Hey. Hey. How's it hanging? I'm chilling. Welcome back to the show. I'm Clarissa. I'm Kourtney . And this is your favorite millennial podcast, or it will be so soon. So soon. So soon. We're embracing our lives in our 30s. I was in my late 20s when we started. So that's sort of era of being in your late 20s, your 30s. And realizing that we're all just free balling it. We're just trying. Yep. Everybody's just making this up. And we're making it up too. But we've decided
to embrace all the chaos. Embrace the good. Embrace the bad. And have fun. Embrace them both. And there you have the facts of life. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And part of what we do to embrace the good and to enjoy our lives now is we live in nostalgia. We're millennials. It's our whole fucking thing, I guess. And that's what we're gonna do today. You could say it's cringe, whatevs. Yeah, we like to pretend it's the 2000s again. I wish. You know, 90s. I think 90s. I think I'd
like to start over in the 90s. I would like to start in the 80s, honestly. Eh, maybe. I don't know. I'd like to start in the 90s. But I really... I like the episode we're doing today because this era of, like, the 2000s... This is wild. This is my sweet spot, though. Yeah. I was a teenager. I was living it up. I was, like, very into the pop culture. Yeah. It was a big part of my life. Yes. So I like this episode, and I like the year that we're doing, and it's going
to be a good time. If you're... a 93 94 95 96 millennial you're probably really going to enjoy this also because this was this was high school musical this was something this was our high school time uh or or close yeah and it was really something it was my high school time so that's what we're gonna do today we're gonna we're gonna jump into the past and um So we do reliving episodes. Yes. A lot. And this is a little different. If you were with us last season, last season, right?
The spooky block that we did last season. I think so. When we talked about our favorite Halloween specials, we sort of relived them, but we went back and forth. We kind of opened it up a little more. We weren't just talking about one thing. We were talking about all of our favorites. We sort of embraced that same energy today because we could not pick just one. Because there's so many. Yeah. We're reliving our favorite VH1. MTV. I think they're all VH1. I think they are
all VH1. I mean, there are some MTV, right? Not that I can remember. None of these. Okay, so they're all VH1. Yeah. Okay. So our favorite VH1 reality shows of the 2000s. But specifically. Yes. The dating ones. The dating ones. Yes. Listen, this was peak television. I thoroughly believe this. This was the best. Rewatching it last night, I'm like... I was a child. Yeah. Why was I watching this? We would sit down and watch some of these, like, as a family. Oh, see, not, no. We did.
Grandma never watched that with me. No, my mom did. My mom and dad, we would sit and watch. We watched so much VH1 together as a family. Like, these shows, the other VH1 shows, like Celebrity Fit Club and Celebrity, like, Real World, and, like, we watched, maybe that was MTV, but you get it. Like, we watched all this shit all the time, and I was a child, but fuck it, I had fun. But yeah, so this was a very specific time in our millennial timeline. It was a time
to be alive. It was really something. And these shows were a dime a dozen. There were so many of them. And for some reason, multiple seasons. Yeah, they all, I guess they did not work. Blank of Love was the formula. Yep. And there were
a lot of these shows. And we all, as a society, especially... millennials teenagers at the time teens early adulthood we ate this shit up for some reason and we're gonna we decided we were gonna just relive the entire era and talk about our favorites we both relived some specifically that we remembered watching and we're both gonna just bring our memories to the table and hash it all out and it's gonna be actually slasher over here yep the walls lose green slime i i
feel the need and impromptu need to make a real quick disclaimer here um It was a different time. Like, it was a different time. And a lot of things happened on these shows. A lot of things were said. The vibes were different. The vibes were different. The vibes were different. Cancel culture didn't exist. No. And frankly, okay, a lot of these shows were like, they're extremely problematic,
whatever. For the ones where women were the contestants, which was most of them, it's horrible, it's sexist, it's misogynistic, it's all these things. But we ate that shit up. We ate it up. And we're gonna probably... have some opinions that make it seem like it's the 2000s again. And we're going to be cool about it and nice. And we're not, I'm not trying to be a dick to anybody. I hope you made this money and you got, I hope you turned this around and made this a great
thing. I'm talking about your appearances on the show. I don't know how, I don't know what you, you get it. If you were around for this, you get it. You get what I'm trying to say. I'm sorry, but also, ah, you know, like, I don't know what to say here. It was different. Yeah.
