¶ Acting, TV, and Breaking Big Stan
And welcome back 3.5 . Hey well , i haven't seen you in a week or so . What's up , brother ? Oh man .
All is good man . I've been eating fried chicken Waffles It was delicious .
Fuck it out . Oh yeah , he actually . I got him so mad one time at the firehouse . He chased me through the firehouse and his name was big Stan and he was I . You may not believe this about me , But I've got an act to aggravate the shit out of people and you put me at a house for 24 hours . Are you good dude , he .
I even wrote in the log book a legal , fairly legal document . In our log books I wrote at 7 , 10 , fracked big Stan , like a nut . He started the day with man , you could get me , you could get me , he's a big dude . He was a correctional guard , all that before . And he said , man , you can't aggravate me to the point , i'm gonna lose my cool .
And it was my birthday to it was my , it was actually my birthday because I had to make a Cake . That there was a tradition . I don't want to embarrass by telling the tradition that we had to do for a cake , needless to say , okay . So I worked on him all day long , egging him on , fucking with him , fucking with him , fucking with him .
It got to the point where it's time to cut my cake . At night was after dinner And I said I don't know what I said and you just see the light twist . He's like Fucking , that's it . And he started chasing me and he grabbed my cake and I ran out the door in the back of the firehouse He threw my cake in a pan .
No , the pan and the cake stayed perfect and hit under a car , didn't fall out , didn't tear . Nothing is edible We ate . Fuck at it . And he chased me , and chased me and finally they calm us all down . I was just laughing , us peeing in my pants . I was laughing .
This is this feels like the begin the first episode in the pilot of sitcom . It's called breaking big Stan . Breaking big Stan . I love it and of course I play . I play you . I'm not playing big Stan , i might be your grandfather . I play , i play you and we get . We get , like you know .
Yeah right , i didn't stand in on this . a big , a big , come on now . but yeah , i was pretty proud of breaking a guy like that . It looks like on now It's pretty good , even sure , pretty fucking immature . Yeah , I bet you could look back on a lot of stuff and think that and if , well , in the bad part is , i'm gonna have to look back very far .
It's like just last week . Last week I focus my wife to . She's like walk out the room if there's a man , fuck yeah . But , um , all right , listen , shut up . We got a , we got a focus . Come on now Let's check this alike . No , back to me , back to the wheel . No , i appreciate you do this . I thoroughly , thoroughly love talking about this stuff .
I just love movies , tv , theater . So we have a talk to you about . It is so cool , oh my , my pleasure . Originally , yeah , i was all about the rescue me because I was focused on that . But the more I started looking into it and I was like , oh yeah , i've read it . That , oh yeah , you did that .
Oh yeah , the best one was the one I didn't know you did that . It's on my to do so , me and my wife , every weekend , usually when it's really nice . We got sad , but we'll watch , we'll binge watch . Every Friday and Saturday Do it like right now We're doing we're caught up to 10th lasso , but , okay , um , dope sit . Oh God , what got me dope sick ?
Didn't even know you're into now you not . Have you start ? have you started ? No , not yet . We got okay , we got way to . Lasso is done . I think there's like two , three more episodes , but I'm like dope sit , i want know you in dope sick . You're eight fucking episodes of dope sick and I want to go on it . But I don't want to spoil dope sick either .
Well , well , but here's it . So I mean I this is not , as this is not a spoiler that that show , oh God , that show , you know , is the real story of Purdue pharma and you know , over prescribing and making Bad opioids that kill people .
Yeah , tell him it's not addicted the whole time .
Yeah , i mean , and so I played an actual dude , michael Michael Friedman . It's funny too . My friends who have seen the show Again , a bad guy , but not my typical bad , but not my typical bad guy It's funny My friends will say , oh man , i saw in dope sick , beautiful work , beautiful work .
and I'm like in my head I'm like I don't do anything on that show , meaning Like stranger things , obvious , bad , evil , bad right , i'm a little salty about your character on stranger things , so try to like . But I'm just saying that's an obvious . It's obvious . The function of this character It's to set up that Billy . Why Billy is the way he is ?
because his dad is a complete and and you have and there's no arc . There's one . I mean I was in other episodes , but there's one moment that tells you everything you need to know . So Me and the Duffer brothers we talked about this moment . It's , it encompasses everything .
He's the guy and I don't remember names of men , that of dads that we grew up with not my dad . But I'm just saying . There were men in my past that We're quiet . They told you to do this and then Could fuck you up in a moment and then Go back to there , do you ? know , that was this guy . I didn't want to make him just this yelling guy of time .
