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Alright everyone, on this episode of 185 Miles South, we are trying to document, I don't want to say the dark years because that could be disrespectful to people that it was like important to them, right? But we'll say the dark years in terms of information being out there. And show locations. Yeah, well that's what we'll get into on all that. So what we want to do is we want to nail down what was happening in the Nardcore scene in Between 1987 and 1992.
So from doing a bunch of interviews with people, what I've pieced together so far is basically around 87, this is when, and again, you guys jump in and correct me if I'm wrong. Actually, let me introduce. Right now we got Stu from Omega Point, and we got the legend Joe Revis from Burning Dog, Out of Trust, Dignity. Dignity. Yeah. Yeah. Every band. Ill Repute. Vermicious Knives. Yeah, Ill Repute. Vermicious Knives. Vermicious Knives. Yeah, but anyway, so. Spontaneous mental confusion.
How about that? Okay. He's my favorite. Okay, so in 87, Ill Repute goes on hiatus. Both Carl and Tony have kids, I believe. Yeah. Okay. Stalling 13 is going metal. And, like, some people are leaving the band. I think it goes down to just Ron... and Larry. Yeah. Okay. Um, Dr. No is raging, but it's full on metal. This, this Island Earth is 86. So 87, they're getting ready to do records and flesh records and flesh. The metal blade record. Yes. Is that era?
And then, uh, aggression is like, I don't know. We don't know exactly what year they moved to Colorado, but they moved to Colorado right around this time. Right around that. And we're talking the whole band, the whole band. Yeah. Yeah. The band goes to Colorado.
Wow.
So Denver. Yeah. And so, and then also like, um, the Oxford community center like stops doing shows, um, and just shows get more and more sporadic. So what we're going to do on this episode is we're going to call a bunch of people that were around during the time. And we have Joe Rivas here. Um, and we're going to try to piece together like this, this piece of history, like in these years. And also, okay. So I want to talk about the tail end coming out of it.
Um, again, from interviewing and talking to everyone, which is like, um, The purpose of this podcast is like, you know, like nailing down some history and also having fun. Okay. So coming out of it, we know that by late 91, there's shows again, inventor at the Mayfair theater, like semi regularly and mugs and mugs. Okay. So we're out of it by then. So we're saying sometime in 87 to late 91 or 92. So it's a four year stretch of it. It being like, Not a lot of consistent shows.
Ish. Ish. So that's what we're going to narrow down? Well, for people that still live in the area and probably are around my age, where are these locations? Because I know Mog's is... It's Nickel Bees. Yeah, Nickel Bees or Hollywood Fitness, which is right by... The Goodwill on Main Street. It's upstairs from the Goodwill. Right, upstairs from the Goodwill on Main Street. That's Moggs. Okay. Where was Mayfair? The Mayfair Theater was on the corner of... Oh, shit. It's just a little...
It's a little west of the Ventura Theater. Ash and Santa Clara. Okay. It's an apartment building now. And it was the Pussycat Theater. Yeah, I was going to mention that. In the 70s and early 80s. It was a porn theater. And it was a Mayfair Theater and then called the Insomniac? Well, it was the Insomniac first because it was a coffee shop in a different location. Oh, yeah. And then they took over that building and kept the coffee shop going there. But it just kind of became the Mayfair.
Because it was the Mayfair Theater in the 20s or whenever that thing was built. So that's whatever they just called it. Cool. Or they called it the Pussycat Theater, one or the other. No effects played there. No effects played there. Green Day played there. A lot of big bands. The Brandon Cruz Band played there. Good. There's a Pennywise video.
What?
On that VHS they did in the 90s? Yeah, that's got a big... There's a bunch of skate... We built a skate ramp in the middle of the floor. Oh, sick. And people were skating. And that was actually a coup d'etat show that we got Pennywise to open. Well, they didn't open. They were like the supporting act. Because nobody knew who they were yet. Yeah, for coup d'etat. Oh, shit. I'll probably talk about that later. Yeah, so... I just want to throw it out.
Eddie was doing shows starting in 89 at the El Tapatio and the El Fiesta. Okay. But those were few and far between. Okay. And when you say few and far between, you mean? Once every couple months. That's still pretty good. If you're getting shows every couple months. Yeah. Which NoFX played there as well. And big shows, yeah. And Jawbreaker. So I think that's... That Jawbreaker, Jawbox show with Foody. Or is that another show? That's a different show.
Okay. I think Joe should have jumped in earlier because now I think everything I said was wrong. No, no, no. You're right because it was sparse. Yeah, but it's Eddie. And there were very, very, very few bands here. Okay. But that's the other catch. Or at least playing punk rock. Yeah. Or hardcore. Yeah. Well, we're going to get into it all. this episode. Let's hit it. Hold on to your butts. Hold on to your tuchus. Alright, what do you guys think? Should we call Davi first?
Yeah, I'm thinking that. See ya. This is Davi. This is Davi. Hey, Davi. Cespi Gorilla. You're on the pod with me. I'm Zach. We got Stu from Omega Point. And we have the legend, your younger brother, Joe Rivas. Hi. Yeah, here's the legend. Hi, Joe. What's going on, boys? What's happening? First off, we're going to start this legend thing, right? We're going to stop this right now. All right. These guys... that we're going to call here tonight, including my brother here, are the legends to me.
Okay. Sick. I'm just straightening history out right now. Well, there can be more than one legend. Okay, fuck. Because Jeff Hanneman is a legend, and so is Tony Iommi. Yeah. So, come on. Davi, who's more handsome, John Fanaf or Joe Revis? Fanaf. I'm going to say Fanaf. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, 1984 John Fanaf, Joe Revis? I think we should go Prime versus Prime, which is Joe Revis 2019, and I don't know what John Fanaf's Prime was. He looks pretty good still.
I have a photo of him from, like, 91. My baby brother's a good-looking motherfucker, but John Fanaf. He's the captain of the ship. Yeah, yeah. Yeah? He's the pirate captain. Yeah? He's the best looking Narco guy ever, huh? Yeah. It's been settled? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe Scotty. Scott Morris. Big bad voodoo daddy. Base player in False Confession. Okay. Oh, shit. And who's the ugliest guy in NARN? How much time you got, buddy? We won't go there. We won't go there. We won't go there.
Um... All right, so Joe, let's introduce Davi. Davi, Davi Rivas, he is my older brother by 14 months. We're super close. We're still super close. Our dad started us playing music pretty young. He took it way more serious than I did earlier than I did. um and he started playing in a band um bsod was 85 stuff 80 uh 80 87 probably 86 87 86 okay we'll say 86 um They're looking at this chart that I made. Yeah, so let's jump in because this is crazy. 85 to 87. Yeah, but we just got to set straight.
It's 86 to 87. Oh, shit. All right. So the crazy thing about this band is all these dudes are still around, right? So if Bad Sense of Direction, B.S.O.D., is 86 to 87, you still have Rob Calvert. He comes around, goes to shows. You have the singer Clinch Fist. P.E.K.K.A., Drummer of Clinchfist. Saw him the other night. Yeah. And, yeah, I saw him the other night. Not the drummer of Clinchfist. Donovan's the drummer. Donovan's the drummer. He was the drummer.
He was the drummer of F.A.Y. F.A.Y., my bad. And Thaw Festival and tons of other bands. Yeah. Boilerman. Yeah. His discography made it two pages. Yeah. Yeah. Same with Davi's. And then we got Forrest also, still around in Outer Trust. And Davi. whose fucking discography is insane. Yeah, so let's talk about... Bad Sense of Direction is your first band. So, yeah. And how old are you when you start? How old are you in 1986? 86, I'm 16. Okay. So, yeah. In high school... All of us kind of...
Got turned on to the scene by older guys in our orbit. I grew up with a guy named Tracy Brooks, who had an older cousin, David Brooks, who was in with all the Wainimi crowd. I was in the scouting program when I was a teenager. And through scouting, I hooked up with a guy named Charlie Furness. Chuck Furness. And he was down with all those old-school, ill-repute crowd from Fort Rainey. And he'd turn me on to tape. Ill-repute, aggression, the big four, that kind of stuff.
And that's how we all kind of got started. And then sometime... I don't know, around 86 or so, the South Oxnard crew, me and my brother, the Winstead, hooked up with Pika and Forrest. And that Wainimi crew, yeah. Yeah, that Wainimi crew. Justin, Floyd, yeah, all those guys. And I remember that... We were rolling around in Tracy's truck, and that's like the first time we met Pika and Forrest, too.
And Forrest and I were sitting in the back of the truck, and Pika was in the cab with Tracy and somebody else. And next thing I know, we're at Mike Pepper's house, and someone hands me a bass. And I've been playing guitar and playing bass in band in junior high school. I think we were playing like Intense Energy or something like that. And next thing I know, we're playing the whole damn Don't Be Mistaken album. And me, Pico, Rob, and Forrest, they kind of just settled.
That was like a unit right there. That's sick. Yeah, and that's the band. Yeah, yeah. 87, something like that. I guess that's how we all kicked off. Cool. And then do you remember your first show or any of the first early shows? We played... once, once we got together, we're kind of like, you know, we had, we had another, another guitar player who's, who's jamming with us, Mike Pepper.
Um, and we played a couple of parties, a couple of practice parties, you know, people come over and watch this jam and shit, you know, and bring beer and whatever. Yeah. Um, but the first like major, major thing that we did as, as a unit was, was the, the Big Bad Simone Garage Party in Port Hueneme. Okay.
Um,
It was supposed to be BSOD, another band from Wainimi called Disordered Youth, DY. And we invited out some guys from Ventura, Leviticus and Irony. And there were some other punk hardcore bands playing, you know, in the area at the time. And it was a big, big monster show at Pika's grandma's house in her garage. Yeah. Yeah. He kind of lived in the garage. Are you doing open door garage or everyone inside it? Closed door. Everyone inside. It's Wainimi. We've got to watch out.
There was a side normal door to walk through. So people are spilling out to the backyard. To the front yard. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, big party. Big party. All the Wainimi guys show up. A bunch of Samoans show up. We were down with some Piru blood. They showed up. And then all the Ventura guys showed up. We kind of had like a tentative connection with those guys. John Pacote, Pat Pacote, Scotty Porcho, Wes Miller, Aaron Abel, of course.
You know, friends we knew from shows or mutual girlfriends or whatever, you know. Yeah. Sled these guys out and it was kind of like a big deal.
You know, it was like everybody was at this garage party yeah so it's a ranger so you think like what 80 people 60 people 80 100 I don't know so many people so small people were in the rafters like sitting up I was sitting up in the rafters yeah it was ridiculously packed and then tons of people outside too that couldn't get inside yeah so are all four bands able to play No Cops Come no no not even in addition to all those people We had another friend named Dave Jessen, a former member of AFU,
who briefly played guitar in Aggression, and he brought Henry and Mark with him. And we were playing a couple of Aggression covers, and so that's kind of weird. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. We kind of thought they would show up at... because I guess Henry's mother shared a fence with Forrest's backyard, something like that. Whatever. So there's all kinds of people there, and it was kind of a tense situation because... I don't know.
It was like an amalgamation of everything that Oxnard and Ventura have to offer, you know what I mean, as far as people going to shows. And... Our band, DOSOD, we played a really, really fat set, six, seven songs, and it was lightning speed, and it was great. What did you guys sound like? Influence-wise, I'd say. Oh... A lot... I guess... Kind of like a cross between aggression and ill repute. Okay, yeah.
We were straight... off-guard waiting on a park you know so you're fucking awesome basically yeah yeah fast and aggressive and pissed yeah we never recorded anything never there was there was a videotape around for a while but I think I got dubbed over sick band name though so we play and it was great and it was like for me is a great moment We play our first song, I think it was a song we had called Bad Individual, you know, typical punk kind of title. Hell yeah, hard.
We play the song and there's fucking Samoans and Mexicans and Filipinos and fucking skinheads. Everybody's just, it's crazy, crazy pit in Pika's garage. And fear's flying everywhere and it's fucking great. And we finish that first song and everybody's just standing there in front of us puffin' and puffin' and I'm like, fuck yeah, let's do this again, man. Let's do another song.
You
know, I wanna fuckin' do this forever, you know? I wanna keep doing this. I don't know, it was like a, kinda come up in the punk scene and you're, you pick up an instrument and you, You know, pal around with some guys you don't know, and you make some music, and hey, is this good? I don't know, whatever. But then you get in front of some people, and you play it, and they fucking love it, and it's like validation, you know? And you're a teenager, and that's kind of important. Yeah, yeah.
