This it's the two seventeen Recovery podcast with Corey Winfield. Hello, please listen to this important message. Your student loan has been flat for forgiveness. We are able to remove your payments today. I'm gonna need your number, lady. I really do need that number. It's the sixteenth of June twenty twenty three. My name is Corey Winfield and this is the two seventeen Recovery Podcasts from the North Studio yet again and special guest Mitchell in the studio joining me.
Mitchell, how are you doing, man? I'm student loan free. What feels fabulous? Yeah. See, they give you money and they're like go to school and you're like okay. Marnie is always like I'm just like, you know, you gotta pay that back. And I'm like, well do you do you? Somebody was tell me all about it yesterday. I'm like, well, if you don't then it might have been Jeremy, it
might have been Norm. It was Norm. And he's like, yeah, but if you don't pay that back, then other people they're going to increase the tuition because blah blah blah. And I'm like, oh, hold on, Norm, I did I tell must I hold on. You know how I tell them my stories. It happens just like I say them. So I said, hold up, Norm, I was like, just calm down a little bit. I added some cuss words in there. I was like, so just shut Norm. He's like, all right, bro, I
get it. But no, no, he said that you have to pay them back and I said, no, the you do. And so then we go into this whole debate and I was like, look, man, it's it's a school. First of all, college is a business. It's a business. They make moneys, okay. And then there this one guy was trying to tell me about how he didn't do bad things to people because of the age difference. It was because back in the day, women used to get married off at twelve. That's pretty g d young, my opinion.
We said, back in the day, they used to do that, they marry them off. But then when schools started becoming a business, they started realizing, wait, look, we need to keep these kids in school. Then they need to go to college, and then we could get funded from the state and be like me and you going, hey, let's start a business. I'm really bad at analogy, so just stay with me. Where we kill spiders. Okay, many kill spiders, that's our business.
They are several, always lurking. You eat them and you don't even know it because it's had a personal experience listening right now, it's crazy that I'm gonna start a business with you, that we're killing spiders. Okay, and then so what I do is I go around and this is already I'm not sure how I'm going to connect us together. It's like the school thing. It's not it's not funny. You're like, go for it. It's a hot shot, go for it, go for it. I think I can
see it though, I can see the bridge. You go around and you kill people's spiders, and then you charge them for it, but they never pay for it. So to make it a living, you have to pay it. You have to charge the people who do pay for it more. That's what norm saying. It's kind of hard trying to find a like a nineteen twenty year old what are you talking about? I'm so confused right now,
I'll have to get all up in it. Oh self explanatory. The drops that you have, they're confusing me sometimes, all right, so no, not the way you lay them out well, here's what we do. We go around and we tell people about how the spiders are bad and you eat them at night. Then we go to the government and be like, look, man, this will be a much better society if people will stop
eating spiders because it gives you diarrhea. And then when you're at diarrhea, you can't work, which people when they work, they give you money, right mister government, and they go, man, we need to get rythm spiders like, well, that's us man, send us in. So we start getting money from the government because people can't just hire an exterminator because these are spiders, deadly spiders that cause diarrhea, so you don't you want f
ron with those. So people don't have the money because it's so expensive to get rid of them. But man, you really need it if you want to go to work and not get fired because you got diarrhea every day, so you're gonna have to get them done. So in order to get it done, you take out a loan from the government and you pay Mitch and Corey spider diarrhea killer service and then we get money. That's what's ups son. I need this to work out for us too, because on the edge
of losing my job because of bathroom related incidents. Yeah, so I'll have to get all up in it to do. But that's that's pretty much how it kind of worked, or is working with the schools and the kids and they're like, oh, you gotta have this job now. I did tell Norm. I said, be careful because when you go to school again, because he's enrolled. If anybody wants to know Norm's life, just listen to this podcast. I will break it down for you. But no, it
happens to me too. Norm. It's okay, but he's going back back to school for him. School proved it, Daddy. I'm not a fool. Just don't any kids. They give you diarrhea. I think that's where this is going. No, it's not even going there. I'm just saying, man, be careful because when I went back, I had this big ass computer and I did tell him this, and it's for like editing video
and audio, so you fired up. It's like like jet plane taken off and I go in there and these little pluck ass kids nineteen year old, eighteen year old's got this whatever. It's a little slim little notebook or whatever they call them just in. My freaking computer is about to fly out my desk and they're all looking at me like I'm stupid, you know, yeah, it's like and they're just like, okay, old man, is that what we used to make coffee in the break room? It sounds like it.
No, we have this repurpose your old computer for the coffee. We have a bun machine at the two seventeen Recovery Center. It's a bun but every so often it needs to heat them elements, so it's like Joe NASA countdown. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's a pretty badass. At least we have one of those. That's what I'm saying. But back to my story here for I get interrupted, is that them kids, man, that they can be a little ruthless, but they can dish it, but they
can't take it. That's why I found when I was going back to school, because it's one kid. I was like, you started like laughing at my computer taking off. So I walked over to his little notebook thing and I flipped it up. That landed on the floor and I stepped on it. That was really insensitive of you. Fabulous, thank you, Justin, And I said don't laugh at my I said, don't laugh at my computer again. Boy. I went and sat down. I said, that's what's
up. I turned my computer off and turn it back on just so I could start up again. And he probably won't have been able to even flip your computer over. Nah, he mean I made sure he wasn't like a very strong kid. I wasn't gonna I wasn't mess with the other kids that were How did you do that? Like years of preparation. Every time he was like, hey, we should go to the gym, You're like, no, no, let'sen I do that. And then a couple of years
later you met him again. Oh no, that everybody in that class was laughing at me. I just went to the weakest kid. That's why I do. He was bully people. Yeah, so that's what I did. Sort of didn't happen that way, but I told norm be prepared. If you're gonna get a computer, they have them that you can loan out that they loan out usually, and you know, just watch out, man. But the stuff that you will see happening will blow your mind. The things
that happened blew my mind. I was in a class that I didn't even open a book for and it was called politics Government. You were talking about this politics. Didn't know I got an A in that class. Marnie will back me up on this. And she was just like, I can't believe that you did that. I can't believe you got an A. And I say, well, it's not that hard. And then there was another class.
