Well whiskey coming thak my pain, money don't From Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot Com. This is the Three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and power Lines International Woman of Mystery Lucretia. Have you gotta giving? Let that whiskey bloon where you're being in love down in loon. Welcome everybody to a special Thanksgiving edition of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour. This is John You, one of your hosts, and I'm joined
this weekend by my two favorite co turkey consumers, Steve Hayward. Steve, how are you and where are you? Well, you know, I'm on my usual location here at the bottom end of the Salinas Valley, where it is up to upper seventies in daytime and down on the low thirties at night, which is giving a nice This is one of the largest diurnal temperature swing regions in the entire world, that turns out, which is why the wine is so good from here. Well, you've also just described the range of
reactions between the wealthy and Lucretia towards Nicky Haley. And we're joined here by the star of the show, the international Woman of Mystery, Lucretia. Lucretia, how are you? Where are you and what are you up to this thing? I'm home now, John, I just got back late last night from Montana, from Helena, where I have very dear friends of this absolutely gorgeous place, a huge place overlooking all of the valley, the Helena Valley,
to the other side of the mountains. We actually went. This won't mean anything to you because you haven't seen Yellowstone, but just for the heck of it, we all went to the Governor's to the capitol and the only one working was the governor in the whole because it was Tuesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday before Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. And not only was the governor there, but I think you guys saw the picture I sent outside of his office.
He has the American flag and then the Montana flag and the Israeli flag. Yeah, of course, John, you don't watch Yellowstone. But what we know. I know what's really going on. She was doing a week long cosplay as Beth Dutton up in Montana. That was the real trip. That's what's really going on here. Many listeners will understand that reference. I forgot to get a picture of me walking down the stairs that you know, the famous stairs, but we did go up and down the stairs, and yeah,
it was lovely. There's a outside of my friend's house. There's a huge herd of about a thousand elk. Now it's like a hundred, but which one night we had for dinner because my friend shot one of the bow and arrow and it fell off the ridge down into his backyard and so we had a grilled elk for dinner and that was delicious the night before Turkey dinner.
And it was just lovely hiking. And Montana has good politics. You know, you, Steve, when you came up with Lucretia's moniker, you should now call her the domestic woman of mystery because it's not international travel, it's domestic travel. Actually, the listeners should all know that the three of us to be with our loyal listeners, we all turned down a conference in Milan to be together because it was too close to Thanksgiving and it ran into
our schedule. So some of our friends from previous conferences are now I don't know what they eat in Italy for Thanksgiving because they probably don't give thanks on Thanksgiving because that's when law their population left for here. Well, let me ask you, guys, what did you do? Steve? You're a world renowned gormand what did you cook up for Thanksgiving? I hope you post some of your pictures on the line block. Yeah, no, I didn't take
any take. I collaborate with one of my old friends to rotisserie a turkey on a Weber grill, and that's a great way to have it. Well, the other way I will often do it is deep fried, which is really good too, and a lot of fun and suitably dangerous. Right. You can, you know, set fire to your house if you don't know what you're doing. But I do know what I'm doing, so I've done it quite successfully several times. You know what the problem is? You have
to do it in peanut oil. You shouldn't eat peanut oil. Number one. Number two. I can spend more money on peanut oil than I can on the turkey. Yeah, and then you have to throw it away, and it's okay, but I'd rather I don't mind rotsisstery a turkey, But you can't rotissery be a very big one, that's the problem. Yeah, we did one before we left for Montana, but it was only like fourteen fifteen pounds something like that, and it was just barely turnable on the rotisserie.
Anyways, it's good. You should try it. It is very good. Well, one job you just make. I suppose you know, to the McDonald no ah, you know, if they had a turkey product, I'd be all over it. I don't know why they don't have one of those turkey stuffing and gravy sandwiches like they do in my hometown of Philadelphia for
sale. But one note of seriousness before we move on to the tox Maybe maybe some of our readers and listeners are content this weekend because we spare them having to read what progressives say about Thanksgiving, and actually it ties in in an unusual way with what's going on on our college campuses with the Gossahamas War. Many of you may have noticed that there's all this language about Israeli's being colonialists and oppressors and the Palestinians being the oppressed. I think a lot of
that goes back to originally the progressive critique of Thanksgiving. Progressives hate Thanksgiving because it marks the invasion of North America by whites, the colonial suppressors against the Native Americans, so some choice quotes to get the Thanksgiving juices started. Thanksgiving
Day should be known as National Land Theft and American Genocide Day. According to Huffington Post contributor Nicole Breedlove, she asks, so when you sit down to dinner this year, think about the countless Native Americans who lost their lives so
you can carve a turkey and get the best deals. On Black Friday, University of Texas at Austin professor Robert Jensen declared one indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self indulgent family feasting with the National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self reflective, collective fasting. So, John, I have one Christian what do you think of you? Well, first, let me tell you so one of the things you
said you were going to ask me what I was thankful for. All of my friends and all of their young, very young adult children are very very conservative. But the oldest son has a girlfriend who's a Native American Indian medical student, and she is very very liberal for all the obvious reasons when he met her, and he's very proud of the fact that he's slowly moving her where she should be, but she wasn't there. She sent a him a text on Thanksgiving morning saying, since we gave you all of our land,
you should be thankful and hero back. Isn't it more like you gave up all your land? So hers was tongue in cheek, of course, But because he's made he's made great progress. But it's such nonsense, you know, what a beautiful thing. And of course you know why we're very serious about our Thanksgiving, it's because of Abraham Lincoln. Say, he's giving proclamation. And I think that I'm going to go to the heart of the matter.
