What up, 30DD fam? I hate that you went DD. DD. Get out of my laboratory. Yikes. Welcome back to the show. If you're not here, I totally understand. If you clicked off right after that, I get it. No hard feelings. We'll see you next week, hopefully. Or if you never want to talk to us again, that's okay, too. I'm Clarissa. I'm Courtney. And this is 30 Dirty and Dying, a millennial podcast that I hope you're still listening to. Yeah, I think, you know what? I think people heard that and
was like, yeah, I'm gonna stick with this. I hope so. I hope if you did and you feel that way, you have certainly found the right place to be and spend all your Thursdays. We're Millennial Podcast. We talk about nostalgia, life before and after 30, how things are really going as we're getting beyond 30 mark and becoming quote unquote grownups. Some of it great, some of it not so great. A lot of it mediocre and definitely nothing like we pictured our lives to be at this
point. And we're just kind of embracing that and saying, hey, it's kind of fine. See, I don't even know what I pictured myself, you know? Yeah, but it's always like you'll have your shit together. You'll be a grown up. You'll be, you know, you'll have it all figured out. I feel like for me, I just have such like an empty thing going on up here that I just like roll with the punches and I'm okay. Maybe that's the way to be, you
know? Don't put a lot of pressure on yourself to have a certain kind of life or have life look a certain kind of way when you're, you know, a certain age. By your 30s, by your 40s, whatever. Like, everybody says we're the most, like, immature adults. We're the most kid -like grown -ups. And that's probably true. But I think that that's fine. Like, let's just embrace what we really are. I don't need to pretend to be, like, a fucking uppity, hoity -toity. Oh, yes, the wallpaper.
Fuck. Oh, yes, the wallpaper. Yes, taxes. Fixed rates. I don't fucking know anything, okay? I'm waking up each day and I'm trying. And that's all we can ask of anyone. That's all we can do. And I'm trying to have a good time and I'm trying to enjoy my life because we die at the end of this. Yeah. So what's the point of trying so hard? You have to have some fun. Yeah, really. We're just trying to have fun. We're trying to be honest. And not make people feel bad for not
feeling a certain type of way. Or not getting to a certain benchmark. Yes. In life. You know, if you're not there, who fucking cares? You're here. And that's what matters. You woke up. That's good. You're trying your best. Or you're trying the best as you can today. And that's going to vary day to day. Yeah. And we're here for you. Some days, you just need to sit down and watch Holes. And that's what we did. That's what we did. That's how we got here. And now we're going
to talk about it. Yep. We're reliving Holes. A favorite. From the early 2000s. And I think it's one of those movies that everybody has seen. And everybody... I've never met one person who's seen it. Yeah. From our generation who doesn't like it. Everyone should love Holes. It's such a great movie. It's a solid movie. Not just like a solid kids movie. No, it's a solid movie. It's a solid movie. Yeah. And people really like it. So... And on the daily, I say I'm tired of this,
Grandpa. Yep. Yep. And it's just too damn bad. I sing that fucking woodpecker jam so much. If only, if only the woodpecker sighs. The bark on the tree was as soft as the skies. The wolf waits alone, hungry and lonely. He cries to the moon, if only, if only. I also say, um... This is all because of your no -good, dirty, rotten, pig -stealing great -great -grandfather. A lot. So, we're gonna relive holes today. We're gonna just bathe in nostalgia. And sploosh. Sploosh.
Sploosh. Just jump into a hole. That's what we're doing today. Yep. And you're welcome to jump with us, but first, let's jump into our back -in -time hole. Whoa! Back in time. Alright! So, Holes came out in 2003. We already did that back in time here this season. It was actually our season premiere. So go back. I'm sure we talked about Holes. Probably. Back in time. But we're doing 2000. And the reason I decided that 2000 would be a good alternate was because Even
Stevens came out in 2000. And the star of Holes is Shia LaBeouf. Shia LaBeouf's breakout role was Even Stevens. Full circle. We did it. And Even Stevens is one of my favorite Disney shows that was ever on. I really liked it. When did The Hole's book come out? Because, okay, let's be honest. I didn't really start reading until recently, right? Yeah. So back in, like, high school, well, middle school, high school, college even, I, like, never read the required reading.