I said, watch this, honey. This is this paper she wants written, is about this, this and this, and she's like, yeah, I said, I'm not writing about that. I don't feel like that today. I'm gonna write about this. She said, honey, that's not anything to do with that. I said, I know, but watch bang it out. Meet the minimum requirement of course for the words get graded and
it's a bee. And instructor writes, well, that has nothing to do with the topic, but um, yeah, good job participation points man, Like you turn it in you will get it and then asked me how I failed art class. I don't know, man, it wasn't in person, and it was really hard. I told him, don't mess with art man. Yeah, it was like, read this book and tell me what kind of paint brush leaves this texture? H stuff. That one the blue talk
about paint brushes and textures that this thing. The day we were just talking about. Um, Adobe photoshop, that's what. I don't know why I lost that, but um, I heard they have a they have a glue brush, so it looks like glue. Now, I've been to a couple different websites on the internet before, two or three, a couple of different ones. Um, they don't use that for glue. They don't. They
don't use that for clue. There's all kinds of Pruss issue. You can get like a little packs and buy all kinds of stuff in there, but you can actually do something that looks just like a painting. I know, I'm just saying, like the strange, but it's supposed to look like if you were the dump clue out on something. You're not following me so and I was just like, yeah, that's not that's not what they're using for
append to those websites. See that animation. It's not clue nothing. Just let me know when you're Oh, Jim, you want me, dude, I'm so sorry. Man, I was supposed to be nice to you. Taylor. There we go. Damn, dude, I get it. That's freaking hilarious. Every time you feel it's really easy to just start right over, pick it right up where your left off. That's awesome. That's killer joke, dude, that's killer. I promised that. When I got out of the car today, I looked at money and said, I'm gonna be
nice to match today. That's my goal because Sad yesterday she said she'd be listening, not to the part. I didn't even know how hard my job was gonna be today with that goal, I didn't know I was gonna do be a podcast with you. I don't make it easy on you. I walked right into some pretty easy situations. So it's just one of those things where hey, man, I can and now you're telling me stories about how you're just naturally a bully. I thought you like tried. No, I'm
just kidding. I'm not a big fan of bullies. Yeah. Actually, in high school there was this kid and just share a story with you, and they call them pat, which is very disrespectful because they were saying that they didn't know he's a boy or girl. Very disrespectful. Your name is Kevin, But anyway, he would wear sweatpants every day. Is this a glow? Up story, no glow up story, like an ugly duckling. I don't I don't know. No, he just wear sweappants every day.
He was a bigger kid, and he can't smell like sour milk a little bit. But he sat next to me in drafting class and I would talk to him, like, what's up, Kevin, And he was so guarded that he thought that anybody that would talk to him was just ready to pounce on him, you know, like, Hi, Kevin, punch him in the face. You know, I'm just saying like, but he was guarded
so like he wouldn't really trust you. And so then at lunch, I think it was a junior we friend Danny and I we'd see him like sitting by himself, and Danny was in the drafting class too, and I don't know, we just started instead of just going to the empty table like next to Kevin, we started just sitting next to Kevin. And then at first though he just thought, Oh, what are these guys doing coming over here?
