35. Calling Nardcore

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all right so this week what we're trying to do is we're trying to document a weird five years of nardcore that most people don't know about Isn't that the next one? Oh, that's the next one. This episode is going to be another fun episode with Joe, Stu, and

myself.

Yeah. My Nardcore buddies. No, that one we can keep on. Hey, I'll edit this stuff once I get 100 Patreons, like I tell everyone. But yeah, we're just going to have some fun and call a bunch of dudes that we love that are from the scene or that were our friends and get them on and get a little bit of their story and Or they can sing whatever they want or do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah. Just giving some dudes some shine that we love. Who do you guys want to start with?

Yeah.

Oh, wait, I forgot. I gotta try to connect. I thought you did. Try it already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, not connected. Dead air. I know. God damn it. Yeah, it's not going for some reason. I don't know why. Like, my fucking phone cannot connect to this thing. Let me reboot. Alright. Oh, yeah! Joe coming through. Joe coming through with that expert advice. Turn it off and turn it back on. That's how you fix electronics. IT magic right there. But yeah, let's do this. Let's call Ray Kravitz.

twice.

Hey, we're trying to search for Sir Raymond Crevice.

This

is him. Hey, what up, Ray? Ray. You're on the pod with myself and Stu from Omega Point. What up? And also the legend Joe Revis. Right. What's up, Ray?

Hey, so how's everyone doing, man? You guys been doing pretty good?

Yeah, man. We're good. Just had a burrito taste test right now. Taco de Mexico and Burrito de Mexico. Yeah, what's the best burrito in Oxnard, Ray? Well, I'd say a

TDM.

That's right. Which location? Which location?

Well, the old school one, man. It would be a fifth grade or something.

Seventh, right? It's not fifth. He's saying the fifth one, yeah. That's a good choice. So, Ray, did you grow up there? Man, I tell you, man. When I moved out of California, I went through burrito withdrawal, man. Do they have someone that attempts it out there? You're in Florida, right? No. No, I'm in West Virginia.

Parkersburg, West Virginia. There it is. It's like the closest real taco shack burrito. It's about a 40-minute drive.

But, I don't know, he didn't originally, man, like, they'd give you, like, a fork with every burrito. And one day I just broke down and had, like, this potion, like, an emotion,

like, breakdown. Like, hey, man, I need a burrito with everything in it. You

know,

he'd

do that. Yeah. Yeah. I was in, I'm trying to think where we were, in Pennsylvania. Yeah. It was, oh, we were in Uniontown, Pennsylvania, which is, like, pretty close to the West Virginia border. And, yeah, I went and got Mexican food, and it was terrible. Like, I'm not picky. I'm not one of those guys that's like, oh, pizza from there sucks. Like, pizza's always pretty good. You know, like, what's a bad pizza? Like, a C? But this is like level F food. Like white rice and baked beans?

yeah, dude. It's definitely not spicy. It's pretty bland. If you buy a burrito, all the stuff's outside the burrito, and maybe the steak and cheese is inside of it or something, you know?

That's

crazy. Yeah, it's

weird, man. Maybe that's an opportunity for you, though, Ray. You got to start a burrito spot.

Save people.

Yeah, or like a... Yeah, save them. Yeah, for real. I mean, like, is there any sort of food truck stuff out there at all? I haven't seen any. Well, there is. There's a Filipino food truck out here. Oh, see, that's all right. I haven't had anything from it. But is it popular? Yeah. That's what I'm talking about, dude. Yeah. Burrito food truck. If you could get away with doing a burrito food truck, you'd be styling. Oh, yeah. Like mom and pop's tacos in Ventura is like fire, dude.

I did for most of my life, man. At first, I went to

Laguna Vista, and I went to Lindenwood for, like, elementary. And then from, like, fifth grade to, I'd say, tenth grade, we

moved out to Pondwell. Pondwell, Lancaster did. And, well,

even actually third grade, I was, like, kind of out there in Palmdale and stuff. But, yeah. We moved out there in sixth grade. I went to action for sixth, seventh, and eighth, and then Palmdale for ninth and tenth. And then

I moved back to Oxguard and went to Rio Mesa

and then BC. What was the first heavy metal album you bought? The first heavy metal album I bought? I have to say it was probably Peace of Mind from Iron Maiden. Yeah, sick. And what year do you think you bought it? Oh, that was in sixth grade. That and I also bought the, I know I had a bunch of ACDC. I know I had a lot of the crew. I went through the whole, like, butt rock phase

until I discovered Slayer and went from there.

Do you still like Shot of the Devil, though? It's still a good record, don't you think? Oh, yeah,

man.

Yeah, I still think the first two are good records. They get played in the

shop. Yeah.

I

watched that

movie, Dirt, that they did. I thought that was pretty good. It was pretty entertaining, huh? Yeah. It was like watching the NWA movie. It's like you're watching the cookie-cutter, after-school special version. Yeah. They try to make it a little edgy so you feel like you're watching something, but it's like, oh, this is so whitewashed. You know there was a lot more that happened. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. But... Yeah,

I actually, I kind

of, I did some thinking about, like, the whole, you know, how did I get into the punk rock and rockcore and stuff. And it was

kind of, like, crazy, man. Like, when I lived out there, I wasn't expecting to move back to Oxford. I was in Palmdale. And when I did live in Palmdale,

I lived in a 27-foot motorhome with my mom and dad. And we lived in, like, some trailer park type thing.

And... I'll never forget it, because I was all bummed out, like, man, I'm moving to fucking Austin, or... And there's a guy that lived there that was, like, an older, straight-edge,

metal punk rocker dude. And he was like, oh, you're moving to 9th floor? You're gonna want it!

He was like, seriously, this guy was like a shaman, dude. Like, we sat at some, like, campfire type thing. And he was, like,

playing, like, Overpute. Like, y'all, you know, he was, like, playing Kind of American Kids. You're going to love this, you know? And, like, Dr. No. He had all of it, man. Yeah, I was John Fanaf when he had long

hair.

Pretty much.

And this guy, like, told my future, man. He was, like, you're going to go down there, and you're going to go to shows, and you're going to start a band, and you're going to become friends with all these guys.

And sure enough, man, like in two years' time of moving back to Oxnard, I did. I went to shows. My first Oxnard show was Ill or Pute, Good Riddance, and Strung Out. No, it wasn't Strung Out. It was Good Riddance. I know it was Good Riddance and Ill or Pute. It was... get the name of the place now. It was

downtown area. They had like a towel floor. Some girl like thrashed her leg at it. That was on B Street. The old Bank of A. Levy. Yeah. They're on B and 9th or something. Yeah. It was like 95? Yeah. Yeah. That's sick. 95. Did you go in the pit? Yes. It was slippery as hell. Of course you did. Yeah. Because it threw water, Eric Lanzano threw water on the floor, so they were all slipping, slipping slag. That's crazy. So, Ray, what year did you start Crevice?

It was that same year. It was by 95. What's even crazier about that is, like, so here it

was, like, I was

in the side of, you know, like, all right, man, I'm going to start a

band and all that stuff. And the same time that happened, I was out in Palmdale. I did my first show up there. And I was with the guys from Dead Rat. We did, like, a makeshift set for, like, a friend of mine that just passed away. And it was, like, a small

riot, man. Like, even before we played, we got beat up by a mariachi band. It

was insane. That's awesome. Yeah,

man.

That was a sign of good things to come, huh? Sign of the chaos to

come. Well, that night, man, after all that happened, I was like, all right, I want

to start a band. And I forced it, man. I found a bunch of kids that were doing the talker covers,

and

I dragged them to L.A. and showed them what Death Bell was, and I was like, come on, man, we can do this. Do you remember what show did you take them to? It was at the anti-club.

Believe it or not, it was when

Cold Chamber was playing.

Okay.

And it was like before they had that dude, Des, or whatever his name

is, singing for them. And that blonde-haired chick was playing bass, and there was like a fight in the crowd over. And it was the first LSU I took them to. And

it was at the anti-club. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah. It was rough, man, at first, man. Like... Like, you know, it's like, you know, sometimes it was like I felt unloved a little bit, you know, like, you know, come on, man, book us, you know, let's do the show. I mean, I remember one time it was like a no-motive gig, man, and like a band that was headlining didn't

show up, and I called Vince, and I'm like, come on, dude, let's fucking play, dude, you

know?

And sure enough, we

did get a chance to play a little bit that night, you know, but it was like, it was hard at first, man, you know, like, I mean... I think that the most desperate thing I ever did was start having shows at this place that was like a loading dock for a Union 76 office. Yeah. And we called it the Secret Car Wash, and that was fucking cool, man.

Secret spot?

Yeah,

yeah, the secret spot.

Yeah, so you were the catalyst for that thing? Yeah. That's sick. Dick's Circus played there, right? Dick's Circus, all the... We played there, Burning Dog did. Crevice, obviously. Hey. Hey. Yeah. Crevice, obviously. We had a couple of touring bands play there. Yeah. Who? Really weird. Profane existence bands, because they were, you know, whatever, attached to, like, those. Shout out Minneapolis. Yeah. That's sick. That's sick? Yeah, it was pretty cool.

It was something like a teen idol type

thing, maybe. I don't know. I don't remember the name exactly. Yeah, those kids played out there, too, and then they were all mad. Yeah. The other teen idols, the pop punk one. Yeah. And they were all mad. Why? I don't know, because nobody liked them. It was a loading dock. Yeah. Well, that's what you get on tour. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty cool. At least there was people there. Right? They got real bitter. Oh, yeah. Well, kick rocks. It's like, bring it. I know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, anyway.

shoot. Probably the first time I salt sweared, it was at the palace.

Okay.

And it was...

The same night that played was also, like, Bauhazard and Machine Head. It was just a ridiculous metal show.

What album were they touring on?

It was during a fucking, I believe it was probably Seasons of Biz at the

time. Oh, the best. That's crazy. Best absolute of the time. That rules. Hey, that's the best live album ever, right? The Slayer? The double disc? Oh, the double disc? Oh, dude, that thing rules, yeah. By far. By far. Have you guys seen his play on this last tour they're doing? I have not. How was it? You know my feelings. No Jeff, no

Slava. Well, I still support

him, man. I've seen him three times in the last year. And, you know, I enjoy it, you know, doing a good

set. I must say, like, I was really stoked I got a chance to see Cannibal last time with him. That was, like, one of the best Cannibal sets I've seen.

