that moment, it's not like there are Children who would never have been born. So there's not like a, you know, like that sliding doors moment. And I just thought, oh, well, because that whole motherhood part that people talk about and how it's so important. And I thought, oh, is that meaning that my life is not worth anything? So sorry, I'm just

a bit. It makes me a little bit sad when I think about it. It can be difficult when everyone just talks about this life that they have and how awesome it is and these Children that they have and then when you don't have that, that's powerful stuff rose. You know, and I think mothers don't always talk about how it isn't all the things that we're told it will be. And sometimes it's difficult to disassociate yourself from this role when you're also, you know, a person in

your own. Right? I suppose. So. I think there is a lot of Hallmark moments around things like motherhood when the reality, either way, whether you are or not is, is very layered, isn't it? Yeah. All the emotions that you're feeling are so valid. We really appreciate you being so open. Yeah. And being vulnerable because this stuff's not easy to talk about. No, that's ok.

I think what was most interesting about Rose is that she felt invisible amongst people that she knows that she's known for a long time and as soon as he turns a certain age and they grow apart by the sounds. But just because of life, we're joined by Carly Lyon. She's a personal brand coach and runs the brand in you Carlie. You work with women in their forties and beyond every day. So what would you say are some of the most common concerns people are facing in this era of their lives.

So I'm going to answer that with a story. So a client of mine that I was working with had just gone through a bit of a career change and she was wanting to work on her personal brand. And we were talking about all the different ways that she might put herself out there. And she said to me, well, I'm almost turning 50 and the reality is nobody wants to look at or listen to an old lady. And that to me showed where her mindset was at.

And that is really the perfect example of what a lot of these women, you know, 40 plus the biggest struggle when it comes to them being visible and being seen that is really where it starts, Carlie. Is it her that can't look at herself or is that her perception of other people not being able to look at?

What is it 100%? So it, to me, what that showed me was she had this fundamental belief that now that she was over a certain age that she didn't look good enough or that she didn't have anything good enough or nobody would want to hear her speak because she was of a certain age. So that was 100% her own thoughts and feelings. And the thing is there is a thing in psychology called confirmation bias. We like to prove ourselves, right?

So at the end of the day, if you have a fundamental belief that oh, now that I'm over 40 50 60 I'm too old to be seen and heard, then you are going to be looking for and experiencing things that confirm that it's not to say that there aren't external forces. So 100% ageism may exist, there are certain stereotypes that exist, you know, media is infatuated with youth and things like this. Like

this podcast, this helps to counteract those external forces. But a lot of the work that I do and really focus on, which I think is ultimately more empowering for the individual is the internal focus. Well, how do you coach women into feeling visible again? So I have four kind of top tips. So firstly, I think it's about acting your spirit, not your age. So I have a perfect example of this. A friend of mine had a grandmother who's now sadly passed away.

We affectionately called her Nana Anna. Right up until her nineties. She dressed impeccably. She'd walk into a room, she'd command attention. She had just this beautiful air of grace and elegance about her. And it really did start with her own opinion of herself. Her, her, it was her energy that was attractive, not just the physicality. So act your spirit, not your age, lean into that forge a standout style. I have a client who's in her sixties. She's the CEO of a very large company.

She has pink hair and she wears the most amazing pra glasses. She walks into the room, she just owns it and she's dressed in a way that helps her really be seen. So I think forging a style like the beautiful jacket you've got today. There's no way you could be invisible today. That is fine.

It's amazing. So, you know, leaning into that, really using your clothing to show up and to be seen and perhaps that starts to change as you go through the different decades and as you get older, I always say to my clients invest in a profile image, a digital profile image. And here is why it's really important in the world that we live in that you have a digital presence. So anyone who's 40 plus we

didn't grow up with social media. So there's probably still a mindset of, oh, maybe I'll do a bit of social media. That's not how the world is anymore. There's the physical world, there's the digital world, but both of the real world and you need to be visible in both. The linkedin world is really like, it is actually sorted me out in the linkedin sketch.