They're going to draw attention to me. I don't want that. And but eventually I think he was kind of like, okay, cool, Like these dudes like they want to talk to me, and like by the end of the year or whatever, graduated, like I could walk down to Hobble like, what's up, Keviny, like hey Corey. You know, but people would make fun of them, pick on him and stuff. But yeah,
I didn't. We didn't really like that. But I mean, I guess I probably did earlier than that, when the peer pressure was kind of get me, and I just you know, didn't want them to make fun of me, so I wouldn't make fun of other people. So I probably did bully people, but not like bully people that just bad jokes. Yeah you know about that. Have you Have you seen a Nature documentary of like seeing them? Yeah, African Savannah, No, like where the lions live
in the Zebras, probably, yeah something. There's always that rhino that's not getting messed with, like off in the corner with like this bird that sits on his back. So that was me and my best friend in high school, middle school. Everybody messed with my little friend he got at the business. It only happened like once or twice, but that was it. And I was like, I didn't like to fight or anything. I've only been in a couple of fights in my entire life. But yeah, but you
foke up a car or wait, I'm so confused right now. I don't even understand that. But um no, I just always had a little I'm a big dude. I always had little friends. I have to get all up in it and somebody mess with them. You would, yeah, grow up in that face. Face. It's been kind of hard trying to find a like a nineteen twenty year old. How do you I don't even remember saying, I don't even know what's going on. So your mom listens,
that's what do you think about that? Because my mom listens to everyone. She didn't for a while when I put on a time out, she didn't like that. You can do that. Yeah, and now she's probably like, core you don't talk about that. Now. She might not be listening at this moment. Well, but she might. I think she kind of learned, like you know, and that's his Corey. He just talked the last smack and that is what it is. You might have to do that to my mom and she doesn't shape up. I see, we should have
her on because now because she doesn't have a chance to talk back. True, she has historically found ways to talk back about things and get on there and Karen the Facebook page and some there here. So did your mom, like when you were going through what you were going through, did your mom play a big role in you getting help services and all that and looking after you make sure you weren't dead? Yes and no. I hate when people say that. Yes and no. She played a big part in making sure
it wasn't dead. She made played a big part in making sure that my son was cared for when I couldn't do that. I always thank her for it. But she was also an enabler, and I think we've mentioned that on the podcast before, and I'm not the only one in the family she's been there for, so I really I have issues with my mom. I
love my mom. She's a really sweet lady. It's one of those things where it's it's not a perfect relationship, but like we had a podcast one time when I was just I wonder what would happen if I didn't have that enabling in my life, and if I would have figured it out sooner. I'll always kind of wonder, but it worked out so because I wonder how she enabled you though, that's a really good question. It's hard to explain,
does she did it hurt her families? When you say that, probably because you're not you're not meaning it too, You're just saying, like, hey, like looking back at it this, I wouldn't have been able to do this. I wouldn't been able to get that extra bottle. I wouldn't have been able to keep doing what I was doing if she wasn't following from
my shit, right, And that's kind of what I'm talking about. Like when I would lose a job, she would make sure that I was financially stable, and financially stable means I had money for booze, yeah, you know. And I think that she always made sure that I was never out on the street, which is great because I was able to make sure that
my son was never out on the street. But at the same time, I feel like if things were different and maybe I didn't have my son and my addiction brought me to where I was going to be out on the street, I might have found the motivation to do something about it soon. Yeah, I hit that rock bottom sooner. Yeah, instead of having a becaush family pillow, which is lucky, you know, it's it is, and
I'm glad it worked. Out there it because, like I said, my son's up involved and my mom was really big and making sure that that all stayed together. And I'll always appreciate her for that. But she must worked a lot of hours then, No, I mean not really, because I never see her at the family meeting here at the two seventeen Recovery Center. Oh, I'm kind of hard trying to find a like a nineteen I'm talking about. Can I find one of those at the family meeting? I don't
think so. But no, I don't think so. Um, yeah, it's funny, that's why she wants to go. It might be at the next one. I was talking to her about it recently. Um, so it's funny that you bring that out. And now it sucks because now I'm gonna think that me calling her out is the reason she's going to come or join on zoom. Well, she's ever gonna say something about it if you're here. Yeah, but like, okay, it's good I had to call you out. Cool. No, And my mom hasn't been on one either.
It's fine. Marnie's mother has and Martie's actually going to be talking at the next family the family peer support meeting, which is That's what I heard and Monday at five thirty. That was why I thought it was cool that my mom's gonna try to be there, because then give me Martie's mom. And yeah, they didn't want us to talk about it or motive or whatever. But if you have our two seventeen Recovery app, you can go to just any meeting and click it and it'll take you to the room that we're
gonna be in. So and I love to ask if we think that any of the people involved that with that meeting will listen. They don't. They don't. And that's the beauty of the podcast that nobody listens to is you can say whatever you want. Some people shout out to Iowa and Idaho. I have some fans in de GANI. I don't know who they are. The blog it Rhode Island. What's up Rhode Island? I got a listener in Rhode Island. It looks like it's not an island. H Maryland.
What's up New York City? You know New York City's listening in their recovery in New York City. That would be crazy. I wonder if it's as crazy as LA. I think it's different I've never been to either. Like LA was more again here's me. Here we go ripping on LA. I'm not talking about the puppy stuff, but the first meeting, I don't want to go there. It's one of my favorite things to poke actually about. It was it was my first meeting ever, and no one told me,
hey, this is how it works, this is this is it. But so when it was a speaker meeting and I was, no one told me, hey, this is something that they do on these days or whenever. So I go there thinking, okay, this is AA and it's like okay. So we go there and we listen to my talk and he was telling the story like he was a director or a writer, like he wrote this novel. And I'm like, man, I don't believe any of that stuff. And it was like he left a cliffhanger because they break in the middle
of it. And he's like, and then my kid walked in and the gun was on the table and it didn't have a safety on it. All right, let's break for about twenty minutes, get some coffee, and we'll be back here, all right, bro. I was like, you know, I gotta come back in. I got here the rest of this idiot. And then we went to another one and it was a speaker me again, you tell me. So we go there and this chick's up there and I didn't even want to go in. I'm like, nah, I've had