It's not kind of important. It's really important, you know? And, you know... I've heard the question come up about your proudest punk rock moment. I have to say, you know, 17 years old, the Simone Grosz party, that was my most fond punk rock moment, you know. That's rad. All of us together, all my friends, having a good time. And then the Cops game. Yeah, so it's just you're being able to play?
Yeah.
Yeah, we played, and then another band called Disordered Youth, a band that both Pika and I would eventually play, and actually Pika was going to play bass in that band at that time, and he and I were going to trade off songs that night, and they played one song, and one E.M.E.P.D. showed up and shut it all down. Nope. No one went to jail. Amazingly, they just made everybody go home. It was Herculean effort, because there was, like Joe said, there was 100 people out there. It was crazy.
Yeah. It was great, because there was that, like I said, that personal validation moment, and then the really first time we got to hook up with all the Ventura guys, who we're also friends with now. Scott Porcho, Top Cody, Wes Miller, Drew Klein, all those guys. You know, that old irony of Leviticus crowd. You know, it was kind of nice doing our little bit to help seal the breach between Oxnard and Ventura, you know? Yeah. Do you guys play more shows?
No, I think we might have played a couple of backyard parties, but then Pika ended up going to Virginia. Okay. And I stepped in permanently with Distorted Youth on bass. I'm sorry, Forrest played guitar in VSTD, Robert, Rob, you know, on the vocals, hooked up with a bass player named Mike Schmieken, and we put together a group, punk style, called Fallen Fate. Yeah. But you joined Disordered Youth in between the two, correct? Yeah, well, we kind of...
We put it together because we didn't have a, you know, with Pika gone, we didn't really have a band anymore. You know, we didn't have a drummer.
Right.
So Rob jumped in on drums. We got Mike Schmeichel to play bass and I sang. And, you know, we wrote a bunch of songs and we didn't record anything. It didn't play out. Just trying to, you know, keep our things going. a friend thing going, you know, you know, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Cause solemn fate is basically the next version of, of BSOD, but, but we jumped over your time in disordered youth. So it's all happening at the same time. Oh, they're overlapping. Yeah. Okay. You're in both bands.
Yes. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. So do you, why, um, Myself, Gabe Sosa on guitar, Stephen Buescher on drums, and then Sean Widrig was the vocalist. This band kind of got a pull on the thread of AFU. So AFU, after Narcor album, say, right? Yep. Most of the members become a band called Red Runs. And then that band breaks up and reforms as Second Thought with a bass player named Richard Watanabe, who would eventually be the catalyst to form D.Y.
Richard is the guy... who the song Changes is about, by the way. The Burning Dog song, Changes. It's actually a D.Y. song that's covered by Changes. Yeah, it's about Richard. Written by Sean Woodrick. So Richard forms a group with a guy named Mike Lavelli, who most people know as Spivey. In South Oxford, they're called Distrust. And Spivey leaves the band, and they get Sean Woodrick Widrig and Richard were pals at Wyoming High School. That kind of solidified the lineup with D.Y.
Richard went off to the Air Force, as made famous by the song, and left the spot open for Pika first. Pika went in and did a demo with the band, with D.Y., and then Pika left the band, and then I joined, and I played with the band for a couple of years. Did a lot of shows locally. Kind of just like a regional thing, no tours. And I didn't record anything with DY either. Okay, so what are shows like? So you're in DY in 87, 88, correct? Yeah. Around that time.
And so is it mostly just house parties? At that time, mostly just house parties. But we, like I said, we were playing out We did a show in the Valley at the Country Club. Okay. The Chuck Vines Country Club, Rosita. Yeah. That was with Half Off and Gherkin Rocket. Gherkin Rocket was a rock band from Orange County, punk rock band from Orange County. Dude, that was Mutant Boy, who eventually played in The Vandal.
Oh,
okay. And they were good. They were real good. And then Hop Off. Yeah, they headlined. They were great. They crushed it. That was a good show. That was my first experience to pay to play. Oh, the country club was pay to play, huh? Yeah, yeah. Some shows? Yeah, yeah. And that was probably like 89. Okay. And I'd read about it, heard about it. That was our first experience with it. That was cool. Another cool show we played up in Napa Valley. Crazy up in Napa Valley. We drove up there for one show.
We played with Isocracy. You know who they are? Yeah, they get mentioned in all the Gilman type documentary stuff. Their thing was they brought all kinds of trash.
big trash with them they just throw it out in the show out in the crowd and everything while they played that was kind of cool so the bay area and then us we opened up the show dy and then it was like a local like metal what kind of band yeah uh called uh a prophecy okay and we got in a big fight with them that was that didn't that didn't work out well When you were hitting the dude, was he going, ah? No, no, but it was like we had to fight the whole crowd. I mean, it was one Amy band.
It was cool. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah. So I want to keep plugging through the discography, but also what I want to do is I'm trying to nail down what the Narco scene was like between 1987 and... Like, and 91. 87 and 91. Dude, we should have just started there. So, 86, 87. Well, we're right in the meat of it because we're through 88 with Disordered Youth, right? And Solemn Fate goes all the way to 89. Yeah, but there's...
So, when Joe and I got in the scene, like, the late 80s, it was going off in Oxnard. Okay. A lot of people, you know... They have different memories, but there were shows going off at the One Amy's Gay Palace, Hawthorne Community Center, and then backyard parties all the time. Bill Rapete was still active. Aggression was still active. Dr. No was still active. Stalag was doing their little metal thing. That was kind of fun. Like I said, second thought.
Irony and Leviticus from Ventura were playing out. There's a band out there that was just starting out called Narthic Structure that was playing. There's a band from The Strand called Global Warning. Paul Shin and Randy Miller were in that band. It's all like the local bands. There's a lot of local shit going on at the time. And eventually, so the band I'm playing in, D.Y., we, you know, kind of like, God, there was a change. Like in the late 80s, you know, like Jane's Addiction came out.
Yeah. And that was like an influence on a lot of local groups and D.Y. included.
And we started to slow things down and write more of that you know like street rock james addiction kind of thing funkier stuff yeah um yeah would you say that that band uh changed their name to uh uh trimaster monkey yeah after that book by um was it after the book did you guys name it after that what's that who knows where sean got it okay probably yeah what's the book i don't know By some author named Maxine something, I forget. Probably. Yeah. It's a pretty specific name.
Yeah. It's a hallucinogenic type. Oh, well, there you go. That makes sense why Sean was into that at that time. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. So, like I mentioned, late 80s, it's gay palaces.
Oxnard Community Center I think Fred Hammer talked about the very last show at Oxnard Community Center I think it was like 1988 Gretchen and Dr. No earlier than that but every I don't know I mean it could have been early I was a senior in high school when that when that show happened that was 88 when was the Uniformed Choice show That would be like 86, 87. But Community Center is done by 88, so where do the shows move? Because Skate Palace is not doing shows all the time, right?
They're doing maybe a couple a year. I think that the same people that were doing the shows at Community Center were the ones that were doing it at Skate Palace. So it's done at the same time. When they left the scene, it was all done, yeah. There was really... So what was left, there was a little venue on Saviors called the Philippine Hut. Okay. I think it's called Los Compadres. Los Compadres, yeah. Yeah, that's the same space, but it was called the Philippine Hut back in the day.
They had some shows there. Okay. There was a place on Cameroon Airport, the Oscars Club, the O-Club. I forgot the O-Club. Yeah, what time does that start going? It was only one show. 87, 88. I think, yeah, there was only one show there. A couple local, who's it? I think Primeval played and Dark Carnival. I can't get the words. I can't bust this all. Yeah, yeah. A metal band from Irony of Leviticus played. Corrosion and Conformity in seven seconds.
But one of the two didn't play because they didn't make it in time. Yeah. That was the bill. Fuck. But I can't remember because I didn't go. Do you remember COC playing at 12 Inch Fun? No. What is that place? Well, 12 Inch Fun was a record store on Main Street that became Wild Planet. The owner, Peter, just moved across the street into a bigger store and called it Wild Planet. So COC played there what year?
Yeah.
85, 86, yeah. Gresham played there as well. A bunch of bands would play. Do you know where the Zander Hallway is in downtown Ventura? Sure, sure. He was at the very end of that thing. Okay, so Community Center is gone by 88, and Skate Palace, the same people, so they stopped doing shows. Do you think the Filipino Hall? What are we calling it? Filipino Hut? That's 88? Yeah. Okay. So what's happening? What is going on other than that? It's just house shows, though, right?
Yeah. Or are you guys going to Santa Barbara? Is Santa Barbara still going? Are you able to get up there and play shows? The Anaconda was doing shows, stuff like that. The Red Barn. But again, those were few and far between. Yeah. Yeah, so Goleta Community Center is not doing a show every few months. Costa de la Raza is not doing a show every few months. No, none. Okay. So, yeah, it's mostly house shows, and then you're dipping your toes into having to go out to L.A.
Yeah. Okay. At that time, I think the theater, the Ventura Theater, was starting to play tap dance. I remember Irony opening up for Social D. Sometimes like 87, 88, right around that time. That was the first time I remember a punk band playing at the Ventura Theater. But as you say, 87, 88, it pretty much just went dark. There wasn't a whole lot of places to play. It didn't really jump off again until 88, numbskull got involved and In the early 90s. Yeah, in the very early 90s.
Okay, so you start doing Tripmaster Monkey in 88? Yeah. 88, 89? 88, yeah. And this is like more like funk and... Jane's Addiction-y. Jane's Addiction-y. Not really the funk side of Jane's Addiction. Okay. The weird... Yeah, okay. Okay, so does that open up more opportunities? Like you're able to play... like bars on Main Street or anything? That was the idea, I think. Stepping outside of Cronk, does it open up more opportunities for playing?
Well, they played Who Sings and, you know, Papa's a Beer, stuff like that, like those types of bars. I don't know what that is. Like, those are both, like, Mexico bars, in my opinion. Yeah, there was one on Inventory Harbor that was doing shows there all the time. Okay, because there's a... but of that type of world. The songs in Insanata invented the margarita. Oh, yeah, dude. And they have the best margarita in the world. And they have the railing on the outside. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. There was one in Ventura. Okay. In the harbor. And they would do these more rock-oriented shows. They wouldn't do hardcore punk shows, but they would do this stuff. So they could get away with playing there. Yeah. Yeah. So how are you feeling? I mean, you're playing bass. So it's got to be fun to be branching out a little bit, right? It does. Yeah. And do you guys play a bunch of shows? Well, okay. Tourmaster Monkey, I left that band before they changed the name to Tourmaster Monkey.
They were still called D.Y. And I somehow ended up in Ventura. living in Ventura, kind of near the government center. And I kind of rekindled a friendship with Aaron Abel. And we started talking about making some music together. I had gone through an evolution of my bass playing, I guess, and was playing more funk and hip-hop and whatever. I hooked up with Aaron, and eventually he introduced me to David Levine and Richard Gooden, and they had a group together already called the Hymenblasters.
Sick name. Yeah, it's cool. That's a terrible name. It's the worst name. It's a fucking terrible name. So I jammed with those guys for a little while. So you started with them in 90. So let's try to talk about... No, no, it's still 1989. Okay, so let's talk about Oxnard in 89. Is there anywhere to play? No. Okay. Just parties. Yeah, so 89 is just parties. Except those few one-off Eddie shows. The one-off Eddie shows, which is at? El Tapatio and El Fiesta.
Okay. At El Tapatio and El Fiesta, Eddie does a couple shows in 1989. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And then you're rock and rolling with the Hyman Blasters, and you're on the demo. Yeah. I recorded a demo with those guys. And actually on New Year's Eve, 1990, Aaron Abel and I are recruited by a couple of guys from the Valley to play in a band called Coup d'etat. This is 89 going into 90 or 90 going into 91? This is 89 going into 90. And you're recruited by the dudes in Coup d'etat? I messed my dates up.
That's okay. It's really close. Like by a year, dude. Well, that's why we're asking. We don't have to mention it. Aaron and I move out there to the valley, to San Fernando Valley. What town are you in? What's that? What town are you in? Calabasas. Okay. Shout out Joe Rogan. Will Smith, too. How it is in the valley, the other guys in the band are spread out all over the valley. North Hollywood, North Ridge. Canoga Park, you know. That's how it is out there. I did my time in North Hollywood.
