This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast with Corey Winfield. Yeah, it's hard right now, It's tough. It sucks. You want to call a hole and die. But this could be the best thing that's ever happened to you. Justin Burke, then we actually take better care of her than our plants. Are you're talking about Susan. You're back on that. Yeah, And Mitchell old Brian, I watered all of the plants, all of them. It is the eighth of April twenty twenty four. My name is Cory Winfield,
and this is the two seventeen Recovery podcasts with Justin Berg. What up, Mitchell O'Brien. He we didn't work today, boys woo. Yeah, oh, we didn't work today. Hard work. Yeah. We were out in what they call the pines. And if you're not familiar with the pines here in Traverse City, the most or many of the unhow in Traverse City made their way to the pines and they camp there and they live there, even though some people in the city they're like, you can't do that because
it's so I legal to camp in the city permit or something. I'm just on the human rights Commission. I don't know, but I'm actually gotta go there in like thirty minutes, but I'll ax them. But anyway, they don't have access to proper ways to dispose of their trash sometimes, and some people care, some people don't. There's criminals out there, there's people that are just hard on their luck out there. You know, it's a mixture.
There's people who need mental health serious like valuation like help, and there's people who need and I say need because probably would their life would be better if they maybe went to treatment. But you can't make people go to treatment that You're just gonna take beds from people who actually are trying their hardest to
get clean and sober. So you can't just start throwing people in there, you know, because I've read people's stuff online, which is it's sad and hilarious at the same time, and they're's like, well, why don't we just put all these people in treatment? Just because they have a drug problem doesn't mean they want to go to treatment. Some people are living their best life out there, right, you know, like a pirate. That it is sad, and that's it makes me angry because I know what addiction's like
and I know, if I have one drink today, I'm gone. There's no coming back. And that's why I don't take a drink today. But you get somebody out there, and there's trickery, there's thievery. They're praying that people are down on their luck, and they're giving them drugs and they're keeping them fed with this horrible lifestyle. And once you get into that mindset of no hope, it's hard to come back from that. Man, and you add the drugs to it and everything else that's going on in this crazy
world, it's just not fair to those people. So I'm not a big fan of that. And I think, you know, just get the criminals out of there, and if there's children living out there, we should probably you'll get them out of there. I mean, there's, like I said, criminals out there. There's no kids out there. Yeah, there's no myth out there either, Yeah, there is. There's tons of it. And that's that's the problem I have with it. You know, we met
a guy today and he seemed like a pretty good guy. He was yelling at me for taking pictures and stuff, which I posted a video of our excursion out there today. It's on our Facebook. It's on two seventeen recovery dot Com. I don't have it on an app yet, but it's pretty much everywhere. You can kind of see what we did and what we're doing out there. And I didn't mean to make it look like we did all
the work, because we did barely any of it. But I wanted to tell the stories of the people who did you know, the Traverse City qRT team, the Traverse City Police Department was out there, Catholic Human Services, Diction Treatment Services, Save Harbor, Safe Harburg, Harbor, Goodwill in there out there. But like I want to say, like all these people that they just just bang up job man and they stepped up, and you have to realize that there are good people out there that just fall on hard times.
And the guy we were talking to, he did not like people just throwing their trash everywhere. It pissed him off, yeah, you know, and he was actually mad that I wasn't taking pictures of that. He was like, you got to tell people what's going on out here. I was like, I will, but my run in with people out there is none of them want to talk. But he did, and I'm actually gonna maybe
that'll be the start of my documentary about it. I don't know, but I'm definitely gonna get with him and interview him and record him and stuff. And he had two crazy dogs. They were in heat, and the whole time trying to talk to him, it was like just trying to hold their leashes as far as like away. Yeah, and that dog was still trying to get a the other one because you know it is and the female dog,
she was in heat. He said, he just kept throwing that ass and then the other dog's face and the other dog was like hump on the ground. He's like, I gotta get someone looking at it, looking at us, like like you see what I deal with? Yeah, this is this is horrible. Yeah. But we went out there and it was I don't want to say enlightening, but I mean it kind of was in a way because to actually see how our homeless live and everything else, that's enlightening,
you know. I mean most people want to think about what would be out there, you know, and there's everything out there but a couch, yeah, or kitchen sink. Yeah. I don't know if I saw the kitchen sink, I'm not sure, but yeah, there's there's tons of stuff out there and a lot of junk, a lot of When I flew the drone over, I did see a stroller, like and that was in the back where that one guy was like, don't go past this because that's where
the you know, the real bad stuff happens out there. Don't go out there. Yeah, that's yeah. And there's like twenty bikes, a bunch of stolen stuff, I'm sure, and then a baby stroller and I was like, oh dear, there's a lawmower in the mix. Yeah, yeah, I was sure. I'm not sure who was mowing what out there, but yeah, because there's no grass out there to be mowed by anything. This a lot of stuff didn't make sense. But in a perfect world,
you know, we'd have places for all these people. And like I said, you know the mental health issues, the substance use disorder that's going on out there, but some of the people don't want help. And I say that now because if you'd asked me when I was in my active addiction to why I want I mean I did, though well, and I didn't until my liver stopped and my liver shut down and kenney shut down. Then I was like, all right, well maybe I should probably get some help.