Yeah, the last year when I saw Cannibal, that was the best I've ever seen Cannibal. They were so good.

Yeah, it was something real mature about the way they did it. You know, it wasn't like, it didn't seem like it was forced. And, you know, it just felt better, you know.

This past time I saw Maiden was the best I've ever seen him. Dude,

that's

the best Bruce has ever sounded since I've seen him. I mean, the first time I ever saw him would have been 99 or 2000, whatever the Brave New World album was. But this is the best I've ever heard him sound. It's amazing. I've never seen him live. I missed it. You gotta go next time. Peace. He's looking like that comedian, though, off of fucking HBO. Yeah. Fucking Phil Murray or whatever. He was wearing some outrageous shit. Like, what the fuck is going on here? But that's him, dude. That's him.

Yeah.

But yeah, that's cool, man. So when the shaman in Lancaster was foretelling your future, he was like, you're going to move to Nard. You're going to make friends. You're going to be in a band. What did he say? Don't go to that Creep Division show. I

think, honestly, I think what happened was the metal gods slapped me that day I went to that Creep Division F-minus show.

I know,

I

know.

Like, you know, cause that's what I, I stepped out of bounds for a bit. I

did a punk band for a while, the shot in the face, you know,

and it

was like kind of like initiation. Like, if you're going to do that, Ray, we're going to blow

your

knee out. And, uh, that was, that was a, that was a fuck that night, but I had fun that night too, the same time. Like,

like, I don't know if Mike's ever said anything to you guys, but he gets me to the hospital and Mike Woodgrain's with me, like a fucking good bro. And he's sitting in the waiting room with me, you know, like the little room they give you type

thing, you know.

And just the

fuck with Mike, I was like, hey, Mike, would you hold my hand, dude?

I was like, is

this cool? Is this cool, man? Like, he totally was like, and he does it. And I was like, you want to hold my cock, too? And

he's like, oh, fuck. That's great.

Yeah, I mean, I always thought that was the wildest thing about you going down to that show. It's like the man that has survived every pit on earth goes down at kind of like a fun punk rock show. Yeah. Like a small, fun pit. Oh, dude, it was such a weird break feeling, too. I mean, it wasn't like a hurt or nothing. It was just like I just felt like my legs collapsed. Like what exactly happened? My knee just located out of it, man.

Hey, at least Eddie gave me a Creep Division sweatshirt. Yeah.

Well, Craig understood. He knew how much you were hurting. Craig's a singer in Creep Division because he's got a blown-out knee, too. So he and I would share our braces on tour. Oh, fuck. It's intimate. Oh, that's cute, yeah. Yeah. So, Ray, you got any other scene memories that you want to talk about?

Well, I

guess I think my biggest accomplishment in the narrative playing was Well, I mean, Travis was, of course, like, doing the death metal type thing, doing the first in the area, trying to get, you know, shows in that category.

Then what I was doing was shot in the face, man. Our thing was that we had a cop,

like, at every show, and we had actually 12 cop cars raid our fucking practice space when we had, like, a smash party there. Jesus. You know, 179 kids with, like, alcohol and axes and hammers and everything to smash everything up. 8 o'clock happens and the cops raided in on us. And I thought I was going to jail that night. They

were like, hey, you know, you're here to see. And they'd point at us and point at me like, that guy. And I was like, fuck, I'm going. I gave my keys to Adam. I was like, now I'm going, dude. You know, I'll accept this. But we had permission to be there, so we kind of got away with that. You could

have just put on a baseball hat and blended in.

Yeah. No, the DRI hat was like a fucking beacon, dude.

Yeah, that's right. You had that DRI hat. I still have the DRI hat. That's amazing. Fuck yeah. Hey, that's the mascot band of this pod. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who am I? Who am I? DRI. DRI.

Right?

Oh, yeah.

And then, you know, like, you know, from years later, though, I mean, like, you know, of

course, like, you know, Encoma was actually the last band I did as an artist, but there was actually a second run of Encoma. The first time I did Encoma was with Tyler Castro and then, of course, Vince Dickhead from Crevice and then Mike from Eat, Shit, and Die, which what I was also in at the beginning was Eat, Shit, and Die. And... that was, that was in coma.

which was kind of, kind of, kind of cool. I

guess, uh, Henry from aggression taught Sean how to play guitar. And it was kind of a weird, like, you know, like last cool man was like, and Sean, the face of played lots of shows with aggression, got a chance to meet Henry, you know,

And then Sean's like, yeah, that's the guy that taught him how to play. And I was like, whoa, that's

cool, man. What a,

you know, tight knit. And then Joe Billinger and Danny Fitz. And then you got Mike from Crevice, you know, or, you know, You Shouldn't Die is, you know, the fucking come in. And that was a fun band until, of course, until things raveled apart. But the I never will probably ever live down the church show.

The church show. Do you know about the church show? No, so tell the story. Yeah, tell the church show story, Ray.

Well, that was seriously like, I was surprised again I didn't go to jail or anything before. So here we are, we're playing a church, man, and the promoter of the church is bragging about how they're going to pull the plug on us. And...

Why did they have the show then? They didn't know what they were in for. Oh, word. Yeah. Word. So, like, I totally got, like, the attitude. I

was like, give him a fucking fat guy. I'll give him a fat guy. You know? And I went to...

I took my food stamps, went down to some place in Oxnard and bought a pig head for 23 bucks in food stamps. And, uh... Donned it up with like chicken bones and like, you know, food coloring and corn syrup, whatever, to try to like, you know, horrify it some more type thing. Hit it inside of a rubber bag container.

Like it's a merch box. Yeah,

yeah. So I get to the venue early. I don't even sign the contract or nothing like that. I drag like a six-pack of ice house out of the parking lot. Some kid comes up. Hey, man. And Clement rules, man, you want some mushrooms? I'm like, sure,

you know, just being cool, you know. And the kid, like, you know, I thought you'd like just give me like a little bit, you know, as a kid, you know. No, he had a fucking trash bag. He gives me like a handful of the damn

thing.

And I ate them right then, you know. Of course. We don't want to get caught with them. Right. And they're going to break apart in your

pocket anyways.

Yeah.

so anyways yeah i here it is like you know song three we're in and i'm already

like out of my small trip and and uh i i before we would set up i asked him hey can we take the crosses off the stage and i'll know and i was like well can we have more of them then and uh

and

uh

I set the crosses towards the front of the stage. I thought they were kind of great, like a Black Sabbath effect almost, you know? Yeah. So anyway, the show starts,

and then I play the song until they cut out the PA. And I yell at the band, go into the instrumental! They right away, like, you know, fucking go into the instrumental. I get the pig head out. And I think, like, you know, I mean, like, you know, I swing it around like it's, like, a morning star type thing, and I just, like, gave it to the crowd, the pig head. And the crowd's taking the pig head, and they're, like, throwing it all over the place. The pasture's

chasing it. I mean, I see this head getting a sore up in the air and shit. I'm even trying to grab it a few times. And I was like, man, how can I top this? And a voice in my head said, get fucking naked. And I was like, fuck yeah. let's do it. So

I fucking stripped down naked, man. And I was like, first I was doing like every Judas Priest pose I could do while I was naked. And then, you know, after Judas

Priest poses, I was like, all right, let's try T.T. Allen, you know? So I like spread my butt cheeks on the stage.

Holy shit.

The cross, man. One of the crosses on stage, I act like I was crucified naked. And then I act like I was masturbating on it. And then Pastor, like, tackled his cross to save it. And then I

finally got the pig head back. I act like I was, like, screwed the pig head. I threw that back at

the crowd. And then I got my clothes back on just at the end of the song. They're, like, pushing me out the door, you know. And as we're leaving the parking lot, the cops are pulling in.

And for, like, six months after that, I had to, like, dodge cops at shelves, man. Like, I would be, like, you know, we'd play a set, and I'd hear someone go, hey, ready the cops are out front. Oh, fuck, man,

I'm bailing

out. And so I called an entertainment lawyer. Like, what can I do, man, to, like, not get arrested for this, you know? Like, what can I do? And the entertainment lawyer was like, well, you got to do the same act a few times. So I was like, I got to do the same act. And he's like, well, you got to do something, you know, that's extreme. And then, you know, use that for your argument. But you should have known better before you got in

there. So

one of the shows,

man, I felt bad, man, that we were documenting me doing something gross. And it happened to be on Main Street. And Scott Portial and some chick, I forget her name, they put the show together. And we were playing with

some Swedish band. And I ended up, like, drinking the whole day. I ate, like, pizza. I mean, I was just, like, just gnarly partying the whole day. I even told Graham, like, hey, man, I can't really play this set. I got to do something gross. What should I do? And

Graham's all, puke in the pitcher and drink it. And I was like, done. I can do that. And, uh... And then I was like, I saw this guy that was doing

tattoos for the band. I was like, hey, man, that's what I'm doing, man. I got to drink my own juice. So let's try to do the top that. He's all sticky balls in it. I was like, all right, I can do that. And so I get on stage

and like, you know, we're wasted, sloppy, you know, playing all I was. And I showed up, and I puked in the pitcher. I filled the sucker up, drank it back down. Stuck my balls in it, though, before I drank it down. Half the crowd, like, takes off out of there, like, you know, like, you know, gagging or whatever from seeing me fucking puke and drinking it. And there was this one guy there. I didn't get his name. I've only ran into this guy, like, twice in my life or maybe three times.

Steve-O, but he was bigoted. He was like, fuck yeah!

Fuck yeah!

He was into

it. I was drinking my own vomit. And that was a pretty intense night. And I think Scott was a little upset with me. I even later thought about it. Like, fuck, man, we just ruined a new venue for Dan to play. Slightly. Yeah. Oh, man. All right, Ray. You got anything else? Yeah. Hey, real quick. Was Graham in that version of Incoma with you?