Yeah, me too. A long time. So Aaron and I jam with these guys. We do a two-song demo. Do a few parties. And then a big freaking sold-out whiskey show that we headlined. Crazy. Yeah. So it blows up off the bat. Yeah. The guys that we hooked up with, they were hustlers, man. Don Calhoun, one of them, and Jason Acosta was the other guitar player. Yeah. And they just knew what they were doing as far as promoting shows and where to go. Where to go flyer. You know, where to go.
And this is kind of the start of my people that might, that might come back, might come to you play in a big city like Los Angeles. You know, it's different. It's different than, than flyering, you know, here at home. Right. You know? Right. So. Well, in the sound you guys are going, you guys are playing or like, it's, it's just very of the time. It's the start of a rapper. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. So that's like hot shit. Right. Right. At the very beginning, there's, there's no rage yet.
There's no body count yet. Yeah, it's almost a little too early. Yeah. What was influencing you guys to play this style of music? Me, personally, I'm still listening to a lot of Bad Brains. I don't know how I derived hip-hop from the Bad Brains, but it's just something that, I don't know, it's always been there.
It's an easy... connection I think I think that you know in my late teens I started to take a turn as far as my approach to playing the bass you know I stopped playing with a pick when I was like 15 or 16 started playing with my fingers I heard my first Chili Peppers album sometime in I don't know 87 something like that and you know I started playing on my thumb Yeah. You know, and I, it just had evolution of where I, where I was playing.
You know, I can, you know, I can already, I already knew music theory. I could already read it. I, you know, I just started to have a more, put the instrument more serious, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And, and by taking your instrument more serious, maybe you're taking what you're, what you're writing with it more serious. And, I don't know, maybe there was a moment there where I think it's like, okay, I can make some money doing this. There might be an opportunity here.
And so with Coup d'etat, in the very beginning, that's kind of how it was. It's like we're doing something brand new and something that people might like, that people might be into. This is a departure from... playing what I know everybody's going to like, playing punk and hardcore. It's so early in this music, it is a risk. Yeah. Playing that rap so early. I mean, it's not an established style yet. If you're saying it's before Rage. Yeah, definitely. I mean, probably only the Anthrax song.
You know, the Anthrax guy. Oh, Bring the Noise? Yeah, Bring the Noise. The only thing that, you know... Run DMC and Aerosmith. Yeah. Run DMC and Aerosmith. Walk this way. But there's a couple of instances. What about Blondie? Rapture. Yeah. What about motherfucking Star Wars? Trying to do it right. You know? Men in Blue? Youth Brigade Men in Blue. Yeah. Yeah, so there's little hints of it there. It's a seven-second song, Prejudice. It's got a hip-hop part to that, you know?
I mean, people have tried to cross it over for a long time,
you know?
I don't necessarily think that any of that influenced me. Like, this is, you know, hip-hop and metal need to cross over, but it just seemed natural progression for me, that's all, you know? Yeah, so you guys... Do you stay big? Are you still like, all your shows are like that at the whiskey? While I was doing the Coup d'etat thing, I still was playing with Pika. We had a little group with an old Guanyin, South Oxnard, pardon me, metal band called Men, Bold Decree.
And Pika and I hooked up with a couple of those guys from that band, and we had like a full speed metal band funk rap band called the Coaster Junkies, the Roller Coaster Junkies. And we rocked this for a while, and this was the Nexus for a band called Top Festival. That was another band that Pika and I played in together, you know, very top, funk, rock, metal kind of shit. You had horns. Yeah, with horns. With horns, yeah. Or two, yeah.
Mario and Ray. That would all come, you know, on the side later on. But, you know, right off the bat, I'm still trying to cross over, you know, metal and hip-hop and trying to, you know, get my, you know, my Oxnard friends involved. You know, like... This is where it happens.
Yeah. Yeah. So... coup d'etat yeah so um so coup d'etat turns into solon in 93 ish and why 94 yeah 93 94 why the name change because coup d'etat especially the way you guys sell it yeah the way you spell it is sick yeah it's fucking tight yeah so i guess uh okay so coup d'etat we released a record called coup d'etat uncensored um on our own. We formed our own label, Radical Records. God, I feel like I'm speeding through all this, man. Guys, I'm sorry.
No, no, it's all good.
So we put that record out. We go through a couple of different singers. Eventually, we land on a singer named John Diaz. And we make a demo like a week before the Northridge earthquake. Oh, shit. Five days after the Northridge earthquake, we get a call from Germany. These guys want to sign us. They want to put us on. It's a label that's owned by the Morris Corporation called Marlboro Records. EDEL was the distribution company that was the main German company.
Um, but they gave us like a super, super sweet development deal. They gave us the money to record a record and then gave us the record, like gave us the right, gave us the actual tape. So basically it's basically just a licensing deal for the record. Right. And so the deal was initially with Germany, Austria, Switzerland, gas, that, that, territory. It eventually expanded to Europe. And we ended up having to change the name. There was a band operating in Germany at the time called Coup d'Etat.
So we had to swap the name out. So I don't remember exactly how we landed on Sullen. But... That's how you felt when you had to give up that rad name. Kind of bummed, you know. And, you know, this was It was a band where, you know, Aaron was in the band at the beginning, you know, but in the end, we hired a guy named Walter who, like, works for Bill Ward and shit, you know, like, super, like, high-power drum tech motherfucker, you know what I mean?
Yeah. You know, I had this, I don't know, a professional experience as a musician in the band. 90s you know early 90s where people joined the band and then were fired from the band and and record companies got involved and and you know tried to steal from us and you know it's just it's just you know a surreal experience experience only to really end up like nowhere you know in a in a just making music, you know, where we're, you know, I don't know.
Yeah, so when's the first time that they bring you to Europe? That would have to be 95, 94, 95, yeah. Where do you fly into? Hamburg. Hamburg. Hamburg, Germany. Okay, so you hit Germany right away. Are you able to play 10 shows in Germany? Or are you all over the place? So the first time they brought us over, we had a song that was hitting on the radio called Mr. Mr. by Homeless People. So we arrived in Germany with a tour already booked with Downset. Okay, that was sick.
And another was the other Shooties group from New York City was the other sport and I think it was like a four week tour it was sick you know Downside was I think it was like their first record their very first record had just come out are they headlining or are you headlining? they're headlining so you do Germany and where else do you go? Germany, Austria, Switzerland, a little bit of France, a little bit of Belgium. Are the crowds all similar, or are they different? Yeah, they're identical.
Everywhere we go, it's Downsets crowd. Okay. It's Downsets crowd, which was Biohazard's crowd, by the way. And are those people feeling you? Yeah. They're digging us, and we have a song on the radio. Nobody else does. Sure. They only have the same kind of... local support that we had. Sure. So... And these places, are these clubs or are you playing squats? Yeah, they're clubs. They're clubs. Halls like the size of Ventura Theater. Okay. For the most part. And pretty packed like Ventura Theater?
They're all packed. Sold out. Downside was killing it that year. They were selling out every show. Okay. Selling out their t-shirt table. They were, yeah. They were doing good. They were doing real good. We were too. You come back from that tour with money in your pocket? No. That's not the way it works on that level. The exposure was there though. Yeah. When you're signed to a label like that, eventually someone got picked up by Virgin Atlantic and And EXP was the name of the label.
And when you're operating on that level, you're not making money really on the road. You're just trying to promote the record. That's totally opposite of what it is now. I know. Your first time out, that's what you're doing. You're sucking it up. Spending money and not really making a lot. Okay, so how about the second time you go out? So the second time we go out, we're headlining. With who? Some. Okay, so the first time is 95. Do you go out again in 95, or do you think it's 96?
It's probably 95 again. Okay. And what are the venues like this time? It's pretty much the same promoters, Blue Star Productions. Okay, so you do the same circuit?
Yeah.
Pretty much the same exact circuit. Okay, and how are you guys doing as headliners? We're doing, you know, we're selling out shows. Our support, Thumb, is, they're fantastic as well.
Victory.
Do you know who they are, Thumb? That's Klaus Grafke. I have no idea who they were. They were on Victory. Who? Victory was Thumb? Thumb? Thumb. Yeah, they had one record on Victory. It's Klaus Grabke, who was an 80s skater. Okay. And they were German. They're all German guys. Okay. And they're whatever. Hip-hop metal group. Crazy. They were really good. Oh, wow. Yeah, fun touring with those guys. Victory might have just had the U.S. distribution, possibly, maybe.
Yeah.
It's fun because they're like locals. Everywhere we go with them, they know what to do. They're fans, pretty much. They know where the RLD is. That's right. That's cool. How many times do you go to Europe in total? I have to be five times. Fuck, that's awesome. That's a great run. Yeah. Taking it all the way up until you end in 96. Yeah, 96, come home. The band kind of fell apart. That's a convoluted story. But I end up back in Los Angeles and back up with Pika again.
Cool. And I'm kind of doing the train thing between North Hollywood and Port Ronimi on the weekends, living and working out in the San Fernando Valley. And Pika and myself and Tim Antonio, a guitar player from FAY, put a group together, and we call ourselves Boilerman. Sick band. Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll play around for a little bit. Eventually recruited another vocalist, Tom Angulo, another Wainimi guy. And we recorded a self-titled record in 1999. Put that out, sold, I don't know. four or five hundred copies of that. We're, we're, we're, we're, we're pressing those on our own. We're, we're duplicating those by ourselves. Like 12 at a time. Like, uh, the, the singer Tom had a, what are you doing on Friday night? Yeah. What'd you think I'm going to do? I'm fine. Folding J cards.
That's what I'm doing. Yeah. Folding J cards, man. What'd you think? That's cool. Yeah.
Yeah.
And then sometime around, I don't know, 2000, kind of hung it up. Yeah. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah, that was a good run down the Revis lane. Very successful run. Yeah. I mean, going to Europe five times is so impressive. You know? It's fucking awesome. And a single on Marlboro Records. I had no fucking idea. It's on my Discogs alerts. So when one pops up on the internet, I get an email. Zach wants to get that picture disc, that's what he's trying for. Yeah, well, I got my alert set up.
It'll pop up. Everything I'm tracking down, I'll get at one point. It's all about the hunt. Yeah, dude. Yeah, there's a couple of stolen picture discs out there. Yeah. Yeah, they're promo. I'll get them. Eventually. Like I said, the hunt is fun. Yeah, dude. It was fun when Joe sent through this list of stuff. I was like, you know, I have to look everything up. And it's like, oh, shit. There's like a couple promos out there on vinyl. It's like, I got to find them.
Do you have all this stuff, Dobby? Yeah, I've got everything. I got it all. Yeah, but I don't want yours. I'm just curious. Not unless you have doubles. If you have doubles, I would love them. But don't give me your personal stuff. I got a lot of old VHS tapes. video of Europe and America. Coup d'etat, you know, the band Coup d'etat. Fuck, man. You know, we played out. I was playing like twice a week between like 90 and 94 before we left for Europe. I was playing two or three times a week.
We were a fucking busy-ass band. We were playing all the time. We were demoing all the time. We were in the studio all the time. It was a busy, busy time. Sick. Lots and lots of demos out there. Just that a lot of bands went through that, you know, where they, you know, You get an idea that, yeah, this style of music is going to hit right now. Or this song, this song in particular is going to hit right now. And you put everything behind it, and sometimes it just doesn't work out.
But coup d'etat, as a group, we stuck with it, and eventually, hey, we got someone interested. Yeah. That's sick, dude. Persistence. Yeah. Joe, you got anything else for Davi? I don't know. Davi, you want to talk about anything else? It's getting kind of late, boys. You know? Okay. Time to pack it in. It is 10-12. We're going to call Forrest, and we're going to call Pika, possibly. You ain't talking to Pika yet? Nope. We got delayed. Some go long, some go short. It all evens out, man.
We'll get Pika and Forrest. It'll be fun. Cool. So glad to have you on here, Davi. Right on. Thank you for having me on. What's that? Say it, Joe. Patreon. What about the Patreon? He's one of them. Davi. Thanks so much for the Patreon, by the way. Oh, I am. Yeah, I am. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're doing a great job. I think that what you're doing here, collecting these oral histories, it's important, Zach. On the real. Yeah. And I owe you an Omega Point shirt. Yeah, I'll get it.