You got to be there. And I think when you invest not, I think I know when you invest in a great portrait chart and research shows that this is really important. It will make you feel more confident in that online space. And if you think about it, that profile shop, perhaps you'll use it no more than five years. You don't want anything. You can't have a profile that's 10 years old MC events and they still use ones that are like over 10 years old. Ok? You

need to take 456 club vote. Lovely. Just cut me out. I've got, I've got a serious attitude in that photo too. Cut me out. I love it. I love it, but it's a worthwhile investment. And if you run the numbers, you know, it's a worthwhile investment. That's all I'll say. And then lastly create

a multi age network. So do not only spend time with people of your own age when I was younger, I loved hanging out with people who are older because I loved the wisdom that they would give, as you get older, it's important to hang out with people that are younger because it keeps you tapped into not only youth culture, but they will bring

out a different side of yourself. If you're always spending time with them, women or men in the same age bracket, as much as you've got that sense of, uh, we know what we're all going through. I think it's important to have younger friends to perhaps give you a different perspective of yourself and you shortcuts on your phone as well. I always my camera, the long way you go in, you unlock your phone, you go to the camera icon, you can just love it. There's one button you can

press when it's locked. Do we all know this? Listen, I, I only recently knew about the torch. So don't look at me, Richard Wilkins showed me. I mean, he could, he definitely, he could definitely listen to in the, oh my God. But I'm all for that. I've got a mentor who's, you know, I think she's late sixties now and I love what she sort of, it's gold,

what she said to me. And it's funny when you were talking about your client with the Prada glasses and the pink hair when I talked to my mentor about this space because she was in corporate for a long time, you know, and I said, did you ever feel invisible? And she said no, because I specifically dressed in a really strong way that was sort of like, you know, because she was up the front, always kind of leading the discussions and I was like, great, cool. So I

will stick with a red lip. You've got it works on you, you talk about branding in business. Ok, because there'll be a lot of women sort of, you know, listening in that space. What do you mean by rebrand and how, how do women do it? Yeah. So when I talk about branding, I always talk about the four PS. So you've got your promise, packaging position and promotion. So what's your promise? What do you want people to know you for and, and know about you.

What's your packaging? This is where it comes into your styling, your social media sites. What's the message that you're putting out there when it comes to positioning? Who are you spending time with, who's in your network? You know, who are you aligning yourself with? Where are you working? Uh where are you showing up? And this can work in a professional sense and in a personal sense, if you're wanting to reinvent your personal life, this also applies.

You want to change your life, change the things you do, the places you go and the people you spend time with and then the promotion piece is that visibility piece. How are you putting yourself out there? How are you making sure that you're seen and heard by the people that actually matter.

You gave me this great advice years ago when we were talking about social media and linkedin and anywhere that you promote yourself, you know, we were talking about, oh, but sometimes you, you might have a great image of yourself or something, but you don't want to put it out there because you're like, oh, what are people gonna think? And then we nutted it down to who are those people?

And it's usually maybe someone you worked with once. So it was a bit of a bully or like you go to these three people that we're not very nice to you. And you're like, what will Jane think from a Exactly. And it's like Jane doesn't stop doing anything because of me. Does she. And so that really years ago empowered me to just go if I believe in it. And it's true and it's authentic and it's something I want to share, whether it's life stuff or work stuff,

put it out there 100%. This whole conversation. I've been picturing the devil wears Prada, is that the person, the person, but that is like the sharp dress up. Everything is so stylish, but you don't have to be harsh about it. Like sometimes when we think of an assertive older woman who knows what they want, who's stepping into their power. That is kind of the image that we see. But we need to stop thinking along those lines 100% and there's no

one definition of powerful. There's no one style that's powerful. So your style, your packaging, your promise, it might be really relax and down to earth it. What matters is that you come at everything with a certain level of intentionality. What is that message? What are you standing for? And what's the deer that you want people to walk away with when they meet you? What's the story that you want them to, to experience? We all have clothes that we