It was for my gifted class, and it was one of the ones that, like, we could pick a book to do a book report on, and I picked Holes. Nice. But it was in middle school, I think, so the movie had been out for a while. Like, I already knew about it. It was 98 the book came out. Oh, okay. So we've also done 98 this year. Because I was like, why didn't I pick that? We've already done that year as well. But so yeah, 1998 and then 2003. So 2000, kind of right there smack
dab in the middle. Yep. Let me see. So some other shows that came out. Gilmore Girls came out in 2000. Okay. Love it. Malcolm in the Middle. Okay. I've never really watched that. I watched some of it. Yeah. Not a whole lot though. I know I've seen it. Like I've seen episodes, but I was never like super duper into it. No, neither was I. Dora. Dora, Dora, Dora the Explorer. Dora. Something. Boots is simple. Grab your backpack. Jump in. Oh, yeah. Let's go. Jump in. You can lead the
way. Hey, hey. Yu -Gi -Oh. I watched the shit out of Yu -Gi -Oh. Yeah, I had a lot of, like, my guy friends, a lot of them played Yu -Gi -Oh when we were in school. X -Men Evolution was a cartoon. Clifford the Big Red Dog. I watched Clifford. I did, too. I liked it a lot. Yeah. apparently Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. It was a show that was on for a year. Obviously didn't do well. Sorry, Buzz. Oh my god, Jackass. I watched a lot of Jackass. Too much, one might
say. One might say. One might say. As Told by Ginger. Oh. That was, I watched so much As Told by Ginger. I liked As Told by Ginger a lot. I loved it. It was so good. I loved her mom. I don't remember. I remember really liking her mom. Oh, Hamtaro. The hamsters? I watched him. That's why I wanted a hamster. Me too. And I got, and I named him Hammy. I didn't get a hamster. My mom didn't want me to have anything with fur.
Okay. Um, I had hermit crabs and I had a gecko at one point and I had some fish and that it was mostly just the robotic dogs and the for real friends after that. I had the robot dog. Yeah. I had the robot dog. I had like a bunch of the for real friends that would come out and she really, and that would, you know, scratch my itch for about 45 minutes. And I'm like, please give me a dog. And I didn't get a dog until I was 17. So. Well. I had a hamster. Yeah, hamster.
I loved Hamtaro. I loved Hamtaro. I loved it. It was so cute. It was so cute. It's a lovely hamster. Oh, my God. That show Cheaters came out. Were they bus cheaters? Oh, yeah. The reality show? It's still going. Is it really? Apparently, yeah. Well, people still cheat, so. Till the end of time. Unfortunately. Until the end of time. I have some facts. Yeah, hit me with some facts, dude. The game The Sims was released. You know, I've not played it very much. I'm not
a big Sims fan. I... Okay, so, like, I love creating my person and building my house. Yeah. Once I'm done with that, I'm done with the game. I love games like that. Like, I love to create a life and have a world. But then I, too, lose steam. Yeah. Like, I don't want to keep going. I'm just like, ugh, now I have to, like, make money. I would just do the cheat code. Yeah. So I could
like build mansions. It kind of reminds me of when Millsbury was a thing, which Millsbury was a community created by General Mills Cereal. And I was on it. And I had like all these Millsbury people because I loved creating the house and the person. And then I would get kind of bored. So I'd do it again and again and again. Yep. It was the same diff. Yep. Coldplay released their debut album. Ooh. The Last Peanuts comic strip was published. Aw. Because the guy died.
Oh, bummer. The Broadway musical Cats closed after 7 ,485 performances. A dozen eggs cost 89 cents. I'm going to throw up until I'm dead. That's so sad. I know. I just paid like five whole dollars. For like six? Four dollars an egg. E -Harmony launched. Oh, I love love. The U .S. population was 281 ,421 ,906. I stopped listening. The current today U .S. population is 347 ,275 ,807. Hey, did you know Cedar Point, the Millennium Force ride, opened? I know. Which
one's the Magnum XL1? I don't know. This is the Millennium Force, which is what opened in 2000. Okay, that's a good ride. Is it? Yes. Fun fact, I've never been to Cedar Point. However, I used to live in Ohio. Skippity, Ohio. Got it. I'm going to just ignore that. And you could see the roller coasters from Cedar Point from my back door. But you've never went. But I don't think we ever went. Not that I recall. Mike and I went to Cedar Point, and it was really good.