I gotta get that shit for you. He didn't forget, fool. Better watch your back. Pull you off a cliff or something. Yeah, we're going to climb, dude. Yeah, we'll go paddle. So down, dude. So down. All right. All right, Dobby. Thanks so much. Thanks, man. Thank you. Good night, guys. Good night. All righty. You want to do Piga or Forest? Is Piga off work yet? I don't know. All right. Well, let's... You want to call Forrest first? Yeah, Forrest. All right. Let's pull this up. Forrest Lorenzana.
The man who never heard a Dag Nasty record that he didn't love. Forrest. Or at least a Brian Baker riff. Yeah. Well, what about, does he ride for Junkyard? Brian? Yeah. No, does Forrest love Junkyard? Oh, does he back Junkyard? I don't know. Let's ask him. All right. We'll start off with that. Yeah.
Yeah.
hi real good hey Forrest this is Zach we got Stu and we also have the legend Joe Rivas I've got nothing to do with this legend thing yeah so how's everybody doing this evening we're doing great do you have a favorite Junkyard song No,
I
do not. Because the legend Joe Rivas said that you like every Brian Baker project, and I said, what about Junkyard? Yeah, I'm not a big Junkyard fan. So we'll just skip on. Everyone has a clunker. Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
It was great for what it
was. I'm not
a big metal guy, you know. I don't even know if it was great for that. Yeah, you are. I've seen your hair in the 80s.
The thing is, I grew my hair long because Brian Baker got long hair.
Right. Yeah,
yeah, exactly, yeah.
force had this uh what's the bc rich what was it uh more
oh my god oh yeah dude oh yeah i had a warlock dude that thing is one of the worst fucking guitars ever made and the thing was a piece of shit i
thought
it looked
cool and it
didn't
well i think that you know in a 80s punk rock riot if you're being
uh
If the crowd is coming at you, a warlock might be handy to
have. It's funny. I remember when I first met Rob Calvert because Pika brought him over right before BSOD. And Rob saw the DC Rich and was like, we need to get this guy in the band. Yes.
See, it had a purpose, dude. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he even fucking heard me
play. He's just like, yeah, that thing's
rad. You didn't even have to gore a Krusty with it. All right. So, Forrest, your first punk rock band is 84-ish and it's called Unexpected. Is that correct?
Yeah, yeah. And the funny thing is, okay, Quick story behind that. I do see that as like a very important band, but it wasn't really a band. We have like maybe three songs and we try and get the kids to come over after school to watch us. And they did. And at first it was like, cool. And then after a while, they're like, yeah, we've heard those three songs. I was like, well, it's tight now. You're way better. They're like, you better write
a fourth song or we're not coming back.
But the thing is, like, we never played anywhere. That was pretty much it. And, uh, but it was Floyd McKenzie and Pika Mayava and myself. And that kind of lit a fire. Cause none of us ever stopped after that. You know what I mean? Like, like, like that was it. Like it kind of lit a fire under us to where we fucking, there was just a love for it from that fucking day on.
Yeah. And you're what age in 1984? Um, actually when we started, I was like 11 going on 12. Oh shit. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And, and are you already listening to punk?
Yes, yeah. See, I lucked out because I think that when I was a little kid, because I have an older cousin, Eric, and then Floyd was down the street, and he had two older brothers. So I remember as a little kid, man, you get these mixtapes from people. I was listening to the Dickies and the Ramones and all this shit. It was so funny because back then, especially because I lied about my age all the time because I was younger than everyone else. I was always younger.
Every band I was in, like, I was always the youngest kid in it. So I didn't want to look like a fucking poser, right? So I knew, like, every word to every fucking song. Like, I was never asking people, yeah, but who is that? Or you don't fucking know who that is? It's Black Flag or whatever, right?
Right, because you know every song off a mixtape and it's not labeled right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, like, no writing
on it.
No fucking writing. I remember one time, like, I'm at a fucking party, and I hear this song fucking playing. I'm like, I know every fucking word to this song. And I'm, like, hovering my head over the record player, and I'm sure my head was going in little circles trying to read the label. I'm just like, I'm like, fuck yeah, I love them. wasted youth. I fucking love wasted youth.
But there is still to this day, I think just a few years ago, because there's a song that I knew every fucking word to as a kid that I recently found out who fucking did it. And there's this song, I think it was Yoki Bear by Stukas Over Bedrock. And I knew every fucking word to that song. I remember I was singing it one time. And my friend Tony Franco was like, oh, fuck yeah, Stickers Over Bedrock. I was like, I had no fucking idea.
Yeah. That's so awesome. So that band, of all that stuff, did anything stand out to you more than anything else? Did you start to have a favorite? Because you haven't shied away from having favorites in your life, right? Everyone knows how much you love Dag Nasty. Is there an early band that stood out to you more than another one?
What do you mean, like within Oxnard? No, no, no, within
punk in general.
Within punk in general?
Yeah.
I don't know, man, because it's funny. There's so many fucking bands I grew up listening to, and it's funny because there's some of them that I've gone back and listened to later and been like, oh shit, they really went that good. Yeah. Oh, dude, fucking, when I was a kid, I fucking loved Gang Green. I remember coming back and listening, like, yeah, that's something. You know, but...
You're wrong if you're knocking Gang Green. Those early tracks, like, the stuff that got re-released, like their demos, that's, like, the fastest, best stuff. It's insane. And then another, what is it, another wasted year? LP? Oh, it's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's so good. But... It's funny, like, still to this day, like, there's so many fucking bands, like, some of the, like, you know, it's weird because I grew up, I grew up in the hardcore scene. I grew up in some of my favorite bands in the world are Oxnard bands, but I also grew up very much loving DC stuff.
Yeah. Well, how can you not?
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, but, you know, some of the, like, fucking... Embrace was fucking
great. It was undeniable. Zach's favorite hardcore band. It's a great record. It's just not a hardcore record. Jesus. There's something else going on in Forrest.
I don't know, but there's a lot of bands that fucking still... I don't know, but the thing is there's also a lot of bands that I listened to when I was younger that I didn't get that when I got older I was like, Oh, fuck, that was fucking rad. Why wasn't I fucking not paying attention to that?
You know what I mean? I like Pink Floyd now, too.
It's funny, like, when I was a kid, there was so much, like, fucking, you know, you didn't want to fucking listen to New Wave. And then you start listening to shit when you get a little old, not only for nostalgia of it, but some of it, you're like, fuck, that's actually really fucking good. I mean, musically,
you know? Yeah, Lord of the New Church, dude. Is that New Wave? Is that considered New Wave?
Wow.
I don't even know what that is. It's the dude after Dead Boys. I always thought he died, and then I found out he was in a band like that, and I was like, holy shit, it's fucking good. And then Poison Idea covers it, and it's even better. Oh, shit. It's fucking amazing. Anyway, Forrest, so if you're doing a band in 84, you're 11 years old, are you able to go out and see? Are you allowed to go to shows?
Yeah.
See, it's something like Floyd, Floyd McKenzie. He lived down the street from me and he had kind of like, his familial thing was like not, he could pretty much do anything he fucking wanted. Which I remember as funny as a kid, thinking, oh, fucking Floyd is so lucky because his mom doesn't fucking care. And then you get a little bit older and it's like, fucking poor Floyd, his mom didn't fucking care. But he lived right down the street.
So as a kid, I can just be like, hey, mom, let's stay in the night at Floyd's house. And she'd be like, oh, okay, cool. And we'd just fucking skate to Oxfam Community Center. You know what I mean? Or fucking the skate palace or wherever a fucking show was going on. So I would kind of, you know, Floyd was my... uh, chaperone, I guess you could say for a lot of this shit.
Yeah. So you're able to see all the, the big four Narcor bands in 84 in their prime?
Um, yes. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think that one of my first community center shows is around 84 and it was, I don't remember the exact lineup. I know the fucking adolescent headline. I want to say there's like, uh, social distortion and bad religion, but I think Dr. No and R.K.L. were on the bill. It was like this big fucking show. But no, yeah, I got to see shit. Aggression at a backyard party. It was at Lynette Higgins' birthday party or
something like that. So where would that have been? What part of town? That was on... Oh, it was in Wainimi. That was in the corner from his house. Oh, yeah. In Wainimi. So Aggression plays a backyard show? Pearson. And how many people come out to see him in the backyard? It
was a
birthday party. Yeah, I don't know. 60 people there or something like that? Yeah. But it wasn't like an announced show. Yeah. And it was D.Y. that was playing because Lynette was dating the guitarist of that band. Yeah. Gabe. And then they, DY, got Aggression to come. Like, hey, would you guys come play this thing? Yeah. Like, yeah, sure. Oh, so
do you guys want to hear my first real meeting of Mark and Henry from Aggression?
Yes.
Yes.
Of course. This is the most rhetorical question ever asked on this podcast. This is the most rhetorical question ever asked on this podcast. I'm just going to say up front, we touched on this already. But, go. No, dude, I don't want to hear when you met the guys from Aggression.
No. Well,
it's
funny because Henry's parents lived cat-a-corner behind my house on Fifth Place in Wainimi.
So, and I remember every day I'd see his mom walking the dogs around the block and stuff, and, like, I didn't really know who he, as a matter of fact, he told me this fucking story, and it's funny, because I was probably, like, 11 years old, and I had a Mohawk, and we're in our BMXs going around the block, and it's like, fuck you, punk rock, and he said that, like, me and Floyd, my cousin Justin, like, went by his house, like, flipping people off and yelling punk rock or whatever, he's like, you
know you fucking flipped off, like, I think it was Mike Ness and Glenn Danzig. Like there were touring bands that were staying at this parent's house. And I was like, I'm like, well, in my defense, you know, they were wearing a lot of eye makeup. I probably just thought they were fucking death rockers or something like that. But so anyway, this is a BSOD and we're playing, uh, because garage is like, I think the bill is us. You, why would it get an irony?
And Dave Jessen, a friend of ours for a while, was playing guitar with aggression because Henry had gotten a car accident and broke both of his arms. Which he ended up cutting his fucking own cast off to play the
show. What's that all about, that broken arm part?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Both arms? Both arms, because he was holding the steering wheel and the truck went down the hill and when he hit them, both arms snapped. So yeah, he broke both of his arms. He ended up cutting his own fucking cast off like months before he was supposed to or whatever. I'm
going to mimic what the... We have to describe. You have to describe because we're on a podcast. So his arms were out straight. Like he's a zombie. His arms were out like he's a zombie. These poles that went to his hips to help keep his arms up. So they were out all the time. So who cut him off? I don't know how he did it.
I'm sure somebody. I don't know. He probably chewed him off as fucking Henry.
He was a tweaker at one point so
yeah yeah yeah i remember we uh we had just heard this story from i don't want to call anybody out but it's kind of funny we just heard a story uh gabe sosa from dy was talking about uh dy just played the oxford community center and they covered a dr no
song
and yeah and then kyle kyle tauscher from dr no walks up to them after He's like, hey, nice cover. Next time, fucking ask, and walked away. I mean,
that's a really current song, kind of, right?
Yeah. So we'd heard this fucking story, and then all of a sudden, we literally had three Gresham songs in our fucking set, right? And then in walks, fucking Dave Jessen brings in fucking Henry Knowles and Mark Higgins. And I'm just like, holy fucking shit, dude. Literally almost half of our set is fucking aggression songs. So I look over at Rob and I'm like, dude, we have to ask. Because we've heard this story about fucking Kyle and EY, right? I'm like, dude, we have to go ask.
He's like, you ask. I'm like, no, you ask. So I walk up and I think Rob's trailing behind me. I'm like, um, excuse me. Just so you know, we wanted to do some aggression songs, would you guys mind? I'm like, fuck yeah, do it, right? And the funniest part was, like, we hauled ass on these fucking songs, not because, like, we were, like, skilled, but because we were scared shitless. Right. Like, we fucking... You wanted to get it over
with.
Yeah. Yeah, we did, like, Rat Race and Intense Energy, and I forget what else we did. But, I mean, we fucking blew through these songs.
And I remember Henry just being like... fuck yeah that shit is faster than we fucking do it and he looked at me and he's like but where was the lead where's the lead and I and I just kind of like I kind of like very like stylishly like pointed at Henry I'm like the lead's right there I'm like I'm not playing the fucking lead I was like 13 or some shit yeah that was awesome but yeah then after that Henry and I actually became really good friends for a long time
that's awesome dude yeah
yeah
So let's talk about BSOD. How many shows do you think the band played?
With me and the band, we did some parties and stuff, but there was a period in time they decided to bring in another guitarist. They got Eric Vera for a while. And Eric started writing really metal songs.
Okay.