What progressives are incapable of. Is this the what I consider the paramount virtue, and that as gratitude, and gratitude is not just sort of you know, wow, I'm thankful for this really great turkey, but especially the stuffing gratitude is just like a way of life. Wow, we are so
blessed to live in this country. And you know what, all of those Native American Indians, the ones that we didn't kill a small box now I'm just kidding, are grateful to be living in this country too, And you know it should be and you know, history is a series of conquerors and conquerres, and get over it and move on. It's so dumb. But what progressives should do is sit down for a moment, stop the self indulgence of guilt that they seem to live their life by, and be grateful and
thankful for all the blessings that we have just living in this country. I mean, never mind, go one step further, fine, but just the great fortune of living in this country, even as awful as it is right now, is something every American should be profoundly grateful for. Okay, done
pontificating your turn, Steve. Well. Now, first of all, John, I should be stated directly that Black Fridays matter, and you can already see the potential contradictions in the progressive creed by not acknowledged by by running down Black Friday. Okay, more seriously, look, first of all, this is simply of a piece with I've used the phraseman, who I'll use it
again? What Roger Scrutin called so succinctly the culture of repudiation. Whatever it is about Western civilization that works, the left hates it and wants to tear it down and will use any excuse so it can be, you know,
Israel's the excuse of the month. And by the way, there's been some really great articles by various people lately, I don't have command of the authors right now, pointing out that Hamas changed their charter twice in the last twenty years and adopted this Western university language about colonialism as the axis of their chief grievance against Israel. Now that's what's picked up by the campus left and the American left in this whole business. But I'm the Thanksgiving business. Actually,
Lucretia, he made a reference to smallpox. You know. I once asked Charles Mann, who's an anthropologist has written two really great books about well, one was fourteen ninety one, what was North America or the America's like before Columbus arrived and in fourteen ninety three, what were the changes that that inflection point marked. They're really pretty they're really good books. Because he's a great
writer. And I asked him once because he pointed out one of those books that actually those civilizations, especially of Central America, the Aztecs and so forth, they actually built boats and did some sailing out on the ocean and some fishing. They never did any trans atlantic or transpacific travel, at least that we know of, or in any kind of scale. So the question I asked was what would have happened if the pattern of exploration had gone the other
direction? Suppose the Hastex had built big ships and sailed to Spain, maybe even in large numbers. Would the conquest have gone the other direction? He says, Oh, no, of course not, because the big problem for the Native American populations on this content was they did not have any immunity to a lot of the diseases influence on other things that had run rampant through the
European populations that had intermixed for centuries. Right. And you know, ninety percent of those Central American explorers conquerors who went to, say, to New York would have died. And so that's why the you know, the smallpox thing has always been greatly exaggerated for ideological purposes. Right. So the last thing I guess i'd say is something I think I've also said again, But
I'm seeing new signs of this. You know, they do these land acknowledgments, and you know we've seen THET Berkeley, right John, And I'm sure they are in Arizona too, Lucretia, right, and ever before every year. Right. And And what I noticed is, and I've said this before too, is that some administrator, if a student gives it, administrator will say, oh, thank you for that beautiful statement, which they don't mean
at all. It's completely patronizing and condescending, because no one ever makes a suggestion, well we should give the land back, shouldn't we Every time, Well, well you're okay, you're the outlas, so give it back, right. Instead, all we do is d named buildings. That's as far
as we go. And that's not even necessarily a Native American business. That's if you know, if you're John Bolton, you said something mean about the Chinese and the eighteen Ages, you get your name stripped from the Law School of Berkeley. Okay, So this is not serious. So only Israel is seriously expected to uh to give back their land and to have riots in the
streets and demonstrations demanding such. What's that? Okay, yes, of course, But the point is that you don't ever see any serious demonstrations or movements to say, let's give the land back to Native Americans. Why is that, Well, there are a whole lot of reasons you can point to, but one is is that you know, anti Semitism is easy to tap into for the left, and that's one reason why. The latest story, sorry
I'm rambling. The latest story is a teacher at a public high school apparently in Queens had to hide out from a student mob that discovered on Facebook that she had attended a pro Israel rally in New York. Do you think it's so important for those early education professors to propagandize their students so they can propagandize
their preschool students. Yeah, no, I understand all that. That's been going on for years, and it's so now we're at a crisis point at all this and we'll see, as Trump likes to say, we'll have to see what happens. Let me bring it to a conclusion. Just my own personal thought is that no country is perfect. And of course the United States says had difficulties morally with Indians, and of course what we've talked about eight
times in the podcast slavery just like any nation. But that doesn't detract, I think from I think America's exceptionalism and uniqueness. We should give things to think about what the world would like if there had been no United States. Think about what the world would have been like if we had allowed Native American Indian tribes to maintain possession of the Americas. You know, we'd be we might all be speaking Russian or German right now? They come over, isn't
the story that they came over the bearing straight from Russia? So they're actually really originally Europeans anyway? Or going to play the game let's play it? Yeah, I mean that goes to this other question about thanksgiving. Who? Why does who do you get to? Who? Goes Lucretia's point. You know, there's been Human history is full of conquerors and conquests and defeated and winners. Who gets to decide who's the oppressor versus the colonialist today versus one
thousand years ago, five hundred years ago. You know, yesterday's a colonialist, is today's oppressed any further with the environmentalists, because not only are you colonizing were native or sorry, that's not even right anymore, it's indigenous people,
but you're also displacing the indigenous fauna, flora, and animals. And how horrible is that that you would actually build a house in the middle of some place where there was actually some kind of worm that lived there, and that worm might be endangered for all you know, well, never mind the worms, the darn you know, they killed the Holy mammoths. Man who did he sounding like Joe Biden against tagline, Yeah, I mean, I
mean right. I mean people make jokes about the fundamentalist Christians who think human beings lived alongside dinosaurs. But you know, the Native Americans, you know it, did live alongside wooly mammoths who were dangerous animals. So they killed them. All made perfect sense. They tasted good. I wish I had a wooly mammoth, though they're pretty cool looking. So well, there's talking they had the nick mammoth, so that's how I'd want to consume it.