I was really young when we lived there, but I... I know we would have pictures and stuff. My mom took pictures of fucking everything. We never went. The Nokia 3310 phone release, which was that one. I had that one. Remember that brick house? Yeah, I had that one and I had a case for it that had hearts all over it. It looks very similar to when I started being able to get track phones much later. So by the time I was able to get a track phone. This was a couple
years old, obviously. So this was very dated. I want to look up the Nokia sound real quick because it just brings back the memes. Because I know my first track phone, which again was a few years, like 2006 probably, was a Motorola. Oh my God. I've just been transported. Memory. Speaking of cats. Yeah. Hey, you know, they just picked the new Pope. Yeah. From America. Yeah, but in 2000, Pope John Paul II apologized for wrongdoings by members of the Catholic Church
throughout the ages. Okay. All of them, I guess. Okay. I feel like I agree. Yeah. It might be time for another apology. Another apology tour. Let's just do a YouTube apology video. Just re -upload it every 15 to 20 years. Yeah. Would you like to hear some companies from 2000 that no longer exist? Yeah, I guess. I'm gonna get sad. AltaVista. Oh, okay. Blockbuster. Although technically there is still one Blockbuster store. Yeah. But I don't know. Borders. Ugh. Circuit
City. I miss you. Ugh. I miss you too. Forgot about you, to be honest. Those are... Napster. Oh, yeah. That was the one. Radio Shack. I remember Radio Shack in the mall. I hated it in there. It always felt like, not all Radio Shacks, I'm not saying that, but the one in our mall here. I remember going in there like a couple times and I felt like it was a cover. I mean, it probably was. It felt like. Like mattress stores. Yeah, like there's something happening in the back
that I don't, I want to get out of here. Can we just go over to Wet Seal, please? Like. Sharper Image. Ooh, yep. Walden Books. That was my shit. That's where I went for the midnight releases. That's where I bought my books in the mall. That's where I had to apologize for my father's behavior every holiday shopping season. Because we'd go in and get my mom something and he'd be a dick and I'd have to be like, I'm really sorry. And I'm like 10 and I know he's like 40. And yeah,
I have to go home with this and you don't. So maybe just suck it up, Brenda. Anyways. That's all I got. That's all I got. The PlayStation 2 in Japan launched. Didn't the GameCube also come out? That I don't know. That I don't know. Do you want to go out with some songs? Yeah. So the Billboard. Year end. Hot 100 singles of 2000. The Millennium. Say My Name. Say my name, say my name. When no one is around you. Say baby, I love you. Higher by Creed. Can you take me
higher? Good job. Thanks. Smooth by Santana. What a Girl Wants. What a girl wants. What a girl needs. Whatever keeps me happy and sets you free. I'm gonna thank you for knowing exactly what a girl wants. There You Go by Pink. But I don't know the lyrics. It's my favorite Pink song, I think. Maybe ever. Back at One by Brian McKnight. One. It's like a dream come true. Two. Just want to be with you. Three. Girl, it's plain to see that you're the only one for me. And four.
Repeat steps one through three. Five. Make you fall in love with me. Classic. Love it. Love it. The thong song. Thong, thong, thong, thong. I Try by Macy Gray. I try to say goodbye and I choke. I try to walk away and I stumble. Show Me the Meaning of Being Lonely. Show me the meaning of being lonely. Oh, this is my, this is probably my favorite. Absolutely. Story of a Girl. This is the story of a girl who cried a river and drowned the whole world. Raise your hand if you
learned that song from Lizzie McGuire. It was in the Picture Days episode, I think. Oh. And that's when I first heard it. And I was like, this is bitchin'. This is a story of a girl who grabbed a river and drowned the whole world. And while she looks so sad in photographs, you absolutely love her when she smiles. When she smiles. Hey, adulting is hard. We get it. And at 30 Dirty and Dying, we're always trying to find tips, tricks, and tools to make life feel
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who is just delicious. And he has to go to a juvenile delinquent camp in Texas. I think it's in Texas. It just never rains. I don't remember. I'm pretty sure it's in Texas. I think that's part of it. And they dig holes every day to build character. Of course. It builds character. Yeah. But they're really looking for treasure. Treasure. Treasure. Kissing Kate Barlow's treasure, which is an old outlaw. But you gotta be careful because they have the, oh, what are the yellow spotted
lizards? Yep, yep. And rattlesnakes. Of course. Which is why there's even a vacancy at Camp Greenlake because one of the boys tried to kill themselves. Remember the beginning? Barfbag? Yeah. He gets bitten by a rattlesnake and that's why there's an impromptu opening at Camp Greenlake. Which there is no lake. Nope. Remember when he's coming in on the bus and he goes, where's the lake? And they're like, what did I tell you? Don't be a wise guy. It's like, oh, it's Canterbury
Lake. Oh, and he's at court. He's like, well, I've never been to camp. Never been to camp before. Neither have I. Me neither. I didn't have that kind of. Did you know that there's an adult camp? Do you mean a murder location? Yes, you do. It's in New York. It's for murders. It's called. Don't say what it's called. I don't want to get sued. Because it's for murders. Even though it's definitely for murders. Okay. Why would you have an adult camp unless you're going to get murdered? For
fun. Is that what they called Jonestown, too, when they all killed themselves and drank Kool -Aid? Oh, let's go to camp. No, it's called cult, not camp. Same diff. Is it? I think so. Look, I've never been to camp. We were not in the camp tax bracket when I was growing up. No, we didn't have money for camp. And I hated other kids and people. So I was like, even if we did, I think I would have been like, please, hard pass. Um, it's weird. It's weird. It's a weird concept.