enough. This isn't for me. And they're like, no, you gotta come to this one too. So I go in and this chick's talking and she's just trauma queening it up about oh my god, I did this and I smoked weed. And I'm like, all right, something else, oh sh ever get by. But anyway, so it's her story. So she's just telling it and she gets done and people like stand up and they're clapping, you know, and and she's like questions. I'm like, oh,
okay, here we go. And the lady stands up. She's like, you know, i gotta say, this is the eighth time I've seen you. It gets better each time. Thank you so much. I'm like, wait, is this Leonard skinnerd We're seeing? Like what is going on? Like this is stupid. Then THETT guy said pretty much the same thing. He stead. I was like, man, I love seeing you. You know, I hear you're speaking. I come out and man, your story gets crazier and crazier. I'm like, well, because she's adding to it,
you know, like, of course it is. That's why she didn't tell you about the acid she did in the van, you know, because it made all the whole creepy duck chasing her until the ocean even even crazier or whatever it was. I don't even think it was that cool. It was like that stuff in my toe, and I realized I didn't want a trip on acid and more. And I'm like tripping and being an asked ortubent things woman. It's blond, and then nothing against blonds. I'm just saying
it was ridiculous. I was like, look, I'm I'm cool on some AA. And then my cousin took me to an AA meeting like after I got home, like year or two later, and he was telling me because I was trying to explain to him why I don't do AA, and he's
like, dude, like those are speaker meetings. That's not even the same as what an AA meeting is. I was like, okay, So they took me to one and I'm like, oh, this is an A. Yeah, this is way different than than those in California where I was listening to like Future Storytellers or whatever, like, yeah, anyway, what's up in New York. I don't know if your meetings are like that or not. Probably some I feel like they have really big pizzas. It's my point
of that their meetings just a slice. Taxi drivers. So you've been listening to I've been tasking you with episodes on the podcast. Listened to, Oh you were going there, and I asked you listen to one called Accents Detroit Bust Stop. It was like two different titles, and that was it didn't let Time, and I had both of those in it. Yeah, and we started it and I had listened to that one for just a minute as
I was driving to help. My buddy Scott started his podcast and I was laughing my ass off, like the first seven, eight, nine, ten minutes or whatever. We're doing these accents and Ryan Beckman was so ridiculous trying to do a French guy and like his it didn't matter what accent he did. He couldn't even get close, like you could tell him to an English accent, you know, like talk American. He'd be like, oh bird would like he would screw that up, like he could not do accents,
that's why we'd like to do them. And then Chris so his was deteriorating worse and worse, and and I go, this is turning to sound like Ozzy Osborne. And then he goes shit, and I'm like, at least he acknowledged that. Yeah, he's Chris is funny dude man, Like I miss him. I miss him being on the podcast sometimes and just hanging out with him. He was a very funny guy man and just going places. He lost a bet to me one time, and like that's the thing that
him and Ryan will lose best to me all the time. And then they were like, how did we even get into this bet? Like he lost a Super Bowl bet? Chris did, and He's like, I don't even watch football, how why what happened? I've been on a football game and I don't even care. I don't even watch it. This is stupid. As soon as somebody says bet around me, I'm just like no, no, I mean, I can see the twinkle in your eye going I can't wait to trick him into a bet. But if somebody says bet, I'm
like, yeah, nope, I'm good. I'm not about that. Yeah, because Ryan, he was like Green Bay's Golden super Bowl aside at you, they won't and if they didn't, he had to dye his hair. He had dark Harry, but he had to dye it blonde. And he had to do his facial hair too, which punk ass. He shaved all of his facial hair before. I was like, you can't do that, that's wrong, but he walked around gold hair. He didn't do it right, so it looks stupid, but whatever. He gets in a Packers fan.
And then Chris been on the Super Bowl with Ryan. I'm not even in these bets. This is the beautiful part of it. So Ryan had a bet about something and it was the Super Bowl that Mahomes came back and they beat San Francisco and through it and Chris was just like all beside himself. But his original thing was he had to go to the police station in Boyne City and ask where was their bus stop with gold paint around his face like he'd been huffing, and yeah, I was gonna record it the bushes
and Chris was like, no, man, they're gonna arrest me. I'm not doing it. They're gonna arrest me and like, Chris, you have to and he was about to, and then his therapist call him. He was like, do not do that. You guys would have the greatest TikTok ever. Do not make him do that. I was like, why he lost the bet and she's like, no, that's not what you need to do, and so okay, So we changed it up and I made him
wear a helmet. I heard something about the helmet. I remember that, yeah, And we have put stickers on it and all kinds of stuff. And he used to say, bullshit, ain't nothing or something like that. So I put that on and and I had some two seventeen stickers and it was like it was a baseball helmet, like a little batter's helmet. It was really small, and I think gossed out or something to see. He was trying to get that as a saying like, oh man, you gossed
out. But that was on there. And so he had to wear that to like five meetings or something the whole time into a meeting. So he wore I know he watched to Charlotte. I don't remember if we It seems like he worked to Point City once, but then COVID happened and shot us down. But that was pretty funny because people just looking at him, like, why is that dude wearing a base muhammet in here? It makes me realize that my days of stopping around the boy City area we're before yours,
which is weird. Yeah, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty mine was mine ended in twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen years was before mine. It's a little bit. Yeah, you would have You probably would have lost your shit if you would have showed him to two meeting I saw us. You'd have been like, not coming back to one of those anymore. Oh I
wasn't an alcoholic yet. Oh yeah, I mean it was, but you know, if you would have asked me, I would like, oh yeah, that would have been interesting to see if when you got into recovery, if you would have went to a meeting, or if if Justin would have went to a meeting, what they would have thought it would have been interesting? Like Adam, he got a chance to see that firsthand. I was
in treatment with him. Adam works or two seventeen recovery and just let you know that maybe it's ways so reserved he's recovery totally for free that you're gonna make him jump out, And he's like, if I stay back here, moving that far as only this, but if I come out this far, then moving that far as that. Well. I I get saying I got to work, and I walk and you guys are all having fun, laughing. Then I come in and it's like, scatter, but you didn't.
