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No Such Thing as Normal

At least 20% of New Zealanders are believed to be neurodivergent, but there is very little awareness, understanding and support for people with conditions such as ADHD, Autism and Dyslexia.

Sonia Gray has a neurodivergent daughter and is an ADHDer herself. In this 10-part series she’ll talk to dozens of experts and people with a lived-experience of neurodiversity to better understand how we can support and celebrate those whose brains are wired differently.

No Such Thing as Normal is brought to you by NZ Herald and Team Uniform, with support from NZ on Air and launches June 10th. New episodes are available every Saturday.

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Episodes

Episode 23: The mystery of Tourette’s syndrome

We all know what Tourette’s is - or we think we do. But this is a condition that is largely misunderstood and routinely misrepresented. Only around 10% of those with Tourette’s syndrome have the ‘swearing tic’ - coprolalia. But the other vocal and motor tics can be just as debilitating. In this episode, Sonia speaks to Tiktok sensation, Leighton Clarke - aka Uncle Tics. He now embraces his Tourette’s and encourages others to do the same. We also hear from Fyfe, a bubbly and creative 10-year-old....

Nov 01, 202431 minSeason 2Ep. 13

Episode 22: The Spiral of Shame

A diagnosis of ADHD, autism or dyslexia is merely an indication that your brain works in a different - and exciting - way. So why are the rates of co-occurring anxiety and depression so high for neurodivergent people? In this episode, Sonia talks to 16-year-old Emily Martin, who has ADHD, dyslexia and dyscalculia. Emily suffered from intense anxiety and low self-esteem throughout her primary school years. Therapist Jane Kjersten explains the specific type of trauma that can come from feeling ‘le...

Oct 25, 202429 minSeason 2Ep. 12

Episode 21: What is Dyspraxia?

Dyspraxia (or Developmental Coordination Disorder) is more than just a difficulty tying shoelaces or riding a bike. It impacts almost every aspect of life, and the effort to carry out basic tasks can be exhausting. Sonia talks to Bayley Garnham, a 24 year old Personal Trainer, who has dyspraxia and dysgraphia. Dyspraxic kids often give up on sports early, but Bayley wants to change that. He believes these kids need a different approach to learning sports. And Sensory Integration Practitioner, El...

Oct 18, 202431 minSeason 2Ep. 11

Episode 20: The Shaming and Blaming of Parents

The parents of kids with neurodifferences face multiple challenges. But while navigating a broken system is exhausting, the constant scrutiny of your parenting can be worse. In this episode, Sonia talks to TVNZ’s 1News at 6 presenter, Melissa Stokes and Newstalk ZB Host, Francesca Rudkin about advocating for their children. And researcher Willow Sainsbury, explains why the go-to suggestion of ‘parenting courses’ can be so distressing for parents. Guests: Melissa Stokes Francesca Rudkin Willow Sa...

Oct 11, 202431 minSeason 2Ep. 10

Episode 19: A PhD in Parenting - raising a neurodivergent child

Parenting a neurodivergent child is wonderful, but it’s challenging. Often, it can feel like the only people who understand are other parents on the same road. In this episode, Sonia talks to Francesca Rudkin, who had to navigate life with a daughter in crisis, before ADHD was identified. We meet members of the ‘Dad’s Autism Support Group’ in Auckland who all have kids with high-needs on the autism spectrum. They say connecting with each other regularly, and sharing the highs - and the lows - ha...

Oct 04, 202432 minSeason 2Ep. 9

Episode 18: The Fork In The Road

The rates of ADHD and dyslexia in prisons is staggering. But these same neurotypes are also more likely to be successful CEO’s and entrepreneurs. So where is the fork in the road? What leads someone down the wrong path? Sonia Gray talks to Ricky Wakelin, a kind and gentle father-of-two. In the early 2000’s Ricky’s life had spiralled out of control. He was addicted to hard drugs and was eventually incarcerated for armed robbery. Three years ago, an assessment confirmed that Ricky has ADHD. The di...

Sep 27, 202437 minSeason 2Ep. 8

Episode 17: Autism - inside the non-speaking world

It’s very difficult to get by in society when you don’t use words to communicate. Non-speaking autistic people tend to be invisible, unless they are ‘causing a problem’. Olympic rower Eric Murray is father to 12 year-old Zac, who is autistic and ADHD. He talks to Sonia Gray about the challenges, the joys and the desperate need for support and understanding. Guests: Eric Murray Anna Middleton - Senior Behaviour Specialist - Explore Services Resources: Autism NZ https://autismnz.org.nz Instagram -...