Camps, regular camps, not camps where you dig holes for treasure and moral fiber. It's weird. It's so weird to me. It's like, let's just all ship away and sleep in bunk beds with kids we don't know and have these weird adults that have very little qualifications to teach us how to make fucking macrame and then canoes and then... It's weird. It's weird. I don't know. I feel like if I... Was a parent. I would want to get rid of my kid during the summer, too. I wouldn't
want to send them to camp. They may never come back. Okay. What's the problem here? You don't want kids. You don't want kids. This is different. If you have kids and you like them, I wouldn't recommend. It's just weird. Also, as somebody who, I'm not a big fan of, like, if I did have children of my own, which I don't, but if I did, I don't, there'd be no camps, there would be no sleepovers, there would be nothing like that. You wouldn't do sleepovers? No. It's dangerous.
For abuse. Well, what if you have the sleepover at your house? That's fine. Okay. But they're not going anywhere. Okay. With, like, overnight. It's prime spots for predators, is all I'm saying. Okay. And I very much believe that. I wasn't allowed to go to sleepovers. But my mom, for the same reason, was like, no sleepovers. I didn't sleep over until middle school. Yeah, I think I was allowed to go to them once I was, I think I went to, like, two or three. But I was, like,
in very late elementary school. Anyways, Camp Green Lake. Not Camp Crystal Lake. Well, could have been the same. I'd rather, well, you know what? I'd rather be at Camp Crystal Lake than Camp Green Lake because I do not have the body strength to dig holes. I'd rather just be murdered. Yeah. The first hole I dig is the last hole I'm digging and I'm just getting at it and waiting for death. Yeah. So, I don't know. Let's go through some of the characters, I guess, to start off.
So, Stanley Yelnats III. Fourth. The third, the dad. Oh, okay. Henry Winkler. Henry, I love him. He's great. It's so funny that he's trying to create a shoe deodorizer. And that's his whole life. I don't remember that. That wasn't in the book. We're not talking about the book. I know, but I'm just trying to remember. It's been a long time. I don't remember anything about the book. I read it the one time in school and that was it. I just remember being surprised that
it. It stayed, like, true to movie. Or, like, the movie stayed true to book. Okay. Well, that's good. That's always a good sign, I see. So it might have been correct that his dad was doing that. I just like... Mad scientist. Yeah. I just love that phrase. The house was a fucking disaster. Oh, yeah. And the grandpa was like... I like the beginning scene where the cops come to get Stanley IV. And he's like, you don't have to answer that. Don't tell them that. We have the
right to remain silent. He's just so firm, but in a really funny way. I really like him. And then he tells the story of Stanley Yelnats, your no -good, dirty, rotten, pig -stealing great -great -grandfather, which their family's cursed. And I relate to that. I remember seeing that movie as a kid. Did your dirty, rotten, pig -sealing great -grandfather fuck shit up? Of course. I believe so. I don't have a great... I don't have,
like, the origin story. We've not all been like, oh, well, this is because of, you know, Grandpa Jay. I don't know. But I'm sure. So, good representation for Family Curses. Love it. Mm -hmm. But yeah, so, I like... The Stanleys are all sick. My favorite... He goes to the camp and obviously he's got his little crew detent x -ray. And I like Magnet. Oh, yeah. He seems nice. And then obviously Zero. Zero's my fave. Zero's my fave, probably. The little guy. And then I like Zigzag. Zigzag's
the weird one. The one that steals cars. No. No, that's... Later. Yeah, when they think that Stanley's gone. When they think that Zero's gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what they call him, but... Twitch? Twitch! Yeah, he's all Twitchy and he steals cars. Yes. I liked him. Yeah, he was cool, but he came later. Armpit. Yeah. Armpit. A -R -M -P -I -T -H -E -T. What is that? You smell a dog? That's me. Don't take showers. Don't brush my teeth. All I do is dig holes, eat, and
sleep. Yep. And then Squid. Squid's the other
kid that... He talks to him a lot. He tells him about, like... when x -ray goes in for the shortest shovel he tells them he tells him why he's like shorter shovel smaller hole he's in a lot of scenes like he talks a lot but he's like not he doesn't have a super recognizable nickname so um but yeah i'd say my tops i like zigzag just because he's so fucking weird zigzag is the one that um he's tall he kind of has an accent yeah and he's like with the the hair yeah with