And my thing is... It's appropriate for the time, right? Yeah, but I'm not a metal guy. I'm not a punker. You don't even like
Junkyard.
Yeah, yeah. So I just stopped showing up to practice. And so BSRD actually continued for a while without me. I remember it was the Philippine Hut show. And it was funny. Doggy and Pika and Rob showed up to my house to kick me out. And they're just like, bro, I'm like, dude, I haven't even been to practice. I'm going to play this show. I don't even know half the fucking song. I'm like, yeah, I'm not upset. It's cool.
But yeah, so I think ESOD actually ended up later doing more without me than they actually did with me.
Okay. And then after that, you joined back up with Davi and Rob and do Solemn Feet. Yes. Yeah.
And that one, we had a Originally, it was, I believe, a three-piece, and Dobby was playing bass and singing. That's when we got Mike Schmieken in on bass, and Dobby was just actually singing for a while. But that one, we actually did quite a few shows with solid bass.
Yeah, so this hones right into the pocket that I want to try to figure out. On this pod, we're trying to nail down. The window's getting smaller, I feel. I wanted to talk about 87 to 92. But it's kind of like a lot of shit happened in 87. But that's kind of when it faded away. So it's really only 88 through 90, probably. It's like the actual dark time. Because for us, can you back us up? So in 91-ish, this is when... Mogs starts going again, and the Mayfair
Theater. Yeah, and at that time I was in Spring Bird. Okay,
so the dark years of not having a lot of shows or places to do shows, you think it was 88 to 91? 88 to 90?
Yeah, yeah. The thing was, there were shows. And there were some really cool shows, but there was only a handful of punk bands at the
time. Okay, so this... This band is perfect to talk about because if Solemn Fate is 88 to 89, let's do it. Let's deep dive into it, man.
Well, the thing is, and what would happen, I think actually more so was in Spring Voodoo than Solemn Fate because there were just a handful of us. Okay. And so unless the bill was going to be the same for every fucking show, we were doing – every show was like – You know, one punk band, a funk band, fucking some hip-hop shit. You know what I mean? A beat metal band. Yeah. So it was very difficult to get a solid bill, like a punk rock bill. You know what I mean?
Yeah. But that's when bands started showing up, like Spring Voodoo, one of the opening bands was like Offspring or something like that. You know what I mean? Like bands from other places would come in and play. So it's
just like... So it's just that in an 88, 89, there's actually just not a lot of bands. There's not a lot of bands. Yeah. And there's... We could still do shows at the community center. The catch is that you were required to have all this ridiculous security and, like, all these... You had to get a guard for every 50 people or some shit. Right, right. And all that, that was so far out of our means to make happen. So... It didn't. I mean, it did like once, you know, or twice. Okay, so here's
a... The Ruben show in Thousand Elks.
Yeah.
Which
ended up at your grandma's house. Yeah, it ended up at my granny's house, yeah. That was 89. So how about in 87, RKL puts out one of the greatest punk records ever. Where do they play after they put out the second LP? Not in Europe. They just go. They hit touring. L.A. L.A. and tour. L.A. and San Fran tour. And it may be a show in Santa Barbara here or there. Yeah,
like Santa Barbara in L.A. But it's funny because there was a time in the 80s where if you were a punk band from anywhere, you wanted to play Oxnard.
Sure.
You know what I mean? Because the Narcore scene is a fucking big scene. So bands from all around the world wanted to play Oxnard. But at this time, it was like, you know, fuck Oxnard. There's no, like... Even a lot of the punk bands started playing speed metal or just fucking basically retired for a bit. Right. And then, you know, came back later. But... Yeah, it was a... It was a weird time. And... Do you guys want to hear the story about the Rubin Show? Sure. Okay. This is actually fucking...
It was... Joe, you were in Dignity at the time, right? I was not. Top of Screen Onions.
I was not in the band yet.
Oh, okay.
Because John was still alive. Yeah. So I was 88.
Okay. So it was Psalm Faith, Dignity, was it Purple Holocaust? Who else was on that bill?
Yeah,
Purple Holocaust. Purple Holocaust. And D.Y. And D.Y. And I think it was... It was Rob and Laurel that were putting the show together, right?
No. That was the Skate Palace show. This was Aaron Horn put the show together. The T.O. kids.
So basically, this place Rubens, which is now Borderline in Thousand Oaks. And at the time it was Rubens. And so no big deal. We're there. We're soundchecking. Everything's great. And we've done this whole thing where we went to the fucking T.O. mall throwing out flyers.
security got scared and told us we had to separate from each other like we're too big of a group and we're scaring people because we have like mohawks and green hair and so they went to the fucking T.O. mall in the 80s no more than three
people
yeah yeah back when having a mohawk and green hair was not cool it wasn't like you know so uh so anyway so we house all these flyers and shit we're sound checking everything is cool and then all of a sudden punk rockers start lining up in front of the place You know, and you have, like, fucking spike leather jackets and mohawks and fucking all this shit. And the manager comes up and he's like, um, yeah, so you guys are going to need banded security guards with armbands.
We're like, okay, how many do we need? And they're like, um, you know, 20 or something like that. So we're like, all right. So we run out and we fucking grab 20 people. We put little armbands on them. We're like, cool, we have security. Yeah, they have to be over 21. And we're like, God damn it. So we went and found over 21. I think it's like Jerry Garcia's dad. So we managed to get 20 over 21 people armbanded. Yeah, but we're going to have to check because they can't have criminal records.
And we're just like, do you just not want us to have the fucking show here? Do you just not want us to do this? And they're like, yeah, we don't think we want to have this here. So we're just like, fuck. So we're leaving. My granny went to go visit family in Arkansas, and my cousin Eric was watching our house. So I remember just pulling up and knocking on the door, and Eric answers like, hey, show got canceled. Is it cool for you to do it here? He's like, well, yeah, how many people?
And he looks out, because we're right across from Bubbling Springs Park. And there was cars up Bard Road all the way to fucking J Street, right? You just see like a line of headlights. I'm like, ah, a couple people. And we played in my friend's living room.
That was awesome. That's rad. So cool. Cool. Is there anything else you can say about this time period? In 88 to 90?
Yeah, like I said, it was... I mean, it was cool, because we would do, a lot of the people who were in punk bands before that, you know, like, there were great bands, you know what I mean? Like, fucking, you know, like, there was, like, Thought Festival, Bold Decree, and, like, all these fucking great bands, but they weren't punk bands.
Yeah. And, you know, Dobby was doing, like, Coup d'Etat, and, like, you know, the Primate Blasters, or whoever at the time, but, like I said, there were a few punk bands at the time. but we couldn't just keep playing the same shows together. So there were just these weird fucking eclectic shows. And the only thing that was cool about it was we all knew each other.
So all the friends would come, but for the most part, we would have a crowd of our friends up in front of the stage for the whole show. But for the most part, you'd get a group of people coming to see one band and split. Or you'd be playing and half the fucking crowd is at the back waiting to hear fucking somebody else. It's just this... It's kind of cool, but lame. Yeah.
It's interesting. Yeah. So we can jump to the 90s. Yeah, let's go. Jump to spring voodoo.
So spring voodoo, that was actually where I met Donovan Coffey and Danny Miller. And they had... I forget what the name of the band was, but they had a band. Tell
them your first practice story.
A mutual friend, this guy Colin. I don't even know if I should use his last name. He's like a sheriff now or
something like that. Oh, then he should definitely use his last name.
Oh, yeah, yeah. So Colin Winchell, and the funny thing about Colin Winchell is he was... one of our numerous bass players. Get a shit ton of
coke and then stab someone. Yeah, yeah. He was
actually the first bass player for The Unexpected.
Okay, and who's The Unexpected? Yeah, in 84. So, but anyway, I knew him and he's like... I do it so you don't have to.
But...
Colin
hits me up. He's like, hey, I know these guys and they fucking want a guitarist. You know, they're like a punk band. I was like, all right, cool. He's like, so this should be this place, J.E.R. Studios. You can rent by the hour and have a place to practice. So he's like, yeah, so they want you to show up on this day at this time, blah, blah, blah. And I think it was Greg Kelly's bachelor party or something that day. Joe, do you remember?
I don't remember what it was, but yeah. Yeah, this is a bachelor party. I've got fucking just shit face. Yeah, this is before his practice. Yeah,
yeah. So before the practice, I'm at a fucking bachelor party. Fucking shit face. I go in there. I think I was wearing a shirt and tie. And I used to have this big fucking like 1960s Ampeg combo amp that weighed a fucking ton, this fucking tube amp. I go and I kind of kick the door open, and as I'm walking in, I drop the amp. It just fucking rolls. I plug everything in, turn up as loud as I fucking can. I'm like, yeah, play this song. Why can't you guys play this?
Anyway, I was a total fucking ass. I guess afterwards, Donovan and Danny Moa tell Colin, I never want to fucking see this guy again. Never bring him back here again. And Colin's like, just give him one more chance. Give him one more chance. And so I came back and that's what, there was this guy, Alan, that was playing bass with him at the time. And he's like, if you guys bring him back, I'm fucking leaving the band, which he did. That's why I brought in Travis Scribner to play bass.
And that was the start of Spring Voodoo. And that's where I met Donovan. That's where I met Danny Moe, all those guys. But, But that was actually as weird. We never recorded. Like, we never really did anything. We played logs, like, all the fucking time. And come to find out, and this is really bizarre, when a lot of other bands like this, like other musicians like this, it was kind of this weird, I mean, it was punk, but it was, like,
almost new wave-y type punk. I don't know. Joe, you describe it. I would say they sounded like new in seven seconds. Okay. Yeah. Kind of, you know, with, with a different, with not, not with Kevin singing, you know, Kevin's voice is so distinct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have forced vocals,
but, but come to find out is this really fucking bizarre. When strung out with starting out, they would come to every fucking mob show. And I just thought this was fucking hilarious when I was in El Repute and we were playing with Strung Out. These guys were like, holy shit, you were in fucking Spring Voodoo. I was like, that's what you fucking remember me from? I was like, literally, the most obscure fucking...
But no, they all remember me from fucking Spring Voodoo because they went to every fucking show. That's actually how I got to meet Jim Cherry because him and his dad were throwing shows at Cheers. And he started calling me all the time like, oh, you guys like Cheers? Cheers and Simi Valley. which we never ended up doing, but, but yeah, that was a, that was an interesting
time. Yeah, that's cool. And that, that bridge is out of like the, what we're calling like the darker times and into when mogs is firing and the Mayfair. Yeah. And so you played both for us with that band. Um,
I don't, I've played the Mayfair. I don't remember what band I was in. I think spring voodoo played the Mayfair.
I think it was from voodoo too. The tail end of Spring Voodoo. So why does Spring Voodoo break
up? I think most of my bands just kind of petered out. It just kind of stopped. I don't remember exactly what it was that happened. I mean, I know like Clinchfist and stuff, there's like Donovan joined the military. I don't remember with Spring Voodoo. It just kind of slowed down and stopped. I don't remember.
You're still really good friends with all those guys, so there was no bad blood or anything.
Well, yeah, no, no. Actually, I've never ended a band with bad blood. Usually, like I said, it's with all those things. We just stop practicing. Well, our version is
off-guard. What, uh... I hate you. What do you do in the gap between spring voodoo and starting Clinchfist? Um... drugs. I'm just kidding. It's a fair answer. No, no, actually no, but yeah, I got married.
And that was, yeah, got married. Got a real job and then started playing again. It was like I decided to try and be an adult for a minute.
It didn't work out very well. He was still... still writing songs like forced and i wrote three songs together in that time yeah in that gap okay you know yeah i think a couple of them we do now so two of them are trust songs and one of them we split the song and i took my parts and he took his parts and his parts became reflections and my part became yeah the sky the bring dog song sky
yeah
But if you played the two songs together on top of each other, that bass line that I wrote for the sky fits two reflections. That's rad. I mean, we play them at different tempos and all that. We can't play it over the top of each other? You can't now, but yeah. I shouldn't do that. What are you supposed to do? Is Dark Side of the Moon over Wizard of Oz? Wizard of Oz, yeah. It doesn't work out like that. Anyway, so Forrest was still doing stuff, just not in an actual band.
Yeah, you didn't form something. Okay, so in 94, you start Clinch Fist, and this has Donovan from Spring Voodoo, and then also you get Rob Back, who was in Solemn Fate, and B.S.O.D. with you. Yes. And then you have Maury. Yeah, because Maury... And he's a longtime friend at this point.