He's the quiet guy You're totally frightened of because he does hit you out of nowhere . Anyway , this guy on dope sick , you know he's like , he's like cold it's , and he eventually became the president of Purdue Pharma . But Sackler , who you know , is the main villain and in life and on television He , he has this guy . He tells this guy to .
You know , if the sky is red , okay , i'll make sure the sky's red . You know he's that guy . So he's , he's ruthless . I read emails from From him to others because he was running PR at the time and saying We don't need to let doctors know that oxy is More detrimental than than Morphe . We just won't , we just won't tell them .
Well , okay , so these are in the emails and him saying and I don't plan to do anything about that . So of course it was changed into dialogue for the show and it's me and Sackler just sitting there and I literally had to do nothing . It's basically the word . You can't believe .
The words are coming out of this mouth , of this guy's mouth , in this way And we we're not gonna let the doctors know that and I don't plan to do anything about that . And then the camera goes to Sackler and he nods and you know , okay , it's like , it's like and kind of like , and what do you want for dinner ?
I mean , it's that kind of ruthless that these men Did for years and got an entire population of people addicted to fucking pain killers . And but the show is beautiful . Michael Stohlberg , i just have to shout out who plays Sackler's brilliant , of course Michael Keaton . I had no , i know I'm bummed , i had no scenes with Keaton .
His work in the show is , i mean , he won everyone , i think , a Golden Globe and He's brilliant . And Danny Strong who wrote it ? You know one , the one the Peabody Ward , it's . It's a beautifully done . It jumps back and forth in time and it's a beautifully done and acted show . I'm very proud of it .
It's just weird for me to think I didn't really do anything like I never . I Never mean , do you know ?
I mean just though ? Well , it's . You know , the first character comes in my mind when you say that and I haven't seen . I'm going to watch it , but you're describing exactly no country for old men . Oh , the same minimalistic approach to yeah , i don't .
I don't have to show you how bad I am , i don't care if you think I'm bad , i'm just telling this is me .
You know , and when he went around the Sacklers , well , the Sacklers and and Richard Sackler and Stuhlbarg's character Was just odd is an odd fellow and would have these outbursts . So for me it was like I'm not and turn .
And , by the way , trying to find out anything about these fucking guys that worked at Purdue is almost near impossible , because I Mean if money can get them out of all the predicaments they've been in , it can certainly scrub the internet . To find out about my guy It was like fucking pulling teeth .
I didn't eventually , i just had to create him , because there's nothing about right , there's a view things about him online .
They're like people that like knew the guy , did you get top , he'd be like that , or well , a lot of credit .
I was gonna , i Had a lot of creative license and Danny did a lot of Research . Obviously the writer , but I was going to and I can't remember his name right now who wrote ? Who wrote , not painkiller . I wrote another book about it and I reached out to him because he had interviewed my character .
Yeah , and I reached out and he said First of all , when I interviewed him , he didn't give anything , so there's not much to tell you , and I'm working on a script with somebody else right now about it . So it's like a conflict of interest . Oh , but he said I'm not just telling you that there's not much to know . They were secretive as fuck .
So I decided to play the kind of opposite of what Stuhlbarg is doing and just try to be that guy that you . I'm your yes man . You tell me to do this . So the 60 milligrams not working , we have an 180 milligram and we're gonna call it double the pain because you need it .
You need this drug because you have double the pain , so we give you double the dose and they sold this . And they sold it , for lack of a better word . They sold it beautifully , meaning that it worked and people got fucking addicted and it's you know , but anyway you know .
Real quick now , you , you , you talk to the guy that had interviewed your character , but he was working on another project . Right , yeah , he missed it . He missed a perfect opportunity to lie to you and say , yeah , this guy , he always stuck Skittles in his nose every single time you talk to you , just any , and he wore fake glasses , nose and mustache .
It was really weird and he talked like this Tourette's Right , yeah , it's a fuck , fuck , fuck , fuck . So it was .
Trot try that on set and you're like , hmm , i got my in .
Thanks , skittles and Tourette's it's what the guy told me . Thank you will .
We won't be needing you anymore . We clean up the craft services table , please on your way out . Thanks , thanks , bye , so don't sick , let's see . We talked a little bit about stranger things . So you play Billy's dad . I'm salty on that because I didn't . Yeah , let me tell you character . He's kind of dick Billy .
Yeah , and I don't like Billy , but they kind of I did like Billy until I saw your character .
I'll think you were well , but he explains every it does , explains everything about him .
So I'm , here's the best . Another another I know him that didn't know , believed me at the time . So me , my , my girls that were living here , now couple moved out . That's what . We did . Watch stranger things together , right , so sure , you watch that first episode and then you start screaming at him .
I'm like I know that guy , guys , i know that guy and they're like whatever , whatever , i had to wait till the end credits . I said here's to you , here's to you , fuck away .
