It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. I think that's pretty fair for a guy once a quarter, four times a year trim and toenails. If it needs to be done, it needs to be done. I'll think you that you can go by the calendar year. You probably wish I would because I probably maybe really do it like twice a year. And cole holes
Marnie Winfield, the people that really are drawn to twelve step problem. One piece of those twelve step groups is because it's people from all different varieties in lengths of time of sobriety. It is Saturday, May fourth, twenty twenty four. My name's Corey Winfield. My name's Marty Winfield, and this is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast. Apparently my cat she's going by her that is tonail clippings. Yeah, she just does not clip her toenails. Oh she
doesn't. She refuses to. You had a great time taking her to the vet yesterday. She's well, she's gonna be she's coming up on fourteen. Can I just say right now, I'm glad that we have a full almost twenty four hours since that experience to talk about it. Because it was that upsetting what no way, way, total total way. Yes, you want to talk about it, you can no go ahead with your Let this go ahead, and I'm gonna hear your story first. Okay, So you're gat
the dramatic music, you know, because it was nothing like that. No, it was. It was more if you have like chaos, like oh yeah, different background music. Let's try all right, well, so the lyric okay, so I'll just give the abbreviated version. So the appointment was at ten thirty at the vet, and the concern was that you had had and noticed her kind of being sensitive, like paying being more mindful of her,
of her footing. If we want to rewind back even further, let's go back because we held her down and they clipped her toenails or her claws, whatever you want to call them. Just call them toenails, Okay. I don't know, because there's like a vein in their little paws where if you cut their toenail too sure, it'll hurt them really bad. So I thought we did a pretty good job. But I'm not a cat nail cliper person, so I don't think I did the best job. Ever. It
was out of a ten. I probably did a one because it was like hold her down, get her and she's like ohow, and she's kind of a big cat. You kind of picked like you do two nails and then let her go. Yeah, and we wait, and then the next morning she ran on the bed and like, get her, get them nails, get the other two. Come on, hurry, let's go. Right. It was an ordeal, So I don't think I did a very good job.
But I noticed that she had been limping, and she's older and we have many more stairs in our place now, and I just thought she maybe had smart right or maybe her nails were bugging her, and I thought we should probably go to the vet. So I was like, honey, we need to take Nico to the vet. And you're like, O'll schedule it. Yeah, You're like really great about it. And then you're like, I'll take her. And I was like, oh, okay, okay, Yeah. I felt I was confident about it. I've taken her before.
I've loaded her up in the little kiddy caddy before. She's not the easiest, but she can't chill. It's doable, and we've moved her when we moved her from Yo to because we were in that hotel for a while before we found her apartment, so we've moved her around. She's not a fan of vehicles. She just doesn't care for it. She gets real sick, she pukes, she poops in the carry. It's just it's not a fun
thing for her, and she gets real stressed out. So normally when we take her you have to just kind of like see her on the bed, just grab her, don't say nothing to her, and then she's she doesn't want to be picked up either, So when you take her and you just throw it right into the carrier, just boom boom done. No talk, no conversation, just do. And when I left yesterday, I made sure that she was in the bedroom because I'm like, this will be a lot
easier. She's just in the bedroom because we also, on top of this, we have Bob helping us out, and Bob's painting some rooms in our home, actually all of them, but he's doing them one at a time. So she doesn't also like strangers, so she freaks out. So keep that in mind that she's on high alert someone else is in the house, she can hear them, and so I just shut her in the bedroom. I thought that's where she'll be and then Marty can come in and take her
and there'll be no problem. So I'm sitting at work and I get a FaceTime or actually it was a call from you saying I can't find Nico. I can't find your cat, and I'm running late. I get the vet, like what's going on. I was like, she's in the bedroom, and you're like, yeah, I know, I didn't let her out. You're adamant about not letting her out, and you search the bedroom, but there's only so many place as a cat and hide. And I was like, well, she's not in there, like she must have got out but
I didn't let her out. I'm like, well she's not in there, like I don't know where she could be. And I'm like, well, she's probably she ran downstairs. And then I remembered a couple of weeks ago, sorry we got morning voice. It's like seven point thirty in the morning. Here she can I remember she was under the couch that we have in the Windfield Plex, which is just next to the office down here, and the other cats were messing with her and I heard her growling at him.