Graham was with Eat, Shit,

and Die. Okay, that was Eat, Shit, and Die. Okay, okay. Graham Cleese. Yeah,

with Shitty

Steve. Yeah, Steve. Oh, man. Shitty Steve. I miss that guy. Let's call him Shitty Steve. I miss that guy. Yeah, you don't want to do that. Yeah. Okay. I missed that guy, though. I heard his feelings really bad. I pulled his crank on him, dude, and it went bad. Well, let's hear the story. Like, well, what happened was, like, he shows up at the Kenji shack where I was staying, and we're all getting drunk and stuff.

well, that's my man juice, dude. I just, like, rubbed my juice on your cheek. And he's like,

that's fucked up, man. He got all pissed off. And this girl, Callie, like, smelt my hand. She goes, oh, it's real. You know? And she was like, fuck a little more, you know? And he got all pissed off. And Steve left the kidney check. And for, like, two weeks after that, he was telling everyone, like, Ray is so fucked up. He

rubbed jizz on my face. And I was like... What is he going around telling people this for, man? Like, you know, like,

girls were, like, calling me going, did you really do

that? Yeah. Oh, man. Holy shit. All right. Well, that's a good

note to end on. Yeah, I'd be pissed.

All right. You got anything for the mighty Ray Crevice, Stu? No, I think that sums it up. Ray, Ray. Ray, Ray. It's Joe. I love you, man. I miss you.

Yeah, I miss you guys, man. I miss the Nard.

Yeah, I miss your

art. Any Nard band comes out this way, man. I can help you guys get a show, man. Skatopia loves a lot of Nard bands. I mean, if it was any closer, man, that'd be a great place for Nard fest.

Hell yeah. Well, West Virginia is absolutely beautiful. When I was driving up to Uniontown, Pennsylvania, I'd never been through West Virginia, and so I made that my route. So I cut into it. I went through, what's the capital? Charleston? Charleston, yeah. Yeah, Charleston is absolutely beautiful. It looks just like Portland. It was absolutely beautiful. It

was really nice with the state.

Yeah, and then that drive from Charleston up to Pennsylvania is absolutely beautiful-ass America. That highway was awesome. You'd still go fast. I was going 65 in a 26-foot Penske or whatever. But it was nice and windy and beautiful and green. It was absolutely amazing. A lot of people shit on West Virginia because they feel good in their house and shit. But people should get out and travel and see all of America because it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

I did see something that was not here, though, when I first moved here. There was a No Motive sticker in the record store.

That's sick. Sick. Yeah, dude. That was fucking cool. I was like, fuck yeah.

And nowadays,

man, like

with the Night Demon, dude, I see their shirts at shows. I went when I was a maid and I saw Night Demon shirts. And, you know, I do this. It's like, man, you know, it's so great to see the Denard. It's still playing. And I heard, I just recently heard Nails recently. That fucking band, fucking dude was, you know. Todd Jones' band. Where the fuck did that come from? That thing's amazing.

Well, that came right from his soul. Yeah. All that darkness. All that IT guy darkness. Hell yeah, Ray. We were so glad to get you on the pod. That was good. Yeah.

Yeah, man.

All right. Thanks so much. And Joel, reach out to you to let you know when it's going to air and stuff.

Cool, man.

Cool. Thanks, Ray. Okay, Ray. See you.

Yep. Bye.

Later.

I hit the stop record button instead of the turn off the phone button. It was. And I haven't even had a drink yet. Speaking of, I'd like to go get ice. But who are we getting next? How about Chuck? He just messaged me. Oh, yeah. What are you guys calling? He's ready to go? He's ready to go. All right. Yeah, we'll do Chuck, then... David. David's at 630? Yeah. David and then Robert. Okay. Let me text Lance and let him know. You last, fool. We're still recording? Yeah, it's recording.

Loads.

Oh, The Loads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Loads. Chuck has been in Nada. He was in Burning Dog for a while. Chuck was in Caught Off Guard. No, not Caught Off Guard. In Critchin. Which other band were you in with DeForest and Tony? That

was it.

Yeah. And then you were also in the band with Dave Bush and Kippy. What was that? The Love Junkies?

The Love Junkies, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've been in Born Again, Atheist, Mother of Dissension. I filled in in The Last Priority.

Sick. I love that

band. I'm open to pretty much anything.

Well, because you're a fantastic drummer. Oh, I thank you. Chuck, how did you get the call to be in The Ill Repute? Like, how did that come about?

Uh...

Me and Tony had previously been playing with Forrest in Critchin, right? And then so Tony knew about me. And Ill Repute, the full original Ill Repute was getting back together.

For the Hickey benefit. Right.

Yeah.

Where was that? 2000? 01... Mark... Died in a one. That was the Rodeo Center in Winnie Mee. That's where it ended up finally, but it kept getting delayed and delayed. Okay. That's actually pertinent to the story of how Chuck got in. Oh, cool. I think. Right, Chuck? Because they were going to do it with Carl, but then it kept getting delayed and delayed, and then Carl's like, I'm out.

Yeah, Carl had a previous obligation, so he was having a hard time making a commitment to the band and the whatever the commitments the band had going on. So Tony called me and I pretty much knew after the first couple of sentences what he was asking and I told him, you know, I'll listen to the music and I'll be ready to audition and when do you want me? And he said, how about I can't remember how long it was, but it wasn't a very long time. It was maybe 10 days or two weeks.

Yeah.

And the rest is history. How

do you approach some of that stuff? Because the fast beat that Carl uses on What Happens Next is non-traditional.

Yeah.

I just think of it as a one-two beat.

Yeah.

You know, and there's no ands.

Yeah. The monkey beat. Yeah, it's a weird beat, right? Yeah, it's crazy. It reminds me of the first Suicidal record beat. It is. It is a little bit like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hard one. I can do do-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

That

was exciting. That night after I hung up the phone with Tony, I couldn't sleep.

Yeah, and

then you

get right to practicing the next day.

Oh, yeah. I was on it. I think I listened to the music. I listened to the CD three times the next day, and then the day after that, I set up my drums and I was practicing.

Yeah. And do you, so what was the first show you played with them?

Uh, the first show I played was, uh, all high

women's center. Right. Right. Which was going to be the, it was supposed to be the warmup show for the Mark Hickey, right? I don't know if it was the Mark show or the Henry show. I don't know. We're trying to piece this all together now. I think, I think, I think, I think the Mark show happened in. Yeah. And so they just waited till. Oh, The Henry show. Well, not waited, because they didn't expect Henry to die as well, but... But there was a couple years in between. Between shows?

Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, it's

a terrible

choice. Maury, I don't remember exactly what was going on. There was a medical issue with Maury.

A medical, that's a nice way to put

it. When he got

shot. When he got shot, yeah.

Oh, you got shot. That's right.

And

he got sent back east somewhere or something. And so I came to fill in. And

you did great. We played a couple shows with you, three or four shows. And then we had you record with us a couple songs because Maury came back and played. What was this? Okay, but this time with Feeling. Chuck plays a couple songs on that. Every Joe demo is done over a several year span. From Burning Dog to Out of Trust. I'm just going to move to Italy in the middle of this demo recording. I'll get to it when I'm back. I'll track second guitars later. Don't worry about it. It's cool.

don't know.

I'm getting

kind of reported about that too. Yeah. I don't know if it'll happen. I got my fingers crossed.

Yeah, that'd be so awesome. Oh, yeah. Because you are a part of Ill Repute now, the forebearers of Nardcore. I mean, we're so lucky to have a band like that that's so ripping still. Yeah, still.

I'm really surprised that it's become a popular thing, like the whole scene. People

just really care around here. Yeah. It's, yeah.

Yeah.

That's all it is. It's like, yeah, it's just, it's so deep and people just like get it around here and they just care to run with it and keep it alive. It's a little bit like, I think that with scenes that aren't like major, major cities, there's a little chip on the shoulder thing to where you're, you're, you might be a little more protective and also maybe a little more supportive of bands of one kind.

I

think what Joe's saying right now is, he already ghostwrote your record.

He's

like, let me... You know, he wrote And Now, but he wants a second shot. I didn't write And Now. He wants a second shot. I jammed that the other day. It was so good. Oh, you're on board now. I was always on board. Oh. Yeah. I thought you hadn't listened to that one. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Yeah. I didn't mean I was knocking it. Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. You didn't knock it. You just hadn't heard it. Yeah. Yeah. I wrote portions of some songs. Yeah. You wrote the... That was mainly Forrest.

an

artist. Yeah, no shit. Although that cover, you know, that came from the guy that died that I replaced in the band. So we used his artwork. Well, I just stepped into a giant turd. I think on that note, I'm going to go get some ice. Yeah. You want to pull that foot out of your mouth? I mean, I fucking love that album cover. It's super cheesy. I get it. But we wanted to tribute our friend that we lost. So that's why we used it. It was a seven inch for our punk rock bands. Who cares?

Well, you know, I've had this talent in my back pocket all my life. I never really practiced it and nurtured it. And it's just the past couple of years maybe I've really gotten into it and decided, you know what, I don't want to work my whole life. you know, which is, seems to be what people are doing these years. You don't, you don't retire anymore. You just work until you die. I don't want to, I don't want to work like that. So, you know, I, I'd rather do something that I like to do.

Yeah. Yeah. It's getting better. Every, every, every new thing you post looks better and better and better. I'm like, Oh man, that's so good. Yeah. Chuck, are you posting underneath your personal account or are you starting a business account for it? I actually, I'm, I'm a, I have an Etsy. I have a, an account on Etsy. Go ahead and shout out what that is. So they, so people can look.

Oh, it's a Chuck Schultz on Etsy.com.

Cool. Cool.

So just Google. And if, if, If you just Google Chuck Schultz artist, it comes up. Yeah. Spell your last name.

S-C-H-U-L-T-Z. All right. The most basic way. Just how it sounds. Yeah. Awesome. All right. So everyone needs to do that. Google Chuck Schultz art. Go on his Etsy page. And let's help the man fucking retire, dude. Yeah. Retire from shitty jobs and get to do his dream job. Just art and playing ill repute. Dude, art and ill repute. Yeah, what the fuck? And then we can all, all that shit we talked about not ever being jealous of other bands, we'll just be like, I fucking want Chuck's life, dude.

Fuck. Take my life now. Go dig in bitches, bro.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, you need that money, so you send Shelby to college. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, I'm a drummer, an artist, father, a husband, a model actor. I'm a writer, dancer, other. I do birthdays and weddings and bar mitzvahs, quinceañeras, sweet 16s, and funerals. That's great. I take cash, all major credit cards. Apple Pay

and PayPal. Bitcoin. Yeah. And he's a plumber. Unusual trades. Oh, sick. Yeah.