And Now they have a four episode podcast that they can listen to us talk about it . Yeah , that was I mean to be on that show at that time because that show was already that was on season two . I was on season two . That show was already a fun . I mean that show was the biggest show . So to get on that show was just cool , is .
I mean it was just like you're like Holy shit , i'm on , fucking strange like the and we you know , me and Ingrid binge watch that . I mean we love that show . Yeah , it's just to be on it again and I've been fortunate . That's the other thing . I've been fortunate to be on some cool high profile . I just show called sharp objects with on HBO .
Yes , again the the he's passed away the wonderful director , jean-marc Valley , like just to be on that at that time . To to get to do the deuce on HBO , to get to do dope sick , which I think is a great way to make you ruin the deuce .
I apologize , i did not even know that I .
Was on the deuce for like two episodes Yeah oh , I gotta watch that ? Did you watch the deuce ? No , but I'm dying to see the dude .
So we have a list of all our shit . Right , she has a list , i have a list .
The deuce is amazing , but there's one scene you probably don't want to watch because it's my ass .
So I'm watching that shit tonight .
I'm watching that shit tonight , and then that's what I wouldn't let Betty and Jerry J's Watch . Mike , you can't watch them to watch .
I've always wondered how actors do that when their parents are gonna be the audience or something like that , and they get naked .
That's a whole . other podcast We got is a whole idea .
I guess we could bring up hair . That's always fun to go watch hair .
You know what's coming in it's here , it is balls , it is balls .
There's a big bush and balls , but I could talk big bush and balls all day long . Um , so , okay , i have some other questions
¶ Theater vs. TV Acting Differences
. Oh , yeah , yeah . So Preparing for , say , a Broadway show , in a TV show or movie , okay Yeah , how are they different ? How they so different , how they so ?
alike . They're so different in that in theater you are , you are going into a rehearsal room for four to five weeks Every day , six days a week , to create this thing .
You don't you , you can know your lines , but I'm just saying you kind of are like You know your lines , but I'm just saying you get to where you're rehearsing and changing things Minutely , this and that , to the point of where you start running the piece and it's a machine , and by the time you get out of the Studio .
Now you go to the next part when you're in the theater , but it's tech rehearsals for two weeks and before you get in front of an audience , right , so it's , it's just a lot of repetition . Tv is the complete opposite .
Very rarely do you rehearse anything ever really The day of now , with a show like crowded room , for example , you know we had some character talks with the writer and the director because you're gonna be spending eight months doing these ten episodes .
So but on the day , like if tomorrow we're shooting Scene 27 and 28 and 29 from episode one , You go , they'll call you down there , you're in your street clothes and you'll do what's called a blocking rehearsal and they'll go .
Okay , just you know , let's read the words to each other and you're holding your script and and They're thinking , oh , you know , i might get up here , i might , you know ? okay , the camera . So the director might say you know what , can you sit by the window because we're gonna light from ?
so if he goes into the Kitchen and it's that , you go get your makeup and stuff on and you come down and shoot , fucking good for three hours . Do you know what I mean ? So , and and I've learned to , like I said , i'm the most prepared person .
I do learn my lines , obviously for television , but I've learned to not I've learned to not Nail them Like I would for theater . In theater , you know you're going to be saying this exact thing at this exact time to get this exact reaction .
There is give and take once you get into performance , but when you're rehearsing it , doing it , everything feeds into the other thing , tv . You're shooting this scene now and that scene later , and what is it ? You know you , you fucking blow the line , or oh , the somebody knocked over a light .
I mean , there's so many things If that happens , do you go all Christian bail on them ?
No , and you know what it's funny ? it's funny to talk about that . I was talking about the Christian bail thing , for to someone recently It's like That's an isolated moment where he did that but and granted , we're not curing cancer And we're not doing , in the end of the day We're not doing anything . An important , obviously . An important to me .
I think art is important . That's not the point . When you're Not , this is not a woe , is me , poor actor , but when you're bearing your soul , that's what we kind of do No , the cameraman , doesn't the lighting person , doesn't the makeup artist , doesn't the actor .
At the end of the day And this is the thing I've certainly appreciate as an actor , but more I direct . You're asking this person and some people are great at some people aren't . Some people take more . You takes more urging . You're asking them to be open and vulnerable . I don't care if their character is open and vulnerable .
Even if their character isn't , you're asking them to do something . That is odd . You're not watching it . It's like you know , when you play an instrument , at least you're hearing the sound of the thing . You're going oh , that's right . When you're acting , you're not watching in a mirror , you're not necessarily watching it as you do it , it's the one you know .