I'm like, oh, so she can fit under the couch downstairs, So I bet that's where she's at. Yeah, that's where she was at, and then decided to move the couch and she's just let that happen and jumped in your arms and said take me to the kiddie doctor. Yeah, you were cracked all up until the very last bit there. Oh okay, And
it was exact opposite of that. But no, So I had looked for her for quite some time before I actually called you, because I was just like, come on, this is ridiculous and so oh, I you know, I called him thinking like there might be some some place where I'm not thinking of because I'm frazzled. Because I was I was so ahead of myself on time that I was like doing other things. I haven't called the vet, and I was like, can I come early? I was like,
negos, upstairs in the bedroom. I know where the kiddy caddy's at downstairs in the storage room. Let's go snag that. She's probably on the bed. I'm just gonna pick her up and put her in there and we'll be on our way and so oh, and then I waited to that moment, so I was like forty forty minutes ahead of schedule, and I was just gonna go in and be early and it didn't work out that way. So anyway, she was underneath not only underneath the couch, she was in the
lining underneath the couch. So there was two strategically made hope, not strategically. They were just randomly made by our all all or one or all of our casts. I'm not sure. I couldn't blame on either one of them. Right how they have access to the lining underneath, so it's not completely all ripped out. It's just there's two ways to get in and out of
this lining. And so when she she already knew I was looking for she's a smart cat because I had been down here moving things around whatever, and I had looked underneath the couch and it drops down. That lining has always dropped down, so I don't I just didn't see her. That's where any Anyway, that's where she ended up being. I only knew that because she
started when I started moving stuff around big time. She was not happy about that, thanks for sure, like kind of scooting the couch away from the wall, and you're like, she's moving with it. Yep, because she's in it. She's in it, yeah, yeah. And I shouldn't have told her because before I left, I said, all right, Nico, you're going to go to the kiddie doctor today. And Nico understands English, and I think she knows, like, oh shit, that's happening today.
So then and the door mysteriously opened by a demon to let her out, she was like, here's my chance. I gotta go hide under the couch. She probably ran all the way down here and jumped in the couch. Yeah. And so you finally you pull the couch out, you start trying to tip it over, and she jumps out and you see her. Then what Then she just was like demon kitty. I can't I can't use any
other explanation other than that. It was like she'd been possessed. I mean, she's always has a little bit of attitude, but she's sweet to me, you know, But she knew what was happening. So she was just like, I don't care who you are. I'm mad and I want to
go with you. And even before that, before I even got her out, while she was in her little cave underneath the in the lining of the couch underneath, and I was trying to like I use like a vacuum extender to like, you know, think I could scoot her out, and then she would just once she would run out into the open space that I could snager, And so that pissed her off, and so she started like batting
and with her claws out and hissing and groaning. And then the other two cats are down here quarantined because of the painting upstairs, and so they're watching all of this and there, and then they want to come to my rescue, especially Luna or Gray ones. She comes over like what you why are you doing this to my mama? So she starts fighting her back for like I think in my defense of course, and so I couldn't get her them separated. It was just oh my god, and my I was having like
my heart rate was elevated. I was like ups hat. You know. I knew that I wasn't supposed to be like moving heavy things, so I was trying to be strategic about that. Oh my gosh. Anyway, long story short is I finally got her up the stairs twice, two or three times. I got her up to the landing on the stairs, thinking this is gonna be a good idea to be able to get her into the trapper there and well, I left it open, I left it unzipped, and
it was the bottom of the stairs. I left it at the bottom of the stairs because I knew that that was a So I was like, my plan was, like you said, just grab her by the neck if you can get there. I knew I was probably gonna take some more some scratches along with it. Did you paint like a sign next to it and put some grass over it arrow pointing into it? Here? No? I did
it? No, are you right? But so the last attempt, I literally I even told myself this, I'm like, I'm gonna try this one more time and then if this doesn't work, I'm gonna I'm gonna call him and cancel. O. Sorry, we're interrupting exercise time on SNS exercise time. So I went up to grab her, and she scooted around me and angrily ran down the stairs and ironically literally ran into the kiddy caddy. And I was like, what are the chances of that. I don't know if