And we're going to try to, navigate that with some nuance so please just bear with us but first we're gonna go back to one of the years that these were pop in 2009 back in time all right back in time all right we picked this one obviously i feel like this block of time was roughly like 2006 ish to like 2010, 2011. Yes. It was kind of the clump of when these were at their peak. Yeah, because the OG ones happened earlier, but then some of the more popular contestants ended
up having spinoffs in their own shows. It became, like, by the time 2009 comes around, I feel like it becomes its own animal. Yes. Like, the first season of Rock of Love, I want to say, was, like, 2006. Uh -huh. I think it was closer to 2007. Maybe. Okay, but... But after, like, two seasons, you've got Charm School. You've got spinoffs. You've got I Love Money. You've got all these things where these reality stars, which this was kind of a new thing to be reality stars,
are just, like, running VH1. Yeah. Every show these people were on. And that sort of became its own, like, genre. genre. 2009 -ish. Yes. Specifically, the specific reason, which we'll talk about when we get into the show, one of the spinoffs was Daisy of Love, and that was a Rock of Love spinoff, and that premiered in 2009. But I'm going to say plenty about that fucking later. I'll let you. I'm more of the Flavor Flav. Yeah. We'll talk about it. We'll
get there. But so 2009. I have some facts. Okay, hit me with some facts. And then you can go with your stuff. Yeah, we'll just, we'll just, I'm going to try to relive some memories here. So you tell me some facts and we'll just see where it takes us. The Great Recession ended. But now we're back. Now we're back. Obama became president. The first two cases of swine flu in the US. I
remember this being such a big deal. I want to recall being in like eighth grade and they had us do all the, we had to go do tests at school for swine flu. I don't remember doing tests for swine flu. I think there was like a small pocket of like, and they made us do a test at school for it. Huh. I was neg. I didn't have it. Yeah, it was a big deal. Microsoft launched the search engine Bing. Bing! And Google released its Chrome OS. Okay. Okay. I use Chrome. Uh, yeah. I mean,
I use, I think I use Safari on my phone. I don't have enough. Well, on my phone I use Safari. Yeah. But, like, on the computer, I use Chrome. Yeah, I think I go for Chrome, but usually. Um, Bitcoin was introduced. Shut up. Uber was founded. Oops. Uh, Kellogg announced that there was a nationwide shortage of Eggo waffles. Lego my Eggo. What? The shortage, 2009. You didn't know the infamous Eggo waffle shortage of 2009? Oh, I guess I was busy with swine flu and buying
eyeliner. Steelers won the Super Bowl and the Penguins won the Stanley Cup. Okay, I feel like my dad was a big Steelers fan, so I'm sure I watched that game. Well, that's two Pittsburgh teams winning in one year. Yeah, but we didn't give a fuck about hockey in my house. Yeah, well. I mean, I like real penguins. I like March of the Penguins. For my 11th birthday, we all went to see March of the Penguins in the theater. I don't think my friends enjoyed it, but fuck
them. It's my birthday, bitch. Shut up and watch these penguins. Gas was $1 .89 a gallon. Shut up. I don't want to do this. So these were some words that appeared in print for the first time. Cryptocurrency. Shut up. Gig economy. Oh, okay, like gigs, like freelance. Gig worker. Yeah. Jegging. Can I tell you something about jegging that it reminded me of? I wore jeggings. I'm not gonna, not jeggings. I didn't have jeggings. Do you remember the ass scene on TV, pajama jeans?
Yes. I had a pair. Did you really? Yeah. Nice. Were they comfy? They were okay. They weren't the best, though. They just, they fit weird. Maybe it was just me and my weird body, but. Maybe. They fit weird. I didn't love them as much as I thought I would. I was a big -ass scene on TV, bitch. I had - I loved that scene on TV. I had the pajama jeans. I had the big top cupcake. Oh, shit. The big top cupcake? Oh, yeah. I think there's something else, but I can't remember
what it is right now. It was actually funny. Just, I think it was last week or the week before, I was talking about cupcake cakes. Yeah. So, you know, when you like put the cupcakes all together and you put like the frosting on top so it looks like a cake, but it's all cupcakes. I was talking about cupcake cakes at work and my friend was just, was thinking big top cupcake. That's what I would think. And he was like, the big one? I was like, no, just a bunch of small
cupcakes that make a cake. Can I tell you a story? Do you remember the game nights we would have with our movie theater pals at Jessica's house? Yeah. So we, I would. I think about that a lot, actually. Yeah, we would do these game nights and we would all go and they would usually have themes and we would all bring like food or desserts based on the theme. Yeah. And for the one that was themed for Doctor Who. I don't think I came to that one. I did. Now, I never watched Doctor
Who, but I knew that the color blue. It could be called Dr. Blue. Honestly, there's so much blue. And so I was going to make, because I had a big top cupcake and I was in my big top cupcake era. This was probably roughly around like 2010 or 2011. So soon around here. And I made a big top cupcake and I was going to paint it like the, not paint it, but like frost it and try to make it look like the phone booth. Yeah. I
forgot to put eggs in it. And so I took the cupcake thing off and it just, And I panicked, and then I made it into a dirt cake with a bunch of blue sprinkles. And I was like, yeah, this is what I meant to do. And it was apparently a lot of people's favorite thing. Wow. And I didn't tell anybody what happened, but if you're listening to this, that was a big boy mistake, and you ate it up. I gotcha. Yeah, I don't remember that one. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I was
there for that. I remember my trauma from the Big Top Cupcake failing me. Nice. Anyways. Anyways. Just reminded me. The most visited websites. Ooh, let's see which ones I was on. Google. Well, duh. Yahoo. Microsoft. What? AOL. Yeah, I was probably still using my AOL email. Fox. Like the news? I guess. Ask. Jeeves? I think. It just says Ask. Yeah, well, they rebranded. They got rid of Jeeves. So yeah, Ask Jeeves. Yeah. eBay. Okay. Amazon. Sure. Wikipedia. Yeah. Facebook.
Okay, yeah. Apple. CBS. The Weather Channel. Oh, fuck it up, yeah. Craigslist. Is MacQuest on there? And Adobe. Ah. And in 2009, in May, Facebook overtook MySpace in US -based web traffic for the first time. So 2009 really pushed MySpace out. Yep. Ripped MySpace. I... loved Myspace. I loved it. I always wanted to get one. I never had my own, but I used my friends and it was everything. Popular baby names? Okay. Jacob, Ethan, Michael, Alexander, Isabella, Alexander,
Hamilton, Emma, Olivia, and Sophia. Oh my god, I bet Isabella is because of Twilight. Bella, where the hell have you been, loca? Yeah, in utero, I guess. Well, apparently that's just a small barrier in Twilight. What? Rutabaga. Oh. Um, popular food and beverages. Okay. Bacon. Oh, okay. Brown butter pasta. I've never had that in my life. Creme brulee. Cupcakes. Okay, big ones, big tops. Fruit smoothies. Yeah, I feel like the smoothie thing was starting to
happen. I went to Tropical Smoothie a lot, probably around this time, with my pals. This was a popular outing for me as a teen. Uh, high C fruit drinks. Okay. Lunchables. In 2009? Lunchables are always good. Yeah, but this feels... I would think this would be more like the late 90s or the early 2000s. Superfruits, such as pomegranates, blueberries, plums, bananas, and avocados. Yeah, I remember hearing about that for the first time. I also think I saw an avocado live for the first time,
probably. It took me a long time to see an avocado. I never saw one growing up. My grandma didn't
cook. we did we're not eating avocados we didn't eat things like avocados we had like pork chops for dinner yeah roast and potatoes yeah white people taco night was and then wacky ice cream flavors like green tea bacon caramel maple and butter pecan shut up butter pecan i don't know that's not wacky it's not wacky it's been around forever i like the flavor of butter pecan but i don't want nuts in my items If I want to eat a nut, I'll eat a nut. But I don't want it in
my food. It ruins the food. There's really something about saying I don't want nuts in my items. That's... I don't know. It's just really something. Okay, let's talk about some movies that came out. Yes, please. Dragon Ball Evolution. Can I tell you something? Yes. I went to see it in the movie theater. Did you watch Dragon Ball as a kid? Yeah, some. Okay. Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z. Yeah, Dragon Ball Z. Was sort of my. Yeah. I was more Dragon Ball Z. I didn't really watch
Dragon Ball. But so I went to see the Dragon Ball Evolution movie. But I gotta be real with you. I enjoyed that movie. Yeah. I know it's like one of the worst movies ever apparently. And I understand why. Same with the first Avatar. Didn't people like shit on Avatar? I didn't see that. Oh I did. I don't know. But people really shit on Dragon Ball Evolution. And I totally understand why. Yeah. But I thoroughly enjoyed myself. I enjoyed it. Yeah. I. Nothing going
on in my brain. Yeah. No expectations. I try to go in blind. I just want to be entertained. I know you do. Entertain me! And then I am. Yeah, yeah. It's just, when you start with no standards, you'll enjoy anything, but you somehow, you sometimes, you fight really hard that it's good. And it's like, I can accept that Dragon Ball Evolution is trash. I enjoyed it. It's trash. I can accept that Jingle All The Way is trash. But you don't say that often. No. No. But I love it. You fight.
It's... You know what pissed off a lot of people? The human centipede. Ooh, mouth to butt. Yeah. I would hate to be... I wouldn't mind being the front of the centipede, but I don't want to be in the back. I don't want to do it at all. I don't want to do it at all. Imagine being the middle person. Nope. Don't want to do that. I've never watched it. I don't intend to. Have you seen it? No. Okay, good. I know the gist. Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. It's not Citizen Kane,
okay? You're sewing people together. We understand. The Hangover. Oh, yeah. I saw that in theaters, I think. The Final Destination. Okay, do you see the new Final Destination that's coming out? I know, I'm thrilled. I'm so excited. I'm so fucking excited. I love Final Destination. Me too, me too. We should rewatch Final Destination. Okay, if you guys want to hear that, tell us. Harry Potter, The Half -Blood Prince. Can I tell you? I saw it in theater, obviously. Duh. It's
my least favorite book, favorite movie. Okay. Or, no, it's not my favorite movie. It's, like, my second favorite movie. My favorite movie is the third one, Prisoner of Azkaban, but, like, tiers above the other ones. But in terms of, like, the others that just kind of, like, come up equal, I really like six, and I really hated the book. My favorite movie is... The first one. The first one. Yeah. It has the most magic. I know, honey. It's fine. Up. I love Up. Yeah.
I didn't see it for years, though. Like, I didn't see it until I was in college. At the very beginning, I cried. I think that's the point. Let's see. The Fast and Furious movie, the one that came out in 2009, which I don't know what number that would be, but we were several deep at that point. Were you there when I worked with one of the car dealerships? No. Near us? At the movie theater? I actually don't... I don't know. If I was there, I think I had just gotten there. Like, you and
I weren't this yet. Okay. Yeah, so for one of the Fast... I think... I don't remember which Fast and Furious movie it was. Who fucking cares? But I went to a car dealership. Yeah. And was like, I will give you passes if you bring your sports cars to our theater. Okay. And they're just like, deal. Huh. So... We got, like, a Camaro and, like, a couple, like, sports cars just out in front, like, on the sidewalk for the first showing of. Wow. Look at you. For the first weekend.
And then we put, like, a, like, poster in their car dealership and then they brought stuff to. Okay. Look at me. Marketing. I was impressed with myself. You really. That was. That's a great idea. I mean. Yeah. I think it's a great idea. Drag Me to Hell. Ooh. I watched that. Yeah. Alvin and the Chipmunks, The Squeakquel. I just wanted to say Squeakquel. Squeakquel. Try to find one more. I was at a bar the other day and they were playing Alvin and the Chipmunks. Good for them.
So I got on, touched tunes, and I changed it. To what? Eye to Eye from Goofy Movie. Oh my god. It's a 30 year anniversary. Okay. Okay. It's a better song. And then I Rickrolled everyone. See, that I can get behind. Yeah. Ice Age, Dawn of the Dinosaur. I haven't watched anything other than the first one. I don't remember much about it, but I do remember watching it. Go out with songs. Songs. This is the billboards. Do -do -do -do -do -do -do -do -do -do -do songs. Okay,
I'm going to try to finally do that. i got a feeling i got a feeling that tonight's gonna be a good night that reminds me of disney 2028 or i guess 2029 when did i go to disney i don't i don't know what are you doing here so when we were in downtown disney okay now it's disney springs but fuck that downtown disney okay uh it was with me and sissy Aunt Mary, Joe, Uncle
Doug, and Grandma. We were walking down, and this song was playing, and Sissy and I were dancing and singing, and that's what it reminds me of. Okay. It was a good time. Okay. Disney with fam. Disney with fam. Okay. It just reminds me of being in high school. Okay. Right round. I love that song. You see my hair right round, right round. When you go down, when you go down, down. It came out in 2008, but it was still really high on the charts. You Found Me by The Fray.
Lost and Insecure. Jay Sean, down. Down, down, down, down, down. Down, down. Oh. Ooh, blame it on the alcohol. Blame it on the alcohol. Blame it on the vodka. Blame it on the henny. Something, something. Rooftop. Got you something. Seems incorrect. Whatever. I know there's one that's Blame It On The Goose. Got You Feeling Loose. That's my favorite. Because I love to be a silly goose. Blame It On Patron. Got You Going Home. I don't know. Man, this is not going well. It's
not going well, Courtney. I'm looking up lyrics for Blame It because it's bothering me. It should because that was horrible. Blame It On The Goose. Got You Feeling Loose. Blame It On The Tron. Got You Trone. Got you in the zone. Okay, virgin. Blame it on the Tron. Transformers, even. You're gonna keep going? Blame it on the vodka. Blame it on the Henny. Blame it on the blue top. Blue tap? Got you feeling dizzy. Blame it on the alcohol. Obsessed by Mariah Carey. Why are you so obsessed
with me? Boy, I wanna know. I was singing that to my cat this morning. because she was all up in my business, and I looked at her and was like, why are you so obsessed with me? Oh my god, I loved this song. Good Girls Go Bad by Cobra Starship with Leighton Meester. I got the good girls go bad. You know the most insane part about that song, though, is Leighton Meester's part. She goes, I was hanging in the corner with my five best friends. That's too many best friends. That's
a whole hand, Leighton. What are you doing? I mean, five's not that. It's a lot of best friends. Five friends is one thing. Five best friends? I guess. It's too many people. I don't know. I feel like I have a lot of best friends. No, not that many. That's too many. All together at the same time? Why not? In the corner? I will say, so Cobra Starship is going to be at Warped Tour, but not where we're going. And I'm so upset about it. Fireflies. I like to make myself believe.
Okay, I just need to. That planet Earth. The Wikipedia entry. Slowly. Says, the song is built around a bleepy synth line and includes lyrics about insomnia, fireflies, and summer. Well. I mean, yeah. Who wrote this? AI? Fireflies, I remember it being really popular my freshman year of high school. Like that, if I had to pick a song that was like. The fucking song. So Mike went to the American History Museum this morning. Good for him, I guess. And he sent me this picture
and said, we are old. Oh, God. It's the first iPod in the American History Museum. Do you think they're going to start putting us in the history museums? Look, a millennial. Hey. Thanks for listening to 30 Dirty and Dying, the show for millennials by millennials. We get real about chronic illness, burnout, nostalgia, and why we aren't exactly thriving. If that sounds like you, join us every Thursday for new episodes.
Now, back to the show. Flava Flav! So, like we said, we kind of both relived some of our favorites. And you really focused on Flava Flav. And by really focused, I watched two episodes. Okay. The first episode of season one. And the first episode of season three. But we've talked about this before. Those, like, when we talk about our favorites, I was really in the, like, rock of love, daisy of love vein. You were more in, like, the flavor of love. I love New York. That
was more your flavor of love. And a shot at love with Tila Tequila. So go ahead. Tell me what are some of your favorite things that you jogged your memory of a little bit. I just love how fucking unserious Flavor Flav was. Yeah. The whole... time yeah it was so funny and like anytime like the girls just spoke to him he'd be like wow wow like what the fuck so i'm going i'm gonna go around work wow just like all day that's my new like stims get yourself a big ass clock around
your neck Oh, my God. And just the fact that, like, he made nicknames for them. I want to talk about that. Okay. Because they did that on Daisy of Love, too. Uh -huh. And I know they did it on other shows. I love this. He straight up looked at the camera and said, I will not remember your names. Yeah. I'm going to make up names for you. They, I watched, so one of the ones I'm going to talk a ton about is Daisy of Love. But I watched, I rewatched the first episode last night. Uh
-huh. And so they have all the guys come up and they give them their names. I wish we could do this in society. Like imagine starting a job and be like, okay, everyone gather around. I'm going to call you stapler bitch. I'm going to call you bluesy. I'm going to call you like just picking weird shit. Like I would, we should do this in society. It would heal us. I think. Well, we're already fucked. Who cares? Like, I think
we should do it. So, but I love how they're so, I don't remember all the Flavor Flavs, but I remember some of the names. So I can't imagine it's that different. The way she was like, tell me something about yourself. Like, um, there was one guy, the one guy was from Brooklyn. So his name was Brooklyn. Yeah. The other guy reminded her of a Pauly Shore character. So she called him Weasel. Like, it was just, there was no limitations
on what. could happen here with the names and i love that so with flavor of love yeah season three okay so like season one season two he picked the names right yeah and season three well he still picked the names but he started off with i want you to nickname yourself yeah um but then he ended up hating everything that they ever said so he changed it yeah but they had there was twins so the twins came up And they're just like, we're sugar and spice. I'm like, that's
great. I love that. And he was like, you know what? I love cat. He's like, I love cat in the hat. Thing one, thing two. And they just stared at him. This is what I'm talking about, though. Obviously, this is horrible and objectifying to all these things, but, like, dude, it's so funny. I, I, it's, there, but it was. Yep, no, that's pretty much it. That's it. But I'm like, oh, man, Sugar and Spice is so good. That's such a great, like, nickname. It's cute. Because they're
twins. I did see this thing the other day. It was like, we used to be a real country. There was a show that had several seasons where the prize was Flame of Flame. At that point, he had seven kids. I'm sure. Yeah. Also, on VH1's Surreal Life, had a very weirdly long -term relationship with Brigitte Nilsson. Oh, he talked about that in the first season of Flavor Flav. He said it didn't work out, so now he needs to find his love. Yeah. It's a wild ride. So, one of my favorite
characters. Characters? No, it's characters. It's characters. So, I need to go back. I need to find her. Yeah. But I don't remember what her name was. Okay. I don't remember her real name. I don't remember her fake name. What season was it? Season one. Okay. So the very first episode, she got so drunk that she passed out and threw up. But then she was just like, cool, chill. But she was wearing like this sweater dress. Nice. And she just like had such a fun personality.
Like I genuinely liked her. I bet she was a blast. She looked like a blast. Yeah. I mean, she got through the first episode because there were 20, the plot twist of the first episode. There were 20 girls, but only 15 beds. Wow. So the first night, five gone. That's like how in the first episode ever of Rock of Love, right? So they all were gathered outside the house and. Brett Michaels rolls up on his stupid motorcycle that's way too big for him. Big surprise. He
looks like a kid on a big wheel. And he's like, okay, great. Nice to meet you. He's probably actually like 5 '10". I still want to look at that. Little boy. Anyways, he rolls up and he's like, okay, great. Thanks. Bye. And then he goes into the house or whatever. He is 5 '10". He's 5 '10". Well, he's so little looking. He wears, I'll talk about this, but he wears clothes that are too big for him. He looks like a child who
got into his dad's closet. Everything's way too big on him and he just looks like a fucking baby. You know what's really funny? What? Last night I was watching I Love the 90s. Yeah. And then I was also watching I Love the Thousands because that existed. So Bret Michaels was on that talking about Rock of Love. I'm sure he was. And I just thought it was so funny. Yeah. It was like Inception.
Rockception. But anyway, what I was saying was, so he, he goes in, whatever, and the host, his, like, security guy, Big John, was like, okay, uh, you and you, and he picked, like, five girls, just really randomly, no context. I was like, you guys stay out here for a second. Everybody else go in the house. And he was like, bye. What? Sometimes the tour doesn't even start. Your tour
ends here. Bye. And then, this is, I say this all the time now, this, this is So, like, one of the girls, Tiffany's like, I don't accept this. She's one of the five. Okay. She's like, I don't accept this. So she goes to the house and is like, you gotta give me another chance. This isn't fair. And he's like, I'm gonna regret this, but okay. So she comes in. She gets hammered. I mean, absolutely hammered. And she keeps saying...
Her catchphrase. And really, one of the first catchphrases of these shows, honestly, was, I'm thriving in a good time. She makes it through the first elimination. Oh, shit, okay. Because Brett is an idiot and is also like, hey, we've all been there. I'm also a fucking drunk. They all are. Yeah. Plot twist. Yes. She goes home the next time. Okay. And the second challenge is they have to do a sexy phone call for when
he's away on the road. And she's wasted and she in the phone says, Hey, don't threaten me with a good time. And he's like, oh, okay. So it's Tiffany. Tiffany, if you're out there, which is a big if, I hope you're doing okay. Don't threaten me with a good time. Say it all the time. Okay, so again, I watched the first episode of season one and season three. So in the first episode of season one, after he eliminated the five contestants, and they were like, okay, let's
see what happens tomorrow. They do like a... see what's going to happen throughout the season. And he actually made a very good point. Things I never thought we'd say. Right. So he was just like, we're going to travel. We're going to go places because you really learn about a person when you're traveling with them. That's fair. And I'm like, Flavor Flav, you are so right. And I said that so white. Flavor Flav. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. Flavor Flav. They always
did do, like, a trip or whatever, though. Like, on Rock of Love, which is the one that I rewatched semi -recently, and I was glad we decided to do this episode. Like, I need a fucking reason, though. I rewatched Rock of Love in its entirety all three seasons, like, at least twice a year. I don't know. Life's going immediately. I've never rewatched any of this, but I think I will.
You should. Everyone should. Well, the fact that I remembered who won the first season just when I first, the first episode, I'm like, oh, oops. Yeah. I just knew that. And I'm like, I haven't watched this since 2006. Yep. I was 15 years old watching this. I remember. That's fucked up. Every, the only season I didn't remember who won, and honestly, I still couldn't tell you, is season three of Rock of Love, which is Rock of Love bus. They go on tour. Look, it's
a terrible show. It's a terrible show from the jump. It got real weird. It got real weird and terrible. Like, I don't know. But I don't know who won that one. But the other two, I knew as soon as the intro started for each season. I was like, oh man. First, it's Jess, but she really probably shouldn't have won. Heather should have won, but Heather was low -key a bitch to Daisy. You love Daisy. I love Daisy. And the second season, Daisy didn't win. And Amber, which is
spelled A -M -B -R -E. Ombre. Ombre won, which made no sense at all. So with Flavor Flav. Yeah. Flavor of Love. New York. Yeah. My fave. Everyone knows about New York and pumpkin. Everyone. Everyone knows that pumpkin spit hard. On New York. I did find out. I Googled. I was curious. Pumpkin is an accountant now. Way to go. She's living her life. She just, you know what? This was enough. I'm going to be normal. Most of them did that though. Like most of them just went on with their
lives. Which is good. Like, yeah. Good for her. But so New York made it to second and Hoops won. I recall. She tried again. Yes. On season two. Which I forgot. She tried again. Got second place. And got beat. I don't remember who won season two. It doesn't even matter. It doesn't even matter because New York got all the way up there again. Failed. And then we did I Love New York. And then we did I Love New York. I did love when they gave us spinoffs. I need to rewatch I Love
New York. Because, like, I Love New York, Daisy of Love. I love when they got these spinoffs. And we got to see guys do this. Because, look.
the the thing about the show and part of my weird disjointed disclaimer at the beginning was like they really set these women up for some shit yeah like and catfights and a lot of stereotypes and whatever but i'll be real with you as somebody who watched all three seasons of rock of love several times and has watched daisy of love and i love new york i think the dudes are worse And we got to see that. Yeah. And they are so much
worse. Like, you came over to record this when I had Daisy of Love on kind of like in the background. And there's like 40 minutes where they're just throwing shit. Yeah. Because they're upset. Guys can't control their anger. They literally can't. Like, you might get one good cat fight out of these girls. They might be like, mwahaha, let's... Tell Lacey she's a bitch. I don't know. But like full blown violent. Yeah. Every episode. But something about the women. Like I love a girl's
girl. Right. Me too. So in the first episode where the one girl was like trashed. Right. Yeah. Three of the girls came and took care of her. One brought her some water. One bought her some bread. One got like a bucket and like held her hair back. Yeah. And I'm like they're cutthroat trying to get Flavor Flav's love. Okay. But they're still taking care of each other. Yeah. Guys would never. No. Now, I will say, though, one of my favorites in Rock of Love season one is Lacey.
Mm -hmm. Lacey was a musician. I remember that name. Red hair. She was a musician, right? She made it to, like, the top three, I think. She, from the beginning, was like, I'm going to turn them all against each other, and I'm going to turn Brett against them, and wah -ha -ha. And they were all like, oh, my God, why would you do this? It's the game. She knows. She's played the game. Game recognized game, okay? Like, I don't understand why we're all trying to be besties.
I like a girl's girl, too. You can take care of someone and, like, care about their well -being, but also try to win. Yeah, Lacey went too far with it. Fair. But every time that we watch it, it's like... there's just this reminder of like, oh, well, she's so terrible. And it's like, yeah, but she's doing this for what it is. Like, I'm sorry, but all of you that are like, I'm honestly like falling in love with him. No, shut up. No, you're not. Shut up. You're trying to win the
game. Who's going to look at Flavor Flavor? No offense, Flavor Flavor, if you're listening to this. Also, I do love you because - I'm a big fan of your music. He loves Taylor Swift. He's a huge Swifty. Is he? He's a huge Swifty. That's awesome. Yeah, he went to the Heiress Tour. Wow. Like, no, he's like, all of his TikToks were about Taylor Swift for a while. Wow. Yeah, he loves Taylor Swift. I love Flavor Flav. I love
you. But let's be real. Like, all of these young 20 -somethings, and you're at least 40s, 50s in this show. You're being generous. But no, I get what you're saying. But as a person, and how much zero fucks you gave, I really vibe with him. I'll be real here. I'm going to say the opposite thing since I'm taking the rock of love side here. Bret Michaels is a fuck. Yeah, Bret Michaels is a fuck. I hope you hear this, Bret.
I have a huge list here. One thing, he's... I'm not... I don't... I can't recall too, too much about, like, the specifics of Flavor Flav they have done that were misogynistic and terrible. I mean... But I can tell you, Bret Michaels is misogynistic and terrible. He was so terrible to these girls. Like, he was such a raging sexist, really. And I understand that's the name of the game. It's a show. It's a different time. But,
like... It's so obvious. He was also mad at the one girl who ended up winning because she lied about her age. She said she was, she told him she was 32. She was 37. She had to be in her 40s. But he was like, oh my God, you're lying to me. Yeah, but he's like fucking 50. Yes. He was 45 years old during that season. And all these others are like 20. And part of me was like, why are women who are this old here? Because why do you want to do this at this age? Why do
you want to? But also it's gross that he's got a pretty good shot of being with someone who's like young enough to be his fucking child. So there was that. He didn't, Daisy didn't win season two, which honestly is probably better for her in the long run. But Daisy didn't win season two. Daisy De La Hoya, she should have won season two. And his whole thing was that she had been living with her ex -boyfriend like they had. Broken up, but they still lived together. And
he was like, I don't know. It's such a weird betrayal. You're in a house with 40 bitches. What are you talking about? You're fucking all of them. It's season two. And you're in a house full of women. And you're about to go do season three on tour. What do you care? What do you care? But he made it out like this big slut shaming type thing. I didn't like that. I didn't like that one bit. Also, he says diabetes. I also say diabetes. Okay. Because of the diabetes guy.
No, he says it unironically. That's literally how he pronounces it. Oh. Because he's diabetic. I'm just trying to use his words. I didn't know he was diabetic. Yeah, he's got type 1 diabetes. Hmm. But he's, I don't know. It's just like, it's, there's a part of it that's so pathetic that it's like these older dudes and they're just. And there were so many points where it's like he's so pathetic and he was so gross to these girls and he was just like a gross old
man kind of vibes. And just pointing this out, one of the girls that he went for hard on season two ended up leaving on her own accord and she was probably going to win. Her name was Christy Jo. She was married. She was still actively married, like not even divorced, nothing, and came to the show. She had all this drama. Everybody hated her, blah, blah, blah, whatever, right? He has a couple kids with one woman. He's got like a mom to his kids, right? I don't think they've
ever been married. So I'm not gonna say like wife. Her name is Christy Lynn. So he literally was just like chasing this girl who looked exactly like the mother of his kids. And after Rock of Love Bus, Bret Michaels had another reality show, very short -lived one, where he decided that he actually just wanted to be with the mom of his kids. And it was like a family show. Like, think Hogan knows best. But it was Brett Michaels trying to be with the mom of his kids and be
an actual family man. And they got back together and they got engaged and that lasted for like 35 seconds. So fuck you. I can imagine that his relationships would last 35 seconds. I can imagine him lasting for 35 seconds. That's probably really generous. And that stupid bandana he wears all the time. One chump pump. Wait. One pump chump. I'm sure. I'm sure. Thanks for listening to 30 Dirty and Dying. We really appreciate your support.
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it, so I can't tell you much. That's fine. We're just going with vibes here. But with A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila. Yes. For the time, because she, bisexual, had men and women on the show. True that. I think that was pretty great. Yeah. She just, I know she ended up being, like, low -key the worst. Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure. But if we're separating art from artist here, yeah. It was really something. Yeah. You know? I don't think I even, I'm sure it didn't do as
well because of what it was. I remember there being controversies about it. But looking back, knowing that that's what they did, I'm like, I like that. Yeah. I like that they tried. I like the vibe. Yeah. I like the vibe. And there was, she had two seasons of it. You're right. She did. I never watched it though. I don't remember much from it. I know I watched it. Yeah. But I don't remember a whole lot. Yeah. Because it was other things were, Flavor Flav was mine.
Yeah. I love Flavor Flav. Yeah. I don't know why. I still do. Hey, he's entertaining. He's entertaining. He's very entertaining. The show was entertaining. New York was entertaining. Mm -hmm. There's a whole reason. That's the whole reason she got her own show. Yeah. She's entertaining to watch. She was very entertaining. I enjoyed watching her. Uh -huh. I can't tell you, like, much about the show. Like, it didn't stick in my head like Rock of Love did. But I enjoyed
watching. I love New York. She's really something. And on I Love New York, there was contestant overlap with Daisy of Love, 12 -pack. And this is where, again, the lore of this whole time in history. They were, they, I, looking back. Yeah. Like, back then, I'm just like, they're genuinely trying to find love. But now, well,
I was like. no yeah child i was like an early teen they sold it they sold it as like the bachelor bachelorette situation but like chaotic yeah um look now watching it i'm like this is purely entertainment no one's falling in love yeah that was never the goal like bitch you're just here to promote your band well yeah what in season three uh there's this one girl she was very very tall Like, Flavor Flav would climb her like a tree. Well, that's what he did with Brigitte
Nielsen. Well, he's also, yeah, he's pretty short. Yeah, it was, like, that situation. And she straight up said that she was trying to, like, be famous. Yeah. And he was like, do you even want to be with me? And she was like, like, long pause. Yeah. What else am I doing? But that's honest. That's what everybody was there for. I'm sorry.
Oh, 100%. I'm not saying there weren't people, especially, like, I'm sure there were people who had, like, maybe, like, a crush or, like, a childhood crush and it's, like, this is that, the evolution of that. Yeah. Rapper or a rock star or whatever. But, like, nobody, no, you were here to get famous. You were here to be on TV. Right. I respect that. That's fine. Be on TV. I'm thrilled for you. Um. But no, I, so my favorite still was Daisy of Love, which was
the spinoff. And 12 Pack was part of the, he was on Daisy of Love. He made it pretty far, but he was on like this, this group of people that ended up coming out of these shows and they just kept recycling them. It's kind of like the Disney kids. Like they were on every single thing on that channel. These people were on every single thing on VH1 and 12 Pack was one of those guys. And he was on Daisy of Love with Daisy De La Hoya. I love Daisy De La Hoya. I think she goes
by a different name now. It might be like Vanessa. A lovable person. I know she's had some struggles. I hope she's doing well. But I really enjoy watching her. And in 2009... I was watching this nonstop. So much so that my mother, who remembers nothing, was like, I mentioned it in conversation the other day when we decided we were going to do this episode. She was like, oh yeah, I remember you having to watch that like every week. I was like, leave me alone. Leave me alone. I'm watching
Daisy of Love. I need to watch it. So who ends up winning is London. Okay. He leaves. He leaves of his own accord. And then he comes back. And he wins. He has a mohawk. Oh, okay. Yeah, you can imagine. My favorite was a guy named Sinister. Ooh. Who was like four feet tall and very skinny. Short king. Yeah. Looking at him now, he looks like 15 years old. Oh. And I think that's why I liked him when I was 15 years old. Because that's when I was watching this, right? And I
was like, yes, he is great. Because he looked like my peer. He looked like I, you know, that seemed plausible. He made it kind of far. He showed up with his best friend and they did it together. And then they ended up fighting. No duh. Plot twist. Yeah. The best was this guy named Fox. He looked, he was a hairstylist. And he looked, he kind of looks like Johnny Depp. But like, I don't know, he's attractive. He was
so stupid. And he had his own little thing when he would talk because he would just talk in circles. And they'd just play in the background like, Fox. Because they were making fun of him. And I wrote down some of his quotes. I would like to hear these quotes. That I wanted to share. I wish that TikTok had been around when this was happening. There'd be quotes of it all the time. Everywhere. So these are some quotes to start with, maybe. Who was Marilyn Monroe, even?
One. I'm a hairstylist. I mean, I cut hair. I'm out, you know? Like sauerkraut. But that doesn't mean I'm gone. I was about to be like, okay. And then you ruined it. It's fitting it's eliminated. He's like, I'm out. You know? Like sauerkraut. But that doesn't mean I'm gone. I feel so awesome that I can be solo with her. Okay. We look hot together. Okay. There's people that they're not and there's people that they are. You know? Not wrong. This is just one word. But, uh, tractioned.
He was attractioned to her. I look into her eyes and I feel like I can conversate. Not a word. But at the same time, silently speaking. That was just one sentence. This one I need a little context. Um, a skunk got into the house at one point and they were all trying to - I kind of wish you said it without context. Okay. Um, everyone thinks they're the crocodile hunter at this point. Were they getting the skunk out? Yeah. Okay. And then there was a guy named Cage. That was
his name because he was a cage fighter. Oh, I love that. And he got really mad at one point. And Fox in his goes, Cage gets furiated. Somebody find me this guy and just, thanks for the laughs, Fox. Thanks so much. I need to, before we leave, I need to look him up. Fox from, not Zootopia. Daisy of Love. I know. He's really something. I would really recommend going home and watching Daisy of Love from start to finish. Daisy De La Hoya is fantastic. The show is so entertaining.
So the first time we rewatched it, me and Justin, because, you know, Justin didn't watch any of this, because, like, what would Jesus do? And so a few years ago, we decided to rewatch. For me, it was a rewatch. For him, it was first time. All the Rock of Loves and Daisy of Love, right? Mm -hmm. Justin's never seen these. And most of the time when we watch these, we're making fun of them. That's sort of our love language
with one another. And so I need you to imagine guys in 2009 -ish and what they were dressed like. Well, like, okay, like, uh, like ripped up. jeans and affliction t -shirts and rip off Ed Hardy. You know, the vibe. Yeah. So they're all standing outside the like house where they're all going to live. And Justin, without any prompting anything for me to rip on these guys, just goes, damn, buckle's going to run out of stuff about how they're all dressed. And I really fell in
love with him then. And we'd been living together for about three years at that point, but I fell in love with him all over again when he said that. So yeah, rewatch these shows with your significant other and enjoy. Mike will absolutely not watch these shows. Or you know what? We should do it together. Let's all have a double date. Okay. Where we watch these shows. Maybe there's alcohol. Because when Justin and I watch these
shows, the goal is to make fun of it. So tell him that he can fully just make fun of them. And that's what we'll do. Okay. And I bet he'll come out of... Well, Mike's not really in a shell, but he'll come out of something. He'll come out a new man. Yep. So I hope you guys have enjoyed this. Is there anything else we didn't get to that you wanted to relive for these shows? I don't think so. They were all wild. I'll tell you that much. I'm sure there's stuff we're missing
because there was so much. So much. This was such a big chunk of history. yeah like the only things that like I remember specific well like so like there's those those of love shows where they're really trying to find their love but then there's like next yeah and like and that's like MTV that's like that's MTV There's, what was the one where the parents are trying to find their - Parental control. Parental control. Oh,
fuck. Room Raiders. Oh, yes. There's so many shows that are in the same vein of early reality. In the same amount of time. Yeah. Like early reality shows on MTV slash VH1. That weren't
real. They were definitely scripted. No. But I genuinely believe that I needed to keep shoes on at all times because I didn't want to go into this - van and have my room raided without shoes on so you thought that room raiders was just kidnaps those people didn't know they were gonna be on the show wow if you want us to kidnap courtney next season Just tell me and I'll make it happen. No. But no, there's so much from this era that we can talk about and we could relive really
specifically. We could do other episodes like this where we kind of take a chunk of the shows and break them down. So if you guys want to hear more of this, I'm sure you fucking will. But if there's something specific, please tell us and we're happy to do it. I mean, I always want to relive these shows. They're so entertaining. They're something. They're really something. I'm glad we were alive for this. Me too, honestly.
Yeah. It was good. It was a good time. Like, I feel so sorry for, like, the kids that are being born now that, like, had no idea. You didn't get to watch Rock of Love while it was happening? That's why, like, I remember, new episode, I gotta watch it. It's actually really funny. So I was watching it last night with my friend Amanda.
Yeah. And her boyfriend was, like, at his, like, family's house watching, having a watch party for... doctor who yeah and her response when he said i'm having a watch party she was like oh what time does it come on and he was like any fucking time i'm streaming it eight seven central dude it was on every every whatever night i'm telling you when i when my mom said i remember you having to watch that it was like daisy of love is on tonight it's the new episode it's
only at this time they didn't just replay it after you had to wait to see it again until vh1 felt like throwing you a fucking bone so it's like i would be like leave me alone and go in my room lock the door watch vh1 yeah you had to Things came on at specific times, new episodes. You didn't just get to binge it. Yeah. You didn't just get to choose when you wanted to watch it. But now I can, and I'm glad I've experienced both. Yeah. It's good times. And we hope you
guys have enjoyed it too. Make sure you binge all of our episodes. Yeah. And we'll be back next week. Yeah. So you get to binge, but you also get to wait until the next time it comes on. Yeah. So stay tuned for the next episode of Clarissa and Courtney of Love. 30 Dirty and Dying of Love. I like that. Boss? See you later. Bye! What are we doing?