Yeah, so let's let's move off Thanksgiving and start with our substantive issues for the podcast. So first, there's been overwhelming demand on the power Line blog for Steve to explain his wayward views on the First Amendment. For those who
didn't listen to last week's episode, we had a debate. I think it could fairly be said to be Steve and the Crucia versus me about whether the government has the right to restrict certain kinds of speech or points of view in the public sphere, and this came this was prompted by Governor DeSantis order banning
various Palestine student groups from Florida campuses. Steve. Before Steve goes, I just want to say, John, surprisingly enough, you've got the most positive comments that you've probably gotten on any podcast, because either either Steve and I didn't do a very good job of it, or there's you know, it's a tough question, you know, absolutist First Amendment versus if you try to make distinctions, who makes those distinctions and and how are they enforced, et
cetera. So I just want you to know. I mean, the smart people were not in favor of you, John, but all my comments is being positive when you're talking about it. Well, see see Lucretia. John has those special glasses he got from a cracker jack box that filters out all the negative comments about him, and he only reads the positive ones. Look, all that shows is how how I want to be plad about this, how philosophically illiterate so many of our own dear readers have become. I think,
I mean, this is a general pop problem. Here's the one. I'll restated as briefly as I can, as simply as I can. Uh. I'm laying out the principle, not necessarily the practice, but the principle that free speech is not in in itself, it's a means to republican smaller
republican deliberation and ultimately the protection of all of our rights. And therefore, as a matter of principle, as a matter of clarity, in the abstract, we are perfectly justified in restraining the speech or delegitimizing a group that would use the power they would acquire through their use of the right of free speech to deny free speech to everyone else. That is why, by the way, does anyone you know the Nazi Party is out lawed in Germany? Does
anybody contest that and think that's wrong now in America? But we couldn't do in America, But it's okay for Germans. That's kind of a historicist relativist argument that I think is defective now as a matter of whether it is wise to try and put that abstract principle into practice, that's a matter of prudence and a different question. And there I think you are correct John that we probably should not press that argument one because the underlying fum I mentioned would turn
around and boomerang against us. It already kind of does with the hate speech CRUSE Agency on college campuses and elsewhere and online. But I do think it's important to understand the principle because that opens up into the whole broader foundation of our republic and the purpose of republican government to preserve our individual rights. And it's, by the way, it parallels exactly the arguments about slavery, it
seems to me. And of course a lot of the practical arguments Lincoln made were just that dictates of prudence, rather than absolutism, demanded complete abolition at a stroke would have been to lose the entire cause. And so a similar dynamic goes on here. And now lucretia will correct a remand more we not correct you, but add to that, because it's not just a matter of prudence, it's understanding. I wish for some reason, this is one quote
I can never get down. But when Lincoln says that public opinion is everything, public opinion is everything, he who may he forms public opinion has greater effect than anybody who makes laws, or the or the courts, and so what's happening here, even below the level of prudence, is a kind of
the framing of the narrative. God forgive me for that. But as long as we are willing to tolerate the kind of censorship that comes to right upon the right from the left, and they control that entire debate, then of course we've lost the game. It's not just enough to say I don't want the Biden administration censoring me, because we see what they do, and so
we don't want them censoring anybody. But what we've really got to do, and it's what Steve said, I just want to push the point a little further, and that is, let's remind everybody why it is we have freedom of speech. To remind people it's not so Rashid Talib can open her ugly, fat mouth and spew hatred. That's not what the First Amendment's for. Now again, prudentially, isn't it better for us to let her open her big, fat, ugly mouth at every turn and people see how awful,
how horrible, what a subhuman, despicable more on she is? Probably so, But then there's the other side of it, which I mentioned earlier, which is as long as the propaganda is being what's the word promulgated on on young impressionable call it stupid people who have been taught not to critically think, but just to feel, and you can certainly encourage them to embrace this whole
self indulgent guilt about whatever it is colonials, oppressors, et cetera. Then what we've got is a situation where the stark terms you want to present it in John, you absolutist, positivist First Amendment to get it, I totally get it. I'm not I'm actually not making fun of John. The problem
is she didn't throw some human mouth in there too. But it's it's a war we've already lost if we can't come back to the very root of the matter and say the First Amendment doesn't exist, so that Rashida Talib can say from the River to the Sea and then pretend it doesn't mean what it means, because in this I mean it's I think this is more true than it's ever been with social media and disinformation campaigns, which are not, by the
way, promulgated by the right, that we've got to do something to change public opinion and public understanding and how that works. It's a very difficult question, and that's where prudence comes back in. But it's not enough just to say the First Amendment should be absolute, because the people in charge have already used that to their advantage to stop people like you and me and Steve from being able to speak what we know to be true. That's my concern about
it. But Shine, I told you last time, I don't know what the answer is other than to keep talking about it. So two points. Here's the Lincoln quote, which I think is a wonderful quote. It says he said, in this age, in this country, public sentiment. Notice he didn't call public opinion. Public sentiment is everything. With it, nothing can fail against it, nothing can succeed whoever Molt's public sentiment goes deeper than
he who enacts statutes or pronounces judicial decisions. And then one second point, I have a hypothetical question for you both. But this is really I think illuminating, and sorry listeners that we continue with the subject. But I think it is really a very productive discussion. Is from the lawyer's perspective, I see two different approaches to the First Amendment and I'm surprised that the one you're
taking, both of you are taking. So you can say there's an instrumental value to free speech, you know what other greater goals does free speech allow us to achieve? Here both of you saying free speech is an instrument that allows us to engage in republican self government. I thought you were actually going to make more of a natural rights argument based on a kind of lockey in theory that oh, no one gives up their right to free speech when they
enter society. It's just one of those natural rights that no government would take away. So here's my hypothetical question for you both. Are you both arguing that it is impossible to have a legitimate political system that denies the right of free speech. Could you have a government that was legitimate even though it doesn't protect free speech. I suppose it's possible if you've got that public sentiment that has all the right elements to it. But John understands something I actually believe.
I don't believe that freedom of speech is a natural right. I believe it's a civil right. I believe freedom of conscience is a natural right. And Jefferson says the same thing. Freedom of conscience means the right to think, to believe, etc. Etc. And there's that government should never, ever, under any circumstances, punish people for what they think. Okay, for what they think now, But does that mean that you should be able
to say anything anytime anywhere? Those are two very different things. For me to have the right to believe in a creator, in God in Catholicism, in Judaism, even God forbid in in Islam. You know the government shouldn't get involved in that. Now I can, as we both know. The right to exercise our freedom of religion is not I think a natural right. I think it's a civil right protected by a good and decent society. Do
you see the difference there. Government can't change the way I think. It can't force me to think a different way, but it should not punish me if it thinks I don't think the way it wants me to. That's why it's a natural right. You don't give it up when you enter into civil society. But you can give up freedom of speech. You can give up even the free exercise of religion if you want to. If you're religion, if you're an Aztec and you believe that you should you sacrifice virgins to the
son God? Then fine, believe it all you want, but you don't get to exercise it in this society. Go ahead, I'll answer your hypothetical question. John. To restate it is, could you have a legitimate republican regime that did not recognize or curtailed free speech? Is that a good okay? My answer John is yes, if men were angels. Recurred to that famous phrase from Federals fifty one. Right now, I do think I want
to answer hypothetical with actually not really a hypothetical. The parallel case in history in some ways is Lincoln suspending the rid of habeas corpus. By the way, why does the Constitution provide for the suspension of the rid of habeas corpus and for putting down insurrection and rebellion in the text of because self preservation is the first object in modern natural rights theory, Right, Steve that the reason that you used suspend the rid of habeas corpus is to suppress speech, right,
right? But then remember what Lincoln said about that. Of course, there's the leave aside the question of who gets to suspend habeas corpus, Congress or the president there was that constitutional ambiguity of the matter. But the broader question is this, Remember Lincoln's argument about it was must all the laws fail
to preserve this one? My hypothetical is if you thought for real that that say, let's put it directly, if you really thought that Nazis were going to win in the court of public opinion in America, wouldn't self preservation and republic government say we absolutely justified in stopping them from using their speece to do that. That's a fanciful hypothetical, but so is yours. Actually, So Okay, well, let's move on. That's not just we're gonna hear.