But I was like, okay, guys, like the fun ended already, Like you don't, I know, you don't throw scary boss vibes until you're angry. Like I don't want to say angry, I would say when I don't understand something, I'm frustrated. Yeah, I'm frustrated and I ask questions. I'm like, so, if we're gonna do this, you didn't do
that's me. And I was like I had to dodge a couple of times because I'm like, you're asking me questions, dodging a bullet about something that I wasn't actually a part of. I love it, and you're like, why does it? And like like I was there, I was like I was a spectator for a very small part of that situation. Actually should be getting panted on background, stay the trash out vacuum in yeah, you know, like, nope, I can't babysit people man cross hairs on men.
No, I don't get angry. I just ask questions, Just ask them asking question. Why is the toilet paper on the floor because it fell out of somebody's pants? I don't know. Did you find that too? M hm oh, because I found that before and I've cleaned it up and I'm like, wait a minute, who's the toilet paper dropper? Do you like it? When I come out and I'm like, who shit is on the toilet and you're like, well, don't have a DNA kit for that? Man, I'm not sure. Today I was like, well I was.
I don't know. Wasn't there yesterday? I wasn't there yesterday. Some hard hitting questions. But when he said that today, I was like, it's been like, oh, time for me to clean the twist, clean, the clean the bathroom. It's time. So they didn't have much to say about it. Yes, we can do for Marnie. Yeah, she's got to put up with all of us here. There's gloves, and there are
gloves. There was a another thing I wanted about to go back to the episodes of the podcast because Tyrone, that was the first time where I started playing those drops, and I think you heard Chris like laughing hysterically because those
are the first times he was hearing him. Because Chris and Tyrone were having a conversation and I was testing out a microphone and I was like just trucked it over that to them, and Tyrone just starts talking about how they had to go to this meeting and they had to walk across town and this an xt. They didn't have vehicles and there was no bus there and time Aroon was just he couldn't believe that point cit he didn't have a bus and so when he was like, man, well, Lisa Detroit, we got bus
stops, and that's when he did the first man she you know. And so that was like the first time we'd ever I'd ever played those on the podcast during that episode, and we used to walk around but ned Kris. Kris didn't even though I recorded it. So that's why he was like dying last. It was funny listening because every time he played it he laughed harder, Yeah, until it was like he couldn't even hold it together. He'd do it again and he'd be like, there it is. It's happening again.
Yeah, yeah, another one. I loved it The Dirty Man Show, which was a very long episode, and I started that and I was like, only got like a thirty minute drive. I can't really get into that one. Was that like and that's just his favorite episode? He says, So it was good. I don't know what was it about. I was working while I was listening to these, so I remember bits and pieces. But if you asked me to write a paper on it, that would
probably give you something that didn't have anything to do. Did you, for a b did you get something of recovery out of it? Or was it just like, hey, those guys are having fun in recovery. I mean there's that, So that's that. Just get around like minded. I was talking about somebody else today about it, get around like minded people and have fun. And I've been wanting, oh, here we go. I saw this scientific study recently. Okay, that's said when you're trying to change a
habit, I'll have to get all up in it. I've been working on that habit for a while. It can take two hundred or four hundred times of intentionally doing something a different way for you to change your habit. But if you do it while you're having fun, it can take as little as twenty times of it intentionally doing it a different way to grasp and hold onto that new habit. It's been kind of hard trying to find a like a nineteen twenty year old that would have done it right there. Those are some
good place drops, I must say. But anyway, yeah, that makes sense. And the same logic goes along with like if and I tell people this whole time, if you go to a meeting, get something out of it. Man, Like, when you leave the meeting and if you're smiling and you feel good, your brain has taken notes. And so the next time when something pops up in your head, you're first instinct is, man, I need to go get drunk. Eff it, Your first instinct is
I need to go hit a meeting. And before you know it, if you keep going to meet things and having fun and doing fun stuff like that will become a thing. And then it will happen and you were like, oh my god, like I just got in a fight with so and so, or I just lost my job or this or that, and the first thing is not going to be I need to go get drunk, it's gonna be. I need to go to a meeting. Yep. And that makes
total sense. So doing something when you're having fun. Yeah, if you don't do meetings, you can get all up in it or look for people a certain days. Oh at least she didn't stay younger. Oh yeah, just so. Yeah, So back to the college thing. I don't think I was even talking about people you were. I don't know you're talking about. You wanted to sell your fake ID. Oh you not to have a
fake ID? Why would I need? Yeah, they say you're in nineteen or twenty, and I don't drink the ID for anything except for getting pulled over. Yeah. So back to the college thing though, and which are typically nineteen to twenty year olds. Yeah, yeah, Like I bring it back for the original topic all the way around bad analogy the college thing?