Yeah, well, those things, because I've known Pico since we were kids, so I've literally known Mori since he was like seven or eight years old. And it's funny, too, like, and fucking Samoans always piss me off, because they can play any fucking instrument you set in front of them. Just like, I remember one time, Pico's like playing piano. I was like, oh, I didn't know you played piano. He's like, well, I don't. But the funny thing with Mori is he was just this obnoxious little kid.
Let me play your drums. Let me play your guitar. Let me play this. Let me play that. Fucking knock on the door. He eats me more. He got the grub. And he comes in with one cookie and there's like fucking 30 of us in there. He learned on our shit. That's why he still plays. Because he's left-handed. So if you ever notice, he plays... Upside down. Like, he doesn't switch to left-handed. Yeah, because he learned on
your shit, your right-handed shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he plays right-handed instruments upside down. He still plays, even his drums are set up for a right-handed person, so he plays it like, almost like playing the hi-hat, like somebody would play the ride.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? So he doesn't play cross-armed.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, no. No. Yeah, so he learned on all of our shit. And he's a fucking amazing musician, but it's just funny because he just learned fucked up because he had to play with our shit and that's how he
learned. Yeah. And this is kind of like the Narco resurgence. It starts in like 94.
Yeah, that's when we started getting like, you know, there are great fucking shows going on. Yeah. So talk about it. And there was a little, not bitterness, but there was a little bit of bitterness.
It was funny because all the bands... to stop start coming back which is fucking great but you know you start hearing these people say you know fucking hardcore for life and I was like well you know you know that whole that old fucking you know where were you in 82 it's like where the fuck were you in 92 when we fucking needed you you know what I mean like everybody came back and they were just like yeah hardcore for life it's like well but what happened with a
five year hiatus
yeah it was great to have everybody back but I do feel like you know, Joe and I, and there's a handful of, they were kind of holding the fork down for a while.
Yeah. You know, but. Well, that's the point of this episode. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about the Joe Rivas generation. I got nothing to do with these names.
Sure.
So let's talk about it kicking off. What do you think is the catalyst other than, is it just simply that there's three bands from the same area that, which are all awesome, which would be Burning Dog, F.A.Y., and Clutch Fist.
Yeah, we're the best three.
No, no, but from that area, you're like a force and you're all friends bands. It helps. It helps that there's three bands. Obviously, you're friends with everyone, but you have like three brother bands starting that are all from the same area and all good and all sound a little similar but different enough that they stand on their own. That's a force. Three bands can get a scene going. And that's not to mention all the other bands that start around the same time from Ventura and so forth.
But this is Nard coming back.
Yeah, but the thing is, it's so funny because you talk about similarities. I mean, Clinchfist and Burning Dog, we kind of wrote songs for each other. You know what I mean? There's shit that we... very much collaborated on musically. And then you have like F.A.Y., which when it started with my cousin Justin singing, there was stuff that was taken from, before that he had a band called Stealthish. And I actually joined Stealthish for a little bit and wrote them some songs.
But some of those songs kept kind of going into F.A.Y. So there were, a lot of the stuff was collaborated. You know what I mean? So, yeah, there were a lot of similarities, but it wasn't by chance. You know what I mean? Sure. Sure. Well,
yeah, I mean, it's going to be chance a little bit, too, because we did all have the same, we all love the same bands. And we all grew up together. And we all grew up together. Yeah. I'm going to throw this out about Forrest, the whole Legend thing, so you guys do this Legend thing, Joe Revis thing.
Yeah.
That Joe is slowly starting to love. I am not loving it at all. But if there's any legend in my life, it's this guy because he taught me my first punk rock song, how to play my first punk rock song on guitar. What song was that? Rat Race. Yep. 85? Yeah, somewhere around there. Yep. We were both little kids, and I could play guitar already. I already knew some songs.
Yeah, Joe was doing chords and stuff, like an actual guitarist. I'm like, no.
He's all like, here, here, let me show you this song. It's called Rat Race. I'm like, I know that song, but how do you play it? Can you teach me how to play Don't Fear the Reaper? And you're like, well, I know Rat Race. So it starts taking off. And there's shows all over. Like Deja Vu starts. Deja Vu. Yeah. The theater is now starting to book punk bands regularly. And there's a fair amount of one-offs in Ventura.
Yeah. They're going to the secret spot and all sorts of other little random, random spots. Also the living room starts going. And the living room is jumping, starts jumping big time in 95. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's it. You have... some steady venues, and you have a lot of good bands. Missing 23rd starts in 95. 95. Yeah, great. So one year behind. Yeah, amazing band. Who else is going? In 94, 95. In Oxnard, Peter Pan. Yeah. Bobby's band, Dave. Oh, Riverbottom Nightmare Band.
Riverbottom Nightmare Band starts Pig Alley, of course. Yeah. No motive. Let's actually jump back. I jumped ahead. Can we talk about Fooey? When is Fooey's time? It's a little before that, no? Yeah, just a little bit. Okay. So Fooey's not 93? Okay, 93, 94. Are you friends with these guys? No. Not really. Forrest, are you friends with them? No. Are they more Ventura? Why are you guys not friends with them? Well... Who was in that band? Yeah, exactly.
No, no, seriously. Who was in that band? I don't remember.
They were... Zach was some dude from T.O. up the hill. Oh, okay. Okay, so let's... Educate
me, guys. Speaking of T.O. bands, got a rumor... God damn it. California Redemption is a good
band. Yeah, that's later, though. Later, right. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so Fooey's who? Where are they from? Well, three of the guys I think were from Ventura. They ended up in Ventura, but Zach was from T.O. They might have all been from T.O. and just moved to Ventura because that's where shows were happening. Okay, but they are a legitimate headlining band in the early 90s, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. People liked them. Whatever. People other than Joe Remus liked Phooey. Well, they were...
Let's talk about this. They were pushed a lot by church stuff, so there was a lot of church stuff involved with them, too. Were they a Christian band? No, they weren't a Christian band, but the church kids were really into them. Why? I don't know, because they were safe. Honestly, I don't know. It's like, why do people like the Aquabats? It's the same kind of... They dress up and they're fun. Yeah, well, that's kind of what their schtick was too. Did they dress up? Sort of. I think so, yeah.
In what ways? I don't know, like Bowie, like 70s Bowie kind of. Skirts and shit. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm just asking a question, man. But Zach, you know, there were issues that that guy did. Well, we're lucky that another Zach came along and was pretty cool. It was only a couple years later. And this may upset some of the Ventura kids. Well, they're not kids anymore. But they did some shit that wasn't very cool. Blacklisting Oxnard. Oh, Phooey did. Oh, yeah. They didn't want your bands to play.
They didn't want us because we were associated with tough guy-ism or fucking whatever. Like Burning Dog? Like, really? Yeah. Yeah, we're like the least tough guys. We just wanted to play and have fun. That's all we were trying to do. Now, maybe some of some... people that came to see us. Oh,
they're always the knuckleheads that fucking showed up. But
there were plenty of knuckleheads in Ventura as well. So, you know, Pierpont guys and the Avenue guys and all that. So he manipulated things to make it difficult for a lot of people. Yeah. Okay. I mean, we were always cool, but, you know, we always knew that that was happening. And we fought through it regardless. And actually, Eddie helped us, at least Burning Dog, out a lot by not putting us on flyers. And then we'd show up and play. And the kids totally loved us.
And they were like, who are you guys? Oh, you're Burning Dog. Wait a minute. We're not supposed to like you. So there was all these. So they actively, like, shat on you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. On these three? On FOI Clinched Fist Burning Dog. Yeah. Wild. Yeah. Hey. See? We're breaking some stuff out here. Yeah. See, I did not know. Before my time, man. I didn't really want to go into that. That's okay. We got to know. I don't want to bad mouth anybody. No, no, no. It is history regardless.
It really happened. It's like 18 years later, dude. It's catch. Or no. 28 years later. 28. Go on, Forrest.
Does it suck that I have absolutely no recollection of Bowie?
Nope.
Okay. I don't agree with them at all.
Because Pig Alley was far better. Pig Alley was great. And they were pretty much the same feeling, sound to what they were doing. What was the pre-Pig Alley band when Mike Wolfe was in it? Yuck. They were just called Yuck. Yeah. It worked. E-Y-C-H. Joe, I'm going to need you to spell that. Is that it? E-Y-C-H. That's fucking hilarious. I let Punchline be the joke. That was the question. Oh. That's sick. Yeah. But Clench Fist only lasts a couple years.
Yeah, yeah. It wasn't around for very long. But it was fun. We had a fucking blast. Oh, my God. Thank you, Scott. I remember there was, like... Okay, at that point in time, like, I was drinking a lot. Everybody in the band had... At
that point in time? Yeah, well, I'm drunk right now. We're working on it, the two of us. Yeah, so... It's funny because, like, you know,
Donovan and Rob both had substance abuse issues, I guess you could say. Maury was the wild card. Like, we were always predictable. Like, I'd be drunk. They'd be fucking all twacked out.
Maury would just be like... oh I decided to try fucking Angel Dust or fucking I'm on Sherm or fucking just like something like I'm hopped up on goofballs like some weird fucking random shit from the 70s that you did like on Quaaludes you know it was like it was always fucked up but it's something different every fucking time
yeah
and I remember um I think it was the Armory show I was like this is gonna be a pretty big show man maybe we should fucking like do it sober this is that Jughead's
Revenge
yeah Yeah, yeah. And I remember we decided to practice sober, because at the time I was living on Rossmoor, and literally most of the band was living there at the house. And we had the bedroom down below, which ended up becoming Big Bob's bed from Gresham's bedroom when he moved in. For a while, it was just, that's where we practiced.
Yeah.
I was like, man, let's fucking practice sober. And his fucking muscle memory, we'd never played sober before. That was the worst we ever fucked. I'm like, yeah, let's get fucked up. Because this is a good fucking movie. Yeah, you're like, how do I tune my guitar? Like, we couldn't remember the songs. Like, everything was fucked up. We'd never played him sober before. I was like, yeah, this isn't gonna work.
That's wild. So, and that band is Fizzles as well. What's that? The band is kind of Fizzles. Stop jamming.
Yeah, everything just kind of petered out.
Donovan joined the Coast Guard. Rob went to jail. Morey got shot. I think Donovan's Coast Guard thing was actually why Spring Voodoo stopped. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. You're right. Donovan got married. Yeah, Donovan got married and tried to be an adult. And joined the service. No. No, joined the service. Actually, that was before. That was between Springfield and Clinchfist. Yeah, so that's actually what stopped Springfield. He joined the Loudhounds, is what Donovan did. Yeah. Well, cool.
And then after Clinchfist, you and Joe achieve your dream and get to join No Repute.
Yeah, yeah. It's so funny. It's like... I mean, it's still this day. I mean, because it's fucking... I delight in fucking Ill Repute. I mean, it's still this fucking day. And it was such an honor to be in the band, but it's still... I mean, come on. It's like if Keith Richards decided to make the Rolling Stones, but he's not going to play guitar anymore, he's going to sing, like... And I remember because Tony was like, I'm done writing music. You write the next album.
I was like, this is not fucking Ill Repute at
all. That's actually how Critchin ended up being started. Gotcha. Let's backtrack out of that a little bit. So Ill Repute does Big Rusty Balls. Then they break up. Then they get back with Bleed. And Bleed is when they get Joey Lipke and Joey Lipke's friend, Nishaya. And then it's still Tony. So it's Tony, Jim, and then Ashaya and Joey Lipke. Four piece with Tony playing guitar and singing. And
Ashaya playing
the
bass. Yes. Yeah. And Tony was still the principal songwriter and musically and stuff. And that was a great, that was a great, yeah, and Jim. That was a great fucking album.
Yeah. I love that album. That album gets lots of love on the spot. It's so funny. I used to save
bad reviews. from the And Now album, because I agree. On its own, I don't think it wasn't a bad album, but if it was called something else, I think that Maximum Rock and Roll referred to it as an abomination onto punk rock.
I'm going to get to And Now. I'm setting it up. I wonder if you have any information, because basically Bleed... comes out, they play a few shows, and Jim basically leaves the band. Jim quits. So Jim quits, but you guys, and then Nishai. And then I got Chris. Okay, and Nishai quits too? No, Nishai. Nishai and Chris play in the band at the same time. Then Nishai quit, and then they got Chuck.
Well, I think Nishai was also playing for, what was it, Glue Gun? Yeah.
Yeah,
he was playing for Glue Gun, and yeah.