We're gonna hear about it from our listeners and readers said, good, good. Let's turn to some of the news that we haven't had a chance to talk about yet. One is great, a big victory for Donald Trump in these lawsuits trying to drive him from the ballot based on the Fourteenth Amendment, Section three, which we've talked about a little bit on the podcast in the
past, but in an unusual way. So we had talked about earlier the Minnesota case where a judge there found that Donald Trump could not be disqualified from the primary ballot, but did not decide on a general election ballot. This
Colorado case was different. I think reached the right conclusion, but in giving a giving Trump a victory, also took away the victory was that this state trial judge in Colorado found that the Fourteenth Amendments disqualification clause, and this is the clause that says certain people who are connected to former officeholders who are connected to an insurrection are not eligible to run for office. This clause, according
to the judge I think properly found that doesn't apply to the president. It lists a variety of officers like members of the legislature, judges, officers of the United States, but the Constitution uses the phrase president and officers of the United States separately. One more important reason is because officers in the United States
are appointed. Presidents are elected. However, and this is I think the interesting part is the judge found that were not for the Fourteenth Amendments failure to include the president, Donald Trump would have been disqualified because she also found that he did commit incitement to insurrection in a way that was not protected by the subject. We're just talking about the free speech clause. There's a case called Brandenburg, which says, right that you can punish speech which incites violence.
And this judge found that Donald Trump did in fact speak in a manner that incited the attacks on the capitol in January because she held a trial with evidence. Ah, well, oh yeah she did. She doesn't get defined things like that. John, I mean, I'm not happeing on you. I'm just saying, let's be honest here. There was a trial that didn't even accuse him of that and which for which he was acquitted, meaning impeachment.
You mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean my reading this, John, is first, the judges seem to be trying to have it both ways. In Minnesota, keep their options open, maybe we'll get a more inventive argument to keep him off the general election ballot in November. And then in Colorado I have the correct reading. I think you're right, it done include the president. However, you know, dicta gets a bad rap right in uh, you know, because there's so many Supreme Court cases.
Will hear that somebody, well what they wrote that one justice roll, that's just dicta. That's just what they're saying and thinking. But this is really a case of dick to run him up saying, well, you know, the fourteen Amendment doesn't apply, but really he's guilty of something, and implicitly it's it implies it says that the Democrats are incompetent in their impeachment of Trump three years ago after January sixth, although that wouldn't work either, but
still it's an interesting spect. I think this is not over as partly what I'm saying. Yeah, well, one thing is this only applies in Colorado. There's still i think, law suits going in every state to try to keep Trump off the ballot. Yes, you only need on them, and that will force it, and that will force it up to the federal courts,
to the appeals Court and autimately the Supreme Court, I suppose. Until well, first there has to be one judge that finds that takes the next step this Colorado judge didn't take, which is actually ban Trump from a ballot, right, and that hasn't happened. Actually, all the courts so far, I think there's now three of them. Michigan also, Michigan, Minnesota, and Colorado have all refused this effort to keep trying. In Minnesota,
Yeah, Minnesota, sorry, Michigan, Minnesota and Colorado. But Lucretia, I we interrupted you. What were you about to say about the dream? And I interrupted you. I just wanted to say, I find this this nonsense about somehow anything, anything whatsoever that Trump had to do with January sixth, with questioning election results, with etcetera, is nothing. But lawfare is not a it's not adequate. It's it's the worst kind of political persecution of
your political enemies that we've ever seen. I mean, it's not rival that I can think of by anything in our history, not even some of the nasty stuff that went on in the very early founding years. This is just and that anybody who claims to have any kind of the loyalty to the law, to the rule of law, would it entertain such a ridiculously stupid conversation even, I mean, that should have been just dismissed outright. I suppose you want to get your name out there and so on. We now know.
John. By the way, I hope you've been watching the release of the January sixth tapes. The whole thing is a scam. There was no insurrection, there was no riot. Anything that was done was at the invitation of either the Capitol police or the FBI infiltrating. I mean, it is absolutely clear that they cherry picked bs segments of those Capital Tapes videos to make their case. And now that we're seeing the whole thing is it is bone
chilling. How much of a scam that's not even the right word. How much of a incredible undercover political operation this has been from the top down. And I have nothing else to say about it. That's the fact that one single person is still in jail for January sixth, the fact that they have
not each been paid millions of dollars in damages for wrongful prosecution. I could go on and on and on. It is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of this country what has been done in response to the insurrection on January sixth. And I don't know that we'll ever recover from it.