that was purposeful or not. She probably was like, you know what, I'll go just don't touch me. That's what she was thinking, I know what you're doing. Let's friggin do this. Yeah, that's crazy that she would have Yeah, it was right down to the bottom of the stairs, and I had it the whole thing open, so it wasn't just like unzipped
halfway. It was all the way open, like drawbridge, drawbridge, and then she boop ran right into it, still growling the whole time, and I was like, no, you're kidding me, right, So I was like, zip, zip. I wouldn't believe. I wouldn't believed. Like if i'd have been here, I'm like, honey, well you'd probably got her, because teamwork, I think is the key to this whole thing. But I would have said, honey, that there's no way in how she's
coming down the stairs. That wasn't even the intention. I wasn't like, here's an idea. If I leave this open at the bottom of the stairs, she'll run into it. No, not in a million years. That was that's not possible. And I'm like, you just gotta grab her by her neck, pick her up and in there. That's what the plan you want to do that? And then she's like, gosh, has you hurt her? Yeah? So then I put it in there, and I'm talking to her the whole way, and I'm like, we're gonna talk about this
when we get back. I expected a full apology from you. She's pup and poop and everywhere. Yeah, so but we know we made good. So she's old, she's not a huge fan. But we did find out that she had three and three claws that had their toes. I guess is what they call them is like what our thumbs are, right, and those ones were grown into her pads. Yeah, and then also one of her pinkies, which that said was weird but had grown into her into her pad,
so not very comfortable. We got her antibiotics, they clipped them all and then I said, how do we what's the plan here? Like, how do we talk to her about her toail up cheap? Right? And as parents of animals, obviously you have to take that responsibility. If you're not capable or willing to do it yourself, then you need to figure out who will do it for you or how you'll pay you know, and it can it's expensive. I mean, if you feel like you're not you can't
do it. There's groomors that will do it, or you can make an appointment with your vet, but that's gonna end up being costly. You gotta track the cat down. Yeah, So no, I wonder if we could buy because the little man, if you can hear, he's working out on his exercise wheel. I wonder if we could buy something like that but with like sandpaper, yeah, or something where they walk on it and it just they would not they wouldn't do it, wouldn't walk on it, they wouldn't
do it. Can we file them? Like, what's the easiest way? I think that we just need to actually just clip them and not just do one or two we need to or we just need to take her to like I don't know. If we feel like we can't do it, then we're gonna have to take her to pet Smarter where we can do it. It's just I don't know that I'm good at it. I don't want to cause her more pain. But if again, if it's she's in all this pain.
And maybe there's some people listening to have cats that they have to do this once a month and it's probably not a bad thing some cats, I get. I guess if you do it early, they can get used to it. Yeah, And so It's not a don't touch me kind of thing. It's like, hey, all right, we're doing maneos today. Not a big deal. Sure, yeah, because they have those cat caps, those claws caps that you can put on cats, which I don't even see
us. I don't see how that would even stay on there for twenty minutes. So you glue them on. Yeah, that's okay, good luck. But I see like in the videos of the ladies just putting it on the cat just sitting on her lap. I'm like, there's no way in l our cats would allow that. No. Wow. So it's just we just have to upkeep and we have to just get more comfortable doing it. Yeah. Would you have done that sober? No? Absolutely not. You probably get in here. Nope, not have Okay, never mind, be like,
I don't know, it's your cat. She automatically becomes your cat when she's got an attitude. And when do they start growing into their because when she was younger, she never did that. And that's what I'm saying, like, is she not doing enough scratch him? Yeah, it's that. It's because when they gets they get older, they're not as active with like the scratchy posts. That's why I say, ice cream watch TV all day. Yeah, so they don't actually naturally like come off, and you'll you'll
find I mean, people who have cats know this. Every once in a while you'll find like a claw, and it's when they get long enough then they'll kind of like gnaw off, like chew them off, like by my toenails or like like your nails. Yeah, well I'll look on Amazon or the internet and see if there's any kind of like trick stuff we can do, so that way I can be lazy and not have to do anything all on her, like knock her out. Clip your nails responsibly. That's that's
everybody knows that. Yeah, you're going to clip them responsibly otherwise you know it's your fault. Yeah, but these are I mean, these are the like I mean, I don't want to say it was excitement, because it was a lot of excitement. It was really that's that's exactly what you wanted