Acting is the one thing you don't watch while you do , And so you're asking these people and this director and this other actor to trust what you're doing and giving . So you're laid bare . I mean , you really are You should be anyway laid bare and your soul and your emotions . So that's the heart . I love it .
I'm not saying I'm perfect at it , but I'm there 90% of the time . I love going to work , being there . I wear my heart on my sleeve . That's the way I am .
Some things are harder to get into , like an emotional crying scene or something , but that's what you're asking an actor to do , So it's a different thing when light comes down or somebody's in the way or somebody's in your eye line .
So Christian Bale wailing on the sky is kind of like dude , I'm bearing my soul And , by the way , how well I bear my soul affects you , because if this movie makes 20 million , you make more money . Okay Gaffer , or okay lighting guy , or okay sound guy , or okay people who are talking while I'm trying to fucking act you know what I ?
mean , my thing is always about noise , my thing , and I never yell at people , but sometimes I'll say the first AD , the first decision director , can we get it quieter ?
Just cause I'm hearing the director's trying to give me a direction and everybody's trying to do their work , but it's like , at the end of the day , when somebody yells action , i'm the guy that's on the camera doing the thing . So can everybody fucking chill out for a second ? You know what I mean ? Just for a second .
So when Christian did that , i was like it's probably isolated . I was actually in shaft with him for a hot second . He couldn't have been cooler . Granted , it's 300 years ago , but How ?
cool , is it ? just to say that phrase ? I got to work with Christian Bale on shaft .
Well , he couldn't have been cooler , and I hear he's very cool , but that moment is . We see , oh , actors , no , that's his job is in front of the camera . His job is making sure that he's servicing the writer , director character , and I love that he takes it that seriously . To where he can go . You do this fucking show .
Well , i can't remember what he does , but you walk in , you walk right in my fucking take or whatever it is , you know .
Well , what is it ? Shelley Duvall in the shining like doing that one scene over and over .
Well , kubrick was a fucking I mean the fucking maniac . There are some things that are like okay , we don't need to do this 73 times , you got it on 68 . Do you know what I mean ?
But yeah , supposedly she had like some big breakdown or something because of that scene .
Yeah , because Kubrick was . I mean , you know , it was horrible to fucking people on set . I mean , there's a line and then there's a . you know what I mean ? There's things you don't need to do , right , as a director or an actor . there's just things that you don't need to .
we don't need to go this route , and some old school directors were I'm gonna do anything I can to get this performance out of this actor . Yeah , that's a little old school weirdness for me , right . I don't believe in that way of working . I don't think it's necessarily conducive to the best work .
Well , you know , this person just goes and sees them . You know , i'm like that's like you can tell . Good , you can tell certain directors movies . If they never told you who they were , you could watch Wes Anderson , tarantino , kubrick , any of those guys .
Oliver Stone yeah .
I think I might've found his Italian to your what's something you did ? you ready for this one ? Okay , let me see if I got this right . Kubrick did Clockwork Orange , right ? Okay , was it ?
Malcolm Mc . Who was it ? Did Kubrick do the shining ? I think he did right .
No , yes , he did do the shiny , but who was the lead actor in Clockwork Orange ? Now it's a mouth . You know Malcolm McDowell . Okay , he was in one of my favorite movies growing up , time after time .
You I see what you're doing here It just hit me .
I was like , wait a minute , it all comes back around . So by three the first step that was the first .
That was the first serious , regular job that I ever had that I got offered the job , didn't have to audition . I got a call saying , hey , you want to be on the show . I'm like , fuck , yeah , you know It's you to New York and at the time , jay , i was doing Something rotten on Broadway . Yes , i was doing which I had outs in my contract to do TV .
I was doing something rotten on Broadway . I was shooting the deuce , a Gastro , and doing time after time . It was like the actor dream of like holy fuck , i'm doing like Broadway , four nights a week , i'm doing my television show . Oh , all of a sudden I'm Sammy , i'm doing my television shows as well . Like it was the actor . Like like the dream right ?
Oh , my god , i've made it .
Okay , this one .
I love acting . I love acting and I was getting to do theater and television to television shows at the same time . I was like this is the fucking best thing in the world I'm getting to play . I'm getting to literally bounce around playing a crazy out of his mind William Shakespeare in a comedy on Broadway .
I'm getting to play like a Fucking , you know , secretive guy on time after time and the deuce . I'm just playing a nice guy with his ass . But no , seriously , it was like that moment of like . Oh my god , i have . I am living the actors dream right now . Yeah , it was awesome and time of time was so fun , it was great .
I wish it had lasted obviously a little bit longer , but another binge worthy . You know , just quick you can watch all the episodes and again , fun and shit to do Shot here , anything that shoots here in New York . I'm like yeah you know , Well , shooting Nashville and Nashville was just the best .