But up until then, there's no way in hell you could have made me stop drinking. Right, it's not an alcoholic not gonna happen to me. For me, I mean, I didn't realize I had a problem till about a year before I actually got arrested. You know, my whole life. I'm like, I ain't got no problem. What are you guys talking about? Yeah, I can relate to that. The whole life is falling apart. And I'm like, you're talking about every drinks right, smokes a little
crack on the weekends. It's all right, I'm doing all the time, right, you know, well the drinking I do. But now why I'm driving, right, I drink afterwork, I smoke on the weekends. Yeah, and that's why I could I reward myself. It makes sense to me exactly. So it's not that they don't want it, but I just think that they could live much were I know for a fact that they could live
much more productive lifestyle. But once you get that first in you and then you get the hope out the window, and everything's going against you and you just see the same stuff every day. You know, and then there's people out there that they love it, like they're living their best life. And I even said that to the guy and he's like, oh, yeah, absolutely. It's like they don't want a house, they don't want a job, they want to do just what they're doing. And we seen some pretty
uh well built, elaborate, yeah, elaborate carp houses there were. I mean I was actually impressed. Flos mm hmm, yeah, some of it was was pretty nice, and it was like, dang, I would like to say that after seeing the video that you made, I feel like it totally eclipsed the positivity that it's happening out there in the pines. Explain that the whole reason we went out there was just to you know, document the good that's happening out there too, and I just felt like the coverage totally
eclipsed what was happening and nothing, absolutely nothing. We need a rolling drummer. There we go. I can find it, I can find it. Yeah, good one match. We all got a Yeah. We did look at the eclipse today too. Yeah, yeah, a couple of good pictures of it. Yeah. I think it's BS. I think it's some Obama
made up so yeah, Trump's and Biden working together. It's conspiracy because no, seriously, it all started with my drone because I took my drone out to the pines, which I before we left, I got on this site called a loft which you go on there and then you get approval from the FAA. Yeah, boy right here, got approval from the FAA to fly my drone in that zone till eleven thirty am. We get out there, it's nine fifteen. Take the drone up, hit a wall like you should,
just won't go anymore. It's like restricted zone. Some bullshit. It's Trump and it's Biden, they're working together. They get this whole conspiracy about this eclipse and the Yep, it's Obama's fault too. And it starts with a drone and they're gonna take my guns. It's their their death Star guns they have out thereon Star and they're like, oh, no, world, this is accident. We can't maneuver it away. What are we going to do. Let's just tell them it's a in eclipse. We'll get everybody excited.
Really, Aliens coming to take their their Earth back, to get their golden minerals, Indians, I think, but I don't think. No, that's one of the aliens. They got different tribes of aliens that they yeah, they're cool people, but they you know, they're just like us, but as aliens. That sounds like getting close. You getting close to saying it, Mitch. But I almost got beat up by this kid for snoring. But I was like four times the size, So I mean, yeah,
mm hmmm. That was during the eclipse. Get kind of dark out there. I was like, time to go home already. Well, I looked out there and you were like, that's pain. It was easier just to look them all. It's like, okay, I shumember doing that. Now mess it. You took your sunglasses and you took your phone behind it, and you kind of use that as like a screen, which worked out pretty well. So I was playing with the exposure on the the iPhone because
we were iPhone fifteen. Damn yeh promax Bamba out of control, I know. But anyway, it got a pretty good picture. But then I was like, I wonder if I just got it like it's a little bit more like coverage on there. So then I put my sunglasses on there, and I don't know if it's because maybe being polarized helped. I don't really think it was like this is a little bit of tent, and then it ended
up doing a pretty pretty decent picture at the end. At the beginning, like when it wasn't covered as much the moon or whatever dust star over the squatch Aton sun, I didn't make much of a difference, but it's more moon covered the sun and started to started look pretty good. So yeah, yeah, I posted those online. So dude that my son was God Like. They're like, he she that shouldn't have happened. Like, I don't know how, you know what I mean, like get it Adam in the
back. Well, thanks Adam. We'll get back to you on that point. But it was confusing for me the whole because I was taking my phone and like doing the selfie, so it would shoot past me and the sun was behind me and it looked just like the sun showed it to Justin said look Justice, like, yeah, that was my first picture. When you guys are like when I go out there and I'm trying to see it and use your iPhone and I put my iPhone in it, I'm like, looks
just like the sun. I was like, I can see more of the eclipse just by looking at it, which you're not supposed to do. So I permanently damaged my say that, don't make a public Now the insurance is going to skyrocket for us. That's here, It's one of the truths. Well, I wonder we go back to Adams point. Uh. I wonder if there are glasses, because when you put the glasses in the UV whatever it is, and you can see different things. Right, what if there
were glasses where we could see ghosts? There's a story what about the original but you know, like a military night vision the green light. Yeah, so originally it wasn't that, and I don't have all the details on it, but this was back in I think Vietnam and they had a new night vision out. Well, there are these like helicopters flying like a whole bunch of them for this mission. And this one guy had a gun on the side just starts carolling ham on something, freaking out like they're over here.