So there, well, I'll pass over that John and simply say that what's that money python, Let's paraphrase money pie, Let's not worry about who interrupted whom and repair to Winston Churchill's line to his son Randolph, once stop interrupting me when I'm interrupting you. I would wanting to use that lucretia forever
my moderator role prevents me from getting into an argument about lucretia. About this, we'll postpone that, but at least to do the research John outside of the Washington Post and the New York Times research what we want to What I'd like to see is a commission or somebody. Doesn't have to be an Actually I have the commission. No, no, wait a minute, let me
finish. It doesn't even have to be an official government commission. It could be a private, entirely private effort of imminent people, or it qualify people. Whatever the point is is to take all the footage, analyze it thoroughly, put together a thorough timeline what happened where? Because it's the huge perimeter of the Capitol, right how many? I mean, I'm still convinced because I know people who were there on January sixth who never went even close to
the building. They were out on the lawn along with you know, tens of thousands of other protesters. And you know, what was the proportion of people who did break glass and do things like that, And that I think is still entirely undetermined. But I think that both this and the ballot access question are entirely irrelevant because as we know, Nicky Hay is going to be
the nominee and not Donald Trump. You stole my segue. You absolutely stole my segue, which makes this an opportune moment to hear from a message from our sponsors, which I'm sure include Chevron, McDonald's and Boeing. I can only hope, because my hope someday is to shoot down in dangered species with Patriot missiles and to eat them at McDonald's. And now we're back, and we will pick up this January sixth the videos next week. I'm eager to
do it, but we've got so many other things to talk about. As Steve just previewed, I was going to ask Lucretia to give us her thoughts about the Rise of Haley. That could be a great book someday, the
Rise of Haley. So the latest pulling. Now, of course, Donald Trump still has an enormous noble digit lead, double digit lead, but Nikki Haley is now tied with Ron DeSantis in Iowa for the number two slot, and in New Hampshire she now stands alone in second place in the primary, is in the second place she's not tied with DeSantis in Iowa, she's still three points behind. Sorry, and she's three points behind and nationally and you
know this, this is sort of the horse race on steroids. I guess you could say where the media is desperately, desperately, especially the center slightly center right media, are doing everything they can to make it look like in any universe she could be a viable candidate. But anyway, if you look at her standing against say, I don't know, Williamson, Phillips, even RFK Junior against Biden, why is nobody talking about how well RFK Junior is
doing against Biden. He's doing way better than Nicki Haley. So, I mean, this is just more crap. She's not going to win the nomination, and anybody stupid enough to support or deserves what they get, which is more of that crappy rhino stuff I'm so tired of. But okay, sorry, I'm done now. Steve is more of a political tactician than you. But here's another set of polls that shows in a general head to head against Biden. Yeah, right now, Haley beats Biden by ten points, fifty
five to forty five. Trump beats Biden right now by only four points fifty two to forty eight, and DeSantis beats Biden by only two points fifty one to forty nine. So if Republicans want to win, if Conservatives want to win and get this terrible progressive regime out of office, isn't the smart money to support Haley. Yeah, here, I'm going to disappoint Lucretia by partly
agreeing with her. I don't think those polls are worth the paper they're printed on, the recycled paper they're printed on, and I can go through live. That's kind of boring they reflect. I think what they really reflect is
the unpopularity of Biden. I mean, you realize that Trump is polling higher than he has ever pulled since he got into presidential politics in twenty fifteen, which ought to be shocking everybody in the media, in the Democratic Party, And actually I think it is. Haley is the kind of the fresh new thing. I've said this before, I'll say it again, or the Republican primary electorate always goes for a time at least the shiny new opbject. And
look, I actually think she's all right. I'm not convinced that she would do well, there we go. Stop interrupting me. By interrupting you, I told you I'd only partially agree with you. But I'm not convinced she would hold up as a really strong general election candidate. I think DeSantis's relatively lower number sort of Trump like edge, is a function of the media in a nept campaign. Stipulate that. But second, he has been the subject
of media attacks even greater than Trump has. I think proportionally right, he's the devil, He's worse than Trump. That's the theme the left is already laying out when I thought he was gonna maybe win. And by the way, if Haley did emerge as the nominee or likely nominee, just wait, you will see a massive attempt by the media to scrounge through every aspect of her personal life, every little tiny decision she made as governor of South Carolina
and smear her in the same way they did to Mitt Romney. Oh my god, Mitt Romney messed up some kid his hair in prep school? Is does the dog on the roof of the what that put his dog on a cage on the roof of the car, which actually I kind of agree does disqualifying, But it's a lot that disqualifies him. But notice they didn't do it before he got the Of course, that's my point right now, right now. Yeah, I think Haley has a lot of weaknesses as a candidate.
I think she's been a surprise, but I think it is the surprise in the same way that Ben Carson and what's his name, the pizza guy from two thousand and eight, Herman Kane nurse. This is worse because it's she's more an accomplished person. I mean, she actually has been governor of a state and ambassador of the UN, unlike Herman Kane or Ben Carson have never held that. Wait, you guys have called for defunding it while she was ambassador for the UN. And I'm just about to ask, what is
your problem with Haley. I don't have a problem with her. I just think she's not as strong as people think. I think she's perfectly fine myself, but I also think that she would not fine. But she's not. She's maybe she's good on abortion, but beyond that, she's just horrible. Oh. I think she's good on the budget. She's only one I think who's pointing out that we're spending ourselves into it. She's like the last Republican around is saying, you know, we really do want to do something about
our runaway entitlements. But no one else said, Christia, what is the source of your beef with hers? Why do you dislike herself? And I actually I will never vote for anybody who's a neo Khan again. Never. I am so tired of our entire political system being completely disrupted. What's the right word. It's despicable now because of the incredible influence of defense contractors,
the sick, ugly corrupt relationship. I mean, it's when Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, he was a little bit worried about, well, we've got these defense contractors who still need to rely on government money. It is so corrupt now, it is so sick. It is such a a deep cancer in our society. We no longer make foreign policy decisions based upon national security. They're entirely based upon what Raytheon wants, what Boeing wants.
And she is the poster child for that entire ugly corrupt situation. I didn't I did not really disagree with you, Lucretia. I'm gonna say I did not expect to hear the hidden hand voice of Noam Chomsky showing up on the and the colcos. I know this is the this is the criticism that some made of World War One and World War two and the VK. But so what why Marxists. I don't play that game that Steve wants to play. Oh, they said that world War two, so you must be wrong because
we were right about world War Two. No, there is no reason for us to be in Ukraine, zero lesson, zero lessons, reason for us to be funneling billions of dollars to those corrupt Nazis in Ukraine with whom we have nothing in common. Wait, let them settle, let them figure it
out. Let Zelenski and Putin figure out what they're going to do. We should stay out of it because all I actually saw a headline the other day or for an article which was our ramping up for Ukraines to provide yet weapons, et cetera for Ukraine has taught us valuable lessons about not funding our defense contractors sufficiently. That's honest, guy. We got to call a cease fire, which is actually preview of our next one. And Steve's got to host
next week. Because we've got me and Lucretia have to engage on this issue. But it actually raises the next topic. And I want to see if Lucretia is going to be consistent here because the next top next topic we have on our list is, of course the deal for ceasefire in the Gazzo war. Where and it's going on right now as we're recording our show. Israel has agreed to a pause it's called in military operations in exchange for the release of hostages. I was going to ask you, guys, is this a
good idea for Israel? Is Is this actually not a tactical mistake because now the pressure will be on to keep the ceasefire in effect. You ready hear the progressive left demanding that the ceasefire become permanent. What lucrecious criticism of the Ukraine War should also bring to mind the fact that the United States is heavily
supporting Israel in its own war. Well, one of the worries that Israel greater than it has been that You've had a chart out there just the other day showing that that we're that our level of support for Israel has actually gone down or remained constant just saying, though, that our foreign policy is driven by defense contractors. What's our interest in providing so much money and military aid? Yeah, that's parts of the world. What about it Israel different?