I mean , i lived in Nashville when I was you know , but time I was a series regular on that , i had a place in Nashville . But that show was great because it's the cast was so big that my storyline Even if it was a heavy episode for me I still only shot like three days a week So I'd fly back to Brooklyn or just chillin national .
I met the Ingrid while I was down there . She was writing some music And then , yeah , my last season Nashville lived in a place there . I loved it . I mean , i fucking love it down there and that was close to my parents got to come to set . They love did forget about it . Betty Chase , i just take so long And it is .
I mean , if you've I don't know if you've ever been on those yet there's nothing glamorous at all about it . It takes forever to do anything . I've been on two sets and I loved it right .
I was . I was a pair of AT on Seabiscuit .
That was super cool .
It's just come out Like that day , and then I was at the scene in . Seabiscuit where , told me Ryan Chris Cooper , they're on a horse and far and he's gonna let go . He says it's effective . So I'm watching Spider-Man on DVD on my laptop . Gee , and also there was Why just walk in front of me .
Movies are worse . Movies are worse . Energy I think to that Christian bail point .
I mean , you're doing something over and over and over and if you add emotion and Emotionality to that , where you have to , time after time after time , get tears or find out someone you know , the hardest ones are always when you start a scene and someone comes in and gives you news of something . Hey that you have to play within the scene .
Now , granted , they're gonna cut the close-ups and things like that , but you're still shooting the whole scene and you have to find that each time It's a , it's a . That's a difficult thing to do , it's not , and and I'd be lying if I say I nail it every fucking time I I like to .
A lot of times , if you're starring on a show , the director depending on the setup and how the lighting works , so like hey , i'll ask you do you want to do your coverage first , meaning your angle ? You're , you know your angle . Yeah , i always say yeah , i want to . I've prepped for this . I'm ready to do emotion on take one .
I don't want to do someone else's . 27 takes . Then do my crying bit because I'm like I'm , i'm done , i'm , i've cried all the tears I can cry . And because you do , you get hit a wall where you're like I can't do this anymore , like it's , it's not something , that's just . You know , you can just do over and over .
Say that I like to shit , especially if it's a very emotional scene , but it's so fun , the challenge of it .
Man , those days are just to me when I , when I do something emotional , all of crowded room was heavy and stuff You feel like you feel like you've done something , you know some gigs . You're like , oh , what am I doing ? that that crowded room especially feels like , oh man , i feel like at the end of the day I'm tired , my brain hurts .
I feel like I did something . Oh , what are we shooting tomorrow ? You know , i again , i love it . I , i love it , i love acting . I love all everything You got a quality career brother , you really do .
I mean you realize the stuff he goes to . The one thing though , my life Long she does .
a lot of us are saying she loves it So and she likes it We both into movies , tv and we talk about we don't watch it .
We're like man I would .
That was about one word , Oh I .
I got back anyway . So so I've got .
I've got to find your .
You're still of you on long .
When you're an actor in New York too , it's like you know that that was the joke for the longest time was have you done law and order ? because everybody's done a Law and order right .
So my first law and order it was I basically went up the ladder I'm a first law and order , me and another guy were yuppies and we found the body in the trunk , in the tea , in the teaser . We're walking across the street , yeah , yeah .
And then we open the trunk and Jerry Orback , you know , says something like Detroit cars , they know something about trunk space . And that
¶ Acting and Reminiscing With Goldblum
was it . The next one was I was a neo Nazi . Neo Nazi I was a friend of . I was a neo Nazi record producer , frank right . So I was on the stand for a scene . Then the next one I was like the guy you know , killing old folks , an old folks home , putting poison in toothpicks , kind of a dick . And then I did , you know , an SVU .
Finally , i finally did a criminal intent where I was like you know , the fucking bad criminal tint Was .
That was not for you I .
Was on it when it was . No , i was on it with , with Jeff , who is just a brilliant , amazing musician and so far so he I don't know him at all .
When I'm on the show , right , and We're doing this interrogation scene my first day up , and he's like and All the lines he has in this the guests always have at the hardest on lawn , or it's like you know , yeah , and then I went to at 9 30 I went over there and grabbed a knife but it wasn't my , not you know And then he goes , and then what right ?
so .
Of course he has to learn one line . So Jeff was like before each take will will I ? I heard your , you're a Broadway guy . Yes , you're a Broadway guy Is that you're in rent ? a rent you were doing That's a 520 and action . You're like I don't know words Because I'm trying to concentrate , it's first time ever done it .
And then you literally cut , you cut , you're you done the scene he goes will and what was that like ? you're up there playing the guitar in front of all these people and action . You're like I again can't act because I can't remember my lines , because Jeff goblins fucking talking to me up to action . You know he's , he was fucking just so .