And I'll come over and poke through your shit for, you know. Literally. Snake your

bathtub. Well, that's great. Chuck, I was so excited to have you on. And now I'm trying to check off my full irrepute list. So yesterday I finally did Jimmy. And then, so I got all the original members. And now I got Chuck. Now we just got to do Libkey and Nishaya, I think. I guess we're going to do, we did Joe. Chris McGee. Okay, so we got to do Chris McGee. We got to do Forrest. We're going to get Forrest later tonight. We're going to get Forrest tonight.

Okay.

Yeah, so thanks so much for doing it, Chuck. Maybe Vallejo, too. Hey, no problem, man. Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, man. Anything else for Chuck, Joe? No, Chuck, thank you. Thank you for being available for this. Yeah, thanks so much for doing it. And thanks for keeping Ill Repute alive, dude. You the man.

I'll never leave. As long as Phil refuses to band, I will volunteer to be the drummer.

Fuck yeah. You know Stu plays drums too. All Stu wants to do also is do art and play drums. I just want to make flyers and rip Fred's style and fucking play drums. That's all I want to do. Alright, Chuck. Thanks so much. See you, buddy. Hey, good tip, Joe. What's that? About pointing at your phone. I was like, what is this? A time issue? We should sign, don't do this.

All right, sorry. Sorry about that. You

just have pencils and blank sheets of paper. You find in doing this stuff, doing things the slow way is actually the wrong way to do it. You're like, oh, if I fold this... burrito wrapping very slow and tucking in the bag very slow. It won't be so loud. It's just longer, dude. I should have just brought it up here and did it. It's just longer, dude. You've got to rip that band-aid. You want to take a pause and get some ice? Yeah, or you guys could share a chat and talk shit while I'm gone.

Yeah,

let's pause. So my brother, when he was living in Baja La Bufadora in Ensenada, he made the skateboard with no power tools, completely eyeballing the whole thing with a saw and drills. He had a hand drill. I don't know where the fuck you find one of those. And then he found this little Mexican dude. You get a Rockler, dude. Come on.

Yeah.

And he's like, hey, like, He gave him all these pieces of art for him to burn into it. And he's like, put this Nardcore sign and have it say Nardcore. And the guy put Nardcore, but it said Nordcore because he put the Oxnard O where the A is in Nard. So it just says Nordcore.

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Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah!

That'll

blow his mind. That's what he gets. Shout out to Rick to Life. Who's next? Let's call Robert Whitfield. The man I have listed is Bert. Yeah, Bert. We all know him as Bert. And if you're listening, Robert is one of my oldest friends and one of the best moshers in the 805 currently. And he's just been going to shows as long as I have. And I think he's a really good representation of my generation.

Yeah.

I've got to figure out how to do that.

Yeah.

Yo, what up, Robert? Hey, Stu. It's Zach, myself, and the legendary Joe Revis. Yeah. The legendary Joe Revis. Come on, man. He's doing it to me. He's not just legendary, dude. He's the legend. Yeah. The

legend. Yeah, I know. And he just had a birthday, too. Happy birthday again, man.

Yeah, thanks, buddy. Happy 39th, Joe. 18. 18 finals. Oh, fuck yeah. What do you got going on, dude? Nothing, just at home right now. Sawtail Avenue on Silverstrand. Dude, The Strand. You're currently nutting? How many screens do you have open? At the moment? Zero. Oh, fuck, dude. I met you on the bus. I lived on Oxnard Shores, and that was like, that route was from Shores to Hollywood Beach to Strand. Pretty sure I met you through that, and... we had weight training together we

did man coach beckham yeah you were the first person in history to have the bar fall on you doing a power clean

yeah and he didn't help me up he just watched it fall and then i just sat there with the fucking clean bar on my throat and he's just like you fucked up um but what i always remember with you because i when i moved to oxnard i I was into punk rock, but more into like the crusty stuff. And you were into hardcore and shit. And I remember you kind of like turning me on to all that stuff just by being like, yo, are you going to go to the show this weekend? Are you going to slam?

Well, yeah. I believe if I'm not mistaken, you, uh, you moved to Oxnard back in like 2006 ish. It would have been like our junior year of high school. And that was the time that Alpine has really cranked out a lot of those shows all the time.

Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, the first show you, you mentioned if I was going to go, it was like, uh, it was like lights out. Um, yeah. Who played that? It was like lights out guns up if I'm not going to go it alone or something like

that.

Um,

I think you're mixing up a couple of shows, but I think the first show I went to with you was a smaller show. I think we went to go see maybe Blackout, Stop, Look, Listen, maybe

Ability? No, there was one before that. Retaliate played that one. It was Brass Monkey Retaliate. Internal Affairs. No, Brass Monkey Downpresser. Yeah, but it was when they were Brass Monkey. Oh, you're saying we played too? Yeah, you guys did play. Okay. Um... Well, who was the best band that night? No fucking question. Internal Affairs. I think that was a night that Corey was either sick or fucked himself up, and he couldn't sing, and he had everyone else sing songs.

show.

I think

the last Alpine Alpine show was just like Set Your Goals with some other like pop punk band.

Yeah, the Briggs. I remember I got, I remember I got, Ty Jones kicked me out of that show because I snuck in.

Well, yeah, you paid the security guys $5 to sneak in the back.

Yeah. It fucked up. Yeah, it fucked up. And then Todd kicked you out? He did, yeah. What about the kids, Todd? What about when me and Todd tried to sneak into the Bad Brains show at Ventura Theater? We made it all the way up the stairs on the outside and into the balcony. And then we got chased out by a security guard, like, back down those stairs. Like, that would be so funny if you saw it from the street. Me and Todd running from some fucking gnarly dude. Oh, fuck. I'm pretty

sure Stu got back in, though. He just had to pay full price, so he paid twice to go to the same show.

I played twice to, like, see bands I didn't really want to see. I just wanted to be there because it was, like, the last Alpine show. Don't let Stu play down his set-your-goals loaf. Yeah. Well, dude, how'd you get into hardcore anyway? Well, growing up in Oxnard,

it's pretty entwined in the culture, but I got into hardcore actually my freshman year of high school. In English class, I saw a girl wearing, of all things, an In Control shirt, and then I was like, oh, I should check out this band. She told me it was sick. And then we had a friend, Trevor Wallace, who played drums in that band, Take Your Best Shot, later that year and whatnot, was just like... scene kid at that area

yeah

of the time he actually gave me a burn copy of another year he had but here's the funny thing he gave it to me burned completely backwards order so it was outro two towers and then just like 20 minutes of nothing

and

i was always like oh that seems like a weird choice but yeah from there i got like some more of the

local stuff i got like Vendetta, the Warriors had just released War of Hell that year, and everything kind of cascaded from there.

Yeah. Zach's feeling really old right

now. That was a cool year for hardcore, though, because it was not only was it kind of like the tail end of the in-control era, but the Warriors, Vendetta, and all of them started popping off.

Yeah. Skate Street was doing a lot of shows. Yeah, Skate Street, Alpine. Going to a lot of shows with you, it was like mobbing with Alex Edwards to a lot of those Casa shows. Well,

that was right at the tail end of the Alpine era, and then it was kind of like a bummer, because us being in high school, it was really easy to go to Ventura. It dropped off there before you could drive. But once that venue kind of closed for us, it became a little harder to go to shows. And I remember a lot of the shows that Alpine was going to have got picked up by the Casa de la Raza. A

lot of good shows there. So we

started mobbing out to Santa Barbara.

Yeah, you and

me. And Alex being... who three years older than us was willing to drive since he had that like shitty little red car with all the stickers

on it

the shitty number 24 red car 23 23 the ricky bobby car yeah hilarious enough going to shows with ricky bobby who was like no in a way no shape or form like tied to hardcore punk he just

like well he well alex was all right you guys know like the chow islands like sport fishing area that's like in between like strand and like just chow islands

Yeah.

Like, he worked on one of the sport fishing boats there, so he just had tons of money and was always kind of bored when he was, like, in town, so he just would take us out places. And he was, like, ever so loosely tied to Hardcore and would just bring all the fishermen with him.

Yeah, and then they would just, like, fuck shit up. But, like, remember that story with Ricky Bobby and Rudy? Rudy was the guy that, like, put on the shows at the Casa.

Yeah, I could tell this story. So we're just at a Casa de la Raza show. I think Down Presser's playing. It was

Down to Nothing, I think.

I think Down or Nothing Headline and maybe Violation played, TR played earlier.

Yeah.

But I remember Rudy, who was putting on the show, just picked a random kid and happened to be Ricky Bobby, just no affiliation with Hardcore, super fucked up because Alex was purchasing a bunch of beers for essentially the whole show. And Rudy, the guy promoter, was like, hey, man, a parking spot just opened up, like Prime Real Estate, right in front of the Casa. And he was like, can you hold the spot for me? And he goes, yeah, no problem.

someone. He's like, it's me, dude. You're saving it for me. He's like, no, man, fuck you. who's in the van what who's in the van no the promoter of the entire the guy said save my spot came back to the spot saved and he gets out of the car and he's like hey man i'm saving the spot for someone he's like yeah it's me oh man um fuck dude what do you have to say about the scene going on right now the scene right now is great i

mean we got everything from like Joe's era like we got out of trust playing I got to see them play the tavern like three weeks ago that was pretty sick they played with ill communication

yeah for his birthday show

yeah and then like Zach there was doing stuff like I saw retaliate play on in June that was pretty sick same venue at the tavern they're doing a lot of those like

shows

oh not that one hell yeah greatest band ever yeah pretty

good And then, like, the younger kids, like, 10 years younger than us, they're all doing stuff. Like, Civil Conflict, of course, is crushing it. But there's also, like, a lot of other, like, smaller bands, like Murmur, their minimum, Operation Oxnard.

Yeah, rest in peace. I thought Operation Oxnard broke up the last time I was here. They did. Really? When was that? Just recently. They were only banned for fucking not even a year.

Oh, I've got a broken leg story. So I'm assuming this is maybe Warped Tour 2007. Yeah. Because it seemed like in the late 2000s, they'd always throw one hardcore band on the Warped Tour, and that year just happened to be Throwdown. And there was two pits going on. One was just a straight push pit, but another one was all the hardcore kids not wanting to be a part of it, or maybe more of the metalcore kids.

Ouch.