They're like, what are you talking about? And it's like the demons are flying? And then another airplane guy earn from another helicopter starts shooting in the same direction. And then they're on the radio and like a whole bunch of them, and so they were seeing like these strange flying creatures, and then all of a sudden the government made those illegal and came out with these green light different like what they use now is when they came out with that technology.
Now, there's also a story that the chemical used inside of those was leaking out and was highly toxic, But that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. They don't want us to know that we have visual technology that can see behind the field. If you were the guy that's like ten steps ahead of the president, you know, because president people are like, oh he knows, he doesn't If you were that guy, the real guy in charge, and you're like, hey, I got these glasses, now we can
see that people. Would you release that to the public? You probably just put a cap in my ass, all right, got rid of that. Nothing to see here, folks. Yes, this is what they do about you, justin if you're the head guy in charge, would would you would you release the glasses to the peoples? Yeah? Sure? As a training thing. What it would look like for people you drink kool aid because they
want to die and cast the hayley'st commet across the universe. You're gonna give those people the glasses, These preacher people who marry like eighty five wives and get everybody to kill themselves and give them the money. You're gonna have those Let those people have control of glasses that you can see that people. You see you cut me off, I said I would allow them. So you're gonna underneath the controlled tests of h environment, so that way people could see
what it was like. He was meth and see shadow people. You ever seen shadow people? It was detoxing my ghost hunt once or something. I don't know. I've seen shadow people wide awake. I mean I have. I saw a lot back when I was detaxing with drolling. That's called illucinations. Well is it? Yeah, you saw a Brady Bunch in my house. See that's alcoholic d typing. But I knew it wasn't there. I knew it was fake. Oh, but when you're in month, you're convinced
it's real. Yeah. I don't have any experience with that. I have lots of experience with that. I'm sorry. Just so you can help people one day with your story. Yeah, along the glasses story, and you brought up the president, so Jimmy Carter one of his biggest things because UFOs were like a big thing about that they won't show him anything. Well, his whole thing was, when I get into presidency, I'm going to have
them disclosed everything, damn. And then he told him he became the president, and then he just brought him this file and nobody knows what it says with him and the people that gave it to him, but they brought him this file and he looked at it and he cried for forty five minutes. And then immediately after that was like, Nope, we're not doing the disclosure thing anymore. He's still alive to McCarter, right, Yeah, he's like
on his deathbed though, in hospice or something. Yeah, something like that should reach out and get him on the show. Yeah, he was building houses for I think what is that habitat for humanity? Until he was like in the nineties or something like that. I think you only had to do like once they once you get a house from it, you only got to do so much work back. So I don't know why he would do that
so much. And I'm saying me on that lifetime presidential houses, Ye, me too, right, I was born with mine, but I'm but I can identify it now. Yeah, exactly to be fun. Well, someone I know it had a pretty good idea about people who were unhoused or whatever. If you, let's just say you ran a campground, you're gonna need people to mow the yard, to take people's money and whatever. So like, why couldn't you just open up a campground and be like, look,
these five lots you can live here or how are many? And it's cool, but you got to do the trash pickup, You have to clean the pool, You have to like give them duties to do around there all year and then in the winter when people aren't there, Okay, your job is to make sure this is closed up or I don't know, like it doesn't that seem like a pretty good idea. Well, I think they try that
during COVID out in California. Bring up bullsh and with the homeless and they were latinum lived there for free and everything, and all they did was trash. Well, this isn't rent free. This is like you have to you have to clean up your space, like you actually have people keeping you. Well, I don't want to do it. Well, boom, you're gone,
like pay your way. And then again, I think a lot of people are on hard times, you know, and with the property tax going on, Like dude, Michigan has one of the shadiest freaking property tax ever. And I don't know if a lot of people know about it or not, but it is horrible. And the way they can just raise your junk whatever they want pretty much. Oh there's a certain amount, no they they they'll fucking whatever, They'll do whatever, and it's caused people to be homeless.