That was the Jeff Goldblum years . That was not the . I heard that was true , but I hear to not . Fray was like the nicest guy in the world . Now I hear he's like the coolest guy in the world and like all of his work seems to show .
So he's in one of my . I'm saying that as a diss .
That's a disclaimer . Will chase is saying that gays Vincent is listening to this .
No , yeah , you'll never lose it , but he's in my all-time favorite movie . Never has changed the salty seat and he plays .
We were up . Yes , yeah , that is my favorite . I mean , full metal is pretty full back to Kubrick . I remember Magazine . Every Tuesday my mom would go to blue bonnet and buy mad magazines magazine . That's the extensive J's .
And even then I was confused .
I was like oh , But I know there's cartoon tits . But what ? how do you fold ? Yeah yeah , yeah .
But they have picture of Vincent DiNofrio and I can see And he's In this , big enough for you , and he has they said oh he played , you know private .
And I was like that's not the same guy , you didn't have an internet back then , so you have to watch the movie , get an old .
Cooper um okay , so that's actually great lead it for Back to rescue be able to make . Is there something you did ?
sure .
We're going to last left . You broke out . Lou got back in the hospital . I think I keep the skip to the last one . Third one was oh , the third's going to the ballet so . So in the first episode you said what you said , he got . You know , you know get cut out And you're passionate about good right .
Then the second episode is coming . Sassy balls out in the hoonie , you're real sassy like , like you like what he said you know , you know We do it here . And you go , i got cancer . And then he said you know two point , you know how's that going in you . So now you're gonna get an attitude right , right , right in that same episode .
I love it when my character Mikey is play hit when you're a Gary together . I mean it's like Brilliant in the middle of them and you said something about Because the callback to the first .
That was awesome . Here , where they're going to ballet , there's so much more of your character and he's Sorry well .
I was just saying that I like to , though That's not typical firemen . What's they did with the character is going to the ballet , and they even had this thing out front . We're like whatever got you interested in the ballet ? I just wanted to see what chicks who could brush their breast , their hair with something right and and , and .
Then we go in the ballet and of course I moved and Steven Oh , i just watched it today I'm crying and I let out a big cough and cry at the same time . Right , this quiet ballet mode . I'm like Like that crying .
¶ Firefighter's Legacy and Personal Struggles
Pasquale and and Mike are sitting there and they're asleep , yeah , so there's a close up of them asleep . And he wakes up and every time he woke up , and every different take Steve Garrett , he's Steven Pasquale would say something different . The one they use Makes me laugh to this day , because they would make me laugh every time .
Like you can't make me laugh , i'm crying and he's one of my dearest friends . So he woke up and it's like you hear a cough and he goes maple syrup , it's just maple syrup . And To this day I'll text him and I like maple syrup because it's truly one of the funniest . He's like , just out of nowhere .
That's what it's , that's what he's dreaming about maple syrup . And and you know , and they're trying to do right by me , they're trying to , you know , and then , of course , in the next episode they try to , you know , take me around to people that I've saved .
Of Course , that completely backfires , but , but It gets to that last monologue , when , when , when , pat's dying , i'm not gonna tear up , but it makes . It gets me choked up thinking about it And it's my .
It's funny because I wasn't choked up doing it , because I'm the guy dying , but watching it's like And I'm sure you must think this and you have to think this , this has to be part of your DNA this monologue And we talked about this a little bit when we were prepping but You know , the whole setup is each , each person that they take him to it's worse and
worse . Why'd you save that asshole , you ? you , you should have saved me , you know Right . And this other guy's like yeah , i know you saved him , he's done four life sentences for killing a family or whatever you like .
Oh shit right , but in the car ride at the very end He's like so they're like hey , man , pat , sorry , we're sorry , he goes and and I say something to the effect of no , you know what , you don't get to pick and you guys call them saved . I Didn't know if that was a week lights , i heard it say in a lot , but normally it's grand .
But I say great , i say the point is . The point is he says you know we , we don't . You know we go uptown , downtown Brooke , brooklyn , bronx , over East Side , doesn't matter , you know , you don't get to pick who , you say yeah and It's this lovely moment and they in its end . Then , of course , the zinger right before he goes .
You know if , if saves had to fill out , you know something about something like profile reports ? We probably let most of them fry right , and then the camera goes over and we've already discussed you know .
But it's this lovely moment of like right , that's like these people , you , you go in there and It could be crackhead , it could be upper East Side , it could be rich , it could be poor , it could be . Whatever it is . It doesn't matter to you in that moment and it probably doesn't matter to you at all .