Now, I'm just saying it's Israel different than Ukraine. Yes, in the sense there is a moral position that needs to be taken, moral clarity about the situation in Israel that is not there in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. There are no good guys in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Israel is the good guy, full stop, emphatic period. I saw this great movie over the weekend. I will tell you about it, and for me to say a great movie, you know, that's amazing. But there is
no good guy in Ukraine and Russia. Now, do I think we should be sending hundreds of millions of billions of dollars over to Israel. No, I don't think so. But I do think we should have moral clarity about it. I think we should absolutely be saying no, no, release hostages.
Release one hundred and forty nine of the one hundred and how many are there one hundred and fifty two hundred and forty is two hundred and fifty Yeah, I couldn't Rememberred release two hundred and forty nine of them and then we'll have a ceasefire and you give us the last one. But we broker that deal, John, We know it's going to be a disaster. We are
responsible for our idiot idiots in the State Department and the Biden administration. All they want is a ceasefire because they want to cuddle up to the stupid left. The left is now the military and the defense contractors. That's the worst part. It used to be back in the day that you know, we could consider the defense contractors the military sort of a at least center institution. Now they're all just as bad. They're all they're all rascheeted to leave.
So first of all, I agree with Lucretia that they are not comparable circumstances. I mean, yeah, the Restate of Israel is a civilizational classes that were implicated in against the enemies of the West, including our domestic enemies of the West. Ukraine is a Ukraine Russia. That's two nationalistic nations fighting each other over territory. And I'm not as averse to Ukraine as Lucretia is.
But that's a different But then also the second point, which is a lot of our military aid to Israel is actually R and DAD for things like anti missile technology. We're getting a lot out of that because it's actually keeping alive actually Reagan's old Strategic Defense initiative, which we even neglected, but for the Israeli need to actually have it right now against thousands of rockets being sent at
them. Is advancing that technology. So it's very much in our national interest to be part of that research and development and production process because it could benefit us someday directly if say, the North Koreans and Iranian start shooting missiles at US or a Chinese. Okay, it's hard to know exactly what's going on. I think it's true that we're probably behind the scenes doing very bad things. But a couple of things to matter me. They said that we broke
it to deal, Steve. I'm not making that up. I'm not sure I understand, but please, deal would not have occurred if the United States didn't correct. No, and it's very very bad. A couple of things. One is, remember that after the nineteen seventy two PLO attack on the Israeli athletes in Munich. It took Israel ten or fifteen years, but they killed every single the Israeli Massad killed every single Arab terrorist involved in that whole
plot. And a few days before this deal became public and was agreed to, Netanyahu made a statement that didn't get a lot of press coverage. He said, We're going to go after all Hamas leaders, including the ones in Cutter, so they know those guys were living in luxury hotels and all the rest of that. He threatened to Taylor Swift, what's that riacher than Taylor Swift and correct? Correct, But here's the thing. Israel's done this before. I mean it's eight or ten years ago. Now I forget, but
they bumped off a couple of Hamas people. I think it was Hamas, maybe it was Hesbola in Buy. I think it was right. They have the you know, they were addressed as tennis players or something. Anyway, the point is Israel, when it put some mind to it, can do that. So I'm wondering, quite separate or parallel to whatever we may have been doing, whether those threats actually said to Hamas well. Maybe it's in
our interest to let some hostages go. I don't know. But the other thing that was reported, you know, the Israeli war cabinet for this whole business is apparently, I think thirty eight people, which is a lot. I think Churchill's war cabinet in World War Two was six people, and that's
because of the crazy multi party system they have in Israel. But supposedly the vote in favor of the deal after a long debate was thirty five to three something along last line, So you know, there weren't that many voices voting against it. And I think it's a bad deal. I think it's going to work out badly. On the other hand, you know, the people like you, well, hold on, man, let me finish please.
On the other hand, what if they had said no to the deal and it turns out here in three weeks, three months, whatever it is, that the hostages were then killed and you passed up a deal to get some of them out. It's a no win situation for the Israeli government. And I'm reminded of the line that John Lucatch used about to respond to critics like Pap Buchanan who said, how could Churchill have aligned himself with Stalin? And
Lucatch has answered a great Hungarian born historian. By the way, he said, Churchill made a simple calculation that saving half of Europe was better than losing all of Europe. And I think that's the calculation here. It sucks. It totally sucks. It may go very badly. The fact that no Americans came out. By the way, now we're going to really see how craven.
Lucasia will say, there is no bottom to how craven the Biden administration is, but we're going to see how craven is the pressure for them to continue to cease fire, the promise that we're going to get Americans out eventually, and whether the Israelis will say no, we have to presume the fight. Stephen, anything you just said, but what I did I think needs
to be said. You act like this happened in a vacuum. What if what if there was a kind of support for Israel that there was, especially at the beginning for Ukraine, where you know, absolutely everything could be done for Ukraine and Russia was you know, the devil personified and Ukraine could do no wrong. That's not the case for Israel. They're constantly just trying to walk this ridiculously stupid line to keep assholes sorry, people like them sorry.