to do when you're nine months pregnant. Yeah, exactly chased. And I was literally up and down these stairs, three flights of stairs, I can ask Bob, And to God, I was up and down these stairs like fifteen times, and Bob tipped us off because you were going floor by floor after I'm like, well, she's not in the bedroom, and you're like, I've looked everywhere, but I didn't let her out, So I don't
know how she got transported down to the basement. But so you checked the middle floor first, and that's when Bob was like, oh, I saw her in here a little bit ago. Not it was I saw her, and You're like where, and he was like, in here? Yeah,
Well she wouldn't have been in here. And when I rewound in my head it was because we were getting some other We're getting all different kinds of stuff fixed and patched up, and and I had apparently my guess is is that when I was in that bedroom for like a brief second with him, because I was showing him the it's part of a fan that's in our room, and she probably did not like hearing his voice because she hates strangers, and so she probably bolted and I didn't see it. So so you were right
that she had gotten out. But then I was like, did I let her rocks? I did go up and change shirts. I'm like no, because I remember telling her she's just going to the kidney doctor today, which I probably shouldn't have. She really does understand that. Like if I tell her to get up, she gets up, you know. Like I mean, if I say go to mommy, go to Mama's spot, she goes to mama spot. You know, she really does understand what we're saying.
And she's had enough bad experiences with and they're not really bad experience. The car ride is what she absolutely hates. Yeah, when you get her to the kiddie doctor, she's cool, but that all right, she just hates it. She gets so nauseous and sick. It's just it's just not fun for her. So when I say kitty doctor, I know that she puts two and two together and it's like, oh shit, like that's happening today.
Yeah, thanks for that. Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said that, And I'm serious, I shouldn't have because I think that, like I said earlier, if you just walk in grab her, she doesn't know what's going on, throw her in there. She's like, oh shit, oh
no, we're going somewhere. Yeah, the time she realizes that it's too late, but you give her some warning, she'll be hiding and getting all hostile and yeah, but they're they're all doing a lot better with a kind of disarray that is our home right now, just because we have to. And you know, yeah, let's let's talk about that for a minut. Let's talk about Bob Bob. And now we found Bob. We I don't know how or what, but I was sent this link to get on this
site called hold on. I should probly figure out what It's called first neighbors or something next door next door and it's like Facebook for old people, which I guess Facebook is for old people, so this is really confused, but it's for like neighborhood people, and so I joined it. I was like why not? And then I would see like, hey, there's a sasquatch over here. We spotted one over here, and there's a bear on Spring Road. And I'm like, oh shit, okay, this could be helpful.
And we were like, man, we got to find some painters because we wanted to fix some things before Parker comes. And he's coming very very soon. Yes, and what do we do? And I say, ah, I did see somebody on there saying like beware scam artists, beware of this guy. Don't let him do asphalt. And there are other people on there, like I paint doors and whatever. I mean, they put whatever on there, probably something better than I paint doors, but I'm just saying.
That came to my mind. So I was like, cool, So I jumped on there and I posted, Hey, looking for a painter, looking for some of you, you know, some odds and ends up before the baby comes, and some people responded, and one of the first people to respond was Bob and he's like fifty years experience, not a not a painting. I'm like, okay, cool, that's what I want. And I could tell that just by looking online about how to hire a painter, and that experience is huge. You know. We had one guy and it
didn't really work out. We had n't paint one room at first, and that's when we started looking for others. But if somebody has that much time, that much experience, they're they're worth every penny, you know, even if they charge more, you know, they're like okay. So I just seeing that, I was like, all right, cool that this guy's he's
semi retired. We found out later he's fully retired, but that's cool, you know, I mean, he still does that, so I guess he's not fully retired because he's painting our house for money, and that's that's a job, that's what he does. But as far as like the nine to five whatever, yeah, he's not doing that anymore. So saw him, I'm like, all right, cool. And then this other guy rode down there too, and a couple other people, and some of them didn't have
websites. Some of them had zero pictures of what they've done, and I didn't feel comfortable with that. And then I started looking at their phone numbers, and there was Bob's phone number, which was ended into zero one seven. Obviously the two, the one, and the seven stood out, and I thought, haha, I think I might even said something like, honey, this is probably our guy because he's got to seventeen thing that his phone work. And I look at another guy's and his was zero two one seven.