But Joystick was his band, like, before Irubu.
Yeah.
Yeah. And then they got Chuck, who was the guitarist in Stalag. Okay. Well, Blake, obviously Blake played guitar too, but Blake and this other guy, Chuck.
No, Stalag 13, but Stalag.
Yeah, Stalag. The Stalag Conviction CD that came out in the 90s. Yeah. A song like his, Lost to Love, on this pod as well. And then... And then... disintegrated one more time completely and then they got somehow Forrest got in the band that transition I'm uncertain of but Joey Lipke's still playing drums on the end now Chuck is gone and it's just Forrest Chris and Tony and Joey on drums And then Tony hits me up, and then I joined the band too.
Okay, so you joined the band, but they had already written like 99% of the songs for the
record. Half the songs I stole from
fucking,
yeah,
the fucking Quench This song, which actually I think sounded better in, yeah. Yeah. okay so half of the songs you bring along with you and then most of the stuff was written like in that time before Joe comes in yeah
yeah yeah and it's funny because like when I joined the band yeah when I joined the band there was like okay we want to put out a new album on this date
yeah
and Tony was like he almost just seemed fed up at the time like he was writing lyrics and stuff but he was just kind of like you know You write the music. I'm like, well, fuck, you guys want to put out an album in a couple months.
And they have
no songs yet? No, there's actually one song on the album that was recorded with Nishai on
guitar. Okay, so that song's written. They have one song, and they're like, let's put out a CD in a couple months. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never hacked songs from past bands. You know what I mean? I always... I like writing songs.
Sure.
But like literally half the fucking songs on that album were fucked up versions of a bunch of songs.
Gotcha. Or our one other caught off guard song. So we, I said we had three songs.
Yeah. Yeah. Or also the one that I didn't realize, like, cause there were two songs I wrote the music to like days before we went to the studio. And one of them, I remember after recording it, just being like, oh shit that's a Dag Nasty song yeah like musically it's almost fucking spot on a Dag
Nasty song god damn it never go back yeah that's wild but you didn't hack it no no but yeah that's crazy anyway
I'm so glad that Overpute is Overpute again you know what I mean yeah that's what I want to hear
Well, I really like when Tony sings and plays guitar. Yeah. Like, there's that one song on the transition LP called Burnin', and that song is so fucking good. Yeah. Well, no,
I love Tony's singing. Don't get me wrong. It's just I love hearing, like, your repute. Oh, of course. With Xanath and Jim and Tony. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. I wish I could write more new music.
It'll happen. We were talking about that earlier. It'll happen. Zach said we're going to have to write all the songs for them and then just give them to him. We just go record the whole thing and fuck it. And just have FNAF come in and do vocals on top? And then just give them all credit and ghost do the whole thing. Oh, that
was probably, I think, like, I was so fucking stoked. We played the Ventura Theater one time, and Banniff showed up, and it was when Joe and I were playing, and he came up and sang Sleepwalking. I was like, oh,
this is fucking so rad. Yeah. And Jamie Just. Oh, Jamie Just. Oh, my God. Jamie Just was still in your set list? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. No, no, no, get this, get this.
Okay, so this is so fucked up. This is so fucked up. Yeah, so these girls know from Lancaster, right? They come up, and these girls are actually kind of cute, and they come up and they're like, oh my God, we drove all the way up from Lancaster, and we just want, can you please play Jamie Just, which is already on the set list, right? Yeah. And we're like, you know what, for you guys, for you guys, we'll do it, we'll do it, right?
Yeah. So, in the middle of the set, Tony's like, this song goes out to the girls that came all the way here from Lancaster. This song's called Jamie Just. And these fucking three girls marched right directly into the middle of the pit and fucking salute the
air. Oh, no. Holy shit. Are you fucking kidding me? So they're sing-hailing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? You're like, never mind. Fuck the girls from Lancaster. Fuck Lancaster. Jesus. What about the blood vessels?
You see the fucking Filipino that's singing the song, right? Why are you saluting the air?
And the two half-Mexicans playing
guitar. Yeah, and the two half-Mexicans that are fucking up on stage. Oh, the blood capsules. Did you already
tell them the blood capsules story? No, Stu just asked that while you were talking, so you didn't hear him say it, but he said, well, tell me about the blood capsules.
I heard that. I was wondering if you already told
it or not. Oh, okay, okay,
okay. So, that song, I remember. Yeah, yeah. So Joe and I always said, that was a song that I think Tony wrote that one.
Yeah, that's the one song Tony wrote.
That's the one song that Tony wrote. And Joe and I just thought it was so corny, cheesy, like bubblegum punk. There's something about it. We just thought it was so cheesy and we didn't want to do it. And so Tony loved it. He really wanted to do it. So Joe and I pre-planned it. We have blood capsules.
And right when we were in the middle of the song, we fucking put our foots up on the fucking floor monitors and started like banging our heads in sequence like it's a fucking kids concert and opened our mouths and had fucking blood coming out. And Tony is totally fucking into the song, seeing the crowd. He just turns around and sees us and just fucking walks away. Fucking walks towards the drum. Like we have blood coming from our mouths. Yeah.
She's so good. What else do you want to get into? We got an hour out of Forrest. Wow, that's great. We can go into the OOT stuff if you want. Yeah, I don't have it on my paper. That page didn't print for me. Let me see. Like I told everyone, I'll start editing the podcast once we get to 100 Patreons. Yeah, so then you do Critchin next, which is basically the same lineup, no? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's without Chris. It's without Joey. It's without me.
Yeah, so this is where Chuck makes his entrance.
Yeah, Chuck comes in, and we had Fred Dixon on base. And because I had told Tony, I'm like, we can't... Well, this isn't No Repute. It's not No Repute. So we decided to reform. And we're basically still doing the songs from And Now and writing new songs, but we're just doing it under a different name. And we got, I think, better reviews over it because it wasn't called No Repute, if that makes sense. Like... you know, we play somewhere as a repute and people expect that's not, you know, repute.
So when we did it under the name Critchin, it kind of, the song stood on their own. Like it wasn't, you know, trying to be something it wasn't. And where did, where did
that name come from? Oh,
shit. Should I tell the story? God
damn it. Well, yes, you might as well. If it's off limits, we don't, we don't have to bad mouth anybody. Yeah, yeah, no. I don't want to
tell a story. All right. I'll tell you in private. It's actually a pretty funny story.
Forrest, are you willing to tell the story for the Patreons? For what? For the Patreons. He doesn't understand. Oh, there's a small amount of people that donate money to the podcast to help the cause, and I like to do little side things for them sometimes. Sure. Okay, let's do that. Alright, we're back. Total little story for the Patreons. If you want to get in on that stuff, hit it up, dude. Patreon.com slash 185 miles south. And we're back in.
We're talking about a time that Christian was up at... No, no, no, this is Ilra Pute. Ilra Pute is up in Tahoe. The And Now lineup, and we're playing in Reno. You're staying at a house in Reno. We're playing in Reno, staying at a house in Tahoe.
Yeah, we're a bitchin' fuckin' house in Tahoe, but the thing is, our bass player at the time, Chris, it was his dad's house, but the thing is, the house is like, it's a summer house, so like, the lights were on a timer, to where it made it look like people were staying there and stuff, but The water heater was turned off, so we had to go down. It was a dirt floor basement. We had to go down and try and figure out how to light the water heater so we could have some hot water.
But the thing is, the light switch was fucked up to where if you turned it all the way on, it was off. If you turned it off, it was off. So you literally had to hold the light switch in the center to keep the light on. So I'm on light switch duty. In the basement.
And the door was on the spring. So it slammed shut. Yeah, I'm just adding some details for you,
sorry. Yeah, yeah. So the door's shut. It's fucking dark as fuck. I'm holding this light switch. And Joe and Tony Cortez are over there trying to light this fucking water heater. They're trying to figure it out. And I look down, and there's a dead tarantula on its back. It was kind of cooled up. on the ground the
size of my fist it was
it was huge and just so you know but just so you know Tony and Joe both are deathly afraid of spiders yeah right so I'm holding this
light I wrote a song about it eight eyes on me
yeah so I'm holding this light on and I'm like and you have a stick hey guys what's that and they both like literally kept towing up to this fucking thing as cautious as possible
Tony
had the stick and they both Yeah, they're both leaning over it. And Tony goes to kind of poke it with the stick. And I shut the light off and ran out and closed the door. And you could hear them screaming like fucking little girls. Like shit's getting knocked over. Yeah. That's so good.
Yeah.
Cool. But that was kind of a fun trip.
Yeah. That's cool. Do you want to talk about Caught Off Guard? Sure. Joe, what do you want to say about Caught Off Guard? Well, I wasn't in it, this version of it. What version were you in? Well, like I said, Forrest and I wrote these three songs in between Spin the Voodoo and Clinch Fist. Okay. And one of them was called Caught Off Guard. Oh. Yeah. Which became the L.A. Butte song, whichever one that was.
Yeah. But then Forrest loved that name, so he just kept that name and then used it for this next band, this next generation of...
Yeah. I even had... It's so funny because Call of Guard, there were many... Because originally it was Me, Maureen, Joe were the original Call of Guard. And then I moved to Santa Cruz and I started a Call of Guard up there And then I moved back, and there's another caught off guard. I think we have more drummers than fucking Spinal Tap. But the lineup, for the most part, I think it was Larry White was the drummer.
But we had so many different fucking drummers in and out of that band before Larry White. But that was the days of the Narcore Manor. Oh. The greatest club
in the world.
Yeah, I mean, the... The band started before The Manor. But that was also when we decided to reform Critchin. But we decided the full name of Critchin after it reformed was The Almighty Passion of the Critchin Part 2 Electric Boogaloo featuring the Critchinettes. That was the whole name. It kind of became a parody of itself. We had backup singers. We had the Critchinettes. So we had female backup singers and stuff. Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, we were covering, like, Rhinestone Cowboy, and we did YMCA from the Village People, is the whole thing.
Sounds terrible.
Yes,
yeah. It was
funny. Yeah, at that point, it wasn't really serious anymore. You
don't say. The village
people. We did one at the Narcore Reunion show. We played Rhinestone Cowboy and Tony Cortez was actually wearing a Rhinestone Cowboy hat when we did it. Sick. But no, that point in time, the whole Narcore Manor, that was like... It was a... I had a fucking blast, but I mean, some of the debauchery that fucking took place, I'm surprised I fucking lived through. Do
we need, do we need to get back to the Patreon side of this thing?
Yeah. Hmm. It's funny. Like the, some of the, like, I don't know, like I remember, uh, there was one time I think Jackass was practicing and, And this model used to come over a lot. And, you know, the kids from, uh, well, they're not kids anymore, but, um, uh, keep fighting. They would practice there. And cause I would do like, you know, 20 bucks an hour for any band that wanted to come into practice and they could use the stage and blah, blah, blah, and so on and so forth.
But I remember keep fighting came into practice when they walked in, there's a table downstairs. And like I said, uh, Jackass has just practiced. And when they walked in, the table, I'm sitting there with basically Pete Finestone from Bad Religion, John Fanniff, Ismail, and Sammy Town from Bang. And I think at the time he was dating Natasha, the drummer for Chicks Pack. And while I was sitting there talking, everybody's telling stories and shit.
And these kids, they had to be like, 16 or something at the time. And they come in and they're hearing these fucking stories. They stood there in the fucking corner, just listening. They never went upstairs. They never fucking plugged their shit in. And they tried to pay me 20 bucks. I was like, dude, you guys haven't even fucking practiced. They're like, no, we're just kind of fucking hanging out.
Cause that place is, I loved it so much because there was that type of just, you know, the people that you grew up fucking idolizing are now just fucking hanging out, you know, and just, it was, it was kind of a, it was a fun time. Yeah. But like I said, the parts of it that I'm surprised I fucking lived through because I know I was never really a drug guy, but then all of a sudden people started showing up, bringing drugs. Like I was sponsored.
I never had to pay for shit, but people just wanted to fucking hang out. So that's actually when I started doing drugs and Thankfully, I haven't fucking touched that shit in fucking 15 years or something. I don't know. Still drink. Smoke my cigarettes, you know.
Yeah, well, In Control played the Narco Manor. That was an awesome show.
There is a fucking picture. It's actually on my Facebook thing. If you look at Ryan stage diving out of my bedroom onto the crowd.