You can believe that Blincoln and others who really don't want to support Israel because the Left doesn't want them to Israel has to walk the line so that they don't lose that public sentiment. John talked about earlier. That's why the ceasefire, why thirty three of them voted for it. They didn't think it was ever going to be a good thing. But you're right, not good choices, But understand why there's not good choices, which goes back to my original
thing to John. The more clarity we should be having as America as the Biden administrator. I know that's stupid to say, but if our support for everything what you said about Israel being right now the representative of the last vestiges of Western civilization that we in America need to support, that support should be so unwavering that a ceasefire would have never been necessary. That's what I'm trying
to say. So let me tell that makes sense. Wrap this up with two thoughts, and then we'll turn to our last topic, which is the elections throughout the world which show conservatism making headway. But first, Steve's story brought to mind a story about Teddy Roosevelt and hostages, because the problem, in part is, once you show that you are willing to trade US Israel had a thousand Palestinian prisoners for one Israeli soldier, you're just creating the incentive
to take more hostages. That's what the conservatives love to talk about, unintended consequences and the creation of incentives for the future. And Teddy Roosevelt was faced with the kidnapping of an American hostage in North Africa. I think the name of the terrors, they call him terrorists the brigand back then who took the hostage was a fell named Razuli, and I think the American was named Picardis
particularly anyway. And so when they were when Roosevelt was asked what the American policy was, he said, he only sent the four words, I believe cardiffs alive, are Razuli dead? That was the American position on hostages for a long time. Once you devate that tactically, you've given Hamas an enormous
advantage. Here. Yeah, to add a footnote to that, a more modern one, John is you remember well, was the agony over a handful of hostages in Lebanon that nearly wrecked to the Reagan administration the second term right that, and they did release two or three and then all probably took two or three new ones. That's what happened, you know, within forty eight hours. Because what had been signaled by the American regime and the of course of the Israelis were mixed up in that in an odd way, was that
we priced the very high value on hostages. And in that case, by the way, no one remembers this except me from all the research I did. Very early, like nineteen eighty two, eighty three, Hesiblah just beginning to come together, they did take a Soviet diplomat or Soviet citizen hostage in
Lebanon. And what happened, well, the Soviet KGB or whoever their overseas operatives were, they went out, grabbed some senior hesbel leader, killed him, mutilated him in ways I won't describe on this family rated show, and then sent his body back to Hesbela. The Soviet diplomat was promptly released and
no more Soviet hostages were ever taken. Okay, nobody remembers now thirty some years later, how we finally got our hostages out that Reagan didn't get out, and we don't remember because the Bush administration, and one of the cleverer things they did and otherwise Unclever administration was ignore them. They they just went dark about the whole thing and pretty soon has realized they weren't going to get anything for them, and they were quietly released. It took a couple more
years into the Bush, the first Bush administration to do that. But that is a better I mean, I like the Roosevelt approach is the best. But the other one is to say, and Israel, as you pointed out, with that deal ten eleven years ago, with a thousand prisoners for one Israeli soldier who's been held for several years, and currently this means that we're going to be having Israelis taken hostage for as long as you can imagine.
And I'll just end by saying, I my mind runs back to hearing that and Yahoo in person in Washington back in I think twenty fifteen, and he says quite often in the Middle East, the choices are not between good and bad, but between bad and worse. Yes, and here's the one we have right now. So let me finish this segment by teasing Lucretia and setting us up for next week claim that Lucretia has circled all the way around radicalism to end up where the neocons are and the only man eyes. Yeah,
her eyes just expanded by fifty percent in size. And being one of the original neo kon the o G neocons, I would say the reason why is because traditional conservatives realists would say we shouldn't take account of the nature of foreign regimes when we decide to help them or not. This is the classic quote from Kissinger, who is quoting Tallyrand, where they said, you know,
nations have no friends, they just have interests. And so this was an actually important thing in the ragging years to say we may ally with authoritarianism authoritarian regimes because that's better to help them fight communists. This actually was something neo cons took into with neo cons actually very much believe, as I think I detected Lucretia and your comment Steve, that we should help democracies, we should help nations whose values we agree with. We shouldn't treat all the countries as
just billiard balls anyway. So I just want to throw that out there so that we can argue about it next week and close this out. We're going to close out the show actually because we're actually running on time, which only happens when I'm the host, by the way, you know, argreat that's no, no, that's actually the last issue we're going to talk about to and we'll finish out with the elections in Europe and Argentina. In Europe,
John, that's what's wrong with you, Neo constryophy. You spoke over me, I said, and Latin America Europe you said Europe earlier, so it's going to say it then. So we remember when we call it Latin America, that implies that it's European in character. Right, That's true. That's the great that's the greatest thing colonialism has ever done. Make Latin America. And what you're make everybody speak Spanish, a language from an obscure, middling
European country. So the two events I'm sure everybody knows about. First, in the Netherlands, Geared Wilders of the Freedom Party won the most seats in the parliamentary elections and is in the lead to form a coalition government in which he will be the Prime minister. People who haven't followed Dutch politics as closely
as Steve has. Steve has a strange love of all things Dutch. Will note that Wilders aimed a prominence by demanding an end to immigration, banning the Quran and prohibiting the construction of any new mosques, but demanding a return to basically making Holland great again. He was Trump before Trump. This guy. Then we have in Argentina the election of a libertarian. I don't even know if he's actually an economist. He's been mostly a He is an economist,
but has come to prominence mostly through radio and TV appearances. But is a radical free market devote named Javier Milay who want to smashing smashing twelve point victory over the economics minister from the paroonist incumbent party. So both places conservativism on the rise. Is this reflect Let's start with Lucretia. Is this reflect Strangely outside of America, actually conservative parties are doing well? And why is that?
Or are these just blips? It might be because the less propaganda machine down in Argentina and Holland is not quite as quite as powerful. I also think that as much as we all for good reasons, despise parliamentary systems. There is an opportunity in a parliamentary system to have something other than watered down, mediocre messages with very little difference between them, you know. And I know that that's a little bit unfair to say about our current political situation,
but I'm getting off on a tangent. Sorry, I'll go back to it. I I do think that it can start a sort of change in public sentiment. I mean, the guy in Holland, in the Netherlands, for I mean, he was so so vilified for so long. I mean,
he was considered you know, yeah, he's beyond the pale. He was considered a cross between Papuchanan and David Duke put it in an American tri and a good way to put it. And so the idea that he has risen, uh within within Dutch politics to a place where he could actually, you know, be considered even a viable candidate, much less a winning candidate, to me is a a sign that that most Europeans are done with this forcible
integration immigration and integration non integration of Muslim immigrants from Muslim society is being forced into their society and ruining their culture. There are many other things to it too as well, the economic concerns, the crime concerns, and so on. I think that that's all a very good sign, whether that ever makes
it here. I just saw it really quickly. Sorry off topic again, but that Mayorca, I think was it the Herigg Institute, Steve that came out with a stolen document where Marijorca says that he has to that the agents need not need need to make sure that they call immigrants right. They can confirm what their desired pronouns are. And I forget who the represents, and it was who tweeted about it saying I think that their pronouns should that the
only pronouns that the border patrol should be using r D and PORT. I had to flow that out there, but I do want to and I'll shut up to Steve, who actually has some knowledge about these things. I don't can speak, but I do want to say to quote from the Argentinian guy from his very first speech, he said, I did not come here to guide lambs, I came here to awaken lions. And what I think the reason I mentioned that John is to call him just a libertarian I think is
a bit unfair. I don't have the highest opinion of libertarians because they they're they're I agree with a lot of things, but they concentrate on the wrong stuff. This guy seems to get it. He's he understands the corruption of the people of the elites. He understands how they've dominated things and how their their only goal in life is just to keep the sheep down. So he he says, the sheep are not sheep after all. They want to be lions, and I came here to awaken them, and I like that.