I thought, well, maybe this is the guy, you know clearly. So I eliminated everybody else and just focused on the two seventeens. And so we get the other guy, and he he actually came first to give us an estimate, and every time we were like and then this wall, and he'd like roll his eyes like, oh that wall too, and you
want the basement done and the bathroom. Oh, he's just hold on, let me just draw some sketches here, and I'm gonna have my son with me and maybe a couple of his friends in the whole neighborhood, and who knows how many people are gonna come in your house and we're gonna all do it all at once. And I'm like, oh my god, this is crazy. And then he gave us a quote for eighteen thousand million dollars and we were like whoa, Like, we don't have eighteen thousand million dollars and
I thought maybe he just outpriced it. And then he like wrote me back, hey man, you you checked my beard. And he's like, I want half before I even start the job. And when I knock on your door that day I start my job, I want to make sure I have the other quarter, so that way I have three quarters of the monies. And then I'm thinking, like, what is the limit to small claims court? Because this is a guy. He didn't have website. He just gave
me a business card and it says licensed. I'm like, yeah, that doesn't doesn't help me. You don't have a website, You know, have pictures of any of your work, Like, are you a scam artist? Are you charging people enough? That way? You get three quarters of the eighteen million, thousand dollars and we can't even take you to small claims. You got to go hire a lawyer and do all this other stuff, which is gonna cost us more money in the end. So like you hit that
happy medium to where you just walk away. You're like, well, I lost all that money because I have spend more than that to get a lawyer to get that back. So it wouldn't even be worth it because there are scam artists out there, and I don't know. I didn't didn't like his rolling of the eyes and just like, oh, then you're gonna have me do that. So he's exaggerating. No I am not, not not one bit some people, but it overall we should have. Yeah, it just
didn't make sense in a lot of different ways. Yeah sounds and then Bob hit me back, and then I was like, whon't you come give us an estimate, and and Bob's approaches. Look, man, I'm retired. I do this on the side, you know, some extra income so me and my wife can live comfortably and I can paint all this for you. I can do this, I can do that. I can do that. I'll throw on the trim. I do that for freedom matter. Blah blah
blah. And he give us a quote which was not eighteen thousand million dollars. So we were like, huh, that's right where we wanted to be with our quote. And I was like, looking, I'm gonna come maybe do this that day. And that day, you know, I don't work all day, you know, like seven to noon, seven to one. And that was that was more our pace too. But now when you know, when then once you get into it, and he's doing a great job.
He really is. And once you get into it, then he's like, okay, they got painting tarps on the floor, and but hey, we're getting it done and it's worth it. And Bob's great. And he said to me too, when he came to do the quote and to kind of look over the job, I was wearing my sober sweatshirt. He's like, I like your sweatshirt. He's like, are you sober? I was like, well, actually, I'm in recovery. He's like, oh, me too, like fifty years or something, you know, and it's like,
oh, well cool. You know, so that's another sign. And you know, we talk quite a bit. We were talking the other morning for like an hour, and you're like, why don't you just go get the microphones turn those on? Sure, I want you. Okay, that's a cory thing. Let's go check it out. Check it out, Bob to go check a color. And three hours later we are back from checking
a color. How's it going. Marnie's going good. Someone listening in real time is probably like, what yeah, that, Yeah, let's replay that. Bob yelled down, Hey guys, I want you to come check a color, and it's a good thing he did. And earlier I was talking about fifty years experience, and I think this came into play. I did because there was a color that I wanted to pick out, and there's an app through Sherman William's website which looks nothing like the actual color that's going on
your wall, so it's pretty pointless to use it. And I had a hard time finding a color, and I picked out Armory, which was like a really dark gray, and their website and app which really is like a really dark brown, nothing like I wanted, and Bob having this experience is like, I'm gonna ask him before I paint this bathroom. I'll pull a little bit on the wall to see if they agree. And we went up there and I said, no, it's not what I want. I don't want a dark brown. I wanted a gray. Yeah, So off to