Is straight up. I don't want just anybody raising my junk. M m m. That's why I don't want to own home. I never had to prey property tax. Hm. Well they still jack up the rent. Where do you think who do you think pays that power property tax when you rent? Yeah? Why do you think it goes another way bucks every month or every year? Yeah, that's why. But they uh, I don't know. But anyway, it back to my point is the campground thing.
These people they work there, it's part of their job to keep it up because like that one dude that we met today would fet that bell perfectly, he would love it. He'd have his dogs out there a whole breeding program. Yep, you get him myself a little job. He'd have a fence, keep his dogs in. It's good to go. What's wrong with that? That's a pretty good idea. And then the other people that are out there doing drugs or whatever, they wouldn't be there because they actually a have
to work and they wouldn't want to do that, you know. But here's an opportunity for somebody to get back on their feet in some kind of way, at least in a living environment. And they not that they'd have to put in forty hours a week, but hey, here's your chore. Here's what you have to do every night. I don't care if you're tired. Ten o'clock. You go around and pick up everybody's trash, eight am whatever. You know, Like, that's your chore. That's what you have to
do. If you can't do that, you don't live here. I think that goes back to something you've said about people in recovery too, because if you treat them like children, we're going to act like children. Treat them like adults, they're going to act like adults. To give them some adult responsibilities. Yeah, and most of them that are on the hard luck times like they would welcome that in a heartbeat. They were like, oh my
god, that's awesome. I'll do it twice a day. We're even the people out there, you know, to go to the campsites that look like hell and be like, you guys are out of here. We're coming in. We got a truck right here. We're throwing all your stuff in the truck. We're taking you to jail. It's illegal camp here. Anyways, you guys ain't keeping the property clean. Then where they going to go? Justin to jail? Hmmm, No, I don't know's I don't think that's
a great idea. But I gotta pay for them to live. You're paying for whatever somebody's in the jail or not. They're putting somebody in that room for something. But the problem I think that you know, they could go through or maybe we should ask them why they don't with drug dogs to the part where they know there's drugs. You know? Is it because I don't know, you know, like have a meth sniffing dog. That would be nuts, wouldn't it. M hm, got the whole wrong stuff, probably
have probably have a stroke'll be bad. It'd be like this way that way. Damn it, this is the eighth tent you've looked in and nothing in here no more. It'd be like, we want some more. Where's that? Where's that? Where's that? Where's that? Run were? But no, if they went through there was some drunk dog. I mean, just clean up the crime in that, you know, But for the for the person that's out there, just hard on luck man. I think that that
would be a great idea. And I wonder how much campground campsite does cost because sitting there like some rually can only camp at one site for like two weeks and you gotta move over. It depends on the campground, state campgrounds. Some some are a week, some are two weeks. We should do that, we should. You know that guy we talked to you today was Dustin. Yeah, we should get a hold of him and then make him do like podcast interviews with local campers every week, and then we could play
it on the podcast. Yeah, that's what he has to do for us, and then we get it sponsored by a pizza place, Chinese pizza that was all also Chinese pizza. About an hour ago, I was saying Chinese cheese, but that that would be a good idea, and then he could, you know, do the Chinese pizza report from the whatever campground when we get a little thing at Traverse City. Though, I bet they got some
boogie prices on those campgrounds. I haven't. I haven't run into campground in in like a decade, and most of them don't allow tents anymore, don't. There are r V spots. Well, there's a lot of army spots, but there's like the State Campground still have like in the Rusty campground and interlocking. I don't know about the one over by the bay. They still have places where you can, you know, put your tents up and uh three nights. I paid like twenty six bucks. Oh that's pretty good.
But that is a rustic campground. So like your amenities was a port pty. Nice one was better than the log in the woods. Well don't right? You know, well, I have to wrap this podcast up, you gentlemen. I just wanted to come in and do a little something. It was five years ago, two days ago I did the first podcast, so to seventeen recoveries. So finally the five year mark with the podcast asked, so that was kind of a big deal. Nice, it's pretty cool,
but we'll talk more about that next time. So I'm in the next episode. Yeah, the next episode later. Oh bye, oh us up kicked out. Bye. Thanks for listening to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. We hope you come back for our next episode.