I'm sure you have Opinions when you get back to the firehouse fuck , why did that person do this ? or Living squalor , or whatever . You shared a story with me I won't share , but you started short store a personal story with me about a thing and but Like you don't have , not that you don't have time , even if you had time , you don't .
You don't get to pick , you just do your thing and that's fucking just admirable as fuck , you know thank you .
It's weird that you don't . You don't really there's no judging . You're gonna do anything to help anybody like you got that mentality .
We don't think about it like look . Of course you know we're like .
We're the people that were proud together And we're gonna help everybody .
And we do that .
That's where that twisted humor comes , why the ballet scene cracks me up every time . That I would you told me right now that was written by a firefighter .
I don't .
I get because it was perfect because firefighters , in my experience , are very complicated . They see the outside , they don't . We see very , you know the rugged nacho stereotypical yeah , but we're not very complex .
I get to talk to you about Music , right ? So ?
so I did really well and very first time I saw that , first time I was like I get that's me . I don't want to be afraid to mention that .
That Ever heard one , and then you come out mad and the other one am I gonna remember , for , yeah , am I gonna be remembered , like if that's a struggle for us .
We don't . We say we don't care Already discussed that .
No , we already . I didn't mean to go , you know we've already discussed that with that's . That's the human dilemma We want , of course , we want to be Remembered for something , whether that's being a great parent , or or if you want a great relationship with your kids or whatever that is . But we want to care , surely . I want to carry on .
Is it really just over ? I believe it is . I believe it's over , but I also believe that I live on through . You know , i lost my , my ex-wife in the last year and a half and she and I've shared all this with you and Ingrid and the kids and we're all close and I was close with her husband , all the stuff .
And I know it sounds cheesy when I hear people say it lives on through the kids and stuff , but Lori's memory really , like I Tactile daily . There are things that are Lori to me or a memory that we shared , or an energy .
I don't mean that she's floating around the room going , hey , well , you know , but through through my kids , or through a joke or through a thing that's happened or that's how you know . That's to me how we do .
So of course some of it's important in our world a politician or or an actor , or Of course we do , but you know , a firefighter especially , you're late , you're actually laying your life on the line And what am I gonna be ? and am I gonna be remembered that ballerina is because she does an artistic thing that people see in love ?
Am I going to be because I ran into a burning building Tuesday and then Wednesday ?
So that can't speak for all of us . Spirit good baller , the ones that I've spoke to , that stuff like this that we would even think that . I think that would bother us more than not being remembered . Is that we , we thought that for a second , like truly , truly , we're very eager to compete , right and I think you have to be open about that .
I'm not saying the points that it's all about you , but I mean it's just one of those things , so I think ever I had to say something to wear How ? how would that be for me , as a firefighter , say in front of other firefighters ?
Well , of course you they . yeah , these are private , these are private , yeah , these are . these are a moment you have in your private closet , and your private Probably so is we don't .
We don't just now getting looking into the mental health aspects of our job . Yeah , so for us to admit that is so hard . We're the we're the first people that wanted help with the last person .
So so say what you said out loud .
I'm like man , that's true , i . Because we do like the idea of being , you know , helpful and not for our own .
And and , but you might , you might on your deathbed in front of a brother , in front of a brother of firefighter . I mean , you know what I mean ? Yeah , that's what it is . Yes , absolutely . now I think I'll tell you what I mean . No judge , no judge , say whatever you want , there's nowhere right .
So like , let's say for example you know your kid goes play baseball , these Right , right , when the kid goes bad , you go club to .
That fucker cannot hit a ball .
Shit right . So that's our club to , so I'm sorry , jays .
No , i could close to Moving that . I really think it's moving , but but you really capsulated that well and if you look at your Your , if you look at your your archer character , man , it it this is where it's , really it's it right here . You're like , you're getting . More testing right , right just like your bull right right .
Right , right , the last thing he does in your , in your . uh , you wanna come on up ? Yeah , he , you know it's , it's he .
First he's shocked by this thing that's oh my god , this is happening to me , right right this bullet And it's slowly making its way , but he's really , oh , it's slow , so I'm gonna walk around it , look at it , taunt it , be angry with it , curse it , but then you know Which , which you've realized go ahead Oh yeah , oh , he just realizes .
Oh , it's moving to the kill spot .
Is that that ? that balls out the whole you had , though , if you think about it sure yeah , yeah So now move , move .
Okay , so now you're , you're first thing , the bullet coming at you , right , right , why was this happening to me ?
as fuck , i didn't . I don't deserve this . Your all this anger , just like when you're at the .
Ballet , so you're at the ballet You're trying to keep it together . You're trying to do the best .
What life you got left on your like , just fucking sucks , and then you got your .
Firefighters you'd be like mad that you're thinking shit right .