You broke your leg during down press here. Yeah, I did. It was at Santa Fe. I did a stage dive. Hit my shin on the side of the stage. It was on the Santa Barbara. And the side of that stage is like really sharp metal. And I had the scar right here. And I had to get like fucking like 10 stitches. I had to drive you to the hospital. Yeah, I remember. I was like, oh, I nailed my shin. I rub it. And there was no bump. It was just this big indent. And I was like, fuck.

kid who got hurt earlier, like, I was talking to him, and he, like, won, like, a free Sound of Fury pass from that... Do you remember Hellfish?

Yeah.

Yeah, for... But he won the pass because he had a fucking head injury or something. I'm like, oh, that sucks. And then later that day, he got a full-on concussion. And I'm like, fuck, dude, let me take you to the hospital. I'm scared he's going to get brain damage or something.

Yeah, dude, I got my money back for that. I remember you were super bummed, though, because you had to miss Sick of It All. I missed Sick of It All. I missed Strife. I missed Outspoken. I missed all the bands I wanted to see. Dude, how about that last In Control reunion show at the Ventura Theater, like Adam's final stage dive? Like, his shins, like, landed right on the barrier. Oh, fuck. It was like... Because he got greedy. Like, he'd never stage dove before.

Fuck. That one's a toss-up. I really liked Upstairs at the Alpine just because you could almost feel the stage shaking. I always thought that was pretty cool.

That is neat.

I think my favorite venue of all time is probably just going to shows at maybe Jensen's Mainstage. That was pretty underrated, and they only did shows for a little while, but it was the perfect size for a show.

What was that? Santa Barbara. There's, like, a music store, and they had, like, a stage on the side. Oh.

Like, a lot of, like, the first, like, backtrack coming out to, like, the West Coast shows when they weren't, like, even a big band yet were, like, there.

That was cool. Yeah, backtrack. I think Minus played their first show there, and then we saw Lion of Judah there. That was really cool. Did you guys make it to the Nordcore Manor?

I never got to see a show there. No,

but Vince, who plays guitar in Omega Point... His first band, who we were talking about a member earlier, Trevor Wallace, Take Your Best Shot, they recorded there. Oh, sick. With Forrest? Yeah, with Forrest. And there was a comp. I forget what it was called. But it came out probably like 2004 or 2005. And they had a song on it called Won't Die. And it was really cool. That's cool. Yeah, it's a great fucking song. How many shows were there, Joe? Do you remember? No. We did a reunion there.

Yeah.

Well, sick. Yeah. Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for telling us about Stu fucking his leg up. Yeah. Thanks for the call, y'all. I guess I feel well represented. I guess he should get a free coffee mug. Yeah, definitely give him a free coffee mug. I showed him earlier. That was good. Oh, man. Oh, fuck yeah. I'll bring him next time I'm in town. Cool, man. Thanks so much for being on the pod. Have a good night, y'all. All right, dude. Joe's such a good director. Yeah, man. That was good.

Are those both Oxnard spots?

Yeah, both Oxnard, but... Joe got pico de gallo in one of the burritos, so we couldn't compare them versus one or the other. Fuck, man. It wasn't pico. It was onion and cilantro. You asked for that. What, are you fucking offended by pico? Like, fuck a tomato, dude. Why are you mad at tomatoes? I'm just saying.

The only spot I remember from Oxnard is that Thai spot that we went to by the tower.

Yeah, Nartai. Is

that still there? Thai-Chinese.

Sort of. Yeah, it's still there. Sort of. Well, Joe, tell the story. What happened to Nard Thai? Well, Cham is gone. The guy that owned it. The main dude's gone. Yeah, he sold it to his cousin. And the food is still good. And it's still legit. But Cham made it. Like, better, just by his presence and coming out and talking to you and all that stuff. Yeah, he was nice, but the food is still legit. Let's not shit on a local business. Yeah, the food's still legit.

pad thai at Marvin's. That shit was incredible. Crispy fried, oh my god, perfect.

Hey Lance, you're on your cell and you're talking into it and you're staying in the same place? Yeah, I'm

not moving. I hold up in the bedroom now so God can't get

to me. I'm

good. Yeah, because mock duck is like, it's really just consistent anywhere you go. There's no real fucking about it. Even Tips was pretty good. Yeah, it's just decent no matter where. But to do the tofu like they do at Nard Thai, that's just perfect. That was the perfect place for it, yeah. So anyway, that is a good Nard memory, Adam. Yeah, I got a lot of good ones. Well, actually, what I want to do is, we're going to call you back because the connection is pretty bad. Oh, you fuck.

Oh, yeah. One of my favorite stories of In Control was the New Year's party at Ryan's house. You guys tell the story yet?

Well, we had one every single year, so which one are you

talking about? The only one that I played with was In Control, and I'm pretty sure that right at midnight,

the garage door opened, and we start playing, and everyone's slamming. Someone knocked over my bass rig, snapped the plug off in there, and I was like, fuck

it. Were the Modern Life is War guys there, or no? I... Was it on Silverstone Beach or was it just in Oxnard? It was at Ryan's house in the garage. Yeah, yeah. That was the year that we got pressured by the Modern Life is War guys to do it. Yeah, and what I remember is Ryan's girlfriend getting in a fight and she got stabbed a bunch of times. Yeah, she got stabbed in the butt.

So everyone's all fucked up and they're all looking at me and I'm the only sober dude there. So I went with my friend Paul who's been like my best friend since I was two years old. And he's not fucking hardcore at all. He just went to go hang out with me on my birthday. And I'm like, yo, dude, we got to go drive this girl to the hospital right now because she's got a bunch of stab wounds. And so like, fuck, one in the

morning, we're driving, just flying down one of the main streets. I don't even remember which one. And take her to the emergency room. And so, like, we go and drive through Del Taco and we get Ryan something and we're on our way back. I'm like, dude, there's human blood all over the backseat of my car. Like, what the fuck?

Like, what do I do? Yeah. What do you do? Nothing. You get a couple of sketchy reds at the Del Taco drive-thru on your way home is what you do. Give me a couple of sketchy reds and a macho fry.

Yeah, so that was, you know, that was one of my... My favorite Oxnard stories. Shout out

Ashley.

Shout

out Ashley Montoya.

Dude, fucking shout out. And I think the guy, who was it? Dave Dogg, I think, was the guy's girlfriend it was. And Ryan was just like, oh, man,

you're going to have to fucking fight

that

dude and

all this shit. And we were just like, wow. Hey, Lance, no snitching, fool. Oh, whatever. I was just shouting out to the victim. Oh, whatever. I mean, bleep that shit. I don't care. Statue of Limitation is all good now. I know. That was fucking 17 years ago. Yeah. What have I done with my life? Well, you push Youth of Today records. God, yeah, I

guess I push Youth of Today records. I mean,

there's worse records.

There's a lot worse records. There's worse

Ray Capo records, too. Yeah. If I could say so. There's a lot worse Ray Capo records. What's your favorite side of the Ray and Porcel 7-inch? Dude, that record's so good.

I take that 7-inch over any Shelter record.

Attaining the Supreme is pretty good, dude. I like Attaining the Supreme a lot. And actually, funny thing is, my second favorite Shelter record is the pop album, the Beyond Planet Earth. Is that the one on Victory? It's the one, like, it has, like, the... The birthday song? The ska birthday song? Yeah. That's a good one.

No, I don't need it.

No, you don't need it. I understand it. No, no, no. So you're right. You're right. So I would say that I do need the Ray and Porcel 7-inch though.

Exactly. Because whenever I hear Shelter, someone talking about

Shelter, it's like, you know, YOT was so good because of just how fast and insane and urgent it was. And Shelter for me is just like, it's a little bit slower. To me, at least, the lyrical content isn't quite as, you know, what I enjoy. Yeah. So that's where I'm at. Well,

religion is stupid, so. Sure. You know.

Sure. But, I mean, there's guys who are keeping

me employed, so what can I say? Yeah. No, I mean, but is the Ray and Porcello, that's not in press anymore, is it?

No, but you know what, dude? We get people asking to

press shit like that

and slip not seven inch all the time. Oh, I bet. Well, it wouldn't kill you to just do a low run and have them, right? You'd go through them eventually. Well, surprise, surprise. Something's going to happen within a year with one of those two. Yes. So you never answered, though. What's that? What side do you like more, fame or broken glass? Definitely fame. Fame's a better song, but that broken glass fucking lead, dude. Come on. Dude, it's so weird.

It's so weird to listen to sometimes because I'm pretty sure those ended up becoming shelter songs. At

least riffs, at least.

Yeah, a lot of riffs were used and hearing it on that, it's like, what the fuck? They should have done an LP.

Nah, dude, it's so good because they put out two good songs and that's it, you know? Yeah. I like it. I like it. good what is your favorite Rev record you know well to announce I said that Adam played in In Control but he also you've been working at Rev for how long 17 and a

half years oh shit fuck and it almost came to an end in December because I graduated from college in May and I was I was literally in the doctor's office getting a physical for a job with county that I that I failed miserably by the way And the lady who was the number two at Rev called me and was like, I quit. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, what? And there's no way the place could survive if both me and her left around the same time.

there

like they don't want

to talk they don't want to talk about football and I'm like dude those new fucking loose nukes demo songs are amazing

oh okay whatever so

you know so I stayed at Rev and

there I am yeah that's awesome what is your favorite Rev record overall

Um, right now it is, well, it's technically not a rev record because I believe it was on Caroline's first, but, uh, we're not in this alone. Yeah. Today, like that gets more plays than anything else. If you're going strictly rev, I'm going burn seven inch. Yeah. Um,

those two, there's, there's like nothing in the world like that burn seven

inch. I mean, you could say

that, that like the absolution shit that Van Vlack did before that, but like none of that shit had even nearly the, like the, It's a shame that the Absolution sheet got such horrid recordings, but that Burn 7-inch, like...

Well, even the second Burn 7-inch that came out way later, that's, like, recorded kind of close to that first one, right? And sonically, it's just not the powerhouse.

Well, those three songs, I believe,

were demos for Burn to go on to another label, but they broke up before anything happened, and they just sat there. There's a funny story about that. Some buddy of mine does some, like, polls on his Instagram, like, pick your favorite 2000s record,

and he has one versus another, and one of them was the Byrne Last Great Peace 7-inch, and I had to hit him up and go, yo, buddy, that was recorded in 1992, and he was super fucking embarrassed. Yeah.