home Deep. No. First off to Sherman Williams. I go in the new color I picked out. It was called city Scape. That's gonna be my bathroom. And we had network gray that we did our bedroom in. So if you want to go see what colors that Marnie and Corey's house is going to be there, you go. And then agreeable gray is coming soon
for the kitchen and downstairs, but in the office. But yeah, so I went and got that, came back, and then you were like, all right, we got to go to home Depot because not only is Bob here, but we have a guy named Mitchell here and he's fixing the dry
wall because the people that had lived here before us. I think this is a mistake I could have made if I wanted to hang some candles like a candle holder up and they drilled straight into the pipe that runs water down from the upstairs to the Yeah, so when you remove the screw on that, it causes the leak, which caused our drywall to be so we had to
replace that. So that's what Mitchell's here is doing. And so I get back and it's like, oh, now we're going to go because not only did the people who lived here before us not watch any Bob Viler shows or know how to hook up YouTube anything, they just took a hacksaw or I think maybe it was a hatchet to the ceiling where they wanted to put a
ceiling fan in there, just like, well, that's good. And so there's this really weird, big asshole that when we opened the door to the bedroom, the suction like starts droppingslation from the ceiling and we haven't really shut that door offten so like it's just no need for us to realize this until now. And it's just like what took the fan down? And we see this like like they're trying to escape from prison or something like I don't even
I don't even know like it's happening. I just think what we're gonna find in the future, Like it's it's this house is so much fun. I love it it's it's like, but the thing is too is it's like, we want to make it better to know this stuff now right, so to get it done right, get stuff repaired, and get it done right. And we've had really good luck, I think, coming across you know, the people that we need to be able to do the jobs that we need
to keep everything moving forward. God, we're not going to know what to do with ourselves when you're like everything's done, we'll have a baby. I think we'll be pretty busy. But yeah, and it's just one of those things. But I'm glad that Bob did check with us, and I think again, that's his experience that he knows, you know, this color. I don't know if this is what they wanted, So let me go not and ask him real quick and yeah, yeah, three hours later we're back,
which if you're listening now, he didn't even miss anything. And the awesome thing is, I mean, on top of the fact of his knowledge and experience with the painting stuff, is Bob is also a person in recovery. He's very proud of it, and so we chitchat about that quite a bit and he's really supportive, like very kind of vocal about like what we do is to seventeen recovery, right, and like you know, finding events
to do with people that show them you can have fun and recovery. It's cool to be sober, Like there are things to do, there are places to go, you know, these are these are experiences that you can have without using alcohol or drugs. And it's so nice when you have somebody like we didn't seek him out for that reason. Obviously, it just happened.
Yeah, it just happened to be the ye and next thing, you know, I mean, it's a person in the fellowship that's just like you know, like there are people and they get it, you know, and it's just really it's really cool to have that connection. Yeah, he's funny. He's like, we could do a golf we can go golfing. And I'm like, that would be kind of a fun little event if you took people golfing and just did some sober golfing out there, that would be fun.
He's like, yeah, if you know, they know how to skate, we can go skating and do some hockey. You know, Bob, you're eighty. Hey it's a young eighty. Yeah. I didn't know he was eighty until the other day. I was complaining because I had slept on my arm wrong again or something. I'm like, oh, I'm so old, like I'll just sleep hurting me and he's like, yeah, my shoulder was a little bit. I still think you should say you have them on the
podcast. I'm painting your house. I'm actually doing work, not just complaining about how I slept wrong. I was like, hold on. He asked me how old I was. I was like forty five and he's like, oh, seventy nine. I was like, I really shouldn't be complaining about how I slept wrong and it was hard to get up and go this morning.
He's like, actually doing work and bending our house and yeah, he's a cool dude, and yeah, I will have him on the podcast at some point, because, like you said the other day where we started going with this, as you came down and you're like, you just need to get some microphones up here. Let me just bring some microphones up He's like, this is a podcast. I think you're being sarcastic because I was being serious. Well, I wasn't being serious about bringing up microphones to that moment.