So I'm going to I'm going to annoy Lucretia by saying that the majorcas memo saying use their proper pronouns was the best bit of mischief our team has managed to insinuate yet, because I think an awful lot of people coming up from a Latin America being asked what pronouns they want used and presented a list of forty seven options, We'll turn around and go back home, and realizing in
America is insane. You knows that what people Sorry, Steve, I just have to ask you quick and all that all of the people that among the trans people that the Pope invited to lunch. Wait wait, wait, wait, what I missed this? Oh wait did you move? Did you already move forward to the babylon beheadline? No, this is this is absolutely true.
I got a great value. My god. Oh yeah. So so, way back during COVID, the Pope call it adopted, became very close this group of transsexual men who claim now to be women, invited them to the to the Vatican for this this big lunch where it's sort of the whole banquet. Nobody else would come so I and bring all the poor, but these transsexuals were invited that he's been their patron, I guess you could say since the middle of COVID. But he also said transsexuals can be baptized,
they can be godparents. All this came out last week. I guess you guys don't pay attention because you're not Catholic. But they're all from from from South and Latin America. Another great We're going to have to bracket that one for next week too. But another thing about the greatness of the new Argentinian presidency. Doesn't like Pope Francis called him a grubby Marxist or something like that. Right, yeah, I love it so Steve, your thoughts on the
other Yeah, well, I mean a couple of things. Yeah, I mean we made the general point. Some thing that I just discovered today is that Marine Le penn in France is leading in the opinion polls right now over Macron. That's never happened before. She's been steadily gaining for the last ten
years and gotten closer to each election cycle, but it's now ahead. And the next door in Germany, the Alternative for Germany Party, that's one of those upstart parties who if you read the media, they are a bunch of crypto Nazis. They do have a few bad actors. I trust our pal Mario Fantini over in Vienna has got his finger on the pulse of that whole thing and says they got a few problems. But what the Western media says is wrong. Okay. The point is you can see this happening everywhere,
and finally this news. Just in the last forty eight hours, you had an immigrant in Ireland stab five people, including three children. One child is still in critical condition in the hospital, and there have been riots which the media in Ireland and the politicians describe as the far right wing starting these riots. To burning buses, overturning police cars. I think those are the same kind whom Steve sorry, I'm not familiar with. I you know, Irish
citizens who are mad about high ebrate. Ireland has had an unbelievable amount of foreign immigration in the last three four years. Half of it more than half of it Ukrainian refugees. Interestingly, but their their population of foreign born people is approaching twenty percent. I mean, that's an astonishing number. That would be something like, you know, thirty million hears whatever the math in Principia.
Yeah, and so I don't know, you know, without being there and actually you know, being on the street and seeing who it is. My guess is this is the same kind of people who maybe are the soccer hooligans who riot, but who are those people in England and Ireland and got their working class people, the people who take the brunt of the problems of immigration, raising housing prices, putting Apparently in Ireland, if you're you know, a refugee, you get two hundred dollars a month per person from the
Irish government as your payout. And so anyway, this is that would be one way to solve the homelessness crisis out here is to let people know that yes, well, oh you know, I meant that I was going to stick this in at the beginning, so to come back when we started. I do remember briefly in the seventies when the American Indian Movement was the flavor of the month and I never really took off. But one of the things they demanded, as I recall, was they wanted Alcatraz Island back because that
had originally been an Indian sacred side or some darn thing. And I'm thinking, now, well, ay, we should either do that or be we should make Alcatraz the place where we moved the homeless in the Bay Area because there's you know, there's all those facilities there, So why not. Like I just I would like to vote and favor of one of our episodes in the coming weeks. During Christmas time, maybe there'll be a slow moment.
I wouldn't mind having a discussion of what we should do with immigration, Like what would be a sensible immigration policy that the three of us might, if possible, be able to agree on. Can I just say I saw a meme this morning, probably in ste'se Week in Pictures John that said if if immigrants are our strength, why aren't they their strength in the country that they came from? Right? Yes, well you asked sensible questions like that. Okay, John, Let's bring it this episode to an end, and thanks
everybody for sharing part of your Thanksgiving holiday weekend with us. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. Let's close out. I don't have a kamalism. Unfortunately, I have a true Kamala statement, which is even as the FBI director was testifying before Congress that anti Semitic events are reaching historic levels, even though, as we all know, Jews make up let's see, two point four percent of the population, but are the target of more
than sixty percent of all hate crimes reported. What did Kamala Harris do? She rolled out and anti Islam, anti Muslim initiative and her she said her plan this is just a few week you just in the last two weeks. She said, her plan will aim to protect Muslims and those proceed to be Muslim from hate, bigotry, and violence, and to address the concern that some government policies may discriminate against Muslims because as a result of the Hamas terrorist
attacks in Israel and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We have seen an uptick in anti Palestinian, anti Arab, anti Semitic, and Islamophobic incidents across America. I wish I could make that up. Yeah, there was a She tweeted out a picture of her and Joe Biden's boyfriend in front of their gas stove, saying Happy Thanksgiving. Right, yes, yes, they are going to steal from the rest of us. Practical Yes, sorry, That's all I've got on kemma, but apprecia. How about the latest Babylon b headlines?
The latest so Steve wanted to make sure. Of course, I was going to say this one in incredible Black Friday sale Lockheed Martin offering two wars for the price of one. Hey, that's a good deal, sign me up. In response to it was a Babylon Bee but based on a true story. Man pretending to be women excuse me, men pretending to be women go to lunch with men pretending to be Catholic And it's a picture of the po and the bus full of transsexuals, transgenders, whatever they are. Yeah,
to admit, that's pretty good. So for those of you who do have a teenage son, or had a teenage son. So what's for dinner as teen boy immediately after eating fifty thousand calorie Thanksgiving meal at three pm? That's probably you, John? Do you like? Biden administration says cost of Thanksgiving dinner is down as long as you don't buy anything. Well, that's
the one I saw. I don't think it was Babylon being the one that said, Look, you know, under Trump your car could hold thirty five dollars worth of gasoline, but now your car can hold ninety dollars worth of gasoline. See how things are better. That's about how economically literate these people are. Okay, So let's close out in the traditional way. Always drink your whiskey meat. Let's go Brandon and Steve, God save the queen man. Am I very too high behind the glass from mine and stair? Am
I very too wandering the fear of an e? Am I very load? To try to close my ears to the sound D play soundload? Am I very The happiness machine is trying hard to sing my side. Ricochet join the conversation.