It didn't come out, though, until the 2000s. Like, you can't expect everyone to know everything,

right? Yeah, but Byrne did put out some straight garbage in the 2000s, and I don't want to lump it in with that record on Equal Vision.

Oh, is that the Klenz record? I like the Klenz.

Yeah. Well, the best, the best songs on cleanse were old songs. Oh, cause like there's that, uh, like a CBGB thing of them that's on YouTube. And I think there's a live, someone

made audio you can download and that shit's fucking amazing. And there's about eight or nine songs on that that never made it on a record that are absolutely incredible. Um, Some of them they ended up rewriting and doing on those records that came out in the last two years, but they're not nearly like the speed and everything. I think one of the cool things about Burn is Alan Cage playing drums and just how huge that sounded. Yeah, huge.

Closed hi-hat circle pits too?

Dude, just him and what Alex Napak, the bass player, were doing, their rhythm section was unreal. And to cap it off with Van

Vlack's guitar style which like literally there's

no one else who did what he did

no nothing

and he was he was writing a lot of those songs even with absolution it's like a homeless teenager living in squats in new york and he's doing something like that dynamic it's fucking incredible it's really incredible to look back on what he was able to do and what that burnt seven inch like just what it was everything about it's perfect recording like the artwork is some weird ass mysterious shit like

there's no pictures of the band it was all just no Yeah, that's awesome. I like that there's no pictures. And also, the lyrical content is next level. And just the photo on the back, I think, too, because that's what I found out later, that that was Shaka's dad took that photo. The

picture on the back of the street heads was from a protest on some college where people were protesting the U.S. bombing Cambodia during the Vietnam War. So the heads are from that. So, like, If you look at it from that meaning too, that also has meaning in and of itself. We found some original pictures of that protest and it was pretty cool to look at and think about how that became one of my favorite records.

this is insane.

This

is totally insane. And then I end up working at Revelator and Chaka calling me on my line being like, hey man, we're playing out there soon.

Just being like,

holy

shit. I get a lot of holy shit moments. This is my life when I'm there. It's fucking weird. kicking Ray Capo out of my seat, you know, like, that kind of shit. That's cool. Like, yeah, you know, all those, a lot of those guys come by and it's just, you know, wow, this guy wrote, like, a song, a singer of Chain of Strength was in there a few weeks ago and he comes up to me and he asks my opinion.

You gotta kick that guy out. Hey, turn around, fool. Get out of

here. And he's, like, asking my opinion on something Chain of Strength related and I'm like, dude, I don't know. I was like, eight nine

years old on the seven and just came out don't listen to me but those old mixes but the old mixes are sick yeah

oh of course that was uh what's up with that adam why don't you get them to to do a re-release of those actual original ones like not that it's it's currently being worked on and

that's one of the reasons he was in the office you're kind of going over the proper way to do it you're trying to get that uh we're trying to get a reissue of the six Inside Out Studios songs. The seven is actually four songs of a six-song session. The talk has been a 45 RPM 12-inch mastered for that, which I think would sound fucking unbelievable. We're trying to get the wheels moving on that, but some of these people are not easy to get a hold of sometimes and will vanish on us for weeks at a

time. Yeah, whose idea was it to re-release the Beyond? That was a great idea. Jeez, I don't remember. It might have been Vic DeCars, actually. Because that's semi-recent. Oh, okay. Does Vic work with you? No, Vic lives in Japan. Because Vic played in Beyond, though, right?

He did. He played bass in Beyond. Maybe it was actually Tom Capone. Tom Capone played guitar. Alan Cage played bass. There's another... incredible Alan Cage moment right there.

Who played drums on that? The drumming on that is insane.

Alan Cage. Same guy who played drums in Burn and then Quicksand. I saw Seaweed play in like 98 or 99 and Alan Cage was the drummer then and I was just being like, what the fuck is that guy

doing playing to 20 people in a house?

Yeah.

It was fucked up. But yeah, the Beyond reissues were super cool. That's a record that needed to be reissued a

Yeah, because it got reissued in the late 90s, but that was like CD only. Only on CD.

Yeah.

I believe on... Shit,

I don't remember what label. It might have been Temperance? No, it was on some record, which was Walter Seifel's

brief label in the late 90s. Gotcha. Yeah. How did he go about getting the rights to the War Zone to redo it? Do you remember?

Oh, my God. This is actually pretty sick.

So...

Yeah, I mean, everyone's probably familiar with FYF Fest that took part in L.A. We had a booth. We did a booth a few years ago. There was still, like, some connection to hardcore, and then they, I guess, it tried to be, like, Petrella Jr., and people stopped buying our shit there. But one year, I worked one day, and then another guy worked the second day, and some dude was looking through the records. He's like, Revelation? I was in a Revelation band. I was in Warzone, and it was Todd Youth.

in... played on some of the records. So no one had the rights to it? Because that was Fist and then Caroline, right?

It was Fist and then Caroline, and then remember that there was that reissue label, Another Planet.

Yes, that did all those, like, this on this side, this on that side.

Yeah,

and they did

a bunch of CDs that were, like, they did, like, ProMag's Best Wishes, Major Quarrel, they did a Mob one.

They're the one that, like, if they came back now with, like, people being into tapes, because they did all those tapes, too. Like, because I remember Tony... At Lou's Records in San Diego, he got the Cro-Mags one. And so it was Age of Coral on one side and Best Wishes on the other side.

Big time shout out to Lou's Records, man. That was the spot for

so long. Dude, when they were styling and they had three stores, because they had the news store, the used store, and then the video store. Yep. The show was crazy.

Every trip down was a score. But yeah, Another Planet did it.

From

what I heard, the

guy who

does...

Triple Crown Records was the main dude, but he wouldn't reply to me at all. And we had to

figure out, okay, what was the final deal? Did the rights revert back to Ray? Did the rights revert

back to Fifth? We didn't know, so we basically got the entire band, everybody, give us their blessing. we made sure that everyone in the band got compensated and was a part of it on their own. And so far everyone in the band has been really, really fucking happy with it. Um, everyone's been paid, uh, John Oman, who was, who was in the band. Um, you know, he's been involved a lot and Jordan's been in touch with him a lot.

got to put out the demos of the Bullet Hole LP. Nah. I mean, the demos are much better than the LP. Oh, absolutely, they're

better than the LP, but we still don't really need it. No,

you probably don't

need it, you're right. Yeah, we've been looking at reissuing the 7s for a long time, even though a lot of people involved, I think Ray included, said that they didn't really want it to come out, because most of the songs, if not all of them, ended up coming out with better recordings anyway. Yeah, but it's still

garbage. I know, but it's Rev 1. Yeah. So it's a, it's a cool piece. People would love us to do it. Yeah. And war zone. Like I can understand early. Like if, if that was something that Ray told, you know, Jordan back in the eighties, you know what I mean? Like, Oh, don't get that out. Cause it sounds like shit. It's like war zone is more than like stamped their fucking legend status. They can have that come out, you know?

Um, and what's cool is one of the guys, uh, from Rev was out in New York and he spent a day with Dwayne who could distort some records and, And he had these tapes that Warzone made that were only to be played in the store. So there would be like a song, and then it would be someone saying, yo, these songs are from whatever record it is. And then they'd go and do another song, which is kind of wild.

place that shitty looking sounds that good. Yeah, but you were there when we played there, Adam. Yeah. The sound system was fucking amazing.

Dude, I can't believe we played there.

Honestly. That's literally my biggest hardcore regret is not buying the sound system. board tape from that night. Because we had to have been... I

thought you guys had given him a blank tape to record. We didn't do that?

Nah, it cost like 50 bucks or something, and we were broke-ski.

Yeah, we didn't...

Because we were so used to John Lyons in the living room just doing it for free, and I think that they might have charged like 75 or something, CBs, which now, like I said, biggest hardcore regret. I wish I would have fucking done it. But at the time, it was just like... Fuck, 75 bucks. That's a lot of days of per diem. That's like a week per diem, dude.

You know what, man? I would have reimbursed that any fucking day to own that.

I know, I know.

And I do remember some kid getting slammed in the face and had to go to... They had to get an ambulance for him during our set. We were opening and some kid had to get taken to the hospital.

That's goddamn right. Oxnard. Fucking crazy. Yeah, you want to... Tell one in control story and we'll get out of here. I'll have you back again, Adam. This has been fun.

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of awkward.

I've never done this before. So, uh, you know, I had a bunch of stories lined up in my head and I forgot most of them, but I think the one, the one of Robbie from still cross, uh, basically crowd killing the shit out of a room in an anarchist info shop in Indianapolis was pretty dope yeah that

room was like the size of like two closets and there was like there was like 25 kids in there right like packed to the brim Yeah, it was fucking phenomenal. Yeah. Like, and he's, like, skin-kicking dudes. One kid comes in and does fucking ninja motions and shit at everyone. Yeah, he's been...

And he was, like... Dude, he was, like, some smallish, crusty

dude. Yeah. He was just... fucking people up left and right man we didn't know what to do because we're like no we didn't it's like oh this guy's nice and he was like a label mate and like we were like we really appreciate the support but this sucks you're fucking everybody up yeah

some of the some of the sickest things about In Control probably the first show I'd never played live in my life before being in that band

and uh the first show I played was with Ill Repute at the Living Room and there's probably three or four hundred people there And it's, like, literally my first time playing in front of anybody in my life. No pressure.

No pressure, dude. Yeah, well, fuck

you, man. We're up there setting up, and I'm, like, tuning my shit, and I look over, and you point at me, and you go, don't fuck up, dude.

Too good. Too

good. Oh, shit. Okay, okay. Here's a good one. So, we're in St. Louis, and I know you probably already told the Del Taco story, but they asked the show, and You guys are like, hey, man, I heard if you do the Budweiser factory tour, you get free beers. So we roll out to that, and we get there, and we're like, fuck, dude, you got to take the whole tour in order to get the free beers. It was like two hours, and it's like 1 o'clock, and we got to be in Memphis for a show.

that's the fucking tour. It's so gnarled. I totally forgot about that. And then I had to drive to Memphis. That's so gnarled. I love that. I know. And then I had to drive to Memphis

because you guys were all fucked up.