the hair You got to go dig those holes. And I love that. But yeah, Zero is just... I love him so much. He just wants to learn how to read. And I like... He's good at digging holes. He's so good. You know? Everybody has different talents. But he's just like, can you teach me how to read? And it was Zero all along that... was the reason why Stanley was there to begin with. Yeah, so if you're unfamiliar... Which I think is so funny because the shoes that were stolen were cleats
that were too big for Zero. And in, like, the... Showing him steal the cleats and running with them was hilarious because they did not fit. Yeah, well, he just wanted shoes. He just wanted shoes, and they were nice shoes. I mean, and they're cool. Like, he wasn't thinking that much about it. And that really, they are just kids. It's not this, like, watching it now, especially, it's just like, they're just, like, kids, and all these things that they did to, like, get
there and break the law. I mean, yeah, they broke the law, but they did it in such a kid way. Like, it's not like watching fucking Goodfellas. Yeah. Where, you know, it's just, he wanted shoes. He thought the shoes were cool, so he took them. Yeah, that's why I'm so surprised, though, because, like, There was no, like, Stanley was just like, he was hit in the head with these shoes. Yeah. And then the cops came, like. Wrong place, wrong time. Wrong place, wrong time. But, like, it
was not a fair trial. Fuck you, kid. You stole these shoes. Go dig a hole. Well, criminal justice. If you're unfamiliar, basically, Stanley, or if you're not unfamiliar, but if you've forgotten, Stanley goes to Camp Green Lake because he's accused of stealing those shoes. Zero is actually the one who stole the shoes. Also, Zero's family and the Yelnats family go back farther because the whole curse is because of his great -great
-whoever -grandmother, Madame Zeroni. Because Stanley Yelnats I fucked over Madame Zeroni and didn't take her up the mountain to let her drink, like, because of this, uh... the solid that she did for him yeah back in the old country back in the old country he was trying to buy a woman essentially you know buy the rights to this woman we love love um by having the biggest pig yeah so in order to have the biggest pig he had to climb up the mountain with the pig carry carry
the pig up the mountain let him drink And become big and stronger. Yeah, Madame Zeroni gave him, like, a... I mean, it's sold, like, kind of, like, magic -y, mystical, but I don't know that it is. And her only request was, once you're done with this, you carry me up so I can drink and become strong again. Like, as a thank you. Yes. Like, the full circle. And he got the girl and just, like, peaced out, I guess. He didn't get the girl. I thought he got the girl. No,
so the pigs are the same size. Oh, she just picked. Yeah, so they... Girl's father. Is like, you can pick. You can choose who you want. Novel idea. And the other guy is like this old guy and he's really gross and whatever. And she's like, well, which one? Whatever. Like, she doesn't immediately pick the young, attractive guy who actually seems to really like her. So he's like, fuck you and fuck this. I'm going to America. And he just goes to America and does not come
back from Madame Zeroni. So family curse ensues. Which, fair. Yeah. I think more people would be better to each other if we could do that. And maybe we can. Give curses. Witches. I know you're out there. Witches unite. You're on TikTok and Instagram. You're out there. I see all your content. I love it. I don't engage with it very much because it's just not for me. I don't know anything about it. But maybe you should bring back family curses. Might help some folks. Just
not to us. No. Well, you already have one, but I don't. I'm sure I, please. I don't need another one. Please. It's, please. We're already so, like, dead inside. Can you reverse mine, please? Can we talk? Send me a DM. Do you need to carry Madame Zeroni up the mountain? Yeah. I do. Madame Zeroni, wherever you are. Well, Eartha Kitt is dead. Huh? Eartha Kitt is dead. That's who plays Madame Zeroni. She was a famous singer. Oh. You know the song Santa Baby? Santa Baby. That's
her. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay, cool. So she's dead now. Santa Baby was Madame Zeroni? It's all coming together. Is it? Is it? Welcome to the No More Leafies podcast. I'm Jackie. And I'm Danielle. And we're just two best friends and ex -Blockbuster employees. This is not a democracy, it's a chirocracy. You're watching some of the best and worst movies from the late 90s and early 2000s. I burn, I pine, I perish. And diving into the pop culture moments that defined a generation. I see death.