Is the whole time I was listening to you guys talk. I was essentially just like, this would be a great podcast. Yeah, but we'll have Bob on for sure, and I think that'll be fun and interesting. And there's some of the stories he tells, and you know, he's been sober for a while, but he went through it and went to treatment even and you know, it came to a point where he was like Noah, And I know his wife, I think had a big part to do with
that, with just his marriage. And it's not that he did it for his wife, but he did it because he didn't want to lose that marriage. Yeah, I think. I think it's also interesting too, is like when people will reflect on, especially people with a lot of sobriety will reflect
on. They'll be telling stories about their past and they'll be like, those are the days that I was drinking, And all it is is basically how much more difficult it was to do essentially everything right or where they or a place in their life where they were at where things weren't making sense and things were you know, maybe not even necessarily at their bottom, but just they
had it was struggle. It was a struggle to do to live right because and things were dysfunctional, and relationships were dysfunctional, and relationships with their with children or with spouses, and to have people reflect on that, and it's almost interesting to see how because a lot of the people that have as much sobriety as like he does, they don't made me necessarily think about it a daily basis because it's been so long, and I can imagine that that would
will probably end up happening a little bit, maybe for us somewhat. But it's like almost like these chapters of life ago where it's hard to remember how you know how bad things were until you actually have a conversation with somebody like us where we're kind of new and fresh in it and talking about what we do and why we do it, and it takes them back to yeah, like that was that was I had to go through that. So that's it's really interesting. Yeah. I don't think Bob, this is just me speaking
for him. I don't think he forgets any of it, because he's quick to say, yep, I remember, because we were talking about blackouts and he said that he remembered all the time coming to right was vehicles about to roll, and he's just like, what the hell you know, so like he can relate to that and remember that just like it was yesterday, amast. So there's some things that I know that we'll never I'll never forget, You'll never forget. And people say, well, the more time you have
a way, No, no, I'll never forget it. I don't. I'm not seeing necessarily forget it. But we don't rehatch it like you don't have it in regular conversation, you know what I mean. It's not something that's at the top of your head right until you actually are having a conversation about but which we have those conversations all the time because that's what we do, you know, we help people who are in all different varieties of or types times of sobriety. But yeah, we'll have Bob on at some point,
okay, yeah, just get me pulse it. And speaking of having people on, aren't you supposed to do a podcast with a woman? I have not revisited that, but yes, at some point, I'm kind of We've had a lot going on, but and I'm trying to wrap up my work stuff two with baby coming, so but yeah, it's on my agenda. I'll do it. YEA. His due date's May twenty sixth, but he will be coming before then. That's what I'm going to say, says, So says your magic a ball. Here's the thing about the magic a
ball. I asked him. It's a lil Parker. When when do you want to be born? When you're coming out? In? May eighth popped in my head. May It's like it was, which is like tomorrow seems like, well, it'll be this coming Wednesday, but that I don't know why. There's nothing special about that day for me. It just May eight boom. I was like, Okay, cool, I'll plan on that. And maybe it was some telepathic like psychic I don't know, or maybe I'm
just crazy about that. We're going to find out. But he will come when he's ready to come. Yeah, but I will guarantee you before the twenty sixth. Yeah. So if you're birthday was the twenty six you're like, I want to be born on my birthday. It's not gonna happen. Sorry, just not. It's a beautiful day outside it is, and we're going to go mushroom hunting in our backyard and we're gonna put up deer feed. Did you know which I didn't even neither did you, Marty, of
course I did that. It is illegal in Michigan to put out a deer lick. I know you're thinking I can buy them at the store. We thought we were done of the days of doing illegal things. Yep, you can sell them and you can buy them, you just can't put them out. We were so confused. We went to Jay's Sporting Goods to get some fishing gear and they donated a little something to us for two seventeen's fishing outing
that's coming up in June. And you were like, oh, let's go get some stuff for the deer, because we have deer that run through our backyard. You want to call it a backyard, I don't know. It's behind our house, so little big grass back there in some woods, but there's some deer that pop out from time to time. And last fall allegedly we put out a We allegedly put out a salt lick that we had maybe bought from mere and you asked for that and they're like, whoa, what
are you doing. They're like, wean't put it in our back yard and he's like, no, that's illegal. You're like, well, why do they sell The story yeah, I know, it's just illegal because mad deer disease or something crazy cow disease for deer. I forget the name of what they called it, but essentially it's the same type of thing. It's like