That's

awesome. I don't even know if we got on the thing. I think that Our crowd was walking towards it, and then we saw that there was this big crowd walking away from the other one that got back. And we just straight U-turned in the crowd. Yeah, I took four or five rolls of pictures. I took

four or five rolls of pictures on that tour, and the only one I have of you smiling is you drinking three beers in the Budweiser plant. All the rest are like Ryan trying to like, break the ice on some frozen lake in Vermont

and

you know other bands and Albert being Albert

but yeah that's the only one of you smiling well that was a good afternoon

yeah that shit was crazy and like everyone else your age is in college and you're like man I'm at the fucking Budweiser beer factory drinking free root beers about to go play a show in Memphis where some like person Some transgender person is going to beat the shit out of a bunch of hood dudes in front, and I'm going to get to watch the whole thing. I

forgot about that, too. Yeah, I mean, like, and think about that in the same day, right? Like, most normal people, if you were going to make a drive from St. Louis to Memphis, like, that would be your big thing of the year, you know? Like, oh, loading up the family and taking them down to Memphis. You know, that was just, like, our afternoon. Like, no, first we got to drink all this beer, then we're going to go to Memphis. Yeah. And then we're waiting for the show to start.

spending the night in a Taco Bell in Cleveland. We went to the Indians game, and we were going to sleep in the van in the parking lot of a Taco Bell, and the people are like, you know, come inside. They're like, oh, you guys are in a band. Holy

shit, how cool is that? Not realizing that, like, We played like four people in Las Cruces and get paid in rolls and nickels.

And

like my shoe exploded that show and it was like, well, fuck it. I don't have any money. Where's the duct tape?

You

know, like that kind of shit. Or, uh, Oh yeah. You remember, I remember you guys talking about, uh, Tony's untimely demise from the band. And I don't know if you guys mentioned that the place we were partying beforehand was, uh, Vinnie Paul from Pantera Strip Club.

Yeah, I think we left that out. I mean, we said Strip Club. I just forgot that it was Vinnie Paul's. But that was funny because, remember, Albert was under 21, and so they still let you in because you bring your own beer. They try to sell you... Do

you have to wear a fucking shirt?

Yeah, they try to sell you ice, but yeah, if you're under 21, you gotta wear this, like, white shirt so they know, like, oh, if you're in a white shirt, you can't be drinking, you know? That fucking sucks. Yeah. And they only have, like, a triple X left, and so Albert's, like, in a fucking... Albert's

in a dress,

you know?

Dude, he's not just in a dress, dude. There's black lights everywhere, and that thing is fucking glowing.

Yeah.

I remember getting up and going to the

bathroom and looking across the place like 100 feet, and all you could see across the

place was

this

fucking dude

in this glowing XXXL white shirt. Dude, I remember there was a cross-eyed guy at the end of the ramp on Sniffers Row. And fucking, yeah, the girl was just like... you know, spread eagle. And this is fucking guy, like this cross eyed guy, like looking right. Just like, Oh my God. Yeah. All right, Adam, Adam, we're going to, we'll have you back on next time and thinking some more stories. Cause that was really good, but we got to

write them down or

something. Yeah. We got to bounce around to a bunch of people. Yeah. And I got to do this burrito. I'll talk to you guys later. All right, man. See ya. Thank you.

See ya.

All right, let's see what we're going to do here.

Hey, what's up? Yeah, what up?

What up? Hey. Hey. Hey, David from Civil Conflict. Yeah, we got David from Civil Conflict on the phone, along with the mighty Stu from Omega Point. Mighty. And the legend, Joe Rivas. He loves it now. I know, it's starting to sink in. He's like, actually, that feels pretty good. Yeah, you know? We got a legacy here. Just adding to it, dude. What's up, dude? What's going on? What's up, man? First off, David, how old are you?

14.

Sick. We were arguing about that earlier. Yeah. And you played for Civil Conflict and Nothing Special, right?

Yep.

Hell yeah. So when did you start playing in bands, playing music?

I started drumming at like seven. And... I never played in a band until I was like 13. I was playing guitar in a really shitty metalcore band.

Oh, shitty band. What band was that?

It was a band called Drought. It got a lot better. But when I was in the band, it was just kind of like pretty messy.

Yeah, and they're playing a lot now. Yeah. Oak and Main, I noticed they've been playing a lot there. Yeah. So... Hell yeah. Oh, I think I got one of those, too. All right. So you guys have been playing, ripping it up, like, playing, like, every week, like, multiple times a week, like, shows, like, back-to-back daily.

Yeah, that's crazy, dude.

I

don't know. When I first joined, I wasn't even expecting that, honestly. When I first joined, I was expecting my inbox to last, just kind of whatever, just have fun. And my mic just picked up, and I was just like, oh, my God, this is fucking insane.

Hey, David, where are you standing right now? I'm

standing outside.

Yeah, try to go stand in the same place and talk directly into your telephone. It's a little hard to hear

you.

Yeah.

All right. Better?

Yeah. Yeah.

All right, for sure. You know, what I was saying is, like, when I first joined

the band, like, I wasn't expecting too much. And then, like, when I started seeing more and more people coming to the shows every time, I'm, I don't know, I just, it made me so happy.

It's fucking cool. Yeah, and you guys are all extremely good at what you play.

Thanks, man.

All of you guys,

yeah. Yeah.

Like, I didn't see you guys, but I did see footage of you playing that show with Cola Boy at the Oxnard Performance.

Oh, yeah. It was wild. Yeah, how was

that show?

Absolutely insane. Like, people were stage diving. The pits were, like, the whole floor.

Yeah, from all accounts, it was, like, the ultimate Unity show. I heard that, like, you know, like, there was, like, you know, some, you know... all types of people there to see Cola Boy from like, you know, people's parents and shit. And like, just, I suppose, supposedly like everyone was in the pit, like parents, grandmas, everyone in the pit, you know? And then like, yeah. And then when Cola Boy was playing, like, you know, you got every type of punk rocker dancing and fucking yeah.

Yeah. That's great.

Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, dude. And you guys actually just played a big rockin' gig at Concrete Jungle. It was called the Nard House Fest.

Yeah. Yeah, the boys from Nard House did that one. That show was insane. I guess somebody broke their arm.

This is more of a leg-breaking podcast, not

an arm-breaking

podcast. We'll introduce that. Arms is next month.

Yeah.

But no, it sounds like a rager, man. So, do you guys have a demo or anything?

Before I joined the band, when they were still with the old drummer, they released like the demo that's on YouTube right now. But there's

nothing with you on it yet?

No, we have finished recording an album. Yeah. We're still doing like the last, you know, a little bit of mixing and everything, adding the last, you know, finishing touches. It sounds absolutely amazing. And I'm so stoked for it. How many songs? Ten.

Ten songs. And it was recorded by Armand, right? At Captain's Corner.

Yeah.

You're still laying down all the solos, though?

Huh?

You're still laying down all the solos? Going in at the end? Nah,

I'm just

fucking around. That's the last thing you do, right? You gotta overlay all the solos, dude. Yeah, but he wouldn't be doing that. You're asking him if he's doing that. Not him personally, but the band. I'm talking about the band recording. That's what Stu and I thought you were trying to say. Excellent solos in that band. Thanks. Yeah, that's sick. And so what can you say about it coming out? It's going to be on. It's alive, right?

Yeah. Fred's going to be artwork for it. And I'm super stoked. It's going to be amazing.

Fucking rad. Yeah. Fred's the man. Fred Hammer's the man. Yes. Cancel Christmas. Fred phones. Fred phones. We're all wearing them. I know. That's right. It's like every podcast is the Fred tribute because we're on Fred phones.

Oh,

dude. So legendary. You remember when Violation made that shirt with Fred Hammer's face on it? Oh, I never saw that. Oh, it's so good. It says like real low pro and it has like Fred with the Fred phones. Oh, that's so good. That's sick. So what's the timeline on that's going to come out? If you're almost done, it'll come out probably early New Year, February or something?

So yeah, it's pretty much done. We want to release it late October, early November. That's

the goal. Not if you're doing vinyl, buddy.

Oh, yeah. That's later, later, later.

Are you going to put it out before the vinyl comes out, though?

No, we're going to release it and then we'll press vinyl a little bit later. Let the album come out so people can still listen to it and everything.

Cool. So you'll throw out digital first and then the vinyl will come.

Yeah.

That rules, man, because I can't wait to hear it.

Thank

you. It sounds good. I heard it. Oh, you heard it? I heard a couple songs. Yeah, Brian played them for me. David's dad. Well, Joe's always on the inside track, you know. Legend. I'll wait until you guys put it up on SoundCloud or whatever. A bootleg that already exists. When you share it with the common folk, I'll listen to it. Oh, fuck. It filters down a little on me. So you also play guitar in Nothing Special. What can you tell us about that band?

It's a newer project. We played our first show at the Narn House set. And I wasn't expecting people to go that crazy for us at all. And they just went nuts.

Fucking

sick. Yeah, we got a pretty good set down before we played a show. We played like nine or ten songs. And everybody just ate it up. Everybody seemed to enjoy it a lot.

Has anyone jumped off the Nard house yet?

Huh?

Has anyone jumped off? Is it a house? Yeah, I saw footage of you guys playing a backyard show. It's like that civil compound. I don't know exactly what it is. That's your house, right?

Yeah, that's my house.

That's the conflict compound. That's my house.

Has anyone ever staged off the top of the house yet?

Uh, it was, they did it after the show. They didn't, like, go into the crowd. They just

jumped off my roof. Like, my dad wasn't too thrilled about that. And one of the dudes that jumped off got body tackled into the floor by him.

His dad's your size, so. Yeah. Oh,

hell yeah. Yeah, that shit was pretty crazy.

Grown. Grown-ass man, dude. Hell yeah, that rules. What do you guys got coming up? Granted, this is going to be out way later in

advance. As of right now, I

don't know if we have any shows or maybe just a couple. So everything's slowing down just a little bit, but hopefully it picks back up soon. But no matter what, we're still going to be playing together, jamming, writing music and everything.

Nice. What about Nothing Special? Can we expect a demo soon?

Yeah, we were actually discussing that yesterday. So hopefully we can get something out in a couple months. Even if it's just a couple songs, at least something.

Hey David, do you know what happened with Operation Oxnard? Why they broke up?

Yeah.

What happened? We were playing together for a good minute. And I don't know, it just didn't feel right almost. I felt like our chemistry was a little bit off and I didn't want to push ourselves too much. Yeah.