keep for a special occasion, don't we? Why can't we just wear them every day? Isn't that beautiful? Why do we have the good China for a special? Why can't we eat on the good China on the good China since COVID, since COVID, nothing's been the best. So you put a good frock on with sneakers, you just, and you just rockets has transformed everything, hasn't it? You can wear sneakers with everything you can in the bedroom a bit awkward with hi armies when you go to bed, get them

off first, take your shoes off. But I I here for, don't keep anything for bear. Yes. 100% 100%. All right. So what's the best advice you've got for women who are listening, who do feel invisible, take the steps that we've spoken about today and really look at, sit with yourself and think about what is the mindset? What are those beliefs that decisions that you've made about getting older, that perhaps you need to reframe and change.

And that to me is the most important step because if you start to change the way you're thinking about getting older and what that means and this new form of visibility that to me has such a huge ripple effect in all areas of your life. So that would be the first and most important step to take. I love that. I love that too. I've loved this entire chat. It makes so much sense because self confidence is the best kind of confidence because if you're confident in yourself, then

other people can be 100%. It's so true and we need one another, which is why I love what you're doing with this show. We need to change the narrative together collectively. So the more that women do put themselves out there and make themselves visible, it will continue and that narrative will change. So it's, yeah, you're definitely contributing to that. I'm gonna have to write some of this down. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of post it note and stick

on my laptop. Carli. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. How did you feel about Carlie? Oh, well, listen, I'm just crazily writing everything down. It's just post to heaven over here. What about so many things? I think it was a reminder about what we feel on the inside is reflected in what people see on the outside and it's not about being beautiful and it's about how you carry yourself. Absolutely. It's like sitting up straight and smiling sometimes,

isn't it basic stuff that you just go? I feel better about myself. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well, we're at that time again in the episode where we give recommendations. Nelda, what do you have for us this week? Well, after listening to Carlie, I really resonated with what she said about wearing clothes that you feel fabulous in almost reinventing yourself a little bit. Like stepping out like full of confidence. I went to Paris recently. Can you name drop a city? Like I went to Paris recently

just for the week. My daughter was over there. Now I live by Cary through your social media and she was like mom, I'm going to be in Paris, come and meet me and I was like, yes, she also said, don't expect to have all of your meals with me or talk to me the whole time, wasn't it too? They were guidelines. So anyway, what I packed knowing that I had a limited time in Paris was all of my best clothes. I packed all my best clothes and she incidentally had

done the same. She was in Europe for a lot longer than I. So she already had her best clothes. But I was there for five days. I curated my wardrobe, best clothes every day when I stepped out of my room I knew I looked good and I felt so good. And the thing about being overseas or somewhere new is no-one knows who you are. No-one has a story about you. You haven't kind of stepped out already thinking that you are invisible. So go somewhere somewhere fresh, mix it up. Take all of your

best things. Love this. It's all about our best, isn't it? This episode so visible even if it's in the lift in the mirror, that's when it started for me, you know, taking selfies in the lift. Actually finding out the best way to take a selfie in the lift to tip the tip the down lights. I always end up with a down light. I look like I'm in a horror movie. I always go to smile at the camera thinking that the reflection is going to make contact with my eyes. But the

best thing to do is look down at your phone. Oh, is it? Yeah. Apparently I don't know for me or what gonna try. I'm gonna try a bit of that in the, see what we can pull out. What's your recommendation? Well, after last week and obviously the disaster that was passing someone and ending it was red lipstick everywhere. He and I, I have been road testing some Priceline red lipstick stains. They do not come off. Let me tell you, I mean, I've only been kissing my hands sadly

a loser. I admitted that on a podcast maybe we edit that out if I'm ever to go on a date again. No. So it keep it in. So that's my tip. I'm trying. The stains are the stains good. They're really good. And there is a red for everyone in Priceline because some people say to me, I couldn't wear a red. I'm like, listen, there's a red out there for every face. Thank you for listening to this episode of 456 Club.

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