Sep 13, 202432 minSeason 2Ep. 7

Episode 16: Autism - Removing the Mask

Many autistic people have spent their lives masking, but it’s an exhausting and inauthentic way to live. Now, as understanding around neurodivergence grows, many autistics are choosing to ‘unmask’ and embrace their differences. Autistic comedian Abby Howells has found success as her authentic, ‘unmasked’ self on stage. The things she used to hate about herself are now working for her. And she wants to encourage other autistic people to lean into who they truly are. Guests: Abby Howells Instagram...

Sep 06, 202436 minSeason 2Ep. 6

Episode 15: Dyslexia - A 'specialisation', not a disorder

In this episode Sonia Gray finds out how vital people with dyslexia are to the survival of the human race - they're the explorers, creative thinkers and problem solvers. She talks to poet and playwright, Dominic Hoey, who has written award-winning books, despite his reading challenges. And dyslexic researcher and champion, Dr Ruth Gibbons, talks about the importance of movement for dyslexics. GUESTS: Dr Ruth Gibbons - Massey University Social Anthropology lecturer Dominic Hoey - Writer Oliver an...

Aug 30, 202432 minSeason 2Ep. 5

Episode 14: Dyslexia - Are we getting it all wrong?

Dyslexia has long been thought of as that thing that makes it hard to read - and people are often made to feel dumb because of it. But we're learning more and more that reading and writing isn't really an issue. In fact some dyslexics read brilliantly - before they even start school - it's just once they're in the classroom they're lost and left behind in a curriculum that doesn't work for them. In this episode Sonia Gray finds out about how schools are failing our dyslexic kids, and how the tra...

Aug 23, 202435 minSeason 2Ep. 4

Season 2 Update

No Such Thing as Normal is taking a short break, but Season 2 will return from August 24th. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aug 01, 20241 min

Episode 13: AuDHD - When Autism meets ADHD

WARNING: This episode does contain explicit language Autism and ADHD were always thought of as mutually exclusive conditions, but in recent years it’s become possible to get a diagnosis of both. Now, more and more people are recognising they have traits of both autism and ADHD, commonly known as ‘AuDHD’. But because of the opposing nature of these neurotypes, ‘AuDHD’ can feel like an internal ‘tug-of war’. In this episode Sonia Gray speaks to Rich Rowley and Annabelle March, who describe their l...

Jul 19, 202431 minSeason 2Ep. 3

Episode 12: Adult ADHD - Is it more than just always losing your keys?

WARNING: This episode does contain explicit language There’s been a sharp rise in the number of adults seeking ADHD assessments, and for many a diagnosis can be the answer to a lifetime of struggle. Musician Anika Moa was diagnosed with ADHD a few years ago. She tells Sonia Gray about the mental health battles she’s endured, and the positive changes a diagnosis has made to her life. And ADHD coach, Alex Campbell says that ADHD is about much more than focus and attention. He explains how Executiv...

Jul 12, 202434 minSeason 2Ep. 2

Episode 11: Sensory Challenges - when you feel too much

The whirr of an air conditioner; the feeling of socks on your feet; the sound of other people breathing: Sensory challenges are arbitrary, but they can cause acute distress. In this episode, host Sonia Gray talks to three guests who experience the world in BOLD And Sensory Integration Specialist, Elen Nathan, unpacks what’s happening in the eight sensory systems, and how we can best support those who have sensory sensitivities. She also explains why chicken nuggets are the one food most kids can...

Jul 05, 202438 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Trailer - Season 2 coming soon!

Season Two of the award-winning No Such Thing as Normal returns from July 6th across NZ Herald, iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 03, 20241 min

Episode 10: A Broader Definition of Normal

OCD is largely thought of as an aversion to germs and excessive hand washing, but it’s far more complicated than that. Obsessive thoughts can be around almost anything, and the compulsive behaviour that accompanies it can be debilitating for the individual and their whānau. Up to 80 000 New Zealanders live with OCD but less than 10% have sought treatment. In this final episode of the series, Sonia talks to 17-year-old Poppy, who gives a brave insight into her OCD. And we hear from some of the ma...

Aug 11, 202338 minSeason 1Ep. 10

Episode 9: Rethinking Dyslexia

Dyslexia is still thought of a problem with reading and writing but that’s just a small part of the picture; those who are dyslexic experience the world in a completely different way. This episode looks at some of the lesser-known dyslexic characteristics, the best ways to support dyslexic learners and we look at how ‘shame’ is such a huge issue for those who learn differently. Documentary: Unlocking Potential Guests: Kimberley Crossman Dr Ruth Gibbons www.ruth-gibbons.com Vanessa Victor Remarka...