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i like the flashbacks To Kate Barlow. And, I mean, the reason why everything happened with her was because of racism. Yeah. Because she fell in love with... Sam. Sam, yep. Who was African American. Yep. And they didn't like that. So they set the school on fire and they killed him. And she decided to be a fucking outlaw forever. Which, honestly, good for her. I mean, feminism, hello. She's great. I like the flashbacks too. What I like about it is that everything connects.
Nothing is an accident. Like, you know, the story with Kissin' Kate Barlow and how she's the one who robbed another Stanley Yelnats and everything has all this really well thought out connective tissue and it's portrayed really well on screen. Yes. And I really love that. Like, it feels like a real movie and not just like... sit your kids
down in front of this so they'll shut up. Yeah, because, like, you can get, like, obviously you don't know it's all connected until the end, but, like, I just like how you have all these separate stories. Yeah. And then you're just, like, connecting with all of these, like, characters. From different times. From different times. And then it's just, like, all makes sense. Yep. But also, even though you don't know all the connection until the end, it's really well paced. Mm -hmm.
Like, it's not this M. Night Shyamalan pacing where it's like, oh my god, what? It's... You kind of get everything gradually that keeps you wanting to watch, but also keeps enough mystery that you're not bored. Right. I really enjoy it. And then it all connects even further because we talked about when we first started that his dad wants to make a shoe deodorizer. And the thing that keeps them alive is drinking the juice
from the peaches that Sam made, or canned. And the onions that are on God's Thumb Mountain. And that mixture, apparently, is great for... Deodorizing. Yep. And then the whole reason why the curse is broken is because Stanley carries Zero up the Thumb. Yep. And he sings that song while he drinks from the stream. Just idly. He knows that song from his family history, so he's
just singing it. But he happens to be singing it while Zero... drinks from the stream on god's thumb mountain and it undoes the curse and then everybody wins and it rains yeah and then all of the uh kids at the camp because they realize that it's not sanctioned no um multiple violations multiple violations gets to leave yeah um and then in the end end they all like have houses to get, mansions, because, like, they were owed a ton of money because of the situation they
were in. Well, and the treasure. Well, and the treasure. The treasure, yeah. So the treasure that was stolen by Kiss and Kate Barlow, the whole reason that the camp exists is because they want to find this treasure, and the treasure belongs to the Yelnats family. Because his name is on the treasure box. The treasure box! Yeah. So they get it, and it's a bunch of money, and they can use it to buy mansions and do all this cool stuff. And they spread the love. Yeah, I
like how... Something that made me laugh. Okay. So they're... When Stanley and Zero come back to find the treasure, because they know where the hole is based on that rock. Yeah. And they dig the hole and they find the treasure, right? Yeah. When... But they don't move because of all of the... Yellow -spotted litters. Yellow -spotted litters. Litters? Yeah. But they don't know that they're okay because the onions. Yeah.