So that's how the day in here on purpose , but I do think there's a good parallel . And then in your last episode you're in to me . That was my solid goal , because I could see firefighters do this .
I could see it wasn't a here's the beauty of it . Was it real thing ? they know .
They know it wasn't like they could put in all of the rescue people You know together to make his last day perfect . That came pandering and that's not real , right , right , it has to play , yet his friend , if they had his friends .
Friends , not not thinking about that , but you're so good you believe , and he's taking you around trying to make you feel better , right , and then I see it . I'll come back to this . I see Things I love about . My favorite part about any act , any active ever , is how they can face stuff out over the top . I think Jack did was pretty with it , jerry .
Heartlocker Jeremy Renner . Oh my god , yeah , that's what you were doing , that whole last episode .
He's taking you around you were the diner and your face when that one guys like Oh , that , and you're kind of , i mean , i mean you just so much was so little movement and very little works .
But it can fade fucking everything .
I was like I get that , then you go to mr White's , and so now you probably and I'm just guessing I'm gonna take this character Like I like .
This is not okay , this is , i'm getting some closure . You're seeing that coming right . You are mad . And now you get to the point where you're about to say But , but you're not , so you're happy . Then you go see mr White's and he's like why'd you say me , i'm mad at you , and now you're ?
like I give .
But it's really amazing , different , you know , just such subtle things that really made that sense , and then To tie back in .
In the car You're realizing . I mean , it's a resolve .
Yeah , it's a result , it's , it's that whole , nothing that fits so perfectly everything .
You know there's a beginning , there's a middle end . You really don't have any control except very . That's Right right .
This is gonna happen Here . We go right here And I love , and I love again to that moment in the rescue me , the way it was shot and the way John Fortbury directed it , the way he just didn't . You just don't linger on , you don't know that . That's what's happened , you're not expecting that to happen and that's the way People die something .
Yeah , you know what I mean . And this is just , oh , this character is gone and then , you know , the camera goes back over and Pat's dad and then the other two kind of look at him and just like there's a you know Silence and you know yeah it's , it's a lovely , but it's not over the top , it's not . oh , he's dying .
No close-up , it's a real , a real kind of moment , which I Appreciated , the way that you know , when you're talking about how we gonna do this and stuff , and I was like , oh , that's lovely , we just it just happens Such a small group and Yeah , it was you know , you didn't seem die , really didn't know .
To The guarantee , see the small , the garrity character . Yeah , calls back to me .
And when there's no answer . That's when you was watching . You like Pat .
Yeah , and then ?
it was . it was so unassuming It was great .
So it was the words . The acting . It was not . They could have crowded everybody if Pat could have died . You know , you know any other way . Everybody around , all hero bullshit , but that's not .
I love that they give him , but they do give him the pavilion right , the bad , that's it . Well , it's a , you know , basically a bathroom , but what are you gonna do ?
sometimes Goes right back to the show dudes , i can do this all day long . I can , you can now You make a movie called your . You're gonna go to self . Your will chase .
Okay , i'm on it . It's just we hang up , but I've got to work on breaking big stand first .
Yeah , my brothers and sisters , listen to this that love , rescue me , join it and I know there's a ton of them out there like me to just love And getting a glimpse behind the scenes talking to you . You're so real .
Oh yeah , man , it's right on man . Oh no , it's my pleasure and I and I and I and I always like listening to Things like this , to a little behind the curtain and finding out what people are .
Oh yeah especially .
Even I listen to actors talk all the time . I love it , i think it's , i'm fascinated by it and But seriously , i hope , i hope some of your brothers and sisters will listen to , i think It's important for them to hear you know how well I mean it . An entire fucking show on for what ? Seven , seven years ? that has
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to that . Really I think to your point about it being one of the best ones , if not the best one .
That kind of encapsulated that , that , what it , what it's kind of like and the psychology of what it's like , and and I love the image of mental health and All those things , because that's , you know , that's an ongoing dilemma in every and everybody's Chosen job or chosen profession .
That just saying that that's okay , you know it's okay , it's okay to talk about . Yeah , yeah do , and So I love , i love this and what you're doing . This is absolute blast .
I love it . This is great . This is great . Yeah , just think we started three or four short weeks ago and .
Every time same clothes and kind of you know same tequila's coursing through my Watch , watch , watch the crowded room I was about to say I cannot wait .
And then I can't wait , dope sick and another one .
We oh smash was great . That could be , but you can do that as well and watch .
Last time I did that .
Okay , donations .
And this is really cool . Thank you for representing us pretty well , brother , i appreciate that .
Thank you very much , my pleasure . Thanks for allowing me the time .
Take care , okay , all right , see you brother All right , brother , and let's see , okay , Stop , stop . I .