Aug 04, 202336 minSeason 1Ep. 9

Episode 8: The Mechanics of a Meltdown

Neurodivergent people respond to the environment in unique ways. Occasionally, if their nervous systems are overwhelmed, the body responds by going into a meltdown. Sensory overload, communication challenges and sensitivity to demands can all contribute to this temporary loss of control of behaviour. We’re often quick to judge the behaviour we’re seeing, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. In this episode Sonia talks to a dad who has radically changed his parenting style to support his ADHD...

Jul 28, 202331 minSeason 1Ep. 8

Episode 7: How ADHD hides in women and girls

Although we think of ADHD as being a mostly male condition, it is just as prevalent in females. However, the diagnosis rates tell a different story - females are less than half as likely to be identified as having this neurological condition. Women tend to be better at suppressing and internalising their emotions. But things like Rejection Sensitivity Disorder, intolerance to boredom, poor executive function and time blindness are very real, and they can significantly impact an individual’s qual...

Jul 21, 202333 minSeason 1Ep. 7

Episode 6: Education (Part 2)

In this episode we continue looking at whether our education system is meeting the needs of neurodivergent children. We ask: What are the supports and accommodations available? Do you need an official diagnosis of dyslexia to qualify for a reader/writer? And why are stand downs and exclusions so common for kids who are autistic or ADHD? Facebook: Kids Wired Differently Guests: Rachel King and Theo Pippa Biggs Include Me - Specialist Education Services Tom Little Pukare Cards Anna Coleman Helen M...

Jul 14, 202333 minSeason 1Ep. 6

Episode 5: Education (Part 1)

In Aotearoa, we pride ourselves on our inclusive education system. But is that really the experience for kids who are Autistic, ADHD, Dyslexic or Gifted? Over two episodes we ask: Is our education system really meeting the needs of neurodivergent children, their families and the teachers that support them? Sonia talks to students, parents and specialist teachers about their experiences in the education system, and what they think works best for children who learn differently. Facebook: Kids Wire...

Jul 07, 202325 minSeason 1Ep. 5

Episode 4: Beyond the Diagnosis

There is growing awareness and acceptance of neurodivergent profiles like ADHD, autism and dyslexia. But even with a diagnosis, accommodations and support, the world can be an unfriendly place for people whose brains are wired differently. Sonia chats to her guests about the importance of belonging, what ‘bad behaviour’ is really telling us and asks, “does ‘normal’ really exist?” Guests: Jock Matthews Rojolie Clinic Sue Haldane Mind Over Manner Raewyn Heays ADHD NZ Jane Yee Joey Kimi and Ihaka R...

Jun 30, 202324 minSeason 1Ep. 4

Episode 3: Diagnosis.... Or Discovery?

Getting a diagnosis is complicated, and not just because of the long waiting lists. There is so much to consider: Do you want your child – or yourself - to have a label? How will friends and family members react? Is the diagnosis the right one? The process is made more difficult because it’s not an exact science - there is no blood test or scan for ADHD, autism, dyslexia, or any of the other diagnoses. In this episode, Sonia talks to experts who carry out assessments for the various conditions. ...

Jun 23, 202328 minSeason 1Ep. 3

Episode 2: Navigating the System

Trying to navigate the health and education systems is one of the biggest challenges for parents of neurodivergent kids. Where do you start? And where do you go next? We know that early intervention, particularly for Autism and Dyslexia, gives the best chance of a positive outcome. But getting the right support isn’t easy - particularly as parents often don’t know what they are looking for. Sonia chats to her guests about the importance of early intervention, the need for a clear roadmap and how...

Jun 16, 202328 minSeason 1Ep. 2

Episode 1: Different not Disordered

There are 8 billion brains in the world...and they are 8 billion unique brains. We’re all different. So why are neurodivergent conditions (like Autism, ADHD, Dyslexia and Dyspraxia) referred to as disorders? Are they really disorders? Or just different variations of normal? Sonia chats to her guests about the value of neurodiversity, the strengths of unique brains and the challenge of trying to fit into a society that just isn’t built for you. Guests: Dani Rich Rowley brainbadge.org Anton Ashcro...

Jun 09, 202328 minSeason 1Ep. 1

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May 31, 20231 min
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