Because they had no idea. But when everyone comes back and sees them, all of a sudden there are stairs. Did you know that there's, like, they just, like, walk in, they're, like, in the hole, but all of a sudden, like, these stairs in the ground appear. Did you not notice that? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, very inconsistent. Yeah, no, I was not aware of this. Because they just dug the hole, obviously, and they, like, dug into the hole and, like, created
it bigger so they could find, um. the treasure, but, like, whenever they, like, come out of the hole, it's just, like, this stair. This, like, staircase. They climb out of the hole. What do you mean? They climb out. No, they don't. Yeah, they do. What are you talking about? I'll show you. Okay. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. But anyways, I also like the fact that, um, they think Zero can't read, but he was like, this is his. Yeah, it says his name. Stan Lee
yelled that. It's like, your name is the same forward as it is backwards. Reading is power. Can we talk for one moment about Sigourney Weaver being so fucking cool? The warden. Yeah, in her jean shirt and jean pants. Absolutely. And boots. Yeah. For me, it's the rattlesnake venom that she puts in her nail polish. That is so hot. And when she slaps Mr. Sir. I just like that he calls himself Mr. Sir. Yeah, but his real name is like, what, Muriel or something? It's
like really fucking stupid. Yeah. But she hits him and his face gets so fucked up because of the rattlesnake venom in her nail polish. And her car is cool. And I like that part where she comes out after they think they've found a clue to the treasure. you know, inherited the place and has been looking for the treasure ever since her grandfather was looking for the treasure. Right. So, um, I like that part where they think they found a clue, that lipstick tube of kissing
Kate Barlow's. And she's like, fill everyone's canteen. And, uh, Dr. Pendanski, mom is like, At the beginning, I'm just like, this guy seems nice. No, he's a fuck. He's mean to Zero from the jump. That's true. But she's like, fill everyone's canteen. And he's like, I already filled them. And she's just like, fucking what did you say? Excuse me? Yeah. And then she grabs one and she shakes it right in front of his head and goes, can you hear the empty spaces? I love it. I love
it. Like, she's, I love her. She's doing horrible things. Because she was tired of this grandpa. Yeah. Yeah, she's doing horrible things. But I like the character. She's really fun to watch. Yeah, she's badass. Mr. Sir's name is Marion. I was close. I said Muriel. Yeah. Muriel is from Courage the Cowardly Dog. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. But yeah, she's super cool. And then, I don't know. I just like the camaraderie. Of all the
boys. Like, it's just, they do, you know, kind of tease each other and bully each other a little bit. But it doesn't get, like, horrific. You know what I mean? They're just assholes. They're not even that much of an asshole. Not really. The boys aren't. I mean, no more than they are to each other or to Caveman, a .k .a. Stanley. Right. Like, they're not, it's all within the realm of, like, normal. Yeah. Kids just ripping on each other. They do seem to have a close bond.
I mean, it's definitely a trauma bond. Let's be real. But I do like it. Like watching it makes me feel like I'm like with friends. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I also, I guess I never, I get back in, back in the day when I first watched it. Yeah. I was always just like, how can you just leave your kid zero? Yeah. How can you just
leave him in a, like, uh. park yeah but they were homeless she wasn't like abandoning him right they were homeless and she had to go and work get money whatever their situation was and he happened to be discovered by authorities right well see but that's what i'm saying like back then i'm just like well how could this happen yeah but as an adult looking like into i'm just like okay it's a lot more nuanced yeah you get a lot more of those nuances that go with the
intersections of crime and poverty and race and there's a lot of that in this movie yeah really it's it's not so much that a kid can't watch it and enjoy it and get the movie and get the moral of the story but watching it as an adult which is something we try to talk about when we relive these things you can see a lot of those intersections and that nuance which is it's it's cool it makes for a good experience that's well -rounded still holds up you know what i mean
So I like that. What are some other things that are hitting different as an adult or that, I don't know, not necessarily different, but just you notice watching it now that maybe you didn't notice when you were watching it as a kid? Well, obviously as a kid, I didn't catch on to the racism with Kate and Sam. Yeah. Because I'm like, why can't they be together? You know what I mean? Why would they kill him? I think I got it. Well, you know. I was a real history kid, though. I
was not. I liked history a lot, so I kind of understood some of that. You're right. It's similar to what we just said. It's there. You don't have to get it. But as an adult, you can really see deeper into the story. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, definitely that. I think for me, the thing that is more infuriating as an adult is how terribly the camp... Is running. Oh, yeah. And how, I mean, because it's, when you're a kid, it's obvious.
Like, it's bad. It's a bad place to be. But you don't really understand, like, from an adult's perspective of, like, the violations. How bad it really is. Yeah. And then as, like, watching it now, I'm like, oh my god. How the fuck are court, is this court ordered? Yeah. Who's doing these audits? Yeah. They have to be inspecting this place sometimes, right? Yeah. And that they could just, like, destroy files. Because remember when Zero runs off. They just got rid of it.