Man, Like how that how that works though, is you know, the government getting money from you and then the one guy saying, you know, like hey, they only did that so that they could, you know, take the people's money and make money off it. And I believe that to be true. And my point to Norm on that whole situation was oh, that's right to use here. Yeah, as way like thirty minutes agoing to him on this, and I was saying, like, look, man,
it's not like the school's out money. You know, if if someone signs up for a class, they gets too alone. Whatever, school's getting paid. Man, they're not losing anything, and their inventory is nothing, you know, like what they're paying the teacher regardless. So you can't be like, oh, well, no, they had to add another student every time they add a student. Teachers not making an extra grand you know, so things like they're they're buying all the knowledges and right you know at the lower
to dump into. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not like, oh man, we just wasted twenty pieces of chicken, like damn it. Nope, there's not that. So like there's really no I mean, I'm not gonna say there's no need to pay back. I don't know. I'm just not in a hurry to there's there, And people are making new ways of doing it on colleges. Yeah, and to pass the test without in the class, not even look opening the book one time, write in the paper, not even had to do with the topic, and get to be come on,
bro, it's a scam people. Some people out there were like, no, it's not, and it's not if you don't make it a scam, Like if you're actually learning and doing your work and doing what you need to do, that's great. I'm just I'm just saying my experience with its
like, MS still a scam. It's just you use that scam very well because you can't pay that much money and not be a ski right, And then we'll tell them that in order to go to a good job, that don't have to do with us. No, you know, I mean there's different ways to learn things too nowadays. And I'm surprised people still go to school a really a lot of people are deciding not to. Yeah, and then that hurts the bottom line. They're like, oh, well, we'll
forgive that. Okay, I have to church more because there's less people from school and working at a nonprofit, like I have to pay like the bare minimum of whatever them stupid loan things are, and then after ten years it's gone. That's a long time. Are you talking about your own? Yeah, a brutal And I was like, you'll have that paid off in ten years, said the hell I will. I love getting those calls though,
especially the people. What's the real people you typically get on? Well, I gotta check my college account because it just reminded me that I got a letter in the mail the other day saying I don't notice. I was like, that's weird. That means they're not gonna talk to you again. Yeah, I would hold. It's a final notice. You ow it's eight hundred and forty dollars. I said, wait, huh. My understanding of how Cloud College works is you pay them and then they let you take the classes.
They don't let you take the classes if you owe them money. So how the F do I owe them one hundred and forty dollars? And why the F is this my final notice? Is my first notice? And then they're telling me you got to the end of June to pay this, otherwise it's gonna be eighteen hundred. I'm like, that's some that's some bad credit card scam and tend to collect the debt stuff like that's people making money. Though, hey man, it's really gonna pay them. I'm dispute it because
how the F would I owe them money? And I was like, yeah, but you failed the art class. I'm like me, failing a classes. I mean I have to pay them back money. Trust me, that's a fact. She's like, oh no, maybe someone like no, honey, like they wouldn't have let me take the class. That's my point. So and and that's that's part of the recovery, though, is figuring these things out. And if they say I owe them the money, then I'm gonna do my best to tell them I don't. And then that's that's what's
upped and what we where we go from there. I will keep you posted. But the old meat would have just took that final notice. I'm like, oh my god, no, oh owe them money too, Oh throw it away, throw it away, let's go get drunk. I don't have it. What am I supposed to do? I can't owe them eighteen hundred, don't I don't even have five dollars? How am I gonna pay one hundred and forty? The old me would have done what I said, like final notice. That means it's not gonna contact me anymore. Cool, Get
in line. I want some money. Get in line. Do you want some money? So do I? Eighty people back there taking dumb bar, who's gonna get it? The blog, the bogeen, how's your blog going anyway? You're you're enjoying it, That's what I mean. I am. It's a it's been a really good release. I'm not gonna even go there. I'm not gonna make any sexual reference to that. Um No, I've
really liked it. It has been a really good way to talk about just about anything in the actual terminology is fleeting right now, but I've gotten to talk about some really cool things but able to get in there. And it's just a really good I think so because Justin wrote his blogular day too, and he did the second one. I was so proud of him, and he was like, man, you and was a great blog to graphs Long.
I was like, dude, good job, man. And sometimes like the brain busy, the brain stump, you know, if it's something that you're not used to. Okay, here's here's my take on on on people and myself. I was saying about this other day because I don't like asking people for money. I'm horrible at it. I hate it makes me fel ncomfortable. I don't want to do it or run from it. I believe I could be good at it, but I don't really know. How to
do it. I don't know. People tell me, oh, it's not about asking them for money, it's about having them support you and be a part of your cause. Again, I don't know. You know, it's well, you believe in yourself, absolutely, you believe what you Yeah, and they're like, we can tell you're passionate, you know. Just I don't know. I'm uncomfortable. It makes me weird, you know. So I get it. That's what makes you weird. Yeah, it's asking for money. Oh I thought the list was never mind, that's it. It's
asking for money, mane So you go crazy. But so I get it where people are like in their uncomfortable zone, you know, Like you guys, you're probably more comfortable on the mic than the other guy is. Now. Maybe maybe Justin's a little bit comfortable too. He's done a few podcasts with me. But like when I have you guys voice your promos, it's
something that's not natural for you guys. And when I'm like trying to give you instructions, I'm like, smile, smile, you know, and you're just looking at me like, oh hey, man, like what is it? What do you guy going on? You got camera over there? I don't know, but Aames Mitchell Mitchell come to my meeting and where we kick people in the testicles every Sunday or say, you'd probably get people for that though, yeah, I mean people watch Jackats, well, yeah they do.