a bone degenerative disease. Yeah, wasted away deer disease. Yeah. It basically says that if, for whatever reason a disease, a disease, deer obviously uses the salt, lick or eats off of the you know, whatever it is that you're putting out there that attracts the deer, then multiple deer can look off the same and it attract deer from like because Michigan deer are
straight. But it's like the Michigan the other deer from like Indiana and the ones that boat over from Wisconsin, those deer could be degenerative deer disease deer. So those deer we don't want in our backyard. But apparently if we put a salt look out there, they're all going to come here, and we definitely don't want any Ohio deer. Well, I mean, I'm telling you that thing was gone in like two days. Yeah, and it wasn't just salt, it was like grain and apples smelled like apples. I don't
know. It was fun to have. It was almost like cat treats to cat. I had to like sneak it out back. He just drop it out there like I didn't do nothing. I just kind of kicked it down the hill a little bit. But this is legit. This is just like this. We bought seed that is. And he called it the gentleman called it. He called it a plot, his growing plot or something. Yeah, and he said it's so he can view the view nature is the deer in nature, and it's not because we're trying to track them down. Just
shoot, didn't he say it looked like a golf course or something. I think he was going too far with it, like we're already going to buy it, dude, you know, just sell it to anymore. But we're like right now we just are looking at like pine needles and or leaves and uh, you know. And I think he underestimated how much I didn't want to work out there because I was like, so I'm just taking just throw
some in the woods and it'll grow. And he's like, well, you're gonna want to grab a rake and kind of move it around and I'm like, well, what kind can we just like throw out in the woods and it will be good. And he's like, well, you're gonna have to kind of break the break the top soil a little bit. That's fine. So we bought a rake and it's going to be a project. So we're gonna do that and then maybe look for some more else out in the woods
in our house. Well, Bob and Mitchell work on our house and it's a good thing, man, it's pretty cool. On the drive to go buy supplies, it's like, yeah, because we had to go back to find this goofy thing. It's called goofy or goofer. It was called a goof ring, Yeah, goof ring when I googled like fi or filler around light fixture or something, and it ended up that's what it popped up with googled it. But come to find out it's called a ceiling molding no medallions
cling ceiling medallion. So it's a fancy piece of literally just plastic. Yeah, that goes in between the ceiling fan and the yeah, the ceiling. So I mean somebody somewhere's making a pretty penny off of it. Is cost to make that and what they sell it for because people who try to cut up their ceiling with a hacksaw, it doesn't doo good. There's a whole bunch of people that make a ton of money off people that just are like
lazy and not good at what they do. On the way there, I look over to you and it is like, can you believe like we can do this and that we're doing this now? And there was a time when we were like, how we're going to pay all rent? You know, like, but they're not splurge on McDonald We didn't really go to McDonald's. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And now it's just kind of like things are just falling into place. You know, you finish school to
seventeen, recoveries doing well. You know, like we're employing people, you know, like we're helping the community, we're helping the economy. Yeah, and we're sober and we're smiling, we're having fun. We actually have a future. It's just it's an amazing thing. And for people who are younger who are turning around. I know there's this man a little bit downstate.
His name is Jonathan, and he's doing well, and you know see people like him who are younger than us, and it's like, dude, you save yourself so much misery, Like you trust me, you're not missing out on anything, right, you know. And he's at that point now too, where he would probably be like, yeah, no, I'm good on drinking. No thanks, been there, done that. But others fight it, fight it for so long and so hard, and then you get to a point you're like, why did I fight that so hard? Yeah?
You know. But for the younger people who have gotten it and turned it around. There's another guy named Andrew who's kind of doing the same thing, and it's like, good for you guys, man, like, don't give in to peer pressure of well we can No, No, I just don't want to. It does nothing good for me in my life, right, you know. To be at that point in life at such a young age, you guys are blessed. You guys are lucky. You really are.
And I'm proud of the younger generation for doing that. Yeah. No, props to y'all for a lot of people make fun of you because your choice of clothing and music, but hey, I'm proud of you for your choice of saying nah, it's I'm gonna change my life for the better. Yeah. Anyway, let's go look for mushrooms and get deer ready to be fed. All right, let's do it. But thanks again for listening to seventeen recovery dot com for resources. If you need to recovery coach, hit us
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