Yeah.

So having three bands in school, it was a lot. So I had to drop one thing.

Yeah, well, you know, once that bass player gets better technique, I know a drummer sitting to my left that would be perfect playing Operation Oxnard. Yeah, dude, we'll bring it back because that name is the sickest. Yeah, hell yeah. So it wasn't a chick that broke the band up?

No. All

right. All right. Cool, David. Glad to have you on the show, man.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Yeah, dude. We love your bands and the other shit. Keep plugging away. Yeah.

Appreciate that,

man. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. Goodbye.

Yep, later. All

right, that was good. That was fun. Yeah, more with Fred that's, like, he's putting out this Civil Conflict LP. Yeah. Yeah, but he's also... He's also repressing the localism comp.

Yeah, short run.

The short run is going to be 100 of those, all hand-numbered, of course. Clear vinyl. He has a new cover. It's fucking sick. I think I saw the new cover. It did look sick. Yeah, it's fucking dope. Same booklet and some posters. Updated booklet. Is it an updated booklet? Yeah, I think he asked you, too. He asked me to write. I'm writing an intro for it. Oh, he didn't ask me. Oh, shit. I thought he did. Oh, man. Oh. Whatever.

Oh,

that's why. I'm hooked into the mini life jacket now. Uh-oh. Hello? Is this Dave Bush? This is Dave Bush. All right. Hold on. I got to make sure you're on the right thing. Yeah. Turn that thing off just so... Did that hang up on him? We still got you, Dave? Dave? Nice. Yeah, see, we're failing with technology. All right, keep that thing off. It's off. Oh, yeah. That's why it couldn't... Apparently, I was connected to that thing, too. Okay. Oh, this isn't right. Yeah, it is. Is he in 805?

No.

Hello? All right, I think we got you this time, Dave. Yeah, it sounds good. Yeah, much better. Yeah, we were failing in technology. Shocking. Isn't it amazing how some people sound so good and some people don't? Yeah. What kind of phone do you have, Dave? I have the newest iPhone X or whatever the hell. There you go. It's fancy. You think that's a part of it? Maybe. It's that portrait mode. Yeah. I think that people are just like, they're moving around, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

too, bro. I miss California all the time, man. Miss you guys.

Dave, you're on the podcast, the 105 Mile South podcast with Zach and Stu. Stu's a drummer in a band called Omega Point. They're freaking amazing. And you know Zach from In Control and Retaliate. It doesn't matter. Hell yeah. Quite aware of all these bands. So we wanted to call you. We've called a bunch of other kids today, so now we need an adult perspective. I'm all adult. Yeah, so how about this? Let's jump right into it.

Yeah.

yeah so circling back to that show in 86 how many people were there do you think at skate palace

holy shit that was huge dude i mean i remember all 86 that was a huge show i remember

everything that i went to community center from like social distortion the dri the circle jerks i mean so many shows there was a It was an amazing amount of people there. A few hundred, three or four? Yeah, at least three or four hundred kids. Yeah, so local. Yeah, great. Well, he's saying that. Oh, for sure, local. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if there's shows in Austin, there's obviously still shows in L.A., so it is local. Yeah, but, you know, the mid-'90s, or mid-'80s, sorry.

or three.

I think four is the number. Three living rooms plus sniffies, which was right next door, right? Next door, yeah. Yeah, well, I was just wondering if maybe like the Santa Barbara, at that time maybe they lost their clubs, and then so you have Oxnard firing, and if you're saying all the Santa Barbara guys are coming down. Well, there's the Casa de la Raza was going on. It was still going. As well, but... It was a big show. Like Dave said, Souls of Distortion.

What was it at the same time as when we tried to go up to P.O. and play with the Purple Holocaust Band and that whole thing got

shut down, that crazy frickin' event? Yeah. Well, that's got to be around a similar time, right? I'm going to say that was 88, because John was still alive. Yeah, no, yeah, John was there for that one, yeah. So... Yeah, so the guys are friends in Purple Holocaust. They live in Thousand Oaks. Set up a show at Rubin's, which there was the big shooting there at the bar. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Borderline. Borderline used to be called Rubin's in the 80s.

Yeah.

And shut us down. So we all actually drove to... To Forrest's grandma's house in... Yeah, right? By... Yeah, yeah, by the park. Yeah. Bubbling Springs Park and... Played in the living room. Awesome. Was that in Surfside or by Surfside? It was a great show, man. By Surfside? No, Bubbling Springs? Yeah, yeah, in Miami. Oh, it was just off Bard. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Forrest will probably talk about that later because it was his grandma's house.

Yeah. I mean,

if Social D is playing, like, semi-DIY spots like the Oxnard Community Center, I can't imagine... Yeah, but I mean, that's before Prison Bound, so that's, you know, that's still... Yeah. They're still high off of Mommy's Little Monster. When did Ventura Theater start doing shows? Well, I mean, it's been having shows there for... This is like the second Blue Oyster Cult record, man. Fuck, I did not know that. Yeah, for a long time. That's wild. And they were still showing Star Wars.

quirky,

you know, style or whatever. But then, I mean, I love Joe and his influence and, you know, like the heavy he brings. So, yeah, I don't know, man. It's a good combination, I'd have to say. Basically, he's saying Maury's a better singer. Well, then, oh, fuck, yeah. Everyone agrees that Maury's the best singer. Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Out of everyone in this room. You know what, Joe? I would just say it was a tasty platter of songs is all I could say about it.

yeah

four or

five yeah they're pretty loaded yeah

yeah Yeah, well, you know, some punk shows, they throw 10 bands on, you know? So a scene could survive on a show or two a month if you're tossing 10 bands on. There were Ventura bands that were pushing at that time, too. Like I said, Arch Enemy. Well, that's a little bit later. That's like 93, 94. What was it? Feminicious Canoes? Yeah, what was that? Yeah, that's 93 as well. Creature Feature, I want to say that. That's what I joined the band. Yeah, Alice Donut, there's a few others.

so which one?

I don't know. Narvest was super, super, super fun to do that. Oh, yeah. Well, that was amazing. I mean, that was just a... I really liked when we played with the Dickies. That was fucking amazing to me because I loved that band so much. Oh, yeah. Well, us playing with No Motive, playing them shows with No Motive and AFI, I think that was. That was such a good time. On C Street? Yeah, that was such a good time, dude. In

Oxnard? Yeah. Oh, shit.

yeah there was a venue there's shows there now los compadres it was a venue before it was a filipino bar yeah it was a filipino hut yeah now we know but yeah oh we went to shows yeah we never who played there and went to aggression played there 86 oh yeah i saw aggression there for sure it was gone by 87 as well yeah Wild. 87 was a bad year for him. Yeah, I walked in there. Dave, there was a show there. They've been holding shows there recently, and I went to a show about two weeks ago.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

We

warped a tour. Yeah, we warped a history. Dave, we were recording an episode before the show. Like a month before the show. Yeah, but I knew that the thing was going to come out after the show. So we're like, let's talk about how awesome that show was. We're like, Joe Rivas did that gnarly stage dive. But what really happened was Jacob threw up because he was too drunk during one of his straight edge songs. That was pretty good.

expect that I knew he lived in this town you know because of the blasting room and whatnot so yeah I don't know from there we kind of took off uh we ended up losing the Reese guy went through quite a few members a couple name changes we were Underminer and Endless Monster um

I've got to recorded the blast room a couple of times with these guys, you know, uh, Bill Stevenson, you know, recorded us and stuff. And, um, I don't know. It's been a pretty amazing ride. I've met all kinds of crazy bands out here. I got to play, uh, open up for the descendants one time at, uh, at, uh, a big concert venue out here. Um, it's, uh, yeah, like I said, it's been an amazing ride.

you know once carl kind of slows down on the the descendants thing which you know hopefully you know that's not gonna end you know i mean i'm glad they've got those they're doing so freaking great so uh yeah i don't know i'm actually out here looking for uh another drummer to play with and doing my own stuff. But yeah, it's been quite a ride.

I

never expected to

even continue playing music, much less meet all the people I have since I've gotten out

here. Yeah, I love it, man. I love this town. I had Joe come out and visit me, so we had a good time out here.

Awesome. Pasta, pasta. Yeah, dude, this guy's gone now, dude. You and my ex are both bummed about that. So, yeah, no more Rasta Pasta, man. It sounded like that place was going to make it.

You would have thought, yeah. A

reggae pasta joint. A stoner reggae pasta joint. Why wouldn't anybody like that? Come on, man. I don't know if they give you a joint on your way in and then it's unlimited garlic breadsticks. Oh, dude. It's like... There you go. Actually, we got something going here. This is before pot was legal. They missed the boat, though. They were gone before the weed legal thing came. Oh, man. They missed all boats. It'll be firing now. We got to start a GoFundMe for bringing back Rasta Pasta.

All right.

Yeah, dude. I'm... I'm stoked for my buddy Joe, man. I love his new band, dude. Out of trust is the shit, you know. Great. Yeah. Yeah, Plessy's looking good. I'm looking right at him. Motherfucker's handsome as shit. It enrages me. The fucking good genetics. Yeah, the hairline. Oh, yeah, well, you've seen his dad, right? You know. I know. It's not going to get any worse. Joe's going to keep getting more handsome. Oh, no, no. Exactly. It gets more prestigious as he gets older. That's right.

I like it,

I like it. That's a motherfucker of a drive right there. Yeah, that's one hell of a drive, man. I might have to jump up in the between to make it worth it. So yeah, man, I'd love to come back out, dude. Man, you get that to happen and I'm on a flight, dude.

We're working on

it, David. Yeah, man. And I'm proud of you guys, man. I like what you're doing, and keep at it, and I'll keep tuning in. Man, I'm glad I found this thing. Hell yeah. All right, Dave. Thanks so much. Cool. Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me on. You guys take care, brother. All right. We'll see you. All right, David. See you. All right. Later, Nardcore.

Bye. Yeah, dude.

Dave Bush. The man, Dave Bush. All right. Well, we'll see. All right. Well, this is another fun episode. I enjoyed doing this. Yeah, that was good. Me too. Yeah. I think that we should continue to do this. What do you think? I'll do it. You'll do it? You don't like it? No, I fucking love it. It's sick. So this is the second time we've done this. Did you guys get feedback on the first one? I think people liked it.