But you know, so to to say that, you know, some people aren't trying, you know, it is not is not right because people do try, but just because it doesn't just take off of them. So like you justin and writing blogs, you know, and Adam you know, and me, you know, I don't write blogs every day. It was like once a year, I think, as I thrown out there, but it just it just takes time. And do I know how to write a
blog? Yeah, why don't. I'm more lazy. But for someone who's never written one or doesn't really know that kind of world or how to express their feelings, it's gonna take them a little time and they're gonna feel very unsure about it, just like I would if I'm trying to act somebody. For some moneys, It's been a really cool tool for expressing myself. When I stepped out of substance use disorder to really true, I mean, I
guess disorder. Do you really get rid of it. Maybe I don't know, the jury's out on that, but anyway, when I stepped out of the active addiction and tried to remake my life, I didn't know. And this is how I said it to a friend the other day. I didn't know how to be me and a good person and at the same time,
because they're like you, you're really You're an introvert, aren't you? And I was like, wait, what, I've never been called that before, but I've never had that conversation since becoming sober, and I was like, you know, I can understand why you would say that, but it's really because I'm just like bottling up everything around people that I consider my friends. Now, if I let out everything that Mitchell really is, are you gonna
like him? Are you not gonna like him? How's it? So it's been very interesting and I've been able to kind of dig into that, and it's been a little deeper and a little deeper and a little deeper. Every single time I do a blog, I can just get to be goofy and which I like to do, just be kind of goofy, talk about birds and weird stuff. And well, it's been good and I've had a couple
of people that my thoughts are drifting. Um, A couple of people been You're like, hey, I really feel like I got to meet you a little a little deeper and understand who you are as a person more. And I was like, well, sorry, I wasn't able to do that in person. Thank you for reading my blog. So yeah, it's it's a different way to get some stuff out. And when you can harness that and use it, it's it's beautiful, you know. As another tool, I
want to have as many people write blogs as they want to. You know, maybe I should put a sign up front job posting blog writer pays, Recovery pays pays and recovery. Yeah, and Jesus from brine Crew, because like, we don't make money off it, but it is a tool, you know, Like we pay money for the website, we pay money to have the blog, and somebody wants to write a blog for free about their
recovery, about their life whatever. Hit me up, man. There's another thing I like about it, Like I like being on the pod asked with you and here and getting on with the other guys and stuff. But I'm not great with my words quickly and like speaking and I'm hearing it and I say certain words as filler words like um like it's my big one. I
hate listening to myself a podcast because I do that a lot. In a blog, I can take a second to think out the thought and then write out the whole thing and then proof read it, and then the other day I proof read it a second time. I went, oh, I missed even more. I've been doing that. Great. You don't really get to do that in podcasts. That's something I really like about the blog, and like especially too with the podcast. As you say something and it's recorded,
I'll have to get all up in it. It could be a button, could be a drop yeah for a long time tabulous, I don't know. I like it. I liked being your drop man. Yeah. But that's that's something that we can use to help move us forward. The podcast was something I used, you know. It was I was always trying to hide that I was in recovery, and when I started the podcast, there was
no hiding it. I just was like, I'm in recovery. And that felt so good and it was so freeing, and it was very powerful, and it gave me a little bit more control over my life and where I wanted it to go in recovery. So it added purpose to my life, which is something I think a lot of people need. I think it's really weird how that worked for me because I was hiding it for a really long time and I had just decided shortly before meeting you that I didn't want to
do well. I had known for a long time I didn't want to do that A very large influence in my life. Ex girlfriend Um convinced me it was bad to live that out loud. She was a big believer in the stigma. I believed her. You know, yeah, there are gonna be
people out there that don't get it, that don't understand. But I guarantee you they know somebody you know, and if they're out there making fun of him, then that's that's on them, you know if oh, uncle uncle Jeff over there, he's old, nasty alcohol like, Oh Well, what I'm saying is like I just opened up and then I met you and You're like, hey, this is how we really do it, and showed me this is you can have this life and let people know and enjoy it.
And I was like I knew it. I knew it. But this guy doesn't seem afraid about his recovery. Yeah, I knew I could do that too. I'm out the videos he makes, you know, like this dude, This dude don't care. He's got recovery on his shirt. He likes it. I got to you told the story is one of the before I've
even started working here or got on a podcast or anything. I think it was when you talked about me on a podcast for the first time, which will always be my favorite, because you like pretended to change my name, but you just said my actual name, and I was like, smooth, great, good job. But then you mentioned me. And then somebody that you guys met at like Chili's that saw your shirt and I was wearing one of my two seventeen recovery shirts and met my mom and son at Appleby's like
last week. Got into this really awesome conversation with the waitress there. I think her name is Megan. Megan, if you're listening, I hope your
friends doing well. I'll have to get all up in it. I don't think you not that you get at me slot in them dms no, but she asked for I had just gotten my cards with Adam's email on it, and she wanted to know if I had a card because she asked me what two seventeen recovery was, and well, first she asked me if I was, so I was like, yeah, it's like me too, and I'm like the biggest support for my neighbor who's you know, going through it, and um, it was a really cool conversation and I got to say,
hey, we do this, listen to the podcast and interact, write a blog, do all this stuff, get in contact with us, contact with us't even need help, and uh, it was pretty neat. Made me think of that time You're talking about Chili's Chick and I was like, I must be doing something right because I'm doing stuff like Corey and Marty talking about I felt kind of bad because I was in the meeting with the Gratitude meeting and I had a sharpie and I was like, I'm really proud of finally
having a card with my name on it. I'm gonna have these to give out and they said they're gonna get the ones that don't have adams name on it, So I'm just gonna take the sharpie until I get those ones. And like hey this much. Well, it's I don't have an email, and then you do all that and then very next morning, sorry about that? Is that whatever? I appreciate it? I really do. Yeah, I was so excited to have cards, even with Adams. I'm kind of
a big deal. Adam at two S two covers my complaint department. Yeah, so if you have a complaint or you just want to send Adam an email, do do so right now, we're gonna wrap this podcast up. You canna send Adam an email about I really I should have kept some of them so if anybody was like, I want to complain, I could be like, here's a card, send a time, like Adam, what's going on, buddy? Because we're getting all these ete emails. He's got this
cool meeting. We kind of fell on it because I wanted him to redo his voice part of his promo, which you can go listen to now before it's gone to seventeen recovery dot com slash meetings. But his new meeting actually I think already took it down anyway. His new meeting is Recovery Dads, which I think it's perfect. He is a father. That makes sense twice. But yeah, and he's pretty good at it, you know, somebody
did that with him twice. So he started this meeting and I think he's gonna have a lot to share and I think a lot of people are gonna be like, that's where I want to go. I want to go talk about this because that is an issue that a lot of people in recovery deal with, especially if you're you know, a dad obviously, and even if you're not, you can still show up. You know. It's more of like a men's meeting, but recovery dads, you know, like that.