Yeah, I was actually going to bring up if you live there or not. Yeah, he
lives there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a 600-square-foot loft above the stage, and that was my bedroom. Yeah, I lived there. That was my house. That's
right. And now, is that the reason why the Nod Crow Manor stopped existing?
No, it's funny. The rent was always paid. Everything was always cool. But the problem was, directly across the street... was the office of my landlord. And I was throwing shows and just, like, the debauchery that was going on there. Like, he just got to the point where, yeah, he just had enough. And I don't fucking blame him for some of the shit that was going on there. So, yeah, basically, I just ended up getting kicked out and had to fucking split.
So, let's talk about your current band, Out of Trust. Awesome band that you do with Joe Revis and also with Maury that's been on the show and a guy you were in several bands with, Donovan.
Yeah, it's okay. Actually, a funny thing is the lineup is basically Quench Fist with Joe because Maury, Donovan, and I were at the band for Quench Fist. Yeah. And so it's great to like, there's something about that, like, and I've always said this, like, I've been blessed in the respect, like, I have unwittingly, like, unknowingly, somehow managed to be with some of the best drummers in Ventura County. I mean, the first drummer I ever played with was Pika, right? Yeah. It's like, yeah.
And then, you know, playing with Donovan, but there's something about Donovan and I together it clicked like almost every drummer I ever played with I'm like oh so right here if you go into half time or right here double time oh this part if you leave with the snare or like whatever like you know cause I I'm kind of an asshole when it comes to songs like no right here is what I hear and if you do this here and that there I've donovan just like knows like oh so he'll just play i'm like yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah like i don't have to tell him anything
yeah it's hard finding a language but you but when you're writing a song with a drummer you you have to like find that common language
yeah then of course there's mori like i said it's like an asshole that just rips on everything so it's like fucking just go just go dude yeah yeah and then joe and i it's just funny because we have been even though like we haven't played together a lot in band, we've been writing songs together for 30 years. I don't know. I've been dating myself. Yeah. So I don't know. It's, I'm very, very happy with this band. And a lot of it just has to do with just who's in it. You know what I mean?
It's, uh, everything about it, it's family. Do you know what I mean? Like, like it, it's all musicians that I love playing with, but it's all the musicians I've always loved playing with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I love everything about it except you, so.
Well, no, I mean, my shit sucks. I'm just glad to be in the
band.
Yeah.
Anything else you want to touch on, Forrest?
Um, no, I mean, that's, I don't
know. Well, we've covered your discography, your musical career. We've talked about a whole bunch of other side stuff, too. Okay. Anything else you want to throw in there, though? Anything you want to talk about?
Did you already touch on the Isla Vista riot?
No, not really. Huh.
Well, there's the Isla Vista riot.
Let's wrap it up on the Ira Loomis. Soft close. 95... 95. We had a friend, Missy, who was going to UCSB in some frat or some shit. What are girl frats? Fraternity. Sororities. Okay. And then she invited us to bring some bands up to play Ivy the week before Halloween, I think, something like that. So we brought everybody. So F.A.Y., Clutch Fist, Bring Dog, I think Pig Alley too, right? No, I thought... I think No Motive made sure that... No, they didn't play. Okay. But anyway, we...
Everybody played. It was ridiculous. Bernie Dog was the quote-unquote headliner. We were just playing the last, that's all.
We're in a fenced-off yard, which is shoulder-to-shoulder fucking people. But if you looked over the fence, there was a good 100 kids pitting in the middle of the street. There was a slam pit in the middle of the street. The people who were in the yard weren't even half the people that were actually there. They just couldn't fucking get in. It was pretty gnarly.
And then the cops show up at midnight. Literally at midnight they were there. We were going into some song. I'm playing and I look up and I see the cop Oh, okay, cool. We know the drill.
Yeah,
we're from Oxnard. No problem. Just start turning our stuff off. I hit John because he's still playing because he's still looking at the guitar. He's like, dude, I'm playing it right. I'm like, no. Because they were on mushrooms. Him, Maury, and Dave were on mushrooms that night. And he was fucking up other songs. And then he goes, no, no, I'm playing it right. I'm a look, dude. He's like, oh, oh, cops. Oh, okay, cool. And then he just, you know, we just turn our shirt off.
Well, right when that, like when that transition between the cop going, okay, cool. These guys know the drill. It starts to turn around. This fight comes out the front door of a Wyoming guy and some Santa Barbara dude or who knows where that guy was
from. Yeah. Well, the thing is in the cops, Jump on our friend Jason Clinchoff.
No
names. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Names
are fine. Go for it. Fuck it. Yeah, but his girlfriend at the time, Sally. Way past the statute of limitations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know all this stuff. Yeah, his girlfriend at the time, Sally, was
eight or nine months pregnant. You know what I mean? She was, like, ready to pop.
She was ready to pop, yeah.
Yeah, and she runs up and tries to pull the cop off of her boyfriend. The cop turns around and shoves her to the ground. That was fucking it. These cops got their fucking asses kicked, dude. The
Whiny Me guys just lost it.
Yeah, yeah, and just started fucking these cops up.
Loud Hound was the other band. Oh, yeah, Loud Hound. Maybe I should pluck that name. It's all
right. One of the cops comes up to the microphone, and at this point, like... Okay, no more names from here on, but their fucking belts were empty. Like, a friend of mine got one of their guns. Like, there was a flashlight. Radios. Yeah. Yeah. So, at this point, there's fucking kids in the street trying to overturn a fucking cop car. Did they call them back up?
Yeah, real quick. They called them back up. So, they had the cops with the shields. Yeah. Yeah, full riot gear showing up. All the riot gear showing up. Yeah. To clear the street because they were flipping cars over and lighting them on fire.
Sure.
and this one cop comes up to the fucking microphone
the girl
cop yeah girl cop she's like that's why you guys you're from Oxnard and you're nothing but ghetto ghetto trash and as she's talking you can see you can see her eyes swelling and getting bigger you guys are just ghetto trash from Oxnard yeah yeah it's like yeah But the funny thing is, I think at that time, Mateo was living in, I want to say Arizona or something, and called the Rossmoor house to see if we'd heard anything about a riot. And I was just like, oh, fuck yeah, we kind of caused that.
Yeah, no, we were there.
He'd heard about it in fucking Arizona. so later it's fucking wild so as we're burning dog as we're tearing our gear down because we brought the PA and everything the cops come back and like we're gonna you know to John burning John they're like we're gonna we're gonna arrest you for inciting this riot and like John's on mushrooms like freaking out like what oh my god yeah And they're all, stay here. We'll be right back. Yeah. Sure, buddy. Sure. So they leave.
And then John comes to me like, Joe, what do I do? And I'm all, let's switch clothes. I mean, because we had the same build. Yeah. Especially back then. I was still skinny. So I'm all, just give me your beanie. Give me your jacket. And get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And then they came back. And they're like, OK, we're going to take you. I'm all, what do you mean? You're going to take me? Take me where? What are we doing? Yeah. Because I'm. The only sober person probably in Isla Vista.
Yeah. In all of Isla Vista. In that fucking zip. You're the only sober person that has zip code, I think, at that fucking point. Yeah. Except maybe the cops themselves, but they're probably on something. No, they're all con code. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, so then, you know, and then we're out in the street, because they take me out of the yard and down to the car, and they're going to try to put me in the car. Yeah. And, like, my brother Davi, we just talked to a little while ago, is like...
Ready to like fucking just attack these cops along with the rest of our friends. They're just like waiting for this to happen. Yeah. And I'm just making the cops look like idiots because we didn't do anything. They're trying to say that we were saying, you know, fuck the police, kill the police, all this stuff. I said, you guys can do this. You can take me in. But we recorded this whole thing because we were getting ready for the record. So we were recording all of our live performances.
So we could just listen to it and rip it apart. Obviously, this would have been terrible to listen to because they were so fucked up. But we had it. We had the whole thing. And the only thing you hear me saying on the tape is like, everybody calm down, calm down, get out of here. Not fuck the police or fucking riot or anything like that. Wow. Well, that was a great story. That's a great story. And no one got arrested. A whole bunch of people
got arrested. Oh, no, a
lot of people got arrested. Okay,
okay.
Yeah, we didn't. We all got, okay, but, yeah, there were a lot of arrests made that night. Oh, yeah, it was like, Jesus Christ. A fucking miracle. You know, we had Last in Line play, too. That was the other band. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Other friends of ours, Windy Me Kids, that didn't really last very long, but one of those, actually, the two brothers got arrested. Mm-hmm. Some other people. All right. Fuck. That's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Forrest, thanks for being on. Oh, no problem.
We can always do follow-up story time. We should. Yeah. Yeah. I think we should probably have you be recurring. If
you guys want stories, I can go all fucking
night. It's almost my bedtime.
Yeah. Yeah, me too.
alright
well you guys have a nice night
yeah man thanks so much alright see you later bye are we doing this or you wanna move on let's see what we're gonna do here yeah man so actually I think let's wrap this one up for the week we got that was a lot and I feel like I learned some things I learned a lot of shit yeah Joe, do you think you learned anything? Yeah. I mean, I lived through most of that with these guys. Yeah. So, yeah, definitely, you know.
Refreshed your
memory. Refreshed my memory on some of the stuff I forgot. Yeah, it was fun to get tripped on memory lane. I wasn't always with my brother because he was living down. See, fucking God damn it. Third time. It's late, dude. Yeah. He was living down in the valley, and I was up here, so I didn't get to hang out with him a lot. So there's a lot of that stuff that he talked about that I didn't. I mean, I was aware of peripherally, but it was really cool to hear a bunch of that stuff.
Yeah, no, it was fun. Yeah, it's just cool to see where music was at that time and creating something new so they have to merge genres together and seeing people make it work. and fucking just taking it. For the rap, rock, and metal, though, man, 91, that is really early because I think the Inside Out 7-Inch is 1991. So it's like Rage isn't even starting a demo yet. No, not even. And the body count stuff, that really surprised me, too. I feel like they were the first to do that.
Yeah. He didn't get into that, but they rehearsed next door to Body Count when Body Count finally started playing. They moved into the place next door to Kureta Osawa. Oh, wow. Yeah, so they would hang out with him all the time and exchange ideas and that kind of stuff a little bit. Oh, shit. Not exactly directly, but, you know. Yeah. They hung out. Like between songs, they would go play basketball, you know? Yeah. Ice-T and my brother fucking... Dunking on each other?
I don't know about dunking. Neither of them could do that. Maybe they just played horse. Yeah. Yeah. That's a friendly game of hoop. Yeah. A friendly game of hoop. But nobody worked harder than my brother there in the 90s. Yeah. That I knew. Well, especially with what he was talking about, like, you know, dudes getting fired from the band and, like, the label pressure and stuff. I mean, it's like you're fighting for your spot, you know, and keeping your chops up, right? Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, but once he left, the band just fell apart because the label dropped him and all that because they knew he was the one writing, if you will, the hits. He told you the Mr. Mr. and he was the principal one on that. Hey, dude, they're like, no Davi, no fucking deal. Yeah, I'd agree. He slaps that shit. I'm not saying he did it all himself. I just, you know. He's the one that pushed that stuff. Yeah, no Revis, no Marlboro Contract.
Because he brought that hardcore influence into that music, where the other guys were Randy Rhodes-type guitarists and stuff like that that were trying to do something different. Yeah, they're like... And they're all great musicians. They were phenomenal musicians. But he's the one coming in with the punk ethics and the meat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, anyway. That was fun. Really enjoyed that one. I hope people enjoyed that. And we're going to continue to get people on from that era.
We've got to get Rob Calvert. We've got to get Pika. Yeah. We've got to get a bunch of people. So we'll do it. Let's go. Patreon up, people. Yeah, come on. No. Try to fly this guy out now. Yeah, I know. Dude, if I could fly from San Diego to NARD. Dude, you made it. You can't anymore. Because the Osnard Airport used to fly to San Diego, but now it is only a hub for NARD to LAX. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it's only like one airline, I think. You could fly to Santa Barbara.
Oh, I could fly San Diego to Santa Barbara? Yeah. That would help a little bit. I needed this fucking – I love to have my car because, like, if I'm here for the weekend. But, dude, this weekend I literally had an hour, you know, like just an hour to go to Grady's. When you went to the record store, right? Yeah, because it was like I woke up.
We did Jeff, and then, yeah, it was 3.30, and, like, I had one hour, you know, to, like – Because I thought I was going to buy burritos and then come and do this. Hey, enough fucking crying. There's no crying in podcasting. Hey, Nardcore.