Yeah, they're like, destroy the file. He was never here. Yeah. Because he's a ward of the state. And he had no family. Yeah. So we can just get rid of him. And the fact that they could feasibly do that and probably have done it before is insane. And that the food and there's no, there's hardly any water. Like, the conditions are horrific. And they're just, it's fine. welcome to Texas, I guess. I don't know. I do like it
that it rained when they came back though. Cause like it was, it was a nice like climactic moment. I liked it too. It felt like a, like a resolve for everything. Like they'd been so miserable in that heat and the whole, it's really well, like the setting is great. It's really immersive. So the, it raining really tiles into that. Cause man, when you're watching it, I get parched. Like, you can just feel the, like, it's hot. The dry. Desolate. And then the rain. I just
choked. I need it. I need it. But it really does, it's, you can almost feel, like, the relief that comes with the rain. And that's something for, like, a really visually impactful movie. Again, kid or not, so. I think we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the song. Which song? The song. Digging up them holes. Digging it. Do you remember watching Disney Channel back in the 2000s and in the commercials they would play the music video? Mm -hmm. My favorite thing ever. Two,
hold on, two something, two tokens in hand. I got no respect cause I'm the new man. I got my shovel, shoes full of sand. Check out the tag. The name's Caveman. Oh. Caveman. I almost said Sandman. You did say Sandman. Wake up in the morning before the sun. Keep digging that hole till the day is done. And we know armpit. Yeah. We've said that every time. X -Ray is the one that has like a, it's like a real rap. Yeah.
His part. It's like. I loved it. Like seeing this, I felt so cool listening to this and knowing the words. It was just cool. As a kid, it was super cool. And honestly, now. Someone commented on this and said, Disney used to play the absolute hell out of this video on pretty much every commercial break. And it just never got old. This is beyond a certified classic. I could, you know, it's not on Spotify and it really fucking should be.
It's not on Spotify? It wasn't last time I checked, because I tried to listen to it, like, not that long ago. Let me look up that detent voice. They don't have it. See, this is why I liked YouTube music better. Because anything that's on YouTube
is on YouTube music. Well. But I don't pay for... platinum anymore or premium yeah i don't know premium i used to but then i'm like nah i'll just go to spotify i'm gonna be real one of the main reasons that i'm like we have got to keep disney plus is so that i can watch holes whenever i want see now i want to go home watch holes and i think i will i think i will too i have to put clothes away so yeah i'll watch it i had it on this morning i mean i like i said i did
a rewatch not that long ago to like for this yeah then I mean, it's before we decided to do this, but it's been on the list for a while. But I just like to watch it every so often because it holds up. It's so good. If anyone that's listening to this right now has never watched Holes. Or if you haven't watched it since you were a kid, watch it. Watch it right now. Right now. Dig the hole. Well, you don't need to dig holes. But it builds character. You know, I don't think
I've ever dug a hole. I've used a shovel. Like, in the sand. I've used a shovel. Yeah. On dirt. But I've never dug a hole. No. I've never, like, dug a hole for a body or anything. No, definitely not. Never did that. For sure. Never did it. Never. Why would you even say that? So sincere. Yeah, never happened. No, it's how I fucked up my back for the first time. I was using a shovel and digging, not a hole, but like digging into the ground to make a patio. So you're just not
cut out to dig holes? Nah. Especially not now. Oh no, I would probably kill myself on, not even on purpose, just an accident. No, I'd just die. I would just die. And in heat? I can't even stand in the heat. Are you trying to make me feel like I'm in hell? No Camp Green Lake here. But no, go watch Holes or at least go listen to the Dig It Up song. Like I'm watching the movie in my head, you know, as we're like talking about it. I see the scenes. I know the feelings. I'm all
happy about it. I love this movie. It's top. Top tier movie. It's fully an immersive experience, but sometimes it's an immersive experience. It's hard to separate yourself from it. Yeah. To talk about it. Yeah. But we did our best and we just love it so much. You know why I think I can't pick a favorite scene? Why? Because I love it all. I kind of agree with you. Like, I don't, there's not one thing that really like stands out to me. The whole movie is great. The whole
movie is so good. The whole movie is great. I super agree with you. I think, because like I said, a few scenes that I like and things that I remember, but really it's the whole experience. Yeah. holes it's the whole experience it's the whole experience the whole experience and just just relive it it's a great nostalgic experience and it's a movie that definitely holds up even as adults yes so amazing work holes great job let's dig it and thanks for listening bye Digging
up them holes. Dig it. Digging up them holes. Yeah.