That's something that I think will go over pretty well. And he has a flyer for it now. And the other day we were talking about him redoing his audio and that's where he was just like, man, I'm not good at this. I can't do this and every take just kind of sound with the same same you know, and I'm like, pretend you're a dinosaur or whatever else do and I'm like, well, we brought up some well beutron
that helped. I think that's illegal, but that's cool. Um, it's Adam at two seventeen recovery dot com if you want to set up a time to talk to him. With the police. That's really Mitch Mitchell, but spelled a D. But I tell him, I was like, man, maybe have go home and I have your daughter voice it with you, you know, his young daughter. I'm like, have her, you know, beyond it. And he's like that I heard I mention that he was excited
about it, and that's thought that was a cool idea. And I think his promo is going to be the probably the best one out of all of them, you know, because a has a little kid in it, which people love kids, most people, and it'll it'll sound cute and it'll sound like, man, like, that's what's up, you know, like that's what being in recovery is about getting your family back and being around your kids and being able to do that kind of thing. And I think that will
probably be a really good promo. So I'm looking forward to it. But it's like Adam said today, He's like, maybe that's a god thing. It's like absolutely it was, man. You know, the fact that you couldn't come in here and just rip a promo out, you know, you had to stumble and just say I can't do it. I can't do it. I don't know how I can't do it and to like flip that around and like, well we'll come up with this idea. And then had the
Recovery Dad meeting. You know it was called up and Adam, which looks funny. Yeah, it's funny, but it doesn't really tell you too much about it. You know what Recovery Dad's meeting on Sundays at ten am. You know what that's about. And you can get that on zoom. You got the two seventeen Recovery app. I'll be waiting for my royalties because the fire some icon resemble somebody very close to you right now, okay, yeah his fire. I put that together. It looks pretty cool. It's yeah,
Dad's Recovery Dad's Zoom. If you're not in Michigan on Traverse City, can't stop buy this the two Recovery Center, jump on zoom. Sunday's at ten Then if you want to come by, grab donuts whatever, Maybe you don't want you're not in the recovery, just come coming to look for some dads. I wish I wish there was a West Goll around free donuts. We would plug them, like, hey, go to West Goll get all your donuts. Like if they gave us donuts, you're already plugging you,
I know, because they're good and they're worth it. But there's just not any around here. West goll probably would, I know they would. Let's go to hook us up or just want to five leak it's so worth the drive. Well, somebody's coming in. If you're coming in to the two seventeen Recovery Center for Sunday mileage every Saturday morning, do you pick up oh your Sunday We're not doing it for Adam. He can get his own five
flake donuts. Yeah, just let us know, or if you know a place that would like to donate donuts, but we really do need someplace like that though. What if okay, I'm gonna rabbit trail here. What if you found the one West Go that does the fresh donuts and they're like that hub of West Gos where they make all the donuts and the other ones that kind of like send them out to them. Because I've found that with my little grocery store chain that I like to get donuts from. This one location
is amazing donuts every day. The other ones are like they got the donuts from the good store the day before. It's disappointing. I think you're you're plugging an entire business and it might just be that one place. They have several I think that some of them, I want to say, the one in Coloma makes their own or the one in I want to lead, some of them might just make their own Mitch, Okay, that's possible. I mean it is hard apparently for some companies. And I was ragging on what's
the name of that place down the street. I don't remember it. I almost said it wrong, Potters Potters. Yeah, I was writing on them. But I think I just got COVID donuts because I went there a couple of times after and they were they were just fine. Yeah, the ones that you got to show up My Tom's Donuts were really nice looking. Yeah, they were good. So I take all that COVID stuff back or like, no, I don't, because it happened and they were horrible donuts.
But the last few times I went there they were good. But now I'm trying not to eat donuts. So well, now you know, if you put COVID in your donuts, they're gonna suck. Yeah, unless they're West Co Donuts, and I'll eat those all day. Well, I don't think they put COVID in their donuts. It sounds like a thing the Potters will do. I wouldn't think they would do that. I don't think anybody would
do that. But it was when COVID was happening, and then you made it sound like they had COVID in their donuts, and then it made them worse. And no, they don't put that in their donuts anymore. No, that's the Chinese people, My Chinese people, I mean China. We're putting COVID and ice cream. Just what are they there? I should have told Justin that I kept my they were coming after me because I had talked shit about them, and so then they started putting an ice cream because they
were coming after me. I kept my positive COVID tests around that time to use as a weapon if I needed too. He came at me to be like whoa, whoa, whoa, Oh step back, hold on slow today, Oh man crazy. I didn't make that up, though. That's gonna do it for today's episode to seventeen Recovery dot com. It's their website. Check out more about Mitchell his blog, Justin his Fabulous meeting on Thursday, Adam his Sunday meetings ten am Recovery Dad, and